Wednesday, July 19, 2006

SPIRITUAL HEALING * PRO-LIFE OR PRO-DEATH?

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"Those who want the government to regulate matters of the mind and spirit are like men who are so afraid of being murdered that they commit suicide to avoid assassination." - Harry S Truman

Though Jesus himself called the Bush-Cheney-Roves of his day a "brood of vipers," I am never comfortable using harsh language to malign others. The office of President of the United States should command the utmost respect, but the man Bush is merely a politician, who was not elected legally in my view, and has betrayed us. My higher self cannot stand the anger I feel toward Bush, so I need to dwell on Love and raise the dialogue here. Personally I know that life is spiritual, and the reason God has clothed us in so many colors and territories, is for the very purpose of overcoming our tribal separateness, bigotry and territoriality — in order to turn our hearts to love. In other words, THE GOLDEN RULE. This is not a religious issue, it's a social/humanitarian issue.

At this radioactive time in our history the last thing we need is a president who wants to be a barbaric war lord who condones indiscriminate bombing of innocent civilians. Bush has set our beautiful world back lightyears, instead of using his power and gifts for uniting people in peace. It's a shame that we can't do anything; it's a shame that we are burdened with this obtuse, truly deplorable president at a time we need leadership most.

But as long as Bush calls himself a Christian, we must remind him that "Loving one's neighbor as oneself" is Christ's most urgent instruction. And since Israel and Lebanon are neighbors of each other, the leader of the free world should be a peacemaker here. Bush has to be a leader. Congress must to stop pretending that gay marriage and flag-burning are as important as Christ's main commandment to LOVE OUR NEIGHBOR and CREATE PEACE ON EARTH.

Our whole test in this life is to turn our hatred into love and see the good in each other. We must become color-blind and less chauvinistic and nationalistic; we must start seeing that we are all one race, Human. This is based on God, the God of love.

If Bush is pro-life, then "life" these days must mean death and torture. How can one explain his thirst for war and blood and chaos? If Bush calls himself pro-life, then he has a lot of nerve depriving others of cures to prolong life. Bush thinks using MEDICAL WASTE TO SAVE LIVES IS MURDER. But it's OKAY AS LONG AS PRIVATE COMPANIES USE THE STEM CELLS?! I GUESS SINCE THEY'RE MAKING MONEY IT'S ALL GOOD. Why DOES BUSH TAKE MONEY FROM CHINA, A COUNTRY THAT NOT ONLY CONDONES ABORTION, ORGAN HARVESTING AND KILLING BABY GIRLS?

According to the Old Testament, which fundamentalists go by, life must contain blood, skin and flesh. Blastocysts, or embryonic stem cells are not human life; they are potential life and do not have blood yet, in the first 18 days prior to implantation, and therefore are not considered human life. Anyway, in the bible, God breathed life into man; he didn't culture life in a petri dish.

If fundamentalists quote the bible live by the bible, they have a lot of nerve eating shellfish or allowing women to speak in public without flogging them. All these things are in the Old Testament. Of course Jesus doesn't appear until the New Testament; he came to bring the New Law, the law of spirit over matter, the law of Love. Fundamentalist "Christians" have a lot of nerve callling themselves Christian if they completely ignore Christ's teachings. I guess don't know that Christ is the root of the word Christian because the vowel sounds are different. They surely do not follow Christ in any way.

HOW CAN WE SIT BACK AND LET THE WORLD BE RUINED BY THIS MADMAN who has no wisdom, compassion or heart? Not only has George Bush's Iraq war caused over 14,000 civilian deaths but over 20,000 of our own troops have been maimed (that means they lost arms, legs and brain cells) and 2,500 killed. Bush also has now condoned the bombing of Lebanese civilians and now with the veto of embryonic stem cell research, he has destroyed the hope of millions of Americans. And never forget, as you read the following article, that Bush flew to Florida in the middle of the night to intervene in the Terry Schiavo issue, a private family matter — yet took several days to care about the Katrina victims.

Pro-Death Politics by William Greider

I was astounded to read an E.J. Dionne column in the Washington Post about a baby boy in Texas who was denied life support by hospital officials over the objections of his mother--astounded because this act of euthanasia was authorized by a state law passed by then-Governor George W. Bush. Or should we call it "murder," as some Republicans fervently insist in the death of Terri Schiavo? I wanted to know more about Bush's role, but the Post never returned to the matter. I wanted to know more about the circumstances surrounding the death of Representative Tom DeLay's injured father (the doctors pulled the plug on him with the family's consent).

I also want to know who makes these godlike choices for the Hospital Corporation of America, the 191-hospital chain built by Senator-Doctor Bill Frist's family. Does HCA follow the end-of-life logic suggested by Bush's law, or do the hospitals subscribe to Pope John Paul II's dictum that providing food and water to sustain brain-dead mortals is "morally obligatory"?

These questions sound tasteless and insensitive, I know, but our sensibilities have been jarred by the recent melodrama mounted by the right. The Pope's death was, by contrast, a model for dying with dignity and proper mourning. The life-or-death issue goes deeper than the obvious hypocrisy of certain politicians. It leads us into intriguing, disturbing questions about what "moral people" believe in this very moralistic country. Shouldn't we have a fuller discussion about who is pro-life, who is pro-death?Bush pretends to believe in God, but he is anti-Christian, and anti-God. From The Nation.

On a less spiritual note, I found this article to be insightful and hilarious.
Bush - Stoned? Drunk? Medicated? Presidential Tester for the Pharmaceutical Industry? You Decide........
Submitted by BuzzFlash Reader Contribution
by Ruth Lopez

Bush is fried. He's either drinking, smoking pot, medicated, or some combination of all of them. Either that or the man has taken a one-way trip to crazy town. Watch his gibberish at the G8, especially the bizarre stuff about how long the plane flights to various countries are. If you take out the comments of the other leaders (because they actually sound intelligent and not like drunken bar talk) and just read what Bush says, he sounds just like someone who is more than half looped.

"Gotta go home. Gotta do sumthin tonight. Get ona plane. Go home. It's a long flight. How long is your flight? That's a long flight. Your country is big. His country is big too." Retarded or stoned, you decide.

This is the kind of mindless bar drivel that drunks who can't shut up drone on with. They just keep running their mouths, totally disconnected from the non-verbal clues of the people around them.

Watch the press conference where Bush couldn't stop talking about the pig roast. It didn't matter what anyone asked him, he just kept saying whatever his addled brain was looping on, in this case, the pig. Typical stoned behavior. It reminded me of the time Bush went to Canada and couldn't get off the subject of the mouth one of the Canadian Prime Minister's staff members! "You've got a purty mouth." Not once but several times. "You've sure got a purty mouth." And, "Your mouth is prettier than my Scott's mouth." (The poor guy's name was Scott.) Who does this? Outside of bars or institutions, I mean.

Watch Bush's body language at the table with Blair talking over his shoulder. Bush is sitting, almost slouched back in his chair, like a guy at a barbeque on his second or third 6 pack, chomping on his food with his mouth open, and making minimal effort to intelligently keep up his end of the conversation by occasionally throwing in something he mistakenly thinks is sufficient. (read the rest at Buzzflash)


REGARDING IRAN Christopher Hitchens says:

"The overwhelmingly young population—an ironic result of the mullahs' attempt to increase the birth rate after the calamitous war with Iraq—is fed up with medieval rule. Unlike the hermetic societies of Baathist Iraq and North Korea, Iran has been forced to permit a lot of latitude to its citizens. A huge number of them have relatives in the West, access to satellite dishes and cell phones, and regular contact with neighboring societies. ... Opinion polling is a new science in Iran, but several believable surveys have shown that a huge majority converges on one point: that it is time to resume diplomatic relations with the United States."

Christopher, I hope you're right. But what I find interesting is what Randi Rhodes said the other day: that Iran, so full of young people, was on its way to becoming westernized BEFORE we invaded and bombed Iraq. The youth were sick of the old mullahs with their fundamentalist archaic religiosity — and they were turning to the West for an exchange of ideas and fashion. Bush's Iraq war helped usher in a backlash in the democratic elections: the militant regimes of Hezbollah and Hamas won! People are so turned off to our form of dictatorship and "democracy" we set them back light years. We lost all these young Iranians who were on the brink of really befriending us — and we set back the peace process in the Middle East.

WHAT HAPPENED TO PRINCIPLES and morals? If you operate from principle you never have to worry. You dont' have to side with Israel when they overreact and bomb innocent civilians. Bush's neocons have no interest in what's right. They lie, cheat and steal. Obviously Bush doesn't really want peace. What a tragedy. But I know with enough love and prayer sent his way, we can help him.

952 comments:

  1. James W.7:08 PM

    THANK YOU LYDIA!! Oh my God, you have hit the nail on the head. Please do not get intimidated by the liars. You are so right about this.

    We have to pray like you said. We have to pray for Bush to gain sanity and a heart.
    Love to you and your family.
    James

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  2. GFeorge Bush does not know much about stem cell reserch, Karl Rove has been outed by the Chicago Tribune as lying about adult stem cells to promote them as an alternative just to have a presidental victory to hand the base, the very people that probably could use some of the cures that stem cell research could provide if georgie did not have his brain where god intended his rectum

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  3. Hmm. Ms. Cornell purports to "elevate" the dialog by calling Dubya "Pro-Death".

    I agree. I'm pretty sure this is a direct result of Christ's teaching that 72 virgins and free-flowing wine await all us guys who die in the cause of Christ.

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  4. STEVE7:31 PM

    FF - Read her blog.

    Bush is definitely pro-war at any cost. I read Cornell's entire column It makes brilliant sense.

    Bush cares not a whit for human life. He even admitted he doesn't really understand human suffering and never could attend a funeral.

    Look at his track record as governor: death, death, and more death.

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  5. Look at his track record as governor: death, death, and more death.
    -steve

    It is abundantly unfair to accuse a governor of murder for legally enforcing his state's death penalty laws, if that is what you are cryptically implying.

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  6. "Leviticus 17:14

    For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

    Sounds to me like the blood is ONLY important because it SUPPORTS life.
    (sounds like LIFE is of the utmost importantance)

    Unless I'm reading the wrong spot, it DOESN'T say life MUST contain blood.

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  7. Gee Lydia, I don't know.

    I just read your new thread and I am not a bit upset.

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  8. But hey, one mans baby is anothers "medical waste"

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  9. FF Said;

    It is abundantly unfair to accuse a governor of murder for legally enforcing his state's death penalty laws,

    Perhaps.

    But its not unfair to judge him for laughing about it.

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  10. Anonymous7:51 PM

    Not only did Bush laugh about people he executed, he denied even looking into cases of possibly innocent people because it didn't serve his base.

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  11. "But it's OKAY AS LONG AS PRIVATE COMPANIES USE THE STEM CELLS! I GUESS SINCE THEY'RE MAKING MONEY IT'S GOOD."

    Government funded research is usually given to companies who can best exploit the new technology.

    Why should OUR tax dollars go to R&D for some company to make a huge profit on?

    The private companies are the ones who will make millions or billions on it, let them fund it.

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  12. And of note, NO cure has YET been found from stem cells. And no indication there may EVER be.

    If you want to experiment, use CORD blood, or ADULT stem cells...

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  13. Regarding euthanasia [which for Clif, has nothing to do with kids in China]...

    I submit that taking someone, who is brain dead, off life support is morally different than giving Grandma a lethal injection because she is sometimes forgetful.

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  14. Volt said;

    one mans baby is anothers "medical waste"

    no "baby" lives in a petri dish..and the embyros in question are not to be implanted, but discarded, thus they are never going to be a baby..but either a possibility of medical break throughs..or medical waste bound for a approved dump...

    spin away but that is what we are really talking about here......



    medical break through..or a dump that is the choice...and bush chose the dump

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  15. I was trying to figure out who wrote this.

    Christopher, I hope you're right. But what I find interesting is what Randi Rhodes said the other day: that Iran, so full of young people, was on its way to becoming westernized BEFORE we invaded and bombed Iraq. The youth were sick of the old mullahs with their fundamentalist archaic religiosity — and they were turning to the West for an exchange of ideas and fashion.

    Bush's Iraq war helped usher in a backlash in the democratic elections: the militant regimes of Hezbollah and Hamas won


    Then I realized it was Lydia.

    Thats good stuff.

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  16. FF said;

    I submit that taking someone, who is brain dead, off life support is morally different than giving Grandma a lethal injection because she is sometimes forgetful.


    Agreed.

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  17. fantasy bot said;

    I submit that taking someone, who is brain dead, off life support is morally different than giving Grandma a lethal injection because she is sometimes forgetful.


    thus removing terry schiavo feeding tube was legitamate as her husband had requested...before all the repug and christofascists stuck their noses in the shiavo's business...

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  18. Clif,

    Shiavo was simply being fed. She wasn't on "life support".

    If this is as pleasant a way to die as Michael's vampire attorney claimed, How about we just starve prison inmates who are up for execution?

    Whatcha think Amnesty Internation would have to say about that?

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  19. You know, I think another aptly named title for Lydia's article could be, Strain at a gnat, swallow a camel.

    See instead of prompting a debate on the morality of stem cell research, I think she is trying to draw attention to the wanton hubris of Bush pretending to be interested in this issue (if it doesn't involve a pick up, a baloney sandwich or a boll wevil, Bush ain't interested) while hes busy butchering thousands more in a war hes so concerned about that he can't be bothered to turn on the tv or pick up a newspaper to see how its going.

    No, this is not about Stem Cell research. This article is about the HUBRIS of Mr Bush and his supporters, who would, AT A TIME OF WAR I might add, draw attention AWAY FROM OUR TROOPS, and focus it on this RED HERRING.

    I think this is some of Lydias best work yet.

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  20. Dennis Taylor8:04 PM

    George Bush is very pro death. If he and his right wing extremist base want to claim to that Bush's veto was a moral decision then they are all guilty of severy hypocricy. If they really want to stand on the foundation of morality then they better start taking some serious self inventory of their own morality because they all crossed the morality line when they started collecting and freezing embryos. I'm not preaching against embryo freezing but it is very hypocritical to act like one is making a decision on the basis of morality when their entire presidency has been predicated on the foundations of immorality and lies.

    Of course, this veto should not mean much to a presidential administration that already has a lot of innocent blood on its hands due to its wasteful illegal and unconconstitutional military actions around the world. Just another link in the Bush chain and another dark chapter that will be added to Bush's legacy after he is out of office. He's been very predictable from day one...

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  21. Well worf, If you can't back up the supporting arguments, how can you back up the main one?

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  22. Not only did Bush laugh about people he executed, he denied even looking into cases of possibly innocent people because it didn't serve his base.
    -anonypuss

    Bush did not laugh about murderers he executed. In the first Presidential debate, Bush laughed at AlGore and the NAACP's abominable suggestion that he was a racist who was soft on James Byrd's killers in Texas.

    Aside from itself being one of the most disgusting racist smears I have ever witnessed, this was indeed laughable since one of the killers was executed and the other was in prison for life.

    Yes anonypuss, maybe you could cite an example of someone who has ever been executed after receiving due process in the U.S., who later turned out to be innocent. I mean truly innocent, not someone who had their goofy Miranda rights violated or some such. Then I might listen to your silly drivel.

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  23. Dolt said:

    Clif

    Shiavo was simply being fed. She wasn't on "life support".


    but a feeding tube is a medical proceedure since it musty be surgically inserted and removed, thus she was not "just being fed" but a tube was surgically inserted, and her legal guardian asked to have it removed..WTF were the political hacks doing hovering around let alone flying back to dc in the middle of the night making law about a surgical procedure that was a choice her husband was entitled to make?

    family values until you do not like the choice then government intervention eh Volt?

    If this is as pleasant a way to die as Michael's vampire attorney claimed, How about we just starve prison inmates who are up for execution?


    First of all her brain had shrunk so she could not see hear or feel anything..which is not what would happen if your assinine suggestion was implimented...but why not ask the survivers of the holocaust if they agree with you about treating prisoners that way as that was whst the NAzi's did to many of them who could see and hear and feel and talk about it....

    Whatcha think Amnesty Internation would have to say about that?

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  24. Well worf, If you can't back up the supporting arguments, how can you back up the main one?
    -Voltaire

    Wharf does not feel it necessary to actually back up anything he says with facts.

    He just bears false witness about what his opponents didn't say, then insists that you "prove" that you didn't say it, as if this feat were possible.

    Apparently, just the smearing of someone is sufficient to convince liberals; they don't need actual facts.

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  25. That's true FF, there hasn't been a proven case of anyone ACTUALLY innocent ever being executed.

    The ones that HAVE been released from death row have been on legal technicalities.

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  26. Clif, Her family had attested she didn't require the feeding tube. They HAD been spoon feeding her and giving her water until they were ordered to stop.

    And if you are purporting to KNOW exactly WHAT she felt, then I suspect YOUR brain must be just as small and shriveled.

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  27. Voltaire said...
    Well worf, If you can't back up the supporting arguments, how can you back up the main one?


    You MUST work for the government. I mean you've got to be on the federal payroll.

    You are the E-PIT-O-MEE of a federal beraucrat.

    You know why everthing gets stalled once it goes inside the beltway? Because guys like you want to focus on everything but the plan.

    You know how to kill a bill?

    Do a study.

    I am not saying ignore glaring inconsistencies. But when you get handed a plan to move 10,000 refugees from a flood plain, and your advisor wants to debate whether its a plain or a quay, then you have whats called the Old Potomac Two-Step.

    And you seem to have some great moves.

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  28. Dolt said;

    The ones that HAVE been released from death row have been on legal technicalities.

    like actual innocence..which is what the innocence project does...find cases where DNA can prove the innocence or actual guilt,

    and they have found a few on death row who were proven by DNA to actually be innocent,

    that is the reason George Ryan stopped executions in Illinois, he found out some people found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt were actually innocent, because DNA proved they did not do the crime..somebody else did...

    But that don't count to dolt, because that is in the way of his repug wingnut rage..and he wants his rage over the facts

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  29. "...in a war hes so concerned about that he can't be bothered to turn on the tv or pick up a newspaper to see how its going."

    Yes, I am just POSITIVE that the VERY BEST intelligence the president of the United States can get is by watching TV or reading a newspaper...

    LOL@worfy

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  30. voltaire said...

    Clif, Her family had attested she didn't require the feeding tube. They HAD been spoon feeding her and giving her water until they were ordered to stop.

    but she could not swallow thus they family fought to keep the tubr...and they knew the day the tube was allowed to be removed she could not survive eating as god created us to....

    And if you are purporting to KNOW exactly WHAT she felt, then I suspect YOUR brain must be just as small and shriveled.

    I am not purporting just relying on the autopsy report which shows her brain shrunk and no possibility of neurological activity to maintain the sense of feeling let alone sight speach sound or feeling...but continue the facade of rage for your repug hate you spew here dolt old boy

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  31. FF said "Wharf does not feel it necessary to actually back up anything he says with facts.

    He just bears false witness about what his opponents didn't say, then insists that you "prove" that you didn't say it, as if this feat were possible.

    Apparently, just the smearing of someone is sufficient to convince liberals; they don't need actual facts."

    Glad you feel this way FF, maybe you will read your buddy Troll Tex the riot act for lying and claiming that we are anti-semetic and hate Israel and feel Israel doesnt have the right to exist without one fact or shred of evidence to back up his lie, he wasnt even man enough to apologize and admit he lied, so FF if you really hate others accusing people of being racists or bigots unjustly and spreading lies and slander about them, you will be a man and say so.

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  32. Volt why do you think his staff KNOW they MUST make a video of what they want him to see..because that is his mental base of functioning..show him a moving picture and maybe he'll respond but don't ask him to read because that is HARD WORK for the idiot in chief

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  33. Or have you missed how they got the idiot to understand Katrina was not a good thing?

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  34. Voltaire said;

    Yes, I am just POSITIVE that the VERY BEST intelligence the president of the United States can get is by watching TV or reading a newspaper...

    You're kidding right?

    I mean, you were a member of the planet last year right? Remember New Orleans?

    Don't even bother to respond. This point was mine from the minute you hit enter.

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  35. Worf, are we even on the same subject?

    You were babbling about "Bush and Hubris", but nevermind what was posted to support that claim. It's just true.

    Just take your word for it should we?

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  36. I would venture to say that a gossipy maid from a nearby hotel would be a better source of current events for Mr Bush than whoever has been telling him his bedtime stories.

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  37. Because he does not read much..in fact he probably did not even read the daily brief about Osama attacking the US in aug 2001, he just had somebody brief it to him, but with out the pretty pictures he did not understand so he just went on vacation and cut brush

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  38. Well clif, lets just trapsie through ALL the hospitals in the land and remove ALL the feeding tubes of those who can't "eat as god created us to..."

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  39. No wonder they keep him out of the loop so much because making all those videos is hard work distilling the complex issues to cartoon fetures for the idiot to watch...

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  40. Volt said;

    You were babbling about "Bush and Hubris", but nevermind what was posted to support that claim. It's just true.

    Well let me see.

    Lydia is calling Bush on his hubris for vetoing the stem cell research bill, while waging a war in Iraq.

    Has the Iraq war ended and I was not informed?

    Did Mr Bush lie today when he told those old foggies whose hearing aids were all turned off that he had vetoed the stem cell reseach bill?

    If so, please let me know.

    If now, then try not to speak.

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  41. doltaire said...

    Well clif, lets just trapsie through ALL the hospitals in the land and remove ALL the feeding tubes of those who can't "eat as god created us to..."

    you still do not get it stupid do you?

    It ain't our choice...but the family members..and the husband of wife is usually the primary person in such a case..

    but you still want to controll everything like the repugs try to do all the time don't ya DOLT old boy

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  42. let me ask you this Dolt, you guys claim you dont want the government regulating things and sticking its nose in your business yet you seem to want them to legislate that families must legally keep people alive who are clinically dead in every sense that counts.

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  43. I remember a mayor who didn't implement his disaster plan and allowed a great number of school buses to get flooded out instead of using them to transport people away from the area.

    And I remember a governor who waited three friggin days before requesting federal assistance. (which MUST be done before the feds can send anyone in)

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  44. That is the real message of the Terry Schiavo case ...the repugs want to completely control everyone..for their benifit..they do not care about the facts because with their spin machine they can create their own facts to spew among people by idiots like limpballs O'Liely and MAnn the anorexic NAzi and they want everybodyt to be JUST like they are...sort of like the movie PLEASANTVILLE shows, everything is their way even if they have to outlaw things that others realise are good....

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  45. "yet you seem to want them to legislate that families must legally keep people alive who are clinically dead in every sense that counts."

    You got me there Mikey. If your family wants to off you, they have my blessing.

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  46. voltaire said...

    I remember a mayor who didn't implement his disaster plan and allowed a great number of school buses to get flooded out instead of using them to transport people away from the area.

    And I remember a governor who waited three friggin days before requesting federal assistance. (which MUST be done before the feds can send anyone in)

    at the same time as the leader of the entire nation went on a trip and ate cake..and played guitar...and begged for money from rich repugs hoping he would give back to them morre than they gave him..and the FEMA agency he was responsibile for was collapsing , but cake was more important to him on that day right dolt....

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  47. Because he was warned and they even had pictures..but he wanted that cake real bad so he would let his job slide for a day or so, because he is only the president and the worst hurricane in history was hitting the S but there was that cake...and he wanted it real bad

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  48. Hey Mike dolt is going to allow your family the rights the repougs stole from terry schiavo and her husband..he cares more about your rights than theirs don't ya just feel special dolt cares so much about your rights...

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  49. And I remember hearing GWB approved aid for South Florida days before the hurricaine even hit.........why was that, could it be that Jebby was governor and he wanted all the wealthy people down there to vote for him come election Time.

    But with New Orleans it was "just let the poor eat cake" right what was the difference other than Bush wanted to carry Florida and take care of the wealthy.

    And Dolt, no municiple, city or state government is prepaired to deal with a disaster of that magnitude, that is the Job of the federal government, and Frma and the president failed miserably.

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  50. Dolt that was rEAL big of you son..actually I salute your concern foir Mike's rights because repugs are normally trampling on people's rights

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  51. Dolt the defender of mike's rights and we promise not to turn ya in

    wait they are collecting all the traffic off the nodes right worfeus?

    too bad dolt they already got ya...but if ya tell us fi they show up to take you away for being such a bad traitor to the repug cabal we promise to protect us..make sure to mail us a letter so they can not track our conversations and we will be there as soon as we get it...we're right behind ya...

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  52. Clif,

    First off, Michael was her "husband" in name only. He was living for many years with another woman with whom he had children. He had clearly moved on.

    Secondly, he only "remembered" her wish to die 7 years AFTER she entered her coma. (entered under questionable circumstances)

    Thirdly, THAT was after recieving a huge insurance award that was SUPPOSED to go to her "rehabilitation" which only a small part did.

    Forth, Her PARENTS had offered to take complete responsibility for her, financially and otherwise.

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  53. If you nee our adresses just ask you repug buddies at the NSA they know where we live....

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  54. Whats that Pat Henry said?

    Give me liberty or give me ???


    Mangos?


    Cell phones?


    Safety?


    Tax cuts?


    :|

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  55. dolt said;

    Clif,

    First off, Michael was her "husband" in name only. He was living for many years with another woman with whom he had children. He had clearly moved on.

    Secondly, he only "remembered" her wish to die 7 years AFTER she entered her coma. (entered under questionable circumstances)

    Thirdly, THAT was after recieving a huge insurance award that was SUPPOSED to go to her "rehabilitation" which only a small part did.

    Forth, Her PARENTS had offered to take complete responsibility for her, financially and otherwise.

    and every court said different dolt..put another dime in and try again

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  56. the court said Michael Schiavo was her next of kin and had the right to make sure her wishes were furfilled...thus in the end that was what happened..

    all for the sanctity of marriage until it gets in the way of a good election stragety eh boy?

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  57. Well clif,

    Mikey certainly is "clinically dead in every sense that counts."

    And from his posting he is CLEARLY suffering and I just can't stand it.

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  58. Gee thanks Dolt I guess you guys arent hippocrites after all, I mean only a hippocrite would claim they care so deeply about human life and not give a ratts ass about all our soldiers being killed or the innocent civillians or the poor who are dying because they cant afford food or medical treatment......but you guys sure to care about protecting the clinically dead and the unborn...............wait I know why because they arent capable of free thought to disagree with you or oppose you, now if only you could get the brain dead to vote you guys would be all set going into the next election, you probably wouldnt even need to disenfranchise people who would vote democrat.

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  59. But don't let a littl;e thing likje their marriage stand in the way of the repug machine when it needs to rally the base right dolt old boy?

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  60. doltaire said...

    Well clif,

    Mikey certainly is "clinically dead in every sense that counts."

    And from his posting he is CLEARLY suffering and I just can't stand it.


    dolt give us the identity of you next of kin and we will see if the can help you out wirth your problemm, because your the one suffering as you can't stand it not mike....

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  61. Clif are you POSITIVE he "fulfilled" her wishes? Because other than his "word" 7 years AFTER the fact (and after a large chunck of cash landed in his lap that wasn't used as it should have been) there sure isn't any proof.

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  62. But you could just do the rush thing and use enough drugs until you can stand it....or at least you

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  63. Ok. I've answered plenty of your questions tonight. Now answer one of mine please.

    If Bush is so concerned about saving American lives, why then, was he strumming a guitar while one of this nations oldest and most famous cities was under a seige as terrible as any terrorist or army could inflict.

    Why did it take him more than a week to even bother to stroll on down there, and have a look around? I mean Anderson Cooper made it there, and he didn't have a private luxury jet to fly on.

    Why didn't he once, just once turn on a tv or read a newspaper? Why did it take a specially made DVD compling, thats right Voltaire you guessed it, NEWS BROADCASTS, to bring him up to speed?

    A DVD he didn't even bother to watch till they finally put him on the plane!

    WHY?

    Why would a man who supposedly cares so much about human life, do (or not do) all these things?

    Answer that one please right wing peeps.

    And I will await your answers with eager anticipation.

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  64. Voltaire said...

    Clif are you POSITIVE he "fulfilled" her wishes? Because other than his "word" 7 years AFTER the fact (and after a large chunck of cash landed in his lap that wasn't used as it should have been) there sure isn't any proof.

    the court believed it and they are what really matters here, so why do you repugs always rant against court decisions you do nto like but approve instantly those which have to be ONE time only decisions that have no precedent or are allowed to affect basic law according to the decision//

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  65. its all an election issues with you guys, you dont care about the living, just the unborn and the clinically dead.

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  66. Clif, tell me again about the "sanctity of marriage" when the "husband" has been living with another woman for many years and has children with her...

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  67. Joe there was a dead girl in my congressional office after I was caught cheating on his wife before he suddenly decided to retire from congress sacrboy is on Colbert

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  68. Actually Mikey, dead people have been voting democrat for a long time in Chicago...

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  69. voltaire said...

    Clif, tell me again about the "sanctity of marriage" when the "husband" has been living with another woman for many years and has children with her...

    why you asking me because tit was a court decision,

    Colbert asked Joe if he took money from Abramoff...and Joe got red...he got $1000 he admitted..to it at least after he got red because he was not ready for that question...

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  70. Volt.

    Don't run from me buddy.

    Just answer my question please.

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  71. And Algore sure did try to get the military vote thrown out, but I'm sure that doesn't bother cliffy at all.

    And as I recall the dems were recruiting voters from prisons where they had no legal right TO vote.

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  72. joe said...If we're living in an era now

    and stephen finished it for him..where being connected with a convicted felon keeps you from being elected to public office

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  73. Scarboroughs ok for a repuggy.

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  74. dolt said;

    And as I recall the dems were recruiting voters from prisons where they had no legal right TO vote.

    backwards son choicepoint took a list ..some of which were TEXAS felons and threw off the rolls people in FLORIDA who had the same or similar names who were black

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  75. Did you see Jon Stewart call Sam Brownback a Vagina?

    That was pretty funny.

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  76. Well, actually Brownback called himself that.

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  77. and choicepoint was working directally for Katherine Harris the chairperson of the elect the villege idiot from Texas committee at the same time she was secetary of stateresponsible for ensuring a truely fair election

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  78. Dolt who has his facts wrong again...how about KEN blackwell sending black soldiers in Iraq letters to their stateside home address with a no fowarding stamp on the envelope..and if the soldier did not reply he removed their name from the rolls of eligable voters...

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  79. Lydia said;

    Obviously George Bush doesn't really want peace.

    Well, maybe he does.

    But the peace he wants he thinks will come from all the "good guys" killing all the "bad guys" (anyone who doesn't agree with the good guys).


    His peace is the peace of the graveyard.

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  80. that was just one of the slimely tactiocs the Ken Blackwell chairperson of the re-elect the country idiot ohio campaign at the SAME time he was secretary of state in OHIO responsible for ensuring a fair election...

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  81. Worf, I don't have memorized exactly how things went down. Mistakes were made all around by just about EVERYONE involved.

    But I do remember that Bush was getting misleading information from those who were supposed to be keeping him informed.

    I suppose he deserves some of the blame, but not ALL of it. Mistakes were made on local, state AND federal levels.

    To solely blame Bush is ignorant.

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  82. An unjust peace is better than a just war.

    Cicero

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  83. Volt said;

    I suppose he deserves some of the blame,

    Well gee, yea, I guess so.... I mean hes only THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

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  84. Can't expect too much from him.

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  85. Like being worried about his people being drowned by raw sewage in their own homes.

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  86. He has important things to do.

    Like photo ops at music stores.

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  87. And clearing weeds on the Dustbowlo Ranchero.

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  88. Yes worf, ONLY PRESIDENT.

    He ain't GOD.

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  89. And I remember hearing GWB approved aid for South Florida days before the hurricaine even hit.........why was that, could it be that Jebby was governor and he wanted all the wealthy people down there to vote for him come election Time.

    But with New Orleans it was "just let the poor eat cake" right what was the difference other than Bush wanted to carry Florida and take care of the wealthy.

    And Dolt, no municiple, city or state government is prepaired to deal with a disaster of that magnitude, that is the Job of the federal government, and Frma and the president failed miserably.

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  90. Dolt said "Yes worf, ONLY PRESIDENT.

    He ain't GOD."

    He thinks he is.

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  91. Voltaire said...

    He ain't GOD


    You can say that again.

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  92. Volt said;

    Isuppose he deserves some of the blame, but not ALL of it. Mistakes were made on local, state AND federal levels.

    To solely blame Bush is ignorant

    volt i agree with what you said ..but the mayor was in new oOrleans where the uHurricane was hitting...in the city trying to do his job,

    the Governour was in Baton Rouge trying to do her best, but hampered a bit because the 256th Infantry Brigade was 9000 miles away in OIraq as the hurricane hit thus she was missing a very large part of the State of Louisians reponse which the pentagon should have replaced when it was apparant the Hurricane was going to hit..but she was at her office


    georgie not so much..he was not in DC where he could have made d3ecisions which would have pushed the pentagon to cut through the pred tape and push foward the recovery effort..and he could have jump started Chertoff from the Bird flu convention to focus on the Hurricane but he wanted cake instead of going to DC and doing the job he asked for

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  93. Oh don't get me wrong Clif. In no way to I excuse any of the major screw ups at the local level.

    But what does any of that have to do with leaning over and saying, hey Condie, turn on the TV, I'd like to see how those folks are doing with the rain storm?

    ???

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  94. That question is directed at Voltaire, not you Clif.

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  95. I mean and what constitutes blame with you people?

    A quasi acknowledgement and then lets move on?

    Someone I don't think that'll cut it this time.

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  96. We are talking about the President of the United States.

    The man that has screamed from the rooftops how hes here to "KEEP US SAFE", the man who won an election on KEEPING US SAFE.

    The man who violates the consitution and enacts enabling acts to take away our rights to privacy and even liberty and infiltrate schools, libraries, even CHURCHES to spy on us, so he can KEEP US SAFE.

    And he can't pick up a remote control for 10 minutes to watch the worst storm in history wipe out a national landmark and displace ALL its citizens???

    You sir, are a master of the understatment.

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  97. worfeus I do not disagree with your posts, but the major thing repugs gloss over real quick is...

    the mayor of New Orleans was on his job in the city at the city emergency headquarters they established

    and the Governour of Louisians was in the state capital at work for the people fo her state..but the national guard division stationed in Louisians was 9000 miles away fighting Bush's optional war, and they pentagon did not see fiot to replace them until 4 dats after the Hurricane hit..

    However Bush was not at work in DC...he went to McCains birthday party so he could eat cake...and the next day went to a fair and played guitar, before going to a repug fundraiser because we all know repug fundraisers are much more important that some people in a state and city thatr did not vote for the repugs drounding or losing everything they have.........

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  98. You were right about one thing.

    He ain't God.

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  99. Hes not even Godly.

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  100. Clif said;

    and the Governour of Louisians was in the state capital at work for the people fo her state..but the national guard division stationed in Louisians was 9000 miles away fighting Bush's optional war

    Oh amen. I mean, I don't know why thats so hard for people to figure out.

    The National Guard, which is chartered for JUST SUCH AN EMERGENCY, is off fighting his bogus war, that he was man enough to start, but not man enough to start a draft for.

    Instead he chose to send only a fraction of the troops needed to do the job, and now they have become like fish in a barrel. Getting picked off one by one while he makes speeches and hands out medals to his friends who never saw a day of combat.

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  101. Medal of Freedom my ass.

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  102. Thats the medal you get for doing nothing, and doing it quite well.

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  103. WORFEUS said...

    Medal of Freedom my ass.

    worf you don't get it the freedom was freedom for theidiot to lie all of us into a war we did not want with out the lies..and georgie gave the medal to the foole who knew that some of the intel was pure BULL

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  104. That meant he could lie with freedom...

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  105. Not to change the subject, but Fred Phelps, James Dobson, Jimmy Swaggert and Bush's cabinet are all perverts. How dare they talk about morality.

    Why are these sick fundamentalist neocons so immoral in every way, so corrupt and hateful and full of pride. They enrich themselves and condemn others, but they are the most immoral and perverted of all.

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  106. MaxMixt said...

    Not to change the subject, but Fred Phelps, James Dobson, Jimmy Swaggert and Bush's cabinet are all perverts. How dare they talk about morality.

    Why are these sick fundamentalist neocons so immoral in every way, so corrupt and hateful and full of pride. They enrich themselves and condemn others, but they are the most immoral and perverted of all.


    correct me if I am wrong but didn't Jesus know some of the same people in his time? weren't they called Pharisees or something like that?

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  107. Pharisees, Saducees, Scribes, Elders, Priests.

    All synonymous with asshole.

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  108. James W.10:15 PM

    Truth and goodness will win out in the end. These war mongers can't feel good about senseless killing. the bombings in Lebanon are wrong no matter how you look at it.

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  109. hey James, welcome back, hope everything has been all right with you.

    And I have to believe that you are right that truth and goodness will win out in the end.

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  110. Mike given the problem Ralph reed had in his first election in Georgia might be part of the truth winning out after all, because he couldn't spin his way out of the lies he lived

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  111. Clif how do you think the elections will play out in the fall?

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  112. As of now the repugs look very vulernable, they do not have anything but Rovian spin and that is wearing pretty thin.

    The congressional races are not looking real good for them odds are they will lose the house, fby about 5-10 seats at least.

    The senate is more up in the air..

    they do have more races in trouble there..Dewine in Ohio..Talent in Missouri... Burns in Montana... among others and no democrat is very vulnerable except Liberman but that is because a democrat more in line with the democratic party is running against him

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  113. What do you think will happen with Bush trying to obstruct the investigation into his own warrantless domestic spying?

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  114. All they have left to go on is the stupidity of the American people.

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  115. I don't know Mike. But I have a feeling its a big peice of a puzzle that somewhere, someone is putting together.

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  116. do you think that hinges on the democrats retaking congress, or do you think that could be an issue decided by the Supreme Court much like Bush's flagrant disregard of the Geneva Convention and due process.

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  117. Have you see these guys in here lately, TT and FF dont even have arguments anymore, its all lies, spin and intellectual dishonesty, they have nothing left.

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  118. With sworn testimony stating he DID block the investigation, then that constitutes a conspiricy among his administration.

    Course they could always try to discredit the person testifying.

    Oh wait. Its the Bush appointed head of the Department of Justice.

    Thats gonna be tough.

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  119. Joe Scarbrougho also thinks the democrats are going to take it back..because the repugs have gotten way too comfortable...

    He said cut the debt bring 130,000 troops home..rap Duke Cunningham, Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff around the democrats neck NO problem the repugs could win

    But if they can't not that easy


    I mean the party of FISCAL responsibility has the largest deficit..and run up the largest national debt in history and they do not think it is a problem.... they have gotten way too comfortable

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  120. Mike with out an INDEPENDANT Congress Bush will continue to obstruct the Justice Department investigations..

    because he can and he sees not allowing any real investigation as a mandate for what he does....

    And the liberal press will still ignore the problem because they are soooo liberal

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  121. Personally I like Joe Scarborough.

    I watch his show sometimes, Scarborough Country. For a repuggy he ain't all that bad.

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  122. Clif did you here bernanke talking to the senate banking committee today, its almost like he's ending the rate hikes so there is a shorty rally right before the election.

    I've said for a while I think a recession will do Bush and the repugs in, i'm starting to think that recession may not come till 2007, I think the repugs will run the economy hot and try to spin away the inflation so things look good going into the election.

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  123. Clif that was awesome what you posted about Diane Feinstein ripping Gonzalez and making him look stupid.

    I really like Diane Feistein, I did a lot of research on the energy crisis/scam in California and Diane Feinstein was instrumentental in finding out what happened and helping to stop the corruption, I dug up floor debates and bills she sponsored etc...., she is a smart lady and a good person.

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  124. Worfeus I keep track here among other web sites..but this guy is on top of what your saying;

    http://www.jsmineset.com/

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  125. For fiscal reporting I go here also, because they do not bow to the washington story

    http://today.reuters.com/news/home.aspx

    I also check the Guardian financial news because they have a good reporting about what is happening and why..but do not have the big money over their heads like the WSJ has

    If the WSJ reported what bernanke was trying to do to hide the fiscasl problems until after november the markets would go wild..

    I personnaly think most repugs who are in the financial part of this Administration realise the country is tired of stupid repugs and want a much better president so they want to have the economy limp along at least till late 2008 and then if it tanks well they think democrats will be in power and they can spin it all the democrats fault because they do know how out of balance the fiscal situation is ands the day of reconing is comming they just want to delay it as long as possible and then try to spin the blame on the democrats...

    because they think they can play the role of FDR after the crash and try to control washington for decades like the democrats did

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  126. Clif I went there but he was just talking about the Fed and interest rates.

    Could that be for Mike?

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  127. Clif, I like that site, i'll have to start going there, I usually go to Gold eagle they have good financial and political articles also.

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  128. Well interest rates is one way to play the market and they hide the fgact that foriegn investors are losing capital when they loan us money today but get back Inflated dollars which are worth much less when they get repaid..the interesst rates must be large enough to make up the difference..otherwise money would flow out fast, so the fed plays are to keep the foriegn money in the country and hold up the dollar against foriegn currencies until after november

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  129. I also watch CNBC on and off to see how the background economy behind the stats of the stock market are doing, and especially early before the US market is open because they report so much European and Asian news that gets no normal play in the MSM

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  130. Guys I want to apoligize if I got a little out of hand today, but I felt Troll Tex deserved everything he got, he attacks mostly Lydia but some of us as well trying to discredit us and accusing us of lying and not supporting what we say, so when he did what he accuses us of, I wasnt about to let him slither out of that one and i'm still not, he got caught in a lie and he didnt even apologize and say he was wrong, so from now on everythime he attacks one of us with his BS i'm going to bring that up.

    i'm done answering that guys questions till he starts answering mine.

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  131. Clif said " the fed plays are to keep the foriegn money in the country and hold up the dollar against foriegn currencies until after november"

    agreed thats why bernanke is raising 1/4 point at a time instead of 1/2 or 3/4 to get the fed fund rates to neutral territory, he's raising just enough to prop up the dollar till november, as long as rates are rising, even if they are rising slowly foreign investors will be patient and keep their money here, but once the fed stops ratcheting rates up, look out below for the dollar.

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  132. Mike I expect nothing less..because HOW long has the movie been over..but no answer as to the question I asked because either he answers yes Israel must up hold their international agreements as we tried to force Saddam to do and attacked partially(according to the wingnuts) because he wouldn't, but then they are not by their BOMBING so then he must say NO to support Israeli actions, but that makes US guilty of a double standard..demanding something of Saddam and Iraq we do not also demand of Israel honoring their signed agreements...no real way out so no answer and he slithered away knowing he was caught with out an answer...

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  133. BTW want to bet that he conviently forgets the question;

    which I'll repost for him to make it easier

    TT should Israel follow the Geneva Convention since they agree to do so?

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  134. He already did conveniently forget the question.

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  135. Geneva Conventions. He thinks those are for sissies.

    Till one of our soldiers are captured.

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  136. Or one of our pilots, who are considered spies when they are doing Reconnaissance work in soverign air space.

    Then, its all hey, lets play nice.

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  137. talllTexan said...

    Clif, I'll answer that after this movie is over (30 minutes). TT

    5:30 PM

    this was the last post tonite from ther troll and he did not answer the question

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  138. But Worfeus violations of the Geneva convention is called a war crime..and that si what FF was blowing his gaskets over today the fact Noam Chomsky can show every president since Truman has violated it in one way or another...

    And the trials of Milosivich and Saddam are based on the ideals of the convention,

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  139. Mike you asked about the elections well after Reeds defeat Abramoff is a player again but not in the way repugs like this time

    Corruption Issue Comes to Fore
    Reed Is Seen as First Casualty, and Parties Brace for More

    While political corruption has failed so far to take root as a national issue, the defeat of scandal-stained Ralph Reed in Georgia on Tuesday showed that federal investigators could tip some key House and Senate races this fall, according to party strategists.

    Reed, a former top campaign official for President Bush and executive director of the Christian Coalition, lost the Republican primary for lieutenant governor after getting pounded by his opponent for his close and profitable relationship with convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff, the central figure in an unfolding money-for-favors scandal. Reed was the first electoral victim of political corruption probes -- but officials in both parties said he probably won't be the last.

    Republicans worry that more than six candidates for the House and Senate could be hurt by Justice Department investigations, the courts and revelations in the Abramoff affair. Topping the list are Rep. Robert W. Ney (R-Ohio) and Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.), both bruised by Abramoff connections and facing tough races.

    Anticipating more bad news, House GOP leaders are privately discussing a pre-election plan to compromise with the Senate on legislation clamping down on lobbyists and member perks, according to a GOP source familiar with the effort. The source, who discussed the plan on the condition of anonymity, said that if Ney or other Republicans are indicted, House leaders will drop their demands to include strict curbs on the special-interest election spending that favored Democrats in 2004 and quickly pass the lobbying bill to provide political cover to candidates.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/19/AR2006071901714.html

    So expect more ranting and attacks as the repugs fear grows that they are going to LOSE power

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  140. Remember thr ports deal well they are trying to sneak a change through so deals like it would be LEGAL;

    REPORT: Oman Trade Pact Permits Foreign Ownership of U.S. Nat’l Security Assets


    In an explosive report tonight, top House Democrats discovered provisions in the controversial Oman Free Trade Agreement that would permit foreign ownership of U.S. ports and other key national security assets. Three Democrats and one Republican held an emergency press conference today to expose the provisions just before the House is scheduled to vote on the Oman pact on Thursday. As Reuters reports, "Rep. John Murtha, a Pennsylvania Democrat who serves on the House Defense Appropriations subcommittee, said the pact would allow companies such as Dubai Ports World to acquire U.S. port operations by establishing a shell company in Oman." Those provisions might also allow foreign ownership of other key national security assets, considering just after the recent Dubai Ports controversy, that country went ahead with plans to purchase a major U.S. defense contractor.

    http://www.workingforchange.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=849F046D-E0C3-F08F-991D793F942625E6

    This has already passed the senate..only the House stands in the way of the neo-con cabal getting the right to sell critical US infrastructure with basically NO review

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  141. I think Keith Olbermann has Mann's fearlessness about summed up correctly;

    And our winner -- speaking of: Coultergeist, who has now responded to an inquiry from a columnist at Women's Wear Daily, who wondered if she might still think her comments about The New York Times were funny after that newspaper got sent another envelope full of suspicious powder, which fortunately turned out to be corn starch. Ann Coulter wrote back: "So glad to hear that The New York Times got my letter."

    What do you think? Could she have really done it, or does she just wish she had? Nah -- it's the woman who once ran away screaming when she was attacked with a cream pie. Coultergeist: today's "Worst Person in the World."

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200607190001


    Mann coulterguist not only a chicken hawk extraordinaire she runs from pies...no wonder she bloviates sooooooooo much she is simply compensating for a very LOW self extreme besides what she sees in the mirror daily....

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  142. The Taliban’s Silent Partner

    WHEN the American-led coalition invaded Afghanistan five years ago, pessimists warned that we would soon find ourselves in a similar situation to what Soviet forces faced in the 1980’s. They were wrong — but only about the timing. The military operation was lean and lethal, and routed the Taliban government in a few weeks. But now, just two years after Hamid Karzai was elected as the country’s first democratic leader, the coalition finds itself, like its Soviet predecessors, in control of major cities and towns, very weak in the villages, and besieged by a shadowy insurgency that uses Pakistan as its rear base.

    Our backing of an enlightened government in Kabul should put us in a far stronger position than the Soviets in the fight to win back the hinterland. But it may not, and for a good reason: the involvement of our other ally in the region, Pakistan, in aiding the Taliban war machine is deeper than is commonly thought.

    The United States and NATO will not prevail unless they can persuade Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, to help us more than he has. Unfortunately, based on what senior Afghans have explained in detail to American officials, Pakistan is now supporting the Taliban in a manner similar to the way it supported the Afghan mujahedeen against the Soviets two decades ago.

    The Taliban has two leadership cells operating inside Pakistan, presumably with the guidance and logistical support of local authorities. Senior lieutenants to Mullah Muhammad Omar, the Taliban’s supreme leader, are ensconced in Quetta, the capital of the Pakistani province of Baluchistan. From there they direct military operations in the south-central Afghan provinces of Helmand, Kandahar, Uruzgan and Zabul.

    Meanwhile, one of the Taliban’s savviest military commanders, Jalaluddin Haqqani, and his sons operate out of Miramshah, the capital of the North Waziristan Province. From there, they run operations in Kabul and the eastern Afghan regions of Khost, Logar, Paktia and Paktika

    The Taliban even have shadow officials for small areas of Afghanistan, whose top officials live just over the border in Pakistan. Afghan villagers journey to Pakistan to seek justice for one grievance or another from these alternative figures.

    The situation is tragically simple: the very people we need to kill or apprehend we can’t get at, because they are in effect protected by our so-called ally, Pakistan. All we can do is win tactical battles against foot soldiers inside Afghanistan, who are easily replaced.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/20/opinion/20kaplan.html?th&emc=th


    Thus, just as in the 1980's the soviets never were able to go after the Afghanistan command and logistical base, neither can we...

    And as Cambodia and Laos provided the VC and NVA with a "safe haven" to run to...Pakistan is doing the same thing for the Taliban

    We can win all the battles with what is simply company level fighters, unless we can defeat their higher echelons and logistical support bases, we will be fighting a long but eventually futile war against an enemy who knows that TIME is on their side. Because if Musharraf is removed or dies, the replacement probably would be even more sympathetic to the Taliban. The new rulers of Pakistan will probably aid them even more than Musharraf does, allowing Pakistan's Intelligence unit known as the ISI to train the Taliban. They would quietly turn their head instead of fighting them and turning their leadership over to US forces.

    Instead we fight a war with not enough troops to fully control the area of operations, which gives the Taliban free rein in many rural areas of the country...and allows them to do as the Viet Cong did in Vietnam, seek symphatizers in the local population from which to get logistical aid, in the form of food, shelter, intelligence, transportation and most importantly new recruits to replace those they loose in battle.

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  143. It is nopt bad enough to "swiftboat" the veterans to aid repug canidates ...but the same firm who created the swiftboat adds...has distorted the 9-11 images for another repug canidate in OHIO...

    DeWine changes images in controversial ad

    Sen. Mike DeWine is changing the images of the burning World Trade Center towers in a campaign ad, but not for the reasons Democrats objected to it.

    DeWine's campaign spokesman, Brian Seitchik, called the image in the original ad a "graphic representation," produced by the advertising production firm Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm.

    "The senator thought it depicted the actual events of 9-11 and when he found out that wasn't the case, he wanted an actual picture used," Seitchik said. "I don't think it would be noticeable to the naked eye."

    DeWine stood by the ad's message, but Brown's campaign expressed vindication.

    "So it was doctored!" said Brown spokeswoman Joanna Kuebler.

    The Ohio Democratic Party responded to the DeWine ad with their own on Tuesday, decrying the two-term senator for "exploiting images of 9-11 to smear Sherrod Brown."

    "Instead of being honest, he's using an ad that at first we knew distorted the facts, and now we know distorted the tragedy; that's shameful," Kuebler said.

    Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm did not immediately return calls seeking comment. The firm also produced the controversial Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads in 2004, which accused Democratic presidential nominee
    John Kerry of lying about his decorated Vietnam War record.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060719/ap_on_go_co/ohio_senate

    Mann coulterguist attacks the 9-11 widows..and a sitting senator runs an ad which is painfully false and slanders the memory of those who lost their lives on 9-11...

    I wonder why repugs see the need to attack victums and distort the tragety for political gain, do they really have no regard for those who suffered much...

    Is their pathilogical need for power and control over the rest of us so inteense they are willing to stoop to this level?

    People will claim Dewine did not know but Stevens Reed Curcio & Potholm definately did and lying and smears..and callous disregard must be a repug character defect o0therwise they would not keep going to that well so often in their campaigns...

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  144. "Is George Bush Pro Death?"

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he professes to be a man of peace?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he attacked a country with a worthless army, worn out weapons and stricken in poverty?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he sits quietly by as Israel and forces in Lebanon are destroying each other?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he is using the killings of thousands in Lebanon and Israel to plot his next "conquest" in Syria?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he refuses to go to any dead soldiers funeral that he sent off to be killed in Iraq?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he laid up on his ranch for days finishing up his bi-monthly vacation, while thousands were suffering and dying from Katrina?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" when he issues his only veto in 5 years on a bill that could help research save the lives and suffering of millions?

    How could anyone think Bush is "Pro Death" after thinking about all these things and dozens more?

    How could anyone Not think that the "Master of Evil" is not "Pro Death"?

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  145. Anonymous5:29 AM

    VOLTAIRE SAID:
    If you want to experiment, use CORD blood, or ADULT stem cells...

    VOLTAIRE YOU ARE AN IDIOT. DO YOUR RESEARCH. ADULT STEM CELLS DO NOT DIFFERENTIATE.

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  146. Anonymous5:54 AM

    Great post Lydia. You are a true Christian. That's why you are being persecuted. You're right, forgive them for they know not what they do.

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  147. Troll Tex, what happened, you get lost after watching that last half hour of your movie?

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  148. clif said...
    BTW want to bet that he conviently forgets the question;

    which I'll repost for him to make it easier

    TT should Israel follow the Geneva Convention since they agree to do so?

    11:42 PM"

    Guys, I don't have time mountains of available time each and every day to spend here at this blog, but I catch up with the posts here, and at other blogs (both Liberal and Conservative) as soon as I can. I fell asleep after the movie, so Clif, here is my answer: I think all nations should adhere to their treaty obligations, which may include the Geneva Convention, where applicable, but I don't think these obligations should apply when a nation is in imminent danger of being annihilated. That would be like saying that if you are being chased by a serial killer in your car and he is taking pot shots from his car at you, you should obey the speed limit. If you did that you would get shot and killed, but the relatives at your funeral could say "[name of deceased] was a law-abiding man." But, I'm sure they would have preferred that you broke the speed limit and stayed alive.

    As to Mike, I will withdraw any insinuations of your and Lydia's anti-semitism if you withdraw all your comparisons of Republicans to Nazis. I think that is fair.

    Deal?

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  149. If Bush is pro-life, then "life" these days must mean death and torture. How can one explain his thirst for war and blood and chaos? If Bush calls himself pro-life, then he has a lot of nerve depriving others of cures to prolong life. Bush thinks using MEDICAL WASTE TO SAVE LIVES IS MURDER. But it's OKAY AS LONG AS PRIVATE COMPANIES USE THE STEM CELLS?!
    -Lydia Cornell

    I heartily agree with Bush's decision. In decades of trying, embryonic stem cell research has produced nothing, whereas adult stem cell research has produced a plethora of medical advances.

    This is why researchers in the private sector put all their money into adult stem cell research and other technologies which have actual potential of saving or improving human life.

    However, Bush's veto does nothing to stop embryonic stem cell research; it simply prevents the federal government from throwing even more money at this loser. If this technology really has such wonderful potential, someone in the private sector will fund it; isn't this where almost all medical advances originate?

    The only reason liberals luv this technology is not because it saves life or has the potential to save lives, quite the opposite. Libs luv embryonic stem cell "science" because it supposedly provides a lofty reason for killing the unborn:

    Anna Quindlen said "pro-choicers" were always "at a loss" when faced with the moral arguments in defense of an unborn baby. But with embryonic stem-cell research, the "battle of personification will assume a different and more sympathetic visage in the years to come" -- takeing the form of Michael J. Fox, Christopher Reeve, Ronald Reagan..."
    -Ann Coulter in Godless referring to "A New Look At An Old Battle" Newsweek April 9, 2001

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  150. Troll Tex said "As to Mike, I will withdraw any insinuations of your and Lydia's anti-semitism if you withdraw all your comparisons of Republicans to Nazis. I think that is fair.

    Deal?"

    actually Troll Tex that isnt fair because the difference is from asfar back as January I provided numerous examples of how the Bush administration are similar to the Nazi's and how they have adapted nazi type tactics to seize and increase their power and sway public opinion. See Troll Tex, I supported my position you did not.......so NO DEAL!!!

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  151. and as for your not having mountains of time to spend on this site, you spend pretty close to the same amount of time here as me, you are almost always in here before me or most everyone else!

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  152. "Mike said...
    and as for your not having mountains of time to spend on this site, you spend pretty close to the same amount of time here as me, you are almost always in here before me or most everyone else!

    8:49 AM"

    Probably because I go to bed earlier and get up very early. On some days I have more time than on others. Is that so prepostersous?

    The Nazis knew about PR. So does McDonalds. And Coke. And so did JFK and FDR. So, the basis for your comparison of Nazis to Republicans is weak and tenuous.

    But my proposition is fair. You only want others to withdraw their comments, but you won't do that yourself.

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  153. Anonymous8:57 AM

    Of course Lydia is an anti-semite,its blantly clear in her writtings.She's anti-Israel,pro terrorist,she should be wearing a burka.

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  154. See Troll Tex, acusations with out facts to back up your position is nothing more than slander!

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  155. So, Mike, you are asking me to do something that you won't do yourself. How very...Democratic of you! I knew you would weasel out of my deal, which I think is most fair.

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  156. See Troll Tex starting in January to as recently as last week I have posted numerous examples and arguments to support my position on how the Bush Administration is similar to the Nazi's the most recent being last week when I posted the comparison of how the Nazi's seized power via the Reichstag fire with how Bush seized power via 9/11, both used these events to get people and legislation in place to further increase and cement their power and influence.

    you made an accusation with no facts to back up what you said, because there were no facts to support your position......YOU FLAT OUT LIED its that simple!!!!

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  157. Keep trying to spin your way out of this one Troll Tex, I find it amusing!

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  158. Anonymous9:10 AM

    "Dems have never found a fight they could'nt run from."

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  159. Mike, GWB assumed power via the democratic process on Jan. 20, 2001. 9/11 happened eight months later. Your theory has been disproved.

    You are an example of someone who can dish it out but can't take it. If you don't want me calling you an anti-Semite, don't call me and my GOP brethren Nazis. It's that simple. My offer is still on the table.

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  160. Anonymous9:12 AM

    "Liberals can never abdondon the idea that we can soothe the savage beast with appeasment weather they are dealing with murderers like Willie Horton or Islamic terrorist...then the beast eats you."

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  161. you guys seem to be doing the running, you guys have told so many lies and spin you cant even debate the issues anymore without being hippocrites, you guys are in trouble come November.

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  162. Hitler was chancelor before the Reichstag fire so my comparison stands, the Reichstag fire and 9/11 were enablers.

    and if you call me or Lydia anti semetic without providing proof you are guilty of slander and lying and everyone here knows it.

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  163. Anonymous9:18 AM

    Of course these far lefties are anti-semites.They condem Isreal yet call terrorist freedom fighters.They have sympathy for suicide bombers who kill innocent's but again condem Israel because some cilvilians have been killed in the bombing.

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  164. Anonymous9:19 AM

    You guys are so transparent.

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  165. Lets get something straight troll tex, i'm not trying to appease you, you are the one that got caught in a lie, so either man up, or i;m going to use this every time you pull your troll tactics.

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  166. Anonymous9:20 AM

    The "proof" is available everyday by what you say moron.

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  167. Anonymous9:21 AM

    Or is it "Crisco boy?"

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  168. whats with the anonymous insults Eric are you getting upset, wouldnt want people to think your Troll Tex persona lost its cool!

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  169. Like I said yesterday Eric, if you are the best the repugs got, then you clowns are in serious trouble come November!

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  170. Anonymous9:24 AM

    Wrong again Crisco kid.

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  171. Anonymous9:26 AM

    I told you Mike you're like that guy in the Fed-Ex commercial..you're alway wrong..We dont get French benefits,Steely Dan is'nt one guy. What a dope.

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  172. I was talking to Troll Tex johnny, I can tell the difference between you two clowns, at least TT "TRIES" to sound intelligent.

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  173. "Liberals can never abdondon the idea that we can soothe the savage beast with appeasment weather they are dealing with murderers like Willie Horton or Islamic terrorist...then the beast eats you."
    -anonypuss

    Liberals seem to have enthusiastically embraced Christ's suggestion to "love thine enemy"; it's their friends whom they just can't stand.
    -Freedom Fan

    Libs weep and hold candlelight vigils for vicious murderers like tookie williams who founded the crips gang which has terrorized Los Angeles for decades.

    Similarly they shriek endlessly about the hezbollah suicide bombers getting the stuffings knocked out of them in Lebanon by our friends the Israelis, who are fighting for their right to peacefully co-exist with these murderous maniacs.

    Libs accuse Dubya of being "Pro-Death" for refusing to use federal funds to waste on embryonic stem cell research, which has little chance of ever saving anyone.

    However, libs like barbara boxer seem to think that it's dandy when a viable kid has his brains punctured and sucked out in the course of committing a third semester partial-birth abortion.

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  174. But Troll Tex whats the matter????

    Dont slither away mad, just slither away period!

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  175. Let's think happy thoughts and try to understand the root cause of why Islamic terrorists hate us.

    Gee do you suppose that burkhas come in beige?

    /channelling goofy lib women

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  177. Was it something I said Troll Tex????

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  178. FF I still havent heard you condemn your buddy troll tex for basically calling us rascists and bigots with no proof to support his position, I thought you despise that kind of slander and character assassination FF?

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  179. Good afternoon to all.

    I see Johnny InCognito is here early.

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  180. Anonymous11:16 AM

    Breaking new's,Bobby Bonds was NOT indicted today.....in other news neither was Karl Rove.

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  181. Anonymous11:19 AM

    Where did the code pink boys go? They must be out somewhere holding hands singing Kombaya.

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  182. Anonymous11:24 AM

    Did you see those heroic Israeli freedom fighting pilots dropped 23 tons of bombs on that bunker.We should send them a couple of those Daisy Cutter's that we have,while the turbaned heathens fired rockets into Nazareth killing two young arab boys.

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  183. Anonymous12:26 PM

    To the neocons: regarding Tookie Williams, what does redemption mean to you? What does it mean to be redeemed?

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  184. worry not peace the price off, but

    mine biggen kiss ---

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  185. I have the largest dark

    sarbe of padme light as seen yet

    http://cdn.fastclick.net/fastclick.net/cid45860/media95508.gif

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  186. Fantasy bot said;

    Libs accuse Dubya of being "Pro-Death" for refusing to use federal funds to waste on embryonic stem cell research, which has little chance of ever saving anyone.


    More happy happy joy joy the fanstay bot is not just the freedom cop, and the religion cop, he is pretending to be a scientist,, a clarvoyant one at that..Oh happy day we are blessed with somebody who can tell us what will work in biological reserch with out even doing it...are we the most lucky people around...or is he just a dunce as usual?

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  187. I think Johnny's on drugs.

    Either that or he has the Tourettes going again.

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  188. Yeah, looks like he's spamming the blog again.

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  189. BTW trolltiny testicles..I answered the question directally and answered each point you raised...you not so much..

    You actually avoided the question by giving a generic answer and then trying to qualify it by saying that a treaty which the geneva convention is, which is specifically about a countries actions in WARTIME is fine until wartime, like Israel leadership was not smart enough to understand that bny signing the treaty about what they would not do in war time should not be what they should be held accountable when they are at war....how consistant of you boy...nice repug weasel trick there,

    BUT sorry I can't say the same as you said...

    talllTexan said...

    Actually, Clif, that was a pretty decent answer. I don't agree 100%, but it was a good answer.

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  190. Tiny inTellect said;

    Guys, I don't have time mountains of available time each and every day to spend here at this blog,


    "even though I do a lot of the time, but please ignore that fact during this attempt to evade the question while pretending to answer the question, thank you"


    but I catch up with the posts here, and at other blogs (both Liberal and Conservative) as soon as I can.


    "like when I can think of something to say to spin my way out of answering the question as usual,"

    I fell asleep after the movie, so Clif, here is my answer:

    poor poor TT...blogging is HARD WORK


    I think all nations should adhere to their treaty obligations,


    I did not ask all nations I asked directally about Israel...


    which may include the Geneva Convention,

    It does include the Geneva Convention......which Israel signed thus they agreed to abide by it....

    where applicable,

    this must mean while Israel is at war or using military force, JUST LIKE THEY ARE DOING RIGHT NOW....


    but I don't think these obligations should apply when a nation is in imminent danger of being annihilated.

    Nice spin, but ,

    1 Inaccurate in the present situation, the kidnapping of three Israeli soldiers will not be the proximate cause of the total collapse of the country of Israel..

    2 the rocket attacks which are deplorable, actually do limited damage, compared to the damage Israel is causing to the country of Lebanon, which actually copuld cause the government of Lebanon collapse, thus your assertation is reversed....

    3 The Israelis and any other country if involved with an enemy in combat does take the chance that, however Hezbollah does not have the military capabilities of causing the collapse of the state of Israel, even thoiugh they can cause terrible damage to the northern part of the country, remember Hezbollah has yet to even strike at Telaviv,,let alone cripple it's infrastructure, and cause 500,000 refugees....as usual repug operative gets it backwards...


    That would be like saying that if you are being chased by a serial killer in your car and he is taking pot shots from his car at you, you should obey the speed limit.


    NBo because you did not agree to abide by the speed limit in such an extreme situation, and no law enforcement officer would expect that,

    however the international community does expect the leadership of a nation to do so, otherwise they can end uop like Milosivich, or Saddam...

    And BTW your analogy is not a comparable situation, because no Individual has the resources and capabilities as a country does, thus your comparing apples to sand, not even remotely similar...

    If you did that you would get shot and killed, but the relatives at your funeral could say "[name of deceased] was a law-abiding man."

    Ah the typigcal repug emotional spin to hide the fact their argument is made up of verbal cow pies...


    But, I'm sure they would have preferred that you broke the speed limit and stayed alive.


    same repug emotional spin, but not relevant..as usual...spin, distract, but do not accurately answer the question directally..that would be too honest and repugs can't have that...


    BTW do you have an actual answer to the question?

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  191. I think the trolls are regrouping after the beatings they taken almost everyday for the last week.

    as for FF, he hasnt had a coherent argument in months and months, he resorts to dishonesty and sweeping generalizations that are not true......Like donny Deutche said to Coulter, the mythical animal you are portraying as a liberal DOES NOT EXIST!

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  192. Mike said;

    Like donny Deutche said to Coulter, the mythical animal you are portraying as a liberal DOES NOT EXIST!

    but mike, it does in their delusional minds, which is why they spew such venon and bile, because we will not validate their delusions, thus call into question other delusions they have..ALA fantasy bots self image..he wants us to believe...

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  193. Troll Tex said "Guys, I don't have time mountains of available time each and every day to spend here at this blog,"

    This reminds me of another brilliant quote from repug Ben Bernanke, Bernanke said something to the effect that "we need to keep inflationary expectations contained because it is crucial that we keep inflationary expectations contained"

    Great explantion Ben, you do you fellow repugs pround with your your amazing facts and brilliant logic!

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  194. Fascist Fan hasnt answered one of my questions since the dark ages, if I were these guys i'd be too ashamed to show my face I mean their arguements get shot down faster than a scud missile in the Gulf War and they havent been able to respond to our questions or arguments at all, at least Dolt makes the attempt, the others just run away, change the subject or start the slander and personal attacks.

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  195. 100 Iraqi being killed each day, says UN

    The number of Iraqis being killed each day in Iraq is now around a hundred according to figures released by the UN. One hundred. Each day. Every day.

    As Ghandi stated, "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"

    Bush and Blair have exported death and labelled it democracy. Surely we cannot look at the slaughter taking place on the streets of Iraq and call that democracy? To do so would be Orwellian. As Shakespeare aptly puts it, "It out-Herod's Herod. Pray you avoid it."


    That they could have the gall to do what they have done in Iraq, to unleash the forces that they have unleashed - which they obviously have no way of controlling - that they could cause this level of carnage and then look us in the eye and dare to label it "Democracy" says as much about our democratic system's faults as it does about the sham democracy we have supposedly exported to Iraq.

    Surely in a real democratic system the men responsible for this appalling situation would have been driven from power? Surely they would face such public disapprobation that they would be forced to live in shame in any system in which the power truly resided with the electorate?

    But yet, there the two of them still sit: Shameless.

    After Suez, which was in no way a disaster on the scale of the Iraq debacle, Anthony Eden offered his immediate resignation. That Bush and Blair have not been forced to do the same debases us all.



    http://the-osterley-times.blogspot.com/2006/07/100-iraqis-being-killed-each-day-says.html

    No wonder Putin said to Bush;

    “We Do Not Want The Same Kind of Democracy As Iraq”


    WHO WOULD?

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  196. There was NO WMD and there is no democracy in Iraq.....too bad that was the best excuses they had to invade a country and, cause a nation to become in imminent danger of being annihilated.


    But it looks like it has been annihilated..by the actions of Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld,

    and they still hold on to their delusions and fantasy thinking, as bad as Hitler did in 1945.

    The only difference was he had fantasy armies..and they have a fantasy democracy

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  197. "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?"

    Gandhi

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  198. The Rant
    Bush: Constitution 'just a goddamn piece of paper'
    By DOUG THOMPSON
    Dec 9, 2005, 05:51



    Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

    Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

    GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

    "I don't give a goddamn," Bush retorted. "I'm the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way."

    "Mr. President," one aide in the meeting said. "There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution."

    "Stop throwing the Constitution in my face," Bush screamed back. "It's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

    I've talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution "a goddamned piece of paper."

    And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that "goddamned piece of paper" used to guarantee.

    Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the "Constitution is an outdated document."

    Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesn't matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesn't matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine ­ in the end ­ if something is legal or right.

    Every federal official ­ including the President ­ who takes an oath of office swears to "uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States."

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  199. BTW trolls people are starting to notice;

    It's All Kerry's Fault


    Conservatives are priceless. When they finally notice that American foreign policy is a disaster, they still can't place responsibility where it belongs.

    "Kenneth Adelman, a Reagan administration arms-control official who is close to Vice President Cheney, said he believes foreign policy innovation for White House ended with Bush's second inaugural address, a call to spread democracy throughout the world.

    'What they are doing on North Korea or Iran is what [Sen. John F.] Kerry would do, what a normal middle-of-the-road president would do,' he said. 'This administration prided itself on molding history, not just reacting to events. Its a normal foreign policy right now. It's the triumph of Kerryism.'"

    Um. Excuse me. It is the triumph of Bush/Cheneyism, and don't think we are going to let you forget it.

    A$$holes.

    http://chasecuts.blogspot.com/2006/07/its-all-kerrys-fault.html

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  200. Yeah Clif to these fools all things like democracy or the constitution are, are words and pieces of paper.

    And BTW, the principles outlined in the constitution are timeless much like the Golden Rule, it is these throwbacks running our country that are outdated thugs and criminals.

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