Wednesday, October 25, 2006


Destiny and I opened at PECHANGA CASINO Theater for Paul Rodriguez on Friday night. It's a 1500 seat theater, and Seinfeld performs there next month. It was a great show. Rodriguez really reaches out to the Hispanic and Indian communities.
The Indian Chiefs come to see him and are big fans of his.

Doing comedy is like sculpting the air with jokes. Being an actress, I always think I need a script, but it's more fun being surprised — improvising. We got to experiment with a large theater and not freak out! Actually we didn't have any time to rehearse, so I had to take a leap of faith. But the moment we stepped onto the stage, all the fear went away and Destiny and I just played with each other. We are just trying out our new material and getting comfortable with each other. It's kind of scary.

Paul Rodriguez has some very important things to say about Latino immigrants and the sad idea of putting up a wall at the border. He also has a lot of wisdom about Iraq.

KOKOMO, INDIANA: Larry Johnson is an amazing spirit and has a great mission, a great radio show. Also did a 3-hour co-host gig on Allan James' show (WIOU 1350 AM and WZWZ 92.5 FM The "Z93 Morning Show".) Robert Dreyfuss, investigative journalist for Rolling Stone, The Nation and Mother Jones joined me. We had a blast and did newspaper interviews for the labor unions. We must support the workers of America! They are our backbone. I'll have a full story on this whole trip soon.

Where have all the young men gone... to coffins in Iraq.

“ To learn that not only you suffer, but the other person also suffers, the other group of people also suffers… when you touch the suffering in other people you want to help, and when you want to help, compassion is born in you… you don’t suffer anymore, and you are motivated by the desire to do something, to be something for other people…and that is Peace. ”
~ Thich Nhat Hahn
Zen Buddhist monk, nominated by Martin Luther King, Jr.
for the Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless work to end the Vietnam War

Here is a new letter from Marcus Byrne, our brave resident soldier in Iraq:

I've come to realize there is an inherent flaw in Neo Cons running a war of stability and support operations (SASO). They lack the morals and values necessary to fight such a war correctly. To fight a an insurgency correctly requires empathy, to know how the people are suffering and being able to correct it before your enemy can. It require an ability to understand complex social structures and networks and work within those networks to achieve compromise amongst the indigenous people. In other words, a war such as this requires flexible diplomacy from the strategic to the tactical level with a common goal. That goal was unapparent in the beginning months of this war and that's when we lost our momentum. The Neo Cons don't even care about the people they supposedly govern, I reference Hurricane Katrina as one example, why would they care about the plight of people who can't unelect them, or have no power to stop them. Terrorism is the war of the powerless, and war is the terrorism of the powerful. So, what are the powerless going to resort to when they see their grievances, inflicted by us, are not being addressed? The war of the powerless. So, Neo Cons, lacking simple human emotions, morals, and values, and having no other goals but unlimited power, are the wrong people to fight any war, much less a war where the will of the occupied is the center of gravity, and the deciding factor for victory.

Great Words from Great Writer E.L. Doctorow, written earlier this year:

I fault this president (George W. Bush) for not knowing what death is. He does not suffer the death of our twenty-one year olds who wanted to be what they could be. On the eve of D-day in 1944 General Eisenhower prayed to God for the lives of the young soldiers he knew were going to die. He knew what death was. Even in a justifiable war, a war not of choice but
of necessity, a war of survival, the cost was almost more than Eisenhower could bear.

But this president does not know what death is. He hasn't the mind for it. You see him joking with the press, peering under the table for the WMDs he can't seem to find, you see him at rallies strutting up to the stage in shirt sleeves to the roar of the
carefully screened crowd, smiling and waving, triumphal, a he-man. He does not mourn. He doesn't understand why he should mourn. He is satisfied during the course of a speech written for him to look solemn for a moment and speak of the brave young Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country.

But you study him, you look into his eyes and know he dissembles an emotion which he does not feel in the depths of his being because he has no capacity for it. He does not feel a personal responsibility for the thousand dead young men and women who wanted to be what they could be.

They come to his desk not as youngsters with mothers and fathers or wives and children who will suffer to the end of their days a terribly torn fabric of familial relationships and the inconsolable remembrance of aborted life.... They come to his
desk as a political liability which is why the press is not permitted to photograph the arrival of their coffins from Iraq.

How then can he mourn? To mourn is to express regret and he regrets nothing. He does not regret that his
reason for going to war was, as he knew, unsubstantiated by the facts. He does not regret that his bungled plan for the war's aftermath has made of his mission-accomplished a disaster. He does not regret that rather than controlling terrorism his war in Iraq has licensed it. He does not feel for the families of the dead; he does not feel for the thirty five million of us who live in poverty; he does not feel for the forty percent who cannot afford health insurance; he does not feel for those who retire only to lose pensions; he does not feel for the miners whose lungs are turning black or for the working people he has deprived of the chance to work overtime at time-and-a-half to pay their bills --- it is amazing for how many people in this
country this President does not feel.

But he will dissemble feeling. He will say in all sincerity he is relieving the wealthiest one percent of the population of their tax burden for the sake of the rest of us, and that he is polluting the air we breathe for the sake of our economy, and that he is decreasing the safety regulations for coal minesto save the coal miners' jobs, and that he is depriving workers of their time-and-a-half benefits for overtime because this is actually a way to honor them by raising them into the professional class.

And this litany of lies he will versify with reverences for God and the flag and democracy, when just what he and his party are doing to our democracy is choking the life out of it.But there is one more terribly sad thing about all of this. I remember the millions of people here and around the world who marched against the war. It was extraordinary, that spontaneously aroused every soul to alarm and protest that transcended national borders. Why did it happen? After all, this was not the only war anyone had ever seen coming. There are little wars all over the world most of the time.

But the cry of protest was the appalled understanding of millions of people throughout the world that America was ceding its role as the last best hope of mankind. It was their perception that the classic archetype of democracy was morphing into a rogue nation. The greatest democratic republic in history was turning its back on the future, using its extraordinary power and standing not to advance the ideal of a concordance of civilizations but to endorse the kind of tribal combat that originated with the Neanderthals, a people, now extinct, who
could imagine ensuring their survival by no other means than pre-emptive war.


  1. The hollow emptiness of George Bush echoes through out the policies he pursues and the justifications he gives for them. The fact he could say "stay the course" for over three years and when it became a liability DENY he was about stay the course, is the perfect illustration of the emptiness of his soul and lack of character.

    The deaths that he and His policies of starting an Illegal war caused, and them REFUSING to attend even ONE funeral speaks volumes of the callousness of his feelings for those he sends into harms way and then ignores unless there is a need for a photo op to prop HIM up again for political purposes.

    He claims he does not read polls, but can change his explanations of what he is trying to do, and why as the polls change. And when they go south on him as they have done this year and ONLY then has he admitted he might NOT be the omnipresent decider he claimed to be. And that he wants to seem open to others views is belied by the fact he spends LESS time listening to the people who are experts in the fields of the military and middle east, than the right wing talking heads.

    Bush is all about George W Bush and those who got him where he is today, daddy's friends and the Neo-cons they hang with. And he is not going to do anything for the troops which conflicts with his first loyalties the Bush cabal and the Neo-con oil cartel. The troops are merely pawns in their grand scheme of middle east control and domination of the oil markets which prop up the US currency and allow these greedy sycophants to rule as they do, in an UNAMERICAN and UNCHRISTIAN manner.

  2. N. Korea threatens war if South joins sanctions
    Threat has been issued before; Putin warns not to back North into a corner.

    Reuters Updated: 7:27 a.m. MT Oct 25, 2006
    SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea warned South Korea on Wednesday against joining U.S.-led sanctions against Pyongyang and said it would take action after any such move by Seoul.

    “South Korea, forced by the United States, has already halted inter-Korea humanitarian projects and is moving to stop cooperation in other areas. The South is even revealing an intention to join U.S.-led military operations aimed at blockade against us," the spokesman was quoted as saying.

    “South Korea’s participation in the U.S. racket to put pressure upon the North ... is a serious provocation leading to a crisis of war on the Korean peninsula,” the spokesman reportedly said.

    “If South Korea joins the U.S. ploy to pressure us, we will consider it as a declaration of a showdown and take corresponding actions,” the spokesman added.

    The North issued a similar warning in September before it conducted a nuclear test earlier this month, prompting the U.N. Security Council to impose financial and arms sanctions on North Korea.

    Asia-Pacific powers are trying to pin down the details of U.N. sanctions imposed on North Korea for its Oct. 9 test that Pyongyang blamed on Wednesday on U.S. “double standards” on nuclear issues.

    Putin: Don't back North Korea into a corner
    In Moscow, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday that North Korea should not be backed into a corner over its nuclear test.

    Referring to the six-party talks, Putin said one of the reasons Pyongyang had resorted to conducting the test was that “not all participants in negotiations were able to find the correct tone...”

    “You must never push one of the participants in talks into a corner and place it in a situation from which it can find no way out other than boosting tension,” he said answering questions on live television.

  3. Boy, Putin sure sounds alot smarter than our idiot in chief,

  4. Marcus said;

    Terrorism is the war of the powerless, and war is the terrorism of the powerful.

    This has got to be the single most profound, concise and factual statement I have heard since the war on terrorism began.

    These two sentences say it all.

    We should repeat this as often and as to as many people, as possible.

  5. Yea Mike. Putin has demonstrated some amazing wisdom since he took office.

    Just look at how he reacted on 911.

    He took the time to call Bush personally, and offer ANY assistance we needed, and also advised the President that he would not raise the ThreatCON of his military even though we raised ours, something they would normally do.

    He was generous and understanding and what did Bush say about it?

    it was nice of him.

  6. Special Comment: Advertising terrorism
    The key to terrorism is not the act — but the fear of the act

    By Keith Olbermann
    Anchor, 'Countdown'
    Updated: 7:40 p.m. MT Oct 23, 2006
    Tonight, a special comment on the advertising of terrorism – the commercial you have already seen.

    It is a distillation of everything this administration and the party in power have tried to do these last five years and six weeks.

    It is from the Republican National Committee;

    It shows images of Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri;

    It offers quotes from them—all as a clock ticks ominously in the background.

    It concludes with what Zawahiri may or may not have said to a Pakistani journalist as long ago as 2001: His dubious claim that he had purchased “suitcase bombs.”

    The quotation is followed (by sheer coincidence no doubt) by an image of a massive explosion.

    “These are the stakes,” appears on the screen, quoting exactly from Lyndon Johnson’s infamous nuclear scare commercial from 1964.

    “Vote—November 7th.”

    There is a cheap “Texas Chainsaw Massacre” quality to the whole thing, and it also serves to immediately call to mind the occasions when President Bush dismissed Osama bin Laden as somebody he didn’t think about—except, obviously, when elections were near.

    Frankly, a lot of people seeing that commercial for the first time, have laughed out loud.

    But—not everyone.

    And therein lies the true threat to this country.

    The dictionary definition of the word “terrorize” is simple and not open to misinterpretation:

    “To fill or overpower with terror; terrify. To coerce by intimidation or fear.”

    Note please, that the words “violence” and “death” are missing from that definition.

    The key to terror, the key to terrorism, is not the act—but the fear of the act.

    That is why bin Laden and his deputies and his imitators are forever putting together videotaped statements and releasing virtual infomercials with dire threats and heart-stopping warnings.

    But why is the Republican Party imitating them?

    Bin Laden puts out what amounts to a commercial of fear; The Republicans put out what is unmistakable as a commercial of fear.

    The Republicans are paying to have the messages of bin Laden and the others broadcast into your home.

    Only the Republicans have a bigger bank roll.

    When, last week, the CNN network ran video of an insurgent in Iraq, evidently stalking and killing an American soldier, the Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Mr. Hunter, Republican of California, branded that channel, quote, “the publicist for an enemy propaganda film” and that CNN used it “to sell commercials.”

    Another California Republican, Rep. Brian Bilbray, called the video “nothing short of a terrorist snuff film.”

    If so, Mr. Bilbray, then what in the hell is your Party’s new advertisement?

    And Mr. Hunter, CNN using the video to “sell commercials”?


    You have adopted bin Laden and Zawahiri as spokesmen for the Republican National Committee!

    “To fill or overpower with terror; terrify. To coerce by intimidation or fear.”

    By this definition, the people who put these videos together—first the terrorists and then the administration—whose shared goal is to scare you into panicking instead of thinking—they are the ones terrorizing you.

    By this definition, the leading terrorist group in this world right now is al Qaida.

    But the leading terrorist group in this country right now is the Republican Party.

    Eleven Presidents ago, a chief executive reassured us that “we have nothing to fear but fear itself.”

    His distant successor has wasted his administration insisting that there is nothing we can have but fear itself.

    The vice president, as recently as this month, was caught campaigning with the phrase “mass death in the United States.”

    Four years ago it was the now-Secretary of State, Dr. Rice, rationalizing Iraq with “we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.”

    Days later Mr. Bush himself told an audience that “we cannot wait for the final proof, the smoking gun, that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.”

    And now we have this cheesy commercial—complete with images of a faked mushroom cloud, and implications of “mass death in America.”

    This administration has derived benefit and power from terrorizing the very people it claims to be protecting from terror.

    It may be the oldest trick in the political book: scare people into believing they are in danger and that only you can save them.

    Lyndon Johnson used it to bury Barry Goldwater.

    Joe McCarthy leaped from obscurity on its back.

    And now the legacy has come to President George Bush.

    Of course, the gruel of fear is getting thinner and thinner, is it not, Mr. President?

    And thus more and more of it needs to be made out of less and less actual terror.

    After last week’s embarrassing Internet hoax about ‘dirty bombs’ at football stadiums, the one your Department of Homeland Security immediately disseminated to the public, a self-described “former CIA operative” named Wayne Simmons, cited the fiasco as “the, and I mean the, perfect example of the President’s Military Commissions Act of 2006 and the NSA terrorist eavesdropping program - how vital they are.”

    Frank Gaffney, once a respected assistant secretary of defense and now the president of something called the Center for Security Policy, added, “one of the things that I hope Americans take away from this, is not only that they’re gunning for us not just in a place like Iraq—but truly, worldwide.”

    Of course, the “they” to which Mr. Gaffney referred, turned out to be a lone 20-year-old grocery bagger from Wisconsin named Jake—a kid, trying to one-up some other loser in an Internet game of chicken.

    His “threat,” referenced seven football stadiums at which dirty bombs were to be exploded yesterday. It began with the one in New York City - even though there isn’t one in New York City. And though the attacks were supposed to be simultaneous, four of the games were scheduled to start at 1 p.m. ET and the others at 4 p.m. ET.

    More over, the kid said he’d posted the identical message on 40 websites since September.

    We caught him in “merely” about six weeks, even though the only way he could have been less subtle, less stealthy, and less of a threat was if he’d bought an advertisement on the Super Bowl broadcast.

    Mr. Bush, this is the—what? – 100th plot your people have revealed, that turned out to be some nonsensical misunderstanding, or the fabrications of somebody hoping to talk his way off a water board in Eastern Europe?

    If, Mr. President, this is the kind of crack work that your new ad implies that only you and not the Democrats can do, you, sir, need to pull over and ask for directions.

    The real question of course, Mr. Bush, is why did your Department of Homeland Security even release this information in the first place?

    It was never a serious threat. Even the first news accounts quoted a Homeland spokesman as admitting “strong skepticism”—the kind of strong skepticism which most government agencies address before telling the public, not afterwards.

    So that leaves two options, Mr. President.

    The first option: you and your department of Homeland Security don’t have the slightest idea what you’re doing. Thus, contrary to your flip-flopping between saying “we’re safe” and saying “but we’re not safe enough,” and contrary to the vice president’s swaggering pronouncements about the lack of another attack since 9/11, the last five years has been just an accident.

    Or there’s the second option: your political operatives leaked this nonsense for the same reason your political operatives put out that commercial—to scare the gullible.

    Obviously the correct answer, Mr. Bush, is all of the above.

    There are some of us who could forgive you for trying to run your candidates on the coattails of the Grim Reaper, for reducing your party’s existence to “Death and Attacks Us.”

    It’s cynical and barbaric.

    But, after all, it may be merely the natural extension of the gutter politics to which you have subscribed since you sidled over from baseball, and the business world of other people’s money.

    But to forgive you for terrorizing us, we would have to believe you somehow competent in keeping others from doing so.

    Yet, last week, construction workers repairing a subway line in New York City, were cleaning out an abandoned manhole on the edge of the World Trade Center site, when they stumbled on to the impossible: human remains from 9/11.

    Bones and fragments.

    Eighty of them.

    Some as much as a foot long.

    The victims had been lying, literally in the gutter, for five years and five weeks.

    The families and friends of each of the 2,749 dead—who had been grimly told in May of 2002 that there were no more remains to be found—were struck anew as if the terrorism of that day had just happened again.

    And over the weekend they’ve found still more remains.

    And now this week will be spent looking in places that should have already been looked at a thousand times five years ago.

    For all the victims in New York, Mr. Bush—the living and the dead—it’s a touch of 9/11 all over again.

    And the mayor of this city, who called off the search four-and-a-half years ago is a Republican.

    The governor of this state with whom he conferred is a Republican.

    The House of Representatives, Republican.

    The Senate, Republican.

    The President, Republican.

    And yet you can actually claim that you and you alone can protect us from terrorism?

    You can’t even recover our dead from the battlefield—the battlefield in an American city—when we’ve given you five years and unlimited funds to do so!

    While signing a Military Commissions Act so monstrous that it has been criticized by even the John Birch Society, you told us, Mr. Bush, “there is nothing we can do to bring back the men and women lost on September 11th, 2001. Yet we’ll always honor their memory, and we will never forget the way they were taken from us.”

    Except, of course, for the ones who’ve been lying under a manhole cover for five years.

    Setting aside the fact that your government has done nothing else for those five years but pat yourselves on the back about terror, while waging pointless war on the wrong enemy in Iraq, and waging war on the cherished freedoms in America;

    Just on this subject of counter-terrorism, sir, yours is the least competent government, in time of crisis, in this country’s history!

    “These are the stakes,” indeed, Mr. President.

    You do not know what you are doing.

    And the commercial—the one about which Zawahiri might say “hey, pretty good—we love your choice of font style”?

    All that need further be said is to add three words to Shakespeare.

    Mr. President, you, and that advertisement of terror, are full of sound and fury—signifying (and competent at) nothing.

  7. Bush should listen to Putin.

    Don't back North Korea into a corner. Stop with all the "tough talk" and stop insulting and alienating countries and their leaders.

  8. I meant to say that earlier in the last blog, but I had a meeting this morning, that was an awesome post by Marcus, it was right on the money on many levels and that quote about terrorism is brilliant

  9. you never back anyone into a corner, cornered people or animals are desperate and desperate people make desperate decisions, people dont think clearly when they are desperate.

  10. More voter fraud.....ahhh....but different!

    Will it ever end? Will there ever be a time in our country when Americans can go and vote and won't feel like Big Brother and his Minions are actively working to take our votes away to keep themselves in power? Jees!

    Some voting machines are cutting off the last name of the voter on the summary page (shocked to hear that there was a summary page on these freaking machines!) and even candidates like James Webb has a last name that is too long for this page. Spit. Who wants to bet that internally in these computerized voting machines it "throws away" any ballot with a last name longer than 3 letters! Okay, maybe not but it just seems weird that the summary page is half-assed.

    posted by KayInMaine at 8:40 AM

  11. clif said...
    "Kay it is even bad for the troops, they give the low ranking troops a paltry 2.2% increase, or about $33.00 per month for a private, but the top 125 generals get a 8.7% increase or about $1100.00. Bush ET AL are trying to BUY off the top brass.

    And some of the troops families are told to go on welfare to make ends meet, the Military EVEN runs a WIC office in overseas areas of deployment.

    The MILITARY website even has THIS PAGE for soldiers to find out how to apply for WIC benefits."

    I can NOT believe the hubris of this Administration that they would tell the troops families they need welfare because the Idiot in Chief and His minions can not find enough money to pay the lower grade troops, IN A TIME OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

    And I'll bet the government workers at the local welfare offices make the soldiers wives feel like SHIT for applying for benefits because their husbands some of who are in Iraq and Afghanistan

    Wednesday, 25 October, 2006

  12. Soldiers wives should not need to apply for welfare.

    Look at it this way. In the work force we are compensated for our time, and capabilities and our level of commitment to the firm.

    Active Duty soldiers are working literally around the clock. They are highly skilled, highly trained and dedicate their full time talents and energy to their firm, in this case, the US.

    So it stands to reason that while soldiers are deployed fulltime into combat zones, their pay should REFLECT their job roles.

    Their pay should be similar to what the contractors are making over there, as long as they are there.

    Anyway thats what I think.

  13. |

    Gandhi's Talisman

    "I will give you a talisman. Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man [woman] whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him [her]. Will he [she] gain anything by it? Will it restore him [her] to a control over his [her] own life and destiny? In other words, will it lead to swaraj [freedom] for the hungry and spiritually starving millions?
    Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away."

    - One of the last notes left behind by Gandhi in 1948, expressing his deepest social thought.

    Source: Mahatma Gandhi [Last Phase, Vol. II (1958), P. 65].

  14. “There is nothing that wastes the body like worry, and one who has any faith in God should be ashamed to worry about anything whatsoever”

  15. Clippy sounds just like Moo Moo, who sounds just like Rusty, who sounds just like the guy impersonating us today.


  16. Johnny was clearly sent here for a reason last night, he is either on Coulter's or TT's payroll or both or being used by them because he CRAVES attention.

  17. notice how Johnny is now parooting the Reich Wing goons lies................................i'll guarentee that the moronic we should mosey on over to Iraq and become nurses in a war we oppose comment came from that retarded witch Coulter, that stupid talking point has her stench all over it.

  18. Mike said;

    Mike said...
    Johnny was clearly sent here for a reason last night

    You noticed that too?

    It was weird. We were having a fairly civil discussion, and suddenly he starts insulting and taunting us out of the blue, with no apparent motive other than to break up a decent conversation and draw attention to himself.

  19. I wouldn't be surprised to find out he was in cohoots with the slug known as Coulter.

    He really is transparent lately.

  20. And coming in to insult Marcus using our names?

    That was just pathetic.

    I am glad Lydia nuked them.

  21. And I see she nuked my profanity filled responses too.


    When I get banned from here I'll be out of blogs, lol.

  22. Clif said;

    The hollow emptiness of George Bush echoes through out the policies he pursues and the justifications he gives for them.

    Clif. Did you write that?

  23. The first post is by me worfeus. Yes I did write that.

  24. You're getting pretty good.

  25. I wonder how Marcus is doing tonight?

    I wonder what he's doing.

    Since its 4 in the morning I guess he's sleeping, but over there you never know.

  26. The Dixie Chicks are on Larry King.....

    That is GOOD,

    Their message is getting around the pinheaded repug slime machine.

    Bush is an EMBARRASSMENT for the entire country.

  27. The Dixie Chix are great.

  28. Worfeus an Officer in a combat zone does not get many full nights of sleep, and it is going to be time to get up and stand to, which everybody does at dawn and dusk, because militarily they are high probability times of attacking and being attacked.

    You get up 1/2 hour before sun up and everybody is awake and ready if it happens.

    Marcus is probably losing a lot of sleep over there as are most of the troops.

  29. Two retired Generals, John Batiste and Paul Eaton say the best thing for our country would be for the Democrats to take control of both houses of Congress.

    This from two who know Bush well.

  30. Well Clif maybe this will help him sleep a little better, or at least give him some hope.

    U.S. generals call for Democratic takeover
    Disgusted with the leadership of the Iraq war, two retired generals say the GOP must go. Plus: More than 100 current military personnel join a campaign to get the U.S. out of Iraq
    By Mark Benjamin
    Oct. 25, 2006

    Two retired senior Army generals, who served in Iraq and previously voted Republican, are now openly endorsing a Democratic takeover of Congress. The generals, and an active-duty senior military official, told Salon in separate interviews that they believe a Democratic victory will help reverse course from what they consider to be a disastrous Bush administration policy in Iraq. The two retired generals, Maj. Gen. John Batiste and Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, first openly criticized the handling of the war last spring, when they called for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

    "The best thing that can happen right now is for one or both of our houses to go Democratic so we can have some oversight," Batiste, who led the Army's 1st Infantry Division in Iraq in 2004 and 2005, told Salon. Batiste describes himself as a "lifelong Republican." But now, he said, "It is time for a change."

  31. Hey Larry. Didn't see you there.

    I was just reading that too.

  32. Hey Larry.

    Whats the difference between Republicans and Democrats?

    The democrats can't agree on anything, and the republicans are "all on the same PAGE".


  33. I just didn't take the time to print the full thing. I paraphrased.

  34. Sorry.

    Cracked myself up.

  35. I like that Worftron.

    It took me awhile to get on the blog tonight.

  36. Yea. Looks like Blogger was down.

    Blogger was doing some maintenence earlier so I imagine it was related.

  37. I never know, sometimes the trolls lock me out so I just read what everyone else posts.

  38. I hope the blog leaves blogger soon. That will clear up a lot of trash.

  39. I hope the blog leaves blogger soon. That will clear up a lot of trash.

  40. Well hopefully in a couple of weeks the trolls will see the election results and consider the honorable way out according to the samurai.

  41. The trolls are like Bush. They can't admit their world is screwed up with self-inflictions.

  42. Larry, I dont blame you for saying it twice that you hope the blog leaves blogger, I think blogger sucks.

  43. BTW, how did the radio shows go last week?

  44. I will be happy to donate my uncles captured hari kari knife.

  45. Blogger seems to have a lot of problems. Lydia did say she was going to move if it doesn't improve so I guess maybe she will.

    They do have a lot of problems.

  46. Radio shows went very well. I have met a lot of people, and Lydia has to be the nicest one I have ever met.

  47. Worfeus I was thinking about them doing it with a "dull knife"................LOL

  48. Yes. I was going to put a butter knife in the box.


  49. From TPM

    Demonstration effect (from the Post) ...

    Horror at the bloodshed accompanying the U.S. effort to bring democracy to Iraq has accomplished what human rights activists, analysts and others say Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had been unable to do by himself: silence public demands for democratic reforms here.

    The idea of the government as a bulwark of stability and security has long been the watchword of Syrian bureaucrats and village elders. But since Iraq's descent into sectarian and ethnic war -- and after Israel's war with Hezbollah in Lebanon, on the other side of Syria -- even Syrian activists concede that the country's feeble rights movement is moribund.

    Advocates of democracy are equated now with supporters of America, even "traitors," said Maan Abdul Salam, 36, a Damascus publisher who has coordinated conferences on women's rights and similar topics.

    Heckuva job.

    -- Josh Marshall

    So not only has the Idiot failed miserably in bringing democracy to Iraq, be he has also killed the pro-democracy movements in it's neighbors.

    Seems like the Syrians agree with V. Putin, they do not want the kind of democracy Georgie has saddled Iraq with, they would prefer what Assad allows them, to what Georgie offers.

  50. how bout a silver spoon, the repuggies should like that, many saw one when they came into the world, they can see one when they leave as well

  51. Hey Larry, I got a question for you, how do you think things will play out for the American Auto Companies, do you think they will eventually pull out of this country and move all manufacturing operations overseas, with more good paying middle class jobs just evaporating.

    from where I sit it seems inevitable that with the current policies, our standard of living decreases with good paying middle class jobs disappearing and the ultra rich stealing more of the pie. and things look even worse for the younger generations, with even white collar computer and IT jobs being outsourced to India and China where labor is much cheaper.

  52. Mike:

    I do think the bulk of US auto companies will either fold or go overseas.

    Ford is on the brink, GM finally lost less than expected and Chrysler has many on layoff.

    Delphi, who was once owned by GM is now the largest American employer in China.

    They have either closed many of their US plants, or through the bankruptcy, have been allowed to pay record CEO bonuses and cut workers wages down to as much as $9 per hour with no benefits.

    Things don't look very good.

  53. Here in Ky Dana who makes some of the frames for Ford trucks has laid about half their work force OFF, and they talk of closing another plant all together and consolidating all the work in ONE plant.

    And Ford is restructuring their work force in Louisville where the ranger and explorer is made, along with a plant on the east side which makes the larger pickups and Lincoln Expedition.

    Most auto workers I know say the writing is ON THE WALL> and the younger ones are going to take the buy out.

  54. its a damn shame, they should be giving tax incentives to companies that provide good paying jobs here and penalize those that move jobs overseas.

    same goes for the oil companies, government should only give tax breaks to those companies investing in alternate sources of energy to break our dependence on oil and the Middle East. they also need to give tax breaks to consumers to encourage them to buy solar, wind and hybrid/fuel efficient cars.

  55. The down sizing in the auto industry now is similar to the down sizing in the Railroads after WW2, but this time there is not a large industrial base for the skilled workers to turn to, there is Just Walmart and temp jobs.

  56. There are few jobs in the manufacturing sector left, that will last because of foreign buyouts and outsourcing.

  57. The movement of the "middle class jobs" will continue, and the credit industry based replacements will not last because even though they can generate wealth by manipulation of money through the transactions, they do not create a object of value like a car or house.

    And unlike the industrial base which has real investments in real factories and machines which are the base of real wealth creation, the credit based economy is entirely MOBILE, just move the computer banks which stores the spread sheets and contracts and the Industry has moved. Also unlike a factory which has real physical value the data in a computer bank is only as valuable as long as the scheme it is used in holds up. Enrons data banks became worth less over night except for federal procesecutors

  58. Land used to be the basis of the measure of wealth, then it became the means of production, now it is reduced to the information is the computer banks linked to the schemes to manipulate the credit and stock industries.

    It is sort of like Las Vegas, where the casino is praised because it "creates money for the industry by manipulations of betting schemes whether poker , blackjack or other rigged betting schemes. But the FOOD, and Lodging is thought as secondary, UNTIL a economic collapse when the food is required, and very few have the financial wealth to play the rigged schemes.

    Las Vegas would have almost completely collapsed in 1929. And in another severe depression just like it, IT WILL.

  59. Freedom Of The Press - Not So Much In U.S.
    October 24, 2006 at 10:24 am by Jamie

    Reporters Without Borders has released their annual Worldwide Press Freedom Index and the United States has now fallen 53rd place:

    The United States (53rd) has fallen nine places since last year, after being in 17th position in the first year of the Index, in 2002. Relations between the media and the Bush administration sharply deteriorated after the president used the pretext of “national security” to regard as suspicious any journalist who questioned his “war on terrorism.” The zeal of federal courts which, unlike those in 33 US states, refuse to recognise the media’s right not to reveal its sources, even threatens journalists whose investigations have no connection at all with terrorism.

    I am sure this is what our forefathers fought and died for - a country diminishing in the very freedoms it was based upon. We now fail in comparison to other countries such as Bosnia, El Salvador and Serbia. In other words - that glowing light of freedom is now much dimmer. Thank you George Bush.

    From #17 to #53, yes Georgie is doing a such good job spreading OUR democracy around the world. Iraq is a FAILED state let along a failed democracy. Afghanistan is slipping away, with MORE jihad's going there than Iraq NOW because they know Iraq is beyond our capabilities to control, so they return to Afghanistan to do the same there to the US and NATO they did to the soviet Union.

    And Bush is stealing OUR democracy here at home from US, as the world can see.

    No wonder Valdimir Putin turned down the Bush approach to democracy.

  60. Oct. 26, 2006, 6:03AM

    CAMPAIGN 2006

    Republicans oil their successful turnout machine

    To counter polls, GOP returns to trusted approach to drawing voters


    Houston Chronicle Washington Bureau

    WASHINGTON - Predicting that Republicans will defy low expectations in the Nov. 7 election and retain control of Congress, President Bush mentioned a campaign approach Wednesday that played a key role in his 2004 re-election.


    "We're organized," he said of his party's vaunted voter-mobilization drives. "We've got a fantastic grass-roots organization to turn out the vote."

    The election results will show whether the GOP machine is powerful enough to overcome what many polls show to be low public ratings of Bush's performance, the war in Iraq and the performance of Republican majorities in the House and Senate.

    Most independent political analysts predict that, amid those negative factors and scandals involving a few Republican lawmakers, Democrats will grab the majority of seats in the House, if not both chambers.

    Despite the gloom, Republican campaign operatives sound confident. They have been fine-tuning their data-mining, micro-targeting and other methods that served them well in past elections. Some Democrats are beginning to sound worried.

    "In a country where in our best elections half the people don't vote, the party that can actually turn out their voters with discipline and effectiveness is going to be a successful party," Richard Gephardt, former Democratic House leader and 2004 presidential candidate, said during a forum this week.

    Democrats have been working to match Republican strategies and organization, Gephardt said. "But I still don't believe it's up to par with where the Republicans are."

    'Unprecedented' effort
    Republicans, led by White House political guru Karl Rove, sought in 2002 to reverse a decades-long Democratic edge in voter turnout that was fueled in large part by well-organized labor unions.

    The GOP developed a program that started three days before the election. It was aimed at identifying Republicans and likely Republican voters and getting them to the polls. The tactic was fine-tuned in 2004 and will be even more effective this year, Republicans said.

    "We are putting forward the most unprecedented grass-roots effort in the history of midterm elections," said Danny Diaz, spokesman for the Republican National Committee. "We outraised the Democrats, we've made more voter contacts, and our (get-out-the-vote) operation is more robust — we are extremely confident we have built a foundation to maintain our majorities."

    The Republican Party has raised $199.4 million since the 2004 elections, almost double the $108.4 million raised by the Democrats.

    Data-mining techniques
    In 2004, the Republican Party used marketing-style data-mining — for example, calculating whether a certain voter in a particular district owned a snowmobile and was therefore a likely Republican voter, then targeting the prospect with a narrow political message.

    "In Michigan they are looking for snowmobile owners and letting them know that Democrats want to close down their trails," said John Fortier, a political scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

    Fortier said turnout in any election is decided by factors that include the intensity of voter interest — Democrats may have the advantage this year — and efforts to get out the vote.

    For sheer organization, it's still tough to beat the Republican machine, Fortier said. The party's system recently helped deliver a primary victory to Sen. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, who was trailing in the polls against the more conservative Republican challenger Steve Laffey. The GOP had feared that with Laffey as its nominee, the Democrats would win the general election.

    "Democrats are less centralized, and they leave a lot of that work up to outside groups, like Emily's List," Fortier said of the group that backs female candidates. "The Republicans figured out they were better off with a centralized system, and with people and volunteers working directly for the party."

    A matter of timing
    Getting voters to the polls is also a matter of timing, experts said, a consideration made trickier in states such as Texas that have a significant early-voting period. Congressional elections also are dicey because there is no presidential race to attract voters; turnout is traditionally lower in the middle of a presidential term.

    "We started a month ago with the over-65-year-olds, getting those people to get their ballot by mail and voting them at home," Allen Blakemore, a Houston Republican political consultant, said of the latest vote-production efforts. "We started Monday morning turning people out for early voting, we got the robo-calls going, and they won't stop until Nov. 7th."

    Campaigns try to boost turnout by targeting voters who tend to vote early and providing them with information about voting hours, ballots and maps to polling places near their districts.

    Using voting histories, campaigns can pinpoint individual voters and give them last-minute campaign literature close to the time they tend to vote. Blakemore, who represents several local Republican candidates, said he will dispatch the same political mail piece to different recipients on different days, based on when he thinks they are likely to cast their ballots.

    To help the party motivate voters in the last days of the campaign, Bush will do a five-day fly-around of key states and districts, with a stop in Dallas on Nov. 6 for Gov. Rick Perry, before heading to Crawford to vote on Election Day. On Oct. 30, Bush will lead a rally for Republicans at Sugar Land Regional Airport.

    "Our people are going out there to man the phones and to put up the yard signs," Bush said Wednesday. "You know, they're showing up when it comes time to (send in) these absentee votes.

    "We've got some people dancing in the end zone here in Washington, D.C.," Bush said of the Democrats. "But the American people are going to decide, and they're going to decide this race based upon who best to protect the American people and who best to keep the taxes low."

  61. At least NOW we know the error of our ways.

    Why be competent when deceit, dishonesty, fraud, bribery, kick backs, smear campaigns, lies, and Lots and Lots of campaign donations will win almost every time. The sheeple eat it up, and turn on American Idol, or the latest chapter of pretty, dumb, blond and missing . And they can refinance their house to gamble in Las Vegas, or suntan in Florida for a couple of weeks while digging the debt hole that much deeper.

    The neo-cons had no more an intention of bringing "democracy" to Iraq than the Nazi's had bringing it to Poland. They had to sell a war to people who ask for facts in 30 second sound bites, and fear sells like nothing else. So they lined up the "reasons" for the war and have spewed them out. One lie at a time, until even the Kool-aid swilling fooles could no longer accept it with a straight face, then just switch to the next lie. No explanation necessary, because the latest lie is the only relevant lie as far as their justification of the war is concerned. The previous lie that is discarded is inoperative, and bringing it up is simply being unpatriotic. We are at the point when the lies have failed to cover up the stench of the fiasco the neo-cons have wrought upon us.

    NOW they have the Gall to ask what the progressives, who screamed at the top of their lung NOT to go, what we would do with the abortion of a country they made Iraq into. It is not what went wrong that haunts them, but the fact that with their voter suppression and Diebold machines, and wiz bang GOTV campaigns it might not be enough this time. So they attempt to spread the blame to all of us because WE have no plan to fix what they broke even if we tried to tell then NOT to. That is NO plan, and therefore we are at fault for not pulling their assess out of the fire.

    Drowning people, destroyed cities in both Iraq and America, body bags, and piles of Iraqi torture victims at the Baghdad morgue do not slow them down. Tens of thousands of innocent people swept up for nothing more than being in the wrong skin at the wrong time, is the price they indigenous population is expected to pay for the "freedom" they got. Freedoms like being tortured at Abu Ghraib, and having their homes raided, and getting shot at checkpoints because they were never raised to speak English. It is collateral damage for the plan, the PNAC plan to control the oil market and middle east for another generation. We who were not anointed by GOD are supposed to sit down and shut up, because we obviously have NO right to challenge them in their mission, which it seems was NOT ACCOMPLISHED after all.

    But that is a small detail that the rightwingnut talking heads can pass of as the fault of those who impeded them from achieving the righteous plans of dear leader. Remember it really is all our fault we did not fight harder for their illegal plans. We did not give up enough freedoms and sacrificed the lives of those they send into harms way silently enough(except for the photo ops of memorial day and veterans day). The troops are supposed to fight the war, and show up for the patriotic campaign backdrop images. Those who care for them should be grateful that the troops were given the chance to serve dear leader.

    It is really all our fault we are not grateful enough, not for what they stole, No we are not grateful enough for what they have not stolen yet, and we still have. We are at fault because we dare to question them, and demand a resemblance to the reality we see, NOT the spin they claim it is. We complicate their plans because we will NOT rubber stamp them like their sycophantic minions in congress have for the last four years have done. And we expect results that include more than an increase of their bottom line, and an ever rising stock market.

    Silly us, we thought the country was about all of us, which included truth, justice, honor, and a shared responsibility. At least NOW we know the error of our ways.

    posted by clif at 11:41 AM

  62. I guess Warren Rudman is not patriotic either.......

    Speak truth to power and never neglect the troops

    I keep thinking that my late mother and father would be very proud (of me receiving the George C. Marshall Medal). And my old battalion commander in Korea - from the 38th Infantry, Second Division - would be flabbergasted!

    Then again, if you have ever read anything at all about the contribution that George Marshall made to this nation, one message is clear. Virtually no one truly belongs in his class.

    It would have been honor for me to carry his boots, let alone an award in his name.

    If you reflect on the arc of his life - and what it meant to this nation - it is just staggering.

    Think about it. When Marshall started his career, he entered the Virginia Military Institute right down the road from here. And this Army was still being run by veterans of the Civil War. This nation was just a kid - barely able to keep itself in one piece.

    Yet, by the end of his career - and through his vision - America had become the architect of peace in every corner of the world, the indispensable nation in the largest war in the history of humanity.

    More important, we had laid the foundations of the modern Army and armed forces to provide global stability.

    We had poured the cornerstones of global democracy. And through his Marshall Plan we had planted the seeds of a global economy that would lift tens of millions of people out of poverty.

    That's a record that would leave anyone in awe.

    You would be hard-pressed to find any single person - uniformed or civilian, Roosevelt, Truman, and Churchill included - who did so much, so well, over such a long period of time, to get us to that point.

    So, in the long sweep of history, I would go so far as to say that Marshall will rank up there with Washington, Hamilton, Madison, Jefferson and the rest of the founders. When you reach that level, it's simply hard to imagine anyone but that one person who could have accomplished the same for our nation.

    But the real value of this award is not just the chance to reflect on history. It's an occasion to reflect on the man himself: the values, the traits, the character of this soldier and statesman.

    If you read anything at all of Marshall's writings, this comes through so clearly. The beliefs that he fought for are just as relevant for today's Army - and for today's leaders - as they were for his time. And I want to talk just a few minutes about those:

    Foremost, he believed in putting those at the bottom of the ladder - the ground troops, the infantrymen - at the top of his list.

    From his time at Fort Benning, there's a great story about him ripping an officer because the troops didn't have blankets and stoves

    He called the officer on the carpet and said, "Get every damn one of those things tonight. Not tomorrow. Tonight. We are going to take care of the troops first, last, and all the time."

    "First, last, and all the time ... " That is the kind of commitment we owe the troops.

    He believed that personal integrity conferred more authority than any ribbon or star ever could.

    Marshall was a guy who almost never pulled rank to make a point. But he scared the living hell out of people.

    Think about General Patton, who was no shrinking violet.

    Patton once said if he had to choose between facing Marshall in an interview or face a whole Nazi Panzer division by himself .... The decision would be easy: face the Panzers.

    Marshall believed that he had a solemn duty to speak truth to power.
    That's something that you don't learn in basic training.

    In his very first meeting with President Roosevelt - one of the most popular and powerful presidents and commanders-in-chief to ever sit in the Oval Office - Marshall, then chief of staff of the Army, had the courage to look him in the eye and say, "I am sorry, Mr. President, I don't agree with you at all."

    His very first meeting! And I have to tell you, that takes more than guts. He believed in being candid and direct.

    Churchill was once arguing to delay the invasion of Europe in favor of an attack on Rhodes.

    Marshall listened quietly for a long time, nodding, and then finally he exploded. He said, "You can plan all yoeed more guidance from you." Marshall paused for a few seconds. And then he looked at him and said precisely two words: "Avoid trivia."

    And that's one of the things I have always loved about Marshall: he didn't believe that anyone, regardless of rank, should take himself too seriously.

    One time, Gen. Walter Bedell Smith - in full uniform - came to report to Marshall's house to give him a report. And it turned out that Marshall was out in the rain, picking corn in his vegetable patch.

    After a few minutes in the rain and mud, Smith started to get a bit testy. And he said, "General, do I have to stand out here to make my report?"

    And Marshall said, "No, Smith. Of course not. Turn over that bucket and sit down."

    If there's one idea - one lesson - from Marshall's life that I could leave you with, I think that would be it.

    No matter how high or how low your rank, you should never let your respect for the privilege and prestige of an office distract you from what you're there to do - to outweigh your obligation to speak truth to power.

    In that spirit, I believe I would be remiss if I didn't use this occasion to close with just a few words about the current state of this fine institution, the United States Army.

    When I think about the history of the U.S. Army, places come back to mind ... Omaha, Bastogne, Porkchop Hill, Ia Drang and, of course, Baghdad. From my own experience in Korea, those places are notable for the courage and uncommon valor of the American soldier.

    Regardless of one's views about the wisdom of starting the current action in Iraq, I am deeply, deeply worried about its lasting impact on our Army - on all our armed forces, but the Army especially.

    By almost any measure, we have asked too small a force to operate at too fast an ops tempo with too little resources over too much territory. To paraphrase Winston Churchill, never have so many, owed so much to so few for so long.

    And this is doing damage to our Army - active, guard and reserve - that will take a generation to repair. We are "taking it in the neck."

    You can say all you want about the theory of light footprints and high-tech warfare. But as far as I'm concerned, you can save that for the classroom. At the end of the day, if you don't have enough boots on the ground, you have more instability, not less.

    And for families all across this country, that means you have more kids coming home without arms and legs - not less. You have more honor guard funerals - not less.

    That's just wrong. It's a tragedy. It did not have to be this way. And it's time for us to put the issue right in front of the American people, on the kitchen table, rather than pretend it's not there.

    More than 60 years ago, at the height of World War II, Marshall stood before an audience just like this, pleading to get the resources that he believed were essential. This is a man who didn't shrug at the casualty figures. He had them on top of his desk - and in front of his president - every week!

    And he said, "Just once, in the history of this country, I'd like to see the American soldier be given a fair break in the terrible business of making war."

    Classic Marshall. Direct. Candid. Loyal. Always on the lookout for the soldiers who are making the greatest sacrifice.

    And I don't think we could pay him any greater tribute today than to listen to his voice: "Just once ... a fair break." Let us all take a moment to say a prayer for all of those brave young men and women who are willing to put it on the line for the greater good.

    Thank you.

    Former Senator Warren Rudman was presented with the 2006 George Catlett Marshall Medal - the highest award presented by the Association of the United States Army (AUSA).

  63. I guess Warren Rudman is just being unpatriotic;

    When I went throught ROTC they still taught the values of Gen George C Marshall to every officer candidate.

    He would have MADE mincemeat out of both Ronald McDumsfeld and the Idiot in Chief.

    He would have told Tommy Franks if He wanted a battle plan by a second lieutenant, He would have had ONE write it, and would have sent him back for a complete competent battle plan including PHASE 4 (follow on to combat operations including a complete security plan).

  64. U.S. death toll in Iraq worst in a year

    Associated Press Writer
    58 minutes ago
    BAGHDAD, Iraq

    The number of American troops killed in Iraq in October reached the highest monthly total in a year Thursday after four Marines and a sailor died of wounds suffered while fighting in the same Sunni insurgent stronghold.

  65. Sorry for the and such.

    In the interest of full disclosure.
    While I would like to take credit for that terrorism quote, I think I read it in a Chomsky book or something so I can't take credit. I did correct it on my blog stating that someone once said but of the many Chomsky books I own, and as thick as they are I dont want to go delving in them to attribute that quote. Those thoughts just came to mind while I was on this blog and I wanted to put them out. I realized my mistake later and corrected it on my blog.

    As far as running for Congress. I'm flattered people think I would make a good candidate. I have often considered it, assuming I couldnt screw things up half as bad as they already are. Not to mention I would like to be on the Armed Services Cmte. People like me dont win where I come from...the United States particularly Indiana. I'm an Atheist married to a Wiccan who believes the government was at the very least complicit in allowing 9-11 to happen. While my unyielding support for labor unions, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution may be admirable qualities, the other ones would certainly come out and I'm afraid I would lose in a landslide to a NeoCon like Mike Pence who still believes there are weapons of mass destruction to be discovered in Iraq.

  66. clif said...
    When I went throught ROTC they still taught the values of Gen George C Marshall to every officer candidate.

    I remember having to rewrite simple platoon level OPORDs for three hours straight. We would go through them detail by detail and get ripped by the Cadre and our peers if we messed up. I learned alot though. Now I do 5 paragraph OPORDs in my head almost every day.

    Clif, when you went through ROTC
    did you go to Ft. Lewis for the 5 weeks in the summer between your Jr. and Sr. year or Ft. Bragg?

  67. TomPaine said...
    Sorry for the and such

    Uhhh...don't mention it.


  68. Any guy who is in deployed in a combat zone who apologizes for being late to post in a blog, deserves my vote.

    Seriously though you should really consider it. Its a change of lifestyle to be sure but you're used to that. And coming out of the military from a war zone, being intelligent, articulate and politically minded, you will make a fine candidate, whichever party you choose to represent.

  69. Tom said;

    I'm an Atheist married to a Wiccan

    If not Congress then perhaps a TV series?

  70. Tom said;

    I'm afraid I would lose in a landslide to a NeoCon like Mike Pence who still believes there are weapons of mass destruction to be discovered in Iraq.

    Tell Mr Pence there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.


  71. I'll be honest with you guys. I am starting to worry about November.

    For some reason the republicans seem to have everything sewn up.

    They are spending twice as much money, but its not just that. They clearly seem to feel that even though the entire country has expressed an overwhelming disapproval of the republican led, republican dominated congress, they still seem to think they are going to win.

    Everyone I meet says they are voting democrat but the republicans think they are going to win, and that spells skullduggery.

  72. Marcus said;

    Clif, when you went through ROTC
    did you go to Ft. Lewis for the 5 weeks in the summer between your Jr. and Sr. year or Ft. Bragg?

    No Marcus, I went to Ft. Riley Kansas, between My first and second year of graduate school.

    I finished my undergraduate degree and started ROTC in graduate school, being a prior service ROTC cadet, (I served in Germany for three years before starting college), I only had to do 2 years of ROTC, and never had to go to Kt. Knox for basic camp.

  73. Worftron said;

    Everyone I meet says they are voting democrat but the republicans think they are going to win, and that spells skullduggery.

    Worf, I see that in a different light.

    The repugs have done so many illegal and immoral things they seem to think they can get away with it and are "untouchable". They actually think they are entitled to the offices they occupy and owe the voters nothing but more kool-aid and platitudes. Actually doing the "peoples business" and not acting as sycophantic extensions for K Street lobbyists never occurs to them about NOW.

    Just like the Mafia, who act as if they can not get caught , and think intimidation and threats win every time.

    Both OVEREXTEND their fear campaigns, and in the end actually begin to believe their own propaganda. They wake up surprised when reality comes crashing in, and are dumped, either in the ballot box, in the case of the repugs, or jail, in the case of the mafia(and a few repugs).

  74. Thats something I've been considering Clif as well Clif and I think you're right.

    I am really worried about this Diebold thing though.

  75. you know I agree with both of you guys, the Diebold and other scams are starting to worry me as well, its like a black weight on our hearts thinking the will of the people could be denied by these deceitful megalomaniacs.....but after thinking about it to maintain control of the House, I think almost ALL of their scams and lies would have to WORK, and that seems a stretch.

    I think Clif is absolutely right, the arrogance of the repugs knows no bounds, they think they are entitled to perpetual power and like the mafia they think no one can touch them and their deveits and lies will ALWAYS work.........I am worried, but I remain hopeful!

  76. FL-22: GOPer Shaw's Ad Hails ... Bill Clinton!

    In a sign of just how much American politics has shifted in recent weeks, GOP Rep. Clay Shaw is running the first Republican ad we've ever heard hailing the accomplishments of President...Clinton. The narrator's first words in the radio spot, delivered in an upbeat tone, are: "President Clinton is coming to South Florida this week!" The ad then runs through all of Shaw's successes working with the former President. Its conclusion: "So as Palm Beach County welcomes Bill Clinton to town, let’s say thank you to Clay Shaw. He’s independent and effective." A Time poll in August put Clinton's approval rating at 70% — nearly double that of his successor.

    We must have entered the Twilight Zone. A sitting repug member of congress is actually hiding his repug connections to George Bush and touting he actually knows AND WORKED WITH, (gasp) Bill Clinton.

    In six short years, GWB and the repugs have been able to make Bill Clinton RESPECTABLE and admired. All the while becoming so loathsome that they have too slink around and try to steal some of Bill"s respectability.

    This is just way too funny for the very same party and repug sycophants who tried to IMPEACH Clinton. But I guess a stain on a blue dress is not quite as bad as the BLOOD of tens of thousands of human beings on their HANDS.

    Karma is a BITCH sometimes I guess.


  77. And I'm remaining hopeful too.

    All the signs point to a clear victory for the democrats. Congress is at a lower approval rating than it was before the 94 takeover by the republicans and we weren't at war then.

  78. Worf, think about it, the repugs are running ads which only the KKK would see as positive, and hiding George Bush, while trying to get a teeny bit of Bill Clinton's aura?

    The are desperate, REAL DESPERATE, and that is BECAUSE of the polls they claim never to read, or allow them to sway their actions.

    Hell Bush is cutting and running from "stay the course", repugs are cutting and running from Bush, and the Iraqi Government is feeling they can thumb their nose at Bush.

    The repugs see the result of their HUBRIS and are desperately trying to bail out of the car as it goes over the cliff. Too bad the cliff is very high and the repugs have NO parachute to keep them from falling even if they get out of the repug BUS.

  79. I saw that peice of crap ad the ran against Harold Ford Clif and was just ridiculous.

    The good news is that that ad backfired, and people are looking poorly on the RNC for running it.

    Thats happening a lot I think, people being turned off by the vicous nasty right wing tactics that never talk about the issues, and always about how rotten democrats supposedly are.

  80. Hell Worfeus, Loudmouth Limpballs has gotten Michael J Fox better press for the ad he ran about stem cell research.

    The idiot thinks his sh*t does not stink, MOST people obviously think it does, and he is a load of it.

    And a MORON like Limpballs who IS guilty of DRUG abuse should never condemn the fact that somebody actually need medication and the effects of that medication.

    How about the effects of Illegally taking Oxycodone for years.

  81. What he said about MJ was the stupidest thing he could've done.

    People love Michael J Fox. Back to the Future has become as American as apple pie, and is a common movie played at church related and family gatherings because it was good, clean fun.

    Only the most rigid and nasty of conservatives will side with Limpballs on this. Decent people will see this fat, sweaty cigar smoking drug addicted hack for what he is, and turn the dial in shame.

  82. Anyone hear about the proposed buyout of Clear Channel, it looks like another power grab by the Reich Wing for control and dominance of the MSM.

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  84. Check out these pictures, I especially like the Guy with the refrigerator and the guy with the Auto body.

    These pics shows why people around the world are advancing on the US.

    They can do things like this while we are told to live in FEAR by the Idiot and his minions.

  85. Looks like James Webb has been exposed on the Drudge report.

  86. Tiny, a BOOK?

    Come on Scooter libby and Lynn Cheney wrote WORSE, son, much worse.

    No wonder ONE of the Cheney's daughters is NOT what the Christian reichwing accepts as really American.

    BTW foole with Mark Foley scandal and the FACT the repugs in congress covered it all up, and KKKarl used it to blackmail hi into running against Foley's wishes, I would NOT use the word expose son.

  87. And son either Lynn Cheney's daughter either was "made" that way by GOD,

    Or it was the parenting skills of Dead Eye and the book writer Lynn that helped her out in that way.

  88. I have a feeling this is old news. These are after all published novels.

    I can't believe the DNC doesn't vet this crap though. But from what I read, it didn't sound any sicker than the Scooter Libby novels with their underage sex and bestiality.

    Personally I think they're all sick, and I'm gonna have to look at this more. You know, I can see how in the vetting process some remote passage that they wrote in college could go undetected, but I can't see how the people who stood this guy up overlooked these published novels.

    This is not good for the democrats and its not good for Virginia.

  89. Damn you assclowns are real desperate aren't you.

    Trying to take WORDS in a Novel.

    WORDS son, not actions like text messaging under age boys, and having your sycophantic reichwing leadership cover it all up just to save the seat you hold, that is called ACTIONS.

    In this country actions have meaning NOT just words.

  90. Don't get too excited tho TT. I will have to see this story play out, and hear more about it.

    And I will have to see what the context was he was presenting these events. Drudge only shows the most inflamatory portion, and not even a complete sentence, which is fine, but I need to see what he was talking about. For instance. If the book was about some evil child molestor that gets miserably killed in the end, than thats a lot different if the molestor was the hero.

    But in truth I, most likely like you, don't see why he or Scooter Libby, or anyone needs to write of such things.

  91. Worfeus, they are desperate because of things like THIS:

    Middle-class voters who deserted the Democratic Party a dozen years ago are now giving the party its best chance to reclaim the House since the GOP swept Democrats from power in 1994.

    Motivated by anger at President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress, 56 percent of likely voters said they would vote on Nov. 7 to send a Democrat to the House and 37 percent said they would vote Republican. Voters in the latest Associated Press-AOL News poll rated Iraq and the economy as their top issues.

    Tiny wants to believe this does not count

    56% favor a democrat in congress.

    Only 37% favor a repug, getting into backwash territory there son.

    Last time I checked 57% wins elections.

  92. I hear what you're saying Clif. And I'm not siding with the assclowns on this one. I just need to see the context of the book.

    Drudge only pulls a part of a sentence or two, and doesn't provide the context in which the story is being told. The words however I find troubling, and I am having a hard time understanding why a man of Webbs stature would feel compelled to write about such unseemly acts, but I am not passing judgement on him either.

    But I bet a lot of people will. Because if it makes me uneasy, you can bet it will make Mabel Muckenfuss from Bealeton County just a little uneasy.

  93. Worf, I agree with you on this, but most people who are not political news junkies like me and you and the others on this blog will not really care too much if the words were taken out of context.

    It may be hardball politics, but you can expect Rove and the GOP to exploit this for all it's worth, just like the Democrats would have done had those novels been written by Allen.

  94. Actually the word I'm looking for is queasy, not uneasy.

    It made me feel queasy.

  95. Tiny proly does not like Charlie Cook very much either for writing THIS;

    Another week has gone by and little has changed. The Republican Party still seems to be headed toward a very tough election.

    In the House, Republicans are most likely to see a net loss of 20 to 35 seats, and with it their majority. In the Senate, the GOP could lose at least four, but a five- or six-seat loss is more likely. A six-seat change tips the chamber into Democratic hands.

    20-35 seat LOSS is that bad tiny?

  96. I don't think a few old novels are going to cost the democrats the race. Its Iraq. Thats the problem. And polls show that more than 75 percent of Americans believe that if Democrats take back congress, they will set a timetable for pullout in Iraq.

    And thats what the people want.

  97. It just "feels" like its time for a change. Everyone I talk to says it now. In the grocery stores, at work, in the pub, everyone hates Bush. In truth I am hard pressed to find anyone who likes him!

    But somewhere they claim theres still supporters for him out there, but if there are, they're sure disguising it well.

  98. They hate Bush, and they hate the congress. And when the people get mad they usually make someone pay.

  99. Funny Worf, the people at who have read the whole book, and reviewed it, did not think that sentence was very important and failed to even point it out>

    Drudge is just shrilling for the GREEDY OLD PEDOPHILE party once again.

    And the sycophantic little troll Tiny conscienceinTexan is just eating Drudges feces and spewing them out, as usual.

  100. The republicans have held complete control of Congress for more than a decade. 7 out of 9 Supreme Court Judges are republican appointees. And a Republican President ruled over this lopsided democracy for almost 2 terms now.

    And things are a MESS.

    That about says it all.

  101. Clif, are you saying they fabricated it?

    If they did, they're dumber than I could ever imagine.

  102. When the people I talk to TT, think republican, they think "failure".

    And that doesn't incline them to vote for you.

  103. The odd thing about this -- and Worf put his finger on it earlier -- is why they didn't vet this guy better. More than likely, you can use google book search and find out all kinds of things, or just assign a staffer to read his books.

    Anyway, I'm going to turn in.

  104. If its true TT, I think its because they're too many hot shot politcial consultants that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, and delegate too much out, like vetting their candidates.

    In the words of the late great John Spencer, "we can't put a fork full of waffle's in our mouths without coughing up the ball".

    But before I comment on this anymore I need to see more data on it before I even know what it means.

  105. No Worfeus, they just did not focus on two sentences out of a book with OVER 333 pages.

    The repugs are SO desperate they will stoop THIS low, to try to save a closeted BIGOT.

    And Tiny eats it up. Because he thinks protecting a man who does things which those sentences describe are OK for the GOP. It is the same if they protect Foley for almost a decade, and then taking two sentences OUT of CONTEXT to smear Webb with is the exact same thing.

    Tiny should be real proud of his equating the WORDS of WEBB with the ACTIONS of FOLEY.

  106. Like I said, Drudge only posted a partial sentence. Usually when people do that, (me for example), we do it because the following or proceeding words convey a different meaning than the one we wish to convey.

    So I'm hip to it and I want to see what the book was about and what if anything he actually said.

    Too close to an election to trust one page on drudge.

  107. BTW Tiny, John McCain does not see it the way YOU assclowns do;

    Saint McCain on Webb's Novel Lost Soldiers

    “James Webb’s new novel paints a portrait of a modern Vietnam charged with hopes for the future but haunted by the ghosts of its war-torn past. It captures well the lingering scars of the war, and exposes the tension between the dynamism of a new generation and the invisible bondage of an older generation for whom wartime allegiances, and animosities, are rendered no less vivid by the passage of time. A novel of revenge and redemption that tells us much about both where Vietnam is headed and where it has been.”
    — Senator John McCain

  108. But either way what you said earlier is right.

    It doesn't even compare to the Foley incident. One is a novel that publishers felt fit to publish and bookstores felt fit to sell.

    The other was a crime.

    Night and day.

  109. Wow. That was good Clif. Sounds like McCains actually read it and knows more than Drudge does about it.

  110. You would think if it was THAT bad, John McCain would have spoken about that would you not Tiny?

  111. Scooter Libby did the same thing. We talked about it but it didn't go anywhere. At the end of the day it was still just a published novel.

  112. It won't be enough to win the election.

    Better stick with the Diebolds TT.

  113. Worfeus I think with every day of slimier and more despicable actions by the GOP, they are REAL desperate, and KNOW that they are in for a reckoning the democrats went through in 1994.

    After all, why else stoop this LOW, and their attacks on Michael J Fox and Jim Webb, if they really were all that confident?

    If I think I am winning, I do not try tricks which could back fire this bad.

  114. What next?

    Will they accuse of Webb secretly making the Girls Gone Wild videos?

    Running a secret escort service out of his campaign office?

    I know, they will accuse him of being the person who hid all the evidence about Foley from poor poor Denny Hastert.

  115. I see that same desperation in the President and his cabinet. Rumsfeld today looked positively defiant and brutish.

    He looked like a man who has bought into his own omnipotence.

  116. From what I understand CLif only their base is believing them anymore. Most people are questioning everything the right wing says right now.

  117. Actually Worfeus, the Drudge attack on Webb might be TWO pronged, slime Webb, and provide a distraction from THIS

    Trandahl Names Kolbe as a 'Problem' With Page Program, Source Says

    A source close to former House Clerk Jeff Trandahl told ABC News that Arizona Congressman Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) was one of a small number of "problem members" of Congress who page program supervisors complained spent too much time socializing with pages, taking them to dinner or sporting events outside of official duties.

    Mark Foley was also on the list.

    The source said Trandahl frequently cautioned both congressmen that "adults should hang out with adults, pages should hang out with pages," a message Trandahl also conveyed to pages during their orientation.

    Yesterday in Tucson, in his first meeting with reporters since returning from a European vacation, when asked by ABC News about Trandahl's reported allegations, Kolbe responded, "I would love to comment on a lot of these things, but I think it's just appropriate to say we're cooperating fully with all the inquiries."

    Kolbe was also asked by reporters to respond to reports that the U.S. Attorney in Phoenix has opened a preliminary inquiry into a 1996 camping trip Kolbe took with two high school boys, both former pages, following a report by MSNBC that one adult member of the trip was "creeped out" by "fawning, petting and touching" on the arms, shoulders and back of one of the teenagers by Kolbe.

    "I know there are a number of inquiries underway, and we're cooperating fully with all those inquiries, and I'm sure at the end of the time it will show that we acted appropriately and did exactly the right thing," Kolbe said.

  118. Think about Mark Foley, then think about THIS;

    was one of a small number of "problem members" of Congress who page program supervisors complained spent too much time socializing with pages


    That means they have MORE than ONE.

    Foley is NOT the only one according to the former clerk of the House.

    No wonder they are desperately trying to DIVERT attention.

  119. Last night I said republicans were "all on the same page".

    I was wrong.

    They're all on DIFFERENT pages.


  120. I also find this LINE very interesting

    ....Mark Foley was also on the list....

    I'll bet a whole Bunch of people would like to see Trandahl's list, even more than they want to read Webb's book.

    I find it interesting he needed a list to keep track of Foley and his "comrades" in the House.

  121. I'm looking at that on TP right now Clif.

    Looks pretty grim.

  122. These videos, should be watched, by everyone who is planning on voting November 7th

    Support our troops

    Don't Shut Up - Stand Up

    Bring them home

  123. They are fighting for freedom, but get NONE that is not approved by

    =====BIG BROTHER=====


    We realize that when it comes to freedom of the press, the USA has fallen to Number 53 in the world — tied with our fascist homies in Croatia and the islanders of the Kingdom of Tonga! — but do we have to make is so damned obvious?
    Another Marine stationed in Iraq has sent us a screenshot of what happens when you need some hot news on Macaca and Foley:

    forbidden, this page ( is categorized as (Personal Pages) ALL SITES YOU VISIT ARE LOGGED AND FILED.

    Nice little threat at the end, too. Asswipes.

    Notice the other browser tabs. Two actual “personal pages” that rah-rah for Bush (What’s her name, the wannabe Coulter, and Hugh Hewitt) show up just fine, as our Marine Operative confirms. But “Talking Points Memo,” which is apparently one of the “left leaning” sites one hears so much about these days, is prohibited.

    Writes the Corporal: “I think that this kind of censoring is a big deal. I can understand blocking porn, music and movies, and blatantly illegal sites, but blocking sites that some higher up just doesn’t agree with is disgusting. They are blocking a huge portion of voters from information that will help them determine which side to vote for. Because of this, the only news we get is from the big corporations or conservative based sites.”

    Can we all say CENSORSHIP,


    BTW this is not a good way to tell the Marines they really HAVE the freedoms they are supposedly fighting for.

    But then again the war is about spreading FEAR not freedom, and getting the rights to control the OIL.

    Why can't the Marines just accept Georgie and Gen Peter pace really know what's best for them, and accept limits on freedom that would make Stalin smile.

  124. Clif,
    I enlisted before I went through ROTC so I didnt have to do the basic camp just the "Advanced Camp" where they run the snot out of you for a month, up and down the hills and rainforest around Ft Lewis WA and see how well you make decisions when you're tired, hungry, cold, wet, and hot. I was the M60 gunner for the most of it when I wasnt platoon leader and I LOVED every minute of it. It's exactly what I joined the army to do. Sneak around the jungle looking for bad guys, spy on them then kill them. I went to NACLC in 2003 and they were just starting to integrate SASO missions into the missions we did. So, the one we did, I, of course, got it for my evaluation. It was a movement to contact that turned into cooperating with local authorities to get them to guard a satellite/coms site and handover prisoners without killing them. These are scenarios that until then were only being played out in the woods of Ft. Bragg at the JFK Special Warfare center for future SOG members. And they were expecting Cadets (basically college students) with little or no military experience to work out that situation. It turned out pretty well, my Cadre told me I was the only person that year to complete all the objectives of that scenario w/out killing anyone, or firing any shots. It was some of the best training I EVER received for doing SASO especially when I was in information operations, I always went back to that scenario. And people want to discount the training we did in ROTC and laugh it off. It pisses my soldiers off when I tell them it was some of the best training I ever received for anything I've done in the Army. Period. Thinking back to that scenario makes me think about doing SF again. I was going to, but honestly, I wussed out because I dont want to be away from my wife and son.

    Now that I look back on those 4 years I spent in that program, it was worth every minute. I'm glad I took all 4 years because it broke me of some bad enlisted habits and gave me time to come into the idea of being a leader not a follower.

    ROTC was obviously more worthwhile than the six months the army paid for me to go to the Field Artillery Officers Basic Course since I havent fired an artillery round in over a year. Should have just sent me to Infanty Course so I could get Ranger school.

  125. Marcus, I spent most of MY time in advance camp either as compass man, or point man, because I went through Jungle Warfare School in 1979, and learned a hell of a lot about navigation and patrolling. Panama is the only place to learn land navigation, and the SF people who taught it there were really good. I have always maxed any course after going through it.

    Ft Riley is relatively flat, but it has many ravines and the area we did our field work was the area where quite a few ravines come together.

    The training back then was still based on the same idea of small unit tactics when facing a Soviet Style enemy. I do not know how it changed after the collapse of the Soviets and Desert Storm. I'm sure after Iraq the training will change quite a bit.

    And coming out of ROTC my two choices I asked for was EOD school or medivac chopper pilot. I enjoyed explosives and EOD is the only place to be if you like BIG booms. In Iraq we set off blasts after Desert Storm that made mini mushrooms, and one time I made a smoke ring that was about 50 feet in diameter.

    I was an combat engineer as an enlisted soldier in Europe in the 1970's so most of the NCO's and Officers I had back then were Nam Vets, they did not play by the book, but got the job done. I Desert Storm we had to ignore the FM's for a lot of things because they were written with the Fulda Gap in mind, not the south east Iraqi desert.

    I enjoyed ROTC, and as a graduate student. One thing was I already had an undergraduate degree and as a masters candidate I had a freer schedule. So I could volunteer for a lot of ROTC missions with the 1 and 2 students. Doing rifle range work and teaching them land nav. After Advance Camp, I took charge of the cadet mission for preparing the 3's for it.

    I also got to go on a REFORGER because I had no set class schedule as a grad student. It was great to go back to Germany and listen to Cajuns try to speak German, even the Germans who spoke English had a hard time understanding their Cajun accent. I was SMPing with a MP unit and we were helping to get M-1's out of the field and back to trans points for shipment back to the US.

  126. REFORGER must sound like ancient history to you though.

    After 1992 it is not a training issue, and now I'm sure the Germans do not miss the traffic jams from all the extra military vehicles for that month.

    But REFORGER in the 70's was what a trip through the National Training Center at Ft. Irwin is today.

  127. So you know how much of a pain in the ass Europe can be. The great thing is I live on the economy and my wife and I are the only Americans in a small village, so it's been a great cultural experience. But I think I've experienced enough of Europe, except for occasional visits and vacations....I want to be back in the USA. But how many people from Trafalgar, Indiana can say they've been to 1) the real Trafalgar and 2) the Louvre and Musee de Orsay.

    As a Fire Support Officer I participated in the first Reforger type exercise in over 20 years with 1BDE, 1AD. I was the FSO for an Armor Company/Team. We caused almost 20million in damage just getting there and back on the German roads. Of course we did it in the winter, the best time for FSTVs (113 APC) and Tanks to be on pavement going up and down hills.

    Jungle warfare school would have been cool. But our primary instructor was an E-8 who had been through Jungle Warfare and the actual RECONDO school before they closed it down at the very end of Vietnam. All the Vietnam guys, except for the Generals are gone now.

  128. I loved Germany, but back the it was 3.50 to 4 marks to a dollar,(bet you wish that was still true) and the Autobahn had NO speed limit.

    When I entered college I had lived in Germany for 3 years, and had been to Panama. Made a bit of difference when it came to listening to lectures about it in art History Class, as I actually had visited some of the places we had to look at slides of.

    Now Europe probably is not the same, I was surprised how much it had changed in the ten years between my service there, and the REFORGER deployment.

    When I was enlisted, I was lucky. My Battalion needed a draftsman and I had the ability to do the work with no training, so I was able to do that, and when they finally received a school trained one, the Sergeant Major sent me to R&U so I could work on projects he could not do.

    In R&U I worked with the local German engineers who maintained the installations so I got to know many more about the country, and went many places like deep into the Black Forest then I ever would have on my own. I also discovered Baden Baden which I just loved to go to. Great place to spend the weekend away from the barracks.

    Another advantage with being assigned to R&U NO field duty, and German working Hours.....which as a junior enlisted I loved at the time.

    I also really enjoyed the castle at Heidleburg, and the concerts at Manheim. I was stationed in a caserne just north of Karlsruhe and was just 20 miles from France.

    My time as an enlisted soldier in Europe in the 1970's was a great time.

    In fact with the work I did in R&U I never actually went to the field during a REFORGER until I deployed to it. Kind of Ironic.

  129. A democrats favorite Halloween Costume: Patriot.

  130. Was that supposed to be funny professor Chaos?

    Or should I say, Johnny Moo Moo?

  131. Tom Paine (Marcus) is currently serving in the military and is stationed in Iraq.

    He also I believe a democrat.

    Are you saying he is not a patriot?

  132. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is not a patriot?

    Even the tens of thousands of democrats serving in Iraq?

    They're not patriots?

    Mee thinks you are a rube.

  133. Worf I'm with you. I think the fix is in. I see the hatred the electorate have for their filth, but the Republicons dont seem to think they are going to lose. In every poll the majority is against everyone of their policies, but they dont seem to care. Now they pull out racist adds, make fun of sick people, and start digging stuff out of fictional books. They're either actually clawing or just want to make it look like they are. Con men do have a flair for the dramatic.

  134. Marcus, you should have seen Lynne Cheney on Wolf Blitzer today, condemning Jim Webb for what he wrote in novels 20 years ago.

    It was hilarious. Lynne Cheney demostrated the same pompous, arrogant and UNAMERICAN hubris that her husband displays.

    She was a mess. She bitched and moaned and interuppted Wolf. And she lied about her own racy novels.

    She was a mess.

  135. And I'll tell you another thing.

    The absolute hubris of attacking Webb on this by HER, all the while IGNORING the EXACT SAME THING done by one of her CLOSEST FRIENDS, SCOOTER LIBBY, is astounding.

    Scooter Libby wrote novels about incest, underage sex and bestiality.

    Yet shes on the Situation Room, all high and mighty, spouting off about how bad Webb is for writing that.

  136. The White House must be absolutely desperate if they are trotting out the VP's wife at a time of war, when Americans are dying in a foriegn land for a war of choice, to talk about a silly novel.

  137. TomPaine said...
    Worf I'm with you. I think the fix is in. I see the hatred the electorate have for their filth, but the Republicons dont seem to think they are going to lose.

    In every poll the majority is against everyone of their policies, but they dont seem to care. Now they pull out racist adds, make fun of sick people, and start digging stuff out of fictional books. They're either actually clawing or just want to make it look like they are. Con men do have a flair for the dramatic

    The confidence of the VP and the President that they will retain control of Congress points to a "fixed" election.

    They are banking on Gerrymandering, something that is already done and can't be reversed prior to the election, and mostly, I think they are counting on the DIEBOLD machines.

  138. Maybe when we're done bringing a free and open democracy to Iraq, we could work on it here.

  139. I just watched the entire interview with Lynne Cheney and Wolf Blitzer and it was unbelievable.

    She basically told Wolf he was supporting the enemy and wanted them to win. She questioned his patriotism and called his news reports "terrorist propaganda".

    Then she went on to sell her book.

  140. Americans are dying in a foreign land, and what did the Vice Presidents wife have to say to Americans everywhere?

    Shut up, quit complaining and buy my book.

  141. Meanwhile, apparently the new Iraqi government is pro Bush.

    They just postponed the sentencing of Saddam Hussien to TWO DAYS BEFORE THE US ELECTIONS!


    No, the Bush administration isn't guilty of using terrorism and war as election tools.

    Why would anything think that?

  142. And just when President Bush finally did something I agree with, I find out hes playing politics with our national security again.

    Or can someone explain why Bush just signed a law to put a fence between the US and Mexico, and then left out the necessary funding?

  143. I AGREE:

    Your Fault

    I was always taught as a manager that no matter what your employee does wrong, it ultimately is your fault. You somehow failed in hiring the wrong person, didn't train them properly or oversee their progress, etc. I accept that to this day. Managers have to be accountable for the performance of their employees.

    Even if our President is not.

    Despite his ridiculous speech yesterday in which he claims that the responsibility for Iraq lies "with the President", he has accepted less responsibility for anything bad that he and his group have actually done than the average manager at McDonalds. No one in the Bush White House has ever admitted a mistake (not really) or apologized and promised to do better. No one. It is part of their "Never Apologize, Never Admit" strategy. It is something that Rush Limbaugh has used successfully for years.

    So if they won't take blame then someone else must. Who is that someone?


    We are in prime election season and that means plenty of blame for plenty of problems. But the fact is that this is STILL a government chosen by the people.

    So if you voted for "W" or any Republican in 2002 or 2004 a good majority of our problems are your fault. Notice I cut you a break for 2000 since we had no national idea what kind of disaster Bush would be. Well, some of us did.

    Just think about this:

    It is your fault that someone you know was killed or injured in Iraq.

    It is your fault that Americans were allowed to die in New Orleans mainly because they mostly vote Democratic (when they vote).

    It is your fault that the nation's wealthiest people and companies are becoming much richer at the expense of hope and opportunity.

    It is your fault that science has had to defend itself against "intelligent design" nonsense in our SCHOOLS no less.

    It is your fault that any decent American who has opposed the current President gets treated like a traitor to our nation.

    It is your fault that our traditional friends across the world can no longer afford to be seen as supporting us.

    It is your fault that our enemies have been emboldened and grown in strength since the election of George W. Bush.

    It is your fault that our national security has been compromised by the unwillingness of this President and his Republican puppets to actually engage in diplomacy with North Korea or Iran. We did it very successfully with the Soviets and won.

    It is your fault that Osama Bin Ladin roams free to make tapes while they are still finding pieces of his victims in New York.

    If you voted for Bush and the GOP lots of things have been lost that may never come back and this would also be your fault.

    The only remedy for this is to give the other side a shot. Vote Democratic no matter what in a couple of weeks. No matter what.

    Then it can be someone else's fault.

  144. BTW if you VOTE for the rubber stampers, YOU want MORE of this disaster.

    BTW, you should also pick up a weapon report to Iraq to stand a post for the sycophants you support, and relieve the troops who have had three and even four deployments.

    Otherwise your as big a wussy as those in the White House who pass the buck around. But then again some here have proven that time and time again.

  145. I don't know about you Clif, but I am having a hard time finding people who are voting republican this time.

  146. Not if the Brad blog story is true, according to it, you "vote" for a democrat, and the machine reading your real intentions, it says your vote was really for the republican.

  147. Oh so thats how this democracy thingy works.

    And then Lynne Cheney gets to tell us all to shut up and buy her book, right?

  148. I do not need Lynn Cheney's Book about lesbians, Her daughters words about it from a FIRST person perspective is enough for me, the voyeurism of her mother I do not need.

  149. Clif, guess what? Looks like Lynne Cheney LIED.

    Lied to Wolf Blitzer and lied to us all on national television.

    When Wolf brought up Jim Webb referencing her novel that included lesbianism, she UNEQUIVOCABLY STATED that there was NO LESBIAN relations in her books.

    Turns out there was.

    In fact, turns out that there were MULTIPLE scenes depicting a lesbian love affair.

    Yet she SCOLDED Wolf for even suggesting it.

    The wife of the Vice President just LIED on national television, while telling us "serfs" to shut up, quit complaining and buy her book.

    I'll say one thing for her. She's got balls.

  150. And we haven't even got into her buddy, Scooter Libby's incestual bestiality novels.

  151. Worfeus WHY not have the Wife of the Head LIAR in Washington who spearheaded to build up of lies to war, LIE to the American people on the Public air Waves, because the MSM will not DIRECTLY call them the liars they are.

    Hell they ignored the lies in the run up to war.

    They ignored the Mark Foley scandal until it broke thru on the Internet.

    They HIDE the true holocaust which Iraq has become.

    They Poo Poo the possibility that over half a million people have been killed in that war.

    They spin the facts for Bush in 2000 and 2004, while ignoring FACTS about Bush.

    SO why not just sit their like a BOOB while the Wife of the man who shot a man in the face l;ied about it and walked away free, why not allow HER to LIE on TV, it isn't like it is a sin lie being gay or something.......

    Oh right, that list DOES include LYING, so she did SIN, in Front of All the Americans who were watching.


    Must made ole Dead Eye proud they both are guilty of the same sin just to keep their greed based culture of corruption going.

    They have something they can share under the repug tent of distorted values.

  152. Police, Secret Service investigate report of suspicious substance at Clinton's NYC office

    With the secret service involved they might actually solve this one, those people do not quit.

  153. You know I wouldn't have said anything but the way she SCOLDED the American people, and the press, basically calling anyone who suggests any reality other than the one invented by her husband, guilty of promoting terrorist propaganda.

    It really shows the world this small group of privlidged people live in.

    We are expendable resources to them, nothing more.

  154. If I'm lying, then someone explain to me whose book of the morally acceptable states that the wife of the Vice President of the United States should be selling a book while American soldiers die daily in the field with no end in sight.

  155. On a national news show, demanding the news caster that is interviewing her promote her stupid book.

    Its unseemly.

  156. David Letterman, just told Bill O'Liely he make up the facts....

  157. Worf said "We are expendable resources to them, nothing more."

    Exactly right, do you notice how these power mad fools keep using the word "TOOL" over and over again, the military is a their tool to enrich them and maintain power, the MSM is their tool to spread fear, propaganda and stay in power, the illegal warrantless spying on all Americans is a tool to get dirt on friends and foes to stay in power, dismantling the Constitution to allow torture and imprisonment with no evidence or due process is a necessary tool to the evil fascists, torturing the enemy to incite acts of terrorism is a neccessary tool for perpetual war and in their eyes perpetual power.

    this occured to me this morning, to these evil megalomanics, people and sacred concepts like human life, liberty and freedom, and the Constitution they swore to defend as well as acts of evil such as torture and murder and imprisonment without evidence are all TOOLS TO BE MANIPULATED BY THEM TO SUIT THEIR EVIL SELF SERVING AGENDA AND RUTHLESS QUEST FOR PERPETUAL POWER.

  158. to the repugs people are nothing more than expendable pawns on a chessboard to be sacrificed at whim if its to their benefit......................prior to or at the start of the Iraq war I remember GWB saying "WAR IS GREAT FOR THE ECONOMY"

    he basically admited that who cares if people die as long as him and his cronnies can make a buck and line their pockets.

  159. HELL Bill O Admitted Iraq was about the OIL, And then had the GALL to ask what is wrong with that?

  160. I heard David Letterman took Oreilly out for a ride on the Late Show.

    I heard he hammered him.

  161. And talking of making money, what kind of brass ones does it take to put the vice Presidents wife on a political news show to sell her crappy book while at the same time Americans are being killed in a war she supports?

    When are the Cheney's kids going to support their parents war and do the honorable thing, and sign up?

  162. Shes pushing a book she wrote to convince other peoples kids to be good little patriots and join the military but her own kids are above all that.

  163. But O'Liely kept saying it was all a game.

    Trying to play what David letterman was saying was just part of a JOKE, or skit they planned. Bill O has a few problems with reality.

  164. Worfeus one Daughter is prevented from joining because of the little sexual preference thingy.

    the other is watching the Department of State for ole dead Eye.

  165. No Small Change: Taxes Mean Government Win When Energy Prices Go Up.

    P23, 2006 " Consumers bear much of the cost of higher oil prices. But who realizes the benefits ??The answer may surprise you . Governments gain the most. For every dollar of Exxon Mobil's revenue, on average 25 cents is paid to Governments"

    This dwarfs even Exxon's revenue by approximately 250%. so it becomes clear that except for political advantage prior to the Congressional ellection it is in The Bush Administrations best interest as well as the Oil Giants best interersts to keep oil prices high regardless of how it impacts the poor or middle class is dangerous when our government's interests are alligned with big oil and the big buck special interests, rather than the people they were elected to serve.

  166. Looks like the ACLU just dropped its challenge to the Patriot Act. Now the question is "why are the Democrats still against it?"

    If the Dems get to the left of the ACLU, how can they expect to win an election?

  167. If the repugs stop lying and pulling scams, how can they expect to win an election.

  168. I haven't seen the ACLU thing yet, but one things for sure.

    TT is only giving us "part" of the story.

  169. Hey TT.

    You're always tossing out the topics and asking us to tell you how we feel about them.

    Answer this one for me please.

    How do you feel about illegal Aliens, and your Presidents attempts to provide them with Amenesty and his subsequent bill to build a fence between the US and Mexico, and then failing to fund it?

  170. Great comments. But Lynn Cheney is a very disturbed human being.

    This administration is a bunch of THUGS.

  171. Distrubed is putting it mildly.

    She scolded Americans everywhere, like she was our freakin mother or something.

    And then she tells us to by her book.

  172. Whats it called?

    Mommy Dearest?

  173. I am listening to David Kuo, where he is OUTING the dishonesty of George Bush and the people who spun compassionate conservatism, and caring for the POOR for political gain, and NEVER actually intended to fund it.

    He seems s bit disappointed at Bush ET AL for saying ONE thing and DOING something different.

    Jesus had a word for leaders who do that.

  174. The New York Times national rankings of congress, district by district, seems to disagree with KKKarl's new math.

    Safe Democratic......196 seats.

    Leaning democratic...18 seats.

    Toss up.....................16 seats.

    Leaning republican...27 seats.

    Safe republican .....178 seats.

    This compilation of congressional polls has slowly moved to the democrats each week. Now with both safe and leaning seats, the democrats have already increased their position in congress and only have to take 5 of the toss up seats to get control of the house. If the trends of the past 6 weeks in this compilation continue, by Tuesday November 7th, they will have enough safe and leaning seats, with out any toss up necessary.

    BTW all 16 toss ups are repug seats, not good because it seems very few dem seats are in play but MANY MANY repug seats are.

    Not good for KKKarl's new math.

  175. Tiny it LOOKS like we are going to have a speaker of the House named Nancy...............................enjoy son.

  176. BTW tiny you ALWAYS rant about abortion, well son HOW about this story?

    In the winter of 1971 George W. Bush was dating a woman named Robin Lowman (now Robin Garner). Miss Lowman became pregnant by Smirk and he arranged for her to have an abortion - which in the great state of Texas in 1971 was very illegal! Not to mention that George W. is running as a pro-life candidate for the presidency.

    The unnamed source of this story, was a friend of Robin Lowman's and the girlfriend of the man who arranged the abortion. His name is Robert Carl Chandler. Chandler is a Bush friend and supporter from way back and he made the arrangements for Miss Lowman's abortion at the Twelve Oaks Hospital in Houston, TX (now the Bayou City Medical Center). The source overheard the call by Mr. Chandler to arrange the abortion and the source visited Robin Lowman at the Twelve Oaks Hospital after the procedure.

    The source meanwhile, is afraid of coming forward, saying that she was threatened by Chandler and another Bush friend and supporter named Jim Bath. Bath has longstanding intelligence connections, and played a role in the BCCI scandal. Robin Lowman (now Garner) is married to Jerry Lee Garner who is an FBI agent.

    So, that's the story: an illegal back room abortion arranged by the Republican party Presidential candidate who is running on a pro-life ticket.

    Could a man who partied in the late 60's and through out the 70's, who hid his cocaine use, hid his DUI, and had his daddy get his SEC problems sealed, has problems with his stories about being AWOL and not completing his obligations with the military, have even MORE problems?

  177. And how about the LIBERAL CNN editing the reference to it out of their transcripts?

    Like this story points out.

    Liberal My ass, they shrill for him and the repugs, just not as insanely as Fox Lies Corp.

  178. Worf said "Hey TT.

    You're always tossing out the topics and asking us to tell you how we feel about them.

    Answer this one for me please.

    How do you feel about illegal Aliens, and your Presidents attempts to provide them with Amenesty and his subsequent bill to build a fence between the US and Mexico, and then failing to fund it?"

    Well i'm glad someone finnaly noticed this enough to comment about it, I posted about Bush talking tough on border security but failing to fund the proposal to build that very border fence he is patting himself on the back for 4-6 weeks ago, and stated how its amazing how the repugs can use smoke and mirrors talk out of both sides of their mouth about how they are tough on national security or tough on terror and No one calls them on it..................i'll repost the article later today when I find it, but I find it amazing that the MSM has essentially played dead and not called Bush on his smoke and mirrors doubletalk with an election pending.............I guess the smear and fear repugs dont want to focus on real issues or their own hippocrissy, just sliming their opponents with lies.

  179. Like I said, I'm with Pat Buchanan on the immigration issue, so I don't agree new plan signed by Bush, but it's better than nothing. Also, read theConstitution -it's up to the House to appropriate money. I guess If I were Bush and the alternative was nothing (no fence, etc.), I would have signed it as well. As you guys like to point out, we do not have a unitary president, so maybe Bush signed the best deal he could get out of the Congress. That's how things get done.

    As for the abortion STORY, I have no idea if it's true, but consider this: the most passionate anti-abortion women in the country are women who have had abortions. Since Roe v. Wade, close to 40,000,000 babies have been killed by abortion. As Ann Coulter likes to say, the Democrats are aborting themselves out of existence.

  180. Broaddrick Rape Interview on NBC Shakes up the Polls
    The Broaddrick interview:
    What do you think?

    By: Mary Mostert, Analyst, Original Sources (

    February 25, 1999

    In the past three years three very credible women have told remarkably similar stories about encounters with Bill Clinton. Paula Jones told of Clinton exposing his penis and asking her to kiss it. Kathleen Willey told of going into the Oval Office on the day her distraught husband committed suicide over financial problems in search of help from the President in finding a paying job - and being mauled and asked for sex.

    And, last night we heard a weeping Juanita Broaddrick recount a forcible rape by then Attorney General Bill Clinton. Broaddrick told Lisa Myers in the Dateline NBC interview, which the network tried to avoid showing, that as she and Clinton drank coffee in the hotel room and looked out a window, "all of a sudden, he turned me around and started kissing me." It was supposed to be a business meeting. Clinton had suggesting meeting in her room "to avoid the reporters."

    Broaddrick said that despite her repeated protests and a struggle to get away from him, Clinton bit her lip and forced her onto the bed for sex.

    "He was such a different person at that moment; he was just a vicious awful person," Broaddrick said, sobbing.

    On Friday, after an article appeared about Broddrick's charges in the Wall Street Journal, Clinton's private attorney, David Kendall, said the allegations were false.

    Broaddrick had told a couple of people about the incident at the time, one of them a good woman friend who worked with her. However, when the story surfaced prior to the 1992 election, Broaddrick claimed it was "consensual sex." When asked the same questions by Kenneth Starr, Broaddrick discussed the situation with her husband and they concluded she could not lie to the grand jury. The information, which Starr concluded did not involve obstruction of justice, was in the 40 boxes of material turned over to the House Judiciary Committee by Kenneth Starr - but was not part of the perjury and obstruction of justice Articles of Impeachment.

    Millions of Americans saw Juanita Broaddrick last night on Nightline. What did they think? Especially, what did the women think? The poll taken on NBC's website is not broken down by male and female - but it it is clear that the majority of the people believed Juanita Broaddrick.

    Juanita Broaddrick was interviewed at her own home - which appeared to be in horse country. The president's lawyer, Bob Bennett, and his spin doctors can't trash her easily with a tag like "trailer park trash." She has no book deal and it's 14 years too late for any kind of legal response. She is motivated, as Paula Jones was motivated, by an internal concern for her children - and her neices and granddaughters. Broadderick never even considered going to the police. "No one would have believed me," she told Lisa Myers. "I felt guilty. I should never have allowed a man to come to my hotel room." Her comment comes from another time - when women who were raped were told that they "must have done something" to lead the man into thinking it was "OK." Broadderick felt guilty because she had allowed Clinton to invite himself up to her room to discuss what she believed was a business matter. The almost instantaneous rejection of Clinton showed in the poll MSNBC posted of those who have just viewed the Lisa Myers interview.

  181. Broaddrick details alleged rape by Clinton
    Juanita: Assault covered up 'for the sake of power and money'

    Posted: June 11, 2003
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    By Jon Doughey

    A woman who claims Bill Clinton raped her in 1978 has repeated her accusation on national television, as Hillary Clinton launched her long-awaited book that essentially ignored the allegation.

    Juanita Broaddrick (courtesy: Fox News)

    Juanita Broaddrick, a former nursing home administrator, said during an interview with Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel's Hannity and Colmes program, that Clinton, while he was still attorney general of Arkansas, sexually assaulted her.

    At first known as "Jane Doe No. 5" in Kenneth Starr's impeachment report to Congress, she had filed an affidavit in the Paula Jones case, at first denying Clinton had made any unwelcome sexual advances to her. But Broaddrick later claimed to investigators for independent counsel Starr that she was raped.

    A Clinton campaign worker at the time, she described a meeting in her hotel room in which Clinton held her down forcibly on a bed and bit her lips while engaging in sexual intercourse. After the encounter, Clinton allegedly told her not to worry because he was sterile.

    She first told her story to the Wall Street Journal in 1999.

    Clinton, through his attorneys shortly after the Journal report appeared, claimed the allegations were false. But Broaddrick, in her interview, said the former two-term president assaulted her, then "casually" asked her to put ice on her swollen bottom lip he had bitten during the alleged attack.

    "Then he … put on his sun glasses and walked out the door," Broaddrick said.

    She went on to say she told a friend – Norma Rogers – who "found me" right after the incident "that, I was sitting there crying and so upset at the time… I felt like the next person coming through the door to get rid of the body. I absolutely couldn't believe what had happened to me."

    Rogers later said in an interview she found Broaddrick in a state of shock, her lip swollen, mouth bruised, and her pantyhose torn at the crotch.

    During the Fox News broadcast last night, Broaddrick said she had told up to five people of the incident within hours or days after it occurred.

    "You begged him to stop?" Hannity asked.

    "Yes," Broaddrick replied.

    Later in the interview, Hannity brought up the fact that Broaddrick had waited some 20 years before reporting the incident. He asked if she regretted waiting so long, and she replied that she did not.

    "I don't regret [it] because I don't think it would have been received any better at that time than it is now," she said. "I don't think that's anything anybody wants to hear, that the attorney general of the state of Arkansas did something like this. … It was my word against his."

    Broaddrick noted that she was, at the time, a Democrat and supporter of Clinton's, and that he had great "charisma" to be governor of the state.

    "That's how all this came about," she said. "I thought he was what we needed."

    "In hindsight," Broaddrick said, if authorities "had the ability to do back then what they can do now … to prove a rape, I probably would have done something" years ago.

    "I felt so responsible," she told Hannity. "I felt like it was my fault [for years] because I allowed a man to come to my room. I just felt, 'Well, you got what you were asking for.'"

    In 1991, she said, Clinton "called me out of a nursing home meeting. He called me out, and I came around the corner and there he stands. … I thought, 'Why does this man want to talk to me?'"

    She said Clinton apologized to her "for what had happened, tried to take my hand – which I wouldn't allow – and said, 'I'm not the man I used to be. I'm a changed person,' and, 'How can you ever forgive me?'"

    That was 13 years after the alleged attack, Broaddrick said.

    "I stood there for a minute … and I just told him to go to hell, and I walked off," she said.

    Broaddrick said she discussed Clinton's apology with a few friends, and eventually she came to think that maybe he was genuinely sorry for what had happened. But then, she said, "three weeks later he announced he was running for president."

    "So, that was his motivation," Hannity asked, "'Don't come public?'"

    "Yes," said Broaddrick.

    Hannity said during his research of Broaddrick's case, which has spanned at least three years, he has yet to find a single instance where a fact she stated has been successfully refuted or proven wrong.

    But other critics questioned Broaddrick's timing regarding her initial report of the alleged attack.

    Susan Estrich, a Fox News analyst, law school professor and a professed rape victim, said she has to "draw a line between sex and rape."

    "I'll be the last person to attack Juanita Broaddrick," she said. "I'm a rape victim myself. I understand the pain of it. I understand why women are afraid to come forward."

    But, she said, "I want to say this. … Imagine that somebody came up 20, 25 years later. It seems to me, with all due respect to Miss Broaddrick and all the pain she's in, [but] the reason we have a statute of limitations in the criminal law is because it's impossible 20, 25 years later to prove a negative."

    And Eleanor Clift, another Fox News analyst, said she believed a lot of the criticism regarding both Clintons had to do with the perception among some in the electorate that Bill Clinton's presidency was "illegitimate."

    To such critics, "he somehow exemplified the 1960s," she said. "He dodged the draft, he had a history of being unfaithful to his wife, and he had a wife who was clearly ambitious in her own right. So I think for a complex set of cultural reasons," as well as "desire to regain power for [conservative] Republicans – call it the vast network of conservatives or conspiracy or whatever language you want to use – but a lot of people in high places aided and abetted this effort, and they did whatever they could to advance their cause," she said.

    But, after years of avoiding the media – since 1992 when the first rumors of the story began to surface – Broaddrick decided to do an interview with NBC. The interview took place on Jan. 20, 1999, but NBC, once in possession of the story, hesitated to air it. As Broaddrick had heard, her interview was slotted to run on the Jan. 29 episode of "Dateline," but didn't.

    In fact, a significant stir was created over the interview when anchor Tom Brokaw threatened to resign if the interview was aired. As NBC's Lisa Myers, who had interviewed Broaddrick, told her, "The good news is you're credible. The bad news is you're very credible."

    Finally, several weeks later, NBC did air the complete interview with Broaddrick in prime time. After it aired, a Zogby public opinion poll showed that most Americans either believed Clinton was guilty of the 1978 rape of Broaddrick, or say that more information is needed to make a true judgment.

    Hannity asked Broaddrick why she waited so long to make public the allegations, especially after initially saying there was no truth to them.

    "Did you see what happened to Gennifer Flowers," the woman who said in 1992 she was a 12-year lover of Clinton's," asked Broaddrick. "Did you see what happening to Paula Jones," the woman who said Clinton exposed himself to her in an Arkansas hotel.

    Broaddrick told Hannity she wasn't afraid of telling the truth. "I just knew what would happen" – meaning, her reputation would be destroyed by the Clinton administration and, to a degree, the mainstream media.

    "I can't imagine someone covering up what a man … has done for the sake of power and money," Broaddrick said.

  182. So answer mew this you Libs: Whom would you rather have as a babysitter? Bill Clinton? Jim Webb? George W. Bush?

  183. Hey TT, is your house ok, or did you suffer flood damage, whar areas got hit the hardest, Downtown and the Eastside??????

  184. Get a clue TT, Clinton is NOT the person who RAPED this country.

    But desperation does make some people do STUPID things doesn't it numbnuts. Like trying to blame Bush's incompetence and idiotic hubris on Bill Clinton.

    Say hello to;













    are you USED to it yet SON?

    If not too bad for the NEXT two years you will have a lot of time hearing that name to get used to it.

    BTW just so you can try it some more son;

























    Used to it YET son?

  185. If I had to Rank them Clinton followed by jim Webb and I wouldnt want or tolerate GWB as a babysitter............He needs a babysitter himself!

  186. Hey TT, Why would someone not want Clinton as a babysitter.............He likes legal age Women..........not underage boys!

    Btw would you want Scooter Libby or Lynn the liar Chenney for a babysitter?

  187. TT the IDIOT asked for the millionth time because he has NO CLUE;

    So answer mew this you Libs: Whom would you rather have as a babysitter? Bill Clinton? Jim Webb? George W. Bush?

    Well since George Bush is a coke head, drunk who gets WOMEN pregnent then forces them to have abortions illegally, HE is definately out.

    Bill Clinton , NO rape proven so he is innocent of you idiotic asertions son. He would involve the child in interesting discussions, not sit there for seven minutes because he had NO clue.

    And Bill Clinton would not quit at 9pm to go to bed.

    Jim Webb who knows the difference between FICTION and REALITY, something the repugs have a BIG problem with would probably make a good baby sitter because his son is going off to war, not getting drunk illegally and having the secret service cover it all up.

  188. I don't think Pelosi will be the next speaker because the GOP will retain control, but I will say this: be carefull in what you wish for. I think Pelosi as speaker would hurt the Dems for than anyone.

  189. Clif, when I first mentioned the writings of Jim Webb, you said that you wanted to research the context of those scenes. Well, it's been a few days, please tell us what context justifies those sick scenes.

  190. Well TT, do you think they are worsde than Scooter's bestiality scenes? Or Lying Lynn Cheney's Lesbian scenes, I'll bet people writing about humans having sex with animals and Lesbian sex would go over great with your holier than thou cough cough "family values crowd" why dont we ask them if they would let these two babysit their kids.

  191. But, since it is highly unlikely that either Clointon or Webb will go into the babysitting business, your question is nothing more than an attempt to slime and smear democrats and divert from the real issues........BECAUSE THATS ALL YA GOT!!!!!!

  192. Funny, how when Foley was issue, any other subject was a "diversion." Now that Webb is the issue, that is a diversion.

  193. Who says Webb is an issue other than you desperate repugs...........if Webb "IS" an issue then I guess Scooter Libby and Lynn Cheney should be issues as well, as well as Bush and Cheney's judgement for appointing or marrying these "type" of people Aye TT????????????

  194. Mark Foley was found to be ACTIVELY engaging young pages for sex over the Internet.

    Your "issue" with Webb is over a 20 year old FICTIONAL novel he wrote, similar to Scooter Libby's and Lynne Cheney's strange and sensual fictional novels.

    They are not even comprable.

  195. Worf, don't you think that it's disturbing that these scenes sprung from the sick and fertile imagination of a candidate for US Senate.

    I have not seen the scenes from Libby (who has bigger problems now) or Lynn Cheney, but from what I hear, the book from Lynn Cheney was not graphic in the least.

  196. Clif, where is that redeeming context you promised us?