Thursday, January 18, 2007

Lt. Ehren Watada vs. Illegal and Immoral War in Iraq

Please stop for a moment and say a prayer for our troops around the world. Of all the gifts you could give a Marine, US Soldier, Sailor, Airman, & all others deployed in harm's way, prayer is the very best one.

Stand with Lt. Ehren Watada Against Illegal and Immoral War in Iraq

"My fellow soldiers are fighting and dying in Iraq and their families are suffering because of the lies and deceptions crafted by the Bush Administration. The Iraq war is not only a crime against domestic and international law but [it] is a terrible moral injustice against the Iraqi people." Lt. Ehren Watada (CONTINUED BELOW)

Before we continue with a letter from Lt. Watada's mother, I need to say this: Life is not black and white, and human emotions change. Sometimes we incorporate conflicting nuances of behavior, and cannot be categorized one way or another. I am in conflict over my anger at our president, George Bush, as most of my fellow Americans are. First of all, we don't think he won the 2001 election fairly, and with every cell of my being we knew this war was evil. War should always be a last resort, but Invading Iraq was not a "last resort." Certain powers-that-be are engaged in war profiteering. This is criminal. How dare he put our young people in harms way, and destroy the beautiful Iraqi nation, just to enrich Haliburton, Cheney and other billionaire friends with "no-bid" contracts! The Iraqi people are builders too. They have their own higher power. Let them take care of their nation, even if they have to fight it out in a civil war at this point. We are only continuing to stir up a hornet's nest.

So the only way we can express our horror and sadness is by writing or taking to the streets. Last year, with the illegal wiretapping and the monopoly of the airwaves by big-business evangelicals —I did not feel I was in a Democracy. It felt like a dictatorship. Still, I don't feel it helps to call our president an idiot or a moron. Here is what I posted yesterday, and will repeat here: "I struggled with my anger toward Bush, because I know it doesn't heal things. But I feel such agony over the deaths of our soldiers — young kids barely out of high school — and I am so horrified that Bush doesn't seem to care about human life, that I lash out. I am angry at the way Bush is expanding this senseless, insane "war" he created. But I know that thinking the worst of Bush, or anyone, never helps them. Our thoughts about people and situations have to elevate them. We have to see the good in people, even those we think are evil. This is prayer: seeing the good in others so overwhelmingly that our vision of them actually changes the situation. Even with terrorists, dictators, "deciders" — and in the environment, world affairs, financial crises — it works for our worst enemies. George Bush will be lifted up and he will do the right thing, the more we send him love. " For more on the metaphysical answers to life, see below: yesterday's blog. - Lydia

MORE ON LT. WATADA:

As the first Army officer to publicly speak out against the war and refuse deployment to Iraq, Lt Watada will be punished by the U.S. Army with a maximum six years in prison. The military's intention IS to SILENCE VOICES OF RESISTANCE and make an example out of Lt. Watada.

Letter from Carolyn Ho – Mother of Lt Watada

Dear Friends, On behalf of Lt. Watada and our family, thank you for standing with us during this most difficult time. Because of his refusal to deploy to the illegal and immoral Iraq War, my son now faces a maximum of 6 years in a military prison. The pretrial is scheduled for Jan. 4, 2007. The court martial is calendared for Feb. 5, 2007.

We are just days away from the pretrial and must broaden his support base. Help us mobilize the local, national, and international community through your personal, professional, religious and other networks. Please forward the attached email alert with a brief explanation. Ask people to go to: www.thankyoult.org to learn more about Lt. Watada's case. On the main menu, supporters can click on SIGN PETITION/GET UPDATES AND ALERTS. They will receive weekly email updates that call for actions in support of Lt. Watada's stand.

Encourage your contacts to integrate these actions into the anti-war activism they are already doing. Their voices are critical to building an international public opinion campaign that demands justice and no punishment for Lt. Watada. His voice of resistance to this heinous war cannot be silenced!
In Solidarity,
Carolyn Ho (Lt. Watada’s Mother)

"The war in Iraq is in fact illegal. It is my obligation and my duty to refuse any orders to participate in this war. An order to take part in an illegal war is unlawful in itself. So my obligation is not to follow the order to go to Iraq." - Lt. Ehren Watada

NATIONAL DAY OF ACTION

Feb. 5, 2007 - Lt. Watada Military Court Martial

Rally at the gates of Ft. Lewis, Washington or in your local community

5 Actions to Support Lt. Watada

1. Send letters or call Commander Dubik. Urge him to:

* Dismiss all charges
* Honor Lt. Watada's resignation

Lt. General James Dubik
Commanding General Fort Lewis
1 Corps Building 2025 Stop 1
Fort Lewis, WA 98433
Phone 253-967-1110

2. Spread the word about Feb. 5, 2007. Forward this email and post on blogs, MySpace, student, activist, social justice and media websites. Register for campaign updates.

3. Encourage your organization to endorse the National Day of Action and mobilize on Feb. 5, 2007. Please specify national, state, city, chapter/local, and contact person, and send to action@ltwatada.org.

4. Organize a student walkout, rally or vigil on Feb. 5, 2007. Tell us about your action so we can include your event on our website.

5. Donate online to Lt. Watada's Defense Fund.

website: www.thankyoult.org

January 20-22, 2007
Citizens' Hearings
Evergreen State College, Tacoma campus
Tacoma, WA

February 5, 2007
Court Martial Trial Begins

For more information contact info@ltwatada.org. Make your 2007 New Year's Resolution to Stand with Lt. Watada Against Illegal and Immoral War

On Monday, February 5, 2007 take action against the Iraq war and in support of Lt. Watada during his military court martial. Stand up with Lt. Watada and speak out against the illegal and immoral war! Join the national movement and organize student walkouts and non-violent demonstrations. Together let's build a mass movement in the streets, in our schools, and in our communities to end the Iraq War. On Feb. 5, 2007 rally at the gates of Fort Lewis, Washington or in your local community.

For courageously standing up and speaking out against the Iraq War, New Year's Eve 2007 may be Lt. Watada's last holiday as a free man until 2013. While many 28 year-olds are starting their families and building their careers, Ehren will be locked away in military prison for following his conscience and refusing to fight in the Iraq War.

Now it is time for you to follow your conscience and join the national movement to support Lt. Watada and end the Iraq war.

As civilians, the responsibility ultimately falls on us to demand an end to the Iraq war. In fact, we owe it to the soldiers who are fighting and dying in Iraq every day, as well as those resisting the war. We must all stand up and speak out against the war and in support Lt. Ehren Watada!

Currently, the Bush Administration is planning to deploy 30,000 more U.S. troops to Iraq, yet the overwhelming majority of Americans oppose the Iraq war. Since 2003 the war has cost 3,000 U.S. soldiers' lives, approximately 950,000 Iraqi deaths, 2 trillion U.S tax dollars or approximately 8 billion dollars a week. We can no longer stand by and continue to allow this great injustice to occur!

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I urge you all to check out Robert Dreyfuss' recent articles at www.robertdreyfuss.com. He is an expert on Iraq and is often advising Congress. He is published in Rolling Stone, The Nation and Mother Jones. I spoke to him last night and he said he has an article coming out in Washington Monthly in which he describes what will happen if we pull out of Iraq immediately. It will help everyone and bring peace faster.

It is very arrogant of us to think the Iraqis have no ability to solve their own problems. It is arrogant of Bush to think he is the savior of this foreign land, and that they have no relationship with a higher power of their own. Bush is playing God.

Welcome visitors from Ghana, India and Pakistan!

305 comments:

  1. Lydia, is the soldier who served but then refused his recall to the theatre, or is this a new one?

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  2. It is interesting the army is refusing to allow Lt Ehren Watada to use all LEGAL defenses, against his forced deployment to an illegal war, seems Bush ET AL can NOT stand the scrutiny of the war Bush lied the army and all its soldiers into...

    I guess they will want to keep that question off the docket until their trials in the Hague for war crimes .. good luck to them on that.

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  3. Carl he is a new one,

    "The war in Iraq is in fact illegal. It is my obligation and my duty to refuse any orders to participate in this war. An order to take part in an illegal war is unlawful in itself. So my obligation is not to follow the order to go to Iraq." - Lt. Ehren Watada

    He is refusing deployment which would be harder if he had already deployed previously...

    WIKI article on Lt. Ehren Watada

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  4. Anonymous10:16 AM

    Now why would they lock this clearly valuable and good young man, just for objecting to a war that 75 percent of the American people object to?

    Why not just give him some alternative duty?

    Why not send him to Afghanistan?

    We need good men there, and that war is after Al Quaida, who did attack us.

    Why not send him to Germany, or keep him stateside in some important role?

    Does the military really think this excellent man needs to be sitting in prison?

    Prison is for dangerous criminals.

    Not decent, good, successful people.

    This is a crime.

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  5. Worf,

    You balance all that with the fact that the military thrives on discipline and if they make an exception in his case, they'll have to make exceptions in all cases.

    Which means, well, I guess, we'd have to have a draft, so white rich kids would be put at risk...

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  6. Mike said...
    Carl I think China and other 3rd world couintry's raising their standard of living and growing their middle class is playing a big factor in that grain shortage you mentioned.


    Oh no doubt about it, and if China ever moved their farming methods into even the early 20th Century, they might replace Canada and America as the breadbasket to the world.

    The issue comes down to water, something that, as global warming kicks in, will become an huge issue, and very soon.

    Right now, there's a drought in the Midwest that is getting more and more stubborn. It affected last growing season (part of why the tonnage produced was off), and looks like it will be worse this year than last.

    Nebraska's been in drought for nearly three growing seasons now, and it's going to start impacting irrigation, on top of places that have been receiving less than their natural rainfall patterns.

    Global warming models predict an huge desert in the Midwest and Plains states, by the way. NOAA predicts an improvement this year, but it may not be enough of an improvement to stop wholesale crop failures.

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  7. By the way, how many of you saw Colbert put the smack-down on Dinesh D'JohnPhillipsSousa?

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  8. Anonymous12:16 PM

    I saw it.

    He mauled him

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  9. LOL, Lydia's getting sneaky,I was wondering why things got so quiet, didnt think of checking for a new thread though.

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  10. Anonymous12:23 PM

    I think under the circumstances, the military could have just chosen to reassign this soldier somewhere else. I understand they can't let people refuse service, but with a war that even the generals know is not probably founded on legal grounds, it might make sense to show a kinder, gentler approach in this instance.

    Maybe they could discharge him, as a form of punishment.

    But to lock a good, upstanding member of society away into a steel cage, like an animal, is in itself criminal.

    If our society keeps locking up good men, who are not a danger to society, then there won't be enough of them left to balance out the bad.

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  11. Anonymous12:24 PM

    Mike said...
    LOL, Lydia's getting sneaky,I was wondering why things got so quiet, didnt think of checking for a new thread though.


    Lol.

    You're gettin slow in your old age Mike.

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  12. What astounded me was the fact it went right over D'SousaphoneBlower's head. Missed it completely, and the look on Colbert's face when he realized how much he scored on D'IfYouBlewSousaLikeIBlewSousa was priceless. I'm amazed he kept his face straight.

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  13. Anonymous12:26 PM

    Oh didn't you know Carl?

    Global warming's not real.

    Cause a guy named Freedom Fan say's so.

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  14. Worf,

    Yea, I see your point, and you'd think that would make sense, so you have to wonder why they're taking it this far?

    I guess now they have their backs up against it.

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  15. BLOG CZAR WORFEUS said...
    Oh didn't you know Carl?

    Global warming's not real.

    Cause a guy named Freedom Fan say's so.


    Oh.

    Well.

    Sure. I mean, I guess some guy sitting around his parent's basement munching Cheetos while applying to attend Bob Jones University, majoring in Christ, would know more about global warming than 99.9999999999% of the folks with PhD's in climatology and physical sciences...

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  16. I mean, he'd have to, right? He's read US News and World Reports, after all...

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  17. Anonymous12:30 PM

    Hey guys.

    Found this on Huffpost today.

    We were just talking about this with our good friends FF and Volt the other day.

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  18. Anonymous12:32 PM

    Unscientific American: US Almost Last in Understanding Evolution

    Americans rank next-to-last on a survey of 34 nations' acceptance of evolution as a scientific fact. (See the chart, below.) Our awareness of this scientific reality has actually gone down over the past 20 years, no doubt as a result of the so-called "intelligent design" movement and other Christian fundamentalist campaigns.

    In fact, frequent churchgoers in the US are most likely to doubt evolution. How will their children - and ours - become the great scientists, doctors, and engineers of tomorrow?

    The US scores well behind nine European countries in its acceptance of scientific fact. Jon Miller, the primary author of the survey on evolution, notes one likely cause:

    "The biblical literalist focus of fundamentalism in the United States sees Genesis as a true and accurate account of the creation of human life that supersedes any scientific finding or interpretation.

    In contrast, mainstream Protestant faiths in Europe (and their U.S. counterparts) have viewed Genesis as metaphorical and--like the Catholic Church--have not seen a major contradiction between their faith and the work of Darwin and other scientists."

    A country that doesn't believe in evolution doesn't respect rational thought or the scientific process. It can't produce the scientists and leaders it needs to face the problems of the 21st Century.

    This is even a national security problem, since a nation that won't face and study reality can't defend itself. It situation should be of concern to every American

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  19. Anonymous12:32 PM

    This is what redneck comedianss call, "STUCK ON STUPID".

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  20. Anonymous12:35 PM

    I don't know about you guys, but in addition to making me angry because of this national stupidity, I am downright embarrased.

    It's humiliating to go from a country that all the world stood in awe of, for our intelligence and advancements in every scholarly area of study, to looking like a bunch of backwoods inbred, homeschooled stump preachers.


    It's humiliating.

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  21. Worf,

    Yea, I read two years ago that the percentage of Americans who believe that God created the universe 6,000 years ago had actually gone up over the past twenty years, which means not only were more people BORN stupid, but more people BECAME stupid...

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  22. Worf,

    You ever been outside the US?

    This is the least of our problems, in terms of perception.

    Look at how "many" people knew where Iraq even was, just days before we invaded the country.

    Even 49% of them couldn't find NEW JERSEY on a frikkin' map.

    Even when other nations and people dumb it down for Americans, we can't keep up. I've spent days trying to extricate America's reputation in bars all over Europe...I was thinking of asking for a State Department grant, but I didn't think they'd agree to the single malt clause...when my case gets shut down by, "You know, we go out of our way to learn YOUR language, so that when YOU PEOPLE are here, you can insult us properly!"

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  23. Actually, Worf, you know, we need a draft just to force more kids to get a college degree... :-D

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  24. Carl said "Worf,

    Yea, I see your point, and you'd think that would make sense, so you have to wonder why they're taking it this far?

    I guess now they have their backs up against it."

    No Carl, what it is, is the Reich Wing is crapping their pants because they KNOW Al Gore beat them when they were at their peak and at the top of their game and now that they are just a shadow of what they once were they know Gore can beat anyone they can crap out so they are mobilizing all the talking points to discredit him.

    They think if they can discredit global warming they can discredit Gore.

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  25. Anonymous12:42 PM

    Carl said


    ...I was thinking of asking for a State Department grant, but I didn't think they'd agree to the single malt clause


    LMAO

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  26. Anonymous12:42 PM

    Carl said...

    Actually, Worf, you know, we need a draft just to force more kids to get a college degree... :-D


    Thats a good point.

    The army will make them smarter.

    Smarter is good.

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  27. Anonymous12:44 PM

    Evolution is not a "theory" in the way that fundamentalists claim.

    It's verified scientific fact, developed through a rigorous method of observation, hypothesis, and confirmation.

    Some people believe things that science can't prove. Others believe things that science has disproved.

    They can do that, but they should be prepared to be challenged in an open society.

    (That's particularly true if there's an extensive scientific record demonstrating that a belief - say, that the earth was created 6,000 years ago - is false.)

    As has been said often in the political debate: "You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

    A secular society must rigorously teach facts to its children, so that it can have an educated workforce and contribute to scientific advancement.


    RJ Eskow
    HuffingtonPost.com

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  28. Carl said "Actually, Worf, you know, we need a draft just to force more kids to get a college degree... :-D "

    Not according to Troll Tex, him and Hannity claimed that 98% of those in the military and 75% of our entire nation or 225 million Americans have college degrees.

    We must be leading the world if you believe TT, man those college campuses must be packed.

    And these fools think we should believe them about global warming or the war after EVERYTHING they ever say is a lie or dead wrong.

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  29. Worf,

    That whole Al Gore thing ties in neatly to the discussion of the Idiocing of America: here you have one of the most intelligent, responsible and respected men in the country running for president, and because he can't make a case for himself that people can digest in small chunks, he's in a tight election with a numbnuts Republican ne'er-do-well who by all rights shouldn't even have won Governor, but that he ran in the stupidest...pardon me, SECOND STUPIDEST...state in the union.

    So because people couldn't follow an intelligent, intellectual argument, they assumed he was a) lying, and b) saying nothing of import.

    He should have walked away with the election. He was the best qualified Presidential candidate since Bush the Elder (which didn't make him the best President, but a damn sight better than what came in 2000, to be sure), and likely would have taken charge on September 11, rather than cede the country to wild-eyed zealots.

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  30. Anonymous12:49 PM

    We need to get back to a seperation of church and state.

    We need to stop electing religious figures whose intention is to merge THEIR religion with the workings of the state.

    Just passing one law, (Like Bush's "Faith Based Inititives) takes us down a slippery slope that is damned to failure of our democracy.

    Guys like Volt and FF and TalllTexan like to point out our country was founded by religious men, but he fact is most of them worked to keep religion out of the government. And besides, just cause some of them didn't, doesn't mean we have to do it now.

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  31. Anonymous12:51 PM

    Mike said...

    Not according to Troll Tex, him and Hannity claimed that 98% of those in the military and 75% of our entire nation or 225 million Americans have college degrees.


    He never did own up to that ridiculous figure, did he?


    Oh well.

    Just add that to the list.

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  32. Not according to Troll Tex, him and Hannity claimed that 98% of those in the military and 75% of our entire nation or 225 million Americans have college degrees.


    I don't know the exact figures of course, but it wouldn't surprise to find out that our ratio of college graduates in the military is high.

    The Army recruitment programs of the 80s & 90s stressed the college tuition benefits and signing bonuses. It wouldn't surprise me to find out many people took full advantage of these.

    But then again, my father could pass out of Texas A&M, and he's 90, deaf, and senile. And in a wheelchair.

    The Census Department says:

    High School Graduation Rates Reach All-Time High;
    Non-Hispanic White and Black Graduates at Record Levels


    Last year, 85 percent of adults age 25 and over had completed at least high school, an all-time high, the U.S. Census Bureau reported today. Also in 2003, 27 percent of adults age 25 and over had a college degree, another record.

    That's a far cry from Hannity's number, in fact, it's nearly a flip.

    Maybe, you know, Sean confused high school with college, since he had such a hard time graduating vocational school?

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  33. Anonymous12:54 PM

    Carl said...

    So because people couldn't follow an intelligent, intellectual argument, they assumed he was a) lying, and b) saying nothing of import.

    Dude, where was this comment a few days ago?

    This is EXACTLY what my artilce was about Carl.

    If you get a chance, please watch the movie "IDIOCRACY".

    One of the main points in the movie, is how STUPID people, call SMART people, "GAY", just because they sound "weird" to them, because they can't understand or don't want to understand what they're saying.

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  34. Carl Said:

    Actually you know Worf we need a draft...

    We do need a draft for one day and send the Bush Twins and Karl Rove's son Andrew to quick training like our troops get, then to the front lines of Iraq.

    If Bush and Rove are so certain about this war, then let them put their little darlings up.

    That will end the war.

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  35. Anonymous12:56 PM

    How about an ammendment to the Constitution Larry, that says any President who wants to start an "offensive" war, must enroll his own children, and the children of his entire cabinet, into the armed services?

    Wonder if they'd have been so "gung ho" then?

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  36. I posted the statistics Carl, off the top of my head, I think it was like 25% for enlisted men and like 70% for officers if I remember right.

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  37. That is fine Worf, with one addition, their children must go to the front lines, not laying up on a Colorado air base skying.

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  38. Anonymous1:01 PM

    Larry said...
    That is fine Worf, with one addition, their children must go to the front lines, not laying up on a Colorado air base skying.


    Done.


    All those in favor, give us a yea.


    The distinguished blogger from Virginia says YEA.

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  39. Worf,

    Ironically, not many of the Founders were very religious at all.

    Indeed, the phrase at the end of the Declaration "with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence" was added at the last minute when they realized nowhere in the document had they made reference to God, a major faux pas in a nation that was Anglican and therefore recognized the King as a divinity, which was trying to divorce ties to that king and place them elsewhere.

    And of course, many of the more prominent Founding Fathers were vocal about their opposition to organized religion (anti-church). Some of them often related their anti-organized church leanings in their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson's Bible"), Benjamin Franklin, James Madison, Ethan Allen, and Thomas Paine.

    Right. Very religious folks these, especially as all those listed here were Freemasons, which had strong ties to former Christian sects (such as the Templars) that had turned their backs on religion in favor of Deism. The BEST you could say about the Founders is they had some spirituality.

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  40. BLOG CZAR WORFEUS said...
    Carl said...
    Dude, where was this comment a few days ago?


    Worf,

    I dunno, I just write this shit off the top of my head then go check my facts before posting.

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  41. Anonymous1:08 PM

    That comment was exactly on the mark for my article.

    The fact is, people like the little trolls (who seem to have finally realized that they are outmatched) are busy "DUMBING DOWN" society, with inbred and what I think are illegal tactics, like teaching creationism in our public schools.

    Its like they want us to be stupid.

    The good news is, while our kids are out getting jobs, and doing things with thier lives, theirs will be sucking off the public teat, because no one wants to hire them for anything other than flipping burgers.

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  42. As long as the Blog Czar is in agreement, nothing else matters.

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  43. Anonymous1:10 PM

    Very well Larry.

    So let it be written.


    So let it be done.

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  44. Carl, I have to look into that. Sorry I don't know if Lt. Watada is the same soldier being recalled to the theatre.

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  45. Worfeus said:

    Now why would they lock this clearly valuable and good young man, just for objecting to a war that 75 percent of the American people object to?

    Why not just give him some alternative duty?

    Why not send him to Afghanistan?

    We need good men there, and that war is after Al Quaida, who did attack us.

    Why not send him to Germany, or keep him stateside in some important role?

    Does the military really think this excellent man needs to be sitting in prison?

    Prison is for dangerous criminals.

    Not decent, good, successful people.

    This is a crime.

    GREAT POST!!!!

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  46. Personally, I admire the feudal system for one thing: the guys who had the most to defend went out and did the defending at the front lines.

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  47. Worf,

    Say, where are the trolls? I was looking forward to kicking Dusty Springfield around today...I mean, I'd settle for Gaydalf, or Texasshole, but for me, Dusty was fresh meat. I had some new material I wanted to try out on him before I take it on a stage...

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  48. Lydia,

    Thanks, but Clif set me straight on Watada. He's not the same guy.

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  49. Carl said "Worf,

    Say, where are the trolls? I was looking forward to kicking Dusty Springfield around today...I mean, I'd settle for Gaydalf, or Texasshole, but for me, Dusty was fresh meat. I had some new material I wanted to try out on him before I take it on a stage..."

    Their plotting and getting new talking points from their masters!

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  50. Anonymous1:26 PM

    Thanks Lydia.

    I really think that we have an upside down society when we send the best and the brightest to prison for demonstrating a moral courage, even if it does not happen to be in line with what the higher ups think.

    Moral courage, character, his service to his country. This young man is not a street gang member.

    He's not someone who makes his living off of vices like Crusty Shacklefraud (oh yea, he lives in his moms basement).

    He's not some leach off society.

    He is obviously a well disciplined, highly educated person of high moral character.

    What benefit to society is imprisoning such a man?

    I see none.

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  51. Anonymous1:28 PM

    Carl said...
    Worf,

    Say, where are the trolls?


    I think they've finally given up, realizing they are outmatched.

    Crusty Rusty gave up, because he knew I was onto his bullshit story about working for a casino.

    He is probably just some little prick sitting in his moms basement, talking tough but having nothing to back it up with.

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  52. Worf said "I really think that we have an upside down society when we send the best and the brightest to prison for demonstrating a moral courage, even if it does not happen to be in line with what the higher ups think.

    Moral courage, character, his service to his country. This young man is not a street gang member."

    Worf I think its a repug thing, they are all authoritarians that demand blind and unquestioning loyalty to authority and to each other.

    Anyone one who is a free thinker or stands up for what they believe in and/or know is right is dangerous to their robotic type of blind loyalty and must be made an example of.

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  53. Mike said...
    Their plotting and getting new talking points from their masters!


    Oh? The Inane-o-Tron 3000 broke?

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  54. BLOG CZAR WORFEUS said...
    Thanks Lydia.

    I really think that we have an upside down society when we send the best and the brightest to prison for demonstrating a moral courage, even if it does not happen to be in line with what the higher ups think.


    I think it's a mark of a great society that people can think and have moral courage. I don't agree that Watada should go to jail, of course not, but our greatest fights in history, the ones that had meaning to our country, started with someone sitting in a jail, sometimes someoneS.

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  55. Worf,

    Is that why Dusty Springfield always showed up after school was over?

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  56. Carl said "I think it's a mark of a great society that people can think and have moral courage. I don't agree that Watada should go to jail, of course not, but our greatest fights in history, the ones that had meaning to our country, started with someone sitting in a jail, sometimes someoneS."

    Exactly right, many of the lawsin the Patriot act or other laws passed in the middle of the night wont be challened until something brings the issue to a head, open ended laws to seize power basedon fear dont get passed by accident, Hitler did the exact same thing slowly changing many laws, he didnt actually use these laws or new found powers for years so asnot to alarm any one or arouse suspicion.

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  57. Rusty and his "special friend" are waiting in line at Walgreens.

    There is a huge buy 10 get 10 free sale on clearasil.

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  58. Anonymous1:52 PM

    Carl said...
    Worf,

    Is that why Dusty Springfield always showed up after school was over?


    I think so.

    And I'm being serious here.


    Whenever I said anything against crusty rusty, he always went off on me, and everyone else.

    But yesterday, when I purported that he does not work in Vegas, which is evidenced by his being unwilling to walk over and see Lydia at the Riveria, or Mike for that instance, even though he's known each time she was there well in advance, PROVES he doesn't live or work in Vegas.

    After all, he's the one who kept threatening to come over to one of her shows, but when she advertises openly that she's going to be there, old crusty shackleturd is no where to be found.

    Why?

    Cause he does't live in Vegas, and he doesn't work in Vegas. In fact, I doubt he works.

    My money is on his moms basement.

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  59. Anonymous1:54 PM

    Suddenly the little brute had NOTHING to say.

    Instead, he sent in some friend, (his blogger profile was completely different than Rusty's) calling himself Crusty, to try and divert from my calling him out on his bullshit Vegas career.

    He just clammed right up.

    Which is more telling than anything.

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  60. Larry said...
    Rusty and his "special friend" are waiting in line at Walgreens.

    There is a huge buy 10 get 10 free sale on clearasil.


    Oh? Cuz my flyer said "K-Y"...

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  61. Anonymous1:56 PM

    He sure talked tough, but when Mike openly went out there to see Lydia, and announced publically that he'd be there, big bad Crusty Shackleturd was NO WHERE to be seen.

    He's clearly nothing but a little punk with a big fat mouth.

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  62. I think Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty should agree to meet Mike on Las Vegas Boulevard in front of the Mirage, for a fight we all can see.

    If Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty really lives there, he shouldn't have any problem fighting on the strip.

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  63. Anonymous1:57 PM

    Carl said....

    Oh? Cuz my flyer said "K-Y"...

    That too.

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  64. Anonymous1:59 PM

    Larry said...
    I think Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty should agree to meet Mike on Las Vegas Boulevard in front of the Mirage, for a fight we all can see.

    If Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty really lives there, he shouldn't have any problem fighting on the strip.


    Lol.

    That will never happen.

    Cause Mike would go to jail for beating up a minor.

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  65. Jeez, these trolls...nothing more original than "Rusty/cRusty"???

    Wow. We're not even getting the B list reichwingers in this place...

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  66. BLOG CZAR WORFEUS said...
    Cause Mike would go to jail for beating up a minor.


    Yea, but in Vegas...

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  67. Mike would be in a fair fight. After all there are 5 of them and only one Mike.

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  68. Anonymous2:02 PM

    Of course, Rusty doesn't live in Vegas. Nor does he work there.

    It was all a lie.

    A lie dreamed up by a little boy, with a big fat mouth.

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  69. Dennis Kucinich may have just earned my vote in the primaries:

    Over the weekend, the National Conference for Media Reform was held in Memphis, TN, with a number of notable speakers on hand for the event. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) made an surprise appearance at the convention to announce that he would be heading up a new House subcommittee which will focus on issues surrounding the Federal Communications Commission.

    The Presidential candidate said that the committee would be holding "hearings to push media reform right at the center of Washington.” The Domestic Policy Subcommittee of the House Government Reform Committee was to be officially announced this week in Washington, D.C., but Kucinich opted to make the news public early.

    In addition to media ownership, the committee is expected to focus its attention on issues such as net neutrality and major telecommunications mergers. Also in consideration is the "Fairness Doctrine," which required broadcasters to present controversial topics in a fair and honest manner. It was enforced until it was eliminated in 1987.

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  70. Anonymous2:03 PM

    Remember when they thought they were in control of this blog?

    Remember when they cackled with glee everytime one of us got locked out?

    Remember when they tried to run the threads with liberal bashing?


    Not so tough now, are they?

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  71. Anonymous2:04 PM

    I told them, in the end, we'd win.


    Good always triumphs over evil.

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  72. Anonymous2:05 PM

    Carl said...

    Dennis Kucinich may have just earned my vote in the primaries:


    I like Dennis, but he doesn't have a prayer.

    Unfortunately he's just too short, and Americans won't vote for a little skinny short president I don't think. Even if he is smarter than any candidate out there.

    Besides, he kinda sealed his fate last night, by singing "16 TONS" on camera.

    That ones gonna haunt him forever.

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  73. Larry said...
    Mike would be in a fair fight. After all there are 5 of them and only one Mike.


    I've heard of toe socks, but finger socks?

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  74. Yea, but a candidacy like his just needs a hot issue and he can change the platform.

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  75. Anonymous2:13 PM

    I think he's great. If he had a chance, I'd vote for him.

    He is the smartest player on the field.

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  76. Anonymous2:14 PM

    If the reich wing puts up that bloated bag of hot air, Duncan Hunter, then we could probably win with anyone.

    America is not going to vote for a big sack of crap like Duncan Hunter.

    They've had enough of the Nazi party.

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  77. Man, is there ANY better song to end a rainy Thursday with than AC/DC "Back In Black"?

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  78. Carl said "Man, is there ANY better song to end a rainy Thursday with than AC/DC "Back In Black"?"

    I agree Carl, that, For Those About To Rock, TNT and Dirty Deeds are my alltime Favorite ACDC songs.

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  79. Duncan Hunter sounds like he should be a small part in a kiddie porn film.

    What district is he from again? Isn't like Orange County?

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  80. On a crappy day like this, AC/DC kicks the jams out, and gets me ready to face the masses of unwashed in the train.

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  81. Mike 100% of officers have a Bachelor Degree, it is a requirement of getting a commission as an officer..and most sergeants have an associates degree, because it is very encouraged, and gets them promotion points..as you get promoted you are expected to get more education, must Lt Col's have the equivalent of a masters if NOT a formal masters degree. The Military is very pro education, and pushes it all the time as a way to get advancements, they even send the better captains and majors to get their masters degrees on Military pay.

    Most privates are still just high school graduates but now 25% are allowed not to be even that.

    Bush's ignorance and bullheadedness is destroying the military in ways that might not show up for a few years....

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  82. I can't believe Mike is on here when he knows Rusty/Crusty/Musty/Dusty/Lusty will be getting their clearasil soon and be getting online.

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  83. Crusty is a punk, and crusty-2 is his bitch.....

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  84. Clif, I wasnt slamming the military, just slamming TT and the other repug trollslackof accurate facts.

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  85. He's proly a college repugnant pimple faced foole Tiny the Liar pays beer money to post here.

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  86. So I guess, Clif, that Hannity thinks there's a one-to-three ratio of soldiers to officers, since he thinks the military has a 75% college graduate percentage? :-D

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  87. I can't wait till Mike fights
    Rusty/Musty/Crusty/Dusty/Lusty on the Vegas strip.

    The MGM has never had such excitement.

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  88. I know that Mike, but Gaydalf would know the same facts I did, so If I posted it first you'd know what the rules the military works by.

    Oh wait he only did weekends in some hospital, he knows NOTHING about active duty at all...........LOL

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  89. There was that two weeks in the summer when he actually had to sleep in the tent a night or two....

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  90. Bet gaydalf even got "dirty" on those two weeks...

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  91. These trolls wouldnt know a fact if it bit them on the ass.

    For Example:

    1) Crusty claimed interest rates are at 30-40 year lows when they have risen over 500%

    2) TT claimed that 98% of the military and 75% of Americans or 225 million Americans have college degrees.

    3) The Foole lied and tried to give Reagan credit for appointing Paul Volker and breaking the back of inflation when it was Jimmy Carter that Appointed Volker.

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  92. Clif has seen more action in boot camp than Musty/Rusty/Dusty/Lusty/Crusty have seen in all their GI Joe days.

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  93. Hell, Gaydalf lied and tried to say Kennedy got the US involved in Vietnam when all he was doing was continuing Eisenhower's policy thought up by the Dulles brothers and Nixon as VP pushed for the US's involvement both with the french and after the french loss at Dien Ben Phu, the US to take over fighting against Ho Chi Mihn, including sending Edward Landsdale into Hanoi to sabotage the North's Capital in 1954-1958, and the US government refusal to abide by the Geneva accords of 1954 which would have totally prevented our illegal war in Vietnam.

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  94. Gaydalf is just a wee bit factually challenged ..... and dumb as a box or rocks to boot.....

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  95. with out the US Government violating the Geneva accords to prevent a democratic election in 1956 in Vietnam there would have been NO south and NO war, but Nixon and the Dulles brothers thought they had the right to interfere with the internal affairs of that country ... too bad they screwed up in the 1950's almost as bad as Bush has today.....

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  96. There are MANY more parallels between Vietnam and Iraq than people realize....

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  97. Larry said...
    I think Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty should agree to meet Mike on Las Vegas Boulevard in front of the Mirage, for a fight we all can see.

    If Dusty/Crusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty really lives there, he shouldn't have any problem fighting on the strip.

    Worf said:

    Lol.

    That will never happen.

    Cause Mike would go to jail for beating up a minor.

    THIS IS PRETTY FUNNY.

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  98. Over throwing Governments when we did not like then setting elections so the candidates we like "win", forcing the people of the country to accept OUR version of their country .... all which both the Dulles brothers and Nixon did in the 1950's and bush has done in Iraq.

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  99. Anonymous2:46 PM

    Carl said...

    What district is he from again? Isn't like Orange County?


    I'm not sure. Whatever district the 52nd district is in California.

    How he gets elected out in California, a predominately liberal state, is a tribute to the Diebold machines.

    He represents the far right neocon positions on most everything.

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  100. They only trouble, we did not need to worry about the rest of south East Asia to explode for our Hubris and incompetence, like Bush ET Al has to worry about South West Asia today

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  101. Worfeus Orange County is a backwards foreign country in the middle of the modern State of California, they are the repugnant throw back to Nixon and Reagan

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  102. Anonymous2:49 PM

    Lydia said...

    THIS IS PRETTY FUNNY

    Ya liked that did ya?

    Lol.


    Well, after a year of threatening to beat anyone up who came to Vegas, and then not even bothering to "walk over" from his so called "casino", when you and Mike were there, I think we can safely label old Crustyshorts Shacklefraud, just another right wing big mouthed chickenhawk.

    All bark and no bite.

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  103. Anonymous2:51 PM

    clif said...

    Worfeus Orange County is a backwards foreign country in the middle of the modern State of California, they are the repugnant throw back to Nixon and Reagan


    Maybe its something in the water ?

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  104. Better watch it Blog Czar,

    Lusty/Rusty/Crusty/Musty/Dusty may challenge you in the middle of Caesars Palace.

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  105. This ONE has to BURN Bush...

    Fox Poll: More Americans Dislike Bush Than ... Cheney!

    This has to be a milestone: A new poll has found that the American people dislike President Bush more than they dislike ... Dick Cheney. The poll — by Fox News, of all people — finds that President Bush's unfavorable rating is 58%, while Cheney's unpopularity rating is five points lower at 53%. Bush can, however, still take some small solace from the fact that his approval rating is one point higher than Cheney's; the President's is 38%, while the VP's is 37%.

    Meanwhile, here are a couple of other numbers that are striking for a Fox poll: Only 39% of Americans view the GOP favorably, and 49% view them unfavorably. Meanwhile, a majority of respondents — 51% — have a favorable view of Dems, compared to only 35% who have an unfavorable view of what Fox likes to call the "Democrat Party."

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  106. Anonymous2:55 PM

    Larry said...
    Better watch it Blog Czar,

    Lusty/Rusty/Crusty/Musty/Dusty may challenge you in the middle of Caesars Palace.



    Naaahhh.

    I think old shacklefrauds days of "challenging" people have ended.

    Now I imagine he's too busy wiping his hard drive, and peeking out the window to see who's there.

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  107. Anonymous2:55 PM

    You know, Freedom Fan loves Gandalf the White.

    Wonder if he drives a "white van"?

    Just curious.

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  108. OUCH, especially when it is FROM Fox itself.....

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  109. Anonymous2:56 PM

    Yea, something tells me those two are busy trying to figure out their next move.

    As always, a day late, and a dollar short.

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  110. Richard Clarke is on Hardball talking about his new book Blog Czar.

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  111. Wow Cheney's approval rating has almost doubled just for keeping his mouth shut and sitting in the corner with a pointy duncecap on like the Foole.

    Maybe if they convict him of war crimes and lock him up for life his approval rating can double again.

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  112. Anonymous3:00 PM

    Clarke was on Colbert last night.

    Clarke is the real thing.

    He has 3 things that NO ONE in the REICH WING have.

    Competence.

    Expertise.

    Intelligence.

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  113. Worfeus rusty is gutless like the rest of the trolls he is too scared to post here NOW..he has been outed as a fraud, and can't accept he is as stupid as he has been shown to be.....

    The little punk is too scared to post here anymore.

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  114. Anonymous3:01 PM

    Bush and his cronies just nominate people favorable to their positions, regardless of their qualifications or capbilities.

    They appoint undereducated simpletons to the highest roles in government, and we the people, pay the price.

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  115. Anonymous3:02 PM

    clif said...

    The little punk is too scared to post here anymore


    Thank God for small favors....

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  116. poor poor crusty the first is just a lying yellow bellied punk, and has neither the gonads to post or tell the truth.

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  117. And crusty-2 is kept on a leash by crusty the first,

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  118. Crusty/Dusty/Rusty/Musty/Lusty will be on here as soon as he/she/it gets the clearasil spread on his/hers/its face.

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  119. Bet they all wonder why the world crashed down around their gutless heads since last summer.

    Well welcome to KARMA boys .... she has a way of giving you what you deserve ....... enjoy.

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  120. You guys aren't giving Lusty/Rusty/Crusty/Musty/Dusty the benefit of the doubt.

    I am still believing that he/she/it will fight Mike on the Vegas strip.

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  121. Hell the repugs here are turning on Bush and Maliki is blaming Bush ET Al for , get this.. not providing enough for ther Iraqi army to fight properly with, so Maliki is blaming Bush for aiding the insurgents by under supplying the Iraqi military.

    Damn that man learned fast from KKKarl....

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  122. I wonder how much it costs rusty to travel TO Las Vegas?

    After all he can't peddle his widdle tricycle that far....

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  123. Maybe Lusty/Crusty/Rusty/Dusty/Musty are fighting themselves like the Republicans are doing with all their infighting.

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  124. Larry that would be one schizophrenic fight that I would pay to see, crusty punching rusty in the face while staring into a mirror and hitting his OWN head.....

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  125. If they are morphodites then anything is possible.

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  126. Twiggy Coulter is on Huffingtonpost comparing the mess in Baghdad to Los Angeles.

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  127. Anonymous3:33 PM

    Larry said...

    I am still believing that he/she/it will fight Mike on the Vegas strip.


    Assuming his mom will let him take a bus trip that far.

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  128. Anonymous3:34 PM

    Larry said...

    Twiggy Coulter is on Huffingtonpost comparing the mess in Baghdad to Los Angeles


    What? They're letting Coulterfrau on Huffpost?

    Too bad I got banned.

    I'd love to tell her to go F herself.

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  129. This might be why crusty 1 and crusty 2 and the rest of the trolls are scarce today.

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  130. Huffingtonpost just has a clip of Coulter talking comparing Baghdad to LA.

    I doubt she would ever be on there.

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  131. Larry, please I am eating Dinner, did YOU have to bring up Anny Tranny right now?

    Well considering that lying fraud, there is NO good time to bring her ugly puss up ever......

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  132. Anonymous3:42 PM

    Hearsay, some coerced testimony OK

    The Associated PressPublished: January 18, 2007
    WASHINGTON:

    The Defense Department's rules for upcoming detainee trials would allow terrorism suspects to be convicted and perhaps executed using hearsay evidence and some coerced testimony.

    The rules are fair, said the department, which released them Thursday in a manual for the expected trials.

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  133. Anonymous3:42 PM

    This is what these PEICES OF SHIT call democracy???

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  134. Anonymous3:44 PM

    This is firm evidence, that the REAL enemy to America is peices of shit reich wing traitors.

    They sell out all that is good in us for their COWARDICE.

    May they all rot in hell.

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  135. BTW did YOU all see how fast St John McCain is falling in the polls now that he has attached himself to Bush and his insane Iraq strategy?

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  136. Anonymous3:49 PM

    Yea, well the chances of a republican getting elected to anything higher than dog catcher is going to be slim for a long time to come anyway.

    Whoever they end up supporting I doubt they'll garner a 3rd of the vote.

    Americans are not NAZI PIGS.

    NEOCONS ARE.

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  137. Anonymous3:49 PM

    "As a general matter, hearsay shall be admitted on the same terms as any evidence," the manual states.


    F#$$#K EM.

    I hope they all burn in hell.

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  138. Anonymous3:52 PM

    From Thinkprogress.org


    In today’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow argued that the “picture” in Iraq “constantly changes,” and that while the future looks bleak now, a year ago “Democrats and Republicans both coming back from the region saying, you know, we think things are going okay.” He added that no one anticipated the “eruption of sectarian violence.”


    The only people who are capable of believing that are INBRED reich wing idiots.

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  139. Worfeus, hearsay is evidence to these clowns, Look at Gaydalf STUPID posts for example, he is nothing but a gutless draft dodger who spews half truths based on hearsay and generalizations, he couldn't win a debate with a third grader based on the FACTS.....

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  140. Hell the little punk RAN from Vietnam and runs from a real debate to the pink pajama circle jerk blog........LOL

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  141. I guess gaydalf is trying to figger out how to discredit bernanke after all the FACTS bernanke gave away this afternoon, like tax cuts do not pay for them selves, or the laffer curve is not accurate at lower tax rates like 35-39% which Bill Clinton used...must suck to be outed as a Foole by the chairman of the Fed.........................LOL

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  142. Bet Gaydalf is searching his old biology texts for something to fling out as a fact to discredit Bernanke.....

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  143. Maybe he can remember what he learned as he was defending the ROTC parade ground from the VC way backj when Gaydalf pretended to be a big war hero......

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  144. Anonymous4:23 PM

    Maybe the Pentagon should just quit playing around and go ahead and replace their so called "Manual" with the Malleus Maleficarum.

    They could just "excercise" confessions out of the prisoners.

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  145. Trust me on this one Worfeus, with all the parades, and dog and pony shows the military demands by regulation, they could never replace something which is arcane and ignorant with the simple way they are going to do it..

    Rommel said the reason the Americans were so hard to fight is because we ignored our own rules and regulations when we went into battle and sort of winged it as we went along, Bush is just winging it poorly and using illegal immoral short cuts instead of the ones that would really work, like letting the Iraqi neighbors send in Arabic speaking troops top settle down the insurgency and civil strife in that country.

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  146. Chicken Hawks always seem to think they know MORE than people who have been there, remember crusty's STUPID rants against Shinseki, damn HE must feel STUPID now that Bush said he was an Idiot and Shinseki was right all along.....LOL

    Crusty the Clown definitely describes him and all his sock puppet alter-egos

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  147. That PUNK was so big and bad, but one slap down by the Idiot in Chief and he runs away to pout.

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  148. Crusty would piss himself if he ever had to sign up and deploy the gutless punk he is.

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  149. Hell he probably does that when he thinks about it ... like he does when he is trying to think up NEW lies to post here .... he is such a widdle punk.

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  150. Former counter-terrorism chief for Clinton, Bush believes escalation only delays 'inevitable chaos'

    Richard Clarke, who served as counter-terrorism adviser for Presidents Clinton and Bush, slammed the current plan to escalate troops in Iraq as one that would only "delay the inevitable," during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday.

    "I think that the president's plan just delays the inevitable," Clarke said, adding that when the US troops finally do leave Iraq, even if it's years from now, "there's going to be chaos."

    "A lot of the people are fighting us just because we're there," Clarke believes.

    With President Bush's "new" surge strategy, the only thing that will happen, Clarke maintained, is that "more Americans get killed and more Ameircans get maimed."

    Clarke argued that there was a "vast middle ground," not talked about between escalation and withdrawal, and that more diplomacy and intelligence were needed.

    In 2004, Clarke published a book, Against All Enemies, which sharply criticized the Bush Administration on its record of fighting terrorism during the president's first year in office before the 9/11 attacks.

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  151. Anonymous5:17 PM

    clif said...
    Crusty would piss himself if he ever had to sign up and deploy


    Don't you kinda think he does that anyway?

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  152. Yes he is nothing but a widdle puny boy pretending to be something he is not and never was........

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  153. Olbermann is getting ready to tie into O'Reilly.

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  154. Anonymous5:47 PM

    Retired Generals Criticize Bush’s Plan for Iraq

    By JOHN HOLUSHA
    Published: January 18, 2007

    A panel of retired generals told a United States Senate committee today that sending 21,500 additional troops to Iraq will do little to solve the underlying political problems in the country.

    “Too little and too late,” is the way Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, a former chief of the Central Command, described the effort to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The additional troops are intended to help pacify Baghdad and a restive province, but General Hoar said American leaders had failed to understand the political forces at work in the country. “The solution is political, not military,” he said.

    “A fool’s errand,” was the judgment of Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, who commanded troops in the first Gulf War. He said other countries had concluded that the effort in Iraq was not succeeding, noting that “our allies are leaving us and will be gone by summer.”

    Describing the situation in Iraq as “desperate but not terminal,” he said Iraqis had to try to make political deals domestically and negotiate for stability with neighboring nations, particularly Syria and Iran.

    The American effort in Iraq has gone badly because the United States did not understand the consequences of deposing Saddam Hussein, said Lt. Gen. William E. Odom, a former director of the National Security Agency. He said the principal beneficiary of the war was Iran and Al Qaeda, not the United States.

    “There is no way to win a war that is not in your interests,” he said.

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  155. Karl Rove's son Andrew graduated from school in June 2006.

    The military has been having problems recruiting and they need people young Andrew's age.

    If the Bush/Rove war is so worhtwhile and winnable, then why doesn't Rove make his little boy Andrew go to the front lines?

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  156. Worfeus, they are JUST generals, what do they know about war that Bush and Cheney do not,

    oh right ... just about everything....

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  157. Bill O'Rally is trying to discredit Both the Daily Show and Colbert, because he can't keep up ...... and he does not understand them ...

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  158. Maybe O'Reilly doesn't like Colbert making him look bad.

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  159. Bernard Goldberg who used to do REAL news is crying because he is irrelevant today, why else would HE be slumming on O'Rally's show?

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  160. I'm not sure O'Rally gets Colbert at all ....

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  161. Anonymous5:59 PM

    I heard about this site from another blogger and thought I would check it out.

    You guys are a real treat.

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  162. Bill O wants people held accountable for their actions...

    Hello Andrea Mankris anybody?

    What did Bill O and Fox Lies pay her to keep her quite?

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  163. Thanks for the compliment. I assume you are referring to our Blog Czar Worfeus.

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  164. If Scarborough keeps it up he won't be allowed to the next Republican convention.

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  165. Anonymous6:07 PM

    Why do you call him blog czar?

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  166. Aren't you guys getting sick of Buchanan?

    One show he hates Bush and the war, and now he loves the war and wants more.

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  167. Blog Czar was a limp attempt to attack Worfeus he just turned it on their heads and laughed at them using it... thus the widdle trolls ran away and HID like the widdle punks they are.....

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  168. Larry senility....remember how dumb Reagan sounded MOST of the time...Buchanan is entering Reagan depends era

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  169. Looks like the re-pubies are caught between an ignorant rock IE Bush..and a hard place to crack Iraq......guess they really wish they had asked better questions in 2002 and 2003, and the 4 years since....

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  170. Buchanan gets on Imus and blasts the war, he is on Lou Dobbs and blasts the war, lately since the "surge" he is in love with the war and wants more.

    Sounds like he wants another government job.

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  171. As they adjust to the 2006 election returns, Republicans recognize that this was no isolated bump in the road. The loss of 323 state legislative seats across the country to the Democrats classifies last year's election as a midrange electoral disaster.

    Robert Novak 18 Jan 2007 ...

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  172. One nationally prominent Republican pollster reported confidentially on Capitol Hill after the president's speech that if U.S. boots are still on the ground in Iraq and U.S. blood is still being spilled there at the end of the year, the GOP disaster in 2008 will eclipse 2006. Thus, many GOP members of Congress have tied their hopes to Bush's pledge that Iraqi forces will take over local security by September.

    Robert Novak 18 Jan 2007 ...

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  173. Anonymous6:18 PM

    Forgive me if I don't know as much as you guys but on the iddybudjournal blog some guy was attacking Jude because we don't demand President Bush withdraw the troops.
    Isn't that what everyone has been doing all along to no avail?

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  174. Looks like Novak is telling the re-pubies, Bush is the worst thing they have in regards to 2008 ...

    St John are YOU listening?

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  175. Novak is another hard liner that keeps changing his mind, just not as much as Buchanan.

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  176. Screaming at the Bush in Washington will bring the troops home no better than screaming at the bush in your yard, which one has the higher IQ is debatable also....

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  177. Larry novak is trying to warn the re-pubies that they are courting as big a disaster today as the combined fiascos of Vietnam and Watergate did to them in 1976, after their loss in 1974 ... he is old as dirt and remembers those dark hours for the re-pubie party......

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  178. Novak needs put out to pasture.The guy is in his late 70's and lives like it is the late 70's.

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  179. Anonymous6:32 PM

    Did anyone see on the evening news that Cheney had rejected an offer in 2003 from Iran to stabalize Iraq?

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  180. Well it is interesting the re-pubies that can not remember anything before Reagan refuse to acknowledge that they are not invincible, last years election should have exposed that weakness, but they ignore it and they refuse to accept the military realities of the dire situation in Iraq and Afghanistan, because they still hold stubborn to the America of their delusions .... to the detriment of the troops and Iraqi people ....

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  181. Yes Raw Story has it linked, and that has been around the tubes for a while but never openly acknowledged till now like it is ....

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  182. Its about time to drag out another Bin Laden video with a "terror threat" that of course must be translated by the Bush administration.

    No Holly I didn't see the news.

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  183. Anonymous6:39 PM

    Clif, I read your article about the attorney's on another blog and if that is true it is frightening.

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  184. The Fiasco in Iraq is beyond a bin laden video, that only works for an election cycle, and this time people DO NOT believe Bush or Cheney so they will really question the spin and disinformation much more, Rove realizes this so he will not play that tired old card when it will never work any more ...

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  185. Where is Mike?

    Did he go to the gym to begin an extended workout for his upcoming brawl in Vegas?

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  186. Well even the New York Times is reporting that now, and Arlen Spector was the slime that did Bush ET AL's bidding in that case

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  187. Anonymous6:42 PM

    Didn't they say the Iraq army caught Bin Ladens second in command a couple of weeks ago?

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  188. No, Bin Laden's second in cvommand is Iman al Zawari, who is hiding in some place near or with Bin Laden in the nether regions of Pakistan

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  189. Spector cried when he thought they would take away his chairmanship of the Judicial committee, so he kept it and now continues to carry Bush's bath water. (when he can get the pail from McCain)

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  190. But Bush ET AL constantly try the disinformation of confusing the insurgency in Iraq with al Quaeda.

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  191. Anonymous6:46 PM

    It appears to me they have captured or killed a number of Bin Ladens second in command.

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  192. Well Arlen lost HIS chairmanship anyway didn't he?

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  193. There is probably more Al Qaeda in New Jersey than there are in Iraq.

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  194. Somebody has a website that was keeping score, they have some where around 139 second in commands in Iraq killed or captured since 2003 according to the press accounts Central command and the pentagon have released...they think nobody is keeping track.

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  195. If they keep catching all those "second in commands" someday they will be able to move on to catching the no.3 guys.

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  196. Check out dolty boy's "blogs" they are down for maintainence, but the rest of blogger works JUST fine isn't that interesting?

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  197. Maybe he is setting it up so all his "special friends" can be his team members.

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    from dolts blog at THIS time....

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  199. and when I post about it here they suddenly work ... isn't that special.....

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  200. Clif said "But Bush ET AL constantly try the disinformation of confusing the insurgency in Iraq with al Quaeda."

    They've done this from day one, they have mislead the nation in a treasonous way.

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