Monday, November 05, 2012


WOMEN must come out and vote tomorrow. 

Mitt Romney has promised to:

Puts bosses in charge of whether women can get birth control included in their medical insurance
Overturn the right to have an abortion in first 8 weeks: Roe v. Wade
Overturn Affordable Health Care
Overturn PBS
Overturn Women's Health Care
Let Banks take over home foreclosures so homeowners can "rent" their homes back from the banks. 

Firefighters and Red Cross * Solvang Lenny Marshman's Firefighters Fund
Millena Gay, Lydia Cornell, Ivana Franks, Robert Hays, Patrika D'Arbo
PROJECT USA "Jeff Franklin's Mermaid Party" 2011
Lydia Cornell and Amanda Rhigetti at Cats Dancing on Jupiter Premiere 

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Lydia Cornell, Robert Hays for Firefighters Fund at Solvang
The Venetian 

The Gang at Lucky Strike Lanes for L.A. Team Mentoring

Cats Dancing on Jupiter premiere at Arclight
Brenda Epperson, Melissa Biggs, Lydia Cornell * Community Coaching Center for Autism 

Lydia Cornell, 2012, Griffith Park Planetarium

My new wax boyfriend * Celebrity Waiters Luncheon for Muscular Dystrophy * Coronado Island
Carmel Vagabond Inn * The Divorce trip 

PBS Think Tank for Di Palma Forum 

Lydia Cornell, Greg Louganis Chartiy event 2011

Variety Power of Comedy for Noreen Fraser Foundation

Lydia Cornell, Garry Marshall at Project USA

Oscars Kodak Theater for LA Team Mentoring


Suzan Hughes, Lydia Cornell on the KISS TOUR

Linday, Steve Kaufman, Lydia Cornell Mrs. USA

Lydia Cornell, Michael Levy

Lydia Cornell, Jim Bullock at the Hollywood Film Festival

Lydia Cornell, Stacy Di Saia, Pageant of the Masters, Laguna Niguel

Lydia Cornell, Tina Ketchie, creator of the healthy "Go-Free Pants"

Greg Proops, Michael Imperioli, Richard Belzer, Martha and the Vandellas, Lydia Cornell, Cheryl Hines, Sharon Case, Davy Jones at the World Travel Awards Barbados

Too Close for Comfort Cast 2011

Lydia Cornell, Christopher Cerf of PBS Peabody Award-winning "Between the Lions" and Harvard Lampoon

Lydia Cornell, comedienne Nancy Jo Perdue


  1. Who is that blond in the first picture at the top with you? She looks familiar but I can't place it. I'm thinking Marta Kirsten but she's older than that.I can't quite place the face.

  2. The one right below the picture of you and Greg Louganis and right above the picture of you with Russell Brand. The wall behind you two says "Acme Comedy" 20 Funny Years".

  3. Ahh, the lady from the Soap Operas.

    Her father was in "Big Jake" with John Wayne (one of my favorite old time Westerns).

  4. Anonymous5:34 PM

    Good evening. Johnny Moo Moo won't be joining us this evening due to a brief "episode" he experienced last night from which he'll need sufficient time to recover.

    While his absence will be deeply felt by all and we wish him a speedy recovery rest assured others will no doubt pop in to fill the gap left by this secondary albeit important member of the right wing troll team.

    Please stand by.

  5. Anonymous11:05 PM

    Johnny Who Moo?

  6. You know what I find interesting?

    Johnny has an "episode" in which he clearly blows a head gasket and leaves, ...but the other trolls are suddenly noticeably absent as well.

    Gee...wonder why that is?

  7. I'm still here.

    You just haven't said anything arguably stupid in this thread yet.

  8. I'm also not here 24/7 like you, so my replies may not be as immediate as you'd like.

  9. Anonymous5:29 PM

    tee hee

  10. I'm not "here" 24x7 either, but I suppose saying stupid things like that helps you feel some sense of superiority so have at it.

    The facts never got in your way before so why start now?

  11. Sad day today. Neil Armstrong, one of the few men I called a "hero" in this world died today at 82.

    He will be missed.

  12. Ah, something we can agree on.

  13. In memory of him I'm watching the videos of the Lunar Landing, and the post return interviews with him, Collins and Aldrin.

    I can't believe he's gone. It feels like the end of an era. It hurt more than I thought it would. He was probably one of the most important public figures in my life. Such a giant, yet such a quiet, humble man. Not like the chest beaters of today.

    Fortunately though we still have Buzz Aldrin (who has a great right hook) and Micheal Collins (funny guy).

  14. Only 24 men throughout all creation, have seen the full circle of the earth from space. Yet we all got to see it through photographs thanks to their efforts.

    I'll never forget Christmas Eve 1968. I was sitting on the floor of the living room, my Mom was in the kitchen making candies and Christmas cookies and my Dad was on the couch reading the funnies. We were watching "How the Grinch Stole Christmas", the cartoon version and suddenly they Jules Bergman broke in with the news and started showing live footage of Apollo 8.

    Frank Boorman came on and was talking, and for the first time in human history man was watching the earth rise from lunar orbit. We couldn't see it because of the position of the camera they were beaming footage back from, but we could see the moon out of the corner of the command module window. It was very fuzzy, but we could see craters.

    Anyway then someone said we have a message for the people back on earth, and my Mom had now walked into the living room and my siblings, me my Dad and Mom were all watching and he started to read from Genesis.

    He said;

    In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

    And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

    And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

    Then Jim Lovell (Apollo 13 commander) read:

    And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

    And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

    And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

    And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

    Finally Frank Borman came back on the mic and read;

    "And God said, Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
    And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called He Seas: and God saw that it was good.

    And from the crew of Apollo 8, we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas – and God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth."

    My Mom started to cry a little bit, not loudly, just got misty on the eyes. I remember I had a really really warm feeling, I can't describe it but it just felt like all was right in the world (I was only 8 and oblivious to the war in Viet Nam). It was Christmas eve, I had opened a present already (we always got to open ONE present Christmas eve) and was playing with it (it was a "Major Matt Mason, "Mattels Man in Space") , we had cookies, candies, the tree was all lit up, and the astronauts were looking at us on earth from the orbit of the moon. It was the best Christmas ever.I'll never forget how moved my Mom was, or how good I felt at that moment.

  15. I'll also never forget sitting on the floor of the living room watching Apollo 11. We were out of school for summer vacation and I had been watching it all day long on TV. It was the only thing on anyway, other than LOTS Of commercials (Kellogs Corn Flakes, TANG, BIC Ball Point Pens). CBS, "MAN ON THE MOON" coverage. They had their own logo.

    They landed around 4:00 PM EST. I was on the floor (as always) playing with my "Revell" Model I had built of the Apollo 11 Saturn V rocket. It was huge, several feet high, painted black and white. I also had a model of the LEM.

    When they landed, I was bringing the LEM down to the little piece of plastic moon that came with it.

    Anyway then they sat their all day, and we kept wanting to see them walk on the moon but NASA said they were going to walk at 2:00AM and my Mom said "NO WAY". (Our bed time was 10:00 in the summer, 9:00 during school days). I was so upset that they wouldn't just come out of the LEM but they sat their doing stuff and talking back and forth all day long. All those "Quindar tones" were driving my Mom crazy, lol. Then they said they were going to walk early, 9:00 PM so we though oh boy! But 9:00 PM came and went and they didn't come out. When 10:00 PM came and they still didn't come out my Mom made us get ready for bed and put our pajamas on. I was really worried at that point. She let us stay up till 10:30, but when they still hadn't come out she sent us to bed. Then about 20 minutes later or so (she knew we weren't sleeping, we could hear the TV from the bedroom she said called us and said to come out. We came out in our pajamas, and there it was. Neil Armstrong, coming down the ladder. It was incredible. Unbelievable. I'd never seen anything like it. It was a clear night and we could see the moon. I remember looking out the living room window up at the moon and thinking wow, if I just had a telescope I could see him!

    After he took the first step he said his famous "One small step" line and I remember I didn't understand what he said and I had to ask my dad "what did he say, what did he say" and my Mom repeated it back to me.

    We stayed up for about half an hour then got sent to bed at 11:30 and had to watch the rest on reruns the next day, which they kept mixing in while the LEM was getting ready to leave.

    It was magic. Almost sacred. I can't explain it, but its the best thing we've ever done I think. Its all we talked about, for the next year in school. Its all we heard about. Everything was MOON. Moon boots. Moon dances (Micheal Jacksons moonwalk). They even made a moon "hula hoop". Mcdonalds had moon glasses. My Mom had this Pimento spread that was in a "Moon Jar" (little drawing on the side of Armstrong on the moon). There was Moon stuff on the cereal boxes. Moon clothing stuff. Bic made a moon pen. And we had it all. GI Joe had a space capsule which I got. Maxwell Smart and 99 walked on the moon to meet the chief one time. Everything was MOON. It was AWESOME. Best time in history to be a kid.

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  17. "I am deeply saddened by the passing of my good friend, and space exploration companion, Neil Armstrong today.

    As Neil, Mike Collins and I trained together for our historic Apollo 11 Mission, we understood the many technical challenges we faced, as well as the importance and profound implications of this historic journey. We will now always be connected as the crew of the Apollo 11 mission to the moon, yet for the many millions who witnessed that remarkable achievement for humankind, we were not alone.

    Whenever I look at the moon I am reminded of that precious moment, over four decades ago, when Neil and I stood on the desolate, barren, yet beautiful, Sea of Tranquility, looking back at our brilliant blue planet Earth suspended in the darkness of space, I realized that even though we were farther away from earth than two humans had ever been, we were not alone. Virtually the entire world took that memorable journey with us.

    I know I am joined by many millions of others from around the world in mourning the passing of a true American hero and the best pilot I ever knew. My friend Neil took the small step but giant leap that changed the world and will forever be remembered as a historic moment in human history.

    I had truly hoped that on July 20th, 2019, Neil, Mike and I would be standing together to commemorate the 50th Anniversary of our moon landing, as we also anticipated the continued expansion of humanity into space, that our small mission helped make possible. Regrettably, this is not to be. Neil will most certainly be there with us in spirit.

    On behalf of the Aldrin family, we extend our deepest condolences to Carol and the entire Armstrong family. I will miss my friend Neil as I know our fellow citizens and people around world will miss this foremost aviation and space pioneer.

    May he Rest in Peace, and may his vision for our human destiny in space be his legacy."

    Buzz Aldrin
    August 25, 2012

  18. I'd like to see Lydia do a tribute post on Neil Armstrong. After all he epitomizes our era, and where we came from. We're literally the last generation alive that saw those days and the moonwalk.

    When we're gone, there won't be anyone left who saw it.

    Sort of weird thought actually, but I just realized that when we're gone, there won't be any humans left who saw the moonwalk. We're the last of an era.

    Anyway a nice tribute to Neil Armstrong would be good I think.

  19. Farewell eagle, ...and we thank you.

  20. Just think, he couldn't read from the bible today.

    Separation of church and state...

  21. Neil Armstrong didn't read from the Bible. Frank Borman, Bill Anders and Jim Lovell did.

    Buzz Aldrin gave himself communion on the moon, but kept it between him and NASA.

    And I never had a problem with it, nor did NASA. They were sued by an atheist for the Genesis reading, but the suit was dismissed.

    But that doesn't change the fact that separation of church and state is still a valid American principle that dates back to Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

    There's always those on both sides who carry a principle too far. The atheist who sued was a prime example, as is the Tea Party candidates who try to instill THEIR version of Christianity, into OUR government.

  22. Rule changes forced through by Romney campaign at RNC provoke grassroots backlash

    Rule changes pushed through by the Romney campaign that appear designed to prevent an insurgent candidacy like that of Ron Paul from mounting any meaningful challenge to the party establishment in the future are provoking a strong grassroots reaction.

    One blogger at the website of the pro-Tea Party organization FreedomWorks complained on Sunday, “As you may know the Romney camp is pushing new rules that would strip grassroots activists of any meaningful ability to participate in presidential politics. The process has always been bottom-up, but Romney officials have rewritten the rules so that the nominee can stifle any dissent on the platform committee and even unseat delegates.”

    As described by Business Insider, the trouble began at a meeting of the Rules Committee on Friday, when leaders of the Romney campaign, led by lawyer Ben Ginsberg, forced through a series of changes designed to make it more difficult for insurgent candidates to win convention delegates..

    “Make no mistake,” the FreedomWorks piece complains, “this will weaken the process by which Republicans chose their candidate for president and push the grassroots out of the party process. … Please locate the phone number of your State Republican Party Headquarters below, call them immediately, and tell them to oppose Romney’s new rules.”

    Wanna bet in two years the right wing know nothings (IE teatards) forget how Ginsberg screwed them over in 2012, like Rove screwed over the insurgent republicans behind McCain, in 2000?

    According to a source who described the meeting to Business Insider, “the saga ended with former New Hampshire Governor John Sununu, the committee chair, hightailing it out of the building before committee members could submit dissenting minority opinions, or ‘minority reports.’”

    Maine state committeewoman Ashley Ryan told Business Insider that committee members had immediately drafted two minority reports objecting to the changes, but that Sununu’s disappearance made it impossible to know whether they had reached him within the one-hour time limit needed for them to be accepted.

    You remember John Sununu, the former member of Bush Sr's administration who had to resign for using hundreds of thousands of dollars of military travel for his personal reasons.

    Ginsberg has had a bad reputation on the left for years, stemming from his role in the 2000 Florida recount, his service as legal counsel to the Swiftboat Veterans in 2004, and similar episodes. Now he may have made himself just as cordially disliked by the right.

    Ginsberg screwing over true American democracy for over a decade. This time the teatards are getting Ginsbergs shaft.

    “He is systematically trying to prevent minorities from having even any remote opportunity of being heard,” longtime GOP operative Morton Blackwell objected.

    Like any right wing suck up to their corporate masters, screw over anybody who stands in the way of the powerful few from getting their way.

    Like the teatards are doing to minorities who just want their right to vote.

  23. .... and he flip flops once again;

    Romney Touts Massachusetts Health Care Overhaul In Appeal To Women Voters

    or is this one of his lauded etch-a-sketch moments??????

  24. The anti-science, anti-government Tea Tards are filling up the Neil Armstrong threads in Yahoo and elsewhere telling everyone how Armstrong did NOT walk on the moon.

    : |

    Oh brother.

  25. I'm not talking one or two either. I'm talking THOUSANDS. Its incredible.

    This is what happens when anti-science looneybins tell their constituents that NASA can't be trusted.

    These same people are also the global warming deniers, and many of them "birthers".

    Fruitcakes. Morons. Idiots.

  26. Of course voltron with his anecdotal nonsense will tell us how NASA "used" to be a fine organization.

    But now since they support science that goes against his political parties "beliefs" they are no longer trustworthy.

    I honestly think Neil Armstrong died of shame.

  27. The anti-science, anti-government Tea Tards are filling up the Neil Armstrong threads in Yahoo and elsewhere telling everyone how Armstrong did NOT walk on the moon.

    The ghost of "pravda" is smiling .....

  28. Indeed.

    You know I used to think that the moonwalk deniers were out at the far end of the fringe Clif.

    From what I saw this weekend it seems its now a prerequisite to attending the GOP convention this year.

  29. Worf remember half of the countries intelligence is below average,

    Then there is the republican base, who make the bottom half look like rocket scientists.

    Exhibit #1 the three trolls who mindlessly regurgitate right wing talking points here.

  30. Did you see this this morning Clif?

    Bill Nye 'The Science Guy' Hits Evolution Deniers

    By Kevin Dolak | ABC News Blogs – 3 hours ago

    In a clip posted to online knowledge forum Big Think via YouTube, former children's show host Bill Nye spoke out against the denial of evolution, saying such views harm young people especially and hamper scientific progress.

    Nye, who hosted the educational show "Bill Nye the Science Guy," which aired on PBS Kids from 1993 through 1998, made the statements in a clip posted online on Thursday, and has since been viewed over one million times

  31. "People still move to the United States. And that's largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science," Nye said in the clip. "When you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

    "Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It's like, it's very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You're just not going to get the right answer.

  32. "Here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they're at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us.

    If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent,"

  33. "And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that's completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine, but don't make your kids do it because we need them.

    We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can - we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems."

  34. All the republican candidates in the debate except for Jon Huntsman as I recall, held their hand up when asked if they didn't believe in evolution and thought the world was 6000 years old.

  35. Question.

    Who could vote for them?

  36. Arctic ice melts to record low: US researchers

    AFP – 2 hrs 39 mins ago

    The sea ice in the Arctic Ocean has melted to its smallest ever level in the latest dramatic sign of the long-term impact of global warming, US researchers said Monday.

    Scientists at the University of Colorado at Boulder said that data recorded Sunday broke the 2007 record for the lowest extent of sea ice and that the melt could become even more significant with several weeks of summer left to go.

    The National Snow and Ice Data Center at the university said in a statement that the decline in summer Arctic sea ice "is considered a strong signal of long-term climate warming."

  37. But hey, its not really happening....cuz...the Tea Party says so.

  38. Here Clif. Here's just one example of thousands of comments from the Tea Partiers in the Armstrong threads.

    This one is from a guy calling himself "Obsama Obambi" and sporting a photoshopped picture of Obama in Muslim garb and beard.

    Houston: The paper mache cardboard Eagle has landed on a TV set!

  39. Worf if they have problems with the very verifiable lunar landing, they need to search the inter-tubes;

    IE satellites can see the lunar landing sites and see the pieces we left behind to include the US flags, lunar rover tracks from the lunar rover and LEM lower modual.

    Scroll down the pics are there.
    like this one from the apollo 11 mission, the one you stayed up to watch on tv.

    Or this one;

    which shows the lunar rover tracks on the moon.

    Wanna know why the clowns you are talking about sound soooo stoo-pid;

    they watch fox noise;

    On Thursday, February 15th 2001 (and replayed on March 19), the Fox TV network aired a program called ``Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?'', hosted by X-Files actor Mitch Pileggi. The program was an hour long, and featured interviews with a series of people who believe that NASA faked the Apollo Moon landings in the 1960s and 1970s. The biggest voice in this is Bill Kaysing, who claims to have all sorts of hoax evidence, including pictures taken by the astronauts, engineering details, discussions of physics and even some testimony by astronauts themselves. The program's conclusion was that the whole thing was faked in the Nevada desert (in Area 51, of course!). According to them, NASA did not have the technical capability of going to the Moon, but pressure due to the Cold War with the Soviet Union forced them to fake it.

    Fox making people stoo-pid for over a decade and proud of it.

    Hence the teatards we suffer with right now.


  40. Along with the Arctic ice, the rich world's smugness will melt

    The belief that Europe and America will be hit least by climate change is in ruins. Yet all we do is try to profit from disaster

    There are no comparisons to be made. This is not like war or plague or a stockmarket crash. We are ill-equipped, historically and psychologically, to understand it, which is one of the reasons why so many refuse to accept that it is happening.

    What we are seeing, here and now, is the transformation of the atmospheric physics of this planet. Three weeks before the likely minimum, the melting of Arctic sea ice has already broken the record set in 2007. The daily rate of loss is now 50% higher than it was that year. The daily sense of loss – of the world we loved and knew – cannot be quantified so easily.

    The Arctic has been warming roughly twice as quickly as the rest of the northern hemisphere. This is partly because climate breakdown there is self-perpetuating. As the ice melts, for example, exposing the darker sea beneath, heat that would previously have been reflected back into space is absorbed.

    This great dissolution, of ice and certainties, is happening so much faster than most climate scientists predicted that one of them reports: "It feels as if everything I've learned has become obsolete." In its last assessment, published in 2007, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change noted that "in some projections, Arctic late-summer sea ice disappears almost entirely by the latter part of the 21st century". These were the most extreme forecasts in the panel's range. Some scientists now forecast that the disappearance of Arctic sea-ice in late summer could occur in this decade or the next.

    As I've warned repeatedly, but to little effect, the IPCC's assessments tend to be conservative. This is unsurprising when you see how many people have to approve them before they are published.

    .... probably as shocking to the fox noise crowd, but much more relevant to the survival of them and their descendants .....

  41. This graph shows how dire the problem is becoming.

    Many people who study the science put the zero point on the graph as happening by 2020 .........

    think you will be alive in 2020, then this is a problem YOU will face also.

    Got children?

    They will face this problem for their entire adult life, and it will only get worse.

    That is the simple facts no amount of right wing denier-ism will ever make go away.
    Spin, deny, obscucate, and the problem will just keep on getting worse.

    Of course half the billionaires who fund the denier campo will not face the problem for long.

    Not the 80+ year old Koch Brothers, nor 70 year old Sheldon Adelson.

    The wingnut pretend christians can pray to jebus to save them but that ain't gonna happen any more then he will save the Arctic ice.

    The weather will get more and more extreme,

    Agriculture more unreliable

    People starve and suffer .....

    But what happens in the Arctic, doesn’t stay in the Arctic. The rapid disappearance of sea ice cover can have consequences that are felt all over the Northern Hemisphere, due to the effects it has on atmospheric patterns. As the ice pack becomes smaller ever earlier into the melting season, more and more sunlight gets soaked up by dark ocean waters, effectively warming up the ocean. The heat and moisture that are then released to the atmosphere in fall and winter could be leading to disturbances of the jet stream, the high-altitude wind that separates warm air to its south from cold air to the north. A destabilized jet stream becomes more ‘wavy’, allowing frigid air to plunge farther south, a possible factor in the extreme winters that were experienced all around the Northern Hemisphere in recent years. Another side-effect is that as the jet stream waves become larger, they slow down or even stall at times, leading to a significant increase in so-called blocking events. These cause extreme weather simply because they lead to unusually prolonged conditions of one type or another. The recent prolonged heatwave, drought and wildfires in the USA are one example of what can happen; another is the cool, dull and extremely wet first half of summer 2012 in the UK and other parts of Eurasia.


    But nothing will be done till long after anything can conceivably be done to stop the problem from getting out of control like it seem to be doing right now,

    but hey we have a

  42. Great quote more prescient today;

    “Humanity is conducting an unintended, uncontrolled, globally pervasive experiment whose ultimate consequences could be second only to a global nuclear war. The Earth’s atmosphere is being changed at an unprecedented rate by pollutants resulting from human activities, inefficient and wasteful fossil fuel use and the effects of rapid population growth in many regions. These changes represent a major threat to international security and are already having harmful consequences over many parts of the globe.”

    And a second;

    A great native elder once reminded his people to take care of Mother Earth with these words of wisdom: "We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children."

  43. Yes, I know about the pictures of the Apollo landing sites. I've pointed that out to a lot of the conspiracy kooks but nothing convinces them.

    Of course you don't need that to know we went. The whole world watched it. Its not a matter for "belief" but the Tea Party goons think it is. Its because they don't believe in science. Once you cross that bridge, where you doubt things like evolution, global warming, the age of the earth, etc, then making the transition to doubting the moon landings is easy.

    And I watched that special "Fox News" showed. It was incredible. They did not show any of the easily available debunking of Kaysings "theories".

    Fox News presented it as if it were fact.

    Its incredible that anyone can watch Fox news for anything other than to laugh at it.

  44. An Information Statement of the American Meteorological Society

    “Many of the observed changes noted above are beyond what can be explained by the natural variability of the climate. It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide. The most important of these over the long term is CO2, whose concentration in the atmosphere is rising principally as a result of fossil-fuel combustion and deforestation. While large amounts of CO2 enter and leave the atmosphere through natural processes, these human activities are increasing the total amount in the air and the oceans. Approximately half of the CO2 put into the atmosphere through human activity in the past 250 years has been taken up by the ocean and terrestrial biosphere, with the other half remaining in the atmosphere. Since long-term measurements began in the 1950s, the atmospheric CO2 concentration has been increasing at a rate much faster than at any time in the last 800,000 years. Having been introduced into the atmosphere it will take a thousand years for the majority of the added atmospheric CO2 to be removed by natural processes, and some will remain for thousands of subsequent years.

    ~ AMS Statement on Climate Change, August 20, 2012

  45. "And I watched that special "Fox News" showed. It was incredible. They did not show any of the easily available debunking of Kaysings "theories".

    Fox News presented it as if it were fact.

    Its incredible that anyone can watch Fox news for anything other than to laugh at it."

    Actually Worfy, Clif is trying to be deceptive here. It was FOX ENTERTAINMENT that broadcast that show.
    They also broadcast "The Philadelphia Experiment II" once as well.
    Do you suppose I also think a stealth fighter was accidentally sent back in time?

    OH, and did you hear that the Simpsons are actually real living cartoons?

  46. We'd probably have another 20 years left if Cliffy would quit spewing CO2 and methane...

  47. Gee Volty, thanks but I don't rely on you or Clif for my information.

    I watched it myself just about a month ago on Youtube. Here's a link to it if you like.

    Its not "Fox Entertainment". Its a "Fox Television Documentary" and is presented as an "investigation" of the Moon Landings.

    Its presented in investigative journalist style like you'd see a 20/20 episode.

    And the so called "disclaimer" at the beginning they briefly show states that this is not the "only possible INTERPRETATION" and invites the viewer to "DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES", if the moon landings were something OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

    Right off the bat they cast doubt on the landings by doing that. Just like they do with global warming, and any other scientific or historical event that doesn't meet with their 'beliefs'.

    The entire thing is completely ONE SIDED, and is one of the reasons so many kooks out there believe this nonsense.

    Here's the link, watch it yourself.


  48. When Fox "Investigates" the Simpsons documentary style, you let me know.

  49. Here. Here's one of the Fox news "pundits" Greta Van Sumthinorother casting doubt on the moon landings.

  50. Here's a Fox NEWS episode of Geraldo Rivera where he does a panel interview giving air time to the moon fake conspiracy theorists.

    Note its a three panel group, but TWO of the panel are deniers.

    Also note, that although Geraldo briefly states in passing twice that he "BELIEVES WE WENT" (historical fact doesn't require our belief anymore than the sum of 2+2 requires we believe its 4), he also repeats the conspirators claims and even seems to be challenging Bill Nye (the 3rd member of the "Panel".

  51. Worfy,

    It was on the Fox Entertainment Channel, NOT Fox News Channel.

    You know, the channel where the Simpsons routinely degrade Fox News...?

  52. Well Worf, I "believe" we went. I can't "know" since I didn't go with them, or personally observe it in real time, or have the technical knowledge to parse the satellite photos or telemetry data.
    But I do believe.

  53. Even Greta say's "we did go". She stutters a bit trying to get to her next point about the excitement that surrounded the event.

    Like I said before, Even you yourself couldn't withstand your own level of scrutiny.

    If you were to judge yourself with the same standard you apply to others, you wouldn't pass either.

  54. Fans and Friends of Voltron said...

    It was on the Fox Entertainment Channel, NOT Fox News Channel.

    "Volty". It was on "Fox Television" and was presented as an investigative documentary.

  55. And last I checked, they don't present the "Simpsons" as an investigative documentary.

  56. Fox and Friends of Voltron said...

    Well Worf, I "believe" we went. I can't "know

    Well Volt, as soon as you reduce it to a matter of "belief" then you open the door for the possibility of the opposite.

    Which is the game Fox News loves to play.

  57. Its not a matter of "belief". Its a matter of historical fact.

    As for the "shadows" and such, there is no discrepancy. These are claims made by the conspiracy theorists based on nothing other than their belief, or disbelief if you will.

    There's nothing wrong with the photos. The shadows act like they do here on earth.

    The issue of the stars is a non issue. Jim Lovell pointed out on Apollo 8 that the sky was "starless". Look at the picture of "EARTH RISE". No stars.

    Yet these conspiracy theorists use the stars thing as one of their chief claims.

    Try walking outside on a moonlit night and take a picture of the sky. There won't be any stars in it. Its because they're too dim to be photographed with another brighter light source present.

    On the moon, the astronauts were ALWAYS in daylight, so OF COURSE they couldn't see stars!

    Pardon the pun, but its not "rocket science". Any child can easily dismiss their "claims". It doesn't take "technical knowledge".

    It just takes eyeballs.

  58. Buzz Aldrin explained why he can't stand the conspiracy theorists or those who lend credence to it and why he now won't give it the time of day.

    He explained that its damaging young minds.

    These theorists not only cast doubt on the greatest advancement in scientific exploration in human history, but they cast doubt in science itself.

    And in the United States of America, something our youth today don't need more of.

    If Fox had presented this "Investigative Documentary" (Yes, if you watch it, you'll see right up front they state clearly its an "investigation into the moon landings") by showing the easily available debunking facts out there then that would be one thing. But they don't. Its one sided.

    Which is why scientists from NASA had to come out with their own debunking videos because so many kids out there see this stuff and "believe" it. You think kids, teenagers, or the sort of nuts that would believe this stuff discern the difference between Fox Television and Fox News? Especially when its presented as "INVESTIGATIVE"?

    Newsflash. They don't.

    So what this "Investigative Documentary" did, was spread this nonsense to millions of young minds everywhere, and now kids grow up with no faith in science, America, NASA or this great, historical achievement that I watched with a BILLION other people, live back in July 1969.

    Its doing damage. So when you say you "believe" we went, that's just casting doubt on the historicity of the event.

    Just like when republican leaders say they "Believe" Obama was born in the US.

    Facts like the moon landing don't require your "belief". They're historical fact, and casting doubt on them is just part of the bigger umbrella of casting doubt on science and government, two favorite stump points of the Tea party loons.

  59. Just like Bill Nye pointed out today on that video that these Tea Party parents teaching their kids the earth is 6000 years old, or that evolution is false is doing damage.

    Just like "disbelief" in global warming causes real harm not just to young minds, but to the planet itself.

    The Moon Landings were never, ever in doubt. If there had been the least inkling of a question then the USSR who had tracking and satellites in orbit not to mention had already been to the moon with a probe would have been all over it.

    These things came up recently from the anti science nutjobs out there.

    Bill Kaysing's a fringe loon that lives in a couple of abandoned trailers in the desert with a few hundred cats.

    Lending credence to these kooks, is doing real harm.

    And FOX, is the only one lending credence to them.

  60. Saying I "believe" in the moon landings is like saying I "believe" in WWII.

    These are historical events.

    They don't require belief.

  61. So when the "Investigative" team over at Fox presents it as ""Did we land on the moon? Was the entire thing faked in a Hollywood set? YOU BE THE JUDGE!"......they're doing nothing but rotting the minds of millions of young minds.

    Which is why since this "Investigation" aired back in 2010, doubt of the moonlandings has increased tenfold.

    It used to be only the wingnut fringe that bought into that nonsense. But thanks to the Fox special, reruns and being made perpetually available online, now more and more people are "judging for themselves".

    Which is why every 3rd or 4th comment in the Neil Armstrong tribute articles are from one of these conspiracy theory kooks.

  62. Worf they even studied people who reject both AGW and the moon landing;

    "NASA faked the moon landing - Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science".

    "Although nearly all domain experts agree that human CO2 emissions are altering the world’s climate, segments of the public remain unconvinced by the scientific evidence. Internet blogs have become a vocal platform for climate denial, and bloggers have taken a prominent and influential role in questioning climate science. We report a survey (N > 1100) of climate blog users to identify the variables underlying acceptance and rejection of climate science."

    View as pdf or html

    The studied the people who watched the liars at fox try to spin their anti government agenda against the moon landings, and of course the stoo-pid people who actually believe the liars at fox who claim AGW isn't real of the result of burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon in 200 years.

    as all studies of right wing anti intelligence they end upo with the same result;

    People who watch and believe the garbage fox broadcasts, end up believing what they WANT to believe instead of accepting science.

    Dummy-tron as a classic example of this kind of willful blindness so they can hold on to their cherished beliefs even when history and life has showed those beliefs are not true today and probably never were true for ALL of the people.

  63. Interesting right after a post where American Meteorological Society states unequivocally that the climate is changing with more extremes, and HUMANS are the CAUSE, dummy-tron wants to debate how stoo-pid fox noise is.

    PS dummytron fox noise uses their "entertainment" side to push right wing crapola also. Like using one of their Non News cable channel celebrities to push their anti government anti science meme for their corporate masters.

    PS remember the second largest share holder of News Corp who owns and controls all the fox noise clown channels, is;

    Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud of Saudi Arabia, through his Kingdom Holding Company, owns 10% of News Corp.'s shares, making Kingdom Holdings the second largest shareholder.

    That's right numbnuts, you right wing hate all muslims crowd watch a channel owned in part by somebody who comes from the country who helped fund the 9-11 hijackers', and of course where 15 of the 19 hijackers were born and raised.

    .... can you clowns say rube bait ..... ???

    Cause he is surely laughing his ass off at you idiotic morons.

  64. From what I can see Clif, the recent embracing of the "Moon Hoax" conspiracies by FOX are being used to help shore up disbelief in global warming.

    With NASA currently studying global warming in depth and providing public information on it it makes it hard for the wingnut deniers since NASA holds such a revered and respected place in the hearts of most Americans, with the moon landings being at the top of the list of their accomplishments that Americans admire.

    So by casting doubt on the moon landing Fox helps shore up doubt on global warming. After all if they lied about the moon landings then its not a far stretch to conclude they're lying about global warming.

    Fox is doing more damage to American minds than booze or drugs ever could.

  65. That's why their people like Voltron here say they "believe" we went to the moon, rather than simply "of course we went to the moon".

    Because by stating they "believe" we did it, they identify it as a matter of "belief" rather than simple historical fact.

    No one says "I believe we fought Germany in WWII", or "I believe the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor".

    They're historical facts so belief doesn't enter the picture.

    But now suddenly, Neil Armstrong's HISTORIC walk on the moon is a matter for "belief" to these wingnuts.

    Something we have to "decide" whether or not it happened.

    Guys like Voltron, who don't want to be identified as a complete tin foil hat wearing loon don't want to step on the toes of his compatriot deniers, so rather than simply stating "of course we walked on the moon" or words to that effect, he frames it as a matter of personal "BELIEF", thus paving the way for his wingnut comrades to state their "BELIEF" that it didn't happen.

    Its the oldest trick in the book, but one these lunatics and liars at Fox and the right wing nutjobs who watch it use quite effectively.

    By changing historical fact to a subject to be "BELIEVED" or "DISBELIEVED", he actually discredits it without having to come out and discredit it.

  66. Saying "I Believe we went to the moon" is his way of casting doubt on it, without having to say it didn't happen.

  67. Here, I'll do his next post for him.

    " let me see if I have this straight. Now if I say I believe the moonwalks took place, you're saying that I'm casting doubt on it? Now saying I believe it happened, means I think it didn't happen?"

    ..then I'll respond;

    'No, that's not what I said. What you're doing is "Casting doubt" on it, by reducing it from a historical fact, to a matter for individual belief'.

    Then he'll proceed to chuckle and pretend he doesn't understand the difference between belief and historical fact, because he can't now take the side of pointing out issues with it, otherwise he'll be seen for the doubter that would make him at that point, something he's already said he's not.

    Then he'll run off declaring me nuts and pretend to be superior and aloof, never once acknowledging the fact that he just reduced the historical landings on the moon by the United States, as a matter of individual belief.


  68. How's that for a time saver?


  69. The republicans do this all the time. Its their entire way of operating.

    Its the old "bad cop, not so bad cop" routine.

    One of them plays bad cop, and declares the moon landings a hoax.

    Then the other takes a softer stance yet still leaving sufficient credence to bad cops claim, being careful not to discredit it.

    Everyone knows we landed on the moon.

    It was the single most watched live television news event, in human history.

    A BILLION people watched it live.

    We have voluminous conclusive proof of the landings from trajectory tracking by the Soviets to pictures of the actual landing craft still there today, to visible tire tracks left by the rover to equipment left behind that still is used today to measure the precise distance to the moon to hours and hours of actual video to thousands of photographs to pieces of the moon itself.

    There is no "question" whether or not we went. No doubt.

    Never was.

    But yet that doesn't stop the wingnut that is voltron, from reducing it to a matter of individual "Belief", lest he be caught exposing his wingnut compatriots for the tin foil hat wearing LUNATICS, that they are.


  70. You wouldn't say you "believe World War 2 is real".

    No reason to.

    Its a matter of human history.

    NOT a matter for "individual belief".

    Same with the Moon landings.

    They're not something people have to decide to believe or disbelieve in.

    They're a matter of human history.

  71. Sorry to go off on this one Clif but given the passing of Neil Armstrong I just couldn't let Voltron walk away with his passing cheap attempt to discredit the lunar landings.

    He pulls this sort of stuff all the time.

    When a significant portion of his party members take up a stance (or worse when Fox does it) that is just so incredibly absurd that even he can't adopt it with a straight face, he tries this sort of nonsense to try to shore up their position while not actually adopting it himself.

    Same thing Fox did with the special.

    Sure they didn't come out and say they actually doubt the moon landings took place.

    Instead they reduced it to a matter of personal belief, just like Voltron just did.

    With their "Were the moonwalk landings fake?, YOU BE THE JUDGE!" nonsense, they reduce the moon landings to a matter of individual belief instead of the historical fact that they are.

    And he did the exact same thing there, and thought himself clever in the process.

  72. Because this ties into global warming.

    If they can cast doubt as to NASA's moon landings, and make people at least think its possible they lied to us about them, then they can easily convince people NASA's lying to us on global warming.

    Its all part of the act.

    The clown act.

  73. I'm not surprised. After all if you go into any article comments section the republican bloggers routinely refer to black people as "animals".

    In fact every time there's a shooting there's about a 1000 comments asking if it was a black person, only that's not the word they use.

    They cater to this sort, then like Voltron they try to play innocent and say "what, who us?".

    Looks like they're sweeping this one under the rug. Probably a delegate but we may never know.

  74. I mean, it tells you all you need to know about these people to watch them fawning over that fat, bloated sausage eating pig that Christie.

    I mean look at him. He's nothing more than a loud mouthed pig, who bullies people, insults veterans and anyone who dares question him. He hides behind his office as governor to threaten and bully citizens and has all the charm and class of a dock strike.

    He's about 2 cheeseburgers away from the big one, and he doesn't seem to have the brains to understand that.

    To watch these cowing rubes fawning all over him as if he's ever done anything of significance other than bullying mothers and veterans who dare question him is hilarious.

    The mans a bully, and that's why they kowtow to him. Like groveling grub-worms worshiping at the feet of Herman Goering.

  75. More racism coming to the forefront;

    A Troubling Chant on the Convention Floor

    "An unscripted moment happened late this afternoon that caused the assembled mainstream media to turn away in the hope that it would disappear... Puerto Rican party functionary—Zoraida Fonalledas, the chairwoman of the Committee on Permanent Organization—took her turn at the main-stage lectern. As she began speaking in her accented English, some in the crowd started shouting “U.S.A. U.S.A.” The chanting carried on for nearly a minute while most of the other delegates and the media stood by in stunned silence. The Puerto Rican correspondent turned to me and asked, “Is this happening?” I said I honestly didn’t know what was happening—it was astonishing to see all the brittle work of narrative construction that is a modern political convention suddenly crack before our eyes. None of us could quite believe what we were seeing: A sea of twentysomething bowties and cowboy hats morphing into frat bros apparently shrieking over (or at) a Latina. RNC chairman Reince Priebus quickly stepped up and asked for order and respect for the speaker, suggesting that, yeah, what we had just seen might well have been an ugly outburst of nativism."

    Stay classy wingnuts,

    you ain't gonna win the demographics contest then next few election cycles with extremists staging racist demonstrations like this in you own conventions.

    stoo-pid on many many fronts.

    also runs counter to the desperate kind of fronts Mittster and the corporate wingnuts are desperately trying to create;

    The RNC is so eager to make sure that minority faces show up every time a news camera turns around that they gave preferred seating to delegations from American Samoa and Northern Mariana Island and sent Florida's delegation to the nosebleed seats with the states with heavy Ron Paul support.

    The right wing living in a fantasy world ....still all about image instead of truth and substance, thinking they can disenfranchise enough democratic voters and foole enough low information voters to"win" another one like they stole 2000 with five right wing votes on the supreme court.

  76. Caribou Barbie would be soo proud if she wasn't too busy lookin' fer another scam to run on the stoo-pid rubes like these clowns.

  77. I was in Midas the other day getting my brakes done and this guy was sitting next to me. He started chatting to me about the weather, then how bad taxes were. Next thing I knew, he said "That COON in the White House has got to go!"

    Everyone started laughing, and the girl at the cash registered smile and nodded her head.

    This was in a Midas Muffler shop.

    That's why when these douchebags like Voltron want to play the Eddie Haskell routine and pretend the republicans aren't just plain old racists, I call him on it.

    Because they are.

    And he knows it, and so does everyone else.

  78. I'm gonna call bullshit on that one Worf. I think you're flat out lying now.

    I don't use that language, no one I know does and I haven't even heard that term since growing up in the 60's. And if someone were to say that around us, it would be strongly condemned.

  79. Either that or you live in redneck central. And considering I know the general area you live in, I don't believe that at all.

  80. Well as your comments prove time and time again, what you think and reality are poles apart.

  81. Well, with that comment, we now KNOW dummy-tron has never been in Maryland south of Washington DC.

  82. Just so's ya know dummy-tron I spent a couple of months stationed at Indian Head Naval Surface Warfare Center, attending EOD school when part of it was stationed there.

    IE Charles Country Maryland.

    and yes dummy-tron some of the locals DID talk just like that.

  83. By the way, all this speculation is laughable, as I said nothing about where I "live".

    I don't live in a Midas Muffler shop.

  84. And regardless of Voltron's delusions, the incident did happen.

  85. Its funny how they hate those "elite Hollywood actors" until they get one that espouses their views.

  86. I can only add he was also PRETENDING that his skit has any connection top reality like right wingers do daily.

  87. Personally I found it weird, boring and poorly scripted.

    : |

    Sorta like his movies.

  88. "Million Dollar Baby".

    It was more like Million Dollar Boobie.

  89. ...and "Gran Torino".

    I kept hoping the car was going to come alive and back over him.

  90. .and don't get me started on the "Every Which Way" series.

    When the first monkey took a dump on the car seat that's when I got a pretty good idea of what was in Eastwood's head.

  91. But he sure gave that empty chair a piece of his mind.

    : |

    ...which could be dangerous.

    I don't think he has that many pieces left.

  92. One Of R-money's supporters.

    A Florida man "obsessed with Fox News and the Republican party" felt that his girlfriend was too "liberal" -- so he decided he had to kill her.

    Police arrested David Kappheim, of Lake Park, on Saturday after the 60-year-old threatened a woman's life because of her supposed political orientation, according to a probable cause affidavit.

    The report recounts several incidents in which Kappheim allegedly arrived "stark naked" at the home of his girlfriend's friend, choked his girlfriend and told her that he would "kill her and burn her home," the Palm Beach Post reports.

    Kappheim explained to a sheriff’s deputy, “He was very conservative, and his girlfriend was liberal and he felt he was going to have kill her," according to the arrest affidavit, according to WPTV.

    Sounds like voltron ain't the only homicidal right winger (expressed the desire to cold blooded murder of 1.4 billion Muslims for their religious beliefs) feeding off of fox noises hate machine .......

  93. Police arrested David Kappheim, of Lake Park, on Saturday after the 60-year-old threatened a woman's life because of her supposed political orientation, according to a probable cause affidavit.

    Hmmmmm...could that be why we haven't heard from Johnny for a few weeks?

  94. In fact, when he left he was ranting about some girl and how he hated her.

  95. Then he just sort of fell off the face of the planet.


    I hope he's getting help in there.

  96. Just joshin ya Johnny.


  97. Where's Johnny?

    I'm starting to worry about him.

    Its been weeks since he blew that head gasket.

  98. Whew....had me worried there for a minute.

  99. We were getting ready to send out a search party.

    I suggested we start with all local bars, red light districts and detox units.

  100. Volt and I get the two hot blonde chicks in the clam.....get it..."CLAM".....LOL!

    Worf,who is obviously deeply in love with our hostess can have Lydia.

    Cliff, can have "Monroe"...........LOL!!

    : D

  101. Agent Smith:

    "I'd like to share a revelation during my time here.

    It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not.

    You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area.

    There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus.

    Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure."

  102. Agent Smith:

    Why, Mr. Anderson, why?

    Why, why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting?

    Do you believe you're fighting for something, for more than your survival?

    Can you tell me what it is, do you even know?

    Is it freedom or truth, perhaps peace - could it be for love?

    Illusions, Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose.

    And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself. Although, only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson, you must know it by now! You can't win, it's pointless to keep fighting!

    Why, Mr. Anderson, why, why do you persist?"

  103. Anonymous9:13 PM

    ...shhh....Johnny's trying to wax philosophical and poignant...

  104. So come on Johnny. You going to explain your little meltdown a few weeks back there and what that was all about?

    You can't just come in like volty does weeks later and hope no one will talk about it. That was some weird sh$t you were saying there.

    : | sorta freaked me out.

  105. Give mook mook a break,

    He is seriously trying to re-boot.

    Either that or his breakdown is complete.

    With teatards and their water carriers you can never be sure which one they are working on at the moment.

    In either case he is stuck in his celluloid fantasy world once again.

  106. gee, guess you're right Clif. I'll cut him some slack.

    : \

    ...but he did sorta freak me out...

  107. So did Clint Eastwood's "speech".

    I'm not sure if that was scripted or Alzheimer's.

  108. I think the real question here, is did he "know" the chair was empty?

  109. OK,Worf!I am a terribly busy, professional, plasterer/carpenter by trade. How you found out pisses me off? I hope you are not a stalker as I have always respected everyone's personal life.

    I knew long ago about Lydias suffocating divorce (and other things) but have never bugged her about it.

    I really wanted to take the "journalism" course at college,however, after a thorough investigation by me I discovered that work in this field can be difficult to obtain. Therefore,I took something more practical and became a licensed Welder/Pipefitter.

    I obtained a full diploma - three licenses - a strong letter of recommendation - blueprint reading - and graduated at the top of my class. I paid off my student loan, without outside help......period!

    Ultimately, I dislike this type of work.

    As for my 18 year relationship to a neurotic,disturbed, nut who took COMPLETE advantage of the liberal side of JMM (and made him feel responsible for all her earthly woes)...........I wont discuss this on a public blog......think I'm stupid asshole!?

    But,I will say that the illusory belief that all women are nothing more than harmless,innocent, butterflies on a goodwill mission to save the universe is pure 100% bullshit.....period!

    Stress is just as big a killer as any 44.......but the statistics don't mention this!!??

    Why would I stay in such a destructive relationship you ask??

    "Hope,it is the quintessential human delusion.Simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness."

    The Architect

  110. And,lets talk about your many meltdowns Worf. Many a times Lydia has pissed you off and you swore never to return????????????????????

    But,here you are???

    : D

  111. And, what about phoney Cliff????

    Claims love for the planet yet joins the military????? WTF???????

    Why didn't he join "Greenpeace" instead of loading all those 105mm howitzers???????????

    : D

  112. Vagaries of perception folks.............vagaries of perception!!!

    "It was useless to communicate with them as their powers of comprehension were limited to form that they wished to fill."

    Guy Sajer

  113. Johnnymoomoo said...

    OK,Worf!I am a terribly busy, professional, plasterer/carpenter by trade. How you found out pisses me off?

    uhhh, then you must piss yourself off.

    Because I found out knucklehead, ...from you.

  114. It was during one of your many "oh my aching back whines, where you were bemoaning the weight of a sheet of drywall.

  115. And you don't have to tell me about drywall. I had my own small but terribly busy drywall company at one time, and even had up to 4 other guys working for me at one point.

    Didn't you get my "mud" joke?

    I didn't like it either, but I did pretty nice work. Even did a curved stairwell once, where I had to wet the rock to bend it without breaking it.

    Its not bad work, but sanding sucks. Unless you wet sand but I preferred dry sanding because we were faster and I liked the results better. Except for the dust.

    The damned dust.

  116. Cool,Worf!

    However, there is a difference between a moron drywall-er and a plasterer............I do entire wall systems so smooth that a baby's butt feels like sandpaper.....LOL!

    My work is smoother than the actual drywall itself and I often demonstrate by sanding my final coat with my baby joke!

    Remember,there is dignity in any work.......period!!!!!!

  117. And why are you railing on clif? He said to give you a break.

    You're always like "yea but you did this!", and "he did that!", ...rather than addressing your own behavior.

    I think they call that cognizant dissociation or something clinical like that, lol.

  118. My work is smoother than the actual drywall itself and I often demonstrate by sanding my final coat with my baby joke!

    I did the same thing. In fact we'd do a finger test with a drop light for every client.

    No blade marks. No goobers.


  119. And I worked with a Hawk and a 12 inch blade.

    No sissy mud tray and trowel for me.

  120. I also did custom textured ceilings.

    Flat troweled, no stalactites.

  121. I am considered by many to be a "Master Plasterer" and have even been scolded by other trades for being a "Vincent van Gogh"

    I am an excellent carpenter as well who actually uses a square and level.....LOL!

    I generally do framing and finish carpentry.

  122. Pleasure talking to you,Worf,but I am tired.

    We will continue this interesting conversation later.



  123. I generally do framing and finish carpentry.

    Yea I framed too, 20oz straightclaw.

    But as for the finish carpentry, I preferred to stick to the Scottish carpentry.


  124. Claims love for the planet yet joins the military????? WTF???????

    Why didn't he join "Greenpeace" instead of loading all those 105mm howitzers???????????

    1, I have never "loaded a howitzer", but have rendered safe unexploded 105 and 155 rounds from said howitzers.

    Try in your incoherent babbling to get the facts straight.

    2, never said "I love the planet" so quit makinbg up straw men arguem,ents like right wingers do to try to make a talking point;

    I did volunteer to serve the country which gave me so much growing up. Sorry if that offends you but soem people you can never satisfy cause they ain't sure who they are, or what they want from day to day.

    PS; anger management might help seeing all the anger you reveal here with your rambling incoherent posting.

  125. 1, I have never "loaded a howitzer", but have rendered safe unexploded 105 and 155 rounds from said howitzer

    Is that what you did Clif? Like ordnance disposal or something? I saw that movie about the guy whose job was disarming that stuff.

    It scared the shit out of me. I couldn't see me doing that.

  126. Worf I was in EOD during Desert Storm.

  127. Kind of hard to believe Voltron and Johnny can mock and besmirch your service when in fact that's like supposed to be one of the most if not the most dangerous job in the military. It also has one of the higher rates of PTSD, which is not surprising considering the nature of the job.

  128. And they said in Desert Storm that stuff was left everywhere.


  129. That's amazing they can mock that. Particularly voltron, who's mocked it, belittled it, and yet never served a day in his life.

    He should watch that movie. It was "The Hurt Locker".

    Holy shit.

  130. Worf for somebody who doesn't know the details of what EOD does, The Hurt Locker isn't really bad.

  131. Scared the snot out of me. It was a little too in your face.

    I know I wouldn't want to try it.

  132. NASA’s Voyager 1 set to leave our solar system and cross into interstellar space

    It ain't the starship Enterprise, nor even the Millennium Falcon, but it is the first interstellar object we have sent out to where ever.

  133. "Hurt Locker" is an excellent movie.....outstandingly well acted!!!

    I am not overly familiar with the term "Scottish carpentry" but it seems to be woodwork that deals with items that are built entirely from scratch.

    For monetary purposes,I generally do windows,doors,baseboards,etc.Rarely do I build things from scratch. I guess I could be classified as more of a trim carpenter.

    I also do "welded metal" and knock down doors as well.

  134. Actually,Cliff, I clearly remember you claiming to be a bomb expert during the "Gulf War."

    Nevertheless,the only angry,gloomy, person here is you and your ongoing dim reports of how the world is doomed........never do you suggest "REAL" advice on how to repair the ant-farm????

    Just gloomy reports!!

    : |

  135. Princess Diana walked in the potentially live minefields despite being warned!!!!!!!!!!!

    What serious action have you taken Cliffy instead of being a cozy armchair philosopher typing in the comfort of your living-room?????????

    You "talk the talk" Cliffy,but you definitely don't "walk the walk".................LOL!!!

  136. Not a "bomb expert",

    There is much about bombs I do not know;

    Render safe procedures on the other hand.

    Which is why I use EOD, or bomb squad for short.

    As for the ant farm,

    Too late for the ant farm from an AGW perspective.

    With .8C degrees of global heating most of the Arctic ice is gone during the summer months. Given we have already set up at least 30-35 years more warming because of the carbon we released from burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon into the earths biosphere upsetting the balance nature had.

    We face a Arctic with no ice during the summer at least, but many scientists see a year round ice free Arctic, which will change the climate in ways the human race has never dealt with. That means the heat sink the Arctic has been for all of human development will be gone, and the ability of 7+ billion people tom survive on an ever changing planet with much more extreme weather conditions is very suspect.

    Not a good recipe if your one of the 7+ billion people at that time.

    Sorry if my views do not meet your personal approval, but too damn bad mook mook. Stick your heat back in the sand or your celluloid fantasies but the future of the planet is looking bleaker each year ad climate change keeps unfolding.

  137. Princess Diana walked in the potentially live minefields despite being warned!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yea and when it was my job, I disarmed said mines.

    What is your point mook mook.

  138. BTW to disarm mines you don't just walk in the field.

  139. I often wonder why God made me "The One?"

    : D

    Perhaps to make people jealous???

    Oooooooops, I better be careful.

    The same people who write books on narcissism also point their finger at the destructiveness of self-hatred???!!!

    Hmmmmmmmmm?????? Wonder if "BALANCE" plays a part in all this????

    Something Lydia strongly denies........LOL!

  140. I am not overly familiar with the term "Scottish carpentry" but it seems to be woodwork that deals with items that are built entirely from scratch.

    I was making what I thought was an obvious pun. You said "Finish carpentry". Get it? Finish, ....phonetic equivalent to the....awwww......never mind.

  141. I keep forgetting Clif we're playing with the slow kids.

  142. Johnnymoomoo said...

    I often wonder why God made me "The One?"

    Probably didn't want to repeat a mistake.

  143. Cliff said:

    "Too late for the ant farm from an AGW perspective."

    See,what I mean,folks! According to Cliffy.............the world is doomed!

    : |

  144. And,apparently,I have little faith. Something I clearly admit.

  145. Johnnymoomoo said...

    What serious action have you taken Cliffy instead of being a cozy armchair philosopher typing in the comfort of your living-room?????????

    uhh, Clif served as EOD in Desert Storm. Those of us old enough (clearly you're not) to remember, remember those stories all over the TV about the "Booby Traps" everywhere, with mines, IED's in cars, on people, everywhere. And the unexploded shells, many of which were also "boobytrapped".

    How you can sit there in your self flattering cesspool of narcissism and ego and criticize someone who served his country like that is beyond me.

    Read a book someday on the aftermath there when they went in and had to destroy all that stuff. You can do it from the comfort of your living room.

  146. Excellent, defense of Cliff, Worf. But,maybe he is a grown adult who can defend himself?

    What do you think????

  147. Do not know about the whole world mook mookm, I never said that.

    I said given the extreme weather we face in the coming years combined with the very stable weather pattern industrialised agriculture needs for good crop production, the planets population of 7+ billion people might not all find enough to eat.

    Too bad if the science and facts point in that direction, but dealing with what I dealt with in the army we learned not to make up things or ignore reality, not if we wanted to survive the deployment that is.

  148. I will personally hug Cliff when I see him sitting at the "North Pole" objecting global joke!

  149. PS mook mook, like I said, I didn't just walk into mine fields, I disarmed some of them. Destroyed in place others when possible.

  150. I will personally hug Cliff when I see him sitting at the "North Pole" objecting global warming

    tell ya what mook mook;

    why don'tcha hold yer breath till I do.

  151. Cause "sitting at the "North Pole" objecting global warming" will achieve for global warming what all the protesters in the street during 2002-03 did to stop the illegal invasion of Iraq.

  152. Johnnymoomoo said...

    Excellent, defense of Cliff, Worf. But,maybe he is a grown adult who can defend himself?

    How is stating a clear fact to you about your own disgusting derision of his service defending him?

    He's taking care of your bs fine. I just asked how you could do that about someones military service.

    Of course after what they did to Max Clelland, and John Kerry, I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

  153. Uhhhhhhhhh.......Cliff! Princess Diana had no training......period!

  154. I wish "The Good Lord" would give me someone intelligent to talk to?

    Actions, speak louder than words......period!

  155. So your saying Clif's service risking his life would be admirable to you if he'd chosen not to get trained first?

  156. Princess Diana had no training......period!

    Right mook mook, she walking in the field but had no training,

    I walked in the field, had training so I either disarmed individual mines when necessary, or set counter charges and blew the entire damn field up when possible;

    see the difference.

    The US army(read US Government) trained me and I used that training to save lives, both US military and Kuwaiti civilian.....

  157. Sadddam had a choice and he chose to break the "No fly zone."

    He was a tough guy.....with a sudden case of swelled head.

    Something you morons ignore.

    Kind of like Chamberlain and Hitler........LOL!

  158. Princess Diana walked in the potentially live minefields despite being warned!!!!!!!!!!!

    No she didn't, dummy. Its true she TOURED an Angolan Mine Field, but she walked among the "SAFETY CORRIDORS", and OBSERVED the mine field.

    She didn't walk out into it dummy.

  159. What you think they let a potential bearer of the crown walk into a live mine field?

  160. It was a PHOTO op, for her campaign against land mines.

  161. But instead of just allowing mook mook to dictate what I am doing,

    IE playing his delusional; usual mind games.

    I also am currently reading this website trying to LEARN more.

    Cause the mine field we all live in now doesn't contain explosives but will kill many many people, before it is all over.

  162. Wait, mine field shave cleared lanes???

    None I ever walked into,

    till I was DONE that is.

  163. She only walked among the safety corridors wearing a flak vest and a ballistic helmet for the cameras.

    She had her picture taken holding up the landmine sign and back then we weren't used to Princesses doing stuff like that so it grabbed the worlds attention.

    But she didn't walk into a live mine field dummy.


  164. Man Johnny, if it weren't for your ego or incredible imagination, I do believe you'd have nothing to say.

  165. Ultimately,Cliff, I respect your admirable service,but, I do not respect the view that "Dictatorship" rules.......something you guys seem to LOVE!!!

  166. clif said...

    Wait, mine field shave cleared lanes???

    Yes. It was already mapped out and marked off and their were pathways, like sidewalks AROUND it.

    She didn't walk through a live one, he's full of shit.

  167. I do not respect the view that "Dictatorship" rules.......

    Nobody said ANYTHING about dictatorship,

    mook mook is just becoming unhinged again after his delusional view is exposed for what it is.

  168. Notice how he gets caught in a lie Clif, and just skips merrily off into the next tangent?

    Its like he never said Princess Di walked into a live mine field.



  169. Voltron does the exact, same thing.

  170. PS mook mook notice the signs;


    The signs mean somebody cleared the area and marked the area where the mines are.

    Stay on the brown path where it is cleared and you are OK, just do not go into the deep grass where you cannot see the mine.

  171. Will sit there and push a complete fabrication, and then when busted on it go onto the next topic as if nothing happened.

    These are no ordinary liars.

    These guys are professionals.

  172. See Johnny? Cliff even gave you pictures.

    Now, were saying....?

  173. Worf said:

    "No she didn't, dummy. Its true she TOURED an Angolan Mine Field, but she walked among the "SAFETY CORRIDORS", and OBSERVED the mine field."

    100% pure bullshit! How dare you nullify her efforts. She was warned that mines could still be alive despite mine-clearing efforts........she disregarded this and chose to see the unfortunates.

    Something,your psychopath brain fails to comprehend.


  174. ...and now crickets...

  175. Johnnymoomoo said...

    She was warned that mines could still be alive despite mine-clearing efforts.......

    ...uh...yea....the mines ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE SIGNS.

    : |



  176. I'm concerned if Johnny were near a mine field that had a safety walk through it, he wouldn't know on which side of the signs to stand.

    : D

  177. She was warned that mines could still be alive despite mine-clearing efforts........


    mook mook unlike YOU I have cleared a mine field and KNOW from experience the British EOD would have NEVER allowed her to walk where they hadn't already determine ALL the mines were gone.

    There are quite a few higher tech ways to do so in a NON combat scenario.

    This I know, it was my job.


  178. ....Johnny'd be all like..."I know...I'll just straddle the line and then I'm sure to have at least one leg on the right side...."

    : D

  179. See

    Totally cleared down to bare earth,

    something you do not have the luxury to do so in a combat scenario.

    getting shot at and all that junk that occurs in combat.

  180. Here is one devbice I used when time permitted;

    Buried Ordnance Locator

    kinda like a mine sweeper on steroids.


  181. ...yea Johnny...Queen got up one and said ..."hey...lets just have the Princess walk through a live mine field....we'll all stand by and film it and see what happens..."....

    : D

  182. Worf said:

    "She had her picture taken holding up the landmine sign and back then we weren't used to Princesses doing stuff like that so it grabbed the worlds attention."

    Man,your negative......wheres your hope??????

    And,I thought I was a nihilist???

    I don't care what you assholes think,she was a great human-being.

  183. Hey cool Clif. Military site.

    Approved for public dissemination.


  184. Johnnymoomoo said...
    Worf said:

    "She had her picture taken holding up the landmine sign and back then we weren't used to Princesses doing stuff like that so it grabbed the worlds attention."

    Man,your negative......wheres your hope??????

    Well first of all, what's negative about that excerpt from my comment you posted?

    All I said was it grabbed the worlds attention because we hadn't seen a Princess do something like that.

    So where's the negative component to that?

    We all thought she was cool. We all loved her, remember? (oh right, you're not old enough) .

    And we thought she was cool for bringing attention to this project to get rid of mines.

    But she didn't walk through a live mine field.

  185. But you did.

    When you thought you'd float that whopper past us.

  186. Now they're going off in your face.

  187. What you do is just prove again how you guys never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.


  188. ...and now...cue the crickets....

  189. Hell johnny you want to do something that takes nerves?

    Walk down range after a hand grenade didn't explode;

    Walk right up to it and place a counter charge to blow it up and render safe the grenade range.

    That's right, walk up to a live hand grenade to destroy it after it didn't explode.

    All in a days work BTW.