Personally, I think Cheney, Bush, Rove used the secrets they found spying in order to blackmail and intimidate good people like Richard Clarke and Scott Ritter so they would be less ready to talk. I wonder how many others....
Questions: what do you think the possibilities are for impeachment, based on the spying program, if it's proven to be illegal? How about the Jack Abramoff scandal? Valerie Plame? The United Nations plane incident when Bush was overheard suggesting they paint the plane in U.N. colors?
I am opening this forum to hear from Recovering Republicans. You can leave anonymous messages if you don't want your identity leaked. I'm quite serious. I used to be a Republican, then I got sober on September 11, 1994. It's as if I woke up. I suddenly started looking at the world around me and put myself in others' shoes. I literally grew a new heart: did a turnaround on the death penalty, and stopped judging and fearing others. I also gradually started being less self-centered. I started giving things away. If we all just took care of our own side of the street and started nurturing those less fortunate instead of judging them, we could build an amazing world. We're all the same color and the same tribe.
Stuart Smalley is right; "It's easier to wear slippers than to carpet the whole world.
Remember, Sadaam was the one assurance that Osama Bin Laden's Al Quaeda would never get a foothold in Iraq. They were enemies and polar opposites: Sadaam was a secularist; Osama a religious fundamentalist.
There were many more creative ways to keep Sadaam from functioning. As long as we were "inspecting, hovering, talking and questioning the WMD program, we could have played this card until we smoked him out of his bunker. With our precision satellite technology -- you don't think we could have eventually made a surreptitious direct hit or contact? Or at least kept him in his luxury underground bunker for a few years, paranoid of coming outside? What good would he be then? With proper CIA plants, we could have made friends in the underground, won them over with ideas -- there had to be one or two Iraqis who eventually would turn against their leader. With satellite photos, we could see any WMD action, trucks leaving large facilities. It's one thing to bomb inanimate objects if you absolutely have to, but to announce to the world that you are going to assassinate a human being, even if he's an unofficial dictator, is not only UN-CHRISTIAN but gives the enemy a heads-up and makes us look like malicious invaders. No wonder more terrorism was created! The more we fight these guys, the more of them we create! It's like Lynn Woolsey said the other day, if you shoot at a worm, he splits in two. Wouldn't you get your cousins, aunts and uncles together to fight an invader who carpet bombs your city, and destroys schools, universites and the sewage system, to say nothing of creating toxic chemica air and a few "civilian casualties now and then." This is BARBARIC and we can't possibly be hearing the whole story. Are all the Iraqis really grateful to us as liberators? No wonder the whole world hates us. No human on earth of sound mind, thought this was a good plan! We must get together and pray for Bush to gain wisdom (which is compassion WITH intelligence.) And pray for the good in people to rise. Maybe it would be wise to understand our enemy: Al Qaeda was a fringe group, not a majority of Muslims. Not all Muslims believed all non-Muslims should be wiped out. This was not the part of the Koran normal people followed. Osama had a personal vengeance and a rinky-dink operation: terrorist hits on the WTC is not the same as missles. But now he has more friends: we've given the fence-sitting Muslims actual cause to hate us.
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A CALL FOR A TRUCE: I want to open up a dialogue with people who support this war. I sincerely want to know why you believe this war in Iraq is a good thing. From the bottom of my heart, I am pleading for real answers, not vicious attacks. We are all Americans here, and we have to bridge this chasm. We cannot be enemies anymore. Fopr my part, I am a mother with two sons and I never want them to fight in a war like this -- against people who are willing to blow themselves up and who "eat nuclear waste for breakfast" as I said in a prior blog. I cry almost everyday for the precious lives of our brave soldiers. These are just children we are sending off to die for a cause I honestly don't think is guaranteeing our freedom at all. Please reassure me that there is a good reason for this. Thank you and God Bless.
Regarding Iran: It is absolutely possible to prevent a world war. We must be vigilant, and you may not be ready to accept this, you may not believe me, but prayer tangibly changes things. Prayer is putting your thoughts on the good in people so intensely, that fear and negative influences are driven out. This is a "thought-universe" and what we focus on grows. Prayer is not begging some anthropomorphic (man-like) god for favors. It's actually dwelling persistently on the good, love. If you try this, you will see miraculous changes in your own life.
Commenter Moo Moo -- I've been writing two books and didn't mean to ignore you. You questions will be answered in these books and blogs coming soon, I just haven't had time to read all these comments yet as I'm raising children and am overwhelmed with work lately. Also getting ready to do standup comedy opening for Paul Rodriguez show -- with Destiny, my girlfriend. I'll keep you posted on this and our Vegas calendar.
Listen, seek and you shall find. If you're really interested in spiritual growth and the secrets of the universe, you will find them. I haven't begun to share with anyone what I absolutely know to be true yet -- but I will. But many others have: read Wayne Dyer, "You'll See it When you Believe It" Also, the BEST BOOK I HAVE EVER READ ABOUT THE TRUE CHRIST IS: EMETT FOX "The Sermon on the Mount" In very simple terms, he tells us how to get results from prayer, and the real meaning of Christ's mission. It is a crime what the current believers (Pharisees) have done to pervert Christ's real mission. I also love Mary Baker Eddy (very advanced spiritual thought, but it is absolutely the truth) and I love the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know". Please Google "The Miracle in the Water" and study this amazing way to put your thoughts on love. If love can change a water molecule, and we are 95% water, this is something to think about.
Thoughts are things. You say I haven't answered your questions, but if you read all my posts more will be revealed. Why don't you ask me another question, I'm not sure what it is you want answered. I will say this: I do not believe in a man-like God outside of ourselves. It's WITHIN.
I am talking about consistently taking the higher ground, resisting fighting, learning the key to life: that what we focus on expands. You don't need to fight your enemies if your thoughts are focused on your own business and the good in the "other". Charity involves stepping outside your own view and having real empathy for others' suffering. Breaking the grip of fear and depression takes a shedding of doubt, and a leap in consciousness. You can't see it until you believe it.
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Lydia, I have sensed your extremely busy between meeting the deadlines for your books and spending time with your family, and in light of that i've been really making an effort to not direct questions at you that require lots of thought or long complex answers, however after watching TCFC Saturday evening I just wanted to ask this one quick question before i forget, anyone else feel free to jump in as well.
ReplyDeleteI was watching the episode were the guy was wearing a black Russian hat, and you were commenting that your father wore a hat like that also, that brought back alot of memories for me, because my father used to wear a hat like that, and I absolutely hated it, I used to tell him he looked like a geek and that this wasnt Russia and I even used to hide it on him. My question was were those hats ever popular, was that some kind of fad or weird style, just curious?
Also please keep us informed about your books and any interviews you might be doing, and just as an idea, if you have the time I think it would be really cool if after your books came out you created a blog for a brief time for questions and answers about the books or even accepted letter or e-mail questions kind of like Tolkien and C.S. Lewis did.
Lydia said "A CALL FOR A TRUCE: I want to open up a dialogue with people who support this war. I sincerely want to know why you believe this war in Iraq is a good thing."
ReplyDeletei think this is a fantastic question, i'd really like to hear REAL reasons for supporting the war, however maybe i'm being cynical here, but i think we are just going to get the typical "lets kill them before they kill us rhetoric" but we'll have to see.
Mike Tolkien and C.S. Lewis are my favorite writers! How did you know. I also love Ann LaMotte. Genius funny.
ReplyDeleteThe hat episode -- I have to go back and look at it, do you know what it's called? Funny you should mention that: my dad wore a Russian hat too. I think they were popular in New York and other cosmopolitan cities. Of course he was born in Russia, grew up in Shanghai, China. He was not a Communist, but a white Russian. (In case any McCarthyites spying on me want to know.) His father was an admiral in the Tsar's Imperial fleet.
I will keep you posted on the books and interviews, and will have a Q & A, great idea!
Keep your eyes on the Good and it will increase. xoxo,
Lydia
I'm a recovering neo-con. You are starting to make me think. I will keep reading more if you keep writing. You speak a truth I don't often hear. thank you.
ReplyDeleteAdmiral Cornell? Never heard of him....
ReplyDeleteLyd
ReplyDeleteI have read every post ever written by you including some not on this site. I too, am a dedicated father who drives my offspring around constantly like a taxi service.
I completely read the Viktor Fankl book as well. And, while you may not believe this, I really didnt learn anything new. I amazed my mother years ago by telling her : "As human beings, we have the power to choose how we react to any given situation or circumstance no matter how difficult." In other words, I can convince myself (If I choose to) that the most extreme harsh reality of life is nothing more than a pleasureable learning experience; I have learned this on my own.
Though very helpful, logotherapy has its limits and is certainly no absolute. Nevertheless, Frankl's book is an excellent, inspiring read.
You said :
" If your really interested in spiritual growth and the secrets of the universe, you will find them."
I cant believe you said this. Thats like me saying to you: "Are you really interested in Jesus." I too, have found many secrets and my journey into the rabbit hole is one you would not care to hear because the truth would crush you, therefore you prefer the blue pill which provides illusion and false comfort.
Seriously Lydia, I am very proud of myself for not seeking external illusions in my most desperate hour.
Additonally, you make it sound as if I have never experienced or attempted love or something . I was with the same girl for 18 years which is more than you. I have learned you can love someone too much or too little. Therfore, once again, my question to you is:
Where does one draw that fine line between expressing to much or too little love so that the world may live in total harmony, without conflict, thereby allowing the second coming?
I feel this is a reasonable question for someone who wants world love so desperately.
Take all the time you need to answer this one. Your gonna need it.
Im not being mean to you. In fact, I hope someone may wipe me out some day with logic and fact... not.. "I seen the Virgin Mary's face on the bottom of my neighbours lawnmower.
P.S. I will check out what you recommended.
Take Care
Moo Moo - Now I see what you're asking. I keep hinting but you may not like my answer, so I have to wait and get it out there in the book. But a good start is to see the world as not material, there is no struggle between two opposing forces, good and evil - that is the illusion we've invented. There is no "original sin"; this is a construct and that sets all of our lives up for pain. Once you jump out of this box and change your foundational perspective, mind-boggling things begin to open up. This is what is hard to get people to see, they are not ready. You can't kill anyone really. Regarding war and nations: how many have tried returning love for hate (as Christ instructed) because we simply won't believe it will work. And then when the evidence of our material senses proves someone dies a bloody death, we think love doesn't work. But there is much more. And it takes conscious concentration to see beyond physical evidence to the whole picture. I don't have all the answers but I do know this: if we had not invaded Iraq, we'd have a safer world, and terrorism would have diminished by our withdrawing our attention from it. Read Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science textbook. It is in old language but it explains it all. Einstein knew this, but said it was far ahead of its time.
ReplyDeleteI don't mean withdraw from looking for Osama. But there is a big difference in what we're doing.
ReplyDeleteKirk said
ReplyDelete"Conflict is, I feel, an essential part of life. But the key is to have civility in conflict and grow from it. Mind you ... civility does not necessarily mean politeness; sometimes truth hurts."
Excellent Kirk! Finding/Defining that fine line is virtually impossible; the rabbit hole is bottomless.
Lydia means well though and I respect her quest. I am, however, a little freaked out by her 6:08 pm post; shes a little deeper than I assumed.
I guess Ill just be patient and wait for her books...the curiosity is killin me though.
Lydia said
ReplyDelete..."there is no struggle between two opposing forces, good and evil - that is the illusion we've invented. There is no "original sin"; this is a construct and that sets all of our lives up for pain."
Hmmmmm....good one Lydia, but, even if your right, you now have to convince billions to recognize this. Good luck!
Thanx Lydia for sharing your thoughts/beliefs with me yet again. Always a pleasure to hear from a fellow philosopher.
P.S. Dont bring your comedy show around here otherwise I will heckle you unmercifully...hee hee hee
Johnny, man i'm pissed, I wrote a long post attempting to define what I think the is line and kind of tie it in to what you Kirk and Lydia are saying and it got deleted when the board went down. oh well ill try and repost the gist of it later.
ReplyDeleteAbout what you said yesterday though what is the name of the blog in the archive where you posted your thoughts on the TCFC commentary.
My two favorites were Lydia and Ted, and I think they were probably the most popular as well, although I liked everyone and thought the whole cast was fantastic, and while I agree with you that Ted was the most well known actor on the show and could probably be considered the star, I think a reunion would be sucessful without him and I think the fans would be interested. I'm not even a big sitcom guy and I really loved the show the only sitcoms I really liked and took the time to watch were Gilligans island, Happy Days, Threes Company, Too Close For Comfort, Welcome Back Kotter, and that new one with John Ritter that 8 Simple Rules, that I really stated watching because I was a big John Ritter fan, I really liked the entire cast of this show also, but I kind of lost interest and stopped watching after John Died.
Moo Moo -- It sounds too intellectual, esoteric. I have to tell you how it works in parables and true stories that happened to me that I would never have believed "before".
ReplyDeleteI love that you are on the path. I saw your name over at Shadows of Divine Things. I think we spend way too much time on the dogma of religion, instead of actually applying spiritual principles. I have some spine-tingling proof to tell you about. But this is not to freak you out, it's actually a law of the universe. We just don't expect miracles, but we should. They are perfectly natural. we'll only see it when we believe it.
Mike I can't wait to read your post.
ReplyDeleteI think we’re back to the Hornet’s nest analogy, I promise I will be relatively brief Kirk, I just
ReplyDeletewant to make a point and tie it in with the last few posts. I think NECESSARY is a more
appropriate choice of words than essential. Essential implies we cant do without it and I think that
while conflict is at times unavoidable and necessary, it is definately something we can live without
and thus not essential. Now bear with me here, my point isnt just semantic, while I agree that
conflict is at times necessary, I think that is only a small portion of the time, much less than people
actually think. The only times I think conflict is truly unavoidable is when you are in a real “life or
death” or “us or them” type situation or when greater evil will come from doing nothing. The vast
majority of the time being open minded and trying to see things from the other sides perspective
or point of view or showing kindness or compassion can allow things to be resolved without
conflict or deadly force.
Now while I think dealing with the REAL terrorists is definately an “us or them” type situation, I
don’t think the war in Iraq is, we are occupying these people’s homeland against their will, many
of these people have had friends and family killed and houses destroyed by our bombings, many
have been accidently shot or blown up by both our troops and by insurgents. I think that the
majority of Iraqi’s are just poor simple people whose main focus is to survive and get enough to
eat, not to attack and destroy a group of people they don’t even know on the other side of the
world, however if we keep giving them reasons to hate us and adding fuel to the fire that could
change.
One more distinction, to these people we are invaders and bullies and they are freedom fighters,
and although there may be some REAL terrorists attempting to enter the country due to the chaos
we created, the vast majority are not, even though they may use terrorist type tactics much like
our forefathers did against the British during the Revolutionary War, in their eyes they are
defending their homeland. I have several friends in the military and have a huge amount of respect
for our soldiers, however from the Iraqi’s perspective our soldiers are legitimate military targets.
All this “might makes right” philosophy does is stir up hate and create more enemies, till
eventually the bully messes with the wrong person, or all of the little people band together to deal
with the bully. I have to say that I agree with Lydia and Worfeus in that I think the world would
be a safer place if we didnt invade Iraq, much of the world views us as a bully, mainstream
moderate muslims are being converted to the terrorist cause, I think if we tried to see things from
their perspective and put the wheels in motion for a pullout we could turn things around, if not,
where does it end, its like the Hatfields and the McCoys if one side doesnt blink or attempt to take
the high road the killing will never stop and both sides will lose, theres no winning a quagmire like
this, This administration is still caught up in the past fighting the last War, they think its the Cold
War part 2 .
Another example would be on this Blog, a small portion of the time when a troll makes a hateful
annoying post, a response is warranted, but the majority of the time its more appropriate to just
ignore them, instead of perpetuating the hate by responding, ignoring them and not giving them
the attention they crave will make them and other trolls go away, although it is sometimes difficult
to do, we all (myself included) need to make the effort.
Lydia, it was actually Ted wearing the Russian hat, for some reason i thought it was Wendel, The episode was "A Policeman's Wife Is Not A Happy One" and you and Deb were doing the Commentary.
ReplyDeleteLydia said "Personally, I think Cheney, Bush, Rove used the secrets they found spying in order to blackmail and intimidate good people like Richard Clarke and Scott Ritter so they would be less ready to talk. I wonder how many others...."
ReplyDeleteI think these guys tried intimidating and threating lots of people, there were a great many people who tried speaking out and were silenced including Paul O'neil and Colin Powell, O'Neil spoke out a little about what was going on in his book, it was an interesting read.
BTW Worf, I got See No Evil today by Bob Baer, it looks good i'll read it this week.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
ReplyDelete-Ronald Reagan
Appeasers who clamor to see us fail to sustain lasting freedom in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East -- those who urge us to abandon the Iraqis to Saddam's bloody successor-- do not deserve to be known by the proud title of American.
For a minute I didnt get that Worf, but I get it now. :D
ReplyDeleteGreat posts Kirk, i'll write a response later as well, but I couldnt of said things better. BTW its funny you mentioned that general because for some reason I thought about that as well last night, he said something like we needed a minimum of 250,000 to 300,000 troops to do it right and he was immediately silenced and discredited as are all people who hold opposing views to the current administration, because they knew we didnt have 300,000 troops and they just wanted to make the war happen any way possible.
ReplyDeleteFirstly I have to say I had a big crush on Lydia and Deborah back in the early 80's after seeing them on TV. (Probably still do ) The advent of the internet and actually talking to someone you admire is truly fascinating, but on topic.....
ReplyDeleteThis war thing. I don't like war and I do not think that anyone does, but sometimes it cannot be averted. This "holy war" is a means to convert non believers to the right way. That is the view of the "other side" , right ? Their actions in 2001 with respect to the World Trade center is evidence in their commitment to a form of action other than peaceful to bring about what they think is right.
Likewise with such harsh situations seemingly the way of North America is to fight wars on soil other than their own, even holy wars. To do nothing may invite more ill actions were we live, in North America, is that what we really want?
There are no right ways with war; it is much too blunt an action to be close to just. Only the end of war with the willingness by both sides to meaningful discussion would bring about a new hope for the future. Hope that a new understanding will be forged to maintain a respectful tolerance with each other. A lesson to be re learned when history is forgotten or taken for not.
Mike said: Now while I think dealing with the REAL terrorists is definately an “us or them” type situation, I
ReplyDeletedon’t think the war in Iraq is, we are occupying these people’s homeland against their will, many
of these people have had friends and family killed and houses destroyed by our bombings, many
have been accidently shot or blown up by both our troops and by insurgents. I think that the
majority of Iraqi’s are just poor simple people whose main focus is to survive and get enough to
eat, not to attack and destroy a group of people they don’t even know on the other side of the
world, however if we keep giving them reasons to hate us and adding fuel to the fire that could
change.
One more distinction, to these people we are invaders and bullies and they are freedom fighters,
and although there may be some REAL terrorists attempting to enter the country due to the chaos
we created, the vast majority are not, even though they may use terrorist type tactics much like
our forefathers did against the British during the Revolutionary War, in their eyes they are
defending their homeland. I have several friends in the military and have a huge amount of respect
for our soldiers, however from the Iraqi’s perspective our soldiers are legitimate military targets.
BRILLIANT MIKE!
Worfeus Said "HENDERSON, Nev. - Former President Jimmy Carter criticized the Bush administration's domestic eavesdropping program Monday and said he believes the president has broken the law.
ReplyDelete"Under the Bush administration, there's been a disgraceful and illegal decision — we're not going to the let the judges or the Congress or anyone else know that we're spying on the American people," Carter told reporters.
"And no one knows how many innocent Americans have had their privacy violated under this secret act."
Sorry I didnt respond to this last night, but I was a little frustrated that my post got deleted, like I said on the last blog, I think this a great start, i'm finally seeing some signs of life from some prominent and influential people, whereas before they were either afraid to speak out or indifferent. That being said I think we have a long way to go to get him impeached and get his thoughtless policies overturned, but at least the ball is rolling and things are in motion and the Bush administration will know that the opposition is not dead and they have a fight on their hands, and with an election coming up they have to watch what they do and who they step on and temper the arrogance a little or it just may come back to bite them in November.
Mike
Kirk said "The question to ask is how much freedom do we want to give up to TRY to stop them? I prefer the answer to be NONE. I'd rather spend $$$ on port security than allow warrantless wire taps, for example. "
ReplyDeleteAgreed kirk, i'm not willing to give up any freedom either, and you are absolutely right the money should be spent on Port security and securing our Borders (something the Bush Admin has done little or nothing to do) instead of the riddiculous wire Taps, I mean the terrorists arent stupid do you really think they are going to say "the bombs ready, now lets go blow up everyone at the superbowl." I mean come on they are pretty sophisticated i'm sure they talk in code, if we havent been able to catch OSAMA in 4 1/2 years what makes you think this fishing exercise will catch anything worth sacrificing our freedom over.
Mike
Exactly Worf, these guys just keep spewing their rhetoric like liberals are not concerned with border security or are unpatriotic and people actually believe them because they are on tv, so therefore they MUST ne credible, people have to start calling them on their lies and deceptions or more and more people will be deceived into believing these liars. I'm starting to see people wake up and start speaking out, like Jimmy Carter,Murtha and others, but we need more, these guys have stuck their neck out with some pretty indefensible points, we need people to keep the pressure on and call them on their lies and inconsistencies and shine the light of truth onto the dark path these guys are trying to lead us down, and hopefully their house of cards will come crashing down and we can get this nation back on the right track.
ReplyDeleteMike
Now your talkin Ghost of Worf! This ant farm needs more solutions and less finger pointing.
ReplyDeleteRemember, Kwai Chang Cane didnt simply lurk the land and point his finger at people.
And Worf, I feel you have always been the sharpest one in this room since November. No Contest! Your perseverance is amazing and must surely be tiring sometimes.
Keep up the OUTSTANDING work :)
Johnny said "And Worf, I feel you have always been the sharpest one in this room since November. No Contest! Your perseverance is amazing and must surely be tiring sometimes.
ReplyDeleteKeep up the OUTSTANDING work :)
4:51 PM
Ditto!!, you got my respect buddy.
Mike
FREEDOM FAN:
ReplyDelete"There are vast differences between Christianity and other religions. The uniqueness of Christianity stands out boldly in the way we treat our enemies. Nikita Khrushchev understood this and graphically illustrated the difference between Communism and Christianity with this paraphrased remark: “The difference between Christianity and Communism is great. When someone strikes you on the face, you turn the other cheek. If you strike me on the face, I’ll hit you so hard your head will fall off.”
Revenge does not encourage peace but incites men to hostility (verse 18). Peace68 is a priority for the Christian. When Jesus came to the earth, born as a baby, the angels sang, “… on earth peace among men, with whom He is well pleased” (Luke 2:14). Jesus taught His disciples, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9). Peace was to govern the conduct of His disciples (Mark 9:50). Our gospel is the gospel of peace (Luke 19:42; Acts 10:36; Ephesians 2:14-17; 6:15). God is a God of peace (Romans 16:20; Philippians 4:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; 2 Thessalonians 3:16; Hebrews 13:20). Peace should characterize the Christian (1 Corinthians 7:15; 2 Corinthians 13:11; Galatians 5:22). Because peace is a priority for the Christian and revenge promotes hostility, pursuing peace is the antidote to revenge. Pursing peace lays revenge to rest.
Even in the church, the vigilante spirit is alive and well. Christians sometimes attempt to sanctify their anger calling it righteous indignation, but we too are tempted to retaliate against those who mistreat us. Piously, we may pretend to resist evil supposing that God is on our side as we seek to “even the score” by causing hurt or harm to those who have mistreated us. We may even try to use Romans 12:9 as a proof text for our revenge—as long as we read no further in Romans. Our text calls for much more, requiring death to the flesh and the subordination of our personal interests to those of others.
As clear, consistent, and emphatic as the teaching of our text may be, it is not popular for it runs contrary to the inclinations of our flesh.
Paul tells us in verse 14 that the Christian should respond exactly the opposite from the natural man and the inclinations of the flesh. Instead of cursing, we are instructed to bless those who persecute us.
If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. 19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals upon his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Speaking of stupid - I like Kirks story about the genius who made a Molotov cocktail out of a plastic 2 litre bottle of soda. Now thats funny!
ReplyDeleteMolotov, must be chuckling in his grave at this fathead.
I hear ya Worf.
ReplyDeleteIch gebe Ihnen recht Worf. Wahnsinnig!
ReplyDeleteApparently, according to several GOP Senate staffers, Karl Rove is strong-arming Republican Senators to vote their way on the illegal surveillance program. And Rove is threatening to withold all support for their re-election campaigns. Sounds like extortion to me.
ReplyDeleteWe'll have to see which ones have a conscience and which ones are willing to be tools of the Bush crime syndicate.
These people are pathetic!
The US had NO legitimate right to invade iraq.
ReplyDelete-Kirk12
Just as the U.S. had no legitimate right to attack nazi Germany. After all, they didn't attack us. Sure they were gassing millions of Jews and butchering our friends but oh well.
Here's a little background since you liberals have such short memories (proly the weed at work):
Between 1975 and 1990, saddam hussein spent $65 billion on military arms; he was one of the largest purchaser of arms in the world. His ultimate dream was to possess nuclear bombs; he fervently was pursuing this dream.
In 1980 saddam hussein attacked Iran which began a bloody war that lasted eight years and cost about a million lives. In 1988 he dumped poison gas on his own dissident people, resulting in the deaths of over 100,000 mostly civilian Kurds. In 1990 hussein invaded Kuwait without provocation; he also launched missle attacks against Israel, because just like hitler he despises all Jews.
Having attacked his neighbors to the east, then his neighbors to the south, without a doubt he would have attacked his rich, weak neighbors to the west. Then with saddam in possession of the oil of Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia, he would control over 70% of the world’s oil. He easily would become the richest man on earth. He could dictate world oil prices; triple, quadruple the price and we still would have to pay. While this evil dictator was enriching himself and building weapons of mass destruction, the rest of the world would plunge into desperate economic depression and collapse into third world nation status, or be consumed in thermo-nuclear fire.
This is what we Conservatives dare to call a “threat to our national security”. Perhaps you do not believe or feel threatened by this scenario. Apparently you see no parallel between saddam’s plans and hitler’s; you feel that we should have appeased his ambitions, like chamberlain in WWII. Do you think we stopped saddam because of his skin color? Did we really invade Iraq to enrich Haliburton? How utterly stupid does someone have to be to display, or wink at people who display, signs proclaiming “End War and Racism” and “No Blood For Oil”?
Nahle Sabet was once a pretty Iraqi architecture student from a respected Christian family. Then she was abducted, raped, tortured, and finally fed alive to uday’s starving dogs. uday was next in line to be dictator of Iraq.
Today in Iraq, the long, dark reign of terror, rape and murder is over. My heart swells when I see the Iraqis' purple fingers of freedom. Thousands of people will live, who would have died under saddam. Millions more will breathe the sweet air of freedom and justice.
Liberals wring their hands over the relatively small number of unintentional civilian deaths, invent bogus statistics about how 15,000 U.S. troops had their arms and legs blown off, lecture us on how to properly fight a war--as if they know anything about it, smooch repulsive traitors like ward churchill while wearing roosting chicken hats, giggle at michael moore "documentaries", and pretend to "support our troops" while doing everything in their power to destroy our courageous military and undermine its noble, selfless mission.
Real Americans are patriots who proudly cheer the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the world, courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue.
Kirk12, no doubt you and "anon" the nameless "Christian" wonder weenie, favor "turning the other cheek" when evil bullies threaten civilization. Dubya does not. Neither do I.
Sometimes it is necessary to fight to protect our great nation, its values, and its legacy of freedom. Sometimes we must fight to protect the people we love.
Greater love hath no man than this: That a man lay down his life for his friends.
-John 15:13
Freedom Fan
ReplyDeleteYou have raised some important points that simply cannot be ignored; my memory did actually need refreshing.
Eric and I pointed out previously that appeasement does not work as in the case of Chamberlain. Hitler did not want war with America and only declared it after Pearl Harbor in an effort to get the Japanese to attack Russia from the east.
However, I think everyone here is suggesting that a full out, costly invasion on the sacred soil of Iraq was not absolutely neccesary; things did seem to be under resonable control before invasion.
I suggest, a well planned, U.N backed rebellion, by the people of Iraq was a realistic option that may have produced excellent results without burdening America with unnecessary expense and casualties... nor pissing off the rest of the Middle East for that matter.
Do you not feel alternate options were worth a try?
I dont know man, playing war in the Middle East just plain makes me uneasy.
Freedom Fan said "Just as the U.S. had no legitimate right to attack nazi Germany. After all, they didn't attack us. Sure they were gassing millions of Jews and butchering our friends but oh well."
ReplyDeleteRiddiculous comparison FF, Germany and Japan were allies in WW2 known as the Axis powers in case you didnt know, one of the Axis Powers Japan (which was a sovreign nation not a renegade terrorist group like Al Queda) attacked our homeland and we entered WW2 on the side of the Allies, sure we retaliated against Japan, but we entered WW2 in an alliance with the Allies who where fighting against the Axis Powers which included Germany.
Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. as for him trying to conquer the Middle East and corner the world's oil supply, we dealt with that during the first Gulf War, before we attacked Saddam in 2003, he was contained and effectively neutered, had no weapons of mass destruction and was not a threat to our homeland. the whole world actually supported us in keeping him contained, and if we had wanted to depose him there were better ways we could have done it than making our troops targets in Iraq's civil War.
Freedom Fan Said "Liberals wring their hands over the relatively small number of unintentional civilian deaths, invent bogus statistics about how 15,000 U.S. troops had their arms and legs blown off, lecture us on how to properly fight a war--as if they know anything about it, smooch repulsive traitors like ward churchill while wearing roosting chicken hats, giggle at michael moore "documentaries", and pretend to "support our troops" while doing everything in their power to destroy our courageous military and undermine its noble, selfless mission.
ReplyDeleteReal Americans are patriots who proudly cheer the spread of freedom and democracy throughout the world, courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue.
Kirk12, no doubt you and "anon" the nameless "Christian" wonder weenie, favor "turning the other cheek" when evil bullies threaten civilization. Dubya does not. Neither do I.
Sometimes it is necessary to fight to protect our great nation, its values, and its legacy of freedom. Sometimes we must fight to protect the people we love.
Appeasers who clamor to see us fail to sustain lasting freedom in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East -- those who urge us to abandon the Iraqis to Saddam's bloody successor-- do not deserve to be known by the proud title of American."
1:11 AM
Freedom Fan if your so brave and believe in your cause (fighting in Iraq) so adamantly then how come your not over there fighting and putting your money where your mouth is, I mean you have some great examples to follow, lets see Bush and Rove have never fought in a war, Cheney not only has he never fought in a war but he runs and hides in a rabbit hole at the first sign of trouble while telling the rest of the nation to be brave. Oh forgive me, I guess your to important to be over there putting your life on the line with the common Riff Raff and the serfs and peasants, after all your important enough to decide who gets to call themselves Americans and who is Patriotic and who isnt, next you'll be saying who gets to live or die as well.
You are clearly out to deceive the people who dont know any better and i'm not going to stand for it. How dare you marginalize our soldiers deaths, regular civilian deaths, imply I dont support our troops and am unpatriotic or in any way supportive or in league with real terrorists. And i'll throw your own question right back at you, what does a guy who talks brave while hiding behind the keyboard of his computer actually know about war (I think i'll be waiting a long time for this answer) I think you are some one with bad intentions that is out to deceive people who dont know any better and stir up trouble, a troll in other words and i'm not going to sit back while you spread your poison and attempt to deceive people with your partisan rhetoric.
BRAVO MIKE!!
ReplyDeleteJohnny said "I suggest, a well planned, U.N backed rebellion, by the people of Iraq was a realistic option that may have produced excellent results without burdening America with unnecessary expense and casualties... nor pissing off the rest of the Middle East for that matter"
ReplyDeleteJohnny I agree completely, even if the rebellion wasnt backed by the UN it would have been a much better idea than the chaos we have now. This administration had their minds set on war from the beginning and didnt want to hear any other options or think things through and consider the ramifications or an exit strategy it was tunnel vision with the usual "my way or the highway" mentality and now we are paying the price for their lack of forethought
FF Said "Today in Iraq, the long, dark reign of terror, rape and murder is over. My heart swells when I see the Iraqis' purple fingers of freedom. Thousands of people will live, who would have died under saddam. Millions more will breathe the sweet air of freedom and justice. "
ReplyDeleteWhat about all the other poor countries in Africa and Asia that have oppressive dictators, how come we havent gone in there to save and liberate them?? i'll tell you why because they dont have any oil or other natural resources we need to make it worth our while, give it up, its painfully clear you and the Bush Administration have an Agenda and ulterior motives in trying to justify this corrupt war.
Worf I think you were absolutely right about FF on the last blog, I dont think he is what he seems or pretends to be if you get what I mean.
ReplyDeleteget a load of this, remember when they claimed we should all Duck Tape our windows and doors, the first thing that popped into my head is that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or someone in our Government owns stock in 3M. I still think that was a pump and dump scam for 3M, bet they had a monster quarter after that ridiculous statement. too bad we dont have someone like Elliot Spitzer heading the SEC, because then I think we'd know the answer to this question. someone actually has to start calling them on all the riddiculous rhetoric and corruption, once that happens the house of cards may start to crumble.
ReplyDeleteOk, so I forgot to mention Avery Dennison also, either way think how riddiculous taping up your windows sounds, against a nuclear bomb,thats like if a damm were breaking and they said to plug the holes with your fingers and seal the cracks with playdough, does having these guys in charge of our country make you feel any safer????. maybe we should all wear bullet proof vests in case a sniper strikes or live in underground bunkers just in case there is a Nuclear War, or carry our lucky rabbit foot to protect us
ReplyDeleteFreedom Fan said:
ReplyDelete"Between 1975 and 1990, saddam hussein spent $65 billion on military arms; he was one of the largest purchaser of arms in the world. His ultimate dream was to possess nuclear bombs; he fervently was pursuing this dream.
In 1980 saddam hussein attacked Iran which began a bloody war that lasted eight years and cost about a million lives."
What "Freedom Fan" fails to recall is that Saddam Hussein's biggest supplier of arms and money in his fight against Iran was the United States! We were well in bed with him, and there are plenty of photos of Saddam meeting with a variety of U.S. leaders, including Rummy.
In addition, let's not forget the incredible irony that, when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, the mujahedeen insurgency - led by none other than Osama bin Laden - was heavily funded and supported by the U.S. In fact, it's largely accepted that the tide turned in that conflict after the U.S. provided surface-to-air missiles that allowed the mujahedeen to shoot down the powerful Soviet helicopter gunships that had been so effective.
As they say, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. Seems we were supporting freedom fighters in 1980s Afghanistan while today we are fighting terrorists in Iraq. The Soviets were the vile aggressors back then while we are spreading freedom today.
Yes, it all just drips irony, doesn't it?
You made some great points Drewl. thought provoking and interesting as usual.
ReplyDeleteWorfeus said "Massive across the board cuts were ordered for domestic programs, mostly programs geared to the poorer amongst us, like Medicaid, that so many seniors like my folks rely on, while his war chest continues to grow."
ReplyDeleteI think this will come back and bite the Right Wing come election time, they control the White House and Congress and justifying spending for a war in Iraq while cutting spending for domestic programs to help our own citizens is a slippery slope that will come back and bite them. Trouble is the War in Iraq is the Bush Administrations crusade and they wont back off of, so they've basically painted themselves in a corner.
Mike
ReplyDeleteRemember, I only have season two. The post where I share my thoughts about Lydias commentary are at the bottom of "Blessed are the Peacemakers."
Your sitcom choices are similiar to mine except for "8 Simple Rules." I could not watch John Ritter without thinking of Jack Tripper.
I dont know Mike....think about it. I cannot envision a reunion of Threes Company without John Ritter; I feel the same applies to TCFC.
Did you know a religious group tried to persuade people not to watch Threes Company because they felt it was immoral.... Fatheads!
BTW, was Larry a diamond cutter, movie producer, or car salesman :D
Remember the Bionic Man? Oscar Goldman should have sent Steve Austin into Iraq :D
I thought you guys had the technology.
You can get so caught up in your own microcosm that, you don't realise this has happened before ok --well try reading this
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Vienna
or this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
military victory that led to peace in those generations , sometimes you gotta learn to respect your foes , especially when all they read and belive is only what they want to
its gonna happen cause someone wants it to ,,, you can't even joke about it
http://en.wikipedia.org/
ReplyDeletewiki/Battle_of_Vienna
thats the link
What "Freedom Fan" fails to recall is that Saddam Hussein's biggest supplier of arms and money in his fight against Iran was the United States!
ReplyDelete-Drewl
False! The biggest suppliers of arms to Iraq were the Soviet Union, China, France and Egypt. Arms sales to Iraq 1973-1990 per Wikipedia
Demonstrating once again that liberals just routinely invent "facts" to support their warped world view and America-hatred.
Facts to liberals are like kryptonite to superman
-Larry Elder
Nice try leaving of that letter S O Duke of Deception. But It appears your the one who bends the facts at will , first of all you are comparing the USA to about 10 countries, Drewl said Supplier not SUPPLIERS in the plural, nice try maybe you'll have better luck inventing facts to suit YOUR deluded and warped world view and America hatred next time when people are sleeping or not paying attention but not today. Your analogies are sorely lacking.
ReplyDeleteBatter Up!!! :D
Mike
I agree with most of what you are saying Kirk, as for Saudi Arabia I'm really not sure wether we should have taken action against them or not, they have us over a barrel so to speak (pun fully intended) and I think if we pushed the would have pushed back and turned off the oil spigot and that could have been disasterous for our economy. In addition there was a lot of political instability with the possibility of a civil war and a crazy fundamentalist coming to power.
ReplyDeleteWhile I dont support the war I will say that if the decision was to go to war then we should have at least done it right with enough troops and proper equipment. Would it have changed their perception of us if we had done this, possibly, but we'll never truly know the answer to this.
as for FF yes the USA may not have been the biggest weapon supplier but FF tried to pull a fast one and conpare the USA to the USSR which FF's own site categorizes a a bunch of separate countries and he failed to address Drewls point about us funneling money to him.Money is the same as weapons, if you got the money you can buy the weapons anywhere.
mike
I guess I didnt make that clear, according to FF's site the USSR includes all the nations that nornally comprise the USSR plus the Warsaw Pact or Eastern European nations, thats alot of nations to compare to the USA which is just one nation, not completely an apples to apples comparison, he also failed to address the money we funneled to Saddam, this money was i'm used to by weapons, as I dont think he used it for the public good.
ReplyDeleteMike
Kirk said:
ReplyDelete"The point is that the Muslim world and the Christian world both have traditions of conquest, rape, pillaging, etc that no reasonable member of either sect (cult?) should be proud of."
the difference is that Christians gave it up a long time ago, heard of Pat Robertson beheading anyone lately?....
Worfeus said "Repugs like the Frightened Fighter love to try and catch someone on a small detail or technicality while overlooking the bigger picture."
ReplyDeleteExactly Worf, thats how FF operates, noticed how he didnt try and refute or respond to any other points, he just jumped on the technicality and shot one of his childish insults and left.
Mike
Oh lordy!, this is rich!
ReplyDeleteHey worf, want a date with your dream girl?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6034322259
Sorry worf, it was just too funny to pass up.
ReplyDeleteGo ahead, you were saying something about how rotten your country was?...
Kirk said "And FF I'm still curious.... WHAT did you think of Clinton's committing troops to the Balkans in the mid '90's? "
ReplyDeleteHe wont answer you Kirk, you dont know how many legitimate questions like this i've asked him or how many times I called him on a lie or inconsistency in one of his statements and he never answered the question or defended his position, he just flung a few insults and went and hid for a week until things died down. then came back with a few more trollish insults or to point out a minor inconsistency real or imaginary in someone else's statement while failing to respond to any of the other major points in the post.
he really has nothing of substance to add, he just comes here to take pot shots at people, disrupt legitimate discussion and act like a wannabe smart guy, he really believes that hes some kind of intellectual and hes much smarter than all of us. In other words a Troll.
Mike
Whitewashing and turning a blind eye is exactly what it is, if a Democrat was in the white house doing the same things, Conservatives wouldnt be supporting everything he did, they would be crying bloody murder.
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I agree Worf, it looks like the tide might finally be turning, I think these guys are trying to deflect the heat, dammage control so to speak, like i've said before I hope this is only the beginning, its about time these guys are held accountable for their actions.
ReplyDeleteMike
Sorry Kirk, I guess I wasnt clear and you missed my point I meant the Right Wingers who blindly support the War and everything Bush does would not be supporting the exact same things if Clinton or any Democrat were doing them, I was trying to say that I dont really think they believe in the principles they claim to stand for, I think its purely partisan loyalty and they are hippocrites, I wasnt making any reference to the Dems, and I think your right they would be split if the President were doing what Bush is doing because I think they are slightly less partisan and blindly loyal.
ReplyDeleteMike
Whitewashing and turning a blind eye is exactly what it is, if a Democrat was in the white house doing the same things, Conservatives wouldnt be supporting everything he did, they would be crying bloody murder.
ReplyDeleteMike
There is one major difference between a partisan Dem and a partisan Rep., which side they blindly follow. 90% of the people complaining now would love it if Clinton had done this, and about 70% of the Republicans blindly following Bush would bitch if it was a Democrat. Considering Clinton put forward the basic gameplan that Bush is following, and the Dems cheered him like crazy, one would think they'd follow Bush too. And you'd think that all those skeptical Republicans would give Bush crap for following a Clinton-esque plan.....hmmm...curious.
Bottom line: Both sides need to shut the hell up about "If it was a Republican..." or "If it was a Democrat..." We've seen your party (whichever side you're on) in action and we know exactly how you operate. Most of you're just as double standarded as the next guy, so stop trying to take the moral high road.
And as for Kirk, I know your question was intended for FF, but let me answer it. I'm a conservative Republican, and you're damn right I supported Clinton in the Balkans. And Bosnia. The office deserves some respect. Not blind respect, but respect nonetheless. If it were Clinton invading Iraq, I'd support him too. My major beef with Clinton is his refusal to help out in Rwanda. May not've been a good man or a good husband, but he was a pretty good president.
Your last 2 posts were fantastic Worf, I couldnt have said things better.
ReplyDelete"Problem is, only the National Security Director has the authority to declassify classified information."
ReplyDeleteso basically you're saying here that a cabinet officer has MORE power than one of his bosses?...I don't know about where YOU work, but I've never been able to overule MY boss....
a little sarcasm there... actually both Bush and Chenney have the authority to release classified information...
And more to the point, Bob Woodward recently commented that he knew about Plame way before the others did, and that info DID NOT come from scooter....
Also, how about the New York Slimes releasing classified info, should someone go to jail over that?
NEWS FLASH!
ReplyDeleteReid Aided Abramoff Clients, Records Show...
Senate Democratic Leader Reid's Staff Routinely Met With Abramoff Team
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=1599896
Worfeus Said "These guys think the Office of the President is above the law.
ReplyDeleteIts not.
And thats a lesson they are about to sorrowfully learn thanks to the Checks and Balances in our laws, and a few good men, like Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald"
I hope your right, it appears the tide is turning and people are finally starting to wake up and see whats going on, to use a movie analogy, I think Rocky finally tagged the big Russian and drew some blood, but its still an uphill battle and and I just hope things arent rigged. The Right Wing has been in power for a while now, they've been putting THEIR people in positions of power for a while and digging up dirt on and intimidating the opposition, and I just hope the checks and balances are still functional.
Anyone hear Diane Feinstein basically call the Bush Administration a bunch of fear mongers, she said they pulled out an old piece of intelligence from like 4 years ago saying terrorist wanted to crash a plane into the tallest building in LA to help justify their agenda.
ReplyDeleteTiming smells kind of fishy to me, they wait 4 years to tell us about this, kinda seems like they dragged this one out of the closet to deflect the heat from all the coruption scandals.
I guess I did see your comments Johnny, I dont know, I think a reunion for Threes Company would still be cool even without John Ritter, same goes for TCFC without Ted, they would just be a little sad and sentimental with lots of stories both funny and serious about the person. it would also show what everyone is supposed to be doing 25 years later. Happy Days and Dukes of Hazzard were really cool.
ReplyDeleteAs for Larry, I think he was a used car salesman, if i'm wrong, he sure seemed like one.
As for Bionic Man (i loved that show) if they ever did a remake today, they probably would send him to the Middle East
And FF I'm still curious.... WHAT did you think of Clinton's committing troops to the Balkans in the mid '90's?
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that as Commander in Chief he got your full support in helping to spread freedom and democracy; and also helping to stop the genocide.
-Kirk12
True. This was one of the few admirable things Clinton did. Removing milosevic was a huge success militarily; we lost few troops; this situation was threatening the stability of Europe and the spineless Europeans were unable to do anything about it but whine. Our protection of Muslims who were being persecuted by Christians, is evidence that our country is not on a "crusade" against Islam.
Now your turn. Since you concede my point about the danger to the world represented by saddam, did you support Gulf I? How about invading Afghanistan to remove the decadent taliban and usama's terror support system?
Dubya cleaned up that festering sore named saddam after he violated the terms of the armistice he signed after Gulf I. 10 years of haggling with that monster was more than adequate. And the "Bush Lied" canard is so lame. If you and I both agree as to what we believe to be the situation today, then tomorrow am I a "liar", the only liar, when the situation turns out to be somewhat different? Whether or not there were WMD (I believe there were) there were abundant reasons for removing that bastard.
Even if you didn't initially favor invading Iraq (I didn't either) do you not see what a disaster it would be now for the U.S. if we fail to bring freedom, peace, and stability to the Middle East? Our boys would have died in vain. Our country is at war and it is unpatriotic and spiteful to yearn for our country to fail just to advance one's parochial political agenda. teddy kennedy demanded that our troops be withdrawn just days before the first Iraqi election. Despicable. Today our troops are needed in the Middle East a hell of a lot more than they are needed in Germany or elsewhere.
By the way, it would never occur to me to stop loving my country, simply because a dhimmicrat was temporarily in the White House. Republicans didn't pout and rant about bogus elections and call clinton "hitler" when he brought the fight to milosevic. Of course it is up to the opposition party to keep the other party honest and expose corruption if it exists. But it is shameful to undermine national security in wartime just to score a couple political points.
As for my “running away”, as someone suggested, this is proly wishful thinking on his part. But since I don’t have a lot of time to spend here I will carefully choose to whom to respond. Those nerds without lives who apparently live here 24/7, using transparent lies and irrelevant adolescent insults to support their liberal agendas, are not worthy of anything more than a scroll by. However Kirk12 you appear to be a worthy and honorable opponent who admits errors and who is genuinely interested in discovering the truth regardless of where it leads (my saying this will proly tar you for life with your liberal buddies, bwahaha). But if you can prove anything I have said is inaccurate, I will also graciously admit the same. Good luck.
Demon Worf said
ReplyDelete" Now what the hell am I supposed to do?"
Accept your fate and quit whining.
And why is your tail spinning?
Additionally, judging from the look on your face, things cant be all that bad down there.....looks like you got the top grill.....congratulations!
Mike
ReplyDeleteWe really enjoyed the Happy Days reunion.....maybe your right?
Larry was super cool & funny.
Also, if the Bionic Man can defeat a huge sasquatch from outer space, then infiltrating Iraq and ripping Saddams turban would have been a piece of cake for him.
Kirk
ReplyDelete" IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE!"
Darth Vader
:D
Freedom Fan said "Now your turn. Since you concede my point about the danger to the world represented by saddam, did you support Gulf I? How about invading Afghanistan to remove the decadent taliban and usama's terror support system?"
ReplyDeleteWow heres a historic moment, I actually agree with FF about something, yes I did support Gulf 1 and rooting out the Taliban in Afghanistan. As for saying people who dont blindly agree with the president dont love their country and are spewing a democratic agenda, thats garbage I am not even a registered Democrat and I have every right to question and disagree with my president, if you truly believe this then you are a very deluded person, and its not me with the agenda my little green friend.
Is Lydia going to be on Dancing with The Stars?
ReplyDeleteFReedon Fan said "Even if you didn't initially favor invading Iraq (I didn't either)"
ReplyDeleteThats what Dubbya and your fellow Right Wingers would call a flip flopper son, you were against the war before you decided you were for it. :D
Mike
Worfeus said "As for who you choose to respond to, I think there is a better formula to determine who you choose to respond to.
ReplyDeleteWhenever someone demonstrates how full of crap you are, you then choose to not respond, and just sorta disappear."
Right on the money Worf.
as for your business, you got anymore openings?, I want to keep your hours :D, just kidding buddy, its pretty obvious that your a very smart and hard working guy just by the thought, attention to detail and research that go into your posts. I'm glad your here, even if you are from DC, I wont hold that against you :D
This gif Worf, represents you defending yourself and Lydia against republicans since November, or me against all the fake christians in my life? :D
ReplyDeleteI dont know Worf, Voltaire has been hanging around for awhile and he has been reasonably civil; hes kinda funny too.
ReplyDeleteI think its important to hear the other side.
As for the walls tumblin down....maybe there is a little light in the forest
ReplyDeleteMan, you really are a devil.
ReplyDeleteI am not American ,therefore, I have no right to judge your passion about how you feel for your country.
ReplyDeleteI havent missed Colbert or Stewart once this week. I swear Colbert looks tired?
ReplyDeleteLets keep our fingers crossed!
ReplyDeleteI didnt like his skit making fun of Jimmy Carter. But, I still like him.
ReplyDeleteWonder what happened to Eric...seems a little strange he completely disappeared...hope hes alright.
ReplyDeleteMaybe he spilled a Molson on his computer?
BTW Demon Worf, you have never mentioned your favourite episode of TCFC?
ReplyDelete8 ABRAMOFF and BUSH PHOTOS JUST RELEASED!! Bush said he never met Abramoff, but these photos tell the truth. Abramoff is alone just sitting with Bush, hanging out in one. At the museum in another.
ReplyDeleteWHO IS THE ANGEL THAT RELEASED THESE !! FINALLY THE EVIL MAY BE BROUGHT DOWN!!
Hey Johnny, your back, havent seen much of you this week.
ReplyDeleteWorfeus whats with the new animated pic, and I was going to ask if you were going to be reincarnated around Easter time.
Worf said
ReplyDeleteOh, was there dialogue?
5:17 PM
LOL :D
Mike said
ReplyDelete"Hey Johnny, your back, havent seen much of you this week."
Well Mike, I was having fun reading excellent posts from everyone.
You should get a pic-just follow what Worf said in the previous blog.
BTW Mike, may I ask how well you did at the poker/superbowl party?
ReplyDeleteI was thinking i should find myself a pic also.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Superbowl, my square numbers didnt hit, and in poker I was chip leader for about half the night and doing quite well till I had a brain meltdown, thought we were playing a different game, i guess I'll blame it on the alcohol, I came back pretty good though and was about even by the end of the night.
Everyone knows you have to drink alcohol when playing poker...thats half the fun.
ReplyDeleteThe brain meltdown is from posting on Lydias blog; everybody has suffered from this.
Well, breaking even is better than losing....I cleaned out a buddy of his entire rent & grocery money. However, I gave it back to him but, not before I rubbed it in real good.
Mike
ReplyDeleteFind a pic you like, right click, and then select Save Image As. Go to tinypic.com and select browse to find the pic on your computer.
After this press Host Image - you should see your image come up if successful. Now write down the link provided to the right of the page and transfer this to your profile.
A pic or gif cannot exceed 50 K.
ok Johnny or worf, how do I get the picture up, apparently your posts about it in the last blog got deleted when we had all that trouble with the hacker last week.
ReplyDeletewhere do I send the pic, and how do I upload it, I dont have any kind of FTP program on my computer??
What to I paste into my profile, the Url, the link, or the img, theres like 4 different things????
ReplyDeleteMike
ReplyDeleteThe link.
Sorry guys, I was just on a 3 hour tour
ReplyDeleteyour talking about all my favorite shows
ReplyDeleteyou lost me with the nanny, I thought I knew what you were talking about, but I guess not
ReplyDeleteI liked monroe, in fact I thought the whole cast was great, but the main reasons I watched were Lydia and to a lesser extent Ted, I thought Ted was hillarious.
ReplyDeleteShe doesnt do much for me, and that voice is like nails on the blackboard
ReplyDeleteand Gilligan, I bet I watched each episode at least 40 times
ReplyDeletethrees company had a great cast also but ritter was clearly the star, he was hillarious also
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ReplyDeletedidnt you torture our little green friend enough the last few days.
ReplyDeletecall who??
ReplyDeletewell if you got a job to do, you may as well do it well, and you have the last few days.
ReplyDeleteKind of funny how frightened fighter wont respond to or answer any of the points either of us have raised over the last month
I saw that earlier today
ReplyDeletethats why I said the Bush Administration painted themselves in a corner, because if they cut social programs like Medicaid/Medicare and education to pay for their war, people will remember that come election time.
ReplyDeleteI guess kind of the same reason you deleted some of your posts when you really put one of the trolls in their place, I didnt think I said anything inappropriate or bad, in fact if some one asked me i'd tell them what I said, I just figured i'd be nice and delete them so Lydia didnt have to see 10 posts of the men's show on the board.
ReplyDeleteI realize that I probably made it look obscene or like I said something wrong by deleting them, but oh well
what do you think of my pic, originally I had some really cool ones but they were way to big so I finally settled on this one.
ReplyDeletethen I come back and you guys are discussing my favorite old tv shows.
I need the booze to stay warm :D
ReplyDeleteactually I think i'm going to wimp out and turn the heat on, its supposed to go down to 20 degrees here the next two nights.
Worfeus said:
ReplyDelete"I only remember Munroes name just because it was so damn annoying that he never put the moves on either the daughters.
I would have talked them into smooching each other :D
I'd be like, come on girls, it's ok. You're sisters." :|
LOL :D LOL
You really are the devil Demon Worf.
You should not imagine such evil thoughts of the flesh :D
Mike said:
ReplyDelete"I didnt think I said anything inappropriate or bad, in fact if some one asked me i'd tell them what I said,"...
Well, Im askin ya Mike?
I hope you werent having evil thought of the flesh as well :D
Maybe I should improve my policy....afterall, I am the "Minister of Wine & Chix"
ReplyDeleteok Johnny, i'll post what I said tonight after work.
ReplyDeleteMike
ReplyDeleteOhhhhhh..goody.....I cant wait! :D
P.S. No CHEATIN
true, you didnt miss much, I didnt say anything bad, and Worf's right I called more attention to our banter and prolly made it appear like I said something bad when I really didnt by deleting the posts.
ReplyDeleteMike
Bummer man! I wanted to hear some juicy talk from someone who may have had one to many wobbly's :|
ReplyDeleteOh well! I am, however, still interested in Mikes deleted posts.
Dana Plato in Different Strokes was stunning; she drove me crazy.
I think Lydia may be prettier though?
Deborah was smokin hot too!
Suzanne Sommers, Catherine Bach, and Tina Louise, virtually did nothing for me. Too fake!
Mary Ann is more my style :D
Molly Ringwold would be nice to take out on a date as well.
ReplyDeleteElizabeth Shue.....Shes hot as well :D
ReplyDeleteShelley Long would be alright.. if you could shove a sock in her mouth.
ReplyDeleteI would gladly give them all up though for Pam... a girl I liked enormously in high school.
ReplyDeleteI'll shall never forget how we sat on that bench and ate that bluberry/raspberry Flaky together.
Too bad the world deemed she was to good for me at that particular time :|
Actually, I think it was a blueberry or raspbery flavoured Flaky filled with cream.
ReplyDeleteI dont want Demon Worf googlin when flavours of Flaky's were invented :D
Agent Smith :
ReplyDelete"Mr. Anderson, why? Why? Why do you do it? Why? Why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something, for more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom, or truth, perhaps peace? Could it be for love?
Illusions, Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception, temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose.
Although... Only a human mind can invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson, you must know it by now. You can't win, it is pointless to keep fighting. Why, Mr. Anderson, why, why do you persist?"
Neo: "Because I choose too."
Worf my brave friend :
ReplyDeleteYour kinda right. Good cannot exist without evil, nor can evil exist without good.
Merovingian:
ReplyDeleteBut this is not a reason, this is not a `why.' The Keymaker himself, his very nature, is means, it is not an end, and so, to look for him is to be looking for a means to do... what?
Neo: You know the answer to that question.
Merovingian: But do you? You think you do but you do not. You are here because you were sent here, you were told to come here and you obeyed. It is, of course, the way of all things. You see, there is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth: causality. Action. Reaction. Cause and effect.
Morpheus: Everything begins with choice.
Merovingian: No. Wrong. Choice is an illusion, created between those with power, and those without.
Moooo.... :D
ReplyDeleteBoth Worf, both :D
ReplyDeleteI am undefeated champion of truth.
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteremind me next time I write a really long post to do it in word first then paste it into the blog. well back to the drawing board, i'll have that post for you soon.
Sorry Worf, it is quite impossible for me to answer any of these questions.
ReplyDeleteIntelligent surmise on your part though.
Worfeus said "My moneys on Russia. After all, Putin did tell us to go to hell this week."
ReplyDeleteDid he really say that, why???
Ok Johnny I kind of figured you’d ask to hear my stupid post from last night, I’ll give you the context of what I said last night,
ReplyDeleteand clarify what I meant in a little more detail.
Worf and I were talking about shows we liked in the 70s and 80's and I said that right before
Christmas I got into a discussion at work about how actresses were more attractive in the late
1970's- early 1980's because they were real women back then instead of half silicon and plastic
with boobs that look like they were inflated with 80 pounds of air apiece. I just don’t find that
look attractive, I’m not completely against plastic surgery, if a woman is really flat and has no
curves I think its ok, or if she wants them a little bigger to where you still wonder if they are real
then I think that’s attractive, also face lifts or removing scars or blemishes are ok, but I’m not a
fan of this fad Hollywood is ramming down our throats on WWE and all the reality shows that
women need boobs that are inflated with enough air for them to float onto orbit to be attractive or
make it on tv. Now having said that I realize its their bodies and if they are actually happy with
this look then good for them, but I don’t find it attractive, I also don’t like the half starved look
we are seeing more of lately, I used to think Kelly Ripa was pretty attractive until she went with
that scrawny half starved look.
Worf then said that the only reason he watched TCFC, Threes Company, Charlie’s Angels and
Gilligans Island was for the beautiful Women. I said that while I agree that was the only reason I
watched Charlie’s Angels and Wonder Woman, the others I watched for a variety of reasons.
While I think the girls on Three’s Company and Gilligan’s Island were fairly attractive, I watched
them for the comedy and the story. Suzanne Sommers didnt do that much for me back then, but I
think she’s one of those rare people that has actually gotten more attractive as she got older.
As for TCFC, Lydia was definitely my favorite, and Ted to a lesser extent because he was
hillarious, but as I said before I thought the whole cast was fantastic, and liked the story and
comedy as well.. Lydia was absolutely gorgeous and still is just as beautiful, but that wasnt the
only reason I watched the show, I read a TV Guide interview featuring Lydia back then and saw
her on some other shows, like when she hosted New Years Rockin Eve and just thought she was
a really cool, nice and intelligent person, and even though she played a blond character (although
not a total ditz like Suzanne Sommers character) I think a little bit of her personality actually
shone through the character and thats why I liked her so much. Its funny, I was only like 10 or 11
at the time, but I still remember all this stuff. Back then I’d probably say Lydia was my favorite
actress, as I cant think of one I liked more, I’m looking forward to reading her book about her
hollywood experiences, because I thought she was a total package and could have had a great
movie or film career if thats what she wanted, I look at Reese Witherspoon, Alicia Siverstone or
Julia Roberts, and think she could have been at least as successful as them, then I look the few
older women that are still around like Heather Locklear, Demi Moore, and the girls on desperate
house wives who made comebacks and I think Lydia has the talent, looks and personality to still
be on tv also if she wanted to. It is kind of funny though there really hasnt been that many
opportunities for women over 30 although that appears to be improving slightly. Lydia seems
really happy though and that’s really more important than being famous or being on tv. I’m not
trying to appear condescending, or minimize what she went through, I’m sure Lydia had some
bad experiences in hollywood, and i’m looking forward to learning more about her and reading
about then in her book
Now these were some shows I watched for the beautiful women and the action like Dukes of
Hazzard, Fall Guy, BJ and The Bear, Buck Rogers, Vegas. Catherine Bach had an incredible
body, but I watched Dukes of Hazzard for the Car chases, action, stories and I liked the whole
cast also.
Worf, I wasnt sure you were talking about the new nanny show or the Fran Dresher one, either
way, they do nothing for me, same goes for Molly Ringwald and Dana Plato, Sorry
Johnny.Although my highschool reunion is coming up and I’m looking forward to seeing what
everyone looks like.
Worf your right Lydia’s not a nun and she probably wouldnt have been offended, she works in the
entertainment industry and knows how it works and has a sense of humor, in fact after thinking
about the blurb for Venus Conspiracy on her home page what I said isnt that different from what
she thinks, still I didnt want to offend her or make her or any other women that come here
uncomfortable, and thats why I deleted them, I had good intentions although I probably drew
more attention to the posts by doing that, I’ll have to remember that trick when I want someone
to notice what I have to say, just delete a bunch of short stupid posts to get peoples attention then
say the important stuff.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program!
Allright Worf, now I got a question for you, what kind of motorcycle did you ride in the 70's, was it a Harley, or one of those mean Kawasaki H2 or Mach 3 2 stroke triples or one of the old z1's.
ReplyDeletemotorcycles, women and raising Hell, a man aftermy own heart. Man I think if I grew up with you or Lydia we would have been good friends, we think a lot alike. (just like you said about Bill Maher)
Johnny, i'd like to come up to Toronto and see my family and have a beer with you when I visit Buffalo this Summer, but my source transportation is my motorcycle, and I have bad memories of motorcycles on the QEW.
ReplyDeleteI was in car with my girl friend some buddies and her friend driving to Toronto for a concert, and I was doing about 100MPH which isnt THAT fast on the QEW, (thats a race road) when a honda 750 Interceptor motorcycle raced by at around 140 or so like I was standing still, then right when we get to the outskirts of Toronto there is a huge traffic jam and traffic is at a standstill for almost an hour finally when we just get into the city I start finding parts of motorcycle for close to a mile, finally I see start to see blood and whats left of the like, then I see what appears to be the guys helmut, and after a closer look I notice that the guys head is still inside the helmut, yeah, the poor guy got decapitated. needless to say, I needed another cold Canadian beer to wash that sight from my mind. So needless to say i'm a little hesitant to ride the cycle to Toronto.
did you repost those, or is the board getting all screwy again
ReplyDeleteSo why did Putin say that, what happened
ReplyDeletewhy whats up??
ReplyDeleteit's a simple concept but hard for many people to do....
ReplyDeleteLearn to start mind before running mouth
unless you live under a loveable dictator who will take care of all your needs .. or his own needs ;(
Mike - thank you for the wonderful post. I really liked it.
ReplyDeleteHey - Worf I've been writing like a college maniac, all day. Just read the entire SKULL and BONES history of the Yale Secret society; I'm sure you know about this, but now our world is beginning to make sense: this is the New World Order. everything You have to read the 60 minutes coverage and the Esquire article on George Bush, his father and all the powerful men in SKULL AND BONES. John Kerry is a bonesman too; no wonder he caved so quickly after the election.
check out this websiste: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm
Even back in 1996, they predicted the government would control electronic voting.
Mike, this next year I'm coming back on Tv and films. You're right about how they treat women -- I didn't have the thick skin to withstand the horrible process of being demeaned and degraded back then. After a sitcom or series you have to have the right manager, lover and focused blind ambition to be allowed back on TV after being typecast. Farrah Fawcett had to do "Burning Bed" in order to be taken seriously. But I wanted to have children and write my own comedy, which will be next after all this serious political stuff. I was incredibly shy; it was a soul-killing business But now I feel differently. They treat you like dirt as an actress, playing hooker roles, etc. I can't believe I went on an audition for a series created by Howard Stern a few years ago the episode was called "The Phantom Dildo". I didn't want to be sleazy and that's all they were offering.
ReplyDeleteWorf, I apologize, I can be a little thick at times, I think the cold numbed my brain, I just turned on the heat though. I get what you were trying to say now, I thought you were just messing around, I didnt really take the time to think about what you said in the context of your original post, I thought you were just joking around. sorry if I pissed you off, I agree with the point you were making that went right over my head, and hope to discuss it with you further the next few days.
ReplyDeleteI can tell how busy you are Lydia, I worked extremely hard to put myself through college and know what its like to come up for a breath of air and get right back to work.
ReplyDeleteI look forward to checking out all your current and future projects. I can respect your wanting to live your live your way, thats how i've always lived mine as well. It makes sense to kind of find a niche writing and producing while the kids are young so you have more control of your time and then branch out to other pet projects that have been on the backburner later. good luck
Everything they said is coming true. This has been planned for a long time.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.freedomdomain.com/secretsocieties/skull01.html
Mike
ReplyDeleteWOW! Long post. Thanx for taking the time.
I completely agree with your boob analogy...very funny. I am not a fan of giant knockers myself.
As for Wonder Woman, Im with Worf. I always wondered what was behind her skimpy wonder suit.
I think Lydia's & Dana's bodies were far superior than Catherine Bachs; she seemed a little husky to me. The skinnier, the better.
As well as Marilyn Monroes biography, I also read Sondra Lockes....Hollywood is a cutthroat scene. I too wish Lydia the best of luck.
LOL Mike, cant say I blame ya for lik'in Lydia as a ten year old :D
Winona Ryder can eat crackers, cookies, and chips in my bed anytime :D
Ditto on the beer Mike; the 401 and QEW are never a picnic. Sorry you had to see heads laying around on your trip up here. Maybe you should take the same route that is indicated by your gif?
Lydia said
ReplyDelete"I can't believe I went on an audition for a series created by Howard Stern a few years ago the episode was called "The Phantom Dildo". I didn't want to be sleazy and that's all they were offering."
I'm glad you didnt Lydia :)
Worfeus Said "While the right drills home their message, the left makes idle "chit chat", and tries to appear reasonable."
ReplyDeleteI agree this has been going on for a while and it frustrates me too. Sorry if I contributed to the iddle chit chit last night at the expense of intelligent debate, I was just trying to oblige Johnny.
Worfeus Said "Maybe I should join the Repubs."?????
I think you've been down there a little too long we need to bring you back to the world of the living.
Demon Worf
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you. While your mission is 100 % jutified and intensely important to say the least, its not healthy to consistently focus on the darker side of politics. There has to be some pleasure talk occasionaly so as to keep a good perspective and balanced mind.
Ask Lydia if you dont believe me!
Stop being so crabby, afterall it is the weekend.
And didnt you say the walls are tumblin down...if true, its time to party man.
Gosh, if you guys are so up in arms about "Skull and Bones", I'd hate to see your response to the Bilderbergs or Trilateralists....lol
ReplyDeleteThe truth is out there....
I want to believe...
Stop it Mulder!
LOL
I do, however, understand completely where your coming from.
ReplyDeleteWhen you got the enemy against the ropes, this is perhaps the best time to not let up, but hit harder.
I do like your Lucy Liu analogy; it hits home all to well.
Worf, I did not read your 11:36 pm post when I posted my 11:39 pm one.
ReplyDeleteWorf
ReplyDeleteEven freakier is I wrote that before even reading your 11:32 am post.
Quote:
ReplyDeleteLydia said...
Mike, this next year I'm coming back on Tv and films.
hey Lydia if I'm not being to nosey
in what ? :) can you say ?
I hear ya Worf, and Im with you on this one.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should go Republican and start hanging around Coulter? :|
Nah, Im too loyal to Lydia.
I feel let down as well, and actually felt very happy when you said the walls are tumblin down.....but dont give up.....your starting to sound a little serious.
ReplyDeleteAnd you know very well you could wipe out Coulter in a debate....I vehemently believe this 100%.
Wrong! 150 %
A long time ago I said: "Ann coulter must be allowed to speak." The students were dumb and have no concept of the real world.
ReplyDeleteSounds like the "Church of the Gray Matter" should have more emphasis.
Ah man Worf, you beat me to the punch with the Cheney info.
ReplyDeleteClubber Lang, that was my favorite Rocky Movie!
Mike
Mike
ReplyDeleteWorf feels stabbed in the back right now and I dont blame him. He has devoted much energy into his cause.
Hes rightfully being crabby with us because of knucklehead Dems.
I wish I had an appropriate answer to offer him.
I understand your point and agree, the Dems have been wimps, i've said that many times before, at first I thought they were just always trying to take the high road also, now i'm starting to wonder if what you said in the previous blog that The right has some dirt on them isnt true.
ReplyDeleteBtw relax and chill out chill a little, i'm not one of the bad guys, i'll try to stay on point though from now on.
Mike
Worf
ReplyDeleteI have a confession.
Lil Miss moo moo is always laughing at your posts and thinks your intelligently funny. If you werent an old goat, I would allow you to date her :D
Dont lose me man.
Additionaly, Neo could easily crush your Little demon butt :D
Okay Worf, give up! You win! I have no answers to this illogical dilema. Even if I did , no one would listen.
ReplyDeleteI know better than anyone its all F#@$%&
ATTENTION DEMOCRATS!
ReplyDeleteYou are pussies who need to show more strength of characther at well judged critical points in time; be more like Ann Coulter.
Happy Worf....anything else I can do to change the ant farm for you... with everlasting affects?
LOL :D
ReplyDeleteYou said that before and I like it.
ReplyDelete3:13 pm post
LIL Miss moo moo told me to tell you that she thinks your ugly now.
ReplyDeleteI like your new look and do not share her opinion.
I am quite unable to tell her sorry for someone who has put intoxicating effort into their cause.
ReplyDeleteSometimes we have a right to be pissed.....PERIOD.
No one in this room is more deserving for a free aoutgraphed book of Lydia's life story than you.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think Lydia?
If I have to, Ill pay for for it myself.
I will never forget, until my dying day, your battle with Stevie.
ReplyDeleteYou still here johnny?
ReplyDeleteI understand the frustration, I thought I was the cynical,one here. I agree the Dems have been Complete wimps, i've said that for a long time, but i'm finally starting to see some signs of life from them, sure we need them to be more forceful and call these guys on their BS instead of just letting it slide, but i'm hoping they have just lost their way and need to get back on track, and I think even if we help in a small way its a good thing. we've had some interesting debates and I think shed a lot of light onto whats going on, and if one of us Gives Lydia and idea that she puts in her book or speaks out on, or if one of our ideas circulates to other blogs and eventually makes it to some influential Democrats or people with power and influence and they use it to help stop these Megalomanics, then I think we did some good. The wheels of change move slow at first, thats called inertia, but the biggest feat of all is getting them moving in the first place so they can gain momentum, and I think we are seeing that now.
Johnny care to fill me in on the battle with stevie, what blog was it in??
ReplyDeleteWorfeus said "Because the DNC puts dean on the least watched Sunday morning show up against Meet the Press and This Week."
ReplyDeleteDo you think the DNC is the problem and they either lack cohesion and/or they dont want the message to get out, or do you think it is more a result of the Right gaining control over the media and trying to surpress this stuff??
I think it could be a good time for some one with principle's to actually take the reigns and show some leadership and lead us in a new direction. Dean could be the guy, he had my support until that riddiculous hoot, after that I thought he was a flake and just couldnt vote for him. Which looking back is a shame because if what you say about them filtering out all the background noise and amplifying his hoot to make him look like an idiot is true which I think it is then it worked like a charm. What bothers me is the Democrats didnt even rally behind him or call the dirty tactics they just layed down, then Kerry waged the most pitiful campaign i've ever seen, it was actually painfull to watch, he could have made bush look like the lying power mad hippocrite he really is and he chose not to.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think Lydia was trying to say about Kerry being in the Skull and Bones like Bush, do you think Kerry purposely laid down to Bush, or was his campaign really that clueless.
Sorry about the Skull and bones question, I didnt see your response when I was writing my post.
ReplyDeleteDo you think there is anything to what I said that slowly people are waking up to whats going on and the Dems will gain momemtum and become more enboldened and start fighting hard to take our country back. Its kind of funny I always thought of my self as the cynical more pessimistic one, and it seems like we reversed roles a little and i'm slightly more optomistic at what i'm starting to see. Do you think there is a chance Cheney could be removed or Bush impeached???
The Gun incident really makes Cheney look like more of a bungling idiot than he allready did.
Hey! All dems ain't wimps!
ReplyDeleteYou guys got Alan Colmes!
Thats the problem right there if the Dems united and found a decent candidate with a strong platform I really think they could win.
ReplyDeleteI mean look at all the corruption in the bush administration, plus his disdain and neglect not only for the poor but for our own country, how do you justify, New Orleans, or cutting domestic programs like education, medicaid and housing programs because you want to wage war and spend the money in another country. you cant because its not a defensible position and if the Dems would unite and start calling him on this and all the lies and corruption they have a great chance of taking back our country.
I think your right that Iran could be our Waterloo, I'm going to try and see if I can find the books I read about 2 years ago that discussed Iran's ties with Russia and China, I know China is their ally because of their oil, but Russia doesnt need their oil, so i'm curious as to wether Russia is their ally because of their long standing relationship or to thwart and aggravate us, or if there is some more coherent and legitimate reason, I simply cant remember.
ReplyDeleteI was well aware that Russia and Iran were buddies and allies, just couldnt remember exactly why.
ReplyDeleteHow about this question what do you think Iran's motivations are to acquire nukes, is it to stick their thumb in our eye and tell us we couldnt stop them from getting them or is it to actually use on israel, or to they just want to have them to increase their stature and walk softly but carry a big stick?
Interesting, and makes alot of sense, you very well could be right, Russia could be egging them on to tweak our nose and sucker us into picking a fight.
ReplyDeleteThe best thing for us would be to develop an alternate form of energy or help Canada develop their tar sands in Alberta so the Middle Easts oil will be irrelevant to us. then we can either ignore them or form our own cartel and start selling them water for $80 a barrel.
ReplyDeleteThe people in that pole must not have been very intelligent, wonder if Dick Cheney conducted that pole,lets see a guy who shoots his own buddy, now there's a guy I trust to lead our country, lets see i'd follow him to war(not!!!), just not to closely he might shoot me in the back. Oh I forgot Cheney doesnt have the courage to go to war and fight people who shoot back, he hides in rabbit holes and tells others to be brave when the action heats up.
ReplyDeleteBTW Going into Iran would be the biggest mistake this country ever made.
BTW, good thing Cheney had a gun and not a knife, things really could have been ugly. :D
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
ReplyDelete-George S. Patton
It's what they taught me in officer school back in the late 70's and it works .. in war and business
ps all that screamin they do in basic well it gives you a tough skin some of you guys should go for it
Russia likes Iran cause they re-sell their oil to western countries that have banned it.. opps another secret let go
The first practical Fusion reactor to go online in France in the next few years will mean non oil energy with no polution (hydrogen based economy)
look it up on the internet
As Rushde has said , till the Islamic religion gets a well deserved facelift , it's been 600 years, and the middle east is a more peacefull and understanding place,
these acts of violence will continue
George
not the W guy
Even a liberal like Clinton tried to get Osamam with cruise missles ,
ReplyDeletebut wasn't fast enough on the triger-- could have avoided 9/11, maybe
Actually if the Titanic had steered straight into the iceberg it may have had a better chance to survive..
ReplyDeleteonly the forward compartment would have flooded...
what if what if
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A congressional report to be released this week slams the government's response to Hurricane Katrina, calling it a "failure of leadership" that left people stranded when they were most in need.
ReplyDelete"Our investigation revealed that Katrina was a national failure, an abdication of the most solemn obligation to provide for the common welfare," the report says. "At every level -- individual, corporate, philanthropic and governmental -- we failed to meet the challenge that was Katrina. In this cautionary tale, all the little pigs built houses of straw."
CNN obtained advance excerpts from a draft of the lengthy report titled "Failure of Initiative," which gives 90 recommendations for changes in the wake of the Katrina disaster.
The report is the result of a Republican 11-member House select committee that investigated the response to Katrina at all levels -- local, state and federal.
read the next post to see how the Bush administration chooses to respond to this scathing report
Hurricane Center cuts outrage safety officials
ReplyDeleteMIAMI - Outraged by a 25 percent staff cut at the National Hurricane Center, state officials are predicting dire consequences for the public and another busy year after record, back-to-back storm seasons.
"It's criminal," said Billy Wagner, emergency management director for the Florida Keys. "I can't believe that they can't understand ... the chance of losing many lives in a rapidly-developing system."
The cutbacks at the nation's leading tropical weather forecast agency are needed to meet a $27.5 million budget reduction mandated by Congress, National Weather Service Director Joe Friday said in Washington.
Twelve of 50 jobs will be lost through retirements and layoffs, requiring less-frequent updates of developing tropical weather systems, although managers said they will bring in workers on overtime when hurricanes threaten the USA.
"That's sort of like saying we'll have one person at the fire station," said Bob Sheets, a former director of the center, "and if a fire breaks out, we'll see if we can get enough people in."
yeah thats the Repubs quick knee jerk response, layoff all the people who give the early warnings, so it will be easier to shift the blame to them when another disater strikes instead of actually solving the problem. I feel real safe with guys in charge who shoot their buddies and instead of helping our own citizens and country are obsessed with spending our money killing people and stirring up trouble on the other side of the world.
BTW Kirk that was a great post, I was going to respond till I saw what you wrote. i liked your iceberg/Titantic analogy, these guys are not great thinkers or planners and your right all it is is 'full steam ahead' now being decesive and tenacious can be good if you are right, but if you are wrong and stubbornly refuse to take new facts into account and weigh new information and alter your course based on that information then you are just a stubborn pigheaded idiot that will eventually lead the ship into the iceberg or blindly lead all the troops right off the edge of a cliff. Unfortunately what I see today is the latter.
ReplyDeleteDo you believe the arrogance of this administration? after taking all this heat for their response to Katrina, they cut the staffing at the National Hurricaine Center in miami by 25%, yeah thats a great quick response. its tunnel vision, all Bush and co cares about is their war, and I hope it comes back to bites them at election time.
ReplyDeleteMike said;
ReplyDeleteDo you believe the arrogance of this administration?
I don't even believe the arrogance of Voltaire, implying that these chuckleheads think and act fast.
Of course Dubya thought Brownie was doing a heckuva job, so it's not suprising.
quote
ReplyDeleteAnd after the forward compartment had flooded above the watertight line (e deck?)..... then the "ice cube tray" would have filled up and down she goes.
And why would this be true ?
she was designed to be watertight even if one compartment got filled, like a multibox container
look at the ship that sliced the Andrea dora , its whole front end was destroyed , yet it sailed into port,
No problem, we all get frustrated and aggravated at times, it happens to the best of us.
ReplyDeleteBTW, that was the other reason I started deleting posts that night, because although there is nothing wrong with a little off topic banter and joking, I felt more than half the night was just silly chit chat and I didnt want to clutter up the board and make it difficult for people to follow interesting threads and legitimate discussion. Next time I stray of topic excessively like that just shoot me, but PLEASE dont use a knife or accuse me of being a secret Neo Con. :D
as for the Rights Christian Empathy for our own citizens and the poor, I think the following literary quotes pretty much sums up their position.
ReplyDelete"Let Them Eat Cake"
"Let them Hurry Up and Die and Decrease The Surplus Population"
particulary the second one since they seem to be so fond of war and killing, maybe the Right can use that as a bumper sticker for the next election.
The Democrats have so much material they can call these guys on for the next election, its shame on them if they dont use it to take back our country from these currupt scheming hippocrites.
ReplyDelete(CNN)Feb 13 -- Americans are nervous about the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran, but also worry about the ability of the United States and the United Nations to deal with the situation, a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday suggests.
ReplyDeleteThe 1,000 adults who responded to the telephone poll taken between Thursday and Sunday said they fear the Bush administration will be too quick to use military force if diplomacy fails, and at the same time are concerned the administration won't do enough to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Party Chairman Howard Dean said Monday that Vice President Cheney should resign if he ordered a top aide to leak classified information to the media to defend the invasion of Iraq.
ReplyDelete"If Vice President Cheney has, in fact, ordered the leaking of political information -- of intelligence information, that means he has to step aside," Dean said on CNN. "We don't know if it's true, but he has been accused of it. If it's true, he has to step aside."
Dean initially called for Cheney's resignation when he appeared on CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday. "I don't think the vice president has any credibility on national security whatsoever, and I think he's in deep trouble," Dean said on CBS.
Court documents do not identify Libby's superiors. But Dean said on CNN, "You only have one superior if you're the chief of staff and that's the vice president."
In other words, people are losing confidence in this administration and starting to see them for the bungling pack of liars they really are.
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