I believe we should NOT make it a felony for the undocumented workers already in America, especially for the families who have been here for so many years. This might spark a backlash, a revolution of sorts, to say the least. But for once, I think bush is right: a guest worker program would be a gentler approach and also ease the "sneaking across the border" crimes which often end in bloodshed and tragedy. I'm not saying Bush is doing this for the right reasons; I still believe his motives are to help corporations get cheap labor. but at least I agree with his softer approach. Frist is a self-serving person who has an eye on the presidency and is also fear-based, FF.
Another view: Clif says to be wary of games the right are trying to play with imigration. Seems the newly found Immigration problem is another diversion tactic to bend attention from the Iraqi fiasco and the CENSURE issue and the DUBAI PORTS issue.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Immigration_memo_intended_for_Rove_arrives_on_Demo_0919.html
Pay special attention to the passage "Liberals can easily and accurately be painted as opposing enforcement."
What do you think? Open thread.
From the L.A. Times today: Did you hear about the FBI spying on "peace, environmental and anti-war groups? They actually have files on "people who serve vegetarian meals to the homeless." They can't find Osama Bin Laden, but God forbid you care about the homeless, care about the land - you are a dangerous traitor to the pro-war movement. When did goodness become so perverted? When did it all turn around? Why is it patriotic to support death and destruction? We need separation of church and state. No good Christian could align himself with the party in power of today. I may regret these words, but I'm seeing a lot of greed, even in "friends" of mine. You know who you are.
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Ms. Cornell agrees with Dubya? I'm afraid this can only mean one thing:
ReplyDeleteOne of the seven signs of the Apocalypse...Old Testament, real wrath-of-God-type stuff...fire and brimstone coming down from the skies...rivers and seas boiling...40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanos...the dead rising from the grave...human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!
It could even be as bad as having hillary as the next president.
/first! oh y'all thought I said "Frist"
It's true. I see a bad moon rising...and it has nothing to do with Worf this time.
ReplyDeleteyou forgot locusts FF, ok I think it would make me queasy to say I agree with Bush, so i'll say I agree with Lydia.
ReplyDeleteI think it would be a mistake to make it a felony for illegal immigrants to be in this country, now having said that I also agree with Lydia that the Administration has an agenda with this and that they are pandering to big business that wants cheap labor.No, I dont think congress will pass a law that makes it a felony to be in America as an Immigrant, what I can see particularly if we have a Republican Majority in congress is that they use it as a source of revenue to nickel and dime the poor so they wont have to raise taxes. I could see congress making illigeal immigrants pay a fine when they are caught as well as having to pay fees to remain in the country for a specific amount of time at which point they either have to leave or pay another fee to become USA citizens, kind of like the law requiring all citizens to have passports to cross the border, so a poor family with 7 children is required to pay over $1000 if they want to take their kids to Mexico for the day.
The Republicans are trying to pull every scam in the book to raise money so they wont have to give back their big tax break to the rich, they are going into bars and arresting people for being intoxicated to putting cameras on traffic lights to bring in revenue through mass ticketing, behold Big Brother.
Now I know FF is going to jump all over me on this saying i'm a tax and spend liberal, which I am not, however if its a choice between raising taxes and pulling scams to bring in money then I say raise taxes. BTW before you guys cry about raising taxes think how much we are spending on liberating and installing democracy in Iraq, now that sounds all nice and flowery, but I always believed you should clean up your own backyard before you worry about cleaning up someone else's backyard, just like you should always pay your mortgage before taking a European vacation.In actuality Iraq isnt even a European vacation, its a disaster our corrupt leaders lied us into.
Mike those are very wise and insightful statements.
ReplyDeleteFF - what do you think of making it a felony for illegal immigrants to be in this country?
Another thing that came to mind is they threw the hard line charge the immigrants with a felony out there so Bush and the republicans can look reasonable and capture the latino vote for the coming elections in November and in 2008.
ReplyDeleteFF, I don't believe in the Apocalypse.
ReplyDeleteWhats your position then Voltaire???
ReplyDeleteAre you saying it should be a felony or just throwing out points to consider???
Sounds like your saying we need to secure our borders better Voltaire and that I can agree with.
ReplyDeleteVoltaire said "All those with no family or children here should be rounded up and deported immediately.
ReplyDeleteThose with family and/or children should be taken on a case by case basis....have they committed any OTHER crimes?...have they benefited our society?....have they learned our language?...are they employed?...etc. "
did Bush's proposal have similar conditions in it, I really didnt listen to it.
Voltaire said "Basically, are we better off with them or without them? Have they contributed to our system, or are they a drag on it?"
ReplyDeletewhat do you think?, I think I would have to do more research before I could form an educated opinion on that, and even then situational factors as you said would most likely come into play.
I have to say I am interested to hear FF response to this also, he is such an anti-regulation pro market guy i;m curious as to how he will respond to this.
ReplyDeleteI've been saying we have to secure our borders and ports first for months, instead of liberating other countries or installing democracy we need to clean up our own backyard and secure our borders, our funds arent limitless and we need to decide how best to spend it.
ReplyDeleteFF - what do you think of making it a felony for illegal immigrants to be in this country?
ReplyDelete-Ms. Cornell
I admit I have not looked into this yet, but it does not sound good. We need secure borders and if someone comes here illegally, they need to be sent back, immediately. I don't really get the felony charge; what would this mean if the illegal is deported anyway? Would the employer also be guilty of aiding and abetting a felon?
Now some folks have been here for many years and it would seem cruel to uproot them at this point. We would basically be penalizing them for our failure to not have been more vigilant earlier.
I admit I have hired many illegal immigrants in front of Cosco to help me put in my front yard a couple years ago. I can tell you that they think working for minimum wage is a joke; I ended up paying them about twice that which was about $12/hour plus lunch and generous tips. (Why did I have to pay them more than minimum wage... anyone... anyone... Bueller?)
Also appearances can be deceiving: One little scrawny guy who jumped in my truck -- I didn't really want to hire him, but he turned out to be the best worker I have ever met. I worked along side of them for a couple months and found that most of them work very hard and are good, decent people who just can't speak English. I did manage to pick up a few Spanish cuss words tho'.
Sunday I took my nephew to Knott's Berry Farm, which isn't cheap, and the majority of the folks there appeared to be Hispanic. So I think they are doing pretty well even in an area which has one of the highest costs of living of anywhere in the country. But I digress.
I think the borders should be made air tight; who wants to be responsible for allowing the next terrorist attack just to win the Hispanic vote? Folks who have been in the U.S. for two or more years should be allowed to stay. Less than two years, or if they have committed any crimes, send them back immediately. However, at this point I believe I would oppose any felony legislation.
Good post Ff, i'm with you on that one!!!
ReplyDeleteFF, I don't believe in the Apocalypse.
ReplyDelete-Ms. Cornell
Hmm. Well do you believe in the rapture?
Voltaire said "They heard we're upset about the situation are are simply putting on a show about how concerned they are (suddenly)"
ReplyDeleteI think you and FF hit the nail on the head, they are trying to appease the base that they are taking action and trying to court the spanish/latino vote by not taking the felony/hardline route.
Mikey,how ya doin there tinkerbell? What silly rant are you off on tonight?
ReplyDeleteVOLTAIRE I actually agree with you on this statement of yours: Why do we need NEW laws? All they have to do is actually ENFORCE the ones already on the books. (and if they're not enforcing those, who thinks they'll actually enforce these new ones?)
ReplyDeleteHere's the reason, as Mike said: CHEAP LABOR for corporations to cut costs. Same as outsourcing. It hurts the American worker and taxpayer, but it benefits the wealthy to have very cheap labor.
By the way that audio clip is pretty scary, Voltaire.
And I agree we need to secure out borders. But not build a fence. My girlfriend just got back from Israel and said she feels safer there than here, because they are very secure on the border issue. And they would never have such a lax port system.
But essentially, the Hispanics are wonderful, hard-working people. And we are all one human race. I wish we'd stop looking at each other as the enemy.
Voltaire said "Believe me, Specter and McCain are NOT appealing to the base by NOT taking the hardline.
ReplyDeleteThey're trying to appeal to you...
The Republican base would NEVER support either of them. They've stabbed us in the back too many times.
The hardcore people are mostly the ones who vote in primaries. That's why McCain will never be on the Republican ticket."
McCaine has been licking Bush's boots every chance he gets though, i'll bet thats HIS intention, to get the support of the republican base.
The rapture -- that version that came into vogue with the mindless, sophomoric and extremely elitist LEFT BEHIND books -- is a heinous lie.
ReplyDeleteTim LaHaye and Jenkins should be ashamed of themselves for promoting this pre-tribulation porn. And furthermore, the "rapture" is a 19th century invention by a certain man. All of Revelation must be taken spiritually and there is something else I must tell you, but you're not ready for it. So I'll wait.
All of Revelation must be taken spiritually and there is something else I must tell you, but you're not ready for it. So I'll wait.
ReplyDelete-Ms. Cornell
You're right. My comment was a lame attempt at double entendre; wasn't trying to get heavy.
Mike, McCain is going for the machine that was put together for Bush to run, McCain is attempting to get the big Bush contributors called pioneers rangers and super rangers who collected contributions and bundled them into 100,000.00 and 250,000.00 amounts for Bush's run. McCain wants to be president so bad he will become that which he said he deplored and allow the people who called his adopted daughter from bangledesh, an illegitimate mixed race child he fathered. A lot of people like me who would have supported McCain in 2000 want nothing to do with the John McCain that is evolving to run in 2008. He appears to be trying to morph into bush lite, so as to get Bush's nod for the nomination. I guess he thinks that will be valuable in the primaries but it could be the kiss of death in the general election.
ReplyDeleteSorry FF, that went right by me. Sometimes I am not so quick.
ReplyDeleteClif said "Mike, McCain is going for the machine that was put together for Bush to run, McCain is attempting to get the big Bush contributors called pioneers rangers and super rangers who collected contributions and bundled them into 100,000.00 and 250,000.00 amounts for Bush's run. McCain wants to be president so bad he will become that which he said he deplored and allow the people who called his adopted daughter from bangledesh, an illegitimate mixed race child he fathered. A lot of people like me who would have supported McCain in 2000 want nothing to do with the John McCain that is evolving to run in 2008. He appears to be trying to morph into bush lite, so as to get Bush's nod for the nomination. I guess he thinks that will be valuable in the primaries but it could be the kiss of death in the general election."
ReplyDeleteWhat your saying seems to make alot of sense Clif, i've always thought of McCaine as a decent guy for a republican, but his constantly licking Bush's boots has lost me and been a big turn off, I wonder if the rest of the nation sees this as well.
Even Kevin Phillips in the book reveiw he did with Grover Norquist states he wants the "old" McCain not the new hard right bush follower.(Philips has very little good to say about either bush or his daddy)
ReplyDeleteMike and Lydia read this memo about the games the right are trying to play with imigration pay special attention to the passage"Liberals can easily and accurately be painted as opposing enforcement."
ReplyDeletehttp://rawstory.com/news/2005/Immigration_memo_intended_for_Rove_arrives_on_Demo_0919.html
in case the link breaks...
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Immigration
_memo_intended_for_Rove_arrives_on_Demo_0919.html
Seems the newly found Immigration problem is another diversion tactic to bensd attention from the Iraqi fiasco....
CLIF said: Seems the newly found Immigration problem is another diversion tactic to bensd attention from the Iraqi fiasco....
ReplyDeleteYes, I think you're right.
And MIKE said something like this earlier.
I'm going to post this on the blog
Of course it makes sense.
Lydia check this out also;
ReplyDelete10-Year U.S. Strategic Plan For Detention Camps Revives Proposals From Oliver North
The Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Brown and Root) announced on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps. Two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006). This $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided only $90 million for the same purpose.
Both the contract and the budget allocation are in partial fulfillment of an ambitious 10-year Homeland Security strategic plan, code-named ENDGAME, authorized in 2003. According to a 49-page Homeland Security document on the plan, ENDGAME expands "a mission first articulated in the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798." Its goal is the capability to "remove all removable aliens," including "illegal economic migrants, aliens who have committed criminal acts, asylum-seekers (required to be retained by law) or potential terrorists."
There is no question that the Bush administration is under considerable political pressure to increase the detentions of illegal immigrants, especially from across the Mexican border. Confrontations along the border are increasingly violent, often involving the drug traffic.
But the problem of illegal immigration cannot be separated from other Bush administration policies: principally the retreat from traditional American programs designed to combat poverty in Latin America. In Florida last week, Democratic Party leader Howard Dean attacked the new federal budget for its almost 30 percent cut in development aid to Latin America and the Caribbean.
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=9c2d6a5e75201d7e3936ddc65cdd56a9
in case the link breaks;
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/
view_article.html?article_id=
9c2d6a5e75201d7e3936ddc65cdd56a9
Clif -- Oh my god, this makes me sick.Yes I heard about this and will look into your articles. but how does this help Bush's plan to aid corporations in cheap labor? I'm confused.
ReplyDeleteForgot to post an item on Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia giving the finger to his critics outside of church and saying "That's Sicilian..." and then asking the Boston paper not to print what he did. Then TP had a report that he was in Switzerland giving a speech, stating that he thinks people in Gitmo do not deserve fair trials -- because this is war and these are enemy combatants. Whether or not this is true, why is he speaking out on an issue that may come before the courts. Shouldn't he recuse himself?
I'm going to bed and will be at this in the morning while finishing my book FINALLY!!
Love and God Bless America!!
Army regulation AR210-35 civilian inmate labor program where the US military gets "free" labor, the regulation states implicitly that the military does not pay for labor;
ReplyDeleteb. Nominal costs. The program must be without direct labor cost (for inmate labor itself) or expense to the
4 AR 210–35 • 14 January 2005
Department of the Army except for nominal costs for equipment, materials, and supplies used in inmate labor details,
program administration, telephone calls to corrections facilities, lunch time meals, transporting inmates to and from
corrections facilities, and other similar costs addressed in paragraph 4–3, below. Inmates participating in the program
will not be recompensed from Department of Army appropriated or nonappropriated funds.
(1) Inmates are not Department of the Army employees and are not regarded as such.
right out of the regulation...
Free Labor by just arresting those you disagree with?
My friend, Maria, and her family immigrated to America from Mexico legally. To be legal they get to pay $3,000 per month (per adult - if I'm not mistaken) until their citizenship is finalized. Luckily for her and her family they have started a very successful restaurant here in the States, so they are able to afford the expensive monthly fees.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I ask - where is the average emigrant going to come up with that kind of money? And yet, people wonder why there are so many of them here illegally. If it were more affordable for them to go through the legal process I'm sure we wouldn't have such a problem of having a huge amount of people here illegally. However, here's a thought to ponder...
By making it so expensive for them to emigrate legally, maybe the government knows they will come here as illegally and therefore be willing to take ANY job they can get such as day laborers, etc. and with this new law that Bush is talking about - it would make it legal for them to pretty much work anywhere for crappy pay - right? This of course would save the corporations a lot because of the tax breaks and new found cheap labor. You definitely would still have the rich becoming richer and the poor remaining poor from the crappy pay.
OR How about the "Gangs of New York" theory:
What if a new law goes into effect a little while down the road that lets them gain instant citizenship...imagine how many people would be here in a flash only to find - at one table, they sign one paper basically stating: "Welcome to America - you are now a citizen of the USA," and then they get to the next table which is a mandatory enlistment to go serve in Iraq! Well, hey that's one way to build up the US troops. I'm not saying that's my idea - I'm saying that's what happened in that movie "The Gangs of New York." I can't remember the politician's name in this horribly sad blood-shedding movie but one of his ideas was to let the emigrants receive citizenship when they came to our country and not only would he win their votes, but he acquired instant soldiers out of the men too!
René
Is Karl Rove setting up Libby or does he have Cheney's office in his sights in order to place Bush's "replacement" in line?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Roves_cooperation_seen_to_advance_inquiry_0327.html
in case link breaks
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Roves_
cooperation_seen_to_advance_inquiry_0327.html
Karl Rove, Deputy White House Chief of Staff and special adviser to President George W. Bush, has recently been providing information to special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald in the ongoing CIA leak investigation, sources close to the investigation say.
According to several Pentagon sources close to Rove and others familiar with the inquiry, Bush's senior adviser tipped off Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to information that led to the recent "discovery" of 250 pages of missing email from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.
AND HERE;
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/
Beneath the Surface on Plame Investigation: Rove and Libby in Deadly Dog Fight
According to several Pentagon sources close to Rove and others familiar with the inquiry, Bush's senior adviser tipped off Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to information that led to the recent "discovery" of 250 pages of missing email from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.
Rove has been in the crosshairs of Fitzgerald's investigation into the outing of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson for what some believe to be retaliation against her husband, former U.S. Ambassador to Gabon, Joseph Wilson. Wilson had been an ardent critic of pre-war Iraq intelligence.
While these sources did not provide any details regarding what type of arrangements Rove's attorney Robert Luskin may have made with the special prosecutor's office, if any, they were able to provide some information regarding what Rove imparted to Fitzgerald's team. The individuals declined to go on the record out of concern for their jobs.
According to one source close to the case, Rove is providing information on deleted emails, erased hard drives and other types of obstruction by staff and other officials in the Vice President's office. Pentagon sources close to Rove confirmed this account.
None would name the staffers and/or officials whom Rove is providing information about. They did, however, explain that the White House computer system has "real time backup" servers and that while emails were deleted from computers, they were still retrievable from the backup system. By providing the dates and recipient information of the deleted emails, sources say, Rove was able to chart a path for Fitzgerald directly into the office of the Vice President.
Could make for an interesting summer if Rove is trying to get Cheney removed..........
Clif said "Mike and Lydia read this memo about the games the right are trying to play with imigration pay special attention to the passage"Liberals can easily and accurately be painted as opposing enforcement."
ReplyDeleteClif and Lydia, I just read that article, what i'm wondering is why Bush who staked his entire presidency on "KEEPING US SAFE" and fighting terrorists would suddenly take such a lax position on nation security, first he did it with our ports and now with our borders he almost appears to be saying its ok to sneak over to the US as an Illegal alien, i'm not sure if he differentiated between the ones that have been here working for years and the ones that just entered our country, but regardless I have not heard him say anything about securing our borders.
Do you guys think because he is a lame duck president he is either trying to lure the liberals into siding with him so other republicans can paint them as weak on national security and securing our borders. Or do you think he is trying to pass the torch of being pro national security and being tough on terrorism to another republican who might run for president in 2008, or am I just reading too much into this and giving him too much credit for actually thinking and having a coherent plan.
Clif said "Army regulation AR210-35 civilian inmate labor program where the US military gets "free" labor, the regulation states implicitly that the military does not pay for labor;
ReplyDeleteb. Nominal costs. The program must be without direct labor cost (for inmate labor itself) or expense to the
4 AR 210–35 • 14 January 2005
Department of the Army except for nominal costs for equipment, materials, and supplies used in inmate labor details,
program administration, telephone calls to corrections facilities, lunch time meals, transporting inmates to and from
corrections facilities, and other similar costs addressed in paragraph 4–3, below. Inmates participating in the program
will not be recompensed from Department of Army appropriated or nonappropriated funds.
(1) Inmates are not Department of the Army employees and are not regarded as such.
right out of the regulation..."
These kind of regulations I find extremely ominous due to the fact that they are so open to interpretation, some of them can be used to imprison people for up to 20 years, i'll post a copy of a USC statute that Worf posted Saturday.
Worf said "TITLE 18 PART I CHAPTER 115-2384
ReplyDeleteRelease date: 2005-08-03
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States,,,,,they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both."
This is the part that worries me the most, they could say protestestors were trying to prevent delay or hinder the execution of law (spying, war, etc... take your pick) and throw the person in jail for 20 years,
Clif said "Is Karl Rove setting up Libby or does he have Cheney's office in his sights in order to place Bush's "replacement" in line?"
ReplyDeleteClif, if Cheney is impeached is there an order of succession for Vice President or can Bush appoint anyone he wants, just wondering if we could be seeing Rove or Frist as Vice President.
Hu Hu Hu
ReplyDeleteleaves me feeling secure
Wufuss and Mikey, how on earth do you two sleep with all this intrigue going on around you?What is this country coming to? Hey, did you guys see Sean Hannity slap the crap out of Alec Baldwin and make him cry this weekend? Old Alec had the tipical liberal reponse to a couple tough questions,call the questioner names than walk out.No wonder Kim Bassinger left that wuss and slapped a restraining order on him.
ReplyDeleteTalk about wire taps. A court today found "Bagdad" Jim McDermott quilty of giving a recored cell phone call to the NYT,and awarded $700,000 to John Boehner.Bend over and grab your ankles Jim.
ReplyDeleteAnd lastly,you guys see the market is up again,this friggin economy is booming.If a person cant make money in this enviorment they've got to be a monkey.
ReplyDeleteHey wufuss,you and Baldwin go to that fantasy dojo?
ReplyDeleteWufuss,what do you really know? Dont be so frustrated,its not healthy.
ReplyDeleteYou and Mikey just preach back and forth to your own little short sided group.Check out what liberalism has gotten France,they've got the water cannons out today.Oh yea,by the way thier unemployment rate is over 10%.
ReplyDeleteanin said "You and Mikey just preach back and forth to your own little short sided group.Check out what liberalism has gotten France,they've got the water cannons out today.Oh yea,by the way thier unemployment rate is over 10%."
ReplyDeleteYeah a few more years of you clows in office and our unemployment will be up there also, you guys will out source anything to make a buck, all you guys do is think short term whats best for you.
See that numnutz you prove my point,When confronted by something outside this little "Lydia" safety net you've got nothing but name calling.The liberal way.
ReplyDeleteyou clowns must really be desperate lately thats why pathetic fools like you are coming out of the woodwork to deflect the real issues, pretty soon you might be one of those collecting unemployment anonyfool
ReplyDeleteMikey,do you use a lot of drugs? How in gods name do you think up this nonsense?
ReplyDeleteAnd what pray tell are "the real issues"?
ReplyDeleteI'm not the troll hanging out in right wing blog adding nothing of value to the discussion, just insults and derogatory remarks, btw, you think the market and the economy are so good, see how they are doing a year from now, because i'm willing to bet fools like you wont be happy campers.
ReplyDeleteYou guys just spout off a bunch of standard lines back and forth to each other but never have an idea.
ReplyDeleteOh yea,I forgot, impeace Bush,you dopes did have that grand idea.
ReplyDeleteMike,why dont you try a right wing blog once in a while,you may learn something.If you're scared just say you're scared.
ReplyDeleteAnon said "Mike,why dont you try a right wing blog once in a while,you may learn something.If you're scared just say you're scared"
ReplyDeletebecause I have no desire to listen to any more of your lies and poisonous rhetoric than I have to, you guys turn my stomach, your a disease.
Calm down Mikey,but you have to agree quite a few of our ideas work,lower taxes,lower capital gains tax,no death tax,dont kill unborn babies,kill convicted murderers,tough on crime,prayer in school, now theres a few.What are some of yours?
ReplyDeleteAnon said "Calm down Mikey,but you have to agree quite a few of our ideas work,lower taxes,lower capital gains tax,no death tax,dont kill unborn babies,kill convicted murderers,tough on crime,prayer in school, now theres a few.What are some of yours?
ReplyDelete11:36 AM"
How about spending our limited resources domestically like for improved education or taking care of our veterans or securing our borders and ports, or on encouraging company's not to move overseas so our country's standard of living declines and we lose jobs, instead of on killing people halfway around the world to make money on oil infra structure and defending the petro dollar. How about on paying down the deficit to keep interest rates low and keep the economy growing like Clinton and Rubin did, they raised taxes just enough to balance the budget and be fiscally responsible and it ushered in the biggest economic boom since the 1920's.how about protecting our constitutional rights and personal freedoms instead of taking them away from us in the name of "the public good" or "Keeping us safe"
It figures you guys would be for prayer in schools you dont think there should be a seperation between church and state, to you guys the Constitution is an annoying piece of paper thats gets in your way, you guys are working on repealing the Bill of rights from freedom of speech to the right to gather to protest our government to Bush's illegal spy program, you guys are just working your way up to make our Constitutional Rights null and void and turn America into a police state.
Mikey,here's a news flash,interest rates are the lowest they've been in over 20 years.You do realize when Clinton left office we were in a recession due to the burst on the internet bubble.As for outsourcing,business 101,the guy that makes his product the best
ReplyDelete,the fastest with the lowest cost will win,that my pal is capitalism.Did you know that Washington D.C. spends $16,000 per student per year and only 27% of 8th grade students can read at an 8th grade level.We should throw more money at that system,why not a voucher system? Noooooooo the teachers union would'nt want that,they mght be held accountable for thier work.
Typical,is that really the best you've got wufuss/dufuss?
ReplyDeleteNews flash anon, despite what Cheney says large deficits drive up interest rates, see foreign countrys dont just GIVE US money out of the goodness of their hearts, if they think the money will be paid pack with depreciated dollars or defaulted on they will start diversifying out of bonds and other dollar denominated assets which will cause inflation to rise, which will in turn cause interest rates to rise. There's no free ride, you guys dont want to raise taxes on the rich, but the alternative is higher interest rates, higher inflation and higher unemployment. You guys want to have your cake and eat it to but your going to run our economy into the ground with your supply side BS, even Reagan and Bush Senior admited it was BS, backtracked and did the fiscally responsible thing by raising taxes enough to keep interst rates and inflation low.
ReplyDeleteHe'll be in the unemployment line soon just like the people he could care less about.
ReplyDeleteGlobal Thermal Nuclear War,lions and tigers and bears oh my,loins and tigers and bears oh my.Wufuss/dufuss you poor soul,you really cant be that disillusioned.
ReplyDeleteWufuss,you just continue to make my original point,all you can do is what every other liberal does when they run out of ammo,they call people names.Its been going on for years and cost you guys numerous elections.But, you never get it.
ReplyDeleteWufuss,its time for you to go to your happy place for a whils.
ReplyDeleteWhat I want to know is how our government can justify having liberal Blogs and peace/anti war groups monitored, but yet they dont have money to take care of our veterans during a time "WAR", supply our soldiers with proper equipment to keep them safe orsecure our borders or ports. Answer me that one smart guy??
ReplyDeleteOh yeah you cant or you wouldnt have a job right? Better go report back to Karl so he can think up an answer for you.
Yeah worf, they are making a lot of noise as the SS Bush is sinking though.
ReplyDeleteBTW did you happen to see what Cliff posted this morning, you think Cheney is going down on this one??
Hu Hu Huh
ReplyDeleteWoerf decides group issues by hsisssself..
awwww so democra......
Any-mouse said,
ReplyDeleteCalm down Mikey,but you have to agree quite a few of our ideas work,lower taxes,
Yes......Resulting in 8.2 trillion in federal debt real genius move there numb nuts......
lower capital gains tax,
Yes.....3,000,000,000 to Bill Gates with no tax required another genius move
no death tax,
BOZO....The guy in the casket is not paying tax but the ones around it who have not paid tax on INCOME they are about to receive are it is actually called the inheritance tax and is legitimate.
dont kill unborn babies,
Personally I prefer no abortions but since it is not MY body I don't feel I have the right to control another's body like a Nazi like you do.....
kill convicted murderers,
"Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.... and judge not lest ye be judged"
tough on crime,
Unless they worked in The Reagan administration giving arms to the Iranians or bilked people out of money in a savings and loan like Neil Bush, or bilked Americans like the K street project or their worked with bush until they get caught and HE can't remember them...must of been the cocaine he took so much of in the 70's
prayer in school,
Separation of church and state....
Thomas Jefferson:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
Thomas Jefferson again...
Christianity…(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. …Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus.
now theres a few.What are some of yours?
Yo Junior put down the RNC masturbation guide and read this....Actually care for the people over the corporations, require a living wage, enforce the laws like mine safety and fraud laws being violated in Iraq and have the defense department account for the over 3 trillion dollars Rumsfeld announced was not accounted for, require a medical system that does not eat over 30% in administrative fees and gives less treatment to patients each year, not raise the frees co-pays and outright costs to the troops as they are actually in the combat zone....start there....
See if we had some sort of "national" health care system where GM and Ford were not required to uphold the contractual agreements they would not be losing money each year on the smaller cars which they can not compete with and are going to drive them bankrupt, also if Ronald Reagan and George Bush senior had not shoved their heads up their collective asses when the energy crisis was evident in the early 80's they might have followed what Brazil did where the government of Brazil invested in an alternate energy source which is allowing them to end oil imports at the same time have a GROWING manufacturing base and industrial development not a financial based economy which can collapses rather quickly (see 1929) where even them the federal government was not so far in debt that if FORIEGN governments and banks decide not to loan the money the US federal government would have to enact massive cuts in programs which would add to the extreme strains on the economy. Also the Brazilians are not attempting to create friendly governments in the middle east and the Terrorists are not attacking Brazil....seems like our addiction to oil and the war and the terrorists are really connected which would mean that we face many more problems as the availability falls prices rise and military demands to guarantee supply expand.
All right,the world is once again safe...Ta Da G.I. Joe is on the scene.Him,mighty mouse and deputy dog.
ReplyDeleteFunny you get bitsh slapped about your list of loser ideas you posted and all you can do is make a three year old insult, go back to the RNC masturbation guide you do better here and at night.....
ReplyDeleteMs Cornell, you say you speak the Love of Christ, but I have to say it doesn't show in your writing. You can dislike Bush and his politics and the Iraq war, but that does'nt give you the right to speak in a hatefull manner, otherwise you then become a hypocrite. As for the teaching of the Rapture all Protestants believe, by knowing the Bible that this event will occur one day, when that is nobody knows.
ReplyDeleteI suggest you re-read your Bible and practice what it preaches, to Love thy enemy, so if Bush is YOUR enemy love him
What's the matter mousey boy can't take the heaty of looking like a moron so you try and change the subject......
ReplyDeleteFurthermore, I've looked at your entire website,and your pics from the '80's, although they maybe beautiful pic's, it further insinuates, a lack of Christ's morals of decency. You say that your children have lost their innocence because of Bush, that is silly, or maybe you think you are the only one with children in this country.I personally dislike Bush and the Iraq war, but that is all I'll say without bashing him. I will speak about him only to the point of his corrupt politics, but not of him personally.
ReplyDeleteChildren too have to learn and grow and understand the tradegy of life, so they are better equipped to stand on their own two feet!..."Grow up a little bit more yourself"
Christ does care about sexual morality, that's why we have the problems we have in this country.
ReplyDeleteIgnorance is Bliss, or in other words what you don't know can't bother you.
Anonymous said "Furthermore, I've looked at your entire website,and your pics from the '80's, although they maybe beautiful pic's, it further insinuates, a lack of Christ's morals of decency. You say that your children have lost their innocence because of Bush, that is silly, or maybe you think you are the only one with children in this country.I personally dislike Bush and the Iraq war, but that is all I'll say without bashing him. I will speak about him only to the point of his corrupt politics, but not of him personally.
ReplyDeleteChildren too have to learn and grow and understand the tradegy of life, so they are better equipped to stand on their own two feet!..."Grow up a little bit more yourself" "
So beuatiful women in bathing suits and fancy dresses goes against Christs morals and decency huh, boy i'd love to see you at the beach, a wedding or fancy ball, i'll bet its a real painful and traumatic experience for you.
funny also how you are talking about Christ AND the trajedy of life, I thought you were an Atheist???
And Lydia I'm sure its always nice to get fan'love mail, but when you are getting hate mail/insults and death threats at the same time, you gotta know you are doing something right.
ReplyDeleteOh my goodness a different anonymous has entered the house of morons.I'm a bit taken aback.
ReplyDeleteHow many wedgie's do you think wufuss/dufuss got in high school? I'd bet a dollar he was the guy who's head got pushed in the toilet bowl by the jocks.He had to be the guy who could'nt climb the rope in gym class.I think that why he has all this suppressed anger.
ReplyDeleteWhere is Clif Klaven? Perhaps out in the backyard with the G.I.Joe dolls again,setting up historical battle scenes.
ReplyDeleteI love it when someone invades your four person circle jerk and pisses on your liberal bullcrap,you idiots go wild.Yet day after day you four fools are here worshiping at the feet of a D list so called actress.
ReplyDeletewho is number 3 and 4
ReplyDeleteDA Commisar warfess
ReplyDeletecommrade we have nominated u for a position as head commisar in this area
remmeber to report all who u suspect of irregularities
if u know what we mean...
Keep up the pressure woerf you'll get em
ReplyDeleteAnonypuss,
ReplyDeleteMay your ears turn into assholes and shit on your shoulders.
/ancient Armenian blessing
Anonypuss,
ReplyDeleteYour girlfriend described your member as freakishly small...still you wouldn't like it on your nose for a wart.
Anonypuss,
ReplyDeleteI heard, your luck with ladies is so bad, if you fell in a barrel of boobs, you would come out sucking your thumb.
Anonypuss,
ReplyDeleteYou're about as useful as a fart in a hurricane.
Anonypuss,
ReplyDeleteYour IQ is so low it could parachute out of a snake's ass and still manage to freefall.
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ReplyDeleteFF two questions, what do you think of the fed persistently ratcheting up short term interest rates despite an inverted yield curve and high oil prices
ReplyDeleteand do you agree with Voltaire that republicans would Never embrace McCaine,or do you think McCaine is the man for you guys in 2008 if not then who???
Aw Mike, I hafta get serious? Okay I haven't studied these areas but these are my impressions:
ReplyDelete1) The new fed chairman raised interest rates and is expected to raise them again. Gold is up, oil is up, unemployment is low, the GDP is expected to expand nicely in 2006, hardly any economist expects a recession despite the inverted yield curve, so I think tightening the money supply is reasonable.
2) I don't know much about McCain, except that he is popular with Democrats. I don't approve of the McCain-Feingold campaign finance act.
Yes Bush really believe in democracy unless he really does not.....
ReplyDeleteShiites Say U.S. Is Pressuring Iraqi Leader to Step Aside
BAGHDAD, Iraq, March 28 — Senior Shiite politicians said today that the American ambassador has told Shiite officials to inform the Iraqi prime minister that President Bush does not want him to remain the country's leader in the next government.
It is the first time the Americans have directly intervened in the furious debate over the country's top job, the politicians said, and it is inflaming tensions between the Americans and some Shiite leaders.
The ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, told the head of the main Shiite political bloc at a meeting last Saturday to pass a "personal message from President Bush" on to the prime minister, Ibrahim al-Jaafari, who the Shiites insist should stay in his post for four more years, said Redha Jowad Taki, a Shiite politician and member of Parliament who was at the meeting.
Ambassador Khalilzad said that President Bush "doesn't want, doesn't support, doesn't accept" Mr. Jaafari to be the next prime minister, according to Mr. Taki, a senior aide to Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, the head of the Shiite bloc. It was the first "clear and direct message" from the Americans on the issue of the candidate for prime minister, Mr. Taki said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/28/international/middleeast/28cnd-iraq.html?_r=1&ei=5094&en=3952503f28f3910a&hp=&ex=1143608400&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage&adxnnlx=1143565080-3HWkChIJ+RB74xn1LFpaeQ&oref=slogin
in case the link breaks;
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/28/
international/middleeast/28cnd-iraq.
html?_r=1&ei=5094&en=3952503f28f3910a&hp
=&ex=1143608400&adxnnl=1&partner=homepage
&adxnnlx=1143565080-3HWkChIJ+RB74xn1LFpaeQ&oref=slogin
Wonder why George W Bush gets any say who is the prime minister in Iraq at all, isn't he an American citizen not an Iraqi citizen?
One United Nations estimate says from 113 million to 200 million women around the world are demographically "missing." Every year, from 1.5 million to 3 million women and girls lose their lives as a result of gender-based violence or neglect…
ReplyDeleteWhat is happening to women and girls in many places across the globe is genocide. All the victims scream their suffering. It is not so much that the world doesn't hear them; it is that fellow human beings choose not to pay attention…
The Islamists are engaged in reviving and spreading a brutal and retrograde body of laws. Wherever the Islamists implement Shariah, or Islamic law, women are hounded from the public arena, denied education and forced into a life of domestic slavery.
Cultural and moral relativists sap our sense of moral outrage by claiming that human rights are a Western invention. Men who abuse women rarely fail to use the vocabulary the relativists have provided them. They claim the right to adhere to an alternative set of values - an "Asian," "African" or "Islamic" approach to human rights.
This mind-set needs to be broken. A culture that carves the genitals of young girls, hobbles their minds and justifies their physical oppression is not equal to a culture that believes women have the same rights as men…
A tribunal such as the court of justice in The Hague should look for the 113 million to 200 million women and girls who are missing.
A serious international effort must urgently be made to precisely register violence against girls and women, country by country.
We need a worldwide campaign to reform cultures that permit this kind of crime. Let's start to name them and shame them.
Women go 'missing' by the millions by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Everyone is watching how “compassionate” progressives in Hollywood ignore brave folks like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and film maker Theo van Gogh. The wisdom of courageous women who stand up to vicious Islamic clerics is ignored. For example, the noble Wafa Sultan who, practically lives in Ms. Cornell’s neighborhood, is not celebrated, but treated like a leper.
Clif thinks Christians are the real problem, not the Islamists. He finds moral equivalence between accidental civilian deaths in wartime, and intentional, systematic murder of innocent non-combatants.
Worf believes that any recognition of the abuses of Shariah is just a silly diversion away from his all-consuming passion of demonizing President Bush (just as he will soon spend many hours demonizing President Hillary).
Mike in Orwellian fashion, smears those who speak out against Islamic terror and oppression, as genocidal monsters.
Exposing, the brutality of women and others suffering under Islam, is the new civil rights movement. Conservatives are taking the lead in this movement, just as they did in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960’s. Liberals will continue to ignore or make excuses for this outrage under the guise of promoting multi-culturism.
Only our outrage and our political pressure can lead to change.
-Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Fixed link:
ReplyDeleteWomen go 'missing' by the millions by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Wufuss/Dufuss,they should have a fountain of ideas like you give the response.
ReplyDeleteAs for Dr.Howie,you dont see much of him anymore.Hil & Bill told him to put a sock in his mouth.
ReplyDeleteFF said "One United Nations estimate says from 113 million to 200 million women around the world are demographically "missing." Every year, from 1.5 million to 3 million women and girls lose their lives as a result of gender-based violence or neglect…
ReplyDeleteWhat is happening to women and girls in many places across the globe is genocide. All the victims scream their suffering. It is not so much that the world doesn't hear them; it is that fellow human beings choose not to pay attention…
The Islamists are engaged in reviving and spreading a brutal and retrograde body of laws. Wherever the Islamists implement Shariah, or Islamic law, women are hounded from the public arena, denied education and forced into a life of domestic slavery.
Cultural and moral relativists sap our sense of moral outrage by claiming that human rights are a Western invention. Men who abuse women rarely fail to use the vocabulary the relativists have provided them. They claim the right to adhere to an alternative set of values - an "Asian," "African" or "Islamic" approach to human rights.
This mind-set needs to be broken. A culture that carves the genitals of young girls, hobbles their minds and justifies their physical oppression is not equal to a culture that believes women have the same rights as men…
A tribunal such as the court of justice in The Hague should look for the 113 million to 200 million women and girls who are missing.
A serious international effort must urgently be made to precisely register violence against girls and women, country by country.
We need a worldwide campaign to reform cultures that permit this kind of crime. Let's start to name them and shame them.
Women go 'missing' by the millions by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Everyone is watching how “compassionate” progressives in Hollywood ignore brave folks like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and film maker Theo van Gogh. The wisdom of courageous women who stand up to vicious Islamic clerics is ignored. For example, the noble Wafa Sultan who, practically lives in Ms. Cornell’s neighborhood, is not celebrated, but treated like a leper.
Clif thinks Christians are the real problem, not the Islamists. He finds moral equivalence between accidental civilian deaths in wartime, and intentional, systematic murder of innocent non-combatants.
Mike said " since you seem to be clairavoyant FF and know what everyone else thinks, i'll try my hand at guessing what they think as well, clif is well aware that many islamists are a problem, however he believes that Americans/Christians are better than that and should know better, and I do not ever recall him equating accidental civilian deaths with acts of murder or terrorism."
Worf believes that any recognition of the abuses of Shariah is just a silly diversion away from his all-consuming passion of demonizing President Bush (just as he will soon spend many hours demonizing President Hillary).
mike said " No worf also believs that we are better than that, because there are animals on their side committing attrocities is not a get out of jail free card to mistreat them or do what ever we please. Sandra O'
connor said it perfect when she scolded Bush saying a war is not a free pass for the president to do as he pleases."
Mike in Orwellian fashion, smears those who speak out against Islamic terror and oppression, as genocidal monsters.
mike said " not true FF you guys have every right to speak out against islamic terror and oppression, I do not support it either and believe it needs to be weeded out, however when you guys make statements that we need to kill their leaders judge which ones are good and evil and choose which ones will get to live and which will be exterminated then either torture the remaining ones into converting to Christianity or exterminate them, I have a big time problem with that buddy, that mindset is no different than the nazi's, see you guys hate all the nazi comparisons, but the similarities are there and they are so blatant you should be ashamed."
Exposing, the brutality of women and others suffering under Islam, is the new civil rights movement. Conservatives are taking the lead in this movement, just as they did in the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960’s. Liberals will continue to ignore or make excuses for this outrage under the guise of promoting multi-culturism.
Mike said "Ok FF the cause is fine how about you guys prove your sincerity by invading some islamic country guilty of oppression that doesnt have tons of oil or isnt converting from the petrodollar then maybe you clowns will have a little credibility, how about you guys stop the oppression in some poor African or Asian country that doesnt have oil, I dont see you guys making a case to disarm North Korea who allready has nuclear weapons that they have threatened more than once can hit the continental USA, oh yeah you guys dont like picking on people who can fight back particularly when there is nothing to be gained, what about Rwanda and other countries in Africa, you say Liberals and Hollywood ignore women and islamic oppression, what the hell have you guys done but invade 1 oil rich country and threaten to invade another, you guys are the one with credibility issues not us>.
Only our outrage and our political pressure can lead to change.
-Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Hey Clif, did you ever check out that site I e-mailed to you, also what do you think of American Theocracy, is it a good read?/
ReplyDeleteI'll be getting it tomorrow.
AP Updated: 4:05 p.m. ET March 29, 2006
ReplyDeleteMIAMI - Assuring the judge he is working to become “a new man,” disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff was sentenced Wednesday to nearly six years in prison for committing fraud in the purchase of a fleet of gambling boats.
He will remain free while helping prosecutors with a vast bribery investigation involving members of Congress.
Maybe the best way to fight Illigal Immigration is the idea proposed by Chris Matthews and also Lou Dobbs.
ReplyDeleteMatthews says fine the employers $40,000 per illigal and they will stop it.
Lou Dobbs wants even heavier fines than that so the Walmarts of the world will really feel the pinch.
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ReplyDeleteThats a good idea Larry if the objective is to combat illegal immigration, but this administration would never do that, they are in bed with big business.
ReplyDeleteMore lies from republican canidates....both about the war and if they should be trusted when they say anything.......
ReplyDeleteCongressional Candidate Slams Press Coverage of Iraq--With Bogus Photo
NEW YORK How far will critics of media coverage of the Iraq war go to prove reporters are wrongly focusing on the negative?
One answer came this week, in a shocking if amusing episode featuring one Howard Kaloogian, a leading Republican running for the seat in Congress recently vacated by indicted Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham.
He posted on the official Web site for his campaign a picture taken in “downtown Baghdad,” he said, during his visit to the city, which supposedly indicated that the media was wrong about the level of violence in the city. “We took this photo of downtown Baghdad while we were in Iraq,” he wrote. “Iraq (including Baghdad) is much more calm and stable than what many people believe it to be. But, each day the news media finds any violence occurring in the country and screams and shouts about it - in part because many journalists are opposed to the U.S. effort to fight terrorism."
But the blogosphere quickly smelled a rat. The photo featured people who didn’t seem dressed quite right for Iraq, and signs and billboards that looked off, too. In the now-familiar pattern, the ace detective work leaped from obscure blogs to the well-known (Talking Points Memo, Eschaton, Attytood, more), and back again, as eagle-eyed experts proposed alternative locales, with Turkey a likely suspect.
In less than a day, it was over. “Jem6X” at the popular DailyKos blog confirmed the street scene was in Istanbul, not Baghdad.
Tipped off by someone who recognized the actual intersection in Istanbul, Jem went through online photo galleries and in a matter of minutes today found a snap taken by a “Faruk” that lined up with the “Baghdad” photo in numerous conclusive ways. Game, set, and match to the blogosphere.
We on the progressive side don't need a false group of swift-boaters because these morons keep doing STUPID things like above...
She knows SOOOOOOOO much (except where she even lives, and almost everything that comes out of her mouth))
ReplyDeleteElections officials to query GOP pundit
Wednesday, March 29, 2006
This time, claiming she doesn't even live here — as GOP pundit Ann Coulter has been doing on this spring's college speaking tour when she's questioned about her February election meltdown on Palm Beach — isn't going to cut it.
Palm Beach County's elections supervisor has given the right wing's unofficial mouthpiece 30 days to explain why she voted in the wrong precinct.
In a registered letter scheduled to be sent to her this week, Coulter is asked to "clarify certain information as to her legal residence," elections boss Arthur Anderson said.
"We want to give her a chance," Anderson said. "She needs to tell us where she really lives."
Or else? He could refer the case to State Attorney Barry Krischer for criminal charges, Anderson said.
The letter, however, may be headed to the wrong house.
The bestselling author, whose The New Ann Coulter comes out in June, owns a homestead on Seabreeze Avenue, near Worth Ave. Yet, the missive is being sent to the Indian Road home of Realtor Suzanne Frisbie. Coulter claimed in official elections documents to be living there, which Frisbie denied last month.
"We have to send the registered letter to her address in our records," explained Charmaine Kelly, elections chief deputy. "If it comes back unsigned, we'll deal with that."
In his official incident report released last week, poll worker Jim Whited wrote that Coulter tried to vote in the Feb. 7 town council election at Bethesda-by-the-Sea, the right place for a Seabreeze resident. Coulter left in a hurry when, Whited said, he asked her to correct the record. Later she cast her ballot at the St. Edward's precinct, where real Indian Road residents go.
Coulter, a constitutional lawyer who relentlessly made fun of Palm Beach County voters after the botched 2000 presidential election, couldn't be reached for comment.
Coulter without a comment, IT IS THE END OF THE WORLD>..........ROTFLMAO
Worfeus get Kevin Phillips book, American Theocracy, I'm only one third throught but it is good, and educational....
ReplyDeleteWorfeus get Kevin Phillips book, American Theocracy, I'm only one third throught but it is good, and educational.... "
ReplyDeleteI should have it by tomorrow.
Did anyone see Tom Delay and the Christian Right trying to say his trial is because he is a Christian and is being persecuted.
ReplyDeleteYes and Rev. Sharpton on Hardball busted that one real big,
US Debt Clock Running Out of Room
ReplyDeleteThe clock that tracks the US debt is running out of room.
We all know that the debt in the US is out of control - anything with a trillions of dollars is just an unimaginable number. Our Debt is more than $8 trillion. From Yahoo News:
Sometime in the next two years, the total amount of US government borrowing is going to break through the 10-trillion-dollar mark and, lacking space for the extra digit such a figure would require, the clock is in danger of running itself into obsolescence.
So when will this milestone be reached? According to the owners of the clock, sometime before 2009, certainly before George Bush leaves office. Every second, the clock goes up $20,000.
The clock hasn't always worked flawlessly.
Toward the close of the millennium, with a booming economy fuelling annual budget surpluses, the clock began to slow and finally ran into its first mechanical problem.
"It wasn't designed to run backwards," Douglas Durst explained.
But that little flaw didn't matter for long. Within two years of Bush's Presidency, the clock came back - with a vengeance. And soon, there will be a new one up. A bigger one.
"We're not happy at the impact we're making with this one," [Durst] said.
And when we were about 3.5 to 4 trillion in debt in 1992 everybody was soooo worried, now we have to change the clock that counts the debt because nobody thought to register a ten billion dollar debt level..(can we say Y2K redux in spades)
Just ran accross this one from TP,
ReplyDeleteCan you imagine if the state police said don't follow the locals unless the national guard is there?
THE NEWS FROM BAGHDAD....Riverbend watches the news on Iraqi TV:
I was reading the little scrolling news headlines on the bottom of the page.... Suddenly, one of them caught my attention and I sat up straight on the sofa, wondering if I had read it correctly....The line said:
The translation:
“The Ministry of Defense requests that civilians do not comply with the orders of the army or police on nightly patrols unless they are accompanied by coalition forces working in that area.”
That’s how messed up the country is at this point....The situation is so bad on the security front that the top two ministries in charge of protecting Iraqi civilians cannot trust each other. The Ministry of Defense can’t even trust its own personnel, unless they are “accompanied by American coalition forces”.
Are we making progress in Iraq that the defeatist American media routinely ignores because they've been overwhelmed by their single-minded loathing of George Bush? Read the whole thing and decide for yourself.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_03/008519.php
its only going to get worse Clif, there is no end in sight for Bush's war in fact he wants to escalate the war by dealing with Iran, he's allready pawned the decision on how long the war will go on on other presidents, the debt is growing and Bush doesnt want to give up his tax cuts to the wealthy.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think will happen when a recession hits and the federal reserve is forced to cut interest rates, the dollar will fall china and Japan will dump dollar demoniated debt and inflation will soar and so will gold, silver and oil. better make sure you own some precious metals because just like the late 1970's- early 1980's they will go through the roof again. repugs keep taking jabs at Jimmy Carter, just wait till you see how Dubya goes down in history.
Mike the mess that we will call the United States will have a lot of people praying for FDR's return....
ReplyDeleteThe ripple effects of layoff's small business bankruptcies, people getting forclose, auto's being repo'd, will slowly become common. I have paid up all my debts already so I have no debt except for the monthly bills.
Your right Clif, I think it will take an FDR style New Deal to try and fix the damage these guys have done and are still doing, The right is so blind they dont even see they are marching right off the edge of a Cliff.
ReplyDeleteThey see but the ones that do are grabbing all they can for now, then they will have the financial capital to buy up the real assests in the post collapse "fire sale", to bad too many of the capital is leaving and the fire sale may have alot of overseas investments. because he who has the money here usually gets the most say in the rules...
ReplyDeleteyeah, I think after a severe collapse much of our assets will be controlled by foreigners, mI also think Warren Buffet is waiting on the side lines to buy things at fire sale prices, he sees what a mess the powers that be are making of our country.
ReplyDeleteWhat I wonder is when ther collapse passes the tipping point and a large majority of people here see they are going to lose : jobs , homes, cars , and a better style of life for themselves and their children what do those in power do?
ReplyDeleteClif if things really get that bad like the great depression or worse, the only thing to do is a New Deal type distribution of wealth so the masses have money to spend, what causes depressions are a concentation of wealth among very few people and excessive debt and the only way to reverse it is to redistribute that wealth so people have money to spend again and the economy can start functioning normally again.
ReplyDeleteBut are the current crop willing to do that..Hoover didn't.
ReplyDeleteif things get that bad that the economy actually breaks down and they cant buy anything and there are riots and theft and violence they may not have choice, fear and panic are powerful emotions.
ReplyDeleteYou friggin dopes are amazing.Its obvious neither one of you is in the market or has any real estate.You idiot's are stupid enough to be predicting the next depression.You wonder why you cant gather enough brain cells to win a national election.
ReplyDeleteRight but the radical rights first reaction is crack down and blame the poor and they ones who end up losing to moneyed power interests, what makes you think they will suddenly have an epiphany and see the light or raising all boats
ReplyDeleteI dont think you guys really know just how silly you are.
ReplyDeleteClif,you poor puppy.Your looking for a revolution.
ReplyDeleteduring the depression 25% of our people were unemployed, can you imagine 1/4 of our nation not working and at that time we had a growing manufacturing base like China does now, now we are a service economy and if people dont have money to buy things or pay for services the unemployment could be much worse, people forget the past and think it can never happen again, I hear right wing fools still talking like the stock market is the road to riches and gold is for fools and hasnt done anything in 25 years when the stock market has done nothing in the last six years and gold has more than doubled and has risen over 30% a year the last 5 or so years.
ReplyDeleteHome ownership is the highest in history.Black home ownership has never been higher,all boats rise.
ReplyDeleteMike,you baby. People have more spendable income than ever.Take a pill or dig a bunker.
ReplyDeleteThe Right will be out of power real soon, they will screw things up so bad they wont get another shot for 20 years just like after FDR cleaned up their mess.
ReplyDeleteMouse-boy if your stock tanks and your loser job dissappears what do you do with all the bills you got, son?
ReplyDeleteLike I said Clif, there are none so blind as those who can not see, these clowns will march right off the cliff.
ReplyDeleteYou morons are always looking to trash America.The majority just does'nt want to hear you stupid rants.
ReplyDeleteClif Klaven, dont worry about me.I've got mine.Do you have the balls to get yours?
ReplyDeletethat so, then why are you here, got nothing better to do because your life is so pathetic huh.
ReplyDeleteHome ownership(who actually owns the property the resident or the bank?) is the highest in history.Black home ownership (same question)has never been higher,all boats rise.
ReplyDeletedebt has never been higher both public (government to you bozo) and privately held, in fact more of our economy GNP comes from financial transactions then from manufacturing and both Ford And GM make much more from the financial parts of their corps than from manufacturing autos...
You dopes are more than likely the ones that want redistribution of wealth. Right.
ReplyDeleteThge offer still stands bozo.......
ReplyDeleteCliffy, that was pure jibberish.You have no idea what you're saying.Your B.S.may impress Mikey and Wufuss but no one else.
ReplyDeleteyou'll be crying for it to when you lose everything because your clowns run our economy and country into the ground.
ReplyDeleteWhat offer Klaven?
ReplyDeleteMike,I really feel sorry for you.
ReplyDeletePut those G.I. Joe dolls down.
ReplyDeletesee when society breaks down and it becomes a survival of the fittest where the strong take what they need and want a little cowardly mouse like you will be begging for anything you can get including welfare or wealth distributions.
ReplyDeleteDo both you guys live with you parents? Come on tell the truth.
ReplyDeleteso brave when hiding behind the keyboard
ReplyDeleteyuk yuk
Mikey, you'd be the last person I would have to worry about.
ReplyDeleteObviously I have a better understanding that running a individual, company or country on a credit card ever increasing level of debt mentality has reprecussions, and where does the country go to declare bankrupcy?
ReplyDeleteBTW I have no real assests that are not already fully paid for and have a fully invested retirement that I am already collecting at age 48, how is your financial bottom line, positive or less assests than you actually owe, plus what happens if the stock market falls back to 2001-2002 levels? (It can happen, even if you can't admit it)
Hey dipshit, you're on a key board.Duh.
ReplyDeleteBrave hiding in there aren't we? any-pussy
ReplyDeleteyeah your not smart enough to worry about anything
ReplyDeleteClif,as with that soldier crap,I think your full of it.Again,dont worry,I'll be fine.
ReplyDeleteOh Mikey,you reallyyyyyyyy scare someone like me.
ReplyDeleteBTW stocks are paper assests that can be zeroed out right quick ask those who bought into the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, etc.... fairy tale.
ReplyDeleteYou two twits could'nt find the cheeks of your ass with both hands.
ReplyDeleteWould you care to meet and discuss my military expierence, I promise to bring my ID card and DD form 214, along with a few vet friends to help you understand what it means to serve. ( a couple really want to help you understand what chicken-hawk means to them)
ReplyDeleteOnce again Clif,you obviously are not investing,for you know not what you say.Do you sparky?
ReplyDeleteKlaven,that internet talk of yours is really so cheep.Are you going to bring your motorcycle gang also? What a friggin phony.
ReplyDeleteBTW I find it quite amusing that you repugs see yourself as the tough guys when all you do is hide behind your keyboards and talk tough while others are doing your killing and dying for you.
ReplyDeleteFunny think is I have never actually met a tough Repug, I wonder if they are myths like Bigfoot or the yeti or they really exist or they are oxymorons like jumbo shrimp???
Know enought to be comportably retired at 48 with my home fully paid for and you paying me in my retirement BTW thanks for the new bike frame I plan on building my next scoot, I am looking at a 100cu in motor so do pay your taxes right quick....
ReplyDeletehow much are they paying you to act like a moron Johnny??
ReplyDeleteYou two,along with your other nitwit buddy (Wufuss/Dufuss)cant take any other opinion.You guys are weak.
ReplyDeleteyou work for the repugs or NSA, or are they one and the same now?
ReplyDeleteAlso I forgot to thank you for the 2003, 100th anivbersity Harley Dresser you bought me.....
ReplyDeleteMikey,for the final time,oh christ please tell me he's not that dumb.YOU ARE ON A KEYBOARD>
ReplyDeleteyou show me another opinion, all I see out of you is insults and name calling
ReplyDeleteClif, I'm thinkin the last bike you road had training wheels.No disrepect ment.
ReplyDeleteHello, I'm not the one going to a Right wing blog and insulting people, calling people names and acting like cowardly wanna be tough guy, your the one hidding behind your keyboard with your anonymous name.
ReplyDeleteYou know I'm really have fun screwing with you two,you're typical lib's,all talk no substance.
ReplyDeleteAnd the 2001 sporster which I have chopped, put a paucho springer front end and boosted the motor with Buell parts so i hope to get about 90-100 horses out of, thanks for that too, you actually are quite generous even if you try to be so tough here,
ReplyDeleteThats known as a troll, my little green friend.
ReplyDeleteMike!!!! Holy christ.How can I explain this? Look down,you're on a keyboard.
ReplyDeleteCliffy, are you Paul or Paul Jr.?
ReplyDeleteyou should go into comedy, your so pathetic its almost funny.
ReplyDeleteWQell son wyou have showed you can't think your way out of a wet paper bag(nor could you stand up for yopur self either) but keep thinking you have it all figured out, reality is a bitch when she slaps you down and she slaps almost everybody down from time to time....you just can't admit that either.
ReplyDeleteQuestion.Who's the last person convicted for easedropping/wiretapping? Come on answer.
ReplyDeleteClif,are you talking Sandskrit?
ReplyDeleteNeither paul or paul Jr they live in Orange county NY I live in Kentucky now, but they aren't the only people who build bikes. I do admire a few of their builds but I like Billy Lane's and Indian Larry's builds more.
ReplyDeleteyou must really have no life, your hare almost as much as most of us and you add nothing of intelligence, I sure hope your getting paid well, or your even a bigger loser than I had you pegged for.
ReplyDeleteNot sanscrit boy, just a bit of what I have learned from living almost a half a century.
ReplyDeleteCliffy, I'll be in Keenland for part on the spring meet.Stop on by.
ReplyDeletewell hope you made your bonus today for trying to derail the discussion tonight, i'm signing off good night and good luck because you are going to need it my little green friend.
ReplyDeleteMike,your parents must really be proud of you. I mean taking the little bus and all.
ReplyDeleteGive me a date and address, I usually make Lexington about once a week....and Know some people who work the backside.....I spent a summer at churchill downs working the backside after I got out.
ReplyDeleteI'll be staying at the Brown Hotel from 4-20 till 4-24. I love Louisville.Nothing better than dinner at the Brown or the Seelback.
ReplyDeleteWhy all the way over there Keenland is in Lexington.....
ReplyDeleteMy best friend and his wife live in Louisville.
ReplyDeleteHe's a former Marine with great Nam stories.
ReplyDeleteHoew am I gonna find you i just can't walk into the brown and say I'm here to see any-mouse
ReplyDeleteYou cant beat the ride between Louisville and Keenland,the best looking horse country in the world.
ReplyDeleteEspecially on two wheels and on the back roads, I ride Kentucky all summer.
ReplyDeleteI'll buy you a drink at the downstairs bar of the Brown on Fri 4-21.
ReplyDeleteYou ever take the "Old Kentucky Pike" from 64 to Keenland? If not give it a try.
ReplyDeleteDo not drink alcohol(got 26 years clean and sober) but I can be there.......
ReplyDeleteSee, we may differ in opinion's,but most Americans have something in common.
ReplyDeleteI'll look foward to it.We can finalize down the road.Best to you bud.
ReplyDeleteBetter run Paris pike north out of Lexington...the stonwe walls and veistas you can see are great. Also 31 E south of Bardstown is great.(I ride but not horses, they go to slow)
ReplyDeleteLater sent Lydia your email and tell her to send it to me and we can finalise out of the prying eyes.....Plus I always enjoy meeting people we are more alike than different. The good lord made us that way.
ReplyDeleteClif and Mike,
ReplyDeleteIf you folks are not in the market, you are losing out because stocks are cheap and the U.S. economy is expected to grow about 3% for 2006.
The S&P 500 has an average price/ future earnings ratio of about 15.5% which compares favorably to a historical average of around 14%.
Unemployment is low at about 4.5% and inflation is in check at about 3%.
Here is a good analysis:
A Look At The Markets - March 2006
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"Ms Cornell, you say you speak the Love of Christ, but I have to say it doesn't show in your writing. You can dislike Bush and his politics and the Iraq war, but that does'nt give you the right to speak in a hatefull manner, otherwise you then become a hypocrite. As for the teaching of the Rapture all Protestants believe, by knowing the Bible that this event will occur one day, when that is nobody knows.
I suggest you re-read your Bible and practice what it preaches, to Love thy enemy, so if Bush is YOUR enemy love him"
Yo Anonymous:
You need to sift through all of Lydia's past posts & within them you will find that she actually did tell all of us to love Bush too and to pray for him! That is NOT hateful.
Seems to me that as you're pointing the finger at her you forgot that you have three pointing back at yourself. Meaning that indeed it shows you are truely the one with feelings of hate. If you know the bible as well as you seem to claim you do, then why don't you begin practicing leading by example and stop judging and hating others and start treating everyone as you would want them to treat you.
Wow what a cracker-head Anonymous said: "Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteQuestion.Who's the last person convicted for easedropping/wiretapping? Come on answer."
Here's your answer: Why would Bush have someone convicted for easedropping/wiretapping when he approves of it! Good Morning! Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee. Better yet, time for you to wake up and go back to Coulter's site where you belong.
I'm done with you now - good bye.
Lydia,
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with your views on this immigration thing. It's a total non-issue, designed to wholly distract Americans from the Bush failures and to scare us into voting Republican again.
Perhaps if Ms. Cornell and her friend were married to Republican men, they wouldn't be "Deprived Wives"...just sayin'.
ReplyDeleteGreat thread.
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