Saturday, December 15, 2012


"The shooter, dressed in para-military gear, targeted kindergartners and first graders." ~ CNN
 Do men think guns are sexy?

Should the government allow everyone to have a stash of Anthrax or a personal nuclear weapon or a missle in their closet, just in case ya'll need it to kill a group of people with?  You think a weapon that can kill 30 people in rapid succession is a normal weapon?  Is it really fear driving you or "eye for an eye" renegade justice? Or is it talk radio amping up the "survivalist mentality" out of fear of the so--called Apocalypse? 

First of all, America worships violence. I am so sensitive lately I can't even watch a James Bond movie. I was so upset over my husband and stepson's immunity and lack of feeling over the last violent movie we saw together, I had to get out of the car and walk home. Violence is not normal to the human soul. My stepson actually got mad at me and said he was annoyed that I was making him "have a conscience" and making him think. He just wanted to enjoy the killing in the movie without being reminded that human lives were spent.

Anger and fear are a deadly combination, no matter what "mentall illness" bad mood, or depression someone is going through. Words cannot describe the pain and grief these families are feeling right now. Our hearts go out to everyone who has lost a child, parent, brother, sister or loved one. God Bless the families of Newton, Connecticut, Aurora, Colorado and Happy Valley, Orgeon — and all the others from Gabby Gifford's shooting, to the Virginia Tech shooting to the Unity Church shooting (egged on by Rush Limbaugh and the other fear mongers who hate liberals for being peacemakers) and the Colombine massacre, and all other mass shootings of innocents throughout our history.

 The time has come. Providence has stepped in, as was the case with Hurricane Sandy. There is no mistaking the evidence, and what we have to do as a nation.

 Remember Glen Beck screaming on CNN: 'Obama's gonna take your guns!!" ~ which resulted in a young man being so fearful and angry (a deadly combination) that he gathered all his semi-automatic weapons and aimed them at the front door and killed the police officers who entered the home at his mother's behest? '

 In China a man took a knife and injured 20 school children. "Injured" is the operative word. The children are still alive. But in America, we have 20 dead children. Remember the Timeline of the insurrection -- hundreds of right wing killings based on the NRA promoting FEAR of liberals taking your gun rights away? In the Constitution, our forefathers NEVER wrote the Second Amendment thinking we would ever need semiautomatic weapons in our homes. Any person with a mental disorder, an anger issue -- or even momentary angerm or a bad mood, or suicidal thought -- can pick up a gun and make a deadly mistake. Why on earth would we, a so-called 'Christian nation" go against everything the Great Peacemaker stated in the Bible? Why would anyone promote ownership of military assault rifles? What a sick nation we are But LOVE will heal us. Don't be alone. What has happened in a strange way, is Divine Providence trying desperately to get our attention. Whethe you believe in a deity or simply "God as Love, which is what I believe -- then we must realize that our higher selves (where the Bible says the Kingdom is, "within us' -- our higher selves are screaming out in pain and desperation; we need to comde together and discuss this without being bullied by fearmongers like the NRA. I am sick and tired of knowing the truth, knowing the Christ Truth, and being called a communist or socialist for wanting peace and love to reign.

You don't find it a bit eerie that Sandy Hook and Superstorm Sandy share a common name? One may have had a hand in turning the tide for Obama's election win because it makes sense that disaster victims receive government help via FEMA funding. Who else is going to step in out of the philanthropy of their heart (aside from the American people?  Red Cross donations, which we all contribute to I'm sure, can't possibly cover all the losses in a major disaster like Hurricane Katrina or Supertorm Sandy.)  This is where Federal Emergency Aid has to come through.  
What a bizarre time to be greedy. And Obama's desire to help disaster victims with federal aid (FEMA) helped him win the election. It was common sense. It also seemed to be providence moving earth and sky. Then with Sandy Hook -- a horrifying sacrifice of lambs in displaying the most innocent victims of gun violence in order to wake us up! How can anyone in Congress -- Democrat or Republican -- vote against their conscience? How can anyone vote against common sense gun control? How can anyone vote against universal background checks and a limit on military assault weapon sales?


  1. THE TIME HAS COME. I am no longer going to stand for being bullied by the NRA. Nor am I going to stop speaking the truth about peace and love. We, as a nation, need to learn that love heals mental illness and LOVE is the only balm that heals. Love is God.

    If we were not so materialistc, and separated by our fear and hatred of each other, spurred on by greed and organizations who hate the "other" -- we would truly be a healed nation.

  2. I was so upset over my husband and stepson's immunity and lack of feeling over the last violent movie we saw together, I had to get out of the car and walk home

    Good for you.

    I've done that before. Walked out of movies because the violence was just wrong. Its one thing to have a movie with guns or violence. War movies about actual wars, telling stories of historical context. Even a good cops and robbers movie or spy movie can be fun once in a while.

    But these movies that glorify it, especially desensitized murder. Its too much.

    I'm a fan of the Bourne trilogy. It was exciting, well done although there was some violence it was limited and controlled. Even that some could argue is over the top, but as violence goes it was measured.

    Now the new Bourne movie shows a scene, IDENTICAL to the one that took place yesterday. The shooter in the Bourne movie walks into a research lab, locks the door then proceeds to calmly shoot at close range every person in the room.

    He empties a clip, then reloads and keeps walking around the room shooting people at point blank range.

    The movie goes out of its way to show the victims cowering on their knees, terrified, crying, sobbing and pleading for their lives.

    But the shooter just calmly, quietly, without uttering a word, shoots them in the face and moves on to the next terrified victim.

    Men and women he kills, one by one.

    Then finally, when he's done, he turns the gun on himself, pointing it up under his chin and pulling the trigger.

    Yesterday the exact same thing happened only to 5 year old children.

    That movie, ...the Bourne movie, ...came out on DVD TWO DAYS earlier.

  3. The shooter followed the exact same pattern as the shooter in the Bourne movie.

    1. Both shooters used 9mm handguns.

    2. Both shooters never spoke a word but just calmly and methodically walked around killing pleading helpless victims.

    3. Both shooters turned the gun on themselves when done.

    No ones saying restricting anyones "free speech". Just for crying out loud show some RESTRAINT and COMMON SENSE in these movies.

    We don't need our kids growing up on a diet of "SAW".

    We don't need to sell our kids video games where he rapes a woman then beats her to death with a pipe.

    We need to be smarter than this.

    And we need to be BETTER than this.

    Those cannot be our values if we want to succeed as a society. What we play at, we do.

    What entertains us, DEFINES us.

  4. Gun control alone's not the answer. Its PART of the answer. A key part.

    But until we address the underlying psychology we're breeding into our citizens we won't stop it.

    Citizens who hunt have a right to hunting weapons. Homeowners or renters have the right to own a weapon if they want to protect their home, a shotgun or nice reliable small caliber revolver, like a 38. Best weapon for home defense. It always fires, no kick, no jam and its easy to point and aim in a small cramped space.

    But what do citizens need GLOCKS with large quantity ammunition clips?

    AR15 Assault Rifles?

    Who needs one? Other than cops?

    Now hear this. You are NOT going to "overthrow the govt", or "protect us from evil govt".

    Our votes do that now. We set up a form of govt that's transparent and that is made up of US. We are the govt. And while at times it can do bad things, it NEVER will get so far out of control that it turns into an evil govt that needs to be overthrown. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

    Because of mass communication and transparency its impossible. That's no longer a threat, and no longer who we are.

    The only way our govt could become evil is if WE become evil, and if that were the case then it would do no good for evil to overthrow evil.

    So ENOUGH with the 2nd amendment protection from the govt crap. Its not a problem, and not one guns could solve if it were.

    Our citizenry needs to stop thinking like an ARMY.

    We need to stop thinking in MILITARY TERMS. We are NO AN ARMY. We're a society. Or at least we're supposed to be.

    Lets try acting like one. Make the choice today. Unless you are a cop or involved in some form of security, make the choice today to live GUN FREE.

    I don't need one.

    And neither do you.

  5. WORF (Now GUN FREE for your pleasure and comfort)2:47 PM

    The only thing you have to ask yourself is, "am I brave enough".

    Do you have the courage, to live without a gun?

    Its a yes or no question.

  6. I have written many letters, articles, blogs and whatever about guns and the NRA.
    Guns MUST be banned.
    The NRA has often said that "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
    That is BS.
    People use guns to kill other people and they have done so in record numbers.
    Society is out of control when it comes to violence and guns are a major part of the problem.
    Gun owners and the NRA always use the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States Bill of Rights as proof of their "right" to bear arms.
    The Second Amendment is outdated and assault weapons and other like weapons have no place in society.
    Such weapons are only used to kill people.
    We the majority of the people have had enough of gun violence and the deaths of so many innocent people including children because of guns.
    The NRA needs to shut up because the people's right to be free from gun violence far outweighs the right to bear arms.
    If (God forbid) your child becomes another shooting victim, I'm sure you will agree.

    George Vreeland Hill

  7. Tonight out on video you can rent the new Matthew Mchonahey movie called "Killer Joe" where he plays a hit man 2 brothers hire to kill their mother.

    Its extremely violent, rated "R" for extreme violence and is by the director of "The Exorcist" (the remake I think).

    Good timing huh?


  8. The shooters mother, the one he shot in the face, she was a gun advocate. She owned some pretty lethal weapons, including a Bushmaster assault rifle and a Glock seem like pretty heavy artillery for a kindergarten teacher.

    But she loved her guns.

    Apparently she homeschooled the kid too.

    Had "problems with the direction" the school district was taking her son in.

  9. We need to really open the dialogue and discuss this without the same old NRA talking points.

    I have heard all the "defense of gun owners' rights" and I'M SICK OF IT.

    Nothing they say makes sense. They are not remotely right. Anyone who defends owning an assault rifle is off base.

  10. All the NRA trolls in the other blogs are saying if only the teachers were armed.

    Well, she was.

    And he used those arms to kill her, then go kill 20 of her kids.

    Apparently being armed isn't the answer, irregardless of the claims of the gun advocates.

  11. Hollywood responds to deadly Conn. school shooting

    By By NICOLE EVATT | Associated Press – 2 hrs 17 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — Hollywood has responded to the rampage at a Connecticut elementary school by pulling back on its offerings, and one star says the entertainment industry should take some responsibility for such violence.

    Jamie Foxx, one of the industry's biggest stars, said Saturday as he promoted Quentin Tarantino's upcoming ultra-violent spaghetti Western-style film about slavery, "Django Unchained," that actors can't ignore the fact that movie violence can influence people.

    "We cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn't have a sort of influence," Foxx said in an interview on Saturday. "It does."

  12. Anonymous9:09 PM

    as he promoted...

    theres a brave stance

  13. Anonymous9:11 PM

    maybe he could disavow the movie or offer his salary to a charity

    nah hell

    hes keeping that money

  14. Almost as brave as squeaking in your negative pessimistic barbs under "anonymous".

  15. He's contractually bound to attend the promos, but clearly it hit home to him and saying something like that is not going to help the movie.

    But I agree he should at least promise to swear off such future projects.

    Tarentino is a sick, twisted fuck, who's perverted necrophilia transposes onto the big screen. His movies are violent garbage. And Hollywood kowtowing to him is sad.

  16. We've known watching violent scenes increases violence in youth since the 1960s. It doesn't make "everyone" go out and kill someone, but it does act to desensitize basic necessary empathy and emotion in those exposed to it repeatedly. The more we see those scenes and laugh the more our minds are desensitized to not only the violence but the moral judgement necessary to discern between right and wrong.

    Movies like this seed already troubled youth, and when you add to that no work and no hope for the future being shoved at them constantly by the losers and naysayers, you get some who are going to follow patterns they've been "entertaining" themselves with into real life.

    People see Rambo like characters routinely now in these things and they invariably come in dressed like that. As if the clothes were a badge or some sort of magic suit that makes killing alright.

    They're growing up without moral guidance from us, and without hope that we can keep the trains running on time or the lights on.

    We've got to start looking at the big picture. What entertains us is who we are and what we'll do.

    Killing entertains us, or at least most of us. That needs to change.

    Also, we need common sense gun laws.

    No one needs to be armed like Rambo.

    Get rid of high capacity magazines and reduce the number of semi-auto weapons out there. Home defense means a 38. 357 maybe. REVOLVER. If you know how to shoot you can't beat a good old reliable Saturday night special for close home defense. They always fire when you pull the trigger. Very simple weapon, anyone can use.

    We don't need magazines capable of killing 15 or 20 people. 6 rounds is sufficient to do the job. There is just no reason for regular citizens to own high capacity semi automatic assault rifles.

    Unless your plan is to go to war.

  17. This is just getting weird.

    NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- A man was arrested Saturday after firing about 50 shots in the parking lot of a Southern California shopping mall, prompting a lockdown of stores crowded with holiday shoppers.

    Marcos Gurrola, 42, of Garden Grove was taken into custody by bicycle police officers patrolling around the open-air Fashion Island mall around 4:30 p.m., police spokeswoman Cathy Lowe said. She said he fired into the air and onto the ground in the parking lot near a Macy's department store.

    No one was injured, but the gunfire caused panic, coming a day after a gunman killed 26 children and adults at a Connecticut elementary school, and days after a deadly mall shooting in Oregon.

    The mall was crowded with holiday shoppers and the parking lot was full. Witnesses said they ran, screaming and ducking for cover.

    "It's a miracle nobody got injured," said Sven Maric, who said he was celebrating his wife's birthday at a restaurant patio about 50 yards away. "The bullets had to land somewhere, and he shot so many."

    Lowe says some stores voluntarily closed their doors and kept shoppers inside while police investigated.

    Bret McGaughey, 22, of Laguna Beach, said he was with his mom in the Apple store when shoppers ran to the rear of the store as employees locked the front entrance. He estimated that up to 100 people stayed in the back of the store for about 30 minutes until Apple employees announced that police said it was safe to reopen the doors.

  18. And here's a THIRD shooting event for today. And if that ain't enough, there's a FOURTH one today as well.

    Ala. police kill suspects after separate shootings

    Associated Press – 2 hrs 52 mins ago

    BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Police in Alabama killed two suspects Saturday following separate shooting incidents 75 miles apart that left three other people dead and several injured, including two officers.

    East of Birmingham, police shot and killed a man armed with an AK-47 assault rifle at the end of a pursuit that began with a triple killing in Cleburne County, near the Georgia state line, authorities said.

    Neighbors reported hearing gunshots at a mobile home park in Heflin and summoned police around 10 a.m., Cleburne Sheriff's office Investigator Michael Gore told The Anniston Star. Authorities were in the process of removing three bodies from the mobile home Saturday night

    Investigator Dennis Green of the Cleburne County Sheriff's Office told the newspaper that the three gunshot victims were males but that authorities were uncertain of their ages. Green said a child younger than age 2 was also injured and taken to a Georgia hospital.

  19. Actually the solution for gun violence is for the supposedly Christian gun fetishists to READ their bible.

    The part about turning the other cheek.

    "You have learnt how it was said: 'Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.' But I say to you, Offer the wicked man no resistance. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; if a man takes you to law and would have your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone orders you to go one mile, go two miles with him." Mt. 5.38-41

    Kinda defeats the purpose of keeping an armory in your house and claiming to be a christian doesn't it?

    Also it would help if they read about other thing Jesus preached about and TOLD us to do;

    "I was hungry and you never gave me food; I was thirsty and you never gave me anything to drink; I was a stranger and you never made me welcome, naked and you never clothed me, sick and in prison and you never visited me . . . I tell you solemnly, in so far as you neglected to do this to one of the least of these, you neglected to do it to me." And they will go away to eternal punishment, and the virtuous to eternal life." Mt 25.42-43,45-46


    "if anyone has two tunics, he must share with the man who has none, and the one with something to eat must do the same." Luke 3.11

    Sorta destroys the memes of the extreme right and their Ayn Rand fetishes, like Paul Ryan found out.

    Just as their screeching about not wanting to pay taxes or goberment is bad, goes against the words of Jesus and Paul in the new testament;

    Matthew 22:15-22

    Then the Pharisees went out and laid plans to trap him in his words. They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by men, because you pay no attention to who they are. Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not?"

    But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, "You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax." They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, "Whose portrait is this? And whose inscription?"

    "Caesar's," they replied.

    Then he said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

    When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.

    Romans 13:5-7

    Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

    Kinda makes you wonder why the supposed christian right fights so hard against what Jesus said to do;

    With their pro-gun anti-poor anti-tax crusading, which directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

    But then again most extreme right wing pro NRA wingnuts have never been about following the path Jesus laid out were they?

    No they claim to be Christians while attacking the core of his message, and celebrate what he decried in those in his time,

    IE the examples of the Sadducees and Pharisees.

    Seems like a Tea Party Christian is a contradiction in terms.

  20. Incredibly prescient comment;

    The right to keep and bear arms can not outweigh the right to bear and keep children.

  21. I'm inclined to accept Chris Rocks solution.

    Allow them all the guns they want to hold, stroke and fondle; but install taxes and fees so each and every bullet costs $10,000 a piece ... with a license required to buy the same.

    Add to Chris Rock's solution this:

    Require mandatory gun insurance,for each and every gun you own, in your home, with higher rates for large capacity guns, semi automatic weapons, conceal carry permits. Add steep increases in rates for any bad marks on your record, like instances of violence, drug or alcohol issues, inability to properly store and control your guns, or failing to report a lost or stolen gun.

    Failure of meeting and keeping these requirements constitutes a class C or D felony with NO plea bargains allowed, which means immediate loss of rights to own or carry guns .....

    Isn't a perfect solution but would definitely help.

  22. Just as the license and insurance costs have helped to cut down on DUI problems, this might be of help here.

    Also cuts deep into violent gun crimes because no criminal could have a gun without more violations of the law with stiffer sentences for the same criminal acts which means less time on the street to commit crimes in the first place.

    BTW each individual gun in your position MUST be a separate charge. So the cumulative effect of gun violence would become very hard to bear the first time let along any repeat offenders.

    Beats the hell out of locking up people for years over a joint, and would make the society a much better place to live in.

  23. I do believe in gun control, nonetheless, I recently posted a comment about “Countess Elizabeth Báthory” (which everyone ignored) who around 1600 slaughtered 650 young girls and children in the most gruesome manner. Why did she do this?? Obviously she had a major brain did not exist!

    According to, Worf, mankind was oblivious to violence prior to “The Bionic Man” dueling the Sasquatch or wiping out zombies in the “Resident Evil” video game…………astonishingly absurd !!!! I’m sorry but there are many a good educated and uneducated people out there who enjoy a good horror or action thriller yet live decent and very civil lives. Nevertheless, there will always be some unbalanced twit who will watch “Rambo” and act inappropriately. However, far worse violent acts have been committed long before the onset of media and these weirdies are few and far between.

    I love action and horror flicks but don’t get me wrong my favorite show growing up was “Little House on the Prairie.” Watched every episode 5 times over.

  24. “Seeking external motivations for irrational acts, placing blame became a national pastime. Movies, music, working mothers, poor parenting, video games, lack of Christian prayer in schools were all viable scapegoats.

    The United States Congress’s investigation of video games was not dissimilar to the 1950’s investigation of such pop culture publications as “Tales from the Crypt” and “Mad Magazine. Television reruns of “Popeye the Sailor “once came under attack for his spinach fueled fisticuffs. And, the “Three Stooges slapstick antics prompted concern that America’s next generation would slap themselves silly while poking each other’s eyes out.”

    John Edward Douglas
    U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), one of the first criminal profilers, and criminal psychology author.

  25. “except in a few specialized cases, the media(and this includes pornography)do not lead otherwise good or law-abiding people to commit violent antisocial acts.”

    John Edward Douglas
    U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), one of the first criminal profilers, and criminal psychology author.

  26. JMM............Master turban destroyer!



  27. Kinda makes you wonder why the supposed christian right fights so hard against what Jesus said to do;

    With their pro-gun anti-poor anti-tax crusading, which directly contradicts the teachings of Jesus.

    But then again most extreme right wing pro NRA wingnuts have never been about following the path Jesus laid out were they?

    No they claim to be Christians while attacking the core of his message, and celebrate what he decried in those in his time,

    IE the examples of the Sadducees and Pharisees.

    Seems like a Tea Party Christian is a contradiction in terms.

    I wish I could "like" that comment a 1000 times.

    Its the thing they all miss.

    They want a "warrior" Jesus. They don't want the Jesus of the Bible

  28. Bozo said...

    I do believe in gun control, nonetheless, I recently posted a comment about “Countess Elizabeth Báthory” (which everyone ignored) who around 1600 slaughtered 650 young girls and children in the most gruesome manner. Why did she do this?? Obviously she had a major brain did not exist!

    So let me see if I have this straight.

    To discredit sound and proven facts, Johnny now has to reach back to medieval times to prove his nonsense?

    He thinks the social more's and standards of the 1600s, are to be used as proof that media doesn't influence behavior?

    That is the argument of an idiot.

    Where do I start?

  29. Might as well make the argument that they didn't smoke cigarettes yet they died back then of cancer too, therefore cigarettes don't cause cancer.

  30. Its a baby's argument.

    Baby talk. Nothing more.

    The inane babble of an ignorant child.

    Any idiot knows that you cant' even remotely compare social more's and standards from such a time period to explain actions of society today.

    These people had a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MORALITY than us. They had completely different values.

    Children were held as SLAVES. SEXUAL slaves for priests.

    People who dropped out of church were BURNED ALIVE. Had their SKIN PEELED OFF, TORTURED. KILLED.

    The govt routinely sacked other nations, ENSLAVED their populations and stole their land and wealth.

    So to sit back, like some fat, ignorant inbred lazy brained idiot....and just say "gee, they killed people in the 1600's yet they didn't watch TV so TV must not be an influence", just infantile babble.

  31. I wish the right wing had some intelligent trolls.

    Because sometimes it gets tiring, arguing with these non thinking, tiny brained rubes.

  32. “except in a few specialized cases, the media(and this includes pornography)do not lead otherwise good or law-abiding people to commit violent antisocial acts.”


    Not to mention the fact that no one said its going to "lead otherwise good or law abiding people".

    I said it takes the ones with PROBLEMS, and acts as a catalyst.


    It has been PROVEN, time and time again that watching violence on TV or the movies makes people more violent particularly right after viewing it.

    Its like alcohol or hypnosis.

    Its not going to MAKE you do something you don't have in you.

    But it can help bring out that which is in your subconscious.

    Watching violent movies can take an already troubled youth, and turn him into a killer.

    You're an idiot Johnny. And its because this world has idiots like you standing in the way of progress with your "nuh uh I don't believe it" crap, that facilitates the events like the shooting of those 20 kids.

    You don't want to "believe" your violent movies and games are a danger to society.

    So you and a billion other idiots like you, sell your nonsense, ignore the science and it keeps on happening.

    Over and over and over.


  33. Sorry you feel this is a topic to beat your chest on and strut around celebrating, but I don't think with 20 dead little kids its a time for that.

    Your lack of human empathy, and your crass, callous chest beating are typical of the ignorant, apathy of the right wing douchebags in here.

    Its that same apathy, that allowed that loser with the gun to shoot them.

    Its not "funny" Johnny.

  34. Violence in our movies has more than quadrupled in the past 15 years. We're seeing more and more violent acts, and those acts are becoming more SADISTIC, SICK, TWISTED and CALLOUS as we go.

    Now the "heroes" of movies routinely TIE DOWN AND TORTURE victims.

    Oh sure, they're careful to make the plot show you how the victim "deserves it".

    But then out comes the knives, SAWS, hammers, CAR BATTERIES, ...etc.

    Regular movies like "TAKEN" with fine actors like "LIAM NEESON", TORTURING some helpless "bad guy".

    Problem is, there is no "bad guy".

    They're both bad.

    And that's what we're feeding our kids. Only a complete IDIOT would think that you can pump this sort of ultra violent, realistic imagery into our kids heads day in and day out and NOT have it affect them.

    It DESENSITIZES them to it.

    It DESENSITIZES them to basic human empathy.


    It blurs the lines between good and evil then removes them altogether.

    Liars like Johnny will try to downplay this, because as he stated he loves his violence and blood on the big screen.

    Its "fun" for him.

    Because deep down, its all that's inside of him.

  35. And Johnny's young. One day, he might snap too. He's certainly gone off in here on rants about his ex wife and how she's so evil, etc.

    I could see it.

    He's one of those losers that's fine as long as things are fine in his life, but when the hardships come...


  36. By Johnny's logic, since people recovered from bacterial infections in the 1600s before the invention of antibiotics, ...therefore we must conclude that antibiotics do not cure bacterial infections.

  37. Don't try to explain that to him though.

    Like most conservatives he's too stupid to understand.

    Just hang your head and be thankful there are jobs out there where pounding a blunt instrument against an inanimate object can earn folks like him a living.

  38. Comments from the right wing on the tragedy in Conn.

    – “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered.” [Larry Pratt, Gun Owners Of America]

    – “Had Connecticut not had the no guns in school laws….Had the principal, the maintenance man, a teacher, been allowed to keep a gun in their office, maybe just maybe, this would have come out differently.” [Bob Irwin, The Gun Store]

    – “I only wish the kindergarten teacher and principal in Connecticut had been armed.” [Dr. Keith Ablow, Fox News]

    – “[S]o looking at this tragedy that happened with K-12, we might have to have an armed employee at the schools, that’s a measure, that’s a measure.” [Michele Fiore, Nevada Assemblywoman]

    – “Look at what has happened, all these attacks this year have occurred where guns are banned.” [John Lott, author of More Guns, Less Crime]

    – “Well, I believe those of us who are licensed to carry, are responsible people, shouldn’t be prohibited from carrying in schools or other places.” [Steve Dulan, Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners]

  39. Someone needs to explain to this gun worshiping cretins, ...that the teacher DID have guns.

    3 of them.

    And the shooter took them, killed her then 20 little kids with them.

    So much for the "if only she had a gun to protect her" bullshit.

  40. "These people had a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MORALITY than us. They had completely different values."

    Are you actually trying to suggest that 500 years ago people had no concept in the immoral act of murder?

    ASTOUNDING........Worf is attempting to equate,time, morality, and the difference between right and wrong whilst comfortably ignoring the human glitch factor???

    Well,Einstein,Elizabeth Báthory,was imprisoned for the rest of her life due to the fact that certain officials found her murderous methods morally incorrect.

    She must have watched "The Three Stooges" via Satellite.


  41. Are you actually trying to suggest that 500 years ago people had no concept in the immoral act of murder?

    You're too stupid to even talk to if you have to ask that question.

    No Johnny, murder back then, depended on who was doing the murdering.

    Comparing the actions of a citizen in modern society to the actions of an EVIL TYRANT in medieval times, is beyond stupid.

    Its infantile babble.

  42. And comparing the slapstick comedy of the three stooges to a recreation in a movie where a shooter walks into a lab, locks the door then walks around methodically shooting pleading, kneeling cowering victims in the face....


    Again, just too stupid to even address.

  43. You keep on defending it though.

    Keep embracing the evil, and perhaps one day the evil will embrace you.

    Johnny reminds me of a character played by Steve Martin in the movie "GRAND CANYON".

    Martin plays a movie producer who makes very violent films with lots of blood and gore.

    One day Martin's walking to his car and is mugged. In the process he's shot low in the hip. The scene shows him laying there in a pair of white slacks soaked in his own urine, blood and feces running down the leg.

    He has an ephiphany, and decides to change his violent movies, only to later return to them. The moral was people are stupid, and people like him are too stupid to put pieces together.

    The sign of ignorance is the inability to link related issues together.

    The inability to see a few moves down the board.

    The inability to factor in "contributors".

    For babbling little rubes in diapers like Johnny, if it don't directly cause it so I can see it then it must not be real".

    That's the extent of their thinking.

    They can't look at the nuance and connections. The contributing factors to things elude them.

    Because they're too stupid to see them.

    Or just don't want to.

  44. If you are too stupid to know that taking the young, PLIABLE minds of a 16 year old boy, who's testosterone's raging and he doesn't yet know how to deal with it, ...with all his confusion of youth and the messed up world he sees every day on TV, .....taking his mind and pumping it full of ultra violent images where "Powerful" shooters calmly EXECUTE helpless victims, ....TORTURE them.....murder them.....(and he's the "hero")....if you can't see how that is going to corrupt young minds and turn SOME of them to acts like the shooting in Conn, then you're too stupid for words.

    You're not part of the solution at that point, you're just part of the problem.

  45. Senators want commission to look at mass shootings

    By By ANNE FLAHERTY | Associated Press – 1 hr 12 mins ago

    Sen. Joseph Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who is retiring, said there should be a national commission to scrutinize gun laws and loopholes, as well as the nation's mental health system and the role that violent video games and movies might play in shootings

  46. A few months I wrote some thoughts in here on a movie called "The HUNGER GAMES". The Hunger Games was a movie that was pushed to our children and youth.

    It was a "kids movie".

    A movie about kids in fact.

    Kids brutally killing other kids.

    The movie shows graphic scenes where older this Adam Lanza character....beat, shoot and bludgeon to death, little children.

    While an audience cheers.

    The "Hero" of the movie....a girl..... a pretty, heroic girl....shoots other kids through the neck and head with a Compound Bow.

    Its a wonderful "kids movie".

    That shows kids a "HERO", ..who kills other children.

    There's a few particularly disturbing graphic scenes where kids as young as 6 and 7 are mercilessly slaughtered, with everything from rocks, to clubs to spears.

    When I wrote about this, I warned that we might be seeing kids killing other kids soon.

    Then exactly what I predict happens, but.....oh no, can't bother to look at it and consider that it might play a role.

    After all, why would teaching kids to remove all morality, .....remove their morality?


  47. Let me put it in simple terms, that even a babbling buffoon like Johnny can grasp.

    These "shooters" we're seeing in the news are all wearing these combat clothes, black, all wearing assault vests, either armored or to carry extra ammo, etc....combat style clothes, etc.

    Where do they get that idea?

    Where do they see people wearing those clothes?

    Oh yea.

    On TV and in the Movies.

    : |

    Now...wanna tell me again how they're not influence by TV and the Movies?

  48. ...are we learning yet?

  49. The shooter in the recent "Batman" shootings that murdered all those movie goers at the Batman premiere, WORE A JOKER MASK.

    : |

    Yet the our own in house resident genius, Johnny, ...can't connect the dots.


    He wears a prop FROM THE MOVIE...yet these geniuses like Johnny still can't put that "puzzle" together.

  51. Too Many Children See Extreme Violence In Movies

    Aug. 4, 2008 — In a paper published in the August issue of the journal Pediatrics, Dartmouth researchers document the alarming numbers of young adolescents age 10-14 who are exposed to graphic violence in movies rated R for violence.

    They found that these extremely violent movies were seen by an average of 12.5 percent of an estimated 22 million children age 10-14. One R-rated movie, Scary Movie, was seen by an estimated 10 million children, or about 48 percent of 10-14 year olds.
    "Our data reveal a disturbingly high rate of exposure among 10-14 year olds nationally to extremely violent movies," says Keilah Worth, the lead author on the study and a post-doctoral fellow at Dartmouth Medical School and at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center's Norris Cotton Cancer Center. "In Britain, no adolescent would be admitted to these movies unless they were 18. The R rating in this country is clearly not preventing our young people from seeing them."

    Many scientific studies have established the connection between exposure to media violence and aggression and violence in children. For example, playing video games can lead to changes in attitudes and behavior as well as desensitization to actual violence.

    From Science Daily -


  52. So we see that the "opinions" of know nothing assholes like Johnny Moo Moo don't change the FACTS.

    As I said at the beginning, MANY SCIENTIFIC STUDIES have already ESTABLISHED the connection.

    We don't "think" this. We KNOW IT.

    Opinions of idiots like Moo Moo need not apply.

    The data's already in and the connection well established.

    Now we just have to push the idiots like Johnny Moo Moo out of the way, so we can DO something about it to protect our children moving forward.

  53. "We know so much about the harmful effects of exposure to violent media content, but how much exposure children actually get has been largely ignored.

    Now, we're learning more about the large numbers of kids seeing this material and who they are," says Worth."

    Science Daily
    Journal Of Pediatrics, Dartmouth
    (Study supported by the National Institutes of Health)

  54. Of course, a right wing troll named Moo Moo who hangs sheetrock for a living says "nuh uh" soo........must not be so, huh?

  55. The Impact of Media Violence on Children and Adolescents: Opportunities for Clinical Interventions

    Eugene V Beresin, M.D.
    Director of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Residency Training
    Massachusetts General Hospital and McLean Hospital

    While violence is not new to the human race, it is an increasing problem in modern society.
    With greater access to firearms and explosives, the scope and efficiency of violent behavior has had serious consequences. We need only look at the recent school shootings and the escalating rate of youth homicides among urban adolescents to appreciate the extent of this ominous trend. While the causes of youth violence are multifactorial and include such variables as poverty, family psychopathology, child abuse, exposure to domestic and community violence, substance abuse and other psychiatric disorders, the research literature is quite compelling that children's exposure to media violence plays an important role in the etiology of violent behavior.

    - American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

  56. "While it is difficult to determine which children who have experienced televised violence are at greatest risk, there appears to be a strong correlation between media violence and aggressive behavior within vulnerable "at risk" segments of youth."

    - American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry


  57. ...but Johnny smugly laughs and babbles some incoherent twaddle about the 17th century and says "nuh uh"

  58. Over the past 30 years there has been extensive research on the relationship between televised violence and violent behavior among youth.

    Longitudinal, cross-sectional, and experimental studies have all confirmed this correlation.

    - American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

  59. "In general, violence on television and in movies often conveys a model of conflict resolution. It is efficient, frequent, and inconsequential.

    Heroes are violent, and, as such, are rewarded for their behavior.

    They become role models for youth.

    It is "cool" to carry an automatic weapon and use it to knock off the "bad guys."

    The typical scenario of using violence for a righteous cause may translate in daily life into a justification for using violence to retaliate against perceived victimizers. Hence, vulnerable youth who have been victimized may be tempted to use violent means to solve problems."

    - American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry


  60. ....lotta big words there and all I'll wait while your brain catches up with your eyes.

  61. ...and your mouth.

  62. Anonymous2:24 PM

    he may have a point jonathon

    i myself developed a horrible drug addition after spending many drunken hours playing pac man in a bar
    just watching him eat all those pills

    i also started stockpiling weapons to defend myself from multi colored ghosts

  63. Anonymous2:27 PM

    and now i keep hearing these voices in my head

    they go wocka wocka wocka wocka

  64. Anonymous2:28 PM

    of course that may just be fozzie from watching the muppet show

  65. Anonymous2:31 PM

    i learned to hate from watching the two old men in the balcony

    it desensitized me to intolerance


  66. 1. Its not "me" that's right. Its the findings of decades of research and the medical, psychiatric and scientific bodies producing it.

    They're right.

    2. Typical of the right wing midget mind that you are, ridiculing and making inane babble is all you have by way of retort.

    Because the facts prove YOU are wrong.

  67. WORFY3:12 PM

    Of course can't expect much more.

    Tea Bagger.

    You don't believe in science.

  68. But I will give you this.

    You appear awfully dialed in on the Muppet show.


    Hi Voltron.

    Probably shouldn't have done the two old men in the balcony routine.

    We've heard that one too many times from you.

  70. You need a new stand up act.

    Try Howdy Doody.

    You already got the look down.

  71. WORFY4:51 PM

    By the way, .. bout those voices in your head.

    The ones going wocka wocka wocka wocka...

    : |

    If they ever stop going wocka wocka wocka, .. and start telling you to do bad things to people,... start with the guy in the medicine cabinet looking back at you.

    You know.

    The crazy one with the stringy hair and bad teeth who keeps looking at you "that way."

  72. His eyes will look at lot like yours, ..

    : |

    ...except his will be spinning in the opposite direction.

  73. Tree Logger,Worf,is truly dumber than a bucket of Fred Flintstones quarry rocks.

    And,here he goes again with his speedy Googling so as to tell us his "decades of studies, from billions of scientists" bullshit which has amounted to nothing.

    Probably just another witch-hunt funded by congress to find a scapegoat.

    If you honestly believe that forcing the people to watch "Seasame Street" will overcome mankinds natural instinctive curiosity/love of tragedy & turmoil, so as to create an illusory perfect society, then you have been breathing far too much chainsaw exhaust.

    Your happy vision of a police state is creepy and alarming. Making the whole of society pay for the acts of a few unbalanced individuals is............INSANE!

    I suggest drugs (which seem to be everywhere now) and adult apathy is a far more viable excuse. Nevertheless,this does not explain why good kids raised by excellent parents commit some of the most atrocious acts.

    Yet, and this is important Einstein,some people who have suffered immense difficulties and hardship's go on to lead the most civil and prosperous lives?????????????????

    Here, Einstein,check this out.


  74. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm..............wonder if Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin played video games and watched “Die Hard”????

    Well, I have to go and play “Battlefield 1943 now .However, I have this incredible urge to poke Princess in the eyes after watching the Stooges this morning.

  75. And,here he goes again with his speedy Googling so as to tell us his "decades of studies, from billions of scientists" bullshit which has amounted to nothing.

    ...hmmm, bullshit. Let's see.

  76. Over the past 30 years there has been extensive research on the relationship between televised violence and violent behavior among youth.

    Longitudinal, cross-sectional, and experimental studies have all confirmed this correlation.

    hmm, well this is from the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry in a study funded and supported by the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

    ..but....a half baked right wing troll that hangs sheetrock for a living, ...says its bullshit.

    So that dismisses it I reckon.

  77. there appears to be a strong correlation between media violence and aggressive behavior within vulnerable "at risk" segments of youth."

    - American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

  78. "We know so much about the harmful effects of exposure to violent media content,

    Science Daily
    Journal Of Pediatrics, Dartmouth

  79. Once more the home schooled idiot that is the right wing, proves that the facts mean nothing to them.

    Their "belief" is the only reality they're interested in.

    No matter how many children, have to die.

  80. Over the past 30 years there has been extensive research on the relationship between televised violence and violent behavior among youth.

    Longitudinal, cross-sectional, and experimental studies have all confirmed this correlation.

    American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

  81. ...but a guy on the internet who drinks beer and hangs sheetrock for a living calling himself JohnnyMooMoo says it "tain't so"

    I'm sure he knows better than the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, ...or the Journal of Pediatrics at Dartmouth.

    Or the National Institutes of Health.

  82. At least in his own tiny mind, which is typical of the mind of the republican.

    Facts don't matter, even when they're from the highest accredited organizations on the planet in the field.. Those are the leading bodies on the subject of child psychiatry and developmental research. But nope.

    Nothings enough for them. Ever.

    Like the stupid little baby Johnny is he just sticks out his bottom lip and says "nope" and that's it.

    Because like most, ignorant republicans, all that matters, is his "opinion".

  83. The American Academy of Pediatrics recognizes exposure to violence in media, including television, movies, music, and video games, as a significant risk to the health of children and adolescents.

    Extensive research evidence indicates that media violence can contribute to aggressive behavior, desensitization to violence, nightmares, and fear of being harmed.


  84. ;the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) was joined by the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and the American Psychological Association in issuing an unprecedented “Joint Statement on the Impact of Entertainment Violence on Children” (

    Although recent school shootings have prompted politicians and the general public to focus their attention on the influence of media violence, the medical community has been concerned with this issue since the 1950s.

  85. "On the basis of a growing and nearly unanimous body of evidence associating media violence with increased aggression in young people, the US Surgeon General issued a special report on the public health effects of media violence in 1972."

  86. Ten years later, the National Institute of Mental Health issued a comprehensive review of the research on media violence and its effects, outlining concerns for children's psychological health,3 as did a report generated by the American Psychological Association in 1993.


  87. Research has associated exposure to media violence with a variety of physical and mental health problems for children and adolescents, including aggressive behavior, desensitization to violence, fear, depression, nightmares, and sleep disturbances.

    More than 3500 research studies have examined the association between media violence and violent behavior; all but 18 have shown a positive relationship.


  88. Johnnymoomoo said...

    And,here he goes again with his speedy Googling so as to tell us his "decades of studies, from billions of scientists" bullshit which has amounted to nothing.

    Worf never said "Billions of scientists". Just one of Johnny's intentional misquotes (lies) exposed again.

    Over 3500 studies. Spanning multiple decades. From the top accredited (and accrediting, the AMA is who certifies our doctors) scientific bodies in the field.

    THIS, what this drunken, video game playing adult twit, ...calls "nothing".

  89. Children learn by observing and trying out “behavioral scripts.”

    Repeated exposure to violent behavioral scripts can lead to increased feelings of hostility,
    expectations that others will behave aggressively, desensitization to the pain of others, and increased likelihood of interacting and responding to others with violence.

  90. Video games are an ideal environment in which to learn violence.

    They place the player in the role of the aggressor and reward him or her for successful violent behavior.

    Repetition increases their effect.


  91. When Johnny's clock has been thoroughly cleaned, he never admits defeat.

    Like Voltron, he just crawls quietly away.

  92. Like Voltron, he just crawls quietly away.

    When they are crawling, they KNOW they have been defeated even if their juvenile psyches won't allow them to admit it.

  93. That's sad, that Christmas eve picture. Almost made me cry. But it's accurate.

    This is just crap.

    I saw the kids pictures tonight. Its impossible to get your head around it.

  94. We need to get rid of these weapons that fire so fast and hold so many rounds.

    We also need to institute a better system for controlling who sees these ultra violent movies. Apparently in England and other countries they don't let kids or teens see the violent stuff or play violent video games.

    Here our kids are drowning in it.

    Only a complete fool can't see that that is a recipe for disaster, brainwashing them with ultra violent movies and video games then giving them easy access to assault weapons.

    What sort of fool couldn't see that?

  95. As we speak, 2 cops just lost their life from some 22 year old kid with a gun.

    2 Topeka officers fatally shot outside market

    Associated Press – 2 hrs 30 mins ago

    TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Authorities say
    two Topeka police officers were shot outside a grocery store and died later at a hospital.

    Topeka police say a 22-year-old male suspect was still at large after
    Sunday evening's shooting. He is believed to be armed and extremely dangerous.

    The officers were shot when they
    were responded to a report of a suspicious vehicle at a central Topeka grocery store. They were identified as 50-year-old Cpl. David Gogian and 29-year-old Officer Jeff Atherly.

    A small crowd gathered for a candlelight vigil outside the Topeka Police headquarters as police announced the officers' deaths to reporters nearby.

  96. What's that Voltron and right wing trolls always say?

    What are all the right wing pundits and gun advocates saying right now on TV?

    Oh yea.

    "If only they had had guns to protect themselves with".

    Well, these cops had guns.

    So it looks like Louis Gomert is going to need a new argument.

  97. More Guns in many more hands is NOT the answer. There is a mountain of evidence that having far too many guns in far too many hands doesn’t end well.

    Intercity gangs, Iraq after the illegal invasion, Afghanistan right now, Mexico where drug gangs with guns rule, The Rock Springs massacre, The Thibodaux Massacre, Tulsa race riot, Waco …. and hundreds more just in the USA.

    Our history is replete with many instances where unregulated guns exists and were used with tragic results.

    Every time massive numbers of people have unregulated guns, any conflict can escalate into tragedy.

    I had MP training from the a National Guard member while I was in ROTC. I certainly wouldn't want to walk into a stand off where many gun toting people are shooting it out and try to decide who is the bad guy. You have to react quickly when the bullets are flying. A wrong decision would just further escalate the tragedy.

    Most people do not understand even though guns are accurate for only a certain range, they are deadly mush further than that. Every shot that misses the intended target becomes a potential for what the military calls collateral damage. Massively increase the number of people who pull guns a shoot back, then you most likely increase the death toll.

    I have had extensive training with firearms, and that includes fire control for the battle field. The training includes trying in that complex situation to make sure you do not inadvertently fire at your own troops or allies. It is definitely a one or two hour block of instruction, but days and weeks of training in both very controlled firing range conditions with live ammo, and field exercises with simulated fire, using computer controlled devices to simulate the shots taken and results.

    Given all the training I had, I know right now not having kept up that training, I am far too rusty, if you will, to claim any competence to attempt to walk into a situation and be able with the certainty necessary to shoot and kill someone on my belief they are the "bad guy".

    Police receive similar training, days of it, and retraining yearly, SWAT teams train very extensively like the military does. Even with all their training, and best efforts once in a while they do the unthinkable, and kill an innocent.

    Most citizens have far too much to do in their daily lives to attempt such extensive training. No, I know arming most of the civilian population of the US and then saying go and respond when you think it is needed, will never end successfully, in ONLY defeating the "bad guys".

    Look at what happens when the bad guys are determined and willing to fight to the bitter end, like the North Hollywood Shoot-Out. Can you imagine the carnage if civilians with no training tried to intervene?

    The number of bad guys would be impossible for police to determine, and given the wild loose firing no ability to control the situation would exist until, the police could separate the civilians from the two heavily armed bad guys, while ducking far more wild shots from many many more shooters they have no communication with or control over.

    No the ridicules pipe dream from the juvenile gun fetishists at the NRA won't work, but then again it isn't designed to work in the real world, just prevent serious attempt at removing dangerous guns from those who should never be allowed access to them in the first place.

  98. It's bad enough that Johnny doesn't want to do anything about it. He just wants to lazily declare "there will always be violence!" and accept it without "believing" in the hard facts we have on how we can work to reduce it.

    But its when they work against anyone else trying to do something about it, like addressing violence in video games and movies and TV, or remove assault weapons from our communities, then that's when they do damage.

    They don't want to "believe" in science and that's fine. Like any little baby they're free to believe what they want in their own little fantasyland world.

    But when they start impacting our laws and society in such a way that their stupidity is getting our people killed, and worse our kids, then its time to push them out of the way and get the hard work done ourselves.

    Sometimes if you want a job done right then you gotta do it yourself.

  99. What strikes me the most though Clif, is his almost gleeful attitude, mocking and ridiculing things and beating his chest with his usual narcissistic chants.

    No reverence for the subject at hand. No respect, no apparent empathy, just apathy.

    Which is exactly what they say playing these video games does to people. Desensitizes them. Makes them apathetic to the suffering of others.

    And Johnny by his own admission plays these for hours.

    What irony.

  100. Well mook mook is on very unstable ideological ground, because even Fox news is having people on who agree with your view point, and say mook mook is wrong.

    So in essence even Fox acknowledges that spreading extreme violence especially games that allow children and impressionable people to role play at mass murder is not good for the society.

    It trains them in the wrong things just for a profit to the gamer corps.

  101. Most citizens have far too much to do in their daily lives to attempt such extensive training.

    They want us to live in a Paramilitary state, armed to the teeth, all dressed and trained like Rambo, so we can all start shooting each other for the most minor of infractions.

    Like they did in Tombstone.

  102. As an aside, games were just coming out while I was still in, and the military definitely was taking notice and using them to increase the skill sets of individual soldiers.

    It also depersonalizes those you are fighting, and for most people the first step towards killing another is to stop seeing them as a fellow human.

    That is a very large part of the reason most troops called the Vietnamese "gooks",

    and US troops in Iraq refered to the Iraqi people as "rag heads", "camel jockeys" or "haji"

    mook mook and many people play the games so they can feel much larger then their normal every day life allows. what they do not realise is their fictional increase in self esteem and excitement comes from the depersonalized mass slaughter of fictional human beings. Some lose the dividing line and move the game into the real world, or at least view many in the real world as they view their adversary in the games, hence the turban ripping, here, which is just an extension of the gaming mind set ........ or the claims of being the one when nothing of consequence has happened or been achieved.

  103. Clif said...

    So in essence even Fox acknowledges that spreading extreme violence especially games that allow children and impressionable people to role play at mass murder is not good for the society.

    I think the only reason they're doing it is because they're hoping it takes some of the heat off their precious gun lobby.

  104. Clif said..

    mook mook and many people play the games so they can feel much larger then their normal every day life allows. what they do not realise is their fictional increase in self esteem and excitement comes from the depersonalized mass slaughter of fictional human beings.

    Some lose the dividing line and move the game into the real world, or at least view many in the real world as they view their adversary in the games, hence the turban ripping, here, which is just an extension of the gaming mind set ........ or the claims of being the one when nothing of consequence has happened or been achieved.


  105. cars vs guns

    sudafed vs ammo

    We need sensible regulations on the dangers that are guns just like we have on Cars and prescription and other dangerous drugs.

  106. The right wings general response?

    "we need more guns"..."if only the teachers had been armed".

    Someone explain to these rubes that the one teacher WAS armed, that's how the shooter got the weapons in the first place. He took them from her.

  107. Proving that as most cops will tell you, a gun in the home is more likely to kill the home owner or a family member than it is an intruder.

  108. Trust me worf, having fun with one here right now.

  109. BTW the shooters mother wasn't a teacher at the school.

    That was reported wrong on the day of the shooter.

    She was divorced from the shooters father and he provided $200,000 alimony payments to her.

  110. Cliffy said

    "We need sensible regulations on the dangers that are guns just like we have on Cars and prescription and other dangerous drugs."


    Also,may I suggest that concerned citizens should simply lobby Hollywood and the gaming industry for more family orientated material if they feel that strongly about it..........let the people decide!

  111. clif said...
    Trust me worf, having fun with one here right now.

    The guys full of crap.

    No ones having a firefight on the border with the Mexican drug cartels except the feds. If there were such firefights going on between regular citizens and the cartels it'd be all over the news.

    He's full of crap.

  112. Also,may I suggest that concerned citizens should simply lobby Hollywood and the gaming industry for more family orientated material if they feel that strongly about it..........let the people decide!


    The sane ones. The others need to shut up and get out of the way.

    Hollywood has reacted strongly to the shooting, pulling movies, holding premieres of violent movies, adding warnings, etc.

    If Hollywood didn't know their movies help influence this sort of behavior, they wouldn't be doing this.

    They know. And so do we.

  113. In Arizona, where the attempted assassination of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the slaughter of six others took place last year, almost anyone can have a permit to carry a concealed weapon and be allowed to take guns into a bar (where presumably they are going to drink something more potent than lemonade); that same state's legislators have talked about passing laws permitting teachers and students to carry their guns to school with them.

    Such is the contagion of madness.

    "The Telegraph" - Britian

  114. Beyond the individual state of the killer, the U.S. has a national pathology. The legality of gun ownership is a matter of course in the U.S., more so than anywhere else in the world. In 2012, some 270 million firearms were in private ownership. Every year, (thousands of) people are killed with them. In most states it's easier to get a firearm than a driver's license.

    This madness can only — if at all — be stopped in moments like this one. Against the tragic backdrop of 20 murdered children

    Die Tageszeitung: Germany

  115. President Obama's "never again" are little more than plaintive words. He's trying to provide comfort, but he certainly isn't promising any improvement. During Obama's first term, more than 40,000 of his compatriots died in a hail of bullets.

    One out of 10 of these victims was under the age of 18. He never even had the courage to at least come up with stronger laws to take some of the deadliest weapons out of the hands of civilians. Viewed in political terms, that is at least equivalent to the crime of failing to assist a person in danger. Obama points to the constitutionally protected right for US citizens to possess weapons.

    In reality, however, he is wary of a battle with the Republicans and the gun lobby. Their opposition to almost any kind of gun control borders on political complicity in murder and manslaughter...

    [T]here is no place in Western Europe where violence from gun barrels rampages in the way it does in the United States.

    Süddeutsche Zeitung:Germany

  116. Nowhere else in the world are so many weapons in circulation as in the US.

    In no other country are citizens as well armed. The U.S. Constitution guarantees every American the right to move about in public as though he or she is John Wayne in person. One can see it as a national tradition. But this martial approach to liberty is also a relic of the past and one that is out of step with the times.

    Every 20 minutes, a U.S. citizen is murdered by a firearm.

    American schoolchildren are killed by bullets 10 times more often than in comparable industrialized countries. Such numbers speak for themselves.

    Stuttgarter Zeitung: Germany


  117. To Australians it seems incredible that U.S. politicians will not move to control guns. It seems illogical in the face of global statistics and our own experience of the success of the gun amnesty.

    [T]he bigger task for America is to become a gentler, more trusting society, so that school children do not have to be drilled in cowering in store rooms.

    Sydney Morning Herald: Australia

  118. "In America, God has no favorites: He allows even tiny angels to be massacred in a crazed and senselessly obsessed outburst of a lone gunman, armed to the teeth.
    Perhaps, when President Barack Obama was shedding a tear, he grieved not only as a parent who thinks of his own children but also as a president who cries for his beloved country.

    These unthinkable but nonetheless recurring bloodbaths by shooting are peculiarly, if not exclusively, American, a stain on its image that gets brutally bigger as time goes by.

    The Haaretz: Israel

  119. "America is not ready to talk about how it is easier to get a handgun than it is to see a doctor, not ready to speak about the video games that have extreme violence.

    It is just willing to sweep up everything under the carpet of tears."

    The Yedioth Ahronoth: Israel

  120. How fortunate we are that in the United Arab Emirates such an event would appear to be almost inconceivable. Long may that remain so…
    In the U.A.E., with about 8 million people, an equivalent rate would be 222 gun-related deaths annually.

    Yet so far this year, as far as I can see, there's been ONE — and that was either a suicide or an accident.

    The National: United Arab Emirates

  121. "For those griping about the American right to bear arms, wake up. This is the 21st century and America's a settled state, not the rough-edged, wide open spaces of the 1780s when the Constitution was framed and everything, from land to liberty, was based on violent contests.

    Bearing arms then might have made sense — doing so today is swallowing the nonsense posed as liberty by commercial lobbies."

    The India Times: India

  122. The America has one great terrorist organization that has never been confronted or addressed.

    The Republican Party.

    To the rest of the world thanks to our republican party, we look like a bunch of ignorant, cave dwelling troglodytes.

    As Lydia said in this well stated article, the time to tell the NRA to FUCK OFF, is now.

    FUCK the NRA. Fuck the GOP. Fuck anyone, who wants this country to remain a war zone and a shooting gallery. Fuck em all.

    Time to push them out of the way before any more of our 6 year olds are lined up and executed by some nut with a legally purchased assault rifle.

  123. Gun sales spike: Virginia, Colorado record highest background check volume in years

    The talk of new gun control measures that has followed Friday's mass shooting in a Newtown, Conn., elementary school has gun owners rushing to the nearest store and picking up new weapons, according to gun store owners and state police background check information.

    On Saturday, Virginia state police fielded 4,166 requests for background checks, a 42 percent increase from the same Saturday last year and the highest number of transactions received in a single day since the program was implemented in 1989. Sunday's 1,828 background checks in Virginia represented a 43 percent increase from a year ago.

    Colorado also set a one-day record for background checks on Saturday with 4,200, the highest number since the program began in 1999.

    Paul Decker, the owner of Hunters' Heaven in Hayes, Va., said he saw a big spike in sales over the weekend, with many customers buying the AR type of rifle allegedly used in the Newtown shooting.

    Stories like this make me ashamed to be called an American.

    Every one of these people running out to buy Assault Rifles are cowards.


    And accomplices to the murder of innocents.

    Their cowardice, is why 20 children died Friday. If they were simply brave enough to live without their precious assault rifles, this would not have happened.

    Accomplices to murder. Every last one of them.

  124. Imagine the person, upon who hearing 20 6 year old kids were shot in the face with an AR15, ...that runs out to buy one.

    What sort of low life, does that?

    Why would you hear that 20 kids were shot with a particular gun, then run out and buy one that weekend?

  125. I guess the question comes down to "are Americans finally brave enough to go through life without clutching an assault rifle or a glock for comfort?"

    If we can all be brave enough to live without them, then we'll join the rest of the world, to which we currently lag way behind.

  126. What sort of gun do you own Johnny?

    Can you answer that?

    Or are you still smartin from that can of whoopass I opened on you the other night?


    The videogame industry is another that could be affected following the Sandy Hook tragedy, as fingers point toward the often violent games' effect on the psyche of American youth (Lanza was apparently a fan of the wildly popular, military-themed "Call of Duty").

    Told ya so.

  128. The US Military uses video games to prepare and train soldiers to do everything from shoot to fly.

    Yet geniuses like Johnny can't connect the dots that they might also influence and impact people who play them, particularly younger more pliable minds.

    Every medical body we have has confirmed their relationship, but people like Johnny don't "want" to "believe it".

    Because he's addicted to them too.

  129. At Least 4 Dead In Apparent Longmont Murder-Suicide

    By DAN ELLIOTT and STEVEN K. PAULSON 12/18/12 03:55 PM ET EST

    LONGMONT, Colo. — Dispatchers listened as a Colorado woman who called 911 to report a shooting was apparently killed as she begged for her life in the pre-dawn hours Tuesday.

    She was among four people found dead at a home near Longmont, about 35 miles north of Denver, in what police are characterizing as a murder-suicide.

    Emergency phone line operators heard the woman scream "no, no, no," cries that were followed by what sounded like a gunshot, Weld County sheriff's spokesman Tim Schwartz said. A man then picked up the phone and said he was going to kill himself before dispatchers heard what they believe was another shot fired, Schwartz said.

    Authorities have not identified the victims or the man they suspect as the shooter. The dead included two men and two women.


  130. The gun nuts say guns aren't a problem in the hands of "law abiding citizens".

    Problem is, EVERYONES a law abiding citizen, ....till they're not.

    The gun nuts say its just the mentally ill who are the problem, and "normal people" aren't the problem.

    Problem is, EVERYONE'S a normal person, until they snap.

    The guns DO kill people. Because when some "law abiding" "normal citizen" suddenly snaps, if there's a gun handy then its just too easy to ratchet up the body count.

    A gun makes it possible.

  131. The shooters mother was a "law abiding" gun owner.

    And it was HER LEGAL GUNS, that killed everyone.

    Herself included.

    So don't give us that tired "if only we had more guns" bullshit.

    She had 3 of them, and all they did was kill innocent kids.

  132. Anonymous4:16 PM

    Student Brings Gun To School In Utah For 'Protection' After Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting

    An 11-year-old student may face charges after he said his parents encouraged him to bring a gun to school for protection.

    Fox Salt Lake City reports that the boy said his parents' suggestion came after the devastating Sandy Hook Elementary shooting on Friday.

    The student allegedly pulled the .22-caliber pistol out of his backpack during recess Monday morning and pointed it at one of his classmates.

    "He pulled out a gun and he put it to my head — me and my friend — (and) said he was going to kill us," Isabelle Rios told KSL. "I told him I was going to tell, but he said, ‘If you tell, I'm going to kill you.'"

  133. Well at least part of Hollywood is starting to wake up;

    Discovery series American guns cancelled and they say they will NOT put the series into re-runs ...

    Oh yea and they also gave the draft dodging pedophile Ted Nugent the boot also.

  134. Seems the people who are willing to make money off almost anything, don't want the blood money from the guns makers any more.

    The times they are a-changin'

  135. I sure hope so. Because we can't let lunatics direct policy anymore.

    There is nothing natural about the gun fetish. Back in the 60s and 70s we knew what it was, but only the SOF freaks were into it. But now everyone's dressing up like Rambo and stocking enough firepower to outfit a small army. Its not natural. MOST people focus on their jobs, lives, family, even politics. But guns, those who fixate over them, there's something wrong with them.

    Its a pathology.

  136. Oh yea and they also gave the draft dodging pedophile Ted Nugent the boot also.

    Ted Nugent. Hero of the right wing. Speaks at their rallies, fund raisers, etc.

    A man who crapped his pants at the induction center to weasel out of the draft and escape service in Viet Nam.

  137. He's their spokesman on talking tough.

    : |

    How's that happen?

  138. Like everything else in the right wing, self promotion based on their beliefs their lies about themselves are what is true,

    It's how the cult of Reagan infected the GOpers feeble little minds, after his Alzheimer's disease removed him from the public spotlight, which has very little to do with the reality of Reagan's life or administration.

  139. I know. I remember his administration.

    Everyone was laughing at him and mocking him because he came out on television one night and talked to us (the country) like we were all 1st graders, trying to explain the economy to us with "Jelly Beans".

    I saw that "Jelly Bean" speech, and no one thought much of him after that.

    Until that is like you said the "cult" mentality formed, ...I think somewhere around a decade or so later.

  140. Johnny likes to frame the idea of addressing violence in video games and movies as my opinion, not something that others are seriously thinking about.

    He laughed and scoffed at the idea. So did voltron (under his anonymouse handle).

    But ever since Friday's shooting we've heard everyone from Congressmen to psychologists to the movie industry itself that that is something needing to be addressed.

    White House pushes gun policy effort after Newtown shootings

    By Mark Felsenthal | Reuters – 35 mins ago

    Many on both sides of the issue have also pointed to the need to address mental-health issues, violence in the entertainment industry, and school safety.

    Separately on Wednesday, Senator John Rockefeller called for a national study of the impact of violent video games on children, as well as for a review of the ratings system for such games.

  141. Gee...if its just "my idea" ...guess I must have a lot more influence in the halls of power than I thought, huh?

  142. Actually the cult started after the right wing turned on Bush Sr. It was originally pushed by Grover Norquist, Karl Rove, Frank Luntz, and some of the neo-cons from the Reagan Bush Sr admins.

    After Fox News was created by one of Nixon's henchmen and two foreigners (Murdoch and Al Waleed Bin Talal), it got pushed as one of their main memes.


  143. Gun Deaths Will Exceed Traffic Fatalities By 2015

    Gun Deaths Will Exceed Traffic Fatalities By 2015, Study Says
    It would mark 1st time in modern U.S. history that firearm deaths overtake auto-related ones

    Yet the gun nuts keep telling us ""oh its not the guns...."

    Idiots. Every one of them.

  144. "Surette's study of juvenile offenders in Florida, published in Crime & Delinquency in 2002, found that about a third of young prisoners had considered committing a crime that they had seen in the media—defined as TV, movies, news and music—and that a quarter of them had actually attempted to commit such a crime."

  145. The Nine Best-Run Countries in the World, What They Have in Common, and What They Have to Teach the U.S.

    Check out the differences on prison population and murder rate per population, it is all l9inked to how special we claim to be compared to how much better others actually do, for all their citizenry.

  146. PS: mook mook might enjoy knowing Canada is on the list of the nine.

  147. Part of the problem we have is the intransigence of the same people who protect and defend the gun fetishists politically, push other ideological agendas, that celebrate policies just as bad, in other areas, like medical care, homelessness, poverty, and mental health.

    We as a country because of the extreme ideology which controlled the political agenda since 1980, have slowly slipping down the list till in many areas we are no longer even in the top 10.

    But on gun violence, sadly we still are #1, but in a very bad way.

  148. BTW Ronald Reagan supported the assault weapons Ban in 1994 even lobbying sitting congress critters to vote for passage.

    Congressman Scott Klug, a Republican from Wisconsin was an opponent of the assault weapon ban and the day before the vote stated his opposition to the ban. Klug only changed his voted after “a last minute plea from President Reagan” in the form of a handwritten note.

    ”Dear Scott: As a longtime gun owner and supporter of the right to bear arms, I, too, have carefully thought about this issue. I am convinced that the limitations imposed in this bill are absolutely necessary,” Reagan wrote Klug. “I know there is heavy pressure on you to go the other way, but I strongly urge you to join me in supporting this bill. It must be passed. Sincerely, Ronald Reagan.”

    ”I can think of no one who has been a stronger supporter of law and order and a stronger supporter of the Second Amendment,” Klug said in a statement regarding Reagan’s note announcing his support for the ban.

    Another former Congressman, New Hampshire Democrat Dick Swett, also credited the former President with influencing his voting. Swett was unsure of how to vote on the ban, but made up his made after direct lobbying from Reagan.

    The bill ended up passing the House by two votes, 216-214.

    The two votes that allowed the bill to pass, were gotten thanks to Ronald Reagan.

    Reagan also supported the Brady Bill.

    The real Reagan couldn’t/wouldn’t be nominated in today’s GOP.

    1. He signed an Amenesty Law.

    2. He raised taxes… MULTIPLE times.

    3. He favored gun control.

    4. He was from Hollywood.

    5. He had gay friends and co-workers.

    6. He was divorced.

    7. After the Marine Barracks attack, he had the military flee, rather than fight.

    The Ronald Reagan of myth doesn’t quite match up the Ronald Reagan of reality.

  149. The idiots want to put guns in the hands of school teachers and have everyone from teachers to janitors packing.

    Great idea.

    I mean, like none of the kids would ever get their hands on them I'm sure.....

  150. ...I mean, never would dream of messing with stuff that they're not supposed to touch.

    And teachers and janitors, ..oh well they're perfect human beings and not subject to basic human error.

    Yea....that'd be safe. Just arm em all...genius.

  151. ...and I'm sure no kids would be hit in the massive hail of bullets when everyone starts opening up, particularly elementary school teachers.

    And I'm sure they'd never accidentally discharge them. That'd never happen, right?

    I'm also sure no teachers would ever end up using one on an unruly or threatening kid, or even herself.

    No, lets just fill great buildings with thousands of guns and ammunition, ...

    : |

    ...then send our kids in.

  152. Great idea.

  153. SD teen dies in shooting after paintball argument

    By By DIRK LAMMERS | Associated Press – 13 hrs ago

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. (AP) — A 16-year-old boy fatally shot his friend with a shotgun after the pair argued over a paintball game and playfully wrestled at the boy's home in South Dakota, according to an arrest affidavit released Wednesday.
    The victim, Dalton Williams of Pierre, was found lying in the entryway of the accused shooter's house around 5:30 p.m. Tuesday with a gunshot wound to the chest. Paramedics rushed the high school sophomore to a nearby hospital, but he later died.

  154. A 16-year-old witness who was hanging out with the boys told detectives that Williams and the other boy began to wrestle around jokingly after arguing about a paintball game.

    The accused shooter then retrieved a semi-automatic shotgun, walked into the kitchen area and pointed it at the witness, according to the arrest affidavit.

    The witness said he heard the gun click, then saw the accused shooter take a shotgun shell from a drawer, load the gun and point it at him again. The witness said he then heard another click, according to the affidavit.

    The witness told police he was trying to leave the house through a sliding glass door when Williams stepped in between him and the accused shooter.

    The witness told detectives that the gun fired and he observed a splatter, according to the affidavit.

  155. Our movies, TV shows and video games teach our kids to settle their differences with violence and guns.

    If this is the best we can teach our youth, then there is no hope for the future.

    Because they are the future.


  157. Heeeeeeeeeeelllllllpppp!!!

    I just played "Resident Evil" and I no longer have any concept of the difference between RIGHT & WRONG!!!

    Many things influence us Einsteins,but we still know the difference between right and wrong.....period!

  158. I HATE when crunchies get stuck under my keys on my keyboard.


  159. Because of stupid ignorant fuckers like Johnny, change doesn't come.

    And because change doesn't come, our kids pay the price.

    With their lives.

  160. He thinks its funny.

    To the mind of this simplistic, half baked dirtbag, 20 6 year old kids being executed, something to giggle about.

    And that's why hope is fleeting.

    Because even with some adults stepping up, MOST of what we hear are from ignorant, spoiled rotten self centered drunken trash, like this stooge.


    Total logical fallacy, cause if you commit murder, you ain't a perfect Christian.

    But a clueless water carrier for the right wing, couldn't understand that, just push the ideological agenda with his talking points.

  162. Its not a laughing matter Johnny, and its not something to make light of in any way.

    Over the coming weeks you will be reading about how this NUT, was addicted to violent shooter games, particularly the wildly popular "CALL OF DUTY".

    Psychologists are already connecting the dots but information is slow this time in coming out because they want to get it right, but law enforcement already knows the guy was a video game junkie.

    Your stupid mockery of a serious problem is part of the problem.

    Idiots like you who can't see two paces down the road, ...who can't think two moves ahead....can't connect the dots.

    Like I said before, you're just too stupid, and too apathetic to see the very real connection to violence in movies and games and mental health issues.

    In fact, based on your comments here chances are you suffer from mental health issues and don't even know.

    But the fact is and its been confirmed for decades now, that violence in movies and now in our video games can lead an already unbalanced individual to "ACT OUT" what he sees on his video screen.

    It happens. The Movie Theater shooter "ACTED OUT" the part of the Joker. He even wore the makeup.

    But idiots like you, stupid babbling drunken self centered "Me generation" rubes, are just too stupid to get it, so you stand in the way of real change.

    Until we address this issue, things like this will keep happening and in greater frequency and severity.

    Just as we've seen over the last 6 years that I've been in here warning about it.

    So giggle away dirtbag. If 20 kids being executed by an assault rifle is something to laugh about, then maybe you should consider getting your own head examined.

  163. Apathy is the precursor to all acts of evil.


  164. ...and the facilitator thereof.


    Mosque arsonist tells court: ‘I only know what I hear on Fox News’

    An Indiana man convicted of setting fire to a mosque in Ohio told a judge on Wednesday that he committed the crimes because Fox News and conservative talk radio had convinced him that “most Muslims are terrorists.

    Randolph Linn, 52, accepted a plea deal in which he pled guilty to all charges in connection to setting a fire in the prayer room at the Islamic Center of Greater Toledo on Sept. 30. Under the deal, Linn is expected to serve 20 years in prison instead of 40.

    Linn explained to the court that he had gotten “riled up” after watching Fox News.

    “And I was more sad when Judge [Jack] Zouhary asked him that, ‘Do you know any Muslims or do you know what Islam is?’” one mosque member who attended the hearing recalled to WNWO. “And he said, ‘No, I only know what I hear on Fox News and what I hear on radio.’”

    “Muslims are killing Americans and trying to blow stuff up,” Linn also reportedly told the judge. “Most Muslims are terrorists and don’t believe in Jesus Christ.”

    Linn claimed that he had consumed 45 beers in the 6 hours before leaving his Indiana home to set fire to the mosque, which he had discovered while working as a truck driver.

    After his arrest on Oct. 2, Assistant U.S. Attorney Ava Dusten said that Linn had told officers, “Fuck those Muslims… They would kill us if they got the chance.”

    Doesn't know anything except for what fox tells him, so he gets drunk and burns down a mosque.

    Beer and Fox News, not a good combination it seems.

  166. Wow, a guy who drinks 45 beers in 6 hours and hates Muslims because he listens to Fox news which spreads hate of Muslims.

    We got a couple like that in here.

  167. Well Clif, the survivalists say the world ends in a few hours, so... been nice knowin ya.

  168. The world cannot end on Friday,

    I have made plans for Saturday.

    Tell the Mayans to reschedule.

  169. I know...I was going to clean out the garage Saturday.

    : |

    We're gonna have to get back to them on this end of the world thingy.

  170. I like what NASA said about it.

    Even if you did believe against all the archaeologists, etc that the Mayan calendar predicts the world ends on Dec 21,2012, which it clearly does not according to the experts, ....but even if you did disbelieve the experts and for whatever reason believe the calendar says that the world ends on the 21st.... you'd STILL have to ALSO believe that the Mayans had some magic power to see the future.

  171. In other words you'd have to be a nut.

  172. Looks like Boehner man couldn't get his own bill passed by the reptilian right wingers in his own caucus.

    He pulled his own bill;

    Plan B

    Almost as pathetic as the dumb f*cvk senator from KY filibustering his own bill.

    Damn are the right wingers becoming pathetic.

  173. BTW when ever somebody brought up the stupid Mayan thingy,

    I just told them the Mayans usually did

    The same thing we did when oner of our calendars ends,

    They hang up the new one ...... LOL

    The dumb looks I got were priceless.

  174. Heck one foole even said;

    If Mayans could predict the future there would still be Mayans.

    I kindly informed him;

    There are an estimated 7 million Maya living at the start of the 21st century.

    Most all of them live in southern Mexico, so the id-jets thunk they are Mexican, but they don't.

    PS: the Mayas think we are nuts even for listening to the fooles who brought up the tin foil end of the planet idea in the first place.

  175. Well the wing-nut congress critters didn't get THEIR way, so they just quit, and are going home instead of trying to solve a problem they created in the first place.

    Still a bunch of my way or the highway, the country be damned fooles, eh?

  176. I just want to cry some times.

    If our credit rating is downgraded again, its going to cost BILLIONS in INTEREST!

    Why don't these deadbeats realize that our interest rates like any credit is based on our credit rating, a lower credit rating means HIGHER INTEREST.

    This will cost us BILLIONS if they lower our credit rating again, not to mention kill the markets and industry.

  177. They have spent the last 4 years trying to do exactly that, and the teatards won't allow them to change course now, because President Obama might get some credit for doing something good.

    It seems they would prefer to destroy the country, rather then allow a black democrat to succeed.

  178. I know, we lost our credit rating last time Boner pulled this crap, and it cost us I think probably trillions when you factor in the losses in the markets and in industry and labor.

    They're trying to do the same thing to the country that Hitler did to Germany when he knew he lost the war.

    Burning it down. If he can't have it, no one will. And that's how the republicans are acting. If they can't be in charge then they'll ruin it all, and make the people pay for voting for Obama.

    Its treason.

  179. They're sabotaging their own country.

    Which I believe constitutes treason.

  180. Anonymous6:17 PM

    Boners a dick.

  181. Yea that fits what the gun nuts are starting to say if congress approves any gin control measures ...

    The is exactly what one of the gun fetishists wrote;

    You see, if by some insane chance Fienstein's bill were to make it through as is to Obama's desk and the SCOTUS didn't bail us out, I'd have to give my life. And if it comes to that, I would. The Fienstien bill has provisions against sale, transfer and grandfathering, and I will never turn in even one of my guns. NEVER. I will never melt down or turn in any of its parts, to include its magazines. The day they pass that law is the day I become a revolutionary. And I don't think we'd win. But I do think we'd fight anyway. Thousands of us would. And thousands of us would die, or be tried and convicted which makes dying seem a bit more of an option.

    They want a civil war over gun control, and these are the same people who populate the teatard groups, pushing their congress critters to refuse to compromise at all .....

  182. The same guys telling us all what big responsible gun owners they all are, ....are also the same nuts telling us they'll shoot our leaders with them if they don't like the direction the govt's going.

    : |

    Go figger..

  183. Heck Sharon Angle said the same thing in 2010, she just tried to code it with 2nd amendment remedies.

    This mook blatantly lays it all out.

  184. You know the guy who is replacing Jim Demint in the senate, a certain individual named Tim Scott.

    Well, at the present time, he is one of the right wing congress critters Boehner-man cannot control.

    His seat is vacant due to his promotion by Gov Haley.

    Guess who is sayin' he is running for that seat.

    Yup, you guessed it,

    Former Gov Hikin' the Appalachian trail. To be fair he did represent the same district back when the right wingers tried to impeach the Clenis for his indiscretions ... and the district is about as far from the Appalachian Trail as you can get in South Carolina.

    Can't make this wing-nut insanity up,

    They are far crazier then we can fit our heads around, most of the time (rumors have it) they do sleep.

  185. Fla. teen arrested for threat to 'shoot everyone'

    Associated Press – 2 hrs 21 mins ago

    FORT PIERCE, Fla. (AP) — Police have arrested a Florida teen who they say posted a Facebook message threatening to "bring a gun to school tomorrow and shoot everyone."
    The St. Lucie County Sheriff's office said Thursday night that they received a tip from a parent who saw the threat from the 13-year-old student.

  186. Texas lawmaker: ‘Ping-pongs’ deadlier than guns

    By Olivier Knox, Yahoo! News | The Ticket – 7 hrs ago

    Incoming Texas State Rep. Kyle Kacal says guns don’t kill people—ping-pong kills people.

    "I've heard of people being killed playing ping-pong—ping-pongs are more dangerous than guns," he says. "Flat-screen TVs are injuring more kids today than anything."

    The Consumer Product Safety Commission does warn that some sports equipment may have unexpected hazards—for instance, brands of tennis rackets have been recalled because of possible exposure to lead.

    Also in the category of Things That Are Dangerous But Are Not Ping-pong: One model helicopter had to come off the shelves because of—yikes—“laceration hazards.”
    But neither table tennis racquets nor table tennis itself appears to have hurt any children. For instance, it's nowhere to be found in a commission analysis noting the 13 toy-related deaths and 262,300 toy-related injuries to children under 15 in 2011. (If you have time to waste, the commission's lists of recalled sports equipment and toys make for engrossing—and sometimes distressing—reading.)

    The lifetime rancher, who will take his seat in 2013 as a freshman, says that new gun restrictions are unnecessary. Kacal, who reportedly operates a hunting business, notably came out against a bill instructing Texans how to secure their assault weapons.

    "People know what they need to do to be safe. We don't need to legislate that—it's common sense," he said. "Once everyone's gun is locked up, then the bad guys know everyone's gun is locked up.

  187. So the statistics show that his statement is complete hogwash that he just made up, and no yet he says something like that, in the wake of this tragedy.

    This is what the republicans are putting in charge of us.

    Fortunately its just Texas so, ..who cares.

    But just think. They have people like that in real states too.

  188. Well we is all still here,

    so I guess the Mayas hit the reset button.

    Er something like that.


    ...testing 1, 2...3....tap tap....this thing on?

    ..anyone still out there?...are we still here? I dead now?

  190. APOCALYPTO WORFO10:40 AM that you Clif, or your ghost talking?

    This end of the world thingy didn't seem to work.

    Everything looks pretty much like it did yesterday.


    Dear Santa,

    For Christmas this year I'd like a T-Shirt that reads "I survived the apocalypse and all I got was this lousy T-shirt".

    : )

  192. Meanwhile, something like that, ....goes on.

    Four dead, three police wounded in Pennsylvania shooting:

    Reuters – 31 mins ago

    (Reuters) - Four people including the shooter were killed and three Pennsylvania state troopers were wounded on Friday during a shooting in Frankstown Township, Pennsylvania, the Altoona Mirror reported, citing the county prosecutor.

    The gunman, two other men and a woman were killed, the newspaper said, citing Blair County District Attorney Richard Consiglio. The troopers were wounded in a shootout with the suspect, the newspaper said.

  193. Well Wayne LaPierre (a "real" American) says the NRA wants to put cops in every school.

    That's their "big answer" to the shooting.

    He claims putting cops in schools will solve the problem...because we all know cops never get shot, right?

  194. Hell why stop there?

    Why not put machine gun turrets on the tops of the buildings?

    We can have Apache attack copters with vulcan guns circle the schools all day.

    Maybe park an M1 Abrams out front, and put some Patriot missiles on the roofs like they do at the White House.

    : |

    Lets just turn American into the most chokingly nightmarish military police state, that we can think of.

    Because that makes more sense than simply taking the assault rifles.

  195. ...or we could just tell the NRA and their measly 4 million membership to go fuck themselves.

    That could work.

  196. Looks like Wayne just wants more guns in more places so more people can get killed.

    Why does he want more death?

    Oh right more death means more guns get sold, and those who actually fund him make more money.

  197. BTW worf,

    Happy New B'ak'tun

    on this sunny 12/21/2012

    a.k.a. (Mayan calendar date)

    to everyone.