Monday, March 09, 2009

FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION

"If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with a success unexpected in common hours." - Henry David Thoreau
"The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or what you will, and the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why. - Albert Einstein "
Science proves God... I say. God is the consciousness of love. There is no anthropomorphic god of course.

BREAKING NEWS:

1. WALL STREET JOURNAL STORY AN ADMITTED FAKE, a 'PLANT" BY THE RIGHT WING! (more details coming)

2. JIM CRAMER ADMITS TO ILLEGAL MARKET MANIPULATION, SHORTING STOCKS! (see video below)

3. FOX ADMITS TO PLANTING POLITICAL BRAINWASHING IN TV SHOWS

4. TURNING LEFT PAYS OFF FOR MSNBC, NBC News (GE)


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Here are the stories:

WATCH: In Shocking Interview, Jim Cramer Admits To Market Manipulation, Touts Illegal Activity



From HuffPo: In light of the current economic crisis, and with the hullabaloo ignited recently by Jon Stewart over the accuracy of CNBC's reporting, we thought it might be useful to revisit this shocking 2006 interview Jim Cramer gave to TheStreet.com's Aaron Task.

In it, the host of Mad Money says he regularly manipulated the market when he ran his hedge fund. He calls it "a fun game, and it's a lucrative game." He suggests all hedge fund managers do the same. "No one else in the world would ever admit that, but I could care. I am not going to say it on TV," he quips in the video.

He also calls Wall Street Journal reporters "bozos" and says behaving illegally is okay because the SEC doesn't understand it anyway.

Here are some gems:

-On manipulating the market: "A lot of times when I was short at my hedge fund, and I was positioned short, meaning I needed it down, I would create a level of activity before hand that could drive the futures,"

-On falsely creating the impression a stock is down (what he calls "fomenting"): "You can't foment. That's a violation... But you do it anyway because the SEC doesn't understand it." He adds, "When you have six days and your company may be in doubt because you are down, I think it is really important to foment."

-On the truth: "What's important when you are in that hedge fund mode is to not be doing anything that is remotely truthful, because the truth is so against your view - it is important to create a new truth to develop a fiction," Cramer advises. "You can't take any chances."

Special thanks to our tipster Henry Chukuka at Huffington Post! Keep those tips coming team!
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WHERE IS STIMULUS MONEY GOING?

Go to Recovery.gov for specifics on where every penny of the Stimulus money is going to help our nation in this crisis.


Turning Left Pays Off For MSNBC, NBC News (GE)


Nicholas Carlson|Mar. 9, 2009, 1:25 PM|11
Tags: TV, NBC, CNBC

GE Mar 9 2009, 07:42 PM EDT
7.41 Change % Change
+0.35 +4.96%
Two years ago, MSNBC execs decided to turn the network more opinionated and politically leftward. It's paying off.
MSNBC is up from 341,000 daily viewers in February 2007 to 471,000 last month.

With MSNBC making up the biggest chunk, NBC News accounted for 13% of NBC Universal's profits, or $400 million in 2008.

MSNBC's success was just part of a very flattering overview of NBC's news business in today's New York Times.
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FOX ADMITS TO PLANTING POLITICAL BRAINWASHING IN TV SHOWS

Paul Joseph Watson | PrisonPlanet.tv

Rupert Murdoch’s Twentieth Century Fox corporation has admitted to planting political brainwashing within its globally popular TV shows and indeed boasts that it is proud of the fact.

A corporate video currently being showcased on another part of Murdoch’s media empire, MySpace.com, shows Fox executives and stars of its universally recognized shows bragging about how they use the platform of hit shows that are broadcast globally to implant messages about the supposed threat of global warming.

This is not the first time Fox have been enthusiastic in propagandizing for the establishment. In 2003, Rupert Murdoch himself admitted that the corporation had “tried” to help the Bush administration sell the war in Iraq.

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And by the way, JIM "MAD MONEY" CRAMER IS WRONG!!

Here's what the Fox Business Network commercial says:

That last thing you need is bad advice.

The last thing you need is Jim Cramer.

Barron's said Cramer's [stock] picks consistently underperform.

Cramer said buy Wachovia, and it tanked.

And, when things got rough, Cramer said, dump your stocks and hide your money!

CBNC says Cramer is their financial guru.

That's just plain crazy.
Cramer: Creating diversions to hide his failures as a stock analyst.
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A LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE
If there is one pattern I've seen in almost 20 years of corporate consulting, it's that no matter what the dilemma there is always a positive lesson or outcome. The only difference between a 'good' or 'bad' situation is how it's perceived. When it comes to your job, you are not a powerless pawn in a corporate game. And when it comes to money, your level of attraction is equal to your positive focus. Everything you experience, positive or negative, is simply the law of attraction at work.

Let's consider how the law of attraction affects two workplace scenarios: jobs and money.

"I'm going to lose my job"

I wasn't one of the those people that started work in the affluent 80's, by the time I entered the workforce words like 'retrenchment', 'outplacement' and 'downsizing' were commonplace. Yet no matter what the economic climate I always managed to find a job where I was mostly valued for my contribution, well paid and departed of my own accord.

My friends, on the other hand, were being retrenched all around me.

I later realized that they got what they focused on. They would say things like, "I'm really worried about my job", "I think my boss is out to get me and my job is on the line" and "I knew that was going to happen" when they finally did get the heave-ho.

Failure is Not an Option: Apollo 13 Creativity
by Margaret J. King, Ph.D.

Failure is not an option," Gene Kranz, lead flight director for Mission Control, announced to the ground crew in Houston as Apollo 13 approached the critical earth-to-moon decision loop. Did he mean that failure had been an option at one time, but wasn't now? Perhaps that was why things weren't working the way they should have.

The mission went beyond testing physical limits, which the space program had been doing from the beginning. It was far more than a contest of athletic, technological, or engineering prowess. This was something more: a case study in problem-solving, a drama of solution-finding played out with limited resources against unknown odds, using the wits of two teams: the three-man flight crew in open space and the computer operators on earth.

Creativity need not begin with inspiration. It sometimes is a reactive force, triggered when all else fails. It’s a response to a new order of things. We experience our highest creativity not in doing business as usual, but when there is the most at stake and failure is a possibility but not an option. When our fixed assumptions about how things operate won't do, a new mission must be launched. "Forget the flight plan," ordered Kranz. "From this moment on we are improvising a new mission. How do we get our men home?"

It’s Often Easier to Quit... BUT WE SHOULDN'T

What can be gleaned from examining this episode of space exploration for application to business, research, or relationships—the whole gamut of problems and problem solving?

1. First, sudden and severe limitations can evoke the highest order of creativity, but only if they are not allowed to “abort the mission.”
2. Second, the automatic reflex when situations go bad is to get out rather than to make them better or turn them around.
3. Third, the knee-jerk answer to loss or failure is to minimize trauma through damage control rather than in creative thinking.

One example of an “aborted mission” is downsizing just to save face for the near-term bottom line. The consequences to morale, productivity, security, and opportunity are an array of self-reinforcing negative forces, social, economic, and psychological. These forces, of course, don’t solve the underlying problems, which don’t go away. The worst effect is that this policy of “containment,” layoffs followed by piling work on the remaining staff, which threatens their security—all lower creativity, dulling incentive to solve problems innovatively rather than reactively.

The alternative, following the astronaut’s example, is to drive the crisis through the “burn” to a creative solution: new products, better methods, refined targets, improved quality, conversion of failed solutions to one problem into effective solutions to another.

In order to convert chaos and crisis into opportunity, however, failure must first be precluded as an option. Once that hatch is closed, solution-finding can begin in earnest as a serious venture, not as just another human-resource excursion.

Closing off failure also constructs a tighter box of opportunity. When there is really no available fix-it kit, solutions must be devised that no one has dreamed of.

In this sense, thinking “inside the box,” rather than outside it, is the more creative act.

The human values mobilized in the problem-solving process are the catalysts to innovation. Creativity isn’t simply applying the tools of science to the job at hand. It involves the culture of creativity, the human mindset, the “deep structures” that tell us what is important.
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UPDATE:
In our interview with iconic White House correspondent Helen Thomas on Monday, she started out by saying, "Im a liberal, proud to be a liberal and always have been." Later, when I said to her: "The truth has a liberal bias," she laughed as if it was a revelation and said, "That is a GREAT point!"

I guess the truth can finally get ratings too! Maybe they can't keep the truth out of the media, though we know how hard Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Glen Beck, Praeger, Ingraham, Savage and all the rest of them have tried.

269 comments:

  1. Fox news is a propaganda outfit?

    Jim Cramer is dishonest?

    Why I never knew ......

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  2. I never "got" Jim Cramer anyway. I listened to him on the radio way back when, and the guy SOUNDS like an ADD child that spits out whatever gibberish is in his head. I'd never have made a decision based on what he had to say.

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  3. Sorry, I left a spate of comments on the last thread. I know that you'll end up hanging on every word, Cliffy.

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  4. Jim Cramer criticizes Obama. Jim Cramer gets attacked on Lydia's site. Who says that universe is unpredictable? LOL

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  5. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    Jim Cramer criticizes Obama. Jim Cramer gets attacked on Lydia's site. Who says that universe is unpredictable? LOL


    See Willy?

    Its your "words" which identify who and what you are.

    All that nonsense as to what side of the line you're on just sort of fades away in the stark contrast of what you actually say.

    Cramer's not being criticized here for criticizing President Obama.

    Of course you know that.

    He's being criticized for first making a series of lamebrain predictions, then following up with a fear mongering and panic spreading so as to facilitate the perpetuation of the crisis.

    Just like the article says, had you bothered to read it.

    Instead of coming in to play "concern troll" by trying to dilute the actual positions down to a partisan attack.

    Just like a good little concern troll.

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  6. Observe folks.

    The concern troll in all his dishonest glory.

    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    Jim Cramer criticizes Obama. Jim Cramer gets attacked on Lydia's site. Who says that universe is unpredictable? LOL


    An outright lie.

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  7. Jolly Roger said...

    I never "got" Jim Cramer anyway. I listened to him on the radio way back when, and the guy SOUNDS like an ADD child that spits out whatever gibberish is in his head. I'd never have made a decision based on what he had to say.


    I was warning people about Jim Cramer in here months ago, although not everyone agreed with me.

    I knew he was trouble, and when he went on the air AFTER falsely predicting Bear Stearns was stable and then seeing it collapse, and started panicking and telling everyone to "SELL IT ALL!!" SELL IT ALL NOW!!!", I wanted to punch my TV.

    He's an idiot. I don't know how else to put it. And he is one of the chief instigators of this crisis.

    I said it 3 months ago and its still just as true today.

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  8. Going on television and telling his base to "sell everything" was irresponsibility on what ought to be a criminal level.

    He caused a panic and a sell off.

    Back in the day when a bit giant would collapse, the analysts on TV would advise caution at best, but usually they'd calm fears and focus on what was good.

    Like the fact in the late 90's 2000 banks failed, and so far only about 50 have failed this time. So we're way behind, but no one focuses on that.

    Everyone's focusing on the few that aren't making it instead of the many who are making it.

    Jim Cramer shouldn't be allowed back on television.

    His career is over.

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  9. Bart, Jim Cramer's career is no more over then Ari Fleisher who is currently on hardball or Karl Rove who keep popping up trying to sell discredited RNC talking points.

    Just as the two former "bushnicks" can still foole a percentage of the sheeple Cramer will have that possibility also.

    Hell MSNBC still even allows Tucker Carlson to show his ugly mug from time to time.

    Cramer still has a larger dedicates audience then Carlson does and will as long as GE wants to allow him the right to spew his special brand of creating his own reality.

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  10. Well I wish his career were over.

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  11. I'll second that wish.

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  12. After the burn Stewart gave him, I bet HE wishes his career were over too.

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  13. Stewart showed him telling people to keep their money in Bear Stearns, mocking the idea they were in serious trouble.

    A few days later they collapsed, and then Cramer went on TV looking like a deer in the headlights, panicking and telling everyone to "SELL IT ALL", lol.

    If someone ends up suing GE over his fomenting a run on the market then maybe GE will take a second look at this "ASSet".

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  14. Funny thing is, I saw him that night, telling everyone to sell. I came in and posted on it too, calling him an idiot.

    I almost broke my TV.

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  15. Bart, GE has been behind blowhards like Cramer since the 50's when they had Ronnie Regan hawking their tilted version of what America should look like after his Hollywood career basically collapsed.

    GE needs people like Cramer and Reagan to make sure their piece of the corporate welfare pie doesn't shrink, and that they have a large say in how the political discussion is framed.

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  16. Those chuckleheads interviewing Cramer are as dumb as him. They hire them for their looks, not their brains.

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  17. Ronald Reagan. Remember the Jelly Bean lecture?

    I saw that live.

    :|

    I still relive the horror.

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  18. Will's complaining about being a labeled a concern troll, yet he comes in, lies about Lydia writing about Jim Cramer, claiming its because he criticized Obama instead of because Cramer incited panic on Wall Street.

    Twisting the truth to negate Lydia's entire article by pretending its based on nonsense. He laughs about it, and then cries when he's labeled a concern troll.

    Well Willy boy, if the shoe fits...

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  19. Hmmmmm .....

    Who didn't see this one a coming?

    Report: Bristol Palin and fiancé split

    The pair, parents to 2-month-old son Tripp, broke up 'a few weeks ago'

    Well it is now official, she is a high school dropout unwed mother with a child, born out of wedlock.

    I wonder how caribou barbie is a gonna spin this one?

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  20. Hey will, another windmill for you to attack:

    The Real Problem with CNBC

    ..... saddle up me bucko ....

    saddle up


    LOL

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  21. Hey what's with the "bucko" and other stuff?

    I thought Voltron was the pirate?

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  22. bart, Voltron is the pirate


    will wants to be volty's first mate

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  23. He could sit on his shoulder, like one of those parrots.

    eye...eye....where's mee eye boy?

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  24. I thought he was already sitting on voltron's shoulder.

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  25. So Clif, since Will obviously won't answer, I'll ask you.

    Why do you think Will would come in and attempt to dismiss Lydia's entire piece on Jim Cramer as simply her responding to his "disagreeing with Obama"?


    Now, why would someone do that?

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  26. bart he has proved he is willing to do anything to get some attention.

    it isn't aboyut right left partisan politics for him

    but ANY attention.

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  28. Will "take your meds" Hart said,

    Jim Cramer criticizes Obama. Jim Cramer gets attacked on Lydia's site. Who says that universe is unpredictable? LOL

    Thus far, I have avoided saying anything directly to you, but now I'm going to. This is about the stupidest damned thing I've ever seen in the comments here, and I've seen a lot of stupid things.

    We were criticizing Cramer for awhile before Obama was elected (here is an example.) Moreover, MENSA candidate, Cramer has often described himself down through the years as a dem, AND he's a guy who voted for Gore.

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  29. bart he has proved he is willing to do anything to get some attention.

    it isn't aboyut right left partisan politics for him

    but ANY attention.



    Why do these wingtards do this? What is missing from them that compels them to seek this out? I at least understand why Ann C___ler does it; she makes a lot of money of the inbred rubes. But why dolty? Why willy?

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  30. They're her emissaries.

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  31. Here's what the Fox Business Network commercial says:

    That last thing you need is bad advice.

    The last thing you need is Jim Cramer.

    Barron's said Cramer's [stock] picks consistently underperform.

    Cramer said buy Wachovia, and it tanked.

    And, when things got rough, Cramer said, dump your stocks and hide your money!

    CBNC says Cramer is their financial guru.

    That's just plain crazy.
    Cramer: Creating diversions to hide his failures as a stock analyst.
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  32. Yea but didn't you know Lydia?

    Will says you're only criticizing Cramer because he criticized President Obama.

    And we all know Will's fair and balanced and a moderate so it must be true, right?

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  33. I mean, it couldn't possibly be because Cramer hands out bad advice and single handedly caused a run on the market by screaming panic live on tv.

    Could it?

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  34. Here. Will's latest "article".

    A Clockwork Moronic

    Only in the idiotic blogosphere of Cliffy and the Mikester, folks, is the capacity to see BOTH sides of an issue and/or to compromise on an issue seen as a frailty. I mean, this is an almost cartoon-like scenario that they've created over there; clear-cut dichotomies between good and evil, absolutely, positively no shades of gray, whatsoever. In fact, me-buckos, I'm almost thinking that we're back in the 70s here - All-Time Wrestling on a Saturday afternoon; Butcher Paul Vachon, etc.......................................................Oh, and just try and disagree with them, take to criticizing one of the people that they've deemed to be the good guys, etc.. This, I'm saying, in that, if in fact you do do that, you immediately....not only get attacked and marginalized (sexually inappropriate denigration, an especially popular tactic of Cliffy, for example) but pigeon-holed as well. Man, oh man, oh man, oh man, do these frigging guys love labels; right-winger, reich-winger, troll, concern troll (that one's me, by the way), repug, wingtard. I really should have kept a list, I'm thinking............................................................And, yes, folks, this is from a posse of bloggers who generally see themselves as "progressive". Kind of ironic, huh, the extreme paucity of open-mindedness, etc.?



    Seem's like he's sort of obsessed with us....dedicating ANOTHER entire thread to bashing this blog.

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  35. Yea..couldn't possibly be people feel the way they do about you Will, because of things like you coming in and accusing Lydia of attacking Jim Cramer just because he criticized President Obama, could it?


    I mean, lies like that don't exactly bode well for your attempts to exonerate yourself, you know?

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  36. If Cramer had criticized a Republican President, you guys would be putting him on Mount Rushmore. And you frigging know it, fellows. This is an absolute smear machine and nothing else. Clif gets happy (hell, ecstatic) when a conservative dies and you guys don't even frigging notice it. That's how friggin bad it's gotten over here. Oh, and Jolly Roger, please, go back to NOT addressing me directly. You're nothing but an angry partisan schmoe whose opinion means nothing to me/anybody with a pulse. Face it guys, you allow NO outside criticism of Barack Obama. Pathetic and sad. Sorry, but it is.

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  37. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    If Cramer had criticized a Republican President, you guys would be putting him on Mount Rushmore


    You're clearly delusional.

    Try reading next time before shoving your foot in your mouth.

    No one here is focused on the least on his "criticizing the president".

    Everyone's talking about his bad predictions (see Bear Stearns, see Merrill Lynch) and his purposely spreading panic and causing a run on the market.

    Only a troll would fabricate such a nonsense position out of thin air.

    Its a strawman you invented to criticize Lydia and this blog.

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  38. UPDATE:
    In our interview with iconic White House correspondent Helen Thomas on Monday, she started out by saying, "Im a liberal, proud to be a liberal and always have been." Later, when I said to her: "The truth has a liberal bias," she laughed as if it was a revelation and said, "That is a GREAT point!"

    I guess the truth can finally get ratings too! Maybe they can't keep the truth out of the media, though we know how hard Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Glen Beck, Praeger, Ingraham, Savage and all the rest of them have tried.

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  39. And if you think so little of us as you keep saying, then what are you doing here?

    If you think so little of us why spend your time bashing us?

    You've written several threads now dedicated to insulting this blog and its members.

    So why not just go away, like you claimed to be doing, if we suck so bad?

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  40. Blogger Jolly Roger said...

    I never "got" Jim Cramer anyway. I listened to him on the radio way back when, and the guy SOUNDS like an ADD child that spits out whatever gibberish is in his head. I'd never have made a decision based on what he had to say."


    EXACTLY JR........Kramer like most of the talking heads on CNBC or FOX or like the vast majority of stock brokers is a damn joke as a stock picker only a few would his guidance to pick stocks...........I watch Kramer a few times a month but NEVER for stock or financial advice I watch him for the same reason i used to force my self to watch GWB because every once in a while he blurts out the truth and reveals the inner workings of the hedge fund, mutual fund industry or Wall Street just like GWB stated he wanted to get Saddam because he tried to kill his father or stated he wanted to be a dictator or the DECIDER or when showed his contempt and disdain for the US Constitution by calling it a goddamn piece of paper...........I sometimes watch Larry Krudlow or Glen Beck for the same reason just to get a glimpse into the head of the beast and how they actually think.

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  41. Blogger Lydia Cornell said...

    UPDATE:
    In our interview with iconic White House correspondent Helen Thomas on Monday, she started out by saying, "Im a liberal, proud to be a liberal and always have been." Later, when I said to her: "The truth has a liberal bias," she laughed as if it was a revelation and said, "That is a GREAT point!"

    I guess the truth can finally get ratings too! Maybe they can't keep the truth out of the media, though we know how hard Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Glen Beck, Praeger, Ingraham, Savage and all the rest of them have tried."


    The TRUTH is coming out more and more and the deceivers like Sean and Rush and concern trolls like Will are spewing talking points are getting bitch slapped more and more lately.

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  42. Jim Cramer did the one thing that no stock analyst is ever supposed to do on television.

    He panicked. And told his viewers "SELL NOW! SELL IT ALL!".

    Well, many of them listened, and it caused the DOW to drop drastically in a mini run on the stocks.

    Turned out, Cramer was just wrong again.

    The bottom didn't fall out, and the sun came up the next day.

    See folks have been criticizing Jim Cramer for a while now, as JR said. I know I tore him a new one the day he did that.

    It wasn't because he criticized the President.

    In fact, I haven't even heard that criticism you're alluding to. Haven't a clue what you're talking about.

    I don't need any extra reasons to criticize Cramer other than the stupid things he says on the air, and neither does anyone else.

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  43. Cramer: Sell It All, Right Now
    MONEYNEWS.com

    Monday, October 6, 2008 5:18 PM

    “Whatever money you may need for the next five years, please take it out of the stock market right now, this week.

    I do not believe that you should risk those assets in the stock market right now.[Jim Cramer]”

    The market tanked soon after, falling more than 700 points before recovering late in the day to just under 10,000 points.

    Some are already calling it the "Cramer Crash."

    MoneyNews.com
    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

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  44. Chris Matthews is annihilating that disgusting lying war apologist and right-wing tool Ari Fleischer.

    It is so powerful.

    What a liar.

    Maybe most of these people are sociopaths. I know Bernie Madoff is a sociopath. I have a suspicion many in the great banking rip off are as well.

    And so many corporate CEOs have no conscience.

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  45. Yes, when Jim Cramer panicked and said "SELL IT NOW!!" that was the stupidest thing he could have done!!
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    Turning Left Pays Off For MSNBC, NBC News (GE)

    Nicholas Carlson|Mar. 9, 2009, 1:25 PM|11
    Tags: TV, NBC, CNBC

    GE Mar 9 2009, 07:42 PM EDT
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    +0.35 +4.96%
    Two years ago, MSNBC execs decided to turn the network more opinionated and politically leftward. It's paying off.
    MSNBC is up from 341,000 daily viewers in February 2007 to 471,000 last month.

    With MSNBC making up the biggest chunk, NBC News accounted for 13% of NBC Universal's profits, or $400 million in 2008.

    MSNBC's success was just part of a very flattering overview of NBC's news business in today's New York Times.

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  46. Hopefully your financial portfolio didn’t include stock in Bear Stearns, but it might have if you had listened to CNBC’s Jim Cramer.



    After it was announced March 16 that J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. (NYSE:JPM) was purchasing Bear Stearns Cos. (NYSE:BSC) for $2 a share, the stock plummeted over 80 percent at the open of trading on March 17.



    But, on March 11, Cramer told an e-mailer not to sell the beleaguered investment bank’s stock on his show’s Web site:

    On March 11th, Jim Cramer posted this on his website to a question about Bear Stearns.



    Cramer says: “No! No! No! Bear Stearns is not in trouble. If anything, they’re more likely to be taken over.

    Don’t move your money from Bear.”


    The day Cramer posted this Bear Stearns was trading at around 62 dollars a share.

    Less than a week later the stock was selling for 3.72 a share.

    Investors lost everything.

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  47. But hey....we're just criticizing him because he criticized President Obama.

    :|

    Because Will says so.

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  48. Will the comical concern troll said "ohn McCain, right. The poor guy almost gets blown to smithereens over the skies of Vietnam. Almost dead, he proceeds to get captured and tortured for the better part of six years. A courageous and tragic story (the poor bastard still can't lift his arms over his head) - this, according to most folks. Not to the Mikester, though. The only thing that he derives from the story-line is the fact that John McCain flat-out "lost" another plane. A frigging plane he worries about! Really frigging nice, huh?"


    You just loathe facts dont you Willy.........the bottom line is John McNeoCon McSame made his military service a central and core part of his campaign and candacy not me...........therefore his record and competency was fair game.


    The fact that McSame lost 5 planes and graduated bottom of his class out of like 800-900 people are PROVEN VERIFIABLE FACTS that John McSame hIMSELF made relevant by making his service the central issue of his campaign.

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  49. Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, causing a panic and creating a run on the market, ...none of that matters. Will just ignores that, and falsely accuses us of partisanship.

    You're losing all credibility tonight Will.

    All.

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  50. Willy anwser me this Why is McSame's service unassailable and is it reprehensible to point out proven verifiable facts about his education or competence flying an airplane when the man himself made those relevant campaign issues..........that wasnt sliming him or attacking McSame personally like YOU and Rusty do to Clif those were issues McSame said made him qualified to be president.


    Why is it off limits for ANYONE to examine or criticize McSame's service record but you trolls feel perfectly justified mocking and attacking Clif a disabled Vet who isnt running for President or ANY public office.

    Could it be your a hippocrite concern troll?

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  51. Blogger BARTLEBEE said...

    Cramer: Sell It All, Right Now
    MONEYNEWS.com

    Monday, October 6, 2008 5:18 PM

    “Whatever money you may need for the next five years, please take it out of the stock market right now, this week.

    I do not believe that you should risk those assets in the stock market right now.[Jim Cramer]


    Look I agree Kramer is a joke as a stock picker but I think that took guts and he was correct look how many thousand points the DOW has fallen since he was advising elderly retirees who dont have the time to let the market recover to protect their assets and ply it safe.


    Say what you want but that was good advise and he was NOT spiting the corporate line on that at all.........GE/CNBC are a bunch of cheerleading IDIOTS and would have wanted him to say hold tight buy everything will be fine.


    One more thing the Kramer scandel is more about him somewhat condoning the hedge funds from committing fraud rather than his stupid wrong predictions.

    The IDIOTIC Bear Stearns prediction Might be Kramers biggest mistake that John Stewart is using to bitch slap him but his condoning Wall Street and Hedge fund corruption is what caused the light to shine on him.

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  52. Mike. Bear Stearns was just ONE bad prediction in a series of bad predictions. He had just gotten through burning everyone on Wachovia a week earlier when he made his Bear Stearns disaster.

    And its not just bad predictions. Its the CRASH he caused, by telling investors on his website and on TV to SELL EVERYTHING! He's a psycho.

    A loon.

    Here.

    Here's why Jim Cramer is worthy of criticism.

    Observe

    CRAMER MELTSDOWN

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  53. Will LIES as usual;

    MY complete comment;


    clif said...

    Paul M. Weyrich dead at age 66 …….



    ….. he died 65 years too late.

    Hope he rots in hell



    Why did I say that?

    this video explains it very well

    because he wanted to work to deny the RIGHT to vote to people he disagreed with politically, about as partisan as you can get,

    so his corrupt ideology could win;

    Just like Joesph Stalin did,

    Just like Saddam Hussein did,

    Just like Fidel Castro did.

    Just like Kim il Jung in Korea just did;

    destroying the democracy so he could win is PISSING on the grave of every United States Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine who gave their lives defending this great country and the Constitution which is the foundation of it;

    Will gets his panties in a bunch because that wanna be tinfoil dictator is gone and no longer trying to DENY the right to vote to people JUST so he could win, and I am GLAD he can no longer destroy the democracy so many have died defending?????????

    The democracy I volunteered to defend against criminals like him?

    Well will I guess I will never understand what YOU think was so special about his demanding the republican party DENY the basic right to vote to people they just disagreed politically with LIKE the communists in Russia we fought a 50 year cold war against,

    totalitarians in Cuba,

    Nazi Germany,

    Imperial Japan,

    Communist China,

    Iraq and elsewhere around the planet do to maintain their UNDEMOCRATIC hold on power;


    I guess my question would be

    Will why do you love him MORE then the democracy people like ME volunteered to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic,

    and Paul Weyrich WAS a domestic enemy of the United States Constitution ...... just like George W Bush was a political hack who benefited from Weyrich's anti-American style of political suppression.

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  54. Bart i'm not defending Kramer by any means..........just saying that one call you are referring to wasnt a bad call the market went from 10,000 to 6500 just like I said it would...........I said 6 months ago that 6500 would likely be the lows.

    Advising retirees to get out and not lose ANOTHER 40% that they dont have the time to recover was good advise.

    That doesnt change the fact that Kramer was kind of like a stopped clock that is right every so often or that any one basing their investing off of what he says is a moron.

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  55. And if you remember I think you and me had a slight disagreement on Cramer that night I came in and bashed him for panicking Wall Street and causing a crash. You said something about him being a smart guy or something. Remember?

    Anyway I'm just saying that Cramer has been a focal point for a long time, and Will's nonsense about Lydia just criticizing him because he criticized President Obama is nonsense.

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  56. Mike said...

    Bart i'm not defending Kramer by any means..........just saying that one call you are referring to wasnt a bad call


    What??

    I have no idea what you're saying now.

    Wasn't a bad call?

    When he told people to keep their money in Bear Stearns???

    Or when he caused a panic on the market that caused the DOW to crash 700 points in one day?

    Which one of those "wasn't a bad call"?

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  57. Because they both look like bad calls to me.

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  58. No cartwheels,

    just ONE simple statement about an unamerican traitor to the Constitution being gone ..... and will gets his panties in a bunch cause I dislike anti-american traitors to the United states constitution, like Paul Weyrich?

    One of Voltron's heroes BTW cause he also got his pink pajamas in a bunch also.

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  59. Cramer is a moron and he's been one of the leading contributors to the severity of this crisis.

    He gets people to sit on their money, not buy stocks, and in turn stocks go down.

    Its what's called a "SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY".

    He's part of the problem.

    He was never part of the solution.

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  60. Kramers a hack no argument there.........I only watch the clown like 3 times a month at most about the same as I watch Larry Krudlow or Glen Beck..........I NEVER watched him for investment advice I watched him because its interest to here him talk about all the insider trading and corruption stuff he was a part of.

    Sometimes he says some interesting stuff about how Hedge funds, Wall Street and Mutual funds REALLY operate.........THATS why I watched him.

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  61. Will on the other hand is a comical fool.

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  62. What we need now in this country more than anything is OPTIMISM.

    That same OPTIMISM that my parents had that got them through both the Great depression (as kids) and through World War II. They didn't tolerate pessimism back then like they do now.

    People knew that you had to move forward, look to the better day and make the better day come to you.

    The pessimism from men like Jim Cramer is what fuels crisis like this, and makes it worse than if folks just kept their heads.

    The DOW drops because of investor panic, not because anything necessarily occurred.

    One famous analyst like Cramer says "boo" and 600,000 investors run the other way.

    He "buffaloes them".

    Right off the cliff.

    And trillions are lost in the process.

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  63. If people would calm down, keep a more level head during these times, not panic, not make stupid moves, then things might be downturned but they wouldn't be "disaster" level.

    The market didn't have to drop. Fear and panic made it drop this low. 700 points in ONE day thanks to Jim Cramers "SELL IT ALL" meltdown.

    People need to mellow out, and not let the pessimists always have the lead.

    Michael J Fox is doing a special this week on Optimism. We all should watch it, and think about the role optimism can play in overcoming the seemingly impossible.

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  64. Wanna tell another lie will?

    Because you post about my comment about the traitor Weyrich is a LIE

    and you know it,

    everyone else does now.

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  65. Blogger BARTLEBEE said...

    And if you remember I think you and me had a slight disagreement on Cramer that night I came in and bashed him for panicking Wall Street and causing a crash. You said something about him being a smart guy or something. Remember?"


    Yeah I said that was a smart call he made saying the market would go significantly lower and that people needing their money in less than 5 years should get out...................I said the same thing Bear markets can last decades the DOW was dead money from 1929-1954 and from 1966-1983..........older retiress dont have DECADES to make their money back thats just a fact.


    I said back then I believed the DOW would fall to 6500 Crusty and the trolls mocked me........Hell YOU even mocked me Bart and it turns out I was right.....the DOW has lost almost 13 years of gains and fallen to 1996-1997.........adjusted for inflation it could be decades till the DOW makes new REAL highs.

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  66. Mike said...


    I said back then I believed the DOW would fall to 6500 Crusty and the trolls mocked me........Hell YOU even mocked me Bart and it turns out I was right.....the


    That's great.

    But the DOW didn't have to go that low Mike.

    It went that low because people panicked, and spread panic.

    We predicted it would go that low, so it did.

    The DOW Mike, moves on PERCEPTION.

    FEAR and ANTICIPATION.

    It doesn't move on reality.

    So we make our own self fulfilling prophecies when we predict gloom on the markets and spread it.

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  67. Mike predicted...

    adjusted for inflation it could be decades till the DOW makes new REAL highs.

    Yea and it could be days.

    You don't know. You predicted what others were predicting back then. And it went that low because people spread the panic.

    Yesterday, ONE PIECE of good news caused a 6 percent jump in the DOW and a 7 percent jump on the Nasdaq.

    Its PERCEPTION Mike. And I've heard all the gloom forecasts I need to hear.

    We'll make our fate, by either believing we can, or we can't.

    Either way, we're right.

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  68. Hey Will why do you ALWAYS LIE when you dont have the facts to back up your position..........

    1) You lied about Clif doing Cartwheels about a man who subverted the Constitution die

    2) You lied about Lydia criticizing Kramer because he criticized Obama

    3) and You lied about Saying you werent a liberal

    4) you hippocritically show outrage at John mcSame's servive being criticized but slime and mock a disable veteran saying "he;s on the dole" or he should "get a job"

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  69. Predict a slow return, and a slow return will occur, because investors will follow those predictions, and invest slowly.

    Predict a rapid return, and a rapid return will occur, because investors will follow those predictions, and invest rapidly.

    We decide at the end of the day.

    You'll be reading articles in the coming months and years about how men like Jim Cramer helped take what could have been an EXPECTED MARKET CORRECTION, of a few thousand points, and turned it into a MARKET DISASTER.

    Its negativity that drives down the markets. Well Citigroup, the ones everyone was saying three days ago were going under, 2 days ago reported its best two months since 2007.

    Beat that with a stick.

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  70. I think Will's given up, having exhausted whatever shreds of credibility he had left.

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  71. From 1966 to 1983 the market bounced up and down MANY times it didnt make NEW highs for 17 years.

    Sure it might make a rapid rally but it wont make inflation adjusted highs for a decade.

    secular bear markets last 15 to 20 years with numerous bear market rallies but dont make new highs for decades thats a historical proven fact not speculation.

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  72. Will is a concern troll extrordinaire.......he deals in fantasy NEVER verifiable facts.

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  73. This isn't 1966 and the markets and technologies aren't even comparable.

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  74. You are absolutely right though Bart i've read articles also that stated the new tactic of the right is to plant concern trolls to water down and undermine left wing ideals .........and to try and paint the left wing as mean, unreasonable and intolerant.

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  75. Mike said...

    secular bear markets last 15 to 20 years with numerous bear market rallies but dont make new highs for decades thats a historical proven fact not speculation.


    The economy, people, and technologies we have right now make comparisons like this moot.

    The markets will respond directly to the level of optimism of the investors and the growth of the technology sectors as well as the housing markets.

    We have a lot more people now. We have a lot more ways to make money.

    Doom and gloom and dismal predictions are what cause doom and gloom, and dismal outcomes.

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  76. Mike said...

    You are absolutely right though Bart i've read articles also that stated the new tactic of the right is to plant concern trolls to water down and undermine left wing ideals .........and to try and paint the left wing as mean, unreasonable and intolerant.


    Which is all Will does.

    His entire blog is dedicated now to trashing this blog.

    And that says a lot.

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  77. Mike when it comes to people like Weyrich undermining or actively destroying the United States Constitution,

    I'm about as mean, unreasonable and intolerant as they come.

    I gave my word that I would defend the constitution against traitors like Weyrich,

    and I try to keep my word.

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  78. Blogger BARTLEBEE said...

    This isn't 1966 and the markets and technologies aren't even comparable."


    Your right from a confidence standpoint its worse for the small investor there is SO MUCH corruption and ways for hedge funds, mutual funds and large institutional investors to fleece and stack the deck against the small investor that ONLY strong hands who have long time horizons and who KNOW what they are doing should be in the market......that or experienced savy traders.

    Until proper regulations are put in place and we are in a declining interest rate environment where inflation and tight credit are factors weighing down the markets the stock market is a VERY dangerous place for small investors.

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  79. For the record I sold EVERYTHING In October but as of last week i'm fully invested in stocks again.........I just wouldnt recommend them to older people with short time horizons or people who arent who arent comfortable or confident doing their own research and making their own decisions.

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  80. I agree on the regulatory oversight. Its one of the biggest problems.

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  81. Yeah Clif some people value the Constitution they learned about in elementary school and consider its defense sacred and others like Will aftter the treasonous acts of the last 8 years when the OVERWHELMING majority of this country has shifted left of center Willy has shited to the Right.........No one ever accused Will of being real smart.......LOL........him and volt kind of remind me of those two bird brains Heckle and Jekyl.

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  82. So, Mike, you're still counting the plane that got blown up by friendly fire as a "lost" plane? What a jerk. And the one over the mediterranean wasn't "lost". He took out some wires and was still able to land it. And you're still counting the one that flamed out and to which he was cleared of any responsibility. And, most diespicably, you're still counting the episode where he was shot down. UNBELIEVABLE!!! So, did everybody who got shot down over Vietnam "lose" their plane, or only the individuals that a partisan hack like you seems to froth at the mouth over? Yes, McCain used his militart service, but so, too, did John Kerry. Apparently, that didn't bother you as much.

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  83. So we're you planning on diversions all night Will or were you going to answer as to why you falsely accused Lydia and those in here of attacking Cramer because he criticized the President?

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  84. Blogger BARTLEBEE said...

    So we're you planning on diversions all night Will or were you going to answer as to why you falsely accused Lydia and those in here of attacking Cramer because he criticized the President?"


    Yeah will how about answering why you LIE ALL THE TIME..........not one single person in this blog EVER mentioned Kramer criticizing Obama except you pulling your slimy concern troll routine.

    I actually happened to watch the episode where Kramer DID Criticize Obama.........so what he;s entitled to criticize Obama, I dont agree with him but he's entitled to his opinion.

    You on the other hand dont have an opinion your like the 7 faces of sybil you have 7 positions on every issue most of them subtly trying to undermine the man.

    If you dont like Obama then be a man and criticize him like a man not like a slimy little concern troll.

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  85. your an attention seeking concern troll that will do and say anything for attention.

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  86. I have mixed feelings about Obama, Mike. I like some of the things he's done and said so. I disapprove of some of the things he's done and I've mentioned those, too. If you want a much less nuanced view of the man, read your own stuff, buddy.

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  87. There have been a crap-load of prognosticators who's predictions haven't come true. But, no, you guys just happen to pick out the guy who (accurately, in my opinion) has been highly critical of Obama's stimulus program. Just a frigging coincidence, huh? There, now how do you like it - your motivations being questioned?..........P.S. While you're at it, why don't you take a swing at Barney Frank? He's the numbskull who just a couple years ago said that Fannie and Freddie were "solid". Oh, wait a minute, he's a Democrat. I forgot. Never mind.

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  88. And, Clif, the guy's ashes weren't even cool yet before you started pissing on them. And the fact that you would have been even happier if the guy had died 65 years earlier, as a one year-old. Disgraceful.

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  89. Still defending a person who actively worked to subvert the United States Constitution and prevent United states citizens some of them veterans from voting will

    pathetic.

    Why do you want to defend TRAITORS?

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  91. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    I have mixed feelings about Obama, Mike. I like some of the things he's done and said so.


    Oh for the love of.....enough with your bowling club questionnaire crap.

    You keep telling people over and over what you'd like us to believe about you, when your words tell us all we need to know.

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  92. I've heard all the autobiographies I need from you troll.

    When you can answer to your LYING ACCUSATIONS you made above, then you'll be saying something we want to hear.

    You're "I'm this" and "I'm that" crap is just more lies from a liar.

    And yes, I'm calling you a liar.

    Because thats what you are Will.

    A liar.

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  93. Answer to THIS lie TROLL.

    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    Jim Cramer criticizes Obama. Jim Cramer gets attacked on Lydia's site. Who says that universe is unpredictable? LOL



    Answer to that lie, liar.

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  94. And answer to this lie, liar.


    Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    If Cramer had criticized a Republican President, you guys would be putting him on Mount Rushmore. And you frigging know it, fellows. This is an absolute smear machine and nothing else.



    Answer to that lie, lying troll.

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  95. .him and volt kind of remind me of those two bird brains Heckle and Jekyl.

    Hey now..... they were funny as hell; to this day I have DVDs of Heckle and Jeckle. The twin trolls of stupidity, OTOH, couldn't make a hyena laugh. They're just pathetic.

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  96. Guys,

    I just finished watching Jon Stewart dismantle Jim Cramer. Now I'm not really all well informed on economics but Cramer impressed me as a shifty snake oil salesman that's just been caught with his hand in the till.

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  97. Clif,

    I couldn't agree with you more about Paul Weyrich. He now joins Jerry Falwell and D.James Kennedy in whatever place piously hypocritical demagogues go to when they pass.

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  98. Frank, how come over here you talk to Clif like he's a friend, but over at Will's site you join in the foul slander against him?

    Just curious.

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  99. Bartlebee,

    Show me where I have committed "foul slander" against Clif. Give me some quotes in context.

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  100. Well ..... there is this;



    Take, for instance, this blogger fellow named Clif. The dude practically did a somersault in celebration when conservative commentator Paul Wyrek passed away. Yeah, that's right, folks. He was actually happy when the fellow died. To this frigging day it still kind of creeps me out in fact.


    ..... then, Ummmmmm you said this ..............

    Frank Frey said...

    Will,

    Why does this surprise you?

    March 10, 2009 9:56 PM



    QED anyone?

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  101. I didn't say you "committed it".

    I said you joined in, which you did.

    Will

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  102. Will Hart wrote...


    Take, for instance, this blogger fellow named Clif. The dude practically did a somersault in celebration when conservative commentator Paul Wyrek passed away. Yeah, that's right, folks. He was actually happy when the fellow died. To this frigging day it still kind of creeps me out in fact..............................................................And let us not forget the Mikester, folks.
    ......



    And then Frank Frey replied;


    Frank Frey said...

    Will,

    Why does this surprise you?

    March 10, 2009 9:56 PM

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  103. See Frank?

    I was posting your answer and Clif saw THE EXACT SAME THING, and posted it.

    Guess you thought we wouldn't notice.

    But we did.

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  104. We'll be waiting patiently for your convoluted explanation of how what you "really meant" wasn't what you wrote.

    :|

    Try to keep it short and concise, like Will does.

    Then move on quickly to something else, ....like Will does....

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  105. Then when you're doing tap dancing around that one, perhaps you can explain why you're so buddy buddy with Will, and his blog which has turned into nothing more than a "BASH LYDIA CORNELL and her bloggers" site.

    That oughta be a doozy.

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  106. ...cricket's chirping...

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  107. ....peep....peep....

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  108. ....theme to Jeopardy playing softly in the distance...

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  109. Bartlebee,

    That's it huh...that's all you got?
    My comment to Will was about Will. Why is he always surprised when he comes here and gets a "beatdown" and keeps coming back and keeps acting surprised and shocked when he gets the same treatment.
    I am reminded of the old joke about the man who walks into the doctors office and says "Doctor, I broke my arm in three places what should I do?"
    The doctor says "I'd stay the hell outta those places if I were you."
    The same thing goes for Will.
    What are you really trying to do, Bartlebee?

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  110. Frank Frey said...

    Bartlebee,

    That's it huh...that's all you got?
    My comment to Will was about Will. Why is he always surprised when he comes here and gets a "beatdown" and keeps coming back and keeps acting surprised and shocked when he gets the same treatment.


    Horse manure.

    Will wrote derogatory comments about Clif and Mike. You respond with "why does that surprise you?".

    Try again sparky.

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  111. Clif,

    If what I posted on Will's site offended you, I'm sorry that was not my intention.
    I'd like to hear your opinion instead of Bartlebee's.

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  112. Here. Here's Will's entire article. Unedited.

    A Clockwork Moronic
    Only in the idiotic blogosphere of Cliffy and the Mikester, folks, is the capacity to see BOTH sides of an issue and/or to compromise on an issue seen as a frailty. I mean, this is an almost cartoon-like scenario that they've created over there; clear-cut dichotomies between good and evil, absolutely, positively no shades of gray, whatsoever. In fact, me-buckos, I'm almost thinking that we're back in the 70s here - All-Time Wrestling on a Saturday afternoon; Butcher Paul Vachon, etc.......................................................Oh, and just try and disagree with them, take to criticizing one of the people that they've deemed to be the good guys, etc.. This, I'm saying, in that, if in fact you do do that, you immediately....not only get attacked and marginalized (sexually inappropriate denigration, an especially popular tactic of Cliffy, for example) but pigeon-holed as well. Man, oh man, oh man, oh man, do these frigging guys love labels; right-winger, reich-winger, troll, concern troll (that one's me, by the way), repug, wingtard. I really should have kept a list, I'm thinking............................................................And, yes, folks, this is from a posse of bloggers who generally see themselves as "progressive". Kind of ironic, huh, the extreme paucity of open-mindedness, etc.?



    This article is foul, ugly, one sided, misrepresented and outright insulting.


    And Frank, "mister moderate", ...everyones "friend"....responds by saying "why does this surprise you?", thus endorsing the article.

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  113. Frank Frey said...

    Clif,

    If what I posted on Will's site offended you, I'm sorry that was not my intention.
    I'd like to hear your opinion instead of Bartlebee's.



    Try again Frank.

    Clif's got your number. And I'm pretty sure everyone else here does too.

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  114. Frank Frey weaseled...

    Clif,

    If what I posted on Will's site offended you, I'm sorry that was not my intention.


    Sure. He just cheers on an article BASHING Clif, ....one of MANY by the same author, ....an author who he constantly praises, ...but "he didn't mean to offend Clif".


    The other day Frank someone was saying you were starting to smell, but I stood up for you.

    I said, "like sh$t he does".

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  115. Bartlebee,

    That's my explanation and I'm sticking to it. My question to you is who made you the Inquisitor General of this blog? What's up with this witch hunt that you're conducting? What business is it of yours whose blog I'm on?
    Apparently, you've got some issues!

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  116. You didn't just insult Clif Frank.

    You insulted everyone here, including Lydia with that endorsement of that hate speech Will posted as an article.

    There it is, in all its entirety, unedited for all to see.

    And there you are, AGREEING with it.

    For all to see.

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  117. Frank Frey said...

    Bartlebee,

    That's my explanation and I'm sticking to it.


    What "explanation"?

    You didn't offer one.

    You just tried to water down what you wrote.

    That wasn't an "explanation".

    It was just a weasel's lie, trying to weasel out of being caught endorsing Will's lies and hate speech against this blog.

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  118. And now all you're trying to do is weasel out and try and make it about me.

    Its not.

    Will insulted Clif by name. He insulted Mike by name. And he insulted this blog, and all its members, including Lydia in his bashing of it.

    And you chimed in, airing your support.

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  119. Bartlebee,

    Okay, that's it. I'm waiting to hear what Mike and Clif have to say. It's pretty obvious that matter what I say it's not gonna satisfy you.
    But then this really isn't about Clif or Mike or Lydia is it?
    This is all about you. Bartlebee the Great. The Guardian of the Shrine.

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  120. Go ahead troll.

    Try and put the onus for YOU being caught endorsing hate speech against all of us, especially Clif, and then LYING about it, onto me.

    You give yourself away. Your obsession with me gives you away, but keep it up.

    Maybe someones dumb enough to fall for it.

    Doubt it, but at this point, what have you got to lose, right?

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  121. Frank I agree with bart,

    I took YOUR response to will on his blog exactly they way bart, mike and others did.

    sorry but that is the way it reads, which I think is the way you wanted it to read for will.

    And will is about as slimy as they come.

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  122. And what Will wrote was foul and ugly.

    He called us all "morons" in the title of his little article.

    And yet there you were, cheering him on.

    :|

    And then you have the gall to come in here and talk as if you're our friends, and we're dumb enough to believe it.

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  123. Clif,

    Well, okay. I didn't mean that way but if that's how you've taken it then I'm sorry. I should've phrased it better. Should've made myself clearer. I didn't. My bad. If this isn't good enough then I've done all I can. I don't know what else I can do to make amends.

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  124. Well?

    Aren't you going to make another speech about how its "all me"?

    How I'm so evil, and how I'm "ruining the blog"?

    Right before you storm off vowing never to return again?

    :|

    At which point you'll leave, then return again inside of a week.

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  125. Frank Frey said...

    I don't know what else I can do to make amends.


    I know.

    You can stop lying.

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  126. Frank Frey said...

    Clif,

    Well, okay. I didn't mean that way but if that's how you've taken it then I'm sorry



    There was no other way to take it.

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  127. Of course you know that.

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  128. And knew it when you said it.

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  129. Bartlebee,

    I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Clif. Why do you feel compelled to interject yourself in a conversation that doesn't concern you?

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  130. Frank Frey said...

    Bartlebee,

    I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to Clif. Why do you feel compelled to interject yourself in a conversation that doesn't concern you?


    lol, nice try.

    But since "I" was the one who brought it up, and since Will called us ALL morons, and YOU endorsed it, it does concern me slick.

    Deal with it.

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  131. Will said...

    A frigging plane he worries about! Really frigging nice,

    Hmmm, that reminds me of someone. Now...who was it that used to say "frigging" all the time?

    Oh yea.

    :|

    Sara.

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  132. ....Sara...

    ..you're the poet in my heart.


    :|


    ..don't you ever change...


    And don't you ever start.

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  133. I've never been to Will "take your meds" Hart's site, because I see enough of his doubletalking drivel here. I see I never missed much.

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  134. Actually JR I think Will is taking some of his "patients" meds ......

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  135. We need LOTS more CEO's like this;

    A head with a heart

    and lots less heartless souls like CNBC parade by daily.

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  136. Yea some people are turning to ideas.

    The Mayor of Newark pooled 6 million dollars to give out in loans.

    And California and Oregon are considering growing and selling medical marijuana and taxing the sh$t out of it to balance their budgets.

    Its good to see people starting to stand up and move away from the "CAN'T DO" attitude of the right wing.

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  137. "This article is foul, ugly," Will was striving for accuracy... "one sided," a collaboration with you would have eliminated accuracy... "misrepresented" Yes, I first thought he was talking about a movie... "and outright insulting." I guess the truth DOES hurt...

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  138. bart, Will's word salad disease seems to have infected Eric, er I mean, Voltron now.

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  139. About that VA healthcare...

    Senators slam plan for wounded vets to use private insurance

    By Adam Levine
    March 12, 2009


    "WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance."

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  140. Voltron said...

    "This article is foul, ugly," Will was striving for accuracy... "one sided," a collaboration with you would have eliminated accuracy... "misrepresented" Yes, I first thought he was talking about a movie... "and outright insulting." I guess the truth DOES hurt...



    The truth?


    The "truth" it seems is directly embedded albeit thinly into the realization that whenever Will is the topic, "you" respond.

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  141. Hey, Will's a pretty decent guy.

    They DO pass through here on occasion...

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  142. Ummm dolty boy, that will never happen, because no senator or congress critter wants to say YOU now have to pay for losing your leg while in the service,

    trust me on this one son.

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  143. Voltron said...

    Hey, Will's a pretty decent guy.

    They DO pass through here on occasion...


    That's it.

    Squirm.

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  144. It is already DOA in congress whop has to pass the changes to the VA medical care for those of us who did volunteer for the service and got disabled due to our service.

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  145. No doubt Cliffy.

    But that one proposed it, and he IS your guy, right?

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  146. Just one senators perspective

    "I believe that veterans with service-connected injuries have already paid by putting their lives on the line," Sen Patty Murray said in her remarks. "I don't think we should nickel and dime them for their care."

    and trust me John McCain force the congress to give back the rights veterans were promised that republicans under Reagan stole,

    they will never get this past him, or Jim Webb

    Wanna see real bi-partisanship in action?

    Try it.

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  147. No son he isn't my guy.

    He is all of ours president

    get used to it son.

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  148. What would you have said about Bush if an idea like that came from his administration?

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  149. The viability of that truth is augmented in direct proportion to the degree that it makes you squirm, and work to distract and digress.

    Go Volt, go.

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  150. I doubt Barack Obama came up with it, probably some hold over at the VA since not all the Obama people have been confirmed yet.

    The reich-wing has pushed that brain dead idea since Reagan's time.

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  151. He keeps pushing ideas like that, and perhaps you'd better "get used to it"...

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  152. Like the Reagan Admin is the one who cut active duty benefits and retire benefits that McCain forced the republican Congress and Bush Admin put back by threatening to hold every piece of legislation till they did.

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  153. LOL, that's a good one Clif.

    I guess it's still Bush's fault.

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  154. Um numbskull, it weren't Obama but Shinseki who was quoted,

    try hooked on phonics son.

    you'll learn reading comprehension someday.

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  155. No moron Reagan's and the id-jets he brought which screwed the veterans and raised taxes on everyone BUT the very rich.

    You do need that hooked on phonics reading comprehension course bad.

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  156. No wonder why you rarely update your echo chamber.

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  157. "Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering..."

    Yes, comprehension...

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  158. See the problem is you can not make private insurance agencies pay for wounds or injuries while the vet was in active duty status since they worked for the government,

    that is what they are trying son

    make the private insurance companies pay for medical care the US government is actually responsible for.

    Damn you actually didn't really read it did you?

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  159. Cliffy, I really don't care about the legalities or whether congress will actually pass it.

    What amuses me is that a "competent administration" is proposing it...

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  160. "Obama administration" all 4,193,144 people who work for Obama in the executive branch.

    The idea of privatizing vets care has been pushed since the 1980's and gets shot down in congress each and every time by members of both parties.

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  161. What amuses me ......

    I know you are easily amused;

    yes son I have seen your echo chamber.

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  162. The balloon fantasy you posted shows what amuses you quite well



    You don't have to explain much after that one.

    except to your shrink........


    LOL

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  163. "See the problem is you can not make private insurance agencies pay for wounds or injuries while the vet was in active duty status since they worked for the government."

    Did a little reading up on this Clif,

    From my understanding, if you're currently active duty they make you fill out a third party collection form. IF you already have insurance by a outside party they bill them first, because tricare is never a primary insurance.

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  164. Neither here nor there I guess.

    The main point is still Obama is considering it...

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  165. sorry but since you are discussing VA care active duty isn't relevant, and the insurance you quote is for dependents id-jet

    active duty soldiers NEVER pay for their medical care while serving on active duty, the dependents Champus was a hare brained idea by reich-wingers in Reagan's war on the middle class to pick soldiers pockets.

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  166. tricare is never a primary insurance.

    for dependants son

    Active duty soldiers don't pay for their care son.

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  167. But since most soldiers don't carry separate insurance while serving the tri-care secondary insurance comes into play with retirees.

    Another way for the republican'ts to pick the pockets of those who serve to enable the rich who didn't to keep a few pennies more.

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  168. Time to search for more half truths to post son, cause you're flailing here with the ones ya got.

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  169. Oh wow!, MORE bad news Clif.
    (you won't like the source I know, but I bet it's true...)

    Obama OKs Embyro Research Monday, Bans it Wednesday
    Thursday, March 12, 2009
    By Terence P. Jeffrey, Editor-in-Chief


    "President Barack Obama signed a law that explicitly bans federal funding of any “research in which a human embryo or embryos are destroyed, discarded, or knowingly subjected to risk of injury or death” only two days after he lifted President Bush’s executive order banning federal funding of stem cell research that requires the killing of new human embryos.

    The law banning any federal funding of research that kills or risks injury to embryos was included in the language of the $410-billion omnibus appropriation bill that President Obama signed Wednesday. Known as the Dickey-Wicker amendment, the language has been included in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services every fiscal year since 1996."

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  170. See the difference is you're searching for how the system works son,

    I have USED the system.

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  171. Damn your ODS is quite excessive tonight ain't it son?

    I guess it's about time for another balloon fantasy from ya.

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  172. CNSNews.com


    they want their propaganda to be true,

    and so do you son.

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  173. under the 1996 Dickey-Wicker Amendment it is illegal to use federal funds to support research “in which human embryos are created, destroyed,

    damn they are reaching quite far back to push that one.

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  174. but I bet it's true...

    channeling tinythe liartexan I see......

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  175. How come dolty never brings true stories with him? Stories about life in conservative Utopias?

    I know a good one-it seems that if you are a minority in Texas and get pulled over, they'll threaten to put your kids in foster care unless you agree to asset forfeiture.

    Then there's the Texas school for the disabled. The staff there would make disabled guys fight each other. Lots of laughs.

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  176. No, he's just channeling Harry Houdini, the king of diversion.

    Now you see the truth about Will and Frank.

    Now you don't.

    Or at least so he hopes.

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  177. They've been using these same tactics now for years in here. One of them gets caught in a lie, or whatever, and in comes the next one to change the topic and run interference for their friends.

    :|

    Or themselves.

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  178. Its not just a coincidence that both Frank, Will and now Volt, all want to discuss "Stem Cell" research.

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  179. Or as Lydia would say, a "coinkydink".

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  180. Its like a Rolodex of trolls.

    :|

    A Trollodex.. if you will.

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  181. Hey Frank, you ever been to Bradenton?

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  182. Even FOX "Gets It" that the Far Right Wingtard crap is FINISHED........they are starting programming for Libertarians now to test the waters.

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  183. Anyone know what time John Stewart goes on, I want to see Kramer grovel and kiss his ass.

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  184. So It looks like all the wingtard talking points are going to be geared to slime healthcare.....notice how ALL the trolls babble the same talking points like a bunch or robotic trained parrots.

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  185. Mike said...

    Anyone know what time John Stewart goes on, I want to see Kramer grovel and kiss his ass.



    He's mauling Cramer.

    This wasn't an interview. It was a crucifixion.

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  186. Jon Stewart is giving the best smack down to Jim Cramer and CNBC while being cool calm and collected,

    Cramer seems like a whiny asses titty baby and little else.

    Cramer has NO defense.

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  187. CNBC is an infomercial and little else,

    truth to the greedy

    damn this is good.

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  188. I honestly don't think I can watch anymore.

    Its brutal.

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  189. I predict Cramer will be unemployed before the close of business next Friday.

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  190. They should use the Cramer take down by Jon Stewart to show the real media how it is done,

    so they can get back to reporting REAL NEWS and stop spinning the discredited right wing talking points.

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  191. I'm not so sure Cramer will be gone, ...... but his swagger should be gone.

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  192. CNBC talking heads will be interesting to try to spin Cramer basically admitting CNBC were a complete failure.

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  193. That was like watching a train wreck.

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  194. clif said...

    I'm not so sure Cramer will be gone, ...... but his swagger should be gone.



    Yea, hard to swagger after that.

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  195. That's going to be on Youtube within the hour.

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  196. Rush has Micheal Steele's balls.

    and

    Jon Stewart has Jim Cramer's .....

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  197. AP's already running with the story Clif.

    Its on the cover of Yahoo news as a headline story.

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