We are here
to learn to love.
Before we get to today's topic and update on Michael Jackson's new autopsy, I would like to take a moment to say that I'm in shock at the news this morning that Billy Mays died. He is the OxyClean pitchman. My son happens to love his Discovery Channel show "Pitchmen." He was only 50.Mays was one of the passengers aboard a plane that blew a tire and landed very roughly at Tampa International Airport yesterday. He told a local FOX affiliate he was hit on the hard on the head by falling items. Apparently he told his wife he didn't feel well when he went to bed.
So far, in the recent past we've lost: Paul Newman, Heath Ledger, Natasha Richardson, David Carradine, Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, Michael Jackson, Anna Nicole Smith, James Baker Hall, poet, Kentucky Laureate; Bob May (Robot from Lost in Space) Huey Long (The Ink Spots, 105 years old!) ....who else? Please leave comments.
I still can't get over the death of John Ritter, Walter Matthau, Jack Lemon or Peter Sellers!
And of course, my sweet brother. I had a dream about him not long ago — and he was totally healed, radiant as if he had been put back together. I had never dreamed about him since he died. But this dream was so real, I reached out and said "You're healed. Your heart is healed. You look great, you're alive!" And he grinned and said, "Yes, I'm fine now."
I had found his body on December 1, 1995. This was more than a dream.
Doesn't this make you think that life is precious? There is so much to see and do, so much beauty in the world. It sounds cliche, but we have to make the most of every single day, every moment. Grab life and live your dreams. Do what you really want to do in your heart.
I do not believe in death, I really think we are here to learn to love.
Go for your dreams. Cherish your loved ones. Find the gifts inside you and use them now. Life is short, art is long.
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DEA RENEWS WARNINGS ON PRESCRIPTION DRUG ABUSE.Update: Jackson family wanted to admit Michael to drugs clinic two weeks ago as he was danger to himself. New Fox Report: Michael's second autopsy reveals he was mixing various drugs: Demerol, Vicodin, Oxycontin, Dilaudid, and more...
WASHINGTON (AFP) — Amid questions about the possible role of drugs in Michael Jackson's demise, the US Drug Enforcement Administration Friday renewed concerns about rising deaths from misuse of prescription pills.
It warned that more people died from drug abuse than in shootings, and in the category of accidental deaths it came only second to car accidents.
The overuse of prescription pain-killers, stimulants or tranquilizers — either opium-based or synthetically manufactured — is on the rise in the United States.
In 2005, the last year for which figures are available, there were more than 8,500 deaths nationwide, an increase of 114 percent on 2001.
Hospital admissions due to an overdose of such drugs leapt 74 percent from 2002 to 2006, and emergency room visits were up 39 percent, the DEA said.
Most of those needing treatment were aged between 18 to 25, the agency added, and said that between 2003 to 2007 some six percent of Americans in that age group had admitted using prescription drugs for non-medical uses. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j5swrIt6MmiD52e27apQjYRr24SQ
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MORE ON MICHAEL JACKSON:
Michael Jackson's family were so concerned about his addiction to powerful painkillers they considered forcibly admitting him to a rehabilitation clinic just two weeks before he died.
The plan - which would have involved psychiatrists trying to convince a judge he was a danger to himself and others - was abandoned only because of Jackson's resistance, and the overwhelming pressure to fulfil his concert commitments in London.
Instead, he agreed to consult a controversial therapist known as 'Doc Hollywood' and to allow a 'sober coach' to accompany him to Britain, to stay with him constantly to try to wean him off drugs. By CAROLINE GRAHAM Daily Mail, UK
Today's quote: “Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.” George Carlin
The plan - which would have involved psychiatrists trying to convince a judge he was a danger to himself and others - was abandoned only because of Jackson's resistance, and the overwhelming pressure to fulfil his concert commitments in London.
Instead, he agreed to consult a controversial therapist known as 'Doc Hollywood' and to allow a 'sober coach' to accompany him to Britain, to stay with him constantly to try to wean him off drugs. By CAROLINE GRAHAM Daily Mail, UK
Go for your dreams. Cherish your loved ones. Find the gifts inside you and use them now. Life is short, art is long.
Today's quote: “Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.” George Carlin
Great reminder. I'm sorry about your brother. A lot of drug deaths. its an epidemic here. Heath Ledger too.
ReplyDeleteGreat post............life is precious and we need to make the most of every day!
ReplyDeleteAaron Spelling died right around the same time Anna Nicole did I think.
ReplyDeleteHey, so whaddya think of Obama's clean energy act? It got stripped of all the important stuff.
ReplyDeleteDid someone tell MJ to Beat It?
ReplyDeleteWell I guess he's just HIStory.
ReplyDeleteSay hello to the newest senator in the United States;
ReplyDeleteSenator Al Franken of Minnesota
Yep the Minnesota Supreme Court just ruled that Al Franken is Minnesota's Senator..............say hello to National Healthcare...........and MORE repug irrelevance!
ReplyDeleteBlue-Dogs (Nelson, Landrieu, Bayh, Lincoln, Conrad, Baucus, Byrd, etc.) are becoming increasingly nervous these days. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama had to scale back a tad on some of his initiatives.
ReplyDeleteNice concern trolling there
ReplyDeleteSorry Concern troll..............but National Health care with a government option will get rammed through whether the repuggies like it or not.
ReplyDeleteNational health care is different from a government option. The former I take to mean a single payer system. Obama isn't even pushing for that. And, like I said, the problem (for Obama) may not necessarily come from the minority party. A lot of those blue-dog Democrats come from red states and they're very worried about re-election. P.S. Mike, just because Clif has to affix a most mindless label to me, doesn't necessarily mean that you have to, too.
ReplyDeleteHey slick.............rest assured that I know the difference between Single Payer Government Healthcare and a government option...........however i'm going to KEEP mentioning Single Payer National Healthcare to let Congress KNOW thats what we REALLY want..........although at this point a government option would be worlds better than what we have and a decent start.
ReplyDeleteOne last point the repug babbling and gobbledy gook about the government being incompetent and not being able to run ANYTHING better than private for profit business is BS (the last 8 years not withstanding)...........look at our military, our firefighters, police The VA, medicare etc....
Its amusing how the repuggie hippocrites say that the military, police fire fighters are neccessities and that critizing them EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE RUN BY THE EVIL GOVERNMENT is unpatriotic yet health care which is also a neccessity and is costing us millions of jobs and bankrupting millions of Americans and denying access to health care to millions of Americans is demonized, with inbred demogogery and framed as wasteful and unnessary................wonder if you repug IDIOTS would deem criticizing National Healthcare as "UNPATRIOTIC" once the government takes it over like 3/4 of Americans want.
Some things which are essentially to health, safety, National security etc... NEED to be left to government rather than greedy for profit corporations where the object is NOT to provide health care but to deny it to as many as possible to maximize profits and pad bonuses for the greedy CEO's and executives.
Oh and Volty you stated many times you are FOR putting things up for a vote to the people...........would you be for putting national healthcare up to a vote KNOWING that 3/4 of our country want it.
I used to work for the state of CT, Mike. It was awful. Incompetent people were (probably still are) constantly being promoted to positions of authority. The union was always insulating and protecting the most buffoonish amongst us (seriously, you couldn't fire ANYBODY). The police? Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how much corruption there is in most big city police departments? Even in my little town, I can't believe some of these guys wearing who are badges these days. Medicare? Medicare is going broke, Mike. Look, I'm not necessarily one of those people completely opposed to a single payer system. That may ultimately be the way we have to go. I just think that it should be the last resort.
ReplyDeleteFood is a necessity, also, Mike. Does that mean that the government should also take over Stop and Shop, Big Y, Winn Dixie, etc.?
ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteFood is a necessity, also, Mike. Does that mean that the government should also take over Stop and Shop, Big Y, Winn Dixie, etc.?"
Obviously you've Never heard of the FDA, or the USDA............but after the last 8 years after repug neutering of regulatory agencies designed to protect us and all the outbreaks of Salmonella, Ecoli, Mad Cow disease, Botulism etc.....thats understandable.
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ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
I used to work for the state of CT, Mike. It was awful. Incompetent people were (probably still are) constantly being promoted to positions of authority. The union was always insulating and protecting the most buffoonish amongst us (seriously, you couldn't fire ANYBODY). The police? Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how much corruption there is in most big city police departments? Even in my little town, I can't believe some of these guys wearing who are badges these days. Medicare? Medicare is going broke, Mike. Look, I'm not necessarily one of those people completely opposed to a single payer system. That may ultimately be the way we have to go. I just think that it should be the last resort."
Well Wil, i'm no fan of the Police either but privatizing them isnt the answer.
Your personal experience in CT notwithstanding..............I think our military does an EXCELLENT job far better than any privatized for profit corporation could do, same for our post office, Medicare, the VA................your boondoggle that because they are VASTLY underfunded due to trillions being squandered on a treasonous war of choice based on lies is laughable if it werent so pathetic.
Answer me this Will how is it we can squander TRILLIONS on a war of choice based on lies but its WASTING MOney to provide National Healthcare to everyone just like we provide a military, police and fire fighters, a basic education.
Maybe you should save time and just say NUH UH!........when we talk about National Healthcare since you are clearly aligned with the repugs if it is your LAST CHOICE on health care reform.
Single Payer National Healthcare SHOULD be the ONLY choice!
ReplyDeleteThe analogy that because these agencies are vastly underfunded they arent competitive and dont work is riddiculous................any division of a company that doesnt have sufficient capital to operate efficiently cant compete whether it is government run or for profit in the private sector..............thats another straw man boondoggle from the just SAY NO crowd!
ReplyDeleteI don't believe that I made any negative comments about the military, Mike. I'm sure where you came up with that. And, no,I don't think that the police should be privatized. I just brought it up because you cited it as an example of public sector efficiency. As for the Iraq War, I was against it a hell of a lot before Biden, Hillary, Dodd, etc. were. That is a complete straw-dog. And, Mike, it isn't just the Republicans who are nervous about this public option thing. You need to focus more on the Bayhs, Lincolns, Landrieus, Conrads, etc.. They're the ones who may ultimately sink this thing.
ReplyDeleteWill said "And, Mike, it isn't just the Republicans who are nervous about this public option thing. You need to focus more on the Bayhs, Lincolns, Landrieus, Conrads, etc.. They're the ones who may ultimately sink this thing."
ReplyDeleteIf they are against it then they NEED to be run over and crushed I dont give a crap who the "Just say no" assholes are although i'm SURE the overwhelming majority will be out of touch lying repug hippocrites.
"i'm SURE the overwhelming majority will be out of touch lying repug hippocrites."
ReplyDeleteif they are lying, they are not out of touch, are they?
and mike, i really hope they healthcare bill as written is not passed, not because i like the system as it is, but because having the government get its hands in there will only inflate costs. you keep saying we can opt out if we dont like it, but i will still have to pay for it, meaning i am not "opting out" of a whole lot, am i?
you guys still have not made any point to how the wait times will be handled when they come under the plan, meaning that you will be trading one faulty system for another, and in many cases not saving the people you hope to. just giving them a different excuse why it didnt work for them, but doing it with more taxpayer money.
i can opt out of calling the cops, driving on public roads, public schools for my kids, and social security benefits too, i still pay for them.
big k
Blogger Kevin said...
ReplyDelete"i'm SURE the overwhelming majority will be out of touch lying repug hippocrites."
if they are lying, they are not out of touch, are they?"
Uhh Newsflash Simple Simon..............lying and being out of touch with what the overwhelming majority of mainstream America wants are not mutally exclusive just take a look at the repug party.
Blogger Kevin said...
ReplyDelete"and mike, i really hope they healthcare bill as written is not passed, not because i like the system as it is"
Gee because Kevin likes Millions of people being "DENIED" access to affordable healthcare by a greedy for profit system where the very object of the system is to deny access to health care to increase profits we should just deny the will of the people and let the greedy insurance companies keep pushing jobs out of this country and allow them to dictate who can get health care and who lives and dies.
we should just do what Kevin wants like Elections and the will of the people dont matter 3/4 of America or like 230 MILLION people want National Health Care.............but they shouldnt get a say because Kevin and the backwash of America that he supports dont like it.
You can spend TRILLIONS on a treasonous war of choice based on lies and thats "PATRIOTIC".............but its wasteful to spend money on National Health Care.............sorry troll but elections matter...........time to go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on.
ReplyDeleteBlogger Kevin said..."because having the government get its hands in there will only inflate costs."
ReplyDeleteGee Einstein I guess costs havent been going up in the rigged for profit SHAM of a health care system we have today have they Simple Simon?
The truth is Health care costs have gone up about 8%-20% a year for the last several decades............which is why good paying jobs have been leaving the country and going to countries that DO offer National health care like Canada...........thats also why more and more people are uninsured and dont have access to medical care every year because companies and workers are dropping coverage because they can no longer afford it.
So as usual MORE dishonest repug BS from a BS artish that "THINKS" hes a smart guy.
Blogger Kevin said..."you keep saying we can opt out if we dont like it, but i will still have to pay for it, meaning i am not "opting out" of a whole lot, am i? "
ReplyDeleteActually Simple Simon, "I" would prefer a Single Payer Health Care System that you CANT opt out of its Obama that wants to give a government option that you can choose to opt out of..............so YOUR WRONG AGAIN AS USUAL........that said I could live with a government option since its a start but I would greatly prefer Single Payer Health Care.
As for "YOU" having to pay for it...........I could careless deal with it asshole...........I had to pay for your treasonous war of choice based on lies..........Elections have consequences, they matter..........now go put your pointy dunce cap on and go sit in the corner and shut up.
Blogger Kevin said..."you guys still have not made any point to how the wait times will be handled when they come under the plan, meaning that you will be trading one faulty system for another, and in many cases not saving the people you hope to."
ReplyDeleteGee I had either either Broncitis or the Swine Flu 3 weeks ago, when I called the doctor I was told they couldnt see me for 10 days to 2 weeks.........seems like a system with LONGGGGGGGGGG waits that doesnt work when I cant even get an appointment to see a doctor till i'm either all better or dead.
As for your "TRADING" one faulty stsyem for another boondoggle I think with over HALF of our country either uninsured or underinsured where they cant afford adaquate medical treatment they would gladly trade this RIGGED for profit SHAM of a system where costs increase at typically 300%-400% the general rate of inflation for one where EVERYONE has access to medical coverage and treatment and costs are far more contained.
Call me crazy but I think providing access to medical coverage and treatment to HALF our population that currently cant afford it would save a hell of a lot more lives than the current rigged sham of a system we currently have..............probably MILLIONS OF LIVES WOULD BE SAVED.
Blogger Kevin said..."i can opt out of calling the cops, driving on public roads, public schools for my kids, and social security benefits too, i still pay for them."
ReplyDeleteAnd I could have opted out of watching news about the treasonous war of choice based on a pack of lies in Iraq.............but I STILL had to pay for the TRILLIONS YOU IDIOTS WASTED.............Elections matter Simple Simon...........DEAL WITH IT!
wow mike,
ReplyDeletetake a breath or something.
"when I called the doctor I was told they couldnt see me for 10 days to 2 weeks"
you obviously missed my post from the earlier thread about the actual wait times in countries that have plans like this. 3 months to be seen, 2 months to schedule tests, months more to wait for results, still more to act on it.
and that is if it is considered urgent. the wait times are actually killing people. i said this before, volt posted numbers. like i said, you would trade one set of problems for another, and then make it more expensive.
going after the health care system is the best way, the actual hospitals and doctors. the litigation system is part of it. docs have to have malpractice insurance to cover themselves from such a litigous society, obamas plan does nothing to address why a doc must pay 40k per year for coverage. this raises your bill and mine. and it is caused by frivolous lawsuits. engage any of that, and you will see a dramatic improvement in the system. throwing more money at the problem while leaving the symptom will solve nothing.
big k
"Gee because Kevin likes Millions of people being "DENIED" access to affordable healthcare by a greedy for profit system where the very object of the system is to deny access to health care to increase profits we should just deny the will of the people and let the greedy insurance companies keep pushing jobs out of this country and allow them to dictate who can get health care and who lives and dies."
ReplyDeletesorry, i had to repost that whole run on sentence, there was no other way to address it.
again, you missed my earlier posts. insurance companies are legally barred from making a large profit from premiums. let me say that again. legally barred from making large profits from premiums. that is the truth, you can look it up. insurance companies actually make money by paying claims. otherwise they can not charge premiums, and reinvest it somewhere else. so if your premiums are skyrocketing, their costs are too, and they are likewise legally required to raise the price of premiums. you have to address the costs, and that is going after the healthcare system itself. simply throwing government bureaucracy into the mix will not save anything, and will not address rising costs that now the govment must pay too
big k
More repug BS Kevin people in Canada and France are MUCH MUCH MORE SATISFIED with their health care than Americans are the wait times are nothing of the sort like the BS your spewing I have friends and family in Camada i talk to all the time..............your full of shit as usual troll.
ReplyDeleteNotice how YOU NEVER report real facts just unverifiable personal anecdotes and fear mongering bs that has no basis in reality.............your truly a pathetic individual Kevin!
Blogger Kevin said...
ReplyDeleteagain, you missed my earlier posts. insurance companies are legally barred from making a large profit from premiums. let me say that again. legally barred from making large profits from premiums. that is the truth, you can look it up. insurance companies actually make money by paying claims."
So according to YOU EINSTEIN the CURRENT insurance system we have has their profits regulated by the government to the extent that they have double digit price inflation yet are NOT allowed to make excessive profits...........................BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA they dont make much profits huh Simple Simon.........gee then I wonder where all the millions and billions the insurance lobbyists use to buy Congress comes from the money tree?
They make money by paying out CLAIMS............thats another good one Simple Simon............and I guess people live longer and healthier lives by dying huh?
Blogger Kevin said...
ReplyDelete"otherwise they can not charge premiums, and reinvest it somewhere else. so if your premiums are skyrocketing, their costs are too, and they are likewise legally required to raise the price of premiums."
Lets see here Simple Simon if by chance you are actually correct your saying the American people should PAY THE PRICE for "SOCIALIZING" the losses of the insurance companies Casino type "investments" and half the nation should go without medical care to subsidize the insurance industries inability to turn a profit and invest wisely..............sounds like a completely broken lose-lose system to me.
Sounds like the insurance industry arent competent enough to efficiently run their busnesses and we need another option.
Kevin said"simply throwing government bureaucracy into the mix will not save anything, and will not address rising costs that now the govment must pay too"
ReplyDeleteWell Kev..............that "govment" bureaucracy seems to do quite well running our military..............as for the rising costs the government doesnt invest in casino like ponzi type investments where they NEED to resort to double digit price increases to Socialize the losses to insure they turn a profit at the expense of the overwhelming majority of Americans...........but thanks for playing Simple Simon!
I don't want to defend insurance executives here and I won't. But, Mike, one of the main reasons that health-care costs have gone up so much is that health-care procedures have gotten so much better/more sophisticated. The cost is innovation. And, yes, it's a double-edged sword. The fear that I (and Rahm Emanuel's doctor-brother) have with single-payer is that maybe some of this innovation will be destoyed.
ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteI don't want to defend insurance executives here and I won't. But, Mike, one of the main reasons that health-care costs have gone up so much is that health-care procedures have gotten so much better/more sophisticated. The cost is innovation."
Gee Computers and technology gets more sophisticated and the costs go DOWN every year but Will says more sophisticated innovation means rising prices despite the fact it conflicts with what all the top economists say and what the IT industry has shown us............he MUST be a really smart guy with a ton of faqcts to back up his "CLAIMS" huh
Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDelete"And, yes, it's a double-edged sword. The fear that I (and Rahm Emanuel's doctor-brother) have with single-payer is that maybe some of this innovation will be destoyed."
Well if Rahm Emanuels brother said it then let it be engraved into stone tablets it MUST be true.............as for your innovation being destroyed by being run by the government crap..............how did that work out for our military Will...............we have the number one best most state of the art military in the world............and as for innovation our government/military created the Internet, Nuclear weapons/power ect...........I think they innovate pretty well.............in fact a hell of a lot BETTER than the greedy incompetent insurance companies.
I have to say though Will for a supposed middle of the road, unbiased
ReplyDeleteopen minded moderate.............you argue pretty tenaciously for most of what the Right Wing and the Corporate interest seem to want.
Mike, the military buys these weapons from private companies. The government doesn't manufacture them. On innovation, Mike, MRIs are better than traditional X-ray machines. BUT THEY COST A HECK OF A LOT MORE MONEY. That's the kind of point I was trying to make. As for me being a moderate, yes I'm a moderate. Just like Evan Bayh. Just like Olympia Snowe. Just like Mary Landrieu. People like that. And, yes, ALL three of these people also have qualms about the public option. It doesn't mean that we necessarily will be against it in the end. It just means that maybe with something this humungous, we might want to debate ALL the options before we attempt to co-opt 16% of the economy overnight. I do envy your certitude, though, Mike.
ReplyDeleteIt's idiotic to say the majority
ReplyDeleteof americans want universal health
care.If you polled the people asking if they wanted free automobiles,of course they'd say yes.That's just stupid.
Saying you want something similar
to Canadian healthcare is idiotic.
If their system is so damn good why
are they streaming across the border for care?It's pretty damn
obvious this Mike person has no
idea what he's talking about.He's
a typical leftwing loon....anything
free from the government is good.How about the public school system? How that working out? I
know he'll say its underfunded.Yea,
thats right,lets just pump more money down that rat hole.Dumb,dumb,dumb.
"Notice how YOU NEVER report real facts just unverifiable personal anecdotes and fear mongering bs that has no basis in reality.............your truly a pathetic individual Kevin!"
ReplyDeleteand what "facts" have you posted? the current bill is expected to die in the senate, and a lot of dems are pissed that they were thrown under the bus by pelosi for a bill with little chance of becoming law. that is because it is not wildly popular, mike. where is your 75% coming from? hmmm?
seriously, your argument is pathetic. it is simply name calling and made up numbers. i cite facts, garnered from being a professional in the field for 8 years. i could write a book on insurance. i am, actually, really, an expert in it. you are, well, not. and it shows.
big k
mike, you are another person here with a challenge regarding reading comprehension.
ReplyDeleteinsurance companies do not make huge profits ON PREMIUMS!! they make profits by investing premiums somewhere else. seriously, scroll button. google it or something. i said this before.
if they do not pay claims, they cannot collect premium. its the law. this is why there are not many new insurance companies out there, to start one, the company would need a huge amount of cash to cover expected claims off the bat. when countrywide tried to get into the business before they tanked, they pumped one billion dollors into the project. that is a startup insurance company.
you do not know what you are talking about mike, and that is why you come up with these crazy ideas on healthcare. and that is why, even if you win and get what you want, the system will not be fixed. and it wont be me telling you this.
have no fear though, mike. i am sure you will find a way to blame it on those pesky repubs, and you will do so by coming up with colorfull ways to describe them. its all you got, and you are pretty good at it.
big k
i take it back....
ReplyDeleteyou are pretty good at coming up with huge run on sentences that wander through a couple of topics but manage to say nothing. thats right. you say nothing. your posts are all adolescent name calling diatribes. nothing else.
maybe you were right before, i never spoke with you all those years ago. i must not have taken you seriously.
big k.
Big K, I think that that 75% figure may be close. But like Mr. anonymous said, it depends on how you ask the question. If you ask, would you want a single-payer system if your taxes had to go up to pay for it, at that point, I'm sure that these numbers would go down precipitously.
ReplyDeleteStill waiting for those "FACTS" Kev not personal anecdotes, or chest thumping "i'm an expert" in the field just trust me BS, and not BS repug rhetoric and dishonest talking points and propaganda...............REAL facts that can be verified.
ReplyDeleteSee my 3/4 of Americans WANT National health care is a verifiable fact........its been on the News for about 6 months now, Ed Schults just stated it TONIGHT and a simple google search should verify this fact..........your crap.....................not so much Kev.
Another thing Kev..........I find it "interesting" that after 4 years you suddenly just reappear right when the National Healthcare battle heats up..............a topic which you CLAIM to be an......cough ......cough....."EXPERT" on................BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteBig K, I think that that 75% figure may be close. But like Mr. anonymous said, it depends on how you ask the question. If you ask, would you want a single-payer system if your taxes had to go up to pay for it, at that point, I'm sure that these numbers would go down precipitously."
Interesting how you frame the issue like an adamant opponent of National Health Care would..............here allow me to assist you "would you want a single payer system if your taxes went up, you lost your job because of the recession and your first child wre to have a 50% mortality rate..........oh and lets not forget the ornerous waits that could be months or years and could lead to deaths..........that should cut down on the number of people who support Single Payer Health care............When in doubt a little repug fear mongering always does the trick.
Now how about we frame it more honestly...........Half our nation that currently cant afford access to health care WILL have access millions of lives will be saved, people will be healthier. No one will go bankrupt and lose everything they have if they get sick or injured. No one will not go to the doctor because they cant afford it or lack insurance. No one will be DENIED medial coverage because of a rigged system to maximize profits or because of a pre-existing condition...............I think Only a fool would NOT choose Single Payer Health care.
mike, i said years ago i was an insurance agent, and i was going to school for engineering. its all there. nothing new. and if we are talking about anything insurance or engineering related, i should know what i am talking about.
ReplyDeleteif you are talking about the cbs poll, 72% think a national option is a good one, but there is not that much of a consensus as to exactly how. and that poll shows support has gone up from 30% just 2007. 30 to 72% swing. maybe we should get another poll up there, usually things dont sway that much in such a short time, and could be tainted. that is simple statistics. law of large numbers.
but lets assume its true. that means 42% of people responding to the poll are somewhat fickle, meaning that if we jump into something, they might decide they dont like it in 2 years. but by then they are stuck with it. which brings me back to the whole, "lets not jump into this so fast" point i made last week.
and, btw, i would support an up or down vote by the public. your repeated insistance that i would not is also childish, since you never asked. you simply assume. and it is interesting that you are so tied to this whole "concensus by voting" thing. since there are famous examples of votes that have not gone the lefts way that you support changing anyway.
never the less. how insurance works is still a fact. you can look it up and learn something on your own. its the only way you will, i am sure of that.
big k
Obviously, the Rushpublican troll caravan never talked to any Canadians who've been in this country for awhile, or any Brits either. And what do these idiots think that bean counters at insurance companies do every day, when they deny coverage to desperate people? Is that rationing, or isn't it? I'm sure Natalie Sarkisyan's family can tell you all about it.
ReplyDeleteThese idiots are unable to grasp the contradictions in their positions on police and fire protection, and healthcare. They can't grasp it for the same reason they can't walk without getting scrape marks on their knuckles. 'Nuff said about these morons.
As for Billy Mays.... my 8 year old daughter was well aware of him, insisted I buy some Mighty Putty because of him, and sat at rapt attention through every one of his ads. Michael Jackson isn't on her radar screen; Billy Mays is, and she was very much hurt by his passing. I wish I had known the news was coming on, because I'd have turned the channel and explained it to her beforehand. As it was, she went and got the box of Mighty Putty because it has his picture on it.
That box sits on the arm of my chair right now. We've discussed Billy Mays a few times since she went and found it. Whether you loved the guy's ads or found him to be an annoyance, he had impact.
Blah Blah Blah...............lets just stick with a COMPLETELY failed health care system that flat out doesnt work................because the sky might fall if we try something that does work.
ReplyDeleteLets stick with the quagmire that is iraq and cling to the same disasterous policies that weakened our military, made our country much less safe and bankrupted our nation saddling it with TRILLIONS in debt because pulling out of Iraq would be surrender and would allow the terrorists to win...............Blah Blah Blah...
More mindles propaganda and dishonest ignorant stay the course rhetoric and outright BS from the repug BS artists.........that bankrupted our country.
The ONLY thing your an expert in Kev is an expert in BS!
ReplyDeleteThe ONLY thing your an expert in Kev is an expert in BS!.
ReplyDeleteAnd of course being a GUTLESS reich-wing pussy, like the rest of the trolls.
I have to agree with Kevin,it seems all of you dog pile on him
ReplyDeletewith insults and no facts.He seems to know what hes talking about when
it comes to the insurance business.
Then someone else comes in asking if we've ever talked to Canadians
about health care.As a matter of fact yes I have.The doctor who performed a root nerve block on my back is from Canada,he went to med school in the states and now practices here.He had to fly his own father down here to get an MRI
because there was an eight month
wait in Canada and if his dad needed similar treatment as me the wait up there was at least a year.So yes I've spoken to a Canadian about their healthcare and this doctor did'nt think much of it.
Also,do you realize the number of private medical clinics in Canada
has risen ten fold in the past 15 years.People there are tired of waiting for service and are paying cash at private clinics to see a doctor or have a proceedure performed.This Mike person was complaining about waiting two weeks to get an appointment with
his doctor,I'd think quite a few Canadians would consider a two week wait heaven on earth.
Agreeing with YOURSELF now kev?
ReplyDeleteAnd as for "dogpiling on Kev..............I was the one taking on and beating up on the 3 blind mice............See genius to dogpile on someone YOU would have to be the one thats out numbered not just intellectually out matched.
You make Kevins point for him,
ReplyDeleteno facts just bluster.
Was it my imagination or did Helen
ReplyDeleteThomas yesterday accuse the Obama
administration of staging both their press conferences and town hall meetings?Helen Thomas did that?
All this because Obama is the anti-christ, I heard it on the Glen Beck show
ReplyDeleteHI Everyone...
ReplyDeleteMy heart broke when I heard Farrah Died. Yes, someone here did mention we knew she was finishing up her earthly duties to take flight to heaven. I had written a story on my website about Farrah and her bravery...and how...for about a year...everyone taking pictures screamed at me to STOP DOING THE FARRAH FAWCETT SMILE!!!
Though not a fan of Michael Jackson's music or style...he was so important to so many people. I, personally, don't think he was guilty of all of those horrible crimes he was accused of. Yes, I was sad about how the media hypes up Michael Jackson. Farrah...in my heart...is my golden girl. So is Lydia...
They don't make actrees and have posters of the most beautiful ladies in the world. If they do have them...they are centerfolds from likes of Playboy. I know Farrah did a Playboy spread and she got my cheers for she did it to prove a point. Women over age 23 in Hollywood are stunning, beautiful...and they have nude bodies too. They just have a bit more class.
Drugs in America. Drugs at home...Drugs with me.
Also on my website, I have an ongoing thread about my recovery from addictions. The addicted needs to say..."well, I've tried and tried to use less or stop and I just cant to it alone." They need to realize that...and Pray. Pray hard. Reveal your problems to your family...with out excuses. If there are no family to turn to...go to a friend or straight to the ER...and tell them you're killing yourself. THEN, They have to take you...and wean you off of what you are addicted to...doors will open to meet different friends in different halls...You NEED to look back at what I call, "lessons learned" some call it "wreckage" I look back....only for a glimpse and remember how painful, sad and how it hurt me just as much as those around me. Then I snap into the moment.
All I have is this very moment writing this for you.
Yesterday is Gone.
Tomorrow Never Comes...
All we have is the now...
And becuase this is the natural course of life...I do my best to make now the best.
I'll stand up for you...
I'll stand up against wrong...
I'll commend good...
I'll be not afraid...
Heck, with Jesus on your side...what in the world can "they" do to you.
God never sends us where he doesn't go with you...
I love you Lydia...
Call me...
"...So you look to your guardian angel...Some of them are here on earth...and some of them are way up there in heaven..."
Jim
I've seen so many, "wardrobe malfunctions" I've seen a lot of young singers and actress' crotches...I once heard somebody say, "you know, you sit on your porch and a naked person walks by every day...sooner or later, you stop to bother looking up.
For the trouble makers wearing the "anonymous" masks...YOU are cowards...like the last administation...hiding behind masks of bravery...and whats best for the country...when all they were doing was murdering, stealing, lying...filling their pockets...and screwing out of there.
ReplyDeleteThey are now being sought for questions...
Where did the money go?
How could you let that happen?
Why did you do that to me?
Next to my face here is my name.
I mean every word I write...
Jesus is right smack here with me...and I hide nothing.
I'm just a work in progress.
Mike, I'm actually FOR universal coverage. I'm just not exactly sure the best way to go about it. You point to Medicare. Yes, Medicare has lower administrative costs than private insurance. But 1) it's going broke due to demographic changes and 2) the fraud involved in it is legendary. I work in a convalescent home and, believe me, heathcare professionals know very well how to work the system. Bottom-line, yes, people want great healthcare but, no, they don't want their taxes to go up to pay for it. It makes it hard for politicians to know which way to go. And so they vascillate.
ReplyDeleteI have a healthcare plan at work, Mike. And I like it. And under your draconian single-payer format, I would lose it for something that you and a bunch of politicians deem would be better for me. I mean, I know you don't give a damn and all but, come on here, that's kind of ballsy.
ReplyDeleteAnybody who disagrees with you, Mike, you mindlessly label them a right-winger. I mean, I know you that need to reduce the complexity of this stuff and all but, really, it's getting kind of stale, bro. And you didn't answer me, is Evan Bayh a right-winger? Is Mary Landrieu a right-winger? How 'bout Ben Nelson? Oh, and as for this Jolly Roger simpleton, that imbecile isn't even worthy of a sentence (which is appropo, in that he himself is totally incapable of forming one). I try and discuss these issues civily with you partisan characters and it always devolves. It's like, are you ever going to recognize the dangers of certitude EVER? YES, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU FRAME THE QUESTION. How in the hell was that a partisan statement on my part? People can prove anything with statistics and, yeah, you bet, this health-care debate is a premium example of it.
ReplyDeleteOh, and, Mike, what kind of adult works on a Sunday? You wanted to know that? Hm, let's see, have you ever heard of hospitals? Have you ever heard of convalescent homes? Have you ever heard of group homes? Have you ever heard of half-way houses? Have you ever heard of prisons? And, yes, Mike, believe it or not, some adults even work in retail. You can be rest-assured that I did not fake having to work on a Sunday - THIS, so I could be something so ridiculous as a "Bartlebee imposter". I don't know, Mike, maybe when you're not on the internet, you're actually a nice guy. But, I'm telling you, when you're on it, the paranoia, it is off the frigging charts, dude! Bartlebee imposter, that is rich, man.
ReplyDeleteWill "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteI have a healthcare plan at work, Mike. And I like it. And under your draconian single-payer format, I would lose it for something that you and a bunch of politicians deem would be better for me. I mean, I know you don't give a damn and all but, come on here, that's kind of ballsy.
Yea and who do you think created that plan you're so happy with? A politician. Not a private company.
The Nixon administration helped draft and introduce the world to the PPO and HMO packages working in collusion with Edgar Kaiser (Kaiser Permanente). I know I've heard the recordings, as I'm sure you have.
So what you're saying is you're ok with one created by a republican administration, but not a democratic one.
Seems strange for a "moderate".
And as for your complaints about "losing" your wonderful program?
That's just a right wing straw argument that you'd "lose it" under these additional optional programs introduced at the federal level. Its an "opt in" program, which has been made clear repeatedly. No one would lose their coverage. That's just what the right wing is selling.
And you know what that tells us?
That tells us that your real goal here is certainly not reasonable discussion, but instead pushing right wing talking points to help defeat a primary objective of the democrats.
Otherwise you'd never persist an already disproved talking point being pushed by the right wing.
Only the right wings making that argument. And here you, a so called "moderate liberal", is pushing their talking point on this high stakes program the republicans are desperate to beath.
Public Health care is a must beat for the republicans. They feel if they don't beat it, they'll not see the White House for several terms. This is something that's been said already by RNC leadership. It's a "do or die" fight for the republicans, and they're leveraging everything including their moderate counterparts in the congress to fight this agenda.
I for one am all for a public health care option. While fat, happy, assholes like you and me might be perfectly fine with our health care coverage, there are many less fortunate than us who do not enjoy good and in the case of 50 million Americans, no coverage.
I unlike you do not feel the need to "hoard" success or wealth. I do not feel the need to say "I've got mine, f#$K everyone else".
I do not so small minded and petty, that I think giving someone else health care coverage is going to somehow take mine away. Or that I can't afford a few bucks extra a year in tax dollars to chip in to help the less fortunate.
Of course I am not a right wing troll pretending to be a moderate, in here shilling for big insurance companies and pissing on the less fortunate than myself.
Life has taught me a little compassion for those less fortunate than myself, and that the better off my neighbor is, the better off I will be too.
That's a lesson you'll probably need to learn, the hard way.
On every major issue you have sided with the republicans Will. You never, ever come in and "defend" and "debate" critical issues for the liberals.
ReplyDeleteOh sure you "claim" to "be on their side" on some key issues, but you never defend them. You never go to the mats for those issues.
Instead, whenever we see you you're going to the mats for republican issues, and against liberal and democratic ones.
You always claim "I defend this" or "I defend that", but you never do.
Instead, whenever we see you, you're in here shilling a right wing talking point and defending a right wing position while opposing a left wing one.
I don't know who you think you've still got fooled, but from what I can tell, everyone here has long since been wise to your concern troll persona.
Its not Mike or Clif being "paranoid". It's everyone, clearly looking at what you actually say, as opposed to what you "claim" you say.
And on this key, critical hot bed issue, as always, you're in here shilling for the republicans and conservatives and trying to defeat the democrats and liberals.
And that says it all.
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ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
Oh, and, Mike, what kind of adult works on a Sunday? You wanted to know that? Hm, let's see, have you ever heard of hospitals? Have you ever heard of convalescent homes? Have you ever heard of group homes? Have you ever heard of half-way houses? Have you ever heard of prisons? And, yes, Mike, believe it or not, some adults even work in retail. You can be rest-assured that I did not fake having to work on a Sunday - THIS, so I could be something so ridiculous as a "Bartlebee imposter". I don't know, Mike, maybe when you're not on the internet, you're actually a nice guy. But, I'm telling you, when you're on it, the paranoia, it is off the frigging charts, dude! Bartlebee imposter, that is rich, man."
Uhh MR ADHD.........please show me exactly where I said ANYTHING of the sort in this thread.........in fat please show me where I said that in the last 30 threads...........are you trying to bury your budies getting their clocks cleaned or is the ADHD getting worse and you cant focus on the current discussion?
Ghost of Worfeus said "And as for your complaints about "losing" your wonderful program?
ReplyDeleteThat's just a right wing straw argument that you'd "lose it" under these additional optional programs introduced at the federal level. Its an "opt in" program, which has been made clear repeatedly. No one would lose their coverage. That's just what the right wing is selling.
And you know what that tells us?
That tells us that your real goal here is certainly not reasonable discussion, but instead pushing right wing talking points to help defeat a primary objective of the democrats.
Otherwise you'd never persist an already disproved talking point being pushed by the right wing.
Only the right wings making that argument. And here you, a so called "moderate liberal", is pushing their talking point on this high stakes program the republicans are desperate to beath.'
Yep the inbred Right Wing Fear mongers are MOST CERTAINLY saying people will lose their current health insurance plans "IF" we are allowed to have the CHOICE of a government option...........this would be completely laughable it it werent so totally pathetic and dishonest.
First of all it TOTALLY CONTRADICTS the repug rhetoric that the government is incompetent and cant run ANY business efficiently like the private sector can............first of all if the government is too incompetent to compete with the private sector insurance companies.........then what the hell do the insurance companies have to worry about............you cant have it both ways trolls.
I remember a conversation my father and I had about the first Jackson accusation. He said he didn't believe it; he figured that Jackson was just trying to be a child himself and got burnt by bad actors.
ReplyDeleteWhen I pointed out that Jackson apparently paid the boy off, Dad said something that stuck with me.
"You're thinking about it the wrong way," was Dad's response. "You can't judge what he does based on you or me; we've had to make it on our own. He's been closed off from reality his whole life, and he's still a child mentally. A child might think that giving somebody money might make them leave him alone; we wouldn't."
Just look at the guy's life. A guy who obviously could not figure out how to budget money, or even get around outside the gates of his estates on his own (although it appears that his trial was his "grow up" experience in a lot of ways.) I suspect Dad was right in his assessment.
I agree JR......I think that is a definate possibilty.......one I considred also Regarding MJ.
ReplyDeleteBartlebee, attention please. I was talking to Mike and referring to his Single-payer plan, not the Obama proposed public option. You evidently missed that. As for me always debating from "the right", as you call it, that's because you guys are always cowtowing completely from the left. As you would have to admit if you came to my site, I hammer both sides there. Tell me that "don't ask, don't tell" is a good policy and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that gay marriage should be outlawed and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that water-boarding is either just or effective and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that we shouldn't do SOMETHING about fixing health-care and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that pre-emptive wars are a good and just thing and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that the government shouldn't fund embryonic stem-cell research and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that the Supreme Court should overturn Roe v. Wade and I will debate you from the left. I'm only a right-winger, Bartlebee, when placed in comparison to partisan stooges like youa'll. And if really read what I was saying here about THIS debate, you'd see that I was looking at it moderately. I even said that we may in fact have to fall back on single payer. I just advocated that maybe we ought to examine all the plans and consider all the possible unintended consequences before we allow the government to meddle (even more) in 16% of the economy. I know, I know, that's probably too much nuance for you guys. I keep forgetting.
ReplyDeleteMary Landrieu and Evan Bayh apparently have issues with the public option, too, the fact that we've literally quadrupled the deficit, etc.. Once again, Mike, are they right-wingers, too? You don't seem to want to answer that one.
ReplyDeleteMore strawmen and assigned positions Will........I strongly opposed Obama's policies on spying, rendition, gay marriage, dont ask dont tell.........etc.........yet you keep dishonest assigning the the position of marching in lockstep with Obama........that is when your not contradicting yourself and assigning me to the far left that isnt satisfied with Obama.
ReplyDeleteSo once again which is it because you cant have it both ways.
Oh and for the record Will.......although I clearly stated I would prefer Single Payer MANY TIMES........I also stated I would be ok with a public option and would support that as well.
ReplyDeleteI brought up that paranoid accusation of yours again, Mike, because you've never acknowledged the idiocy of it. I think if you were a decent person you would 1) acknowledge the silliness of it and 2) apologize for making such a false accusation.
ReplyDeleteI've NEVER liked Evan Bayh Will..........hes a corporatist DINO idiot that I have NEVER liked or respected..........I cant stand Lieberman either.
ReplyDeleteWill you seem to think i'm supposed to like or agree with ALL democrats.......I could care less what Rah Emanuel's Idiot brother vor Evan Bayh say or like.
ReplyDeleteI'm not a registered democrat they have neither my allegiance or loyalty........the repugs on the other hand have my emnity and loathing and I will oppose their disasterous policies.
Like I said for a CLAIMED moderate you view EVERYTHING through an EXTREMELY partisan prism..........I could care less what Obama likes or doesnt like if I dont agree with him I say so like I have MANY times.
Mike, you've never criticized Obama for being too liberal, only when he moves to the center. Ergo, YOU are to the left of Obama. Which is fine, Mike. I like people of ALL political stripes. Just admit that it's you who's the extremist. Not me. I listed all of my liberal positions, Mike. I could never make it in a far-right organization. They'd kick me out in a heartbeat. I sided with John Edwards in his fued with Bill O'Reilly, for Christ's sake. I probably did 5 or 6 posts about that. Was that something a right-winger would do? Hardly. And Gadfly referred to me as a member of the Obama police last year. That wouldn't be very good for a far-right resume, either. Once again, only when compared to you guys would this guy be considered a far-right extremist. Checkmate.
ReplyDeleteWill if I honestly KNEW that wasnt you then I would apologize...........however it was clear without a doubt that someone was clearly impersonating Bartlebee and I've seen no proof that would lead me to conclude it couldnt have been you.
ReplyDeleteI'm still curious why you would out of the blue on a thread with 70 posts about health care and MJ bring up a totally unrelated topic from 6 months ago out of th blue..........Turrets???.....ADHD?????
You don't like Bayh. That's fine, Mike (I do, btw). But I think it's a stretch to call him or Landreiu or Lincoln a right-winger. They're moderates, Mike. And so am I.
ReplyDeleteI mentioned it because I'm still mad about it. I have NEVER blogged under any other name but my own and I DO work EVERY Sunday. How do I prove a negative here? Maybe Rusty has more than one handle. I do not. I mean, come on, Bartlebee was even accusing Lydia of sock-puppetry, for Christ. He was out of control!
ReplyDeleteMike, you could theoretically be Nicholas. But, come on, I never came out of the blue and accused of being that idiot. Of course, if I did aacuse you, and you protested, I could always say that, "if I KNEW it wasn't you......"
ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDelete"You don't like Bayh. That's fine, Mike (I do, btw). But I think it's a stretch to call him or Landreiu or Lincoln a right-winger. They're moderates, Mike. And so am I."
Uhh Will.............show me where I EVER called Bayh a Right Winger........there you go dishonestly assigning me positions and CLAIMING I said things I NEVER said..........he represents the corporatist bought and paid for wing of the dems.......but I NEVER called him a right winger.
And I havent accused YOU of impersonating Bartlebee in 6 months.......that was probably over 50 threads ago.........so why do you KEEP BRINGING IT UP OUT OF THE BLUE?
ReplyDeleteIt REALLY looks like your TRYING to bury the discussion about healthcare because you and your buddies cant counter anything Bart or I said with your empty rhetoric and dishonest talking points..............THATS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WILL!
Mike, I brought up Bayh, etc. BECAUSE you're accusing me of right-wing extremism, when in reality I'm only holding the same concerns as Bayh, etc.. Do you understand now? P.S. I don't care "what it looks like" to you, Mike. I've had a bone to pick with you for quite some time on this Bartlebee Jr. crap. I had your attention and I took advantage of it.
ReplyDeleteRahm Emanuel's brother isn't an idiot, Mike. And he obviously isn't a right-winger, either. My God, why not, instead of constantly insulting people who don't tow the line with you, you actually tried to learn something from them. It's the Hegelian/Socratic method, for Christ.
ReplyDeleteBartlebee accused me of only siding with the conservatives . I gave him a good half-dozen examples in which I tend to side with the liberals. And, yes, I even aligned myself with the blue-dog Democrats on the healthcare issue (concerns about the costs, etc.). But, no, continue to spout this constant bull-crap, like only Bartlebee can.
ReplyDeleteWill "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteAs for me always debating from "the right", as you call it, that's because you guys are always cowtowing completely from the left. As you would have to admit if you came to my site, I hammer both sides there. Tell me that "don't ask, don't tell" is a good policy and I will debate you from the left. Tell me that gay marriage should be outlawed and I will debate you blah blah blah
Once more, we see you "telling" us what liberal policies you support while actively supporting the policies of the right.
What you debate about in your "blog" is of little concern.
What you come HERE to debate is what counts.
And all we ever hear from you is the positions of the right.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteBartlebee accused me of only siding with the conservatives .
That's because in here, you only side with the conservatives.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteI gave him a good half-dozen examples in which I tend to side with the liberals
As I just got through saying, we know.
You always give "examples" where you "tend" to side with the liberals.
You just never show us yourself doing that.
:|
Just talking about it.
Everyone, please drop your fear of the truth and watch the most gentle and amazing film in years about the most important issue in our society -- health care.
ReplyDeleteWatch SICKO by Michael Moore. He is a genius and an amazing patriot and an amazing American who is on your side if only you hadn't been bamboozled by Rush and the idiot propagandists who hate everything good.
France, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland, Canada, and every enlightened nation has health care that takes care of the people and in Germany they even take care of you no matter what happens, and the people are happier, and LESS STRESSED. Since STRESS is the cause of most illness (according to genetic scientists, even my Republican friend)
Do not believe anyone who cries "Socialsim" from Big Pharmaceutical and Health Insurance fraudsters. They are only trying to scam the people to make themselves wealthy.
Everyone should receive health care for free. This is as important as the Fire and Police Departments.
It will save money because as it stands now, all the single women I know and middle class families -- and the poor are forced to avoid medical care completely until it's too late. Or they go to Emergency, which ends up costing everyone more anyway.
WAKE UP. The best thing you can do for your country and your sanity is to stop listening to any right-wing talk radio or tv. It is detrimental to all our health.
Guess who?
ReplyDeletesorry guys,
ReplyDeletei need to hijack the thread for a sec,
KEVIN GOT A JOB!! oh yeah!!
(jungle boogie by kool and the gang is playing in the background)
do the kevin got a job dance, oh, uh! oh yeah, give it to me....
i start monday, i promise to come by and feed worf as much as i can. the rest of you guys are going to have to help me though. he is obviously lonely.
one more time though, do the kevin got a job dance!! hells yeah!!
sorry, i am happy, and had a few too many adult beverages. mint juleps rock, btw. if you have not indulged, i recommend highly. martinis and fine bubbly too.
now if you will excuse me, i have a cigar with my name on it, and a wife looking for some special attn. PEACE!!
big k
Like I said, Bartlebee, advocate for water-boarding and I will debate you from the left. Advocate rendition and I will debate you from the left. Etc.. You guys only put forth hackneyed liberal positions and so de facto most of the criticism you get (not just from me but from ANYBODY) will be coming from the right of you. What part of this is difficult to understand?
ReplyDeleteAnd like I ALSO said, Bartlebee, I don't see myself siding with the right. I see myself siding with the blue-Dog Democrats who are quite understandably alarmed by a quadrupaling of the deficit, a mushrooming of the debt, etc.. The full range of my views are on my blog. If you don't want to read my blog, the hell with you.
ReplyDeleteOh, and, Bartlebee, you might want to teach that compassion lesson to Vice President Biden. He gave .3% of his income last year to charity. You can be rest assured that I completely topped that. As I hope that you did, too.
ReplyDeleteI (along with everyone else) absolutely WOULD lose their private healthcare under Mike's one-size-fits-all single-payer system. How is THAT a disproved right-wing talking point? It's a natural frigging conclusion, for Christ's sakes.
ReplyDeleteBlogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDelete"And like I ALSO said, Bartlebee, I don't see myself siding with the right. I see myself siding with the blue-Dog Democrats"
Who are apparently siding with the Right on this issue"
Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDelete"And like I ALSO said, Bartlebee, I don't see myself siding with the right. I see myself siding with the blue-Dog Democrats who are quite understandably alarmed by a quadrupaling of the deficit, a mushrooming of the debt"
Interesting how you EXCLUSIVELY ASSIGN running up debts and deficits to the "LEFT"............funny didnt Neo Con extroirdinaire Dick Cheney say "Deficits dont matter"..............didnt the debt essentiaqlly triple and wasnt a a surplus squandered under GWB..............sure Obama has been running up debts and deficits but thats to combt the economic disaster wrought by GWB and his failed policies to try to avoid another Great Depression.............Clinton payed down the debt and handed GWB a surplus.............so to use the Right Wing talking point to dishonestly ASSIGN debts and deficits is flat out dishonest.
Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteI (along with everyone else) absolutely WOULD lose their private healthcare under Mike's one-size-fits-all single-payer system. How is THAT a disproved right-wing talking point? It's a natural frigging conclusion, for Christ's sakes."
Sorry Will but Mike's not the President and what "IS ACTUALLY" being proposed by our president is a government option not single payer................another TEXTBOOK Strawman!
Anonymous said "Also,do you realize the number of private medical clinics in Canada
ReplyDeletehas risen ten fold in the past 15 years.People there are tired of waiting for service and are paying cash at private clinics to see a doctor or have a proceedure performed."
So much for Single Payer National Health Care not allowing any OTHER OPTIONS...........according to this gut Private clinics for those willing and able to pay for better coverage are "FLOURISHING" in Canada.
By your own admission Single Payer does not drive other superior options out of existence for those willing and able to afford it.
Lastly if the government is SO INCOMPETENT and cant compete with the free market what the hell are you idiots so deathly afraid of government option for..............Either the government is incompetent and cant compete with private enterprise or they are superior and private enterprise cant compete with them in the health care field............you idiots cant have it both ways.
Wow. Is the lack of attention getting to her? All I can say about this is Holy Sh*t!
ReplyDeleteThe "anonymous" moron better go back and look at WHAT those private clinics are specializing in. Since it'll give the lie yet again to his Rush-fed idiotic talking points, he won't.
ReplyDeleteI'll be looking forward to the comedy show in 2012 JR..............Rest up while you can Tina Fey, I have a feeling you'll be rEAL BUSY when election season starts.
ReplyDeleteIf Mark Sanford was the repubie governor screwing around on his wife,
ReplyDeleteWhy is the bimbo St Sarah the repubie governor cutting and running from the job she asked for?
GOPigs certainly are a strange bunch of crooks and hypocrites.
Cutting and running from the job she asked the voters for certainly is the way to prove she is ready to take on Obama.
ReplyDeleteBecause if that walking brain fart thunks the media was hard on her trailer trash bunch when she was governor of the most irrelevant job in America, what the fuck did the brain dead bimbo thunk was gonna happen when she got selected by 5 reich-wing justices?
freakin idiot
I wasn't debating Obama, Mike. I was debating you. YOUR PROPOSAL. No straw man, whatsoever. And, no, I absolute DON'T assign debts to Democrats only (strawman, Mike. Bush was a disgrace in this regard, PERIOD. And Paulsen was the worst Secretary of the Treasury EVER! But that doesn't change the fact that Obama has quadrupled the deficit. Yes, you can probably continue to blame Bush for a while longer but pretty soon, Mike, that particular dog isn't going to be able to run anymore. Seriously.
ReplyDeleteYes, the single payer system does allow for other options BUT you have to pay 100% of the costs out of pocket. Ergo, it's only available to rich folks.
ReplyDeleteYes, Mike, Cheney did say that "deficits don't matter." And I hammered him on my blog for uttering such poppycock.
ReplyDeletehim on my blog
ReplyDeletetranslation;
waste of bandwidth with no comments.
Kevin said...
ReplyDeletesorry guys,
i need to hijack the thread for a sec,
KEVIN GOT A JOB!! oh yeah!!
(jungle boogie by kool and the gang is playing in the background)
do the kevin got a job dance, oh, uh! oh yeah, give it to me....
i start monday, i promise to come by and feed worf as much as i can. the rest of you guys are going to have to help me though. he is obviously lonely.
one more time though, do the kevin got a job dance!! hells yeah!!
sorry, i am happy, and had a few too many adult beverages. mint juleps rock, btw. if you have not indulged, i recommend highly. martinis and fine bubbly too.
By all means, celebrate.
:|
No doubt a once in a lifetime event.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteLike I said, Bartlebee, advocate for water-boarding and I will debate you from the left.
And like I said, all you ever do is talk about what you "will debate".
The problem is no one ever sees you actually doing it.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteAnd like I ALSO said, Bartlebee, I don't see myself siding with the right
That's because you don't see yourself.
We do.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteOh, and, Bartlebee, you might want to teach that compassion lesson to Vice President Biden. He gave .3% of his income last year to charity.
You can be rest assured that I completely topped that.
Congratulations.
You gave 4 percent of nothing to charities.
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I'm sure they appreciate it.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteYes, Mike, Cheney did say that "deficits don't matter." And I hammered him on my blog for uttering such poppycock.
We don't care about what you say on your blog that no one reads but you.
It's what you say in this blog counts.
And as for Palin?
ReplyDeleteShe just ended any plans she had for being President.
When you're an executive leader you don't just quit your job. You don't just say to the people who voted for you, worked for you, raised millions for you, "ok, see ya, gone go do something else now" and walk off the job.
You don't just quit. People put a lot of time and money into electing her in Alaska and she just crapped on all of them.
You don't just walk off the job when you're the Governor.
Not if you want to be President.
Isn't that two republican Governors now who just walked off the job?
ReplyDeleteSanford did it to go get some booty.
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What great leaders.
"No doubt a once in a lifetime event."
ReplyDeletewell, i am not sure what you meant by that. if it was a dig, it was pretty lame. its not like people look for a new job once a week or anything. but whatever.
palin, what a dissappointment. if she is running in 2012, i think worf is right. she just threw it in the toilet. oh well, i liked her too.
big k
Kev,
ReplyDeleteI don't think so.
Alaska puts very severe restrictions on what a state employee (such as a governor for example) can do while in office.
Now that she's free of that office she can accept payment for her book, work on and with SarahPAC, and actively campaign for a higher office.
It also ends the ability of left wing haters like those here to detract and distract the internal politics of Alaska, and insures that there is a Republican incumbent governor to run for re-election.
It also gives her the free time to become more immersed in national and international policy.
It looks to me like she just cleared her slate to work full time for 2012.
And regardless of what the naysayers claim, it seems the community agitator in chief left the people of Illinois high and dry for a couple of years during his presidential run.
By 2012 the people will certainly be sick of the current joke of an administration.
I'm strongly arguing against water-boarding, Bartlebee. And I'm doing it, HERE!!! On the blog of record. On the only place where anything is heard. Seriously, though, idiot, what are you even doing here? Didn't you falsely and paranoiacly accuse Lydia herself of all sorts of malfeasence? And didn't she ban your mean-spirited ass, big time?
ReplyDeleteYou're right, btw, Bart, human service workers don't make a crap-load of money. But we work with the sick, the handicapped, and those less fortunate. We walk the walk, in other words. What do you frigging do?
ReplyDeleteNice Volt...
ReplyDeleteWe can always count on you to defend hate groups...white supremeist groups everywhere are practically biting iron nails they're so mad... because gay families and poor people are getting their due. Things are happening...a return to love. Now Sarah can tend to her pregnant un wed daughter...and be a Mommie Dearest.
I'm gonna puke blood. Now what are they going to do with all the white sheets with eyes cut out? Linen and Things went out of business...just like Sarah.
Oh and Mikey,
ReplyDeleteConsider this scenario:
In the cola wars Coke has the largest market share with Pepsi coming in second.
Let's say that with the help of the deep pockets of the federal government Pepsi cuts it's prices 75% across the board.
Especially in this economy many, even those who prefer Coke are going to switch brands.
Coke will have two options, Go bankrupt or lower their prices to match and then go bankrupt.
With the help of a federal subsidy Pepsi will soon be the only cola remaining.
THAT'S how national single payer health care will put private insurance out of business.
AND when it's federally mandated that you MUST have insurance, which do you think the poor will overwhelmingly choose, the best, or the cheapest?
I see dolty and the rest of the ignorant inbred contingent are thinking with their toothpicks again.
ReplyDeleteThey would argue in one breath about how "tough" their "pit bull with lipstick" is, and in the next breath they'll talk about how the mean old librul media done hounded her out of office.
I won't explain to the geniuses their obvious contadictions here, nor will I point out that if they are right about the dirty librul media, then their wet dream is too thin-skinned to hold public office in any case. Since their blood goes to "toothpick level" any time you talk about their wet dream, they get doubly-stupid, as the blood that usually operates the 5 or 6 brain cells that they have gets diverted.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"Nice Volt...
We can always count on you to defend hate groups..."
Sarah Palin is a "hate group"???
"Things are happening...a return to love."
Yeah, maybe YOU ought to try that too...
Speaking of hate groups, I see Junior is in the house...
ReplyDeleteOh and Junior,
ReplyDeleteI don't think the mean ol liberal media hounded her out of office.
I think they inspired her to fight back on a national level. Something she couldn't do effectively as governor.
Cut and run surrender monkey, cheating the voters
ReplyDeletetypical republican't politician,
for their own future
NOT serving the people they asked to serve.
And anonymous,
ReplyDeletePlease show me the love in dehumanizing and demonizing those who simply hold differing opinions than you?
Your particular hate group is one of the largest and vilest.
You mean like Obama Cliffy?
ReplyDeleteVoltron said...
ReplyDeleteKev,
I don't think so.
Alaska puts very severe restrictions on what a state employee (such as a governor for example) can do while in office.
Now that she's free of that office she can accept payment for her book, work on and with SarahPAC, and actively campaign for a higher office.
This comment is so revealing. It shows why republicans are incompetent at government.
Because walking off the job as Governor, to reap profits from book sales and run for a higher office, is what passes for "good government" with you.
looks like the trolls and operatives
ReplyDeletegot their talking points and marching orders.
You mean it's better to stay IN a job and ignore it completely to run for higher office, like one of our Senators here in Illinois did recently?
ReplyDeleteAh the truth starts to reveal itself;
ReplyDeleteEXCLUSIVE: PALIN RESIGNATION 'DAMAGE CONTROL' FOR COMING 'ICEBERG SCANDAL' ... MORE: EMBEZZLEMENT INDICTMENTS COMING?
"The governor would not be able to continue her job when it comes out," she told me on the phone just now, before adding: "Why would Mark Sanford not resign, but Sarah Palin did? Her family didn't even know about the resignation until they were standing with her by the lake" when she made her announcement.
Yes. It seems another shoe, apparently a big one, will indeed be dropping, likely within the next week or so. Perhaps earlier now that everyone will be poking around up there.
FURTHER UPDATE: Okay, I've now been able to get independent information from multiple sources that all of this precedes what are said to be possible federal indictments against Palin, concerning an embezzlement scandal related to the building of Palin's house and the Wasilla Sports Complex built during her tenure as Mayor. Both structures, it is said, feature the "same windows, same wood, same products." Federal investigators have been looking into this for some time, and indictments could be imminent, according to the Alaska sources.
Cheating the tax payers for personal gain, how typically repugnant a reich-winger she really is.
No wonder why the reich-wing trolls like her so much.
THE $12.5 MILLION sports complex and hockey rink that is the lasting monument to Palin's two terms as Wasilla mayor is also a monument to the kind of insider politics that dismays Americans of both parties. Six months before Palin stepped down as mayor in October 2002, the city awarded nearly a half-million-dollar contract to design the biggest project in Wasilla history to Kumin Associates. Blase Burkhart was the Kumin architect on the job-the son of Roy Burkhart, who is frequently described as a "mentor" of Palin and was head of the local Republican Party (his wife, June, who also advised Palin, is the national committeewoman). Asked if the contract was a favor, Roy Burkhart, who contributed to her campaign in the same time frame that his son got the contract, said: "I really don't know." Palin then named Blase Burkhart to a seven-member builder-selection committee that picked Howdie Inc., a mostly residential contractor owned at the time by Howard Nugent. Formally awarded the contract a couple of weeks after Palin left office, Nugent has donated $4,000 to Palin campaigns. Two competitors protested the process that led to Nugent's contract.
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A list of subcontractors on the job, obtained by the Voice, includes many with Palin ties. One was Spenard Builders Supply, the state's leading supplier of wood, floor, roof, and other "pre-engineered components." In addition to being a sponsor of Todd Palin's snow-machine team that has earned tens of thousands for the Palin family, Spenard hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004. When the Palins began building a new family home off Lake Lucille in 2002—at the same time that Palin was running for lieutenant governor and in her final months as mayor—Spenard supplied the materials, according to Antoine Bricks, who works in its Wasilla office.
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Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house himself, with the help of contractors he described as "buddies." As mayor, Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits in the wide-open city, and there is no public record of who the "buddies" were.
Fred Malek, a Republican strategist who has advised Palin over the past year, said Palin was "really unhappy with the way her life was going."
ReplyDelete"She felt that the pressures of the job combined with her family obligations and the demands and desires to help other Republican candidates led her to decide not to run again. Once that decision was made, she realized, why not do it now and let the lieutenant governor take over and get a head start on his election," Malek said.
By RACHEL D'ORO – 49 minutes ago
Associated Press
So in other words, she couldn't handle the pressure, so she quit.
ReplyDelete"Cheating the tax payers for personal gain, how typically repugnant a reich-winger she really is."
ReplyDeleteAmazing Cliffy.
Perhaps we should just execute her now. I mean, why wait until there's a trial or she's actually PROVEN guilty of anything right?
Another bogus charge by those scared shitless of her.
Hey Cliffy,
ReplyDeleteWanna talk about Obama's land dealings with Tony Rezko?
Yeah I know Mikey.
ReplyDeleteThat is just so ancient history.
Lets talk about something current.
How about talking about how you clowns will LOSE the health care battle AND lose a few more seats in the Senate in 2010!
ReplyDeleteFrom the bradblog article ........
ReplyDeleteMax Blumenthal at Daily Beast asks "Did a Scandal Sink the U.S.S. Palin?":
One logical place to start looking is the affair that has Alaska political circles buzzing: an alleged scandal centered around a building contractor, Spenard Building Supplies, with close ties to Palin and her husband, Todd.
Many political observers in Alaska are fixated on rumors that federal investigators have been seizing paperwork from SBS in recent months, searching for evidence that Palin and her husband Todd steered lucrative contracts to the well-connected company in exchange for gifts like the construction of their home on pristine Lake Lucille in 2002.
Blumenthal goes on to report that "Prior to her sudden announcement, Palin gave every indication that she intended to complete her tenure as governor," before detailing her recent activity suggesting exactly that.
More PAY the reich wing repugies like the K street project and Duke Cunningham and Abramoff scandals to get taxpayers money for private contracts. How repugnant of the Palins .............
Yo duncetron the gutless, looks like the FBI thinks there is something to the rumors, since they ARE collecting evidence.
ReplyDeleteVoltron said...
ReplyDeleteYou mean it's better to stay IN a job and ignore it completely to run for higher office, like one of our Senators here in Illinois did recently?
She's the Governor of the State, which is like being the President. A Congressman is not responsible for running the state. She is.
Just like Sanford, who left his state ungoverned for days just so he could go get a booty call.
Palin could have finished her term. We just finished the election. She's got years before she needs to start campaigning seriously.
When asked she cited the "long commute" to the State Capitol as an issue. She cited the mean comedians. And the pressure.
In a nutshell, little Sarah has figured out what her fans like you haven't.
She figured out she's better off making babies, entering beauty pageants and shooting Moose from a helicopter. She at least she likes that stuff more.
If Palin is dumb,caribou Barbie,ignorant,trailor park trash,unqualified and so on and so on...why the hell are the leftwing
ReplyDeleteloons so damn scared of her.
If shes all that you say,just let it go.Why is she the lefts
boogeyman? It just does'nt make much sense.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIf Palin is dumb,caribou Barbie,ignorant,trailor park trash,unqualified and so on and so on...why the hell are the leftwing
loons so damn scared of her.
If shes all that you say,just let it go.Why is she the lefts
boogeyman? It just does'nt make much sense.
Well, if you could read, you'd know that a breaking news story just was released that she called a press conference, (again), this time to announce that she's quitting her job as governor and walking off the job.
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If you don't like people talking about Sarah so much, maybe you should ask her to stop holding so many press conferences.
"She's the Governor of the State, which is like being the President. A Congressman is not responsible for running the state. She is."
ReplyDeleteAh I see, you mean she WAS more qualified to be president than Obama was...
Ah I see, you mean she WAS more qualified to be president than Obama was...
ReplyDeleteNO, and the voters saw that last November gutless.
Voltron said...
ReplyDeleteAh I see, you mean she WAS more qualified to be president than Obama was...
Being a state governor doesn't mean you're qualified. Being smart does. But Sarah isn't smart.
And now we see she can't even handle the job of Governor.
So not only wasn't she smart enough to be a President in the modern world, she wasn't even remotely qualified.
Because she walked off the job.
And nobodies going to take her seriously for President now that they've seen how she handles pressure.
ReplyDeleteWhatever,you still have'nt answered the question.Why are the lefties scared of this woman?
ReplyDeleteWhatever,you still have'nt answered the question.Why are the lefties scared of this woman?
ReplyDeleteNo ones scared of her little boy, hiding behind your anonymous handle.
ReplyDeleteI see they have you drones out in force tonight.
And your spin won't change this. She walked off the job.
She couldn't hack it.
She's a quitter, and what's more this came out of the blue, showing her instability as a leader.
She's done mate.
Finished.
Book signing tours is all she has left.
But if you want to run her, then by all means. DO.
ReplyDelete:)
We implore you.
She obviously isn't ready for the BIG world of Washington if she can't handle the teeny tiny world of Juneau, when the going gets tough there.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the "toothpick brigade" is watching yet another of their myths melt down.
ReplyDeleteIt must be tough, to continue to idolize people when the whole world is either laughing at you, spitting on you, or both. Maybe the toothpickers should take a cue from their pedophile dope addict hero and grab a bottle or two of Oxy. I understand it makes the day pass far more pleasantly if you can't stand who and what you are.
Well this explains a lot Clif.
ReplyDeleteNotice how the drones are out in force tonight, spinning like little tops for Queen Sarah.
This explains why republicans are so utterly incompetent.
Its because they think a Governor who walks off the job because she doesn't like the commute, and wants to earn money from a book, ....would make a great President.
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bawahahahahhahahahahahhaa
BTW Worf, sher has a history of quitting;
ReplyDeleteShe quit more than one college taking six years to get a four year degree in journalism,
She quit the energy board job she didn't like,
and now the going gets a little tough, she quits the job she promised to keep for four years.
Once a quitter always a quitter.
yep........the trolls are out in full force tonight......surprise surprise.
ReplyDeleteI'll be honest. I don't think that (former) Governor Palin has the gravitas to be president. Not at this point in time, anyway. Having said that, though, I certainly would rather have HER as neighbor (say) than this Cliffy character. I mean, talk about a nut-boy, huh?
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me that when the Palin clan comes into town dragging the kids and the kids kids, Todd and the Snowmobiles, etc...the land values don't exactly "climb" in the neighborhood.
ReplyDeletePoor widdle will so much attention seeking for the concern troll, so little brain power to do it.
ReplyDeleteoh yeah,
ReplyDeleteus trolls are out in force tonight, in lock step and everything.
i agreed with you dumbasses about palin, and said as much.
maybe i should reconsider it, since i am getting lumped in as a troll anyway (and really, i think someone being here as long as volt and will have been no longer qualify as a trolls, look it up).
she said she will be talking more about it, i will read it. i do not take much stock in what bradblog has to say about much, they are a bunch of conspiracy idiots.
big k
at this point she would have to say something pretty profound to get me to vote for her in a primary. although, i would still take her over bho any day of the week.
ReplyDeleteWill,
ReplyDeleteGravitas is much over rated.
Look at where gravitas has gotten us so far.
Perhaps what we need is a common man and common sense type president.
Even if your scenario is correct, Bart, I'd still take her over Cliffy. The frigging guy mows his lawn at midnight, for Christ!
ReplyDeleteVolt, like I've said before, I actually like Palin. As a person. And if she had a talk show, I'd probably watch it. The woman is hot, I think. I just can't envision her as President. Not at this point in her career. What about Pawlenty? He's smarter than Palin and not nearly as divisive.
ReplyDeleteThey ALWAYS lump us together, big K. Volt and I don't always agree (50-50, probably). Like on Palin, for example. But we're friends and we get along. And they hate that. They absolute hate it. Disagreements in THEIR minds must always be bile-filled.
ReplyDeleteKevin said...
ReplyDeletei agreed with you dumbasses about palin, and said as much.
maybe i should reconsider it, since i am getting lumped in as a troll anyway
I don't recall you ever being lumped out as one.
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As for reconsidering Palin, by all means, DO.
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteEven if your scenario is correct, Bart, I'd still take her over Cliffy. The frigging guy mows his lawn at midnight,!
Well you won't have to worry about that with the Palins, that's for sure.
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I don't even think they own a lawn mower.
...probably buy some sheep to eat the grass short.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, why do you sound just like Rusty?
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Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteThey ALWAYS lump us together, big K.
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Well you are similar lumps.
Me and Rusty? Now me and Rusty are the same guy? Oh, my Lord!
ReplyDeleteInstant Classic
ReplyDeleteHey, I just asked why you sounded like Rusty.
ReplyDeleteWhy so paranoid?
Why so defensive?
Incredulous (as in how many identities do you think I have?). Not defensive. Hey, you should like Russ. On many occasions, he's referred to you as the "brains of the operation".
ReplyDeletewow
ReplyDeleteNo one said you were crusty.
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Why are you so paranoid?
Worf widdle will isn't as much paranoid as needin' a good readin' comprehension course.
ReplyDeleteHe is that dense.
Any denser and he'd be a black hole.
ReplyDeleteBest post about caribou barbie's cut and run defense;
ReplyDeletePalin Scandal Revealed
Makes about as much sense as her word salad new conference,
BTW widdle will, you didn't pen that fer her did ya?
She shot Bullwinkle?
ReplyDeleteShe's worse than Natasha.
"I am deeply disappointed that the Governor has decided to abandon the State and her constituents before her term has concluded"
ReplyDeleteSen. Lisa Murkowski (REPUBLICAN, ALASKA)
Yea, she'll be "President" alright.
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Of the Miss Anchorage beauty pageant society.
I'm also disappointed st sarah ain't a runnin' 'gain,
ReplyDeleteshe is comedy gold.
And too stoopid to know it either.
The pencil brigade is spinning and spinning, but all they're getting is a bunch of sawdust and nubs.
ReplyDeletePity, that is.
I'd absolutely write a speech for her, Clif. She'd have to show me her boobs, though. And, no, not those wallet-sized shots she has of you and Bart. Hey, Bart, why do you sound so much like Clif?
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, guys, we still have Joe Biden to laugh at. "Stand up and take a bow", he says to the guy confined to a wheelchair. LOL Even Obama. He thinks we have 57 states, for Christ!!!
ReplyDeleteAllright Will, I rered some of your posts...........you said your not in complete opposition to Single Payer, but you'd like to see it as a last resort.........course that was after you attacked, maligned and smeared Single Payer for over 2 full days...........but does that meam you support health care reform with a government option?
ReplyDeleteWill "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, guys, we still have Joe Biden to laugh at. "Stand up and take a bow", he says to the guy confined to a wheelchair. LOL Even Obama. He thinks we have 57 states, for Christ!!!
Who's "we"?
I thought you were a "left leaning moderate".
Why are you making far right insults of President Obama and Vice President Biden,...and saying "we" still have them to laugh at?
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Who's "we"?
So much for the "I'm a left leaning moderate" facade, ay big mouth?
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Thanks to a poorly timed cRusty monologue, Will has finally come out of the "closet".
ReplyDeleteAnd he was as Clif predicted all along.
A dirty little chickenshit lying right wing troll, pretending to be a "left leaning moderate".
Game over.
Will's off working on his latest spin to explain why he suddenly started mocking the left from the position of the right, mocking the President, Vice President, and gleefully so, and saying "we still have them to laugh at".
ReplyDeleteHere, let me guess at his latest excuse.
"that's not what I meant to say"....or "I was just upset",....or I was just kidding....or wait for it...wait for it...how about ..."that wasn't me I tell you!...it was an impostor!"...
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Please check one of the above.
"We" is the general public, a-wipe. You see, Bartleschuck, the general public will just as easily laugh at a Repubican clown (Dan Quayle, a perfect example) as they will a Democratic clown. And, besides, I just love to stick it to you guys.
ReplyDeleteyou sound very angry Will........Why is that?
ReplyDeleteAnd why would you be insulting and mocking the President and VP......like a slimy Right Winger would?
Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
ReplyDeleteDon't worry, guys, we still have Joe Biden to laugh at. "Stand up and take a bow", he says to the guy confined to a wheelchair. LOL Even Obama. He thinks we have 57 states, for Christ!!!
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So much for the ole "but...but I'm a moderate I tell you!" routine.
It's all about consistency, fellas'. If Palin is an idiot for botching up an interview, then Caroline Kennedy is also an idiot when she botches one up. If McCain has dementia whenever he makes a stupid comment, then Biden also has to have dementia when he makes a "gaffes". If Bush is a Hitler for warrantless wiretapping, keeping prisoners without charges indefinitely, rendering prisoners to torture-mad countries, etc., then Obama has to be a Hitler, too, when he does likewise. Not that you're ever going to BE consistent, of course.
ReplyDeleteNow your comparing our President and VP............to intellectul lightweights and laughingstocks like Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin........and you call that a fair and balanced moderate.
ReplyDeleteQuayle was from like 2 decades ago.........is that ALL you have to criticize on the Right some irrelevant moron from 2 decades ago?
I'll mock whoever I want to mock, Mike. It's a free country. I mean, at least I though it was.
ReplyDeleteSure Willy..........your just trying to balance out the overwhelmingly far left blogospere.........kinda like Phoney New is trying to balance out the "left wing media"
ReplyDeleteYour a champion of truth honesty and the American way just like Fox News Aye Will?