Tuesday, May 22, 2012

ARE YOU CRAZY OR JUST A BIGOT?

First I have to tell you something my radio co-host Doug Basham said after he saw Katie Couric ask Sarah Palin about gay rights. Palin answered that one of her best friends is gay, and that her pal "made a choice that isn't a choice that I have made.” Basham said, “I wish Couric had asked Palin, 'Do you remember the exact moment you chose to become heterosexual?'"

My sister is gay, and she never made a choice, but that’s beside the point. The marriage contract is a private contract between two individuals. How does it hurt anyone to let two souls honor their monogamy by allowing them the sanctity and dignity of marriage, as other human beings have a right to? Isn’t this in the Bill of Rights? I am heartsick at the bigotry I see in America today. I can’t believe my sister may never have the same rights I have! And furthermore, according to Suze Orman — as it stands now, civil unions do not permit the transfer of a deceased person's estate to the partner. Next of "kin" is first in line.

After my Ann Coulter death threats and hate-mail settled down, one thing became clear: right-wing Christians are obsessed with the sexual immorality of others — to the exclusion of any other sin, including their own sins of pride and judgment — which by the way, were the only sins Jesus ever cared about or actually mentioned! Sexual immorality was not even on Christ’s radar, as was clear when the mob was stoning the prostitute: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

He did condemn divorce, but since divorce is rampant among evangelicals, no one ever sees them picketing courthouses to abolish divorce.

All this talk about Christ’s return and the "Rapture" misses the point entirely. I've prayed about this and been given a revelation of my own: when humans can love each other unconditionally — love their enemies and neighbors as themselves — then the so-called Rapture will happen. It will not be a big Broadway show; it will be a change in consciousness. This is the Second Coming. It will occur in the hearts of men.

The Ku Klux Klan also used the Bible to justify killing Blacks. Where are all the reasonable, sane people of faith who actually follow Christ’s teachings?

Maybe they don't realize that 'Christ' is the root of the word 'Christianity' because the vowel sounds are different! They often espouse the EXACT OPPOSITE of Christ’s teachings. If fundamentalists take the Bible literally, then why don’t they take Christ’s actual words literally?

There's a cartoon I saw shortly after the 2004 election: I can't remember the exact words, but two pot-bellied Rednecks are standing around drinking beer, happy with being red: "Well, my son lost his legs in Iraq, veteran benefits got cut, lost my pension plan to Enron, got laid-off down at the plant, they cancelled my health insurance, Bush vetoed stem cells which would have saved my daughter’s life from brain cancer -- BUT I'M SURE AS HELL GLAD THOSE TWO GAYS DOWN THE STREET CAN'T GET MARRIED!"

We’re a nation ruled by several opposing forces: the atheist, the optimist, the materialist — and of course, the idiot — that person inside all of us (or just fundamentalists and neocons) who choose to remain unconscious.

What is so strange is that modern-day fundamentalists often condone the death penalty quite casually, yet think fetal cells in a Petri dish are too sacred to be used for stem cell research in order to save lives! This seems highly immoral to me.

I can’t imagine what it must be like to be gay or lesbian in America today. There is a “Christian” group that has a website called "Godhatesfags.com" that displays an animated picture of Matthew Shepherd surrounded by flames, burning in hell. Shepherd was brutally murdered in Wyoming, the victim of a hate crime.

Instead of seeing the beauty and unique goodness of the gay person — his artistic gifts of design or dance, the sweetness of his spirit, his yearning to be accepted and to bury the agony of being bullied as a child or of being “born different" — the morally repulsed “Christian” chooses the easy way: hatred.

My son’s best friend and his brother are being raised by a gay male couple, who are scholars and wonderful parents. Both children are completely "straight" and have girlfriends already. The family considered moving to Canada out of fear. They are very afraid of the hateful Christian ruling elite in America. I can’t think of anything more un-Christlike than an intolerant “Christian.”

It saddens me that many in the religious right have taken their obsession with morality and their fear of Hollywood to such an extreme they've lost compassion for their fellow man. They have become homophobic, disdainful of the poor and cruel toward any human who does not meet their rigorous standards — while ignoring their own pride, the character flaw which annoyed Christ the most!

Intolerance is the easy way out, and many will go through this wide, broad gate. Very few will squeeze through the "narrow gate" of turning the other cheek and loving one's enemies. It's easy to judge others from a position of moral superiority; it's difficult to look kindly upon criminals, prisoners, "sinners." It's difficult to love "the other," as Christ commanded us to do. Most fundamentalist right-wing Christians these days refuse to look at their enemy as a whole human being. They are ruled by primitive fears that totally contradict Christ’s entire mission: to love one another for love casts out fear.

Some background: Just after the election in November 2005, I was so upset over the bizarre form of Christianity George Bush espoused in justifying his invasion of Iraq — and so appalled at Ann Coulter calling herself a Christian while engaging in "extermination speak" toward liberals — I wrote an article for BradBlog Death is Sexier than Sex to Ann Coulter I admit the title is provocative but I had no idea what I was getting into. My family and I received the most virulent hate mail and death threats from Ann Coulter fans because of this line in particular: "I never mix religion with politics, but for Christ's sake, don't they know that Jesus was a Democrat? A bleeding heard liberal!? (I think that was the line that annoyed them.

But maybe it was this one from the same article: The Great Peacemaker was the very essence of love and compassion; he was revolutionary in his softness and forbade vengeance of any kind. How the "Christian right" has twisted The Great Peacemaker's teachings is one of the riddles of our times. For years I’ve been bewildered to the point of jaw-gnashing agony at how fundamentalist Christians can call themselves Christian, when they do not follow the teachings of Christ! Are they reading the same bible I'm reading? I feel I’m going insane. How the Christian right has twisted Christ's peaceful message is one of the riddles of our times..."

There is such a hunger for a fresh, inclusive, non-fundamentalist Christianity — the kind Christ intended. Unless you are an alarmist, Premillenialist or Dominionist who believes in the end-times, the Rapture or the Apocalypse — you have no right to call yourself a Christian anymore. Where are all the reasonable, sane people of faith who actually follow Christ’s teachings? If fundamentalists take the Bible literally, then why don’t they take Christ’s actual words literally — instead of reading that tribulation porn known as the La Haye- Jenkins "Left Behind" books? It bears repeating: maybe they don't realize that Christ is the root of the word Christianity because the vowel sounds are different!


On the night of November 5 we saw at least nine helicopters circling over our city. We thought it was another SWAT team lock-down, which happens at times in our residential neighborhood. Two weeks ago the police put blockades up and wouldn't allow anyone to leave their homes because an armed robber was hiding in someone's back yard.

This time it was one of the biggest civil rights protest in years: the Proposition 8 Gay Marriage ban. Protestors were marching down Santa Monica to Wilshire in Beverly Hills — to the corner where Trader Vics used to be, inside Merv Griffin's Beverly Hilton.

Though we live on a tree-lined street far from the action, the kids climbed on the roof to see if they could catch a glimpse of some fighting. My youngest has a new BB gun (environmentally friendly) and thought he was in a video game "Resistance 2." I am excited to show my kids that actual protest marches are still happening these days — and that civil rights are something to fight for.

The core of Christ’s teaching is: ‘Love one another' and leave judgment and vengeance to God.”
In fact, the main thing he warned about was the self-righteous pride, arrogance and intolerance of the religious leaders (the pharisees) — because these meant “unkindness or lack of compassion.” These people were truly a destructive force in society for they cared more about style over substance — rituals, rules and dogma over the spirit of compassion or love.

But man’s big job on earth is to learn the law of love, the Golden Rule. To love the unlovable, no matter how disgusted, offended or persecuted one is by him. A soft answer turns away wrath. It's easy to be loving to those who are loving to you, but a true Christian must go much further and return love for hate.

Jesus was the Prince of Peace. His entire ministry was spent caring for the poor, the lepers (today’s Aids victims), the immoral "sinners", prostitutes, outcasts, prisoners and forgotten ones whom the religious leaders thought were too dirty to touch. By accepting them and with love and compassion — not by moralizing or ostracizing them — they became whole. No matter what our religious beliefs, it's our job as a society to care for the poor, the "least among us."

Oddly, Christian evangelicals threw out the whole of Christ’s teaching, in order to focus on the “frightening” sins of homosexuality and abortion, which Christ never once mentioned!

Get this: Ann Coulter gleefully promoted the death penalty, even for 4-year-old boy who killed his brother. “Once a child commits a crime like that, what are the odds that he could be redeemed in any event, no matter where he’s put?” It’s hard to comment on a quote like this. (Did you really say that Ann?)

Jesus himself didn’t judge others, he spoke gently in parables. He attracted people to him with his revolutionary softness, never by force, aggression. The crowd wanted to stone the adulterer, but Jesus’ heart was so big, he healed her of her “sin” and guilt simply by his love and acceptance. Everyone is redeemable (even William Ayers!) The divine idea that you win your enemies to your side by making them you friend, never by fighting them — actually works.

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A young girl of 14 was kicked out of her Christian school for having two lesbians as parents. These were the only parents the girl had ever known. The two women had been partners for 22 years and had 2 other children; they were a loving, stable Christian family, so utterly non-controversial that no one even knew they were “different.”

This cruel ostracism is in direct opposition to Christ’s teachings: to punish a child and take her away from her friends – because one doesn’t approve of her parents' genetic orientation — is not what Jesus would do. In fact, it is destructive to the child and morally reprehensible. I wonder what they do in the case of a divorced couple or a single mother who had a child out of wedlock. After pride, Jesus mentioned only one other sin: divorce. Jesus never once referred to homosexuality. But divorce was truly destructive to the child.

Letter to the School Principal

"The Bible has been used to justify slavery, inquisitions, apartheid and the subjugation of women. Just as slavery was condoned for centuries based on people's interpretation of the Bible, just as the Crusades were fought in the name of God, just as Christ was crucified because people misunderstood Him and misinterpreted the Scripture, so too the topic of homosexuality has been misunderstood. It is now time to raise a voice, an Angelic choir, and a national outcry against Christian intolerance that promotes condemnation, discrimination and hatred toward homosexuals.

Please explain how your actions differ from the Pharisees or Nazis? These two groups wanted to exclude others and wanted to exercise absolute power over others as well. They wanted to stone and gas those who they feared and were different, I guess you only what them removed. Well feel proud Mr. Stob, you are as benighted and in good company as Fred Phelps, and the pastor who resigned after he kicked people out of his church who did not vote Republican."


Looking more deeply into the school’s reasoning, it is clear they were motivated by fear — fear that other students would be tainted by the school’s validation of a lesbian couple. But why were they so afraid? Maybe she was expelled to protect a fundamentalist worldview that children of gays cannot grow up ‘straight or moral’. In this line of thinking, if fundamentalists’ children go to school with a normal, well-adjusted child of two lesbians — it will be difficult to brainwash the students that lesbians can’t raise a child well.

But all we’re dealing with is fear. The Bible says, “Perfect love casts out fear.” Fear itself is not from God, and good Christians should never make decisions based on fear (as in ‘preemptive strike’) because “Love casts out fear.” We should first look “to do no harm.” We should always try to do the kindest thing, the least hurtful thing.

More than any other virtue, Jesus pleaded with us to love one another. If you think you're supposed to go into the world and spread the Gospel without bringing the love required, then it's pointless. The entire message is about love. Love heals all wounds.

That doesn’t mean we are never to reprimand a violent or immoral act. But we are to “hate the sin and love the sinner.” The sin in this case is not the existence of the girl’s female parents. The sin is the behavior of the school board, who imagined a sinful lifestyle, and judged people who were just trying to get through the day. Life is hard enough without adding to each other’s suffering.

Jesus also did not say: “Blessed are the warmakers.” and “If you suspect someone is going to attack you, invade his country and bomb him back to the Stone Age.” These warmongering right-wingers are behaving in absolutely un-Christlike ways. They have corrupted Christianity and usurped it for their own militant, belligerent agenda.

We will never understand everything others do but taking away others' rights is not our business. Our business is to to embrace our differences, and “leave judgment and vengeance to God.”

Liberal-bashing radio hosts and pastors are committing moral crimes by telling their flock that it’s their patriotic duty to hate others whose beliefs and appearance are different. This resulted in the recent killings in the Unitarian Church in Tennessee. This is what many modern churches do: target people they disapprove of by selecting one or two sins they believe belong to that group, and make their lives a living hell. And they receive tax-free funds to do it!

Fighting and disapproving of one’s enemies” is not the Way; it is in direct opposition to Christ’s teachings. It’s too easy to hate, too mainstream; everyone can fit through this broad, wide gate.

But the narrow gate Jesus says we must pass through to attain union with God or Love, involves “loving our enemies”. It’s so simple, it’s hidden in plain sight, like an anagram: Look at the sentence above: “Since God is love, to attain union with God, we must LOVE!” This is simple, but not easy. It’s much easier to gossip, demonize liberals, exclude gays, and ostracize prisoners — who are most in need of redemption.

This is very difficult, especially if you equate your enemy as a homosexual, and you blame homosexuals or liberals for the evils of the world. Anger feels good. It feels good to be morally superior to others. Religious fundamentalists justify their judgment of gays by scouring the bible for one remote mention of homosexuality as a sin. This occurs in the New Testament by the Apostle Paul, long after Jesus died.

They cling to this, saying the sin of homosexuality (and abortion) is worse than any other sin, even murder. But why? Why do they fixate on sexual immorality? Because they themselves must be guilty of prurient sexual thoughts; puritans who are ashamed of human sexuality. I too am horrified by the increasingly pornographic world we live in, and especially the effect it has on our children. I want stricter Internet controls, and frankly, I wish porn wasn’t so available on the Internet at all.

But there is also a spiritual answer here. We are “fighting our enemies” by focusing so much on the lascivious aspects of our society, giving attention and power to this element. In fact, the solution is NOT giving evil so much attention. I know that when I focus on the good in others, the good increases.

The more one pushes something down, the more it rears its ugly head in inappropriate places; perversions appear. This explains why celibacy in priests acts like a pressure cooker, often resulting in crimes of molestation. Celibacy is unnatural; too much pent up desire perverts itself. Like Pandora’s box, whatever is taboo becomes irresistibly tempting. People will sneak out of their cages to experience the forbidden.

So the Puritan, guilt-ridden over his own uncontrollable urges, cannot live with himself. Unable to cut out his own filthy thoughts, he looks outside himself for someone to blame and project his guilt onto. The easiest way to ameliorate his shame is to broadcast the evil, project it onto others where he can see it – and lash at it with swords. This way he can feel morally superior and “religious”; it’s a quick fix. He investigates it, dwells on its dark side, inflates its evil effects until evil is all he sees. Hence the homosexual is no longer a human, but an object of disgust.

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As a culture we put so much emphasis on the body: on cellular substance of the fetus, the death and burial of a corpse, the saving of an unconscious sack of flesh that contains no life force or spirit, as in the case of Terry Shiavo. We are focused so exclusively on the letter, not the spirit; the style, not the substance; the right hat, not the heart, the ritual, not the meaning — and the flesh which can be wiped out so easily — that it must make me wonder: is flesh man’s most important quality?

At the risk of sounding like a crackpot, I have to say here that I no longer believe in the physical universe as being primary, or that important. In other words, the things I know are valuable and real are the things I can’t see with my eyes – the invisible qualities of love, truth, wisdom, soul, principle, thought, harmony, wisdom, compassion, beauty, strength and character – things that cannot be physically touched or scientifically proven.

As Emerson said: "this is a spiritual universe and thoughts rule the world."

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776 comments:

  1. To the best og my knowledge, nobody has suggested making gay marriage mandatory

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  2. To the best of my knowledge, neither have I.

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  3. Nor did I suggest anyone else had suggested it.

    :|

    Least to the best of my knowledge.

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  4. By the way MCH, where is all those comments of Wills where he supports Obama.

    After all, you said you had "researched" them and found he supported Obama.

    :|

    In all your "research" surely you found 3.

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  5. Many of these people also find intermarriage between races to be sinful. However, many of them do NOT find inbreeding to be that big a deal.

    Strange, strange "values," these Klanservatives have.

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  6. A Great Piece;

    "Irrelevant"

    and we here can add;

    crusty the clown,

    duncetron,

    freedum fraud,

    and of course

    widdle will the flip flopping fraud

    to that list ...............

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  7. Now there is change we all can believe in;


    New Hampshire Becomes First State Senate with Female Majority:

    History was made in New Hampshire on Tuesday as New Hampshire’s state senate became the first state legislative body in US history with a female majority. Thirteen of the state’s twenty-four senators are now women.

    Historic change and as a father with two daughters, change we need in this country where women are actually the true majority.

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  8. I think that I've been even-handed.

    translation;

    flip flopped as much as McCain did,

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  9. Will I have NEVER posted as nicholas, no matter how much YOU lie about it.

    It seems lying is one of your stocks in trade though.

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  10. LIAR, your just another fraud and have attacked everyone who doesn't goose-step along with you every time son.

    Like your attacks on Lydia when she NEVER did one thing to you ...........

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  11. You are a FRAUD

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  12. Just like Mook Mook used to be here.

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  13. BTW widdle will, by now you foole no one, but yourself as usual.

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  15. Don't let the door hit ya, where you pull your posts outa son.

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  16. Um will,

    it's spelled d-e-n-i-a-l,

    denile

    The next-best alternative when someone can't spell "denial".


    but then again why should a failed turn-key know how to spell.

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  17. P.S. Yeah, yeah, I know, Rusty and Voltron are setting you up.

    Nobody is setting me up moron, just making you look stupid son.

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  18. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    I went back about 3 months, Bartlebee. Here are some posts that you'll probably like; "Bolshevik Nation" (11/6, supports Obama), "A Fading Brand" (10/18, criticizes McCain), blah blah blah blah blah blah blah



    I didn't ask for your "opinion" on whether your comments supported Obama.

    I asked you to post 3 comments that supported Obama in the last 3 months.

    Just 3.

    And you still have not done that.

    Just a lot of talk, CLAIMING things for some reason you cannot seem to prove.

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  19. Considering you went to all the trouble to go through all those comments, IF they truly DID support Obama, you'd think you'd post them.

    Post 3, and then we'll all see your support for Barack Obama for President.

    :|

    Or you can just "claim" you did some more.

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  20. Sort of like Michelle Bachman, who a week after calling for investigations into Obama for "Anti-Americansim" now suddenly claims to have supported him.

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  21. How about all the posts where you trashed Lydia who never did anything to YOU will;

    Wanna explain those?

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  22. Bart I could care less if Will SAYS or even thinks he supports Obama or even if he actually voted for him Will is a slime ball troll that i have no respect fore he's Moo Moo.

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  23. Heres Wills latest post from Tuesday after obama won the presidency you tell me if it sounds supportive


    Will said "Tuesday, November 4, 2008
    Dotting the I, Crossing (Moving) the Muslim
    Barack Obama's most ardent supporters are always quick to point out that their candidate is a new breed of politician, that he goes about his business differently, less partisanly (post-partisan, I believe is the term that they use), etc.. And, yes, in many ways the guy truly has been a breath of fresh air (in an inspirational sense, at the very least). But, I'm also telling you, folks, so, too, have I seen some confounding evidence here/things that lead me to believe that, yes, he is in fact quite typical; his move to the center once he got the nomination, his decision not to go with public financing, stuff like that...................................................Of course, if you're bound and determined not to believe me/continue to think that this young man is a heroic figure, then what about this? Remember when Obama was about to give a speech, and his handlers saw those two Muslim women in scarves seated behind him, and how, before the speech got started/the television cameras started to roll, those two women were asked to move? Yeah?......................................................I mean, talk about acting out of PURE political expediency, accepting the roll of a typical politician, etc.. I think it was that that cued it for me, folks/led me to believe that Barack Obama is in fact quite typical, after all......................................................P.S. Not that this was a bad "strategic" move to make. This, I'm saying, in that it probably would have looked bad to have the candidate being in such a close proximity to Muslim looking individuals. My only beef is that it wasn't in any way a new/courageous way of dealing with the problem (not to imply that Muslim-Americans are necessarily/inherently a "problem", of course). That's all. "

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  24. Theres a difference between SAYING you support someone and actually doing so..........just like when Volt says "he's" not saying Obama is a muslum or a terrorist or anti american........but then says many others have said that and made the case and he does pal around with rev Wright and Bill Ayers and there are best selling books that make the case that he's a muslum and pals around with terrorists, and he's the most liberal in the Senate and supports Bush's FISA spying and socialism etc..... \blah .....blah blah.............thats the kind of crap Voltron and Will post

    I may believe Will isnt a Neo Con and didnt support the war........but he is a troll and NO supporter of Obama would be bringing up things like that when a new president is just elected in a time of national crisis if they truly supported that person and had an open mind.............many staunch repugs sounded more supportive and magnasnimous than Will the troll.

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  25. Typical will,

    blaming Barack Obama for what somebody else did;

    exactly what he did to Lydia.

    How typical of that POS

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  26. And Will I dont give a crap if you did actually vote for Obama I dont like or respect you.

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  27. Mike, it appears very few people do

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  28. Will is the king of strawmen and double standards cross Troll Tex with Moo Moo and you would have Will.

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  29. Mike, will does it for exactly the same reason mook mook used to do it,

    attention,

    any attention he could get.

    Which is why he went all don Quixote after bill o .... before he decided to swim thru the tubes defending McInsane from the truth about him.

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  30. Tomorrow night I'm having dinner with some friends at Stax....do you think if I contact Pelosi's office I could get the government to pick up the tab?

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  31. This is what Clif is saying here, folks. He's saying that in April of 2007, I started a left of center blog, a blog in which I was highly critical of 1)Bush, 2)the Iraq War, and 3)Fox News's uncritical support of Bush/the war....and I continued to work on this blog FOR TWELVE MONTHS!!!!! (not knowing, mind you, that idiots such as Mike and Clif even existed). And I did this for the sole purpose of someday scamming somebody like Mike and Clif (quite the spelling fetish, Clif - did I spell homophobe right?) into some indeterminant future. This is what Clif is alleging, folks. Wow. And to think that I was thinking that Clif might be some sort of paranoid idiot or something. Sill me.

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  32. You know I had one other thought,

    The south finally REALLY did lose the Civil War.

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  33. Will, buy a dog if you need attention that bad.

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  34. Nice cherry-picking there, Michael. You could have used one of the 10 postings that I offered. But, no, you just pick one of the ones where I criticized Obama. Look, I admitted it, I DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMS WITH OBAMA. And I also admitted that I voted for him out of a process of elimination. But I did vote for him and I don't like being called a liar. If I voted for McCain, I'd tell you, "I voted for McCain."

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  35. Well crusty, since your boss has lost so much money,


    Especially the money he wasted on freedums watch,

    I guess he can't eh clown?


    BTW will, YOU ARE A LIAR

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  36. and BOZO he picked the post YOU chose to do the night Obama won.

    Now son go pick your nose or something useful.

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  37. You won't address my point, will you, Clif? You've accused me of assuming a persona FOR TWELVE MONTHS....BEFORE I EVEN KNEW YOU EXISTED....just to fool you into thinking that I'm somebody else. Look, freakazoid, I don't have the spare time that you do to create these alter-egos. I barely have enough time to be myself. Seriously, I can't believe the V.A. hasn't been helping you more, man. Very sad.

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  38. Well Klink,He's in good company....last time I looked Berkshire has lost over seventy percent.And Warrens one of BHO's financial advisors.

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  39. I want a bailout.....I want a check each month just like Klink.

    Damn I'm calling Pelosi's office...I want some money...right now.

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  40. I write my posts in a note-book first, sometimes as much as a week prior to publishing them....and I type them in order. So fuck you. And, plus, liar, I basically said the same thing on Voltron's blog days before the election. You lose again, man.

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  41. No son, I said YOU were looking for attention and adjust your views to whom ever gives you attention asswipe.

    and crusty warren buffet ain't thunkin' about bankruptcy

    Too bad your sack of shit boss is such an fascist American hating asshole, who thinks bilking millions of middle class people is a good idea.

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  42. Bilking the middle class...what the hell is that?

    Klink,are you being stupid again?

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  43. So, Clif's getting a tax-cut? Oh, wait a minute, I forgot, he doesn't pay any taxes. For him it's an entitlement.

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  44. You lose again, man.


    Wrong shit fur brains .... you LOSE numbnuts ......... you allied yourself with assfaced morons like your fellow traveler here who is asking for something HE NEVER EARNED, sorta like joe the non plumber does.

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  45. For him it's an entitlement.

    there you go again bashing disabled veterans will;

    1138 was right YOU HATE veterans for some reason.

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  46. Klink,how do you know what Buffet is thinking? Do you have a direct line from Bumf@#k Kentucky to Omaha?

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  47. Oh, yeah, Clif, I really crave that attention from you. What a paranoid stooge/idiot.

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  48. crusty maybe,

    but i don't live in bumf*^k kentucy son,

    that is your las vegas bigotry showin' again son.

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  49. There it is....if you call Klink what he is you're bashing veterans....what a crock of crap.

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  50. I really crave that attention from you.

    You keep comin' back for some reason, maybe because your stoopiod waste of bandwidth ain't gettin' enuf traffic eh boy?

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  51. Not disabled enough to be a 15 hour a day internet stooge, apparently. Sleep well, Clif.

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  52. I am a veteran who was declared totally disabled by the military and VA, so what's your point crusty,

    gotta help a known LIAR feel better?

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  53. Bigotry? Why Klink what on earth do you mean?

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  54. what's the matta crusty jealous because .... your pussy ass could find the balls to sign up and serve?

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  55. Looks like the big mouthed pussy is jealous because he lacked the balls to serve himself.

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  56. Probably the same reason will bashes veterans also.

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  57. I came "back" to give Bartlebee some information (which, of course, he discarded and moved the goal-posta again) but whatever.

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  58. They both are yellow bellied cowards and HATE those who aren't.

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  59. well you tried to spin your lies here and failed son.

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  60. Noe go pick your nose or something useful like delete your waste of bandwidth.

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  61. Klink,I dont want to go there again....but,if you have the numerous graduate degrees you say you have and can sit at a keyboard for 15 hours a day you,in my mind can certainly work.

    I know the VA would'nt retrain you....yada,yada,yada.

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  62. Maybe tell us all about another FAILED date like you used to do.

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  63. sorry son BUT THEY declared me totally disabled, and you haven't the mental ability to understand it anyway

    so stick to being the yellow bellied coward you are son.

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  64. It is about all ya got left pussy boy.

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  65. If any ody need to do something actually PRODUCTIVE it is you who helps you hate filled boss steal from so many people, with YOU fixing the bets so he can cheat them.

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  66. Oh look Will the troll came back with his little friend.........how cute!

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  67. Mike they sorta stick together sometimes, if ya know what I mean .....

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  68. This past Tues. night I was on the casino floor at the Mirage when Obama was declared the winner,I was kind of taken aback at the lack of response by the people.Struck me as a bit quizical.

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  69. Oh yea Klink,we were cheating them out of their money at the same time.


    See my thumb? Boy you're dumb.

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  70. Hey Mickey...how's it hanging?
    Did you rent that cage?

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  71. cRusty we all could give a good crap where you were and why you lie about it, but stealing from people is wrong son, even if ya do it the way you do.

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  72. why crusty wanna go a few rounds?

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  73. Klink,you've got to explain this to me.....how does the gaming industry steal from people?

    Now be detailed....son.

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  74. BTW you gotta sign a waiver so what ever you get you keep son.

    I ain't paying for your medical bills son.

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  75. they are all crooks and have been since the 40's asshole if you claim to not know that by now your a bigger LIAR then even will is.

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  76. thereturnofRusty said...
    This past Tues. night I was on the casino floor at the Mirage"



    Hope the cleaning crew brought the pooper scooper!

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  77. so crusty wanna go a few rounds?

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  78. since you were too gutless to bet pussy boy

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  79. Klink,I could'nt live with myself going "a couple rounds" with a disabled vet.I thought the VA found you unable to function.

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  80. As for Mike,I think its against the law to harm a retarded person.

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  81. Ahh,you two are comical.You make me chuckle.

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  82. Bart said: To the best of my knowledge, neither have I.


    Bart, Bart, Bart --- you need to recognize when people are agreeing with you. I wasnt referring to you with that gay marriage thing.

    Oh, and as for the Will Hart thing. It's there. If you're so damned worried about it then you can look it up. To be honest with you, I have neither the time nor patience to sort through the blogs again. If you want to believe me, Will said previously he was going to vote for Obama. If you dont want to believe me, then thats fine too. If you want to be obsessive about it, look it up yourself.

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  83. BTW,hows Mrs.Klink and the munchkin?

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  84. Klink,I cant throw any more punches....my arms are tired.

    As for Mike....never mind.

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  85. Later pussy, you've become as boring as you are gutless.

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  86. The Refuse Called Crusty Prattled,
    Tomorrow night I'm having dinner with some friends at Stax....do you think if I contact Pelosi's office I could get the government to pick up the tab?


    Actually Crusty, there are a lot of Government programs for "special" people like you. If you take along your teacher/handler and expense it as a "socialization" type of exercise, I'm sure the Government will foot the bill.

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  87. therefusepilecalledcrusty whined,

    I want a bailout.....I want a check each month just like Klink.

    Damn I'm calling Pelosi's office...I want some money...right now.


    Now Crusty, let your counselor submit those expenses. Your crayon-scrawl isn't going to be understood by most adults.

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  88. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    I came "back" to give Bartlebee some information (which, of course, he discarded and moved the goal-posta again) but whatever.


    Yea.

    :|

    Unfortunately he forgot to bring the "information" with him.

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  89. See will, I can't help but notice that in all your dozens of ranting claims of posts supporting Obama, you've yet to actually post one.

    Much less the 3 I asked for.

    Oh sure you claimed you had some, but you've yet to simply post them.

    Just like your newfound friend, MCH, who likewise came in claiming to have "researched" your comments over the last few months and found that they do support Obama, yet for some reason, cannot seem to produce just 3 of them for the rest of us to see.

    :|

    Rather than spending 3 dozen comments claiming that you've found comments of yours that support Obama, why not just make one comment, reposting 2 or 3 of those comments?

    Why talk about them?

    Why not just repost them?

    :|

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  90. And as for "moving the goalposts", you're lying.

    And when you lie like that you just further reinforce your true nature.

    I originally asked you to post 3 comments of yours that supported Obama, and I have been consistent with that request throughout the evening.

    So you are lying when you try to obscure your inability to do this by claiming you provided information and then I moved the goal posts.

    I asked for 3 comments that you made that supported Obama, and you've yet to produce even one.

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  91. Bart said: Just like your newfound friend, MCH, who likewise came in claiming to have "researched" your comments over the last few months and found that they do support Obama, yet for some reason, cannot seem to produce just 3 of them for the rest of us to see.


    Fascinating.

    First off, as I said I have neither the time nor inclination to go hunting through the blog posts yet again. I satisfied my own curiosity which was the reason I went looking in the first place. Again, if you're so obsessed abut it, I invite you to look yourself. Will gave you a headstart on where to look.


    Second off, Will and I are not "new found friends". We voted for the same guy. I thanked him for his vote. As much as I would like to claim all 65 millions people who voted for Barack as friends, Lord knows I can't. However, I can treat people with respect, agree to disagree on certain issues, and focus in on things we do share in common. In case you haven't noticed, that's going to be an underlying theme in Barack's presidency. For that matter, it's been a major theme in all of Lydia's blog posts. Truth be told, I've emailed Voltron a couple of times privately and he's responded. We now hold a certain amount of respect with each other and, in case you havent noticed, we dont attack or insult each other anymore.

    There are a lot of problems in this country and the world as a whole and a lot of it stems from the fact that people are determined to hate each other. I say "Enough!" Perhaps I cant change the world or even the country by myself but then again, I didnt elect Obama by myself either. It took an awful lot of us working together to get the job done. The same is going to be true with easing the hatred. We need to stop it if we're going make the world a better place and of the places to begin is here. Personally, I would prefer that Lydia's blog be as lovely and beautiful as she is.

    What do you say, Bart? Want to help me out on this?

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  92. And Clif, his accusations are getting very Kafkaesque. At first he said I was a closet right-winger pretending to be a moderate. When I blew that one out of the water (12 months of left of center posting prior to ever "meeting" him), he started with "he's a flip-flopper". When he didn't get any traction with that, it was attention I was looking for. I don't know, I just think that Clif likes to argue/demonize.

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  93. Man, you are lazy, Bartlebee. And now you're calling mch ( a strong Obama supporter, no less) a liar, too. I know I've said this before but, Obama, he's a decent guy and I think that he'd be horrified by what's been going on in his name over here; the tone, the over the top statements, everything. I'll get you some direct quotes from those posts, buddy. But I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that I just made them up - to which yo would have to go to my blog anyway to verify them. Man, oh man, the high cost of dealing with paranoids.

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  94. Just for the record, Barack Obama won this election because of people just like me - swing voters who didn't feel comfortable with McCain's foreign policy and who were frightened by the prospect of a President Palin. You really shouldn't go out of your way to alienate this voting block.

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  95. Swing-voting behavior, do you find that unseemly, too, Bartlebee?

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  96. Have a good day. There, now back to the Pitt-Louisville game.

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  97. MCH said...

    First off, as I said I have neither the time nor inclination to go hunting through the blog posts yet again

    Really?

    So for you, like Will, when I asked for 3 comments of Will's supporting Obama, you felt it was easier for you to "go hunting through the blog posts" for comments supporting Obama made by will, and then come back and spend dozens of comments CLAIMING you "found some", rather than simply cutting and pasting the comments for all to see?

    :|

    Fascinating is right.

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  98. Most "normal" people would simply repost the comments, rather than CLAIMING TO HAVE SEEN THEM.

    But not you and Will, no sir.

    :|

    For you its easier to CLAIM you've seen them, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....

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  99. dozens? over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over....?


    Hyperbolize much, do you? Or is math just not your strong suit?

    Either way, I just havent had the time -- or inclination -- to look through the blogs again. Dont have time right now either as Im going to my son's guitar recital (I'll tell him you wish him luck). However, if it means so much to you that I prove myself for some reason, then yes I will look through the old blog posts later this evening and post a few of Will's quotes.

    Somehow, I would think you'd be happier that Will contributed to the cause. And no response to my little musings about respect? AT least Will picked up on it.

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  100. That's right MCH.

    Try to further bury your lie by trying to focus on my comment, instead of the 3 comments you were supposed to produce.

    I asked you for 3 comments. Just THREE.

    THREE comments that showed Will supporting Obama.

    And you went off and "researched" those comments, then came back in, CLAIMING to have "SEEN THEM", but mysteriously didn't bother to actually POST them.

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  101. And as for the Hyperbole?

    Ever since you opened your big fat mouth, and tried to claim you had "researched the comments" and found that Will "did support Obama", you've YET TO PRODUCE THEM!!!


    Produce them slimeball, or crawl back into your hole with Will.

    Whence you came.

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  102. I asked for 3 comments yesterday that showed Will supported Obama.

    Just 3.


    Then Will went off, claimed to have poured through the comments, and came back claiming to have found several.

    Unfortunately for Will, he neglected to actually bring those comments with him.

    Then you go and do the EXACT SAME THING.

    CLAIM to have "researched the comments and found them", but yet for some reason, here you are lecturing me on hyperbole and making excuses.

    But no comments.

    Not 3.

    Not even 1.

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  103. Which is of course an old troll trick.


    Claim to have found a quote or reference that supports whatever bullshits coming from your keyboard, but never actually PRODUCING the quote.

    Its a troll tactic.

    A lie.

    When you can stop with your whining, and start producing the actual comments I asked for over 200 comments ago, then we'll see.

    But not until you produce the comments you "claim" to have located.

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  104. I didn't ask for your opinion.

    I asked for 3 comments.

    Produce the comments.

    Not your commentary on them.

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  105. Here. Here's what our pal, MCH claimed yesterday morning.

    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.




    So we're to believe, that you just got "really bored", and decided to "research through old blog posts", to see if there were any comments of Wills that supported Obama, then FOUND THEM, but FAILED to bother to actually post them?

    :|

    In case you didn't notice, liars like you lost on Tuesday MCH.

    Now we're back in the real world, where you know... facts and shit.... sway the day.

    You'll need to produce facts now, instead of merely CLAIMING to have produced them.

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  106. No one hunts through thousands of blog comments to locate a few that prove their point and then finds them, but fails to actually bother to cut and paste them.

    No one.

    Except lying trolls.

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  107. Post the comments shithead. Post the comments in their entirety for all to see.

    Post them.

    Don't talk about them.

    Don't make excuses about how tired you are.

    Don't claim to have "seen them".

    Just POST them.

    How hard is that?

    Post them, or admit you're a lying troll, like I've always known you are.

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  108. Just like your pal Will, who did the exact same thing as you.

    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    I went back about 3 months, Bartlebee. Here are some posts that you'll probably like; "Bolshevik Nation" (11/6, supports Obama), "A Fading Brand" (10/18, criticizes McCain),...



    See, like you, Will claims to have "went back about 3 months", searching for comments of his that actually supported Obama.

    He even goes as far as to post the titles of the threads they supposedly reside under, and even DATES the threads.

    But for some....."mysterious" reason....he, ...like YOU.....didn't bother to simply copy the comments.

    :|

    He, like you, went to ALL THAT TROUBLE to FIND THEM, then LEFT THEM THERE.

    Left them there, and came back claiming, "EUREKA I'VE FOUND THEM!".

    :|

    If you had found them, then there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER why you wouldn't bother to produce them.

    :|

    Unless they didn't say what you claimed they said.

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  109. When you and your new friend Will can produce just 3 simple comments from THIS blog, where he clearly supported Barack Obama (not just said something nice about him), then we'll see.

    Until then, you're both just a couple of bags of hot air.

    Making claims about proof and evidence that you simply cannot produce.

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  110. MCH the liar lied....

    I satisfied my own curiosity which was the reason I went looking in the first place.

    No you didn't.

    If you were merely satisfying your "own curiosity" then why did you come in after doing it declaring your findings to everyone?

    If it was as you now try to claim, for merely your "own" curiosity, then you wouldn't have proclaimed that you'd resolved the issue, as you tried to do here.


    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.



    There. You've just been proven a liar.

    You just claimed it was for "your own curiosity" but we see that is not true.

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  112. Doltron tried to Decieve by saying...

    Well Bart, since you're intellectually incurious here's 5

    No theres not liar.

    Theres ZERO.

    I asked for THREE comments from THIS BLOG that support Obama.

    Not only are those comments MILKTOAST support at best, they are NOT EVEN FROM THIS BLOG.

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  113. Two days ago I asked for just THREE simple comments showing clear support for Obama in the last three months, from THIS blog.

    Since I asked, I've had Will claim to have found them, then never producing them.

    I've had MCH come in and proclaim he's found them, yet likewise failed to actually produce them.

    And now, in comes VOLTRON, the lying troll who claims a win for Obama is a win for ISLAMIC TERRORISM, to likewise try and defend him. And he too posts comments that do not clearly support Obama for President, but are STILL NOT FROM THIS BLOG!!!

    So what have we learned?

    We've learned MCH, and Voltron, for some reason feel compelled to spend countless keystrokes positioning Will as a "Obama Supporter".

    :|

    Wonder why'd they want to do that?

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  114. And we also learned that neither Will, his new friend and defender MCH, and now his new NEW friend and defender DOLTRON,can produce just 3 simple comments of Will's, supporting Barack Obama for President from the blog.

    Not 3.

    :|

    Not even ONE.

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  115. Sorry Bart, didn't see you moved the goal post before I posted that...

    Here's TWO for you real quick:

    http://www.lydiacornell.com/2008/08/pale-and-palin-dueling-victims.html

    Kudos to Barack Obama, ladies and gentlemen. Seriously, did you see that comment he made today on the Palin rumor (the Governor's daughter being the actual mother of the Down's Syndrome child)? Damned if he isn't a classy guy, saying that we should leave the families out of it/not give creedence to such ludicrous bull-shit. If I end up voting for Obama with any degree of enthusiasm this fall, what he said today will be the reason for it. Well done, Barack.

    By Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 9:14 PM



    http://www.lydiacornell.com/2008/04/two-faces-of-deceiver.html

    John McCain is wrong about the Iraq War (the main reason I am voting against him). He is wrong about Iran. And, yes, his flip-flops on a number of issues (tax-cuts, immigration, embracing Falwell and company) have indeed become a troubling thing....

    By Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 8:23 PM

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  116. Its also noteworthy albeit inconclusive, that Voltron, for some reason "answered" for MCH.

    I was talking to MCH, but Voltron responded.

    So while we didn't learn anything from that, we did gain a new question.


    Did;

    A. Voltron suddenly feel compelled to help MCH position Will as an Obama supporter?

    or

    B. Did MCH log in from the wrong computer?

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  117. Voltron said...

    Sorry Bart, didn't see you moved the goal post before I posted that...



    I didn't move shit pal.

    My request has been the same from DAY ONE.

    Like your friend (or alter-ego) Will you accuse me of moving goal posts but I simply asked for the same thing from day one.

    I asked for THREE simple comments in THIS blog, that supported Obama for president.

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  118. And neither of those comments show Will supporting Obama for president.

    He says IF he votes for Obama.

    And he criticizes McCain.


    So what?

    I asked for THREE comments that clearly support Obama for President.

    :|

    Not two comments that do not.

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  119. And while you're busy spending your time sifting through threads, perhaps you could explain why now you suddenly feel the need to help MCH position Will as an Obama supporter.

    :|

    Enquiring minds want to know.

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  120. "I asked for THREE simple comments in THIS blog, that supported Obama for president."

    Actually no Bart. You're a liar.

    You started out asking for ANY post in THIS blog. You finally got to your "3 post" challenge here:

    http://www.lydiacornell.com/archive/2008_11_05_lydiacornell_archive.html

    " BARTLEBEE said...

    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side


    Fine.

    Post 3 comments he made in the last 3 months that clearly support Barack Obama for President and I'll believe it too.

    Since you've researched them that shouldn't be too hard.

    Show me 3."

    10:27 AM


    You'll note at the time of this challenge you didn't specify that they only come from THIS blog.

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  121. "He says IF he votes for Obama."

    No Bart, he says: "If I end up voting for Obama with any degree of enthusiasm."

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  122. So you've LIED again.

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  123. And here folks. Remember in Sunday School they taught you the Devil speaks in "half truths"?

    Lets look at our friend, DOLTRONS, post where he claims Will is clearly supporting Obama.

    But lets look at the WHOLE post, in its ENTIRETY (LIKE I ASKED FOR).

    Lets look at the part.....Dolty LEFT OUT.

    Doltron posted this a few minutes ago as one of the comments where Will supposedly 'clearly supports Obama for President'.

    Voltron said...
    John McCain is wrong about the Iraq War (the main reason I am voting against him). He is wrong about Iran. And, yes, his flip-flops on a number of issues (tax-cuts, immigration, embracing Falwell and company) have indeed become a troubling thing....

    By Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 8:23 PM




    But lets look at the rest of the comment by Will. Lets look at what he was REALLY saying.





    But, really, the post I just read here is border-line character-assasination. What's your source that McCain gave up valuable information to the enemy? From what I know, the man could have left the prison earlier but didn't. He stayed with his comrades. And even if he did give up a bean or two, they broke his frigging arms repeatedly!!! I wonder, how long would it have taken Al Franken (who is funny, I admit) and Randi Rhodes to capitulate. Christ, they probably would have spilled the entire kettle of beans at the mere sight of an inquisitor. And you're criticizing John McCain for adultery? That is pretty ballsy, especially when you Bubba nad Jesse Jackson doing essentially the same and more!! Come on, why don't we just stay on the issues, huh?

    By Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 8:23 PM



    :|

    So we see, when we post the complete comment by Will, he's actually defending John McCain.

    Which definately disqualifies that comment as "clear support for Obama for President".

    And of course in the second one, he says "IF" I vote for him. Which also disqualifies that comment as "CLEAR" support for Barack Obama for President.

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  124. Voltron said...
    "He says IF he votes for Obama."

    No Bart, he says: "If I end up voting for Obama with any degree of enthusiasm."



    He said IF.

    Its GRAY at best. He doesn't say he is voting for him. He simply leaves it open.

    Show me where he says he is supporting Obama for President.

    You've yet to produce one comment, where he CLEARLY SHOWS SUPPORT FOR OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT.

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  125. And for a liar like you to call anyone a liar, is laughable.

    Why are you answering for MCH?

    Why are you trying to position Will Hart as an Obama supporter?

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  126. Why'd you post that one comment from will and leave out the BULK of it, which supported MCCAIN?

    Huh asshole?

    :D

    Why'd you leave all that out?

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  127. When you can post 3 comments by Will, which clearly show his support for Obama for President, let me know.

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  128. Like I said Bart Will's a buffer troll that craves attention just like Moo Moo that Voltron uses because he pathetically craves Voltrons friendship and approval he's a closet Right winger that pals around with right wing trolls and wouldnt know the truth if it bit him on the nose.

    he NEVER backs up what he says with truth and facts and is the KING of straw men and double standards and hippocrissy

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  129. He's done NOTHING but defend McSame from FACTS while CLAIMING he's not defending him.

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  130. I am fairly confident Will did not Vote for Barack Obama.

    If he did, then great.

    But in THIS blog, he didn't show that support, or at least I didn't see it.

    And I'm happy to acknowledge that I may have not seen it.

    Which is why for the past 2 days I've given him, then MCH, and now you too (for reasons yet to be determined) the opportunity to produce just 3 simple comments prior to the elections, that showed his clear support for Obama.


    If he did show his clear support for Obama then surely thats an easy thing to do.

    Just show me 3 comments, where Will showed his support for Barack Obama, and we'll all see how we all overlooked his devotion to the new President.

    But in lieu of that, we are left to assume that he's either like Michelle Bachman and Joe Lieberman and suddenly jumping on the bandwagon AFTER he won.

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  131. My last post was meant for Voltron.

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  132. Or he's trying to pretend to be a supporter while really supporting McCain.

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  133. BARTLEBEE said...
    Or he's trying to pretend to be a supporter while really supporting McCain."


    Nah, would our buddy Will Hart the stanch Obama supporter do THAT???????? LOL :D

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  134. Thats all will DOES is "PRETEND"

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  135. Either way the topic has grown weary with me.

    When you, (Doltron), MCH or your new pal Will, can show me just three simple comments from this blog, by Will that clearly and unambiguosly support Barack Obama for President, then we'll revisit it.

    Until then, your hyperbole and red herrings are just that.

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  136. Doltron said...

    You'll note at the time of this challenge you didn't specify that they only come from THIS blog.


    You'll note thats not when I made the challenge.

    The challenge had already been articulated a day earlier when MCH came in and accepted it.

    The terms had already been spelled out.

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  137. Time for you to step up to the plate, Bart. I think we can all agree that you are, by far, the most vocal and loud critic on this blog of the Bush Administration and the McCain campaign.

    Now Lydia and I are both on the record as having volunteered for the Obama campaign ... phone banking, door canvassing, data entry, etc... What did you do, Bart? How many doors did you knock on? How many potential volunteers did you call? How many Obama supporters did you identify for the Get Out The Vote portion of the campaign? What role did you play in getting Obama elected?

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  138. Here Voltron.

    More proof of your either being ignorant or a liar.

    HERE is the FIRST TIME the challenge was made.

    Read it and weep.

    Please provide the comments you posted in here supporting Kerry.

    Please provide the comments you made opposing the war.

    :|

    I'll be waiting here tending to my paranoid asshole.

    9:11 PM



    That was the FIRST time the challenge was made, and it regarded Kerry and the war.

    THEN, the topic shifted to support for Obama, since Will apparently wasn't in the blog when Kerry was elected.

    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    Read the old postings on MY blog, ass-hole


    No, I'd rather read your posting in THIS blog where you spoke out against the war, or supported Barack Obama.



    So we see, I made it clear from the FIRST that I wanted just 3 simple comments from THIS blog.

    As I so clearly articulated.

    Yet both Will, then MCH, and now you have accused me of "MOVING THE GOAL POSTS".

    Showing either you're all three three liars...... or you're all three one liar.

    :|

    Please check one of the above.

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  139. MCH\Voltron\Will\Unitroll said...

    Time for you to step up to the plate,


    It will be my turn to step up to the plate once YOU'VE stepped up to the plate.

    I am still waiting for the 3 comments I originally asked for showing Wills support for Obama for President.

    You know...the three comments you claimed yesterday to have found.

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  140. Found after "getting bored and researching old blog posts", yet for some reason, never thought to bother to copy said comments.

    :|

    Just like Will claimed.

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  141. Nope, Im done looking for Obama voters. I spent 2 months doing it -- giving up my weekends and evenings by knocking on doors, phone banking, and data entry. We won and my job is over.

    How many hours did you spend, Bart? How many doors? How many phone calls?

    Or are you one of these people who's just content to sit on their asses and whine about the state of things without actually trying to do something about it?

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  142. Unitroll said...

    MCH said...
    Nope, Im done looking for Obama voters


    So?

    I never asked you to look for Obama voters.

    You're the moron who came in proclaiming ...


    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.



    And you did this in response to my challenge to Will to provide 3 comments from this blog, that showed his support for Obama.

    Because in your "CLAIM" above in response to my challenge, you, like WIll, failed to actually provide said comments.

    So you can tap dance all you want, but the challenge to provide just 3 simple comments supporting Obama for President, by Will, has not been met, and YOUR claims that YOU FOUND SAID COMMENTS, have been proven to be a LIE.

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  143. And all your obvious attempts to now turn YOUR FAILURE TO PRODUCE THE COMMENTS YOU CLAIMED TO FIND, into a challenge to me about what activities I may or may not have engaged in, is the sure TELL of a man who's been caught lying.

    You can't produce what you CLAIMED to have found.

    You spent the last two days lying about it, claiming I "moved goal posts", didn't say this or that, etc, all of which was proven false.

    And now you're trying to wiggle out of it, by asking me what I did.

    What I did or did not do is not the topic here, nor will it be until you make good on your claims to have found proof that Will supported Obama.

    When YOU put up, then I'll consider your questions.

    And not a minute earlier.

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  144. In other words, you didnt do a damn thing.

    Sorry, Bart, I already looked and satisfied my curiosity. As I said, Im done looking for Obama voters and/or supporters. Im no longer curious about Will and his political affiliations.

    And I invited you numerous times to do the looking yourself .. however, you've decided you're just going to be lazy and have me do the work for you instead. Sorry, Bart, but I did my bit for the cause already. I did the work you should have been doing.

    So tell you what, you just sit behind your keyboard and keep yapping and whining and complaining and bitching and name-calling and accusing and crying while the rest of us fix the mess this country is in.

    I devoted my time to the campaign because Obama is worth it. Im not devoting it to you because you're not.

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  145. Besided, anyone can "claim" to have done anything outside of this blog and there'd be no verification whatsoever.

    You CLAIM to have made all these calls and such, but what proof do you have?

    Thats why I hold people to what they actually WRITE in here, because its the only actual, demonstrable benchmark we have.

    Your "claims" are nothing more than that.

    Claims that cannot be demonstrated.

    :|

    Which is why you make them.

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  146. UNITROLL claimed...


    I devoted my time to the campaign because Obama is worth it. Im not devoting it to you because you're not.



    I didn't ask you to devote shit little man.

    You're the one who shot off your mouth claiming you'd found Wills comments supporting Obama.

    :|

    And then failed to post them.

    I merely asked you to provide evidence of that claim.

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  147. Which you have been UNABLE TO DO.

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  148. If you don't wish to provide evidence of your bullshit claims, then fine.

    We'll all accept them as bullshit and move on.

    But don't come running your big fat mouth to me claiming to have found the evidence I asked Will for without bothering to SHOW that evidence.

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  149. For that matter, let's try to prove your claims. According to you, Ive claimed dozens of times that Will voted for Obama.

    Post them. Should be easy to find, they were all in this blog and the last. "Dozens" implies more than 1 so that would suggest I posted at least 24 times that Will voted for Obama.

    Also, according to you I said you "moved the goalposts". Find 1 instance where I said that.

    Or are you going to admit to being a liar?

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  150. Fact is, you were just confused and attributed Voltron's comment to me.

    So are you willing to admit that you made a mistake? Or are you just like George W Bush and refuse to admit such a thing?

    What do you say, Bush ...er, I mean Bart?

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  151. No what you've done is obfuscate by doing what you're doing now.

    Trying to change the topic.

    Trying to change the terms.

    Trying to do anything to AVOID PROVIDING THE PROOF YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE FOUND.

    SHOW ME, or BLOW me.

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  152. MCH said...

    Fact is, you were just confused and attributed Voltron's comment to me.



    Really?

    Now you're claiming you didn't say this???


    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.

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  153. Or are you saying Voltron logged in under the wrong handle?

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  154. Now, Im not going to hold you to the "dozens" challenge because it's been proven you suck at math.

    I will however ask you about your contributions to fixing this mess the country is in. If you didnt do any volunteering, then you are nothing more than a whiney little crybaby who expects everyone else to do your work for you.

    Whats the matter, Bush/Bart, truth hurts?

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  155. I am not letting you detract asswipe.

    Theres only ONE challenge here thats on the table.

    Its the same challenge you took up yesterday when you said THIS.

    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.



    Nothing changes until you own up to this claim, and provide the comments you CLAIMED to have found.

    Got it punk?

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  156. MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.




    PROVE IT.

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  157. Bart whined: Really? Now you're claiming you didn't say this???
    MCH said... Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side."


    No, Im saying I didnt say this: "Sorry Bart, didn't see you moved the goal post before I posted that..." That was Voltron.

    and this : "came "back" to give Bartlebee some information (which, of course, he discarded and moved the goal-posta again) but whatever."\

    That was Will.

    Now I AM saying this: You're a lazyass son of a bitch who needs to be a man for once and do something about fixing this country instead of just sitting around whining about it.

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  158. MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.





    PROVE IT.

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  159. I think Im going to fall back to my old policy of only responding to the crybaby with "Grow up, Bart."

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  160. MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.





    PROVE IT.

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  161. And then you made THIS PROMISE.


    MCH said...
    Bart said: And so far MCH has yet to show even ONE comment of yours in here that supported Obama. I asked for 3. He hasn't even posted 1 yet.


    Im at work, Bart. I'll let you know what I found when I get a chance to. The post that stuck out to me was he said words to the effect of "Obama is by far the superior choice"

    2:43 PM



    Which you failed to keep.

    Instead you come in trying to taunt me into defending MYSELF, and MY SUPPORT for Obama, rather than STAND UP FOR YOUR OWN WORDS.

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  162. You can challenge me all night, but I've MADE NO CLAIMS for you to challenge.

    YOU Made claims I asked you to prove, and instead you've spent dozens of comments trying to hide from those claims, but never once bothering to support your claims.

    PROVE what you said bitch, or kiss my ass.

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  163. Fine, Barty-Boy. Here are the two that Voltron posted:

    http://www.lydiacornell.com/2008/08/pale-and-palin-dueling-victims.html

    Kudos to Barack Obama, ladies and gentlemen. Seriously, did you see that comment he made today on the Palin rumor (the Governor's daughter being the actual mother of the Down's Syndrome child)? Damned if he isn't a classy guy, saying that we should leave the families out of it/not give creedence to such ludicrous bull-shit. If I end up voting for Obama with any degree of enthusiasm this fall, what he said today will be the reason for it. Well done, Barack.

    By Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 9:14 PM



    http://www.lydiacornell.com/2008/04/two-faces-of-deceiver.html

    John McCain is wrong about the Iraq War (the main reason I am voting against him). He is wrong about Iran. And, yes, his flip-flops on a number of issues (tax-cuts, immigration, embracing Falwell and company) have indeed become a troubling thing....

    By Blogger Will "take no prisoners" Hart, at 8:23 PM


    and one more for good measure I voted for Obama. I just did it with considerably less enthusiasm than you guys did. Why not McCain? 2 reasons. 1)I find his foreign policy far too bellicose. We can't bludgeon our way out of every difficult scenario. And 2)Palin. While I clearly don't detest her like you guys apparently do, she's far, far from a heavy-hitter. And with McCain being 72 and a cancer survivor, couldn't risk it."


    Are you happy now?

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  164. Now then ... about your volunteer work?

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  165. I already discredited one because the of those completely, and the other one is vague at best, as is yours.

    None of them show clear support for Obama for President, so reposting Voltrons crap doesn't work.

    And that 3rd one, the one you posted for "good measure" you failed to provide a link to or the thread its in, so how do I know where you got it.

    Also that third one doesn't necessarily support Obama. It just shows his, like so many repuggies, dissatisfaction with McCain.

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  166. Reposting what Voltron already posted and was shot down on, doesn't cut it.

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  167. The one comment goes on to support McCain, not Obama.

    The one with the "IF" vote is grey at best.

    And yours only indicates dissatisfaction with McCain, which many republicans felt.

    None of them show Will as the "Liberal" he claims to be on his site and none of them show clear support for Barack Obama.

    I would like to see a link to your third comment though. The one you "threw in for good measure".

    A link or the name of the thread its under.

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  168. I haven't read that one yet, so I will be happy to review it and consider it.

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  169. And as for "my support", I'm not a democrat, as I've stated for the last 5 years in this blog, and as everyone knows.

    I have however donated THOUSANDS to various democrat campaigns, including Wesely Clark in 2004, Kerry, Joe Biden (in the primaries) and 1700 dollars to Obama for the General election.

    I also made phone calls from home for several nights before the election this year, and have spoken out for him and Kerry in 04 (which created a rift in my family thats never healed) and spent 5 solid years blogging for liberal and progressive causes in multiple blogs, websites, etc.

    I've done my part to help a candidate get elected thats not even in my party, but unlike you, I don't go around BRAGGING about it.

    And while we're at it, I never asked you what YOU have done.

    I simply asked you to back up your words.

    THESE words.

    MCH said...
    Ok, guys, i was really bored and decided to do a bit of research through old blog posts. I hate to say this but Will "TNP" Hart is right -- he's been on the Obama side.



    And you've yet to do it.

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  170. And you even promised to do it.

    MCH said...
    Bart said: And so far MCH has yet to show even ONE comment of yours in here that supported Obama. I asked for 3. He hasn't even posted 1 yet.


    Im at work, Bart. I'll let you know what I found when I get a chance to. The post that stuck out to me was he said words to the effect of "Obama is by far the superior choice"


    But instead you spent the day trying to detract and obscure, instead of fulfilling the promise you made last night.

    Only after hours of arguing and dozens of posts did you bother to even post anything, and then you took two comments already disputed posted by Voltron, and one comment you for some reason didn't want to post the source of.

    Well, I'm waiting.

    Waiting for you to do what you promised you'd do last night, and post 3 comments of Wills from this blog, that clearly support Obama for President.

    :|

    Tick Tock.

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  171. "None of them show Will as the "Liberal" he claims to be on his site..."

    Will doesn't claim to be "liberal", he claims to be a moderate.

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  172. "...spent 5 solid years blogging for liberal and progressive causes..."

    LOL

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  173. Funny.

    I talk to one, and the other answers.


    :|

    Go figger.

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  174. And actually we're both wrong, Will claims to be an independent.

    But thanks for jumping in for MCH....Unitroll.

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  175. Voltron said...

    "...spent 5 solid years blogging for liberal and progressive causes..."

    LOL



    What's so funny about blogging for what you believe in?

    Bloggers have been repeatedly credited with helping win this election, and more importantly, in getting the truth out, and standing up to republican liars.

    Like you.

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  176. Oh, and I'm still waiting Unitroll(s).


    Waiting for you to post 3 comments of Wills from this blog, that clearly support Obama for President.

    :|

    Tick Tock.

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  177. http://www.lydiacornell.com/archive/2008_11_05_lydiacornell_archive.html


    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    "I voted for Obama. I just did it with considerably less enthusiasm than you guys did. Why not McCain? 2 reasons. 1)I find his foreign policy far too bellicose. We can't bludgeon our way out of every difficult scenario. And 2)Palin. While I clearly don't detest her like you guys apparently do, she's far, far from a heavy-hitter. And with McCain being 72 and a cancer survivor, couldn't risk it."

    7:57 PM

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  178. Oh and whatever "party" it is you belong to, I hope it isn't Republican.

    There's going to be a purge of RINO's and moderates before the 2012 election...

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  179. Idiot.

    The challenge I made was made in response to Wills claims that he voted for Obama.

    You can't produce his claim AFTER the election that he supported Obama, as evidence of his support PRIOR to the election that he supported Obama.

    Idiot.

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  180. And don't claim I'm "moving the goal posts".

    That comment was made AFTER the fact.

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  181. You're moving the goal posts now.

    By your logic here, Will could just post 3 new comments supporting Obama and then claim he's fulfilled my request.

    I'm still waiting for 3 comments as I originally asked for, showing Will supported Obama for President.

    Tick Tock.

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  182. And after you produce those three comments, or should I say "IF" you produce them, then you can explain why you and MCH are in here trying over and over to convince me and everyone else that Will is an Obama supporter.

    :|

    That oughta be a doozy.

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  183. " BARTLEBEE said...

    The one comment goes on to support McCain, not Obama.

    The one with the "IF" vote is grey at best.

    And yours only indicates dissatisfaction with McCain, which many republicans felt.

    None of them show Will as the "Liberal" he claims to be on his site and none of them show clear support for Barack Obama.

    I would like to see a link to your third comment though. The one you "threw in for good measure".

    A link or the name of the thread its under.
    "



    IDIOT

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  184. I just got tired of seeing all the bitching. You bitch worse than a girl.

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  185. Voltron said...
    Oh and whatever "party" it is you belong to, I hope it isn't Republican.




    lol, don't trouble yourself.

    :D

    My parent's weren't related.

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  186. "My parent's weren't related."

    Are you sure?

    :D

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  187. Absolutely.

    Thats what disqualified my entry into the republican party.

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  188. I'm sure you had no problem though.

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  189. Voltron said...
    " BARTLEBEE said...

    The one comment goes on to support McCain, not Obama.

    The one with the "IF" vote is grey at best.

    And yours only indicates dissatisfaction with McCain, which many republicans felt.

    None of them show Will as the "Liberal" he claims to be on his site and none of them show clear support for Barack Obama.

    I would like to see a link to your third comment though. The one you "threw in for good measure".

    A link or the name of the thread its under."


    IDIOT



    I'm not the one who posted a comment that was made during the challenge for 3 comments showing his support for Obama over the past three months.

    You were.

    So that would make YOU the IDIOT.

    Idiot.

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  190. And as for the inbreeding thing?

    Remember, I've seen your picture.

    :|

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  191. With a mug like your's I'm figuring it goes back 4 or 5 generations or so.

    :|

    Takes several generations to reproduce flaws like that.

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  192. Either that or mom smacked you in the face with a frying pan one too many times.

    :|

    Probably for getting into baked Possum before supper.

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