Hey everyone: Please send CARE packages to our troops. They all need our love and care. Here is a letter from one of our brave soldiers stationed in Iraq, who writes a blog called ANGER MANAGEMENT
I was worried about him, and wrote to see if he and his wife are still alive. Thank God he's okay. He wrote:
Lydia,
Yes, my wife and I are fine. We are pretty angry about the extension because what's another month and a half in an infants life without their parents. It is just too stupid. It seems like our brigade is losing people on a daily basis. My wife is the Executive Officer for the brigades Medical Support Company so she get's to see the casualties everyday, worrying whether or not I might be on the next MEDEVAC into her aid station. It doesnt seem to be getting any better.
I have not received any packages yet, but the mail takes time around here. I'll get it eventually.
Then he wrote this in the comment section here:
It doesnt seem that our presence is helping to do anything but get more American's killed or injured and for what no one knows. I know an officer who confesses to be a stalwhart NeoCon, but he asked me the other day, "What the f--- are we doing here? I just dont get it." When they've lost those people I think they have lost just about everyone. My soldiers ask me what we're doing here, and I can't tell them because I can't lie to them and I can't make disparging or "disdainful remarks" (Art. 88 UCMJ) about the President, the VP or their Cabinet members.
A lot of people are really questioning it now that we have been extended.
We know why we have to stay a little longer, but it doesnt make it any better or any safer.....At least if we were making headway it would count for something. But that begs the question what are we supposed to be making headway towards? Noone seems to know. So, I just do my job and keep my men and myself safe another 5 months and then I get to come home.
Thanks for your support
V/R
Marcus
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --- Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
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Faith-Based Initiatives are another sign of corruption. We find out today, thanks to a new book, Karl Rove was the creator of the "Faith-based Inititives" and did it to trick the Christians into voting for Republicans. (More below)
Donald Trump on Donny Deutche said:
1) We need to get out of Iraq, IRAQ IS A "TOTAL DIASTER"
2) BUSH SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH INCOMPETENT PEOPLE
3) CONDI RICE IS INCOMPETENT, SHE FLIES ALL OVER THE WORLD TALKING TO PEOPLE, AND NOTHING GETS DONE, NOTHING IS EVER ACCOMPLISHED
4) RUMMY IS A TOTAL DISASTER, COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT.
5) The country is not behind Bush and doesnt have faith in his leadership, it has never been so divisive or filled with hatred, aftere 9/11 the whole world was behind us and Bush turned it arounf and we are hated by the world.
- Donald Trump
Tempting Faith’ author David Kuo worked for Bush from 2001 to 2003 By Jonathan Larsen of MSNBC
More than five years after President Bush created the Office of Faith-Based Initiatives, the former second-in-command of that office is going public with an insider’s tell-all account that portrays an office used almost exclusively to win political points with both evangelical Christians and traditionally Democratic minorities.
The office’s primary mission, providing financial support to charities that serve the poor, never got the presidential support it needed to succeed, according to the book.
Entitled “Tempting Faith,” the book is not scheduled for release until Oct. 16, but MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann” has obtained a copy.
“Tempting Faith’s” author is David Kuo, who served as special assistant to the president from 2001 to 2003. A self-described conservative Christian, Kuo’s previous experience includes work for prominent conservatives including former Education Secretary and federal drug czar Bill Bennett and former Attorney General John Ashcroft.
We are investigating this despicable tax-loophole for the religious right, which enables them to work at getting the vote out for their evangelical wing. How on earth is this legal? Why are right-wing churches the only ones who benefit from this? Did they help the Katrina victims in the name of God? Funny I never heard of a single right-wing evangelical mega church helping the Katrina victims in a big way.
George Bush, God Bless him, cannot be trusted. We cannot believe a single thing he says. He is incapable of telling the truth, admitting he's wrong or taking responsibility for his mistakes. M. Scott Peck defines these types as "people of the lie." In other words, evil. By over-extending ourselves in Iraq, Bush has enabled the North Korean and Iranian dictators to arrogantly strut and flaunt nuclear threats. It's almost as if they are deliberately defying Bush and goading him. Can you imagine how powerful it would be if Bush let down his pride and conceded to just meet with Kim Ill and have a heart-to-heart talk? When you come face to face with your enemy, often you end up realizing your enemy is just a human being. It's harder to bomb someone you have had tea with. You get more flies with honey...
Bush flippantly denies a Johns-Hopkins report that says over 655,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed as a result of our "war to bring peace and stability." BUSH JUST DENIES THE INVESTIGATIVE STUDY by a prestigious university research team, Johns-Hopkins! The Pentagon has pointedly refused to count the dead (despite international law that requires any occupying military force to count its victims and pay reparations).
What a load of Orwellian doublespeak. He never once acknowledges the 300 billion dollar cost of his wonderful war. He never once stands over a coffin or attends a funeral for the public to see. And what he conveniently failed to mention in his speech today is this: that before he took office, gas prices were HALF what they are even now; the catastrophic deficit was a suprlus, and the economy was soaring. We are supposed to be grateful for the slight turnaround by big oil right before the elections.
He states that he suddenly had a change of heart: it's best to have allies. Great! Why couldn't he have realized this before invading Iraq and upsetting the balance of the entire world?
Lying through his teeth he impugned the patriotism of Democrats as "cut and run" while saying he wasn't impugning their patriotism. DEMOCRATS are far more patriotic than this administration; we demand an end to death and violence in Iraq. We cannot aford to lose any more troops. Onnly a moron would stay where we are not wanted. Let the Iraqis find their own way now.
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The Faith based initiatives program was one of the first things I ranted on in here.
ReplyDeleteFaith based initiatives or "FBI", are the anti-thesis of our democracy. They induce favor in the government for given religions, and discrimination against others. There is no way the founding fathers ever intended for Georgy to start messing with mixing religious institutions with the White House.
Then again the founding fathers never could have forsaw Bush.
Well, one things for sure. Christians aren't going to feel good about being "used", and the new book, Tempting Faith", is not going to help any.
ReplyDeleteI agree Worf faith based initiatives are gobbly gook BS just like trickle down economics where the rich piss on the poor and steal more of the pie for them selves.......................i've always said religion creates more problems than it solves by creating hatred and divisiveness.
ReplyDeleteAnd they're more than that Mike.
ReplyDeleteThey blur the seperation between church and state, and are a milestone along the path to theocracy.
We find out today, thanks to a new book, Karl Rove was the creator of the faith based inititives and did it to trick the christians into voting for them.
ReplyDeleteThats all Rove does is trick people into voting for them, all the checks and balances the Founding Fathers built into our Constition and our system of government were designed to PREVENT people like Bush and Rove from coming to power.
ReplyDeleteHoly crap. I am just seeing this number now that apparently the Iraqi's released, that 655,000 Iraqi's have been killed due to our "liberation".
ReplyDeleteThats over HALF A MILLION PEOPLE.
Holy mother of God.
thats how Bush brings Freedom and Democracy Aye?
ReplyDeleteWant to see what the Iraqi's reallly think of Bush and the American occupation of Iraq, check out this the blog listed below or this book :Baghdad Burning II: More Girl Blog from Iraq
ReplyDeleteby Riverbend / Ridgeway, James (INT) / Casella, Jean (INT)
The second installment of Riverbend's incisive, salty, impassioned observations from war-torn Baghdad.Baghdad Burning (2005) is a collection of blog postings by a 24-year-old, middle-class Iraqi woman who calls herself Riverbend. This sequel picks up the story in October 2004-before the world knew that Americans would re-elect George Bush. Just before the election, Riverhead prophesies that should Bush return to the White House, life would worsen not only for Iraqis, but also for Americans, whose national image is "tarnished world-wide." Indeed, much of this is devoted to Riverbend's fury about the American occupation of Iraq. She bluntly says that although Iraqis felt sympathy when the Twin Towers collapsed, "9/11 is getting old." The author suggests the war has moved into a different phase-now, instead of being assaulted with smart missiles, Iraqis are besieged by American media, by television and radio reports that are deceptively sanitized. She tartly notes the vagaries and obfuscations of political speech, and she has little patience for the euphemistic lingua franca of war: "What exactly are precision attacks?" she pleads, after Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld invoke the phrase. "How can you be precise in a city like Samarra or in the slums of Sadir City?" Throughout all her political analysis, Riverbend sprinkles reminders of the day-to-day realties of life in Baghdad-the water problems, the lack of electricity, the daily explosions near her home, the endless gasoline queues. Riverbend's musings will make it impossible for readers to hold on to some cardboard cutout notion of "an Iraqi." Here is a practicing Muslim woman who disdains suicide bombers but understands how people are driven to such extremes, who can't stand the fundamentalist leadership of Iran, who simply wants Iraq to be stable, prosperous and peaceful.Bracing, and sure to be controversial, this is a unique and essential record of our times.
The distinctive voice of pseudonymous Riverbend shines through this continuation of her blog, from October 2004 through March 2006 (2005's Baghdad Burning won a Lettre Ulysses Award for the Art of Literary Reportage). Now 27, she offers an invaluable description of life in a middle-class, secular, mixed Shia-Sunni family. Alternating reports of attacks seen on TV and raids in her neighborhood with the mundane details of fuel shortages and infrequent electricity and water, Riverbend also offers astute analysis of the Iraqi draft constitution and American media, widely available through Iraqi TV and the Internet (her suggestion for a reality show: "Take 15 Bush supporters and throw them in a house in Fallujah"). She emphasizes how gender has become an issue when it never was before, e.g., election forms are all stamped "male." Riverbend's dry wit leavens her anger: after watching the 2006 Oscar ceremonies on TV, she proposes Iraqi Oscars ("Ahmed Al-Chalabi in 'Disappearing Act' for his magnificent evaporation from the Iraqi political scene"). Throughout, the blog insists that most Iraqis are tolerant; prefer secular to religious government; fear civil war; and vehemently want the occupation to end. (Riverbend's blog continues at riverbendblog.blogspot.com.)
nother interesting book:Talking Right: How the Right turned Liberalism into a Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times Reading, Body Piercing, Hollywood Loving.....
ReplyDeleteby Nunberg, Geoffrey
Nunberg (Sch. of Information, Univ. of California, Berkeley; Going Nucular ) more narrowly focuses on how the Right has taken control of the common political language to move our national politics steadily toward the conservative point of view. Words with powerful symbolic meaning, such as patriotism and terrorism , have been appropriated by conservatives and used skillfully to further their political agenda. As an example, Nunberg notes how the word elite has been narrowed to describe more liberal sectors of society, such as academics or the media, rather than referring to corporate or military leaders who exercise real power. This hijacking of the language is tied to the Right's powerful use of storytelling, going back to the 1960s and then epitomized by Ronald Reagan. Nunberg argues that for Democrats to return to power they must take back the language and tell stories that engage listeners.
Nunberg, a professor of linguistics and columnist for the New York Times, believes that Democrats are at a loss for words when it comes to the use of political language. As the Democrats feebly argue that they must "reframe" their arguments to reach voters, Nunberg (Going Nucular) believes that "what we have here is more than just a failure to communicate." Though conservatives have gained political ground using loaded terms such as "death tax" for estate tax, "climate change" for global warming and "hate speech" for any criticism of the president or fellow Republicans, their true triumph is more subtle, hijacking the "core vocabulary of American political discourse"-like "values" and "elite"-and using them to Republicans' exclusive advantage. Nunberg insists that liberals cannot model their strategy after GOP successes, though he offers little in the way of practical strategy. Though the phrase "politics of perception" has been overused-and therefore, as Nunberg might argue, rendered empty of meaning-Nunberg proves in this thoughtful, funny and rousing effort that the use and misuse of language is still of vital concern to the body politic. (July)
The Reich Wing has turned the Words Patriotism and liberal into dirty words in our society with their lies, deceptions and unsubstantiated rhetoric they attempt to pass off as facts.
ReplyDeleteLets see now we have had an Iraqi woman who is IN IRAQ say it is a disaster and she wants the occupation to end and we have had an American soldier, a TRUE PATRRIOT not the phonuy reich wing chickenhawk kind who is also IN IRAQ say it is a senseless war and a disaster accomplishing nothing but lining the pockets of the wealthy elite....................then we have Bush and his incompetentent sidekicks and cronnies who have a clear vested political and financial interest in justifying and keeping this endless war going who ARE NOT IN IRAQ misleading the American people about what is REALLY going on over there.........................truly pathetic!
ReplyDeleteDude. If that number, 655,000 is even CLOSE to being correct, then holy shit.
ReplyDeleteWe did a bad thing.
Thats so many people.
ReplyDeleteI hope we never get "liberated".
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump is on Donny Deutche, Trump just said
ReplyDelete1) We need to get out of Iraq, IRAQ IS A "TOTAL DIASTER"
2) BUSH SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH INCOMPETENT PEOPLE
3) CONDI RICE IS INCOMPETENT, SHE FLIES ALL OVER THE WORLD TALKING TO PEOPLE, AND NOTHING GETS DONE, NOTHING IS EVER ACCOMPLISHED
4) RUMMY IS A TOTAL DISASTER, COMPLETELY INCOMPETENT.
5) The country is not behind Bush and doesnt have faith in his leadership, it has never been so divisive or filled with hatred, aftere 9/11 the whole world was behind us and Bush turned it arounf and we are hated by the world.
Donald Trump
thats sad Worf, that number could hit 1 million if the civil war escalates.
ReplyDeleteDonald Trump- the next person who comes to power in iraq will make Saddam Hussein look like a Nice guy thanks to Bush's incompetent Blunder.
ReplyDeleteThe Dems have to win the Senate, no one could POSSIBLY support the repugs after the complete mess theve made of things, everything is a mess, not just iraq or Foley, they ruin everything they touch.
ReplyDeleteSad Mike? My dog dying was sad. 655,000 people dead is a global tragedy.
ReplyDelete655,000 people dying is a holocaust.
I know what you meant, I am just saying, damn. We are talking about genocide.
Sorry. Thats the first I've heard that figure, and it just clobbered me.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised the international community has sat still this long.
ReplyDeleteBush's war. More than half a million people dead, because Bush had thought he knew better than everyone else.
Son of a bitch.
Worf, I hate to say this because 'm just as appalled and disgusted as you about what has and is still going on, but I have a feeling when the Dems take controll of congress and the hearings and investigations start we will all be horrified at what comes out because it can no longer be classified or surpressed, I am sure what we are hearing now is only the tip of the iceberg, Bush and his cronnies need to be tried for war crimes and treason, and all the damage he has done to our Constitution, freedom and our nternational reputation needs to be repaired.
ReplyDeleteSo BG your military is as broken as ours is, have they lowered standards so convicted felons, older people and "ex"-drug abusers can join now also?
ReplyDeleteThe Cynicism of Christianism
ReplyDeleteThe use and abuse of religion is at the core of the corruption of the current Republican party. I know I've been saying this for a while now, but here's someone who knows it from the inside. David Kuo worked for the Bush administration's Office of Faith-Based Initiatives from 2001 to 2003. Like John DiIulio, he realized eventually that it was all about politics and using the faith of evangelicals to maintain the political power of Republicans. Money quote:
[Kuo] says some of the nation's most prominent evangelical leaders were known in the office of presidential political strategist Karl Rove as 'the nuts.'
"National Christian leaders received hugs and smiles in person and then were dismissed behind their backs and described as 'ridiculous,' 'out of control,' and just plain 'goofy,'" Kuo writes.
More seriously, Kuo alleges that then-White House political affairs director Ken Mehlman knowingly participated in a scheme to use the office, and taxpayer funds, to mount ostensibly 'nonpartisan' events that were, in reality, designed with the intent of mobilizing religious voters in 20 targeted races.
According to Kuo, "Ken loved the idea and gave us our marching orders." Among those marching orders, Kuo says, was Mehlman's mandate to conceal the true nature of the events.
Kuo quotes Mehlman as saying, "... [I]t can't come from the campaigns. That would make it look too political. It needs to come from the congressional offices. We'll take care of that by having our guys call the office [of faith-based initiatives] to request the visit."
Memo to faithful evangelicals: you get entangled with Caesar and you'll regret it. Conflate politics with religion and you do mortal damage to both.
BG, the same is going on here at college campuses,they bring motorcycles and helicopters, and do everything they can to attract attention they even force and/or accept people with drug, alcohol or psychological problems with the offer o avoiding jail.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if the rich would support this war if
1) their kids were dying or being permanently injured or disabled
2) if they had to pay for the war by giving back their big tax cut from Bush.
Sorry BG, but I just don't see what Monica had to do with the Presidency.
ReplyDeleteLast time I checked, a Presidents personal sexual life is no ones business but his, and his wifes.
I don't abide busy body's, and unless Monica was a minor, then he had every right to lie to a nosy gossiping public.
Every right.
I'd have told everyone to fuck off if it had been me.
When they asked me under oath if I had put my penis in her mouth, I would've said no, but I did put it in your mommas.
ReplyDeleteReal simple British Gary, ther secret service did not have to stop Hillary from braining Bill, so it is NOBODY elses business, but the hypocritical repugs and the "religious" leaders who kneepad to them are way OFF base when they claim that ground, especially after trying to pass off the Foley scandal. Their reaction to this scandal is PROOF of the Hypocrites they all are.
ReplyDeleteSorry for my lewdness, but imagine how Bill Clinton felt? I mean, when did the "Scarlet Letter" society take over?
ReplyDeleteWhen did consensual sex between two adults become the governments business, or the publics for that matter?
How in Gods name was ANYONE wronged by Bill Clintons private affair with Monica Lewinsky, other than his family? Huh?
How?
It was NO ONES BUSINESS, but the self righteous pious hypocrites sought to exploit it, and made it their business, costing the taxpayer MILLIONS and MILLIONS to investigate something that impacted NONE OF US.
Pious hypocrites are the ugliest of all humans.
exactly, what clinton did was not anyone's busines but himself, his wife and monica, while it might not have been moral to commit adultry, it was certainly not illegal, and at this point since many of us particularly politicians are far from perfect, I will take a smart president who occasionally has a small lapse of moral judgement with another consenting adult of legal age to a stupid president with no conscience or morals who defies the constitution and any law he doesnt agree with and who commits illegal act after illegal act that compromises our safety, our freedoms and democracy, our military supremacy and has the blood of close to approaching 1 million people on his hands with his illegal war of choice, and his penchant for torture.
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteI disagree in part is because he had this sexual encounter in the WH.
So? You've never tasted a luv biscuit at work?
You've never slipped into the copy room with the receptionist for a little thumb wrestling match?
Give me a break.
If we are going to be a prude society of snooping busy bodies and gossips, then fine, point me to the exit and I'm outa here.
In the meantime, lets all admit humans are sexual creatures, and personal business, personal matters between two adults, are their business and their business alone.
If Clinton was throwing orgies with midgets in the China Room I could care less, as long as he was getting his work done.
ReplyDeleteWorf, he did lie about it - but the DNA on the blue dress ruined his scheme.
ReplyDeleteThis was a sexual harrassement suit brought by Paula Jones. She had every right to sue on that basis, and her attorneys had every right to ask him if he had had other dalliances with staff, to prove whether this was his pattern or "signature," and he lied there as well (both under oath and to a federal judge). If you ask me, he got what he deserved. If want to play around with the staff, just hope and pray they don't sue. For someone who others laud as be being so smart, he was pretty stupid to lie when his lie might be exposed.
In addition, what does this say for women's rights in the workplace when their hero wanted to trample on the rights of Paula Jones.
Worf, if you ever get into the same jam, I hope you don't follow your own advice and commit perjury.
BTW, Air America just filed chapter 11. How pitiful.
Hey, Larry, any luck in finding my IP address like you promised two days ago?
On the other hand a President who takes a vacation every other week is a public concern, yet the persnickity public (or should I say "pubic"?) is more concerned about 15 minutes of afternoon delight in the Oval Office, than they are with a President who seldom bothers to show up for work.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you BG, that having an afair in the WH was a lapse of judgement, it is on a whole different plane from the repugs defending, covering for and enabling a child molestor that preys on children just so they can cling to power.
ReplyDeleteInbred Hypocrite said;
ReplyDeleteWorf, he did lie about it - but the DNA on the blue dress ruined his scheme.
So what you inbred backwater self righteous pious busybody?
So freaking what.
Like I said, if you'd asked me under oath whether I put my cock in her mouth, I would've told you no, but your mom seemed to like it.
You strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel pal.
ReplyDeleteYou and all the busy bodie pious hypocrites can burn in hell for a thousand years for all I care.
And as for Paula Jones?
ReplyDeleteGive me a break.
She was a money grubbing tramp, who put out for gain, then was pissed when she realized he wasn't divorcing Brun Hilda.
Idiot.
Clinton was NEVER convicted of doing anything to Paula jones you lying troll, you are a dumb as dirt hippocrite who quibble about Nixon resigning to avoid impeachment but throw out an allegation against Clinton that he was never convicted of.........crawl back under your rock troll, and dont you worry about your IP........YET!!!!
ReplyDeleteWorfeus TT is MAD because Bill was getting a blowjob from a grown woman while the GOP had to resort to chasing pages.........LOL
ReplyDeleteGary YOU DO NOT GET IT, Hillary made peace with it . And IT IS NOBODY ELSES BUSINESS,
ReplyDeleteNOBODY else includes you.
Paula Jones now thats a credible source, didnt she box Tonya Harding on Pay Per View because she was willing to do anything or anyone for money. BTW, didnt the blond bubblehead moron Coulter also represent Paula Jones.......yeah there wasno biasor conflict of interest there, that suit was also allegedly funded by Scaife.
ReplyDeleteMoral to WHO BG?
ReplyDeleteI mean, when did we become a totalitarian Christian "scarlet letter" society?
Who defines morality?
Sex is a personal matter, and only those who base their morality on biblical or other scriptural reference seem to have a problem with it.
I don't care where he was, IT is between Hillary and Bill, and of course Monica. and TT your just a repug hypocrite, and come Noivermber you have ALOT to worry about.
ReplyDeleteSpeaker Pelosi for one son.
whats the matta Troll Tex running away so soon when your hippocritical BS gets shot down by the truth or did you get an IM from Mark Foley or an under age boy?
ReplyDeleteAnd the house judiciary committee with Chairman John Coyners for TWO,
ReplyDeleteEnjoy the NEW year a commin boy.
the repugs are just jealous and upset because the only way they can get a BJ from a woman (not an under age boy) is to pay for it!
ReplyDeleteThe froggmarching will be quite refreshing........
ReplyDeleteThe GOP will look good in orange jumpsuits.
You assclowns should adopt it as a party color so you can claim it is just a make over, not really all convictions.
The New years song will be
ReplyDelete"Bye Bye the Repuglican Lie."
clif said...
ReplyDeleteI don't care where he was, IT is between Hillary and Bill, and of course Monica.
AMEN Clif!
Who CARES? As long as he gets his work done, who cares?
Bush on the other hand doesn't even do his job. Doesn't that strike anyone as IMMORAL?
Remember in "Dirty Harry, Magnum Force", when Clint Eastwood said to his partner, "If they could shoot like that I wouldn't care if the entire police force was queer for each other".?
ReplyDeleteRemember that line? We all laughed. Why? Because it rings true.
Serious men and women are not concerned with human sexuality, as long as it does not involve minors.
Serious men and women are concerned with one thing, and one thing alone.
Getting the job done.
655,000 people didnt die as a result of Clintons optionalchoices either and just think about this if 655,000 are dead, can you even imagine how many are severely injured or permanently disabled.
ReplyDeleteAnd Bill Clinton got the job done.
ReplyDeleteBush on the other hand rarely shows up for work at all.
And when he does, the results are worse than if he hadn't.
Mike said;
ReplyDeleteand just think about this if 655,000 are dead, can you even imagine how many are severely injured or permanently disabled.
MILLIONS.
BTW, Worfeus how is the news they found a court record about an arrest record for George Felix Allen from 73-74 time frame for possibly stuffing a dears head in a African-Americans mailbox going over in Virginia?
ReplyDeletesay what you want about Clinton, but he was a smart man and a good man, and if he was president today we would not be in such a mess, the world would not be in such a mess,Clinton would not have ruined our reputation and made the world a much more dangerous place, a presidents job is creating sound policy and providing strong leadership, Bush has not created any sound policy and is the most divisive dividing and polarizing force inspriring worldwide hatred I have EVER SEEN!
ReplyDeleteClinton, in some respects, is a total idiot. Just a few years after the OJ trial which showcased DNA, he ejaculates all over Monica's blue dress and thinks that his DNA is special. Moron
ReplyDeleteTT, in ALL respects, is a total idiot.
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteAs for nobody else's business, because he brought his affair to WORK with him, he gave far greater ammunition to the far right who used it to demonise him,
Sorry gary it was NOT their business, and they should have kept their nosesd out of Bill's private lives and 16 year ols boys crotches.
unfairly try to impeach him and following this debacle Al Gore only just won the election by a wafer thin majority. Then the repugs steal the election via the supreme court then go to war, drag my country into the war because of our 'special relationship' and now I'm at war. A war i never wanted, marched against in London and am still fighting. That blowjob was the first domino that toppled ever greater ones.
and the rest of this is just proof it was NOT their business, especially after they hypocritical wayt they treated a true threat to society, a child predator they coddled for YEARS.
And TT shows HIS hypocrisy daily, here because he still wants to be jealous about a blowjob he didn't get. He just is jealous of the person Bill is and Georgie will NEVER be, a truly competent politician who actually does good for the country not just his cronies and sycophantic clown posse. TT has NO Morals at all other wise he would not be trying to divert attention to the ONBLY thing he has. A consensual sex act between tow adults. To divert attention from the FACT that at least one and possibly two repugs were diddling 16 year old pages, and the rest of the GOP coddled them and HID the facts from everybody else.
ReplyDeleteEjaculator said...
ReplyDeleteClinton, in some respects, is a total idiot.
You in ALL respects, are an idiot.
Good day, Bob Ney pleaded GUILTY today, first repug congressman in the Abramoff scandal to fall, too bad for them their is an even worse scandal to divert attention, so he has refused to resign yet, and Denny (the cover up of child predators) Hastert does not have the political capital to force him out yet. Must suck to be a clown in a position he has no clue how to manage the numerous scandals that surround the repugs today.
ReplyDeletes Nancy Pelosi as speaker of the House Sound, when SHE starts to clean up all the repugs scandals Denny Hastert has IGNORED?
ReplyDeleteBritish Gary said...
ReplyDeleteI guess we have to ask ourselves, "do we want certain codes of conduct while at work?"
That all sounds well and good, but this is the White House, not Walmart.
We just don't belong poking around in a Presidents personal life too much, as long as he is not breaking any laws.
And last time I checked, oral sex between two consenting adults, breaks no laws whatsoever.
On the other hand, Bush has broken dozens of laws, including the ones to which he swore allegiance.
British Gary said...
ReplyDeleteif Bush had a blowjob in the WH from Ann Coulter, would you all insist it's none of your business or would you demand Bush's resignation?
Am I not being clear here or something?
Absolutely I would insist it was none of our business!
NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
In fact, I'd applaud it.
ReplyDeleteA blow job is just what this guys needs to get his brain working again.
No son I am not being inconsistent, we have different ideas of what MORAL means.
ReplyDeleteI do not try to fit others in my world view, and Hillary IS the only person who can say it was Immoral, because if she and Bill have an OPEN marriage, then Bill committed no sin, because it is not for me to judge.
So if Bill was decrying others for actions he was committing then I would have a problem, but that is not the case, but the opposite, the repugs were the ones who were being HYPOCRITES, Bob Livingston, who resigned from the house when it was exposed he did what he attacked Bill for. Henry Hyde who did the same before Bill destroyed a marriage because of it, but went ahead to attack Bill with out being HONEST about his own actions.
that is why Jesus stated yea with out the sin....which repug hypocrites totally ignored.
They were throwing a lot of stones with out the moral base to do so.
Of course, when Bush sees that Adams Apple on her, he might freak out, but still.
ReplyDeleteBG, I know you're a good guy, and I believe you have the right intentions, but morality when it comes to sexuality, is subjective.
ReplyDeleteYour "morals" are clearly based on typical judeo-christian morality, and thats fine.
But there are plenty of people that have different morals when it comes to sexuality.
There are some morals that are absolute. But sexuality between two consenting adults is not among them.
And then there were two? The Justice Department is "looking into allegations" relating to a rafting trip that Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-AZ) took with two Congressional pages in 1996.
ReplyDelete-- Paul Kiel
This could break the Foley scandal wide open, because if a second repug congressman was guilty of Foley's illegalk activities of going after minors, then the cover-up is gonna haunt them for a LONG LONG time.
And this gives the repugs less of an out because Foley wanted to retire like Kolbe, because both knew the scandal would haunt them all year and could break at any time.
Too bad for the repugs KKKarl played for one too many seats!
EH TINY?
When I was a young man, we had a "new morality" here in the states.
ReplyDeleteIt was propogated with the saying "Make Love, Not WAR".
And personally, I find THAT morality to be vastly superior to anything I have seen since.
Federal prosecutors in Arizona have opened a preliminary investigation of a camping trip Congressman Jim Kolbe, R-Ariz., took 10 years ago that included two teenage congressional pages, a Justice Department spokesman told NBC News.
ReplyDeleteA spokesman for the Justice Department in Washington said that the U.S. attorney in Arizona has started a "preliminary assessment" of the trip, after an unidentified source made allegations about the congressman's behavior on the expedition. . . .
One participant, who requested anonymity, said he was uncomfortable with the attention Kolbe paid to one of the former pages. He was "creeped out by it," he said, adding that there was a lot of "fawning, petting and touching" on the teenager's arms, shoulders and back by Kolbe. . . .
Kolbe's office issued a statement to NBC News denying that anything improper had happened. "The rafting trip back in 1996 consisted of five current staff, two former pages, and his sister," a spokeswoman for Kolbe said. "There is absolutely no basis and no truth to any [allegations of] inappropriate behavior."
Looks like the fat lady is gonna sing a funeral dirge for the repugs desire of perpetual power.
British Gary said...
ReplyDeleteWorf, I honestly think most Dems would not have the same opinion as you if Bush had a blowjob with a mistress in private,
Then you don't know most dems here in the states.
British Gary said...
ReplyDeleteA greater immoral act does not excuse a lesser.
Once again we're back to defining morality.
Your morality is not everyones morality.
If you base your morality on Judeo-Christian values, then thats your morality.
Not everyone does, and therefore, calling a BJ, even if it is "adulterous" by your standards.
Gary we have not the problem with the actions of people if they are consistant, and Bill never played the morality card like the hypocrites in the GOP had done. I for one think the warning by Jesus was as much about not being a hypocrite, a word HE used many times, NOT the act of sin, which he understood we as humans would time to time fall prey to. It was not the sin but the hypocritical reaction of others guilty of the same that drew his Anger.
ReplyDeleteAnd I might point out also BG, that what modern Christians call adultery, was referred to in earlier times in the very bible from which they preach, as "having concubines".
ReplyDeleteMen of power in the Bible often had numerous "concubines", and enjoyed sexual affairs on a scale that would humble John Holmes.
As I keep saying, attributing your version of morality to others is a losing battle. Morality is subjective, which is why peoples sexual affairs, as long as they are with adults, should be left to the involved parties.
And remember, the Christian new testament also condemns "GOSSIP".
ReplyDeleteClif said;
ReplyDeleteIt was not the sin but the hypocritical reaction of others guilty of the same that drew his Anger.
Exactly!
When the self righteous townsfolk brought a women caught in the act of adultery to Jesus for ritual stoning, he instead put the attention BACK on them.
He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone was the terse reply, and their guilt caused them all to shrink away in utter shame.
Christ was not preoccupied with sexual transgression. In fact, he practically ignored it.
Instead he focused on on what he called, the "weighter matters of the law", like justice, mercy and faith.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteWorf, I like to think my morality is based on my culture and the codes of conduct I've signed at work.
Yes, but like I said, we're talking about the White House, not Walmart.
Clinton didn't sign anything that said he couldn't be fondled by an intern, and I might point out that Monica admitted she "pushed herself" on him.
If someone with tits that big wanted to polish my schlong, I'd have a hard time saying no too.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one BG.
I see where you're coming from, and if you are an atheist as you claim, then fine, but using words like "SIN" shows clearly your Judeo\Christian upbringing.
We all are influenced by Judeo-Christian values, and it shows in all of our communications.
But on this one I have to disagree with you.
What Clinton did in the White House, was his job. He arrived before Bush is done dreaming about waterboarding John Kerry, and he leaves when Bush is already opening a beer and kicking Barney in the ass.
Clinton did his job.
The 15 minutes he took out of it to let Monica hob his nob, is irrelevant, insiginificant, and only matters because people want it to matter.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteBill, before his altercation, would NOT have said it's OK for a President to have a blowjob in the WH. He is very intelligent and would have known that was wrong.
Gary YOU do not KNOW this, he might not have admitted it publically, but by his actions he thought it was OK for Him to do it, so I have to think you do not know as much as you claim.
Because it is the actions NOT the words which reveal what we really think.
BG said:
ReplyDeleteBill DID commit a sin because he would have been subject to a code of conduct expected of staff in the WH.
No son he copuld not be charge with any violations of the LAW because he was not impeached, and if the Hypoicritical sycophants in the House thought for a minute they could have charged Bill with a code which does NOT applty to HIM they would have.
Bill was NOT staff, think about it for a minute, and you will understand it, staff serves at the pleasure of the president, and he IS the president, he serves at the pleasure of the vote of the citizens based on the constitution.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteI'm stating there is an AGREED level of morality in society that is defined by codes of conduct while at work.
No Gary there IS NOT, as all the different standards all over the world attest to.
I understand also Gary that the publics perception of morality is different than their "mores".
ReplyDeleteThe US public has been shaped over the last 2 centuries by Judeo\Christian values.
Modern Judeo\Christian values I might add.
And therefore, to subject Judeo\Christian morality, to a Federal office, to me is dangerous, and wrong. And it is a slippery slope.
JFK had sex with many women in the White House. They even had orgies.
But today he is still one of the most well loved, and well respected Presidents in US history.
Clintons blow job will mean something, as long as we LET IT mean something.
And btw BG. Personally, I see adultery as a sin, and wrong, based on my own Judeo\Christian morality.
ReplyDeleteI also see the distinction between that, and the reality of the role of a world leader, and the two aren't even in the same ballpark.
Leave the personal sins to the sinner, and judge leaders on how they LEAD.
Not how they "knead".
:D
Anyway its good to see you here BG.
ReplyDeleteI missed you now that I am permanently banned from ThinkProgess.
I always enjoy our discussions.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteSo in America you don't have codes of conduct while at work?
Yes. And most people break them every day without getting fired.
And besides, like I said. This is the White House, not Walmart.
ReplyDeleteI don't think they handed Clinton a memo that said, no oogling the secretaries, no smoking in mural room, and no feet on Roosevelts desk.
ReplyDeleteGary you are PROJECTING your values. And it is wrong,
ReplyDeleteIt is the problem we have with most reichwingnut christians, they project THEIR view of the world and DEMAND every body toe their lines. Jesus denied them THAT RIGHT. He demanded people fix their OWN problems NOT others. The log in the eye is ONE example, and the don't throwe stones is another. You are sublimilally accepting their base assumption, that we all have to accept somebodies elses version of MORALITY. That is Just not the case, and I REJECT it out of hand. I must come to grips with MY own moral code, and I believe lying to get us into a war is MUCH more immoral than any BLOWJOB ever was or ever will be.
BG said;
ReplyDeletestaff serves at the pleasure of the president
Then I'd say Monica "served" at his "pleasure" quite well, wouldn't you?
:D
Clif said;
ReplyDeleteThe log in the eye is ONE example,
Or the spoooge in the eye.
:D
For those of you who claim to be Christians here, the Ten Commandments were not the "Ten Suggestions."
ReplyDeleteNotwithstanding any religious proscriptions, Worf says that no laws were broken. That may be, but when you are a defendant in a civil suit, you must answer questions truthfully in depositions.
Clinton CHOSE to lie. No one made him lie. He chose to. Why? He answered that in his own book: because he thought he could. Well, he was wrong. He didn't count on that stained blue dress with his DNA on it.
Being president does not give rise to immunity from a civil action, nor does it give the president the right to commit sexual harrassement and immunize himself from legal process.
(That said, a sitting president cannot be indicted, but this was a matter of civil law, not criminal law. [That's why Nixon was named as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Watergate matter.])
"clif said...
ReplyDeleteNo son he copuld not be charge with any violations of the LAW because he was not impeached..."
Once again, you and Mike are truly the Axis of Stupid. Clinton WAS impeached. Get it through your thick head.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteAnd Bill was not above the law - the same laws that I know are in America via codes of conduct for everyone else. Or do you think the President can behave however he likes? One rule for us, another for a President? I disagree with you.
Yes Bill was above the law, OUR constitution places him there, and ONLY impeachment can bring him BACK. with out it he can NOT be prosecuted. I know this is a legal statement, but it is the fact that you can NOT get arround, nor could the repugs in 1998.
Unless he was impeached and removed from office he was not found guilty.
You are projecting your personal beliefs into this situation just as the reichwingnuts did in 1997-1998, and continue to do today. If I can demand you live by MY moral code, I have upsurped the role Chrisy in forming your spiritual being, I have denied you the right to accept or reject what you believe and replaced it with MY views. This is indoctrination which I do not believe is correct for any personal journey. You must follow the law, but in matters which are purely MORAL in aspects, it is UP to yopu to decide, I have NO right to judge you for what you believe, just if you break the law.
And Bill broke NO laws the US senate said so, much to the dismay of FOOLES like Tiny..
CFY TT, clinton was NOT convicted and thus NOT GUILTY BY order of the US SENATE.
ReplyDeleteTHUS in the eyes of the UNITED STATES GOVERNATE as DIRECTED BY the SENATE Bill Clinton is NOT GUILTY.
RIGHT TINY asswipe.
Bill Clinton was impeached by a bunch of assclowns who NOW protect child predators.
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ReplyDeleteBill Clinton gets Blowjobs from grown women,
ReplyDeleterepugs hate that but protect child predators.
REAL moral bunch of HYPOCRITES you got there son.
It's bad for Bill to get a BLOWJOB from a grown woman, but the proitect a man who gets them from a child?
ReplyDeleteMust suck to be a stupid repug who clings to their glory of a failed bid to throw Bill out of office, because their IDIOT is SO incompetent, that the world laughs at him, and Kim Jong Il just thumbs his nose at him. and Georgie has to ask the UN to do something because he BROKE the military and has it bound up in a fiasco he has NO clue about, so DADDY send in Jimmy Baker to save the DAYT again, Bush must hate the fact that at 60 his dad is still trying to clean up HIS messes.
ReplyDeleteI am trying to make a point here, and I hope its not lost.
ReplyDeleteThe point is simple.
Jesus came because people were letting the letter of the law overtake the spirit of the law.
They were more concerned with focusing on the personal matters of others, that had nothing to do with them, then they were about the important matters, which require attention every day.
In his words, they "strained at a gnat, and swallowed a camel".
By trying to even classify Clintons actions, we are focusing on something that matters neither one jot, nor the tinest tittle.
We would do well to dismiss this 15 minutes of an 8 year Presidency, and turn all of our attention to the mass murder being committed in our own names right now, this very moment, by a man who is as evil and corrupt a man who has ever occupied the Oval Office.
Monica's the gnat.
ReplyDeleteBush is the camel.
Clif, you said he was not impeached, but he was. Are you suffering from dementia?
ReplyDeleteI'll bet Dead EYE wishes he had gone with Dan Quayle after all and ignored the Idiot from Texas, No not you Tiny the other idiot from Texas
ReplyDeleteOh God. Here we go again.
ReplyDeleteTT.
Everyone knows the House Impeached Clinton.
Ok lamebrain?
Can we go back to current events now?
"WORFEUS said...
ReplyDeleteOh God. Here we go again.
TT.
Everyone knows the House Impeached Clinton"
Everyone except Mike and Clif.
Once more,
ReplyDeleteMonica's the gnat.
Bush is the camel.
And if MY Dad had to pull my ass out of the mess I created as pResident, it would SUCK> BIG TIME, after all what is gonna be Bush's legacy(after worst president ever) his daddy knew enough people to clean up another of the idiots messes? Even the ones he created as pResient?
ReplyDeleteGary READ the US constitution, and you will see that Bush can not be prosectuted unless he is IMPEACHED and CONVICTED by the senate, thus he IS abovew the law as long as this is NOT accomplished, after 2001 they repugs knew they HAD NO case, and NEVER tried, because thery knew they would LOSE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ReplyDelete"clif said...
ReplyDeleteGary READ the US constitution, and you will see that Bush can not be prosectuted unless he is IMPEACHED and CONVICTED by the senate, thus he IS abovew the law as long as this is NOT accomplished, after 2001 they repugs knew they HAD NO case, and NEVER tried, because thery knew they would LOSE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:07 PM"
It's not so simple Clif. The Cheif Executive is partially immune from criminal prosecution, but not immune from civil action or congressional action (such as impeachment or removal).
Thats what he just said bozo.
ReplyDeleteBritish Gary you miss the BOAT again Not all people see it as IMMORAL if Hillary had NO problem with it, and she made peace with it YEARS ago, only repug sycophants want to drag it foward, so they have SOMETHING to ward off the truths of protercting a child predator, and possibly TWO.
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteI agree but qualified by the following: as long as Bill's immoral behaviour is acknowledged as immoral for what it was and not defended.
Sure. By YOUR morality.
Not mine.
BG (who is starting to sound an awful lot like Johnny Moo Moo said)
ReplyDeleteDo you think it's right that the President is above the law?
Clinton didn't BREAK the law since the US, thank God, has no laws against blow jobs (except in some of our more inbred counties), so the question is moot.
Clif, if it was not immoral, admittedly a subjective standard, why was Clinton clutching a Bible in the aftermath of of the scandal, a book in which it is commanded that "Thou shalt not commit adultery"?
ReplyDeleteEither he believed what he held out as the word of God, or he didn't.
Gary go HERE
ReplyDeleteTiny conscienceinTexan(who supports those who protect child predators) said:
ReplyDeletewhy was Clinton clutching a Bible in the aftermath of of the scandal,
I do not know numbnuts...why are you so stupid, I do not know that either.
BG. Here is a link to ALL of our Federal documents FOLLOW ME.
ReplyDeleteHands across the water and all that.
I for one do not believe the BIBLE is the exact "word of GOD" as it has been EDITTED too many times, was the first edit the word or did humans have to edit it to get it right?
ReplyDelete"WORFEUS said...
ReplyDeleteBG (who is starting to sound an awful lot like Johnny Moo Moo said)
Do you think it's right that the President is above the law?
Clinton didn't BREAK the law since the US, thank God, has no laws against blow jobs (except in some of our more inbred counties), so the question is moot.
1:19 PM"
He may not have broken a criminal law, but he is subject to civil action for workplace harrassement, just like the rest of us.
Paul Jones tried to assert her rights in that regard, and feminists like Gloria Steinhem denounced her for asserting the very rights they fought for. How very comical.
British Gary said...
ReplyDelete"Sure. By YOUR morality. Not mine."
No, by the moral standards set down in law according to codes of conduct while at work
Whose WORK?
You mean there is some universal code of conduct of every place of business in England?
Here in the "Free" Colonies, we embrace a much broader workplace environment, where corporate officers are free to define their own codes of conduct when it comes to consenual matters.
Many businesses discourage workplace relationships. Others fire for them, and yet others encourage them.
ReplyDeleteIt all depends on the environment.
For example, if you ever wander across the pond, and stop in the great state of Nevada, you will find a legal and licensed, tax paying all American business, that ENCOURAGES blow jobs in the workplace.
ReplyDeleteThat business is called the Mustang Ranch, and they are one of the states most successful firms.
Looks like some repugs are getting MAD, sorry for your luck to hitch you little wagon to the party of corrupt child predators.
ReplyDeleteAnd the party who actually has leaders who call christofacsists NUTS, when they are not around.
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteHe may not have broken a criminal law, but he is subject to civil action for workplace harrassement, just like the rest of us
Ok, you're losing me now buddy, cause that is just an out and out decietful thing to say.
Calling a HORNY woman, climbing on a HORNY man, and PERFORMING ORAL SEX ON HIM, "sexual harrassment" makes me think you are not the British Gary I know.
Because that statement is beneath him.
Women were, and still are attracted to Bill Clinton.
ReplyDeleteThat drives republicans crazy.
Why it appears to bother you I don't know, but I am starting to think you are not who you say you are.
Clif.
I smell a moo moo.
The party who has TWO convicted felons. The same time they were covering up for a child predator ot TWO.
ReplyDeleteCliff said
ReplyDelete"You are sublimilally accepting their base assumption, that we all have to accept somebodies elses version of MORALITY. That is Just not the case, and I REJECT it out of hand."
OUTSTANDING CLIFF......!!!!!
Finally my efforts are paying off.
Once again....
There are billions of people who each possess their own version of how they feel the trains should run on time.
Attempting to finding a sensible solution or acceptable scenario for billions of different meatheads, in an attempt to keep mankind content, is virtually impossible and unrealistic.
The answer is........there is no answer....PERIOD.
Thus, sometimes I laugh as I witness individuals seeking the perfect solution...... I know deep in my heart one can never.... and I mean never, be found.
Therefore, whats our purpose in life when we are simply running in circles seeking an ultimate answer that doesnt exist?
ANYONE?
There will always be war.....period!
Nevertheless, sexual harrasment infuriates me. However a part of me says Clintons escapades are between himself and his wife only.
Had he grabbed the girl forcefully, then thats our business.
Location is irrelevant.
dippy said...
ReplyDeleteThats why Las Vegas is SIN CITY, asshole. It's where all the perverts are!
No son, the repugs had some in congress too, remember FOLEY?
Johnny InCognito said...
ReplyDeleteNo it's not, the question is extremely important as I'd rather have the most powerful man in the world under the rule of law for transparent reasons.
So you're saying it's a good thing blowjobs aren't aginst the law while at work for a president, but I and everyone I work with it is?
What the fuck are you talking about?
No I mean seriously, what the fuck are you talking about?
I don't know where you live Mr Slappy Cornwallace, but here in the free states, it is not "against the law" to perform oral sex at work.
We have no laws saying that if two people slip into the janitors closet for a quicky, that the MORAL POLICE will haul them off to jail.
You sure you're not time travelling back from the 16th century or something?
ReplyDeleteDo you guys like, put people in the stocks and throw shit at them still?
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteThey are not my policies but I happen to agree with them, blowjobs at WORK are immoral and unprofessional.
Unprofessional, perhaps, depending on your profession.
Immoral is clearly subjective, and your fervor in clinging to it, and demanding that I adopt your clearly Judeo-Christian morals is quite telling indeed.
Hey Clippy! I thought you spilled a Molson on you computer or something?
ReplyDeleteGood to know your alive.
Sorry son, Foley is JUST the lated HYPOCRITICAL repug to be outed for what he really is, somebody who says ONE thing, but does another, the repug party mantra if the last 25 years is any guide.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, I think I'll ask the plant watering lady to come in here and blow me right now.
ReplyDeleteJust out of spite.
BG
ReplyDeleteIm impressed with your valid points and staunch attitude.
Johnny moo moo said...
ReplyDeleteBG
Im impressed with your valid points and staunch attitude.
We always knew you were a narcissist.
BG
ReplyDeleteCetainly you agree we have our own version of prayer?
One does not need illusion to propell silent HOPE.
Johnny your as tired as Tiny in your sycophantry, and almost as dumb.
ReplyDeleteClippy said
ReplyDelete"Women in the workplace deserve respect from men, and not to be called "HONEY" or "SWEETIE"."
100% AGREED!
Although, same applies to men too.
Oh nooooooooooo, Cliff. Not your vision of a lobotomized world that lacks human emotion or feeling.
ReplyDeleteYour contradicting yourself Captain?
Cliff
ReplyDeleteYour not going to debate me on your wacky, infinite hope, analogy again are you.
I crushed you the last time.
Cool BG
ReplyDeleteTT posted an EXCELLENT analogy many months ago simiiiar to your 2:00 pm post.
I will not hate repubs coz someone says I should......Im very impressed with the civilty of my associates.
Funny Johnny CALLS the trolls HIS associates, quite telling there BOY>quite telling indeed.
ReplyDeleteBritish Gary a debate about atehism is part of what this blog is about, Lydia would have NO problem if you express your views, as she is OPEN minded to hearing ALL views.
ReplyDeleteFunny the MSM drags out Jefferson from La every time they talk about the REPUG CULTURE of CORRUPTION.
ReplyDeleteIt is like comparing a bank robber to the MAFIA>jefferson is sort of a bank robber, but the repugs act JUST like the mafia in their heavy handed, collisional workings.
BG said;
ReplyDeleteBut it's different for a President because he is expected to be professional by a different set of moral standards. And Bill broke them.
Broke them?
Then what did JFK do?
Massacre them?
The only reason Clintons personal affair mattered is because right wing witchhunters made it mean something.
And The IRS and FBI are begining to look into Grover Noequist, the LAST of the repug sycophants who hid behind a slew of one room phone numberonly "grassroots" organisations to DUPE people many of them the very people Karl Rove called NUTS> and Ralph Reed LIED to.
ReplyDeleteHi, Johnny! I don't remember the analogy from two months ago, but thanks for the kind words.
ReplyDeleteBG said
ReplyDelete"Also, I got kicked off TP for doing this, I offended a lot of people yet inspired a few others."
Thus offending someones version....LOL!
WEAK.....very weak.
If I were weak, I would ban Lydia for her views.
Despite our differences, and her bumming me out a few times, I must give Lydia excellent credit for her attempts at allowing true freedom of speech.
With the exception of smelly feet that is....LOL!
Dont worry about it BG....trust me.
She has learned from me and I from her.
Shes smarter than that.
TT said
ReplyDelete'Hi, Johnny! I don't remember the analogy from two months ago, but thanks for the kind words."
Surely you jest TT? If there was any post on here that offered mankind hope, it was yours.
Dont you remember? I insisted Lil Miss moo mooo read it?
oh look Johnny troll trollis insulting people with his alias's again.
ReplyDeleteBG, Lydia would never ban you, you always are respectfuland add an interesting perspective to the debate, even when we do not agree.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think I remember now. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteBritish Gary said...
ReplyDeleteSince when did two wrongs make a right? You are attempting to sanitise an immoral act by comparing it to greater acts of immorality.
No.
You are attempting to define morality for the rest of the world, based on clearly Judeo-Christian teachings, whether you call yourself an atheist or not.
Sexual morality is subjective. For example.The general Judeo-Christian viewpoint is homosexuality is immoral.
Yet its impossible to attribute that "absolute" to others.
Your morality tells you that taking 15 minutes out of your day for a ciggarette is ok, while taking 15 minutes out of your busy day to get a blow job is immoral.
Those are YOUR MORALS.
NOT MINE, and NOT MILLIONS OF OTHERS.
It doesn't bother me one bit if an executive gets a blow job during the day, as long as he gets his job done, and is discrete about it.
Clinton was discrete. Its just women naturally have big mouths, and can't NOT talk about the sex they've had.
BG said
ReplyDelete"you are attempting to sanitise an immoral act by comparing it to greater acts of immorality. No matter how severe or slight, an immoral act remains an immoral act."
Certainly a thinker BG? However, can one certainly say with a clear conscience, that a traffic violation deserves the same respect as a child murderer?
BG said;
ReplyDeleteNo, it mattered because Bill did something that is culturally immoral in America while at WORK, for the type of job he held.
Bullshit.
Everybody knew JFK was tappin Marilyn, and no one gave a crap.
He got the job done, something Bush is wholly incapable of doing.
Worf said "It doesn't bother me one bit if an executive gets a blow job during the day, as long as he gets his job done, and is discrete about it.
ReplyDeleteClinton was discrete. Its just women naturally have big mouths, and can't NOT talk about the sex they've had."
No Worf the Right Wing Machine funded by Scaife and helped by Coulter was plotting and conspiring to "GET" Clinton and they used this as an opportunity.
The FARTHER they fall in this election cycle, the MORE desperate the trolls become, they are multiplying alias, but NOT brains, just desperation.
ReplyDeleteHow about some MORE ignorant trolls, as this group of knee-pad sycophants are so predictable.
They defend a group of politicians that except for their total hold on most investigation avenues would be in PRISON.
Come November that is SURELY gonna change, and these Losers who support that HATE it but can not change it, so they act like the small minded cretins they are and attack with made up personalities and slime but do not have anything of SUBSTANCE to say.
BG said "Worf"Broke them? Then what did JFK do? Massacre them?"
ReplyDeleteSince when did two wrongs make a right? You are attempting to sanitise an immoral act by comparing it to greater acts of immorality. No matter how severe or slight, an immoral act remains an immoral act. Bill shouldn't have done it in a public place."
BG thats what the repugs do is try to justify there wrong doings by pointing out wrongs that a democrat committed decades ago as if that makes what they did ok.
I can understand your point that it is unprofessional and Clinton should not have done it in the white house, but you also must consider if that offense warrants removing a good leader from office who did his job extremely well and created good policies that benefitted everyone, i would say that although he used poor judgement it does not warrant removal from office, and apparently the repug controlled Senate agreed.
Now since Bush's lies and transgressions relate directly to his job and his credibility and competency to do his job and his lies, failed policies and incompetence has resulted in almost a million deaths, has destroyed our military supremacy, compromised our countrys international reputation and made us much less safe, run up a huge deficit and inspired the world to hate us that DOES WARRANT REMOVAL FROM OFFICE.
BTW DOLT air America is NOT off the air, just like a lot of AIR LINES who are in bankrupcy it is STILL FLYING...............son.
ReplyDeleteDolt remember Chrysler? It went into bankrupcy, BTW is it still a makin' cars?
ReplyDeleteBut Worf I agree with you that if an executive is phenomenal at his job and a decent person then I could care less what he does discreetly, thats his business............seems like its always the fools that cant get laid that are so offfended when others have sex.
ReplyDeleteNo problem TT.....I do my best as a moderate: despite inevitable flak.
ReplyDeleteUnlike the greedy repugs who drove ENRON into oblivian, Air America is not gonna die because somebody made a businessd mistake,
ReplyDeleteBTW Bush had THREE, son....
Dolt and Johnny are showing what a bunch of desperate pathetic losers they are,why dont you create a couple more alias's boys all it does is say you admit defeat, you KNOW it will all be over for you loserscome November!
ReplyDeleteOne he even got investigated by the SEC until president daddy covered it all up.
ReplyDeleteJohnny your NOT a moderate, and NOT even a adult, emotionally that is.
ReplyDeleteJohnny troll troll said "No problem TT.....I do my best as a as a slimy blog troll despite everyone KNOWING i am still in the closet!
ReplyDeleteEmotional cripples always hide in some sort of closet MIKE look at the GOP.
ReplyDeleteWhen war comes, moderates are always the ones who end up as collaborators.
ReplyDeleteThe moderates in Iraq are the ones who are collaborating with us right now.
ReplyDeleteAnd they're the ones that are going to get killed when we leave, if we don't do something to stop it.
Today, the Prime Minister of England, our only REAL ally in Iraq, just said hes DONE. FINISHED.
The right can cry all they want, but they're finished, and everyone knows it.
BG, what are you talking about?
ReplyDeleteThe President doesn't sign a "Code of Conduct" saying he won't recieve oral sex in the White House.
Thats a complete fabrication.
And for any employee who does sign a code of conduct, it is certainly not classified as law.
Our laws are not defined by our businesses.
3 repugs resigned from this congress in shame, with Bob Ney's resignation only a formality.
ReplyDeleteDuke Cunningham is in JAIL
Bob Ney went into treatment for being a drunk in congress and is going to jail.(but he has NOT resigned yet).
Mark Foley resigned saying he was a drunk in congress and is a child predator.
Tom Delay resigned and is under investigation.
Not something you would expect from the repugs....NOT
The President takes an oath to Defend the Constitution of the United States of America, not to be chaste.
ReplyDeleteChastity does not come into play in our laws, and since by your own admission you haven't read our constitution, and I have, I think my word as an American trumps yours as a Brit.
Boehner: Dems should be punished at the polls for not reporting our GOP pedophilia sooner.
ReplyDeleteMike everyone was cool until you came along.....grow up!
ReplyDeleteI clearly remember teaching you of the importance of learning from each other despite our differences....thus we educate ourselves.
Even Clippy agreed to this, and we are completely different.
Pay closer attention to British Garys posts.
But I'll tell you what BG.
ReplyDeleteYou produce the US "LAW" in our Constitution that states Chastity is a requirement of a President, and I'll recant.
In the meantime, thats cricket.
BG its interesting to hear your perspective and I agree with your point that what Clinton did was not professional or appropriate but like I said in my 2:58PM post I dont think it warrants removal from office and I also agree with Woprf that if it is done discreetly and doesnt impact the persons job performance or cause a distraction then I have no real problem with it.
ReplyDeleteNow the controversy created by the Reich Wing was a calculated planned conspiracy by the Right wing funded by Scaife to get dirt on Clinton, Clinton was fairlt discreet, when you a have a well funded and well planned conspiracy like that, eventually they will catch you with your pants down or get some dirt on you.
Worfeus GREAT commercial, where people are asking a real bush questions, and the vioce over says OK, your not going to get any answers from this bush, and then they show the Idiot, and the voice over says or this one.
ReplyDeleteWorf said "The President takes an oath to Defend the Constitution of the United States of America, not to be chaste."
ReplyDeleteEXACTLY, defending the Constitution, something Bush called a "Goddamn Piece of Paper" should be the presidents main focus, not torturing people.
BG said
ReplyDelete"Worf "Everybody knew JFK was tappin Marilyn, and no one gave a crap."
Excellent BG!!!
I am an expert on Marilyn. My walls are covered in her pictures.
Thats it..........Im moving to Pitcairn Island.
Right Johnny clippy was started By the FOOLE.
ReplyDeleteJohnny moo moo said...
ReplyDeleteBG said
"Worf "Everybody knew JFK was tappin Marilyn, and no one gave a crap."
Excellent BG!!!
Yea.
Cept BG didn't say it.
I did.
But thanks for the compliment.
Johnny Moo Moo lives in a B grade movie fantasy with his walls covered by posters of s dead hollywood movie star,....real adult we got here folks.
ReplyDeleteActually BG, it would seem Robert Kennedy smoked Maryilyn....she knew too much as he confided in her.
ReplyDeleteLookie Dolty Boy stopped pretending to be somebody else, just like Johnny did eariler.
ReplyDeleteJohnny you're a rube.
ReplyDeleteYou're talking to BG about something I said.
Dope.
Funny you spoeak about morals while you post as MORE than ONE person here DOLTY BOY, isn't that sort of DISHONEST? Thus IMMORAL?
ReplyDeleteMarilyn Monroe was not an employee. Monica was an employee. Paula Jones' attorneys asked if he had had sexual relations with other subordinates to establish a pattern. Big difference from JFK.
ReplyDeleteIf Clinton did Karen Stone in the Oval Office, it still would have dishonored the office of the presidency, but it would not have been relevant Jones' lawsuit.
I agree with BG, two wrongs don't make it a right, but in the Jones case the relevance to the lawsuit was ruled germain by the judge for the purposes of the lawsuit. What Clinton did was not only between him and Hillary, but also Paula Jones. Monica was not a party to that case.
Marilyn and JFK's trysts, while unbecoming, were of no legal moment. Clinton's trysts with Monica were germain.
Your right Worf.....regretably, I must concede.
ReplyDeleteBut a repug with morals is like "tinker bell"...a fantasy which does not exist in reality.
ReplyDeleteBG said;
ReplyDeleteIt is certainly classified as law here -
Like I said. This ain't England.
We have no such laws and you just spent 3 hours arguing with me about laws that we do not have.
No BG, What Clinton did was inappropriate, but that was over a decade ago, and Clinton inappropriately getting a BJ IN NO WAY justifies Bush lyinying us into a war, dismantling the constitution, advocating torture or covering for, protecting and enabling a pedophile, does it........................I agree the president should not be above the law, Clinton was not removed from office 10 years ago, so that issue is moot, I say we deal the the problems of 2006 and that problem is Bush caused close to a million deaths with his lies, he has destroyed our military, put us in debt, backed and enabled a pedophile, and dismantled the Constitution and our personal freedoms he swore to defend, not to mention destroying our international reputatiom, making us much less safe and inspiring the world to hate us...........................THIS DOES WARRANT REMOVAL FROM OFFICE AND NEEDS OUR FOCUS TODAY!
ReplyDeleteUnder contract law a morals clause does give the corporation the rights to fire a employee for violations of it, BUT the US government does not have a morals clause in the election cycle, so If a person does not Violate the law it is not cause for removal.
ReplyDeleteVolt said
ReplyDelete'Society MUST have rules that EVERYONE is expected to follow, ABOVE AND BEYOND simple laws.'
Nice Volt, however, the unbreakable law of human nature will NEVER allow this civil pleasentry to take place, as it is ultimately based on someones version of a perfect world.
So thanks BG. You managed to assist the trolls in doing exactly what they wanted to do.
ReplyDeleteGet me to argue about meaningless tripe.
And I can't help but notice that for a Brit, you're noticably silent on the earthshattering news today from your own head of the military, and your Prime Minister.
Guess you haven't turned on the tube yet, huh?