Thursday, September 04, 2008

McCAIN DIVORCES HIMSELF FROM HIS OWN PARTY



From a reader on Andrew Sullivan's blog AndrewSullivan.com
Good God! I watched that video of Palin at her church through twice. The Assemblies of God are Pentecostals, of course, the real "holy rollers"--ecstatic experience of the Godhead in your own body, rolling in the aisles, talking in tongues. When I got some exposure to them, they were extremely conservative and strict (no dancing, no lipstick, no short skirts) but Palin is evidence of how they've mainstreamed themselves.

I wonder if the average reader would hear the references she makes and understand them? Master's commissions--this is a program they run to evangelize non-believers, in Alaska especially native Americans. Notice that our foreign and defense policy is simply God-given - not to be weighed, studied, deliberated, only to be implemented as we're taught by our betters. And notice that her political program - build a sports complex, a pipeline, change a tax bill, all likewise simply becomes a matter of religion.

For twenty years the most hardcore Christianists have been held in the background. Now one of them is the vice presidential nominee next to a man who's 72 and a repeated cancer survivor. This is mortifying. How could John McCain do this to our country!

McCAIN DIVORCES HIMSELF FROM BUSH-CHENEY-ROVE PARTY OF CORRUPTION

From Andew Sullivan's blog a reader writes:
Immediately after (McCain's) speech, I remarked to my wife that the tone of it was of a person looking back on a career, not beginning a new one.

Andrew Sullivan: What makes me sad is how so many young people have no idea any more what conservatism could mean if it were true to itself. (I gave it my best shot in my book, "The Conservative Soul.") But the corruption of this party is so deep - morally, ethically, philosophically - McCain can't do it.

I'm sure conservatism will one day recover - because it is right about the main issues: government needs to be kept in its place, taxes should be low and budgets balanced, individuals should be able to pursue their dreams as free of government control as possible, families do matter and need to be free from government interference, free markets and enterprise are the only guarantees of prosperity, moral choices - and their consequences - should be faced by the individual responsibly, and we have to be strong in our defense and prudent in foreign policy. This is the conservatism I still believe in. Deep down, I'm sure McCain does too. But it will only come from the ashes of this fundamentalist, mean-spirited, parochial, arrogant, big-spending, irresponsible shambles of a party. We have to repudiate the party of Rove and Abramoff and Romney and Dobson and Cheney and Bush II.

Burn it down and start over.

245 comments:

  1. So McCain isn't running as a republican or is he claiming all the people who supported George W Bush the last Four years just aren't supporting him now?

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  2. But it will only come from the ashes of this fundamentalist, mean-spirited, parochial, arrogant, big-spending, irresponsible shambles of a party. We have to repudiate the party of Rove and Abramoff and Romney and Dobson and Cheney and Bush II.

    This LOSING campaign of McCain will be the beginning of the fire which burns it down.

    This campaign is the right wings swan song, and they haven't a clue how much America wants something different then their old tired same old same old.

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  3. Unless the right wing finds something besides tired old dishonest attacks and refried meme's from the 1980's they will continue to lose.

    They are so set in their ways and so stubborn it might take a decade for them to realize TIME has passed them by.

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  4. Good points Clif.

    Oh, I love the way McCain stresses public volunteer work, organizing in your communities to help each other -- yet Palin condemned COMMUNITY ORGANIZING the night before! They are speaking out of both sides of their mouths and it's all doublespeak.

    I just can't see McCain winning a debate with Obama. 1 million people will be watching (at least.)

    And honestly, as a mother, my mind is on my children 90% of the day. I would not trust a woman who has no Constitutional Law or Foreign Policy COLLEGE education to be adept at making life and death decisions, with her mind on her 2 special needs children at home - one being her teenage daughter.

    Not only will she be distracted (as the so-called party of family values they sure don't have a good track record of putting family first) but I don't want to have to wait for her to study up on international relations! What is she going to study, the Clif Notes?

    Would you trust this person (who doesn't care about our environment!!!) and doesn't care about endangered species and doesn't understand renewable energies -- and who loves guns -- to be in charge of the free world?

    They lied by the way - she never made any "executive decisions" regarding commanding the Alaska National Guard!

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  5. Good comment about McSame's speech;

    Shorter McCain: Ignore the fact that Republicans have been in charge for the last eight years and I’ve agreed with them 90% of the time. I’m the change candidate!

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  6. If he can sell that turd to the American people .... they deserve the government he gives them

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  7. Lydia, if Sara Palin cut funding for teenage mothers and preaches frickin abstinance and opposes contraception and sex education, and her own frickin teenage daughter gets knocked up isnt that a frickin clue that this little twits policies are failures and dont work.

    I mean if we cant even trust Sara Palin's policies to protect her own daughter's welfare how the hell can we expect her frickin iognorant conservotard goon policies to protect out nations best interests.

    She frickin talked anout high School basketball and her high school sweetheart and her being a pta and soccer mom, is that the twit you want dealing with complex foreign policy?

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  8. Lydia, my girl friend is a special education coordinator for a school district and she thinks its frickin insane that a mother of 5 with a special needs child and a pregnant teenage daughter is runnin for VP.

    Whats she gonna do if mcLOSER is frickin incapacitated and Putin attacks another country or if theres another terrorist attack and her brat is frickin sick, she gonna call in sick or somethin?

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  9. Would someone with delete power go into the other thread and delete rustys mouth craps please?

    He has nothing to say just insulting people with his sissy little baby talk.

    Please delete him so the little wimp just disappears.

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  10. When they used the Barracuda song by Heart for Sarah Palin they used the wrong song for her.

    THIS is the right song ........

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  11. Sara - read Dr. Laura's column (I posted part of it on yesterda's blog) which says the same thing!

    Bart - I will have webmaster delete when he gets back.

    thanks!

    HEY - please read the new update on Palin's church and watch the video!!

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  12. Worf said....Please Lydia,please delete him,please Lydia.He makes Clif and me cry...please Lydia make him go away.Lygia I could'nt sleep last night I had a real bad dream,I'm scared of him Lydia,please protect us.Please protect us Lydia.If you do I'll buy another poster.

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  13. Rusty, if you weren't hiding behind your keyboard, maybe your baby babble would be funnier.

    Since you are hiding behind your keyboard, you're just a nuisance.

    Like jock itch, or diarrhea.

    The good news is your comments will just go away, and all your baby talk will end up in the recycle bin, for no one to see.

    Making you moot.

    Like the cowardly little runt, I know you are.

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  14. You know what is MOST damning about the Republican national convention?

    The fact they refused to name he who must not be named.

    They went to great lengths NOT to say much about that outcast of the party, even though in the last decade his name was mentioned numerous times in the national press and he could get on the MSM airwaves almost any time he wanted.


    The second most damning part of the convention was the fact they seemed to refuse to celebrate either George W Bush or Richard Cheney, even though they have lead the party the last 8 years and "won" to national elections.

    Is there something republicans are ashamed of?

    Why would the republican party show so much disdain for the current president and Vice president?

    Even the democratic party had Jimmy Carter make an appearance, and Bill Clinton got a prime time speaking slot.


    From the looks of it, the democratic party still embraces Carter and of course Clinton.

    The republican party it's CURRENT sitting president and vice president not so much.

    That is curious.

    They didn't damn him with faint praise, they damnned him with silence, which in many ways is worse.

    George W Bush and Richard Cheney he who must not be named, ... along with Tom Delay, Bill Frist, George Allen, Rick Santarum, Jack Abramoff, Donald Rumsfeld ..... it's like the GOP is trying to disown them and claim they never were behind ALL of them.

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  15. The last time a national party in a presidential convention didn't honor a sitting president was 1968, when LBJ didn't appear in Chicago, but given the goon squad mayor Daley deployed maybe LBJ had a good reason to stay away.

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  16. OH right the RNC payed the Police in Minnesota 10,000,000 for insurance in case their GOON SQUAD got in trouble for constitutional violations, like arresting members of the press, excessive force, and illegal arrest.

    Typical right wing attempt at creating a fascist state.

    They had it for about a week in parts of Minneapolis ....

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  17. August’s unemployment rate increased past what it was initially forecast, rising to 6.1%.

    But even more scathing is the fact that the misery index—unemployment aggregated with inflation—also soared to its the highest level since 1991, when George H. W. Bush was in office.

    Any foole named Bush in power is NOT good for YOUR bottom line it seems.

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  18. Time for a reality check;

    You know things are really going awfully wrong in the global economy when Wall Street plunges like a mob made-man with cement feet in the East River, and then that still is not the no.1 story of the day in the global economy (and global it is, alright; decouple my derrière).

    For that matter, the news on the wrecked US economy doesn’t even make it to second place. Or third. Even with job figures black and blue and bleak all over, with yet another record high set in foreclosure numbers, with financial stocks being hammered, and downgraded to bathroom tissue, there are other stories that are more important today.

    In third place, we find the fallen empire of Albion. Automobile sales these days are on par with those in 1966, when the majority of Britons didn’t even own a car. And it’s not just sales: don’t forget that Britain’s auto manufacturing industry is a major employer.

    Or rather, make that "was". Millions in England now face negative equity in their homes, and prices are nowhere near a low. The Bank of England is under pressure to set up another "emergency" liquidity lending window for the City banks, but even if it does, what will it look like?

    With most UK banks deeply indebted to the ECB as well, and government finances in a black hole, the BoE’s hands are tied. Which is certain to bankrupt at least a handful of the banks. The days when Britain could afford a Northern Rock bail-out are over.

    Moving on to second place, for the silver medal. It goes to the global economy itself. Besides the long-term life support cases, the US and UK, this is the moment that dozens of other countries in the world can no longer hide their very painful hemorraging.

    When China’s central bank runs out of money, it’s time to pay attention. It won’t sink yet, but it will have to raise additional capital. Problem is, so will everybody else, from central banks through commercial and investment banks to industries in every sector in every country of the economy.

    Not only does that competition make it much harder and more expensive to raise capital, to add grave insult to grave injury, it happens at a point in time when available capital and credit are shrinking. And none too slowly either. There are parties out there who need to roll-over long term or short-term debt, and who won’t succeed in doing it. Simple as that. End of story.

    In Korea, Thailand, Japan, and undoubtedly the rest of Asia, the -bad, bad, bad!- financial news is closely tied to politics. There is very little patience with politicians who lead their people into poverty. Take note, Gordon Brown.

    And if you take a look at the economies, especially the stock exchanges, in the BRIC quartet of Brazil, Russia, India and China, you will see huge losses. Which lead increasingly to social upheaval. Which in turn will be one of the main news stories for the years to come, and not just in these far-away lands: it will soon come to a street near you. Count on it.

    That said, let’s go to number one, our hands-down gold medal winner for today’s News Story of the Day. Any idea? Been paying attention?

    Our No.1 is the Unwinding of the Yen Carry Trade.

    Yes, that may come as a bit of a surprise to you, it’s a mostly unknown competitor after all, which is no doubt largely due to its shyness. Allow me to explain.

    The Bank of Japan has for years kept its key interest rate close to zero percent. It’s still at 0.5%. The result has been that everyone with substantial assets and investments to manage, has borrowed yen at the close to zero rate, and invested the money in other countries with -often much- higher interest rates.

    That is what you call free money. This has been going on for more than ten years. And this is in all likelihood the prime reason for the entire global asset and credit bubble, the one that is now joining its maker.

    A good example: through the past decade, plenty of stories have been told of real estate in countries like Latvia and Hungary that was financed through mortgages denominated in yen.

    But the yen carry trade fairy tale is now grinding to a halt. That means that for all of the major players in the world finance system, their no.1 source of cheap credit is gone, and precisely at a time when they need it most. The world's central bankers have tried for the past two years to prolong and revive it, but all attempts have failed; and this time it's for good.

    What makes this much more hurtful than you might think at first glance is that the borrowed yen were not just invested, they were used to leverage investment gambles 10, 20, 60 times. Which inevitably leads to the fact that if the yen appreciates 10 or 20% (or G-d forbid more) against the US dollar or the Euro, the game is over.

    And that is what’s happening: the yen gains vs other world currencies. And all the players have to leave the casino, if only because they fear that the Bank of Japan will raise interest rates to, for instance, 2%. That is still very low, you’d say, but then you realize that interest rates due on borrowed yen would go up 300% if it happened.

    It may seem a bit counterintuitive, but what unwinds the trade is the perception that the yen is safe to invest in. It starts to make sense once you realize that the 0.5% interest rate has kept the yen -artificially- very low and undervalued. And of course, as demand for the yen goes up, so does the currency itself. Supply and demand.

    The total amount of outstanding derivatives in the world economy has reached a guesstimated $800 trillion, about 15-20 times the annual world GDP. Much of it has been financed through the yen carry trade. That is why this is the No.1 financial news story of the day. To top that, the Dow Jones would have to lose 20% in one day.

    Trust me this once: It’s time to check your levees.


    Yen Rises Against Euro, Dollar as Carry Trade Unwinds on Deepening Recession Concerns

    The yen climbed to the highest in more than a year against the euro on concern the credit-market slump will lead the world into a recession, prompting investors to sell higher-yielding assets funded in Japan.

    Jobs Figures Hurt All Over

    August's dismal employment numbers signal a bleak economic outlook.

    On Friday, the U.S. Labor Department reported an unemployment rate that floated up to 6.1%, as nonagricultural employers slashed yet another 84,000 jobs. The figure marks the highest jobless rate in five years, following eight consecutive months of cuts. Pink slips were being handed out across industries and sectors.

    "The most important detail is the substantial increase in the unemployment rate over a six-month period, which was the largest in 25 years," said Carl Riccadonna, senior U.S. economist at Deutsche Bank, "and such a stark backdrop is not the stuff of a solid economy or a Fed that will raise rates."


    Record 1.2 million US homes hit by foreclosure

    Loans in foreclosure have doubled over the past year, while delinquency rates continue to soar. A record 1.249 million homes were in foreclosure during the second quarter of 2008, according to a report released Friday by the Mortgage Bankers Association.

    And new foreclosure proceedings were started on about 490,000 of the 45 million home mortgages serviced by MBA members. That's up 9% from the 448,000 starts recorded in the previous quarter. Mortgage delinquencies continued their grim rise during the three months ended June 30, with 2.9 million homeowners falling behind on their loan payments, apart from those already in foreclosure.


    Dow To Extend Drop Below 20%

    The bear is back. He’d been gone for a while - at least a month - but the bear is back, and the victims of his attacks have littered the Street this week. With Thursday’s drop of 345 points, the Dow Jones Industrial Average once again tumbled 20% below the October highs at just over 14,000 points.

    It initially crept into the bear’s cave in early July (most research would regard a 20% decline from the top as the definition of a bear, though there is always some well-schooled equivocation about the details, such as length of time spent scarpering below the 20% level). It reached its nadir July 15 at a 22% decline, then effectively emerged from the bear cave - seemingly for good - in the waning days of July.

    From the July 15 trough through the rebound that reached its apex Aug. 11, the Dow added nearly 8%, but since then - including the two straight dispiriting losses Wednesday and Thursday of this week - the industrial average relinquished 5%, and sank back so it was more than 20% off the October record.



    Detroit bailout may be around the corner


    Plunging auto sales, high gas prices and election year politics could help convince Congress to approve a $50 billion loan package to embattled U.S. automakers that Detroit's Big Three claim is key to their future success.

    On Wednesday, General Motors, Ford Motor and Chrysler LLC reported monthly sales declines of at least 20% from a year ago, as American car buyers continued to turn away from SUVs and pickups and towards more fuel efficient car models. The Big Three are now in the process of closing truck assembly lines and rushing to catch up with hybrid and other fuel efficient offerings from Toyota Motor and Honda Motor.

    But with GM and Ford saddled with junk bond debt ratings and privately-held Chrysler with the thinnest capital cushion of the three, Detroit is caught in a credit squeeze that will make such investment difficult if not impossible.
    "Funding such a shift is a tough lift even under optimum circumstances," said GM spokesman Greg Martin. "The credit markets are suffering. You had this seismic inversion of the market where no one wants to buy a full-size truck."


    Greenspan: Fed isn’t a ‘magical piggy bank’

    Troubled by the Bear Stearns debacle, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan is advocating a new way of dealing with government bailouts of companies whose sudden collapse could wreak havoc on the country's economic and financial stability.

    Greenspan says Congress needs to give the government new powers to handle troubled companies to minimize any potential losses to American taxpayers. A self-described libertarian Republican, Greenspan has a reputation for being wary of giving the government extra powers. However, in crisis situations, there needs to be a clear process for handling bailouts, rather than depending on the Fed to do so, he reckons.



    China’s Central Bank Is in Need of Capital


    China’s central bank is in a bind. It has been on a buying binge in the United States over the last seven years, snapping up roughly $1 trillion worth of Treasury bonds and mortgage-backed debt issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

    Those investments have been declining sharply in value when converted from dollars into the strong yuan, casting a spotlight on the central bank’s tiny capital base. The bank’s capital, just $3.2 billion, has not grown during the buying spree, despite private warnings from the International Monetary Fund.

    Now the central bank needs an infusion of capital. Central banks can, of course, print more money, but that would stoke inflation. Instead, the People’s Bank of China has begun discussions with the finance ministry on ways to shore up its capital, said three people familiar with the discussions who insisted on anonymity because the subject is delicate in China.


    Brazil, Russia, India and China Bubble On Verge Of Collapse

    After a dizzying expansion, the BRIC bubble appears ready to burst. Share prices in Brazil, Russia, India and China -- the so-called BRICs -- have been declining sharply because of the global credit crunch and military tensions, likely forcing Japanese retail investors to change their investment strategies.

    In the past year, the Shanghai A-Share index has plunged 60%, India's Sensex index 33%, Russia's RTS index 32% and Brazil's Bovespa Index 25%. These falls were triggered by the global credit crunch that stems from the subprime loan problem in the U.S. Investment funds that have suffered losses have been withdrawing their money from these emerging economies.

    These nations also face the risk of inflation due to high growth, abundance of money flows and higher prices of natural resources. As a result, their central banks have tightened their monetary policies, spurring a decline in asset prices. However, there are greater issues than these economic problems. The BRICs now face increasing country risks that existed long before their recent economic ascendency.



    If you don't think the above is a problem go ahead and vote for John McSame and his clueless sidekick who want to continue the policies of the Bush Administration, and has Whiner Phil to tell us all to suck it up as the crash rolls on .... but if you see any real problems above maybe just maybe you want REAL change and not the latest RNC gimmick.

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  19. Screech away crusty, it won't change the fact the world economy is going down faster then Monica did on the Clenis, and the right wing economic mantra of Reagan, Friedman and Gramm Et Al, is one of the main causes of it.

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  20. BTW if the Chinese central bank is runnin' short on cash, where's Georgie gonna borrow the money fur his illegal immoral war?

    Cause we all know the right wingers ain't gonna fight in it OR pay for it.

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  21. Both sides, Lydia, have idiotic ministers/men of God to deal with. And, besides, is pissing on another person's religion the way we want to be going here? I mean, come on, tell me one religion that ISN'T laced with absurdity.

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  23. Now let's see him divorce himself from the much-ballyhooed "benefits" of "abstinence-only" education.

    We've got some real clear results of that kind of cirruculum. We do this not to belittle, but to illustrate why the wingtards are so WRONG.

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  24. You know, while all you republican trolls, ... and you are, trolls, ... while you're all busy running your mouths and talking as if you actually knew something, perhaps one of you could explain to us, why last night, President Bush, President Bush Sr, Dick Cheney, NO ONE attended McCains speech.

    :|

    And while you geniuses are explaining that one (for our comedy archives) perhaps you could also explain why Bush or Cheney wasn't even MENTIONED ONCE.

    You know Bush and Cheney, right?

    They're the two clowns you guys have spent the last 4 years in here praising and defending.

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  25. Please explain why the President and Vice President you geniuses have been praising for the last 4 years WASN'T EVEN AT YOUR CANDIDATES CONVENTION SPEECH.

    :D

    Please explain that, before opening your big fat mouths again, on anything.

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  26. Bartlebee, I'm not a Republican and haven't voted for a Republican for President since 1988 (Bush 1). Jolly Roger, I don't support "abstinence only" sex-education and I have serious differences with Governor Palin on the social issues. I just think that it's wrong to blast another person's religion. If in fact a person's religion unduly influences their public policy, we should probably stick to the policy component. My opinion.

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  27. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    Bartlebee, I'm not a Republican and haven't voted for a Republican for President since 1988 (Bush 1).


    So why are you responding then?

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  28. Thought you might be lumping me in.

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  29. Now why would you think that?

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  30. As far as blasting her religion, no one would be blasting it if it kept its meddling greasy fingers out of our government.

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  31. F#$@king Ashcroft.

    There was another "Assembly of God" nutjob.

    You guys remember him, right?

    He's the chucklehead who covered the Statue of Blind Justice with a sheet because he thought it was pornographic.

    :|

    Bunch of f#$king nuts.

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  32. As far as blasting her religion, no one would be blasting it if it kept its meddling greasy fingers out of our government.

    Bingo. Her trying to shove her Jesusistan Dominionist dogmas off on me is why I will continue to knock her.

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  33. Hey JR,

    You do KNOW that those photos are NOT Bristol Palin right?

    And yes you do do this to be snarky and even slanderous.

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  34. Rachel Maddow is callin' Palin out by saying;

    get this;

    She's LYING .......

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  35. I guess the Mccain don't mind she is being called a LIAR by the MSM.

    Eh Dolt?

    and son ya can't cry sexism,

    Cause maddow ain't being sexist but requesting the truth.

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  36. "Bingo. Her trying to shove her Jesusistan Dominionist dogmas off on me is why I will continue to knock her."

    I must have missed the part where I was supposed to convert my religion...

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  37. No ya didn't DOLT you missed the part where you get to shove your delusional beliefs down OUR throats.

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  38. "Cause maddow ain't being sexist but requesting the truth."

    When did leveling an unfounded accusation become a request for truth?

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  39. Cause ya don't son.

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  40. Sorry, silly me. You guys do it every day.

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  41. Yo dolt Rachel Maddow referenced the LIES son,

    the bridge to nowhere lie,

    the sell the plane on ebay lie,

    she didn't make wild accusations BUT stated falsehoods St Sarah of Wasilla told the American people.

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  42. No stupid we don't try to legislate OUR individual beliefs like you right wing clowns do.

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  43. Like I said keep hiding that fraud and she is gonna be exposed as the right wing fraud she is anyway.

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  44. "No ya didn't DOLT you missed the part where you get to shove your delusional beliefs down OUR throats."

    Gee, so someone talking about their beliefs is shoving it down your throat?

    I didn't realize that you guys were so insecure in your beliefs or so weak minded.
    (I'm lying there, actually I did know that...)

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  45. She's NOT what you clowns say she is, and the truth is already leaking out all over the place.

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  46. I'm not insecure UT don't like some right wing HYPOCRITE who claims the right to legislate their beliefs INTO law to force the rest of us to agree, if you don't want to do something don't do it, BUT don't keep the rest of us from doing it because you claim your ancient OLD testament beliefs say that is so.

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  47. Because your OLD testament beliefs ain't what Jesus preached.

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  48. Sorry dolt, but you cannot lie your way around them.

    As far as slanderous, nope. Merely pointing out the truth is far from slandeorus. But you and the rest of the deniers keep right on bleating the baas the RNC and Hannity teach you.

    Wait till you see the stuff we've got on your heroine's racism.

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  49. I haven't read up on the bridge deal Cliffy, but I KNOW your second "lie" is bullshit.

    If you actually WATCHED the speech she said "I PUT it on ebay." (which she DID do) She NEVER said "sold it"...

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  50. Even if ya claim Jesus was a god of war and Iraq is GODS war.

    Like Sarah Palin has done.

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  51. No numbnuts today McCain said she SOLD it on ebay ... can't even jeep the two of then on the same sheet of lies eh?

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  52. Even if ya claim Jesus was a god of war and Iraq is GODS war.

    Like Sarah Palin has done.


    Take it easy on dolty, clif. He probably found out that Palin's husband's business partner couldn't get his divorce records sealed, damn all...

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  53. JR I'm going from her speech, but I won't tell the blog right wing dunce which speech.

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  54. I'm hearing tonight that even more photos are coming. Dolty might want to ice pick his eyes out, while there's time...

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  55. "The “Sarah Palin’s Drunken Daughter” e-mail - which began making the rounds yesterday morning - quickly ended up in thousands of e-mail inboxes across the state, including e-mail addresses at the South Carolina Department of Education, Department of Mental Healthm Midlands Technical College, the City of Columbia and Blue Cross Blue Shield of South Carolina.

    One Blue Cross Blue Shield employee, who forwarded the message to at least a dozen of her co-workers, referred to Palin’s daughter as a “drunk heifer,” and a “lil’ loose.”

    Within hours, the e-mails were being forwarded to individuals and businesses all over the state.

    FITSNews has confirmed that the five pictures attached to the original e-mail (included below) are not, in fact, images of Bristol Palin, and we have sent an e-mail to the alleged author of that e-mail requesting additional information regarding the contents of her widely-read missive.

    Obviously, it’s one thing to spread trashy, misleading e-mails about a vice-presidential candidate, but an underage minor? On a state-owned computer? During taxpayer business hours?"


    Article

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  56. Duncetron linking to a right wing UNFAIR and UNbalanced pseudo faux noise site, who'd a thunk it?

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  57. Sorry, dolty, but FITSnews is the same as Reconstitution-a blog. Do play again though.

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  58. Duncetron linking to a right wing UNFAIR and UNbalanced pseudo faux noise site, who'd a thunk it?

    You knew that was what was coming.

    If the National Enquirer hadn't told Johnny they were going to break the story of Bristol's pregnancy, dolty would be insisting that THAT wasn't true, either.

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  59. Voltron said...

    blah blah blah, blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah.


    Yea whatever dizzy dan, just tell me this.

    WHY, on the night of the RNC's BIG NIGHT, with a SITTING REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, was that President NO WHERE TO BE SEEN OR HEARD???

    And WHY, was the VICE PRESIDENT NO WHERE TO BE SEEN OR HEARD???

    And why was NEITHER OF THEM MENTIONED???

    Answer that one big mouth, THEN you can talk.

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  60. Doesn't really matter does it?

    Like I said before, you people just love to tear others down, the good Christians that ya are...

    And when you're finally proven wrong there will be no apology, no retraction. You'll have already done the damage and that's all that matters to you.

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  61. Yo duncetron it ain't gonna get better then this;

    Why the media should apologize

    On behalf of the media, I would like to say we are sorry.

    On behalf of the elite media, I would like to say we are very sorry.

    We have asked questions this week that we should never have asked.

    We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

    We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?

    Bad questions. Bad media. Bad.

    It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn’t be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols.

    Sarah Palin hit the nail on the head Wednesday night (and several in the audience wish she had hit some reporters on the head instead) when she said: “I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.”

    But where did we go wrong with Sarah Palin? Let me count the ways:

    First, we should have stuck to the warm, human interest stuff like how she likes mooseburgers and hit an important free throw at her high school basketball tournament even though she had a stress fracture.

    Second, we should have stuck to the press release stuff like how she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (after she supported it).

    Third, we should never have strayed into the other stuff. Like when The Washington Post recently wrote: “Palin is under investigation by a bipartisan state legislative body. … Palin had promised to cooperate with the legislative inquiry, but this week she hired a lawyer to fight to move the case to the jurisdiction of the state personnel board, which Palin appoints.”

    Why go there? What trees does that plant?

    Fourth, we should stop making with all the questions already. She gave a really good speech. And why go beyond that? As we all know, speeches cannot be written by others and rehearsed for days. They are true windows to the soul.

    Unless they are delivered by Barack Obama, that is. In which case, as Palin said Wednesday, speeches are just a “cloud of rhetoric.”

    Fifth, we should stop reporting on the families of the candidates. Unless the candidates want us to.

    Sarah Palin wanted the media to report on her teenage son, Track, who enlisted in the Army on Sept. 11, 2007, and soon will deploy to Iraq.

    Sarah Palin did not want the media to report on her teenage daughter, Bristol, who is pregnant and unmarried.

    Sarah Palin thinks that one is good for her campaign and one is not, and that the media should report only on what is good for her campaign. That is our job, and that is our duty. If that is not actually in the Constitution, it should be. (And someday may be.)

    The official theme of the convention’s third day was “prosperity,” but the unofficial theme was “the media are really, really awful.”

    Even Mike Huckabee, who campaigned for president this year by saying “I am a conservative, but I am not mad at anybody,” discovered Wednesday night that he is mad at somebody.

    “I’d like to thank the elite media for doing something,” Huckabee said, “that, quite frankly, I didn’t think could be done: unify the Republican Party and all of America in support of John McCain and Sarah Palin.”

    And could that be the real point of the attacks on the media? To unify the Republican Party?

    No, that is simply the cynical, media view.

    Though as Lily Tomlin says, “No matter how cynical I get, it’s just never enough to keep up.”

    I couldn’t resist that. For which I am sorry.


    but worse MUCH worse.

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  62. dolty is too busy trying to deny Palin articles at the moment to deny McCain articles. Give him a little bit of time to go get his opinions, and he'll be back.

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  63. Because Barty, your "reich wing media" has done such a good job of tearing them down.

    BTW, don't step in that "tingle" that ran down Chris Matthews leg when he was watching Obama...

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  64. Doesn't really matter does it?

    Like I said before, you people just love to tear others down, the good Christians that ya are...

    And when you're finally proven wrong there will be no apology, no retraction. You'll have already done the damage and that's all that matters to you.


    I've got nothing to apologize for, because I've not promoted any falsehoods, unlike you and your heroes.

    And I defy you to show me where I EVER said I was a Christian. That tactic-responding to what you wish I had said, rather than what I did say-is right out of the Rove playbook, and it won't fly.

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  65. I'm serious JR.

    We've been in here "debating" these chuckleheads for 4 years now, with them either praising or defending Bush for FOUR F#%#KING YEARS.

    Now, on their BIG night, THEIR candidates BIG SPEECH, at the RNC Convention, WHY is THEIR PRESIDENT NO WHERE TO BE FOUND???

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  66. Yeah, the media tore them down. It didn't have a damn thing to do with their domestic, foreign, or economic policies. It was also the media that painted anybody who wasn't a white Evangelical as some kind of Satanic handmaiden.

    Dog-damned librul media!

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  67. Duncetron will never find a single post BY me claiming I am a christain either, but like crusty he likes to post LIES about other people.

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  68. Lame Cliffy, lame.

    I already read that one.

    And you accuse ME of linking to a partisan site?

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  69. And why is their VICE PRESIDENT, NO WHERE TO BE FOUND?

    Or how about their PREVIOUS President? Bush Senior? Where the hell was he???

    And why were their names NOT EVEN SPOKEN????

    Let the right wing TROLLS here answer that one for a change.

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  70. Thats right Volt.

    You cower over their in your right wing hole and dodge the question.

    Because you KNOW why.


    Because you guys SUCK.

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  71. I don't know if that's true or not Clif, but I do know I don't care to spend the time looking.

    I DO know you defend that particular brand of Christianity.

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  72. The politico ain't a partisan site they have both right wing and some moderate people working there,

    Oh right anybody to the left of you is a partisan, and YOU claim to be to the right of Rush Limpballs.

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  73. "You cower over their in your right wing hole and dodge the question."

    Why don't you keep dodging the answer. Clif and JR caught it.

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  74. I DO know you defend that particular brand of Christianity.

    Which particular branch duncetron?

    Which branch?

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  75. Duncetron how long before st Johnny of Hanoi blows his top answering questions about why st Sarah of Wasilla won't answer questions?

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  76. WHAT ANSWER VOLT???

    THIS PILE OF SHIT, that its the MEDIAS fault?

    Voltron said...

    Because Barty, your "reich wing media" has done such a good job of tearing them down.


    Sorry asswipe, I asked you a question, and inbred backwash doesn't cut it.

    WHY WEREN'T THEY THERE ASSHOLE?

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  77. Last time I checked nimrod, the RNC decides who speaks at the RNC convention.

    So try again shithead.

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  78. And I answered it "ASSHOLE"...

    Just because you don't LIKE the answer doesn't mean it ain't true.

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  79. You know where St Sarah of Wasilla denigrated being a community organizer, maybe she doesn't like then because;

    Rosa Parks was a community organizer,

    Martin Luther King was a community organizer,

    The people who ran the underground railroad were community organizers,

    The people who lead the fight against Jim Crow were community organizers,

    In many southern small town community organizers had to stand up to the KKK since members of it were on the city council, some even mayors,

    Some even got elected governor, and community organizers all over the state had to resist their use of the entire government in Jim Crow laws to discriminate against people,

    Hey I think I see why St Sarah of Wasilla don't like community organizers too much.

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  80. Christ, do I have to spell it out for you "intellectuals" again?

    YES! They're tainted. Poison. BECAUSE of the damage the MEDIA has done and you damn well know it.

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  81. Just for once in the four F$#KING years I've known you, just for ONCE would you stand up and act like a f%T#AKING man???

    Just say the truth you pathetic lying worm. Just ONCE in your pathetic f$##$ING troll career, just ONCE, speak the damned truth.

    He wasn't there, because HIM, and his adminstration, F#@$ED EVERYTHING THEY TOUCHED.

    And now, SHAMED by them, you are banking on the stupidity of the inbreds in this country, dumb enough to disassociate this asshole from the last one.

    Just for once you fu$#KING WIMP, say the F$#KING truth.

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  82. What's tainted duncetron?

    St Sarah's lies?

    Her pick by st Johnny of Hanoi?

    What's tainted duncetron?

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  83. Bush is tainted because of the media, and NOT what Bush did?

    Damn you much farther gone then I thought duncetron.

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  84. Yes Cliffy,

    Obama was a community organizer for ACORN, who has been sued many times for registering to vote FALSE IDENTITIES, FELONS, DEAD PEOPLE AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

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  85. Cheney is thought of being an asshole because the media Reported he shot a man in the face, and NOT the fact he shot a man in the face and tried to cover it up?

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  86. Well well well Duncetron wants us to believe Barack Obama did all those thing he claims people did.

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  87. Yea, thats I thought boy.

    I knew you were a puss, a lying puss, but now I know what worthless piece of shit you are volt. SHIT.

    Dogshit. I wipe crap like you off my feet before entering the house.

    The MEDIA doesn't decide the RNC agenda, you do.

    And the MEDIA doesn't decide what the PRESIDENT DOES, the PRESIDENT DOES.

    The MEDIA didn't lie about Irag, spy on the American people, or ruin this economy.

    THE idiot maggots like you elected did, and now, too stupid to care and too weak to man up to it, you sit here like the pussy you are, and blame it on the media.

    You're a worm. A belly crawling worm.

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  88. Bush wasn't the BEST president we've ever had, he wasn't the worst. Maybe even the poor side of average.

    But he wasn't the devil your side with the media's help have made him out to be.

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  89. Sorry guys, but I'm sick of dirtbags like this.

    He doesn't even have the balls to say, YES, BUSH made a MESS of EVERYTHING HE TOUCHED, so yes, we were ashamed to have him there.

    Instead he acts like a little girl, and blames it on the media.

    What a pussy. What a class a inbred pussy.

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  90. Looks like Duncetron is getting desperate with that allegation, because the NATIONAL MEDIA won't roll over and plat dead for St Johnny and cover up St Sarah's lies.

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  91. he wasn't the worst.

    Bhahwhahwhawawhahwhaaaa

    Your getting more and more delusional as you get more and more desperate son.

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  92. But he wasn't the devil your side with the media's help have made him out to be.

    No son he was the "devil's" frontman.

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  93. Well I'm gonna go get dinner. If you guys are around later I'll drop by.

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  94. Rosa Parks was a community organizer,

    Martin Luther King was a community organizer,

    The people who ran the underground railroad were community organizers,

    The people who lead the fight against Jim Crow were community organizers,

    In many southern small town community organizers had to stand up to the KKK since members of it were on the city council, some even mayors,

    Some even got elected governor, and community organizers all over the state had to resist their use of the entire government in Jim Crow laws to discriminate against people,

    Hey I think I see why St Sarah of Wasilla don't like community organizers too much.


    Klanservatives, as I recall, like to encase community organizers in dams. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this one.

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  95. Remember the devil always works from the shadows and gets others to do his dirty work.

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  96. Voltron said...

    Bush wasn't the BEST president we've ever had, he wasn't the worst. Maybe even the poor side of average.


    No asshole, he was the WORST.

    Everyone but inbreds like you who spend their time defending him, knows it.

    THE WORST.

    WORST.

    W
    O
    R
    S
    T

    WORST!!!

    WORST EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER.

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  97. Duncetron couldn't keep up so he's a cuttin' and runnin"

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  98. A SITTING RNC PRESIDENT, not even invited to the RNC Candidates speech!

    His NAME NOT EVEN SPOKEN!

    And you blame it on the media.

    You're no man.

    you're just a bootlicking worm.

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  99. "He doesn't even have the balls to say, YES, BUSH made a MESS of EVERYTHING HE TOUCHED, so yes, we were ashamed to have him there."

    IF I thought he had I'd admit it Barty.

    And I think they SHOULD have had Bush and Cheney there. Believe it or not they're still popular with the base. It pisses me off that the RNC cowtows to your sides crap.

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  100. A Lying Dirtbag said...

    Believe it or not they're still popular with the base.

    Yea.

    All 23 of you.

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  101. bart it's gonna get worse, because the media is warming up and hasn't even started asking WHY St Sarah won't answer questions.

    People like Volt will get more and more unhinged in their attempt to deflect or defend their losing slate

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  102. It pisses me off that the RNC cowtows to your sides crap.

    Bart duncetron just said WE run the RNC .....they follow our demands.

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  103. And its not the RNC who makes all the calls nimrod.

    MCCAINS camp makes the ultimate decisions on who'll they'll invite.

    Just like Obama's camp, and all candidates camps do.

    And MCCAIN didn't want Bush there. Neither did his people.

    So while maybe morons like you who like a bankrupt economy and the enmity of the entire world might want four more years of this bullshit, the rest of us have had enough.

    You like living under a totalitarian regime? Fine bitch. Then get your inbred hillbilly ugly fu$#ing ass to Russia, or China, where fu$#kers like you are comfortable.

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  104. But I don't remember saying Don't have Bush or Cheney there, do you?

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  105. Clif that last comment was for idiot boy, not you.

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  106. No Clif, you run the media which tries to shape public opinion. And that flawed perception of public opinion is what runs the RNC.

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  107. Bart I understood that, I'm not a kool aid addled troll clinging to 30 year old political spin.

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  108. I'm just tired of them Clif. Tired of their lies. Tired of stupid answers like this lying inbred truck driver just gave, blaming Bush not being at the convetion on the MEDIA.

    What a laugh. What wimpyness. NEVER able to man up, and just take accountability for once.

    Instead, he, like all republicans, blame it on the media.

    Its the medias fault volt.

    THEY decide what you guys do.

    Yea, better call Tucker Carlson and ask him if you can wipe your ass, huh?

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  109. Dinner time.

    Later.

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  110. No Clif, you run the media which tries to shape public opinion.

    I run the media;

    ME

    Why wasn't I told about this?

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  111. Its not just the RNC.

    MCCAIN decides who he'll speak with.

    And he didn't invite BUSH.

    Did he?

    He didn't invite CHENEY.

    And what about his speech?

    The MEDIA controls McCains words too?

    If not, then why didn't he mention Bush ONCE?

    Huh pussbag?

    Keep digging your whole shithead, its all you're good for anyway,digging ditches.

    A mind like yours is a good thing to waste.

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  112. Damn bart I guess I have to go find out why I run the media if I never knew it, did you know I run the media?

    How does duncetron know I run the media if I didn't know I run the media?

    Why didn't somebody tell me?

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  113. Dimtron said...
    Dinner time.

    Later.



    Mom called huh?

    Ok, shithead, go eat your ketchup covered bullshit. Enjoy.

    Just try to not vomit it back up in here again.

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  114. Bart, How do I run the media?

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  115. clif said...


    How does duncetron know I run the media if I didn't know I run the media?

    Why didn't somebody tell me?


    Thats right Clif. You need to run a story too, and tell the RNC that the elections been moved to December.

    :|

    Since you control them and all.

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  116. Maybe I am the reason St Sarah won't talk to the media, do you think so?

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  117. clif said...
    Bart, How do I run the media?




    Well, since you apparently, according to Dimtron there, kept Bush from talking for a change, I'd say you run it rather well.

    :|

    Wouldn't you?

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  118. Why doesn't St Sarah like me?

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  119. Darn.

    :|

    I forgot to ask him how the trucking business was doing these days.

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  120. Damn if I knew I ran the media I'd a made sure he didn't invade Iraq, after all he didn't know what he was doing.

    Does the media know I run the media?

    They never call me.

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  121. Or is this I run the media such a secret conspiracy that even I couldn't be told about it?

    After all they obviously told duncetron.

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  122. They're snooty that way I hear.

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  123. Too snooty for US but they talk to Duncetron, these media are a strange sort of people.

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  124. 4 years we've been debating this rube about his Bushy. And then, on their big night, he's done such a bad job that they can't even mention his name.

    Not only do they not invite him, they never even mention him.

    And this loser blames it on the media.

    Thats the sure sign of a loser.

    They never take responsibility for anything.

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  125. Their own president.

    Not even invited to their own convention.

    His name, not even uttered.

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  126. I can see McCain like Ramses in the 10 Commandments...

    "Let the name Bush be stricken from every statue, oblisk, and building in Washington...."

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  127. BARTLEBEE said...
    I'm just tired of them Clif. Tired of their lies. Tired of stupid answers like this lying inbred truck driver just gave, blaming Bush not being at the convetion on the MEDIA...................."


    This frickin elitist shithead is a lowly truck driver, you gotta be frickin shittin me?

    He acts like he's a frickin PHD rocket scientist or college professor, this frickin ignorant goon is mockin my education, did he even go to college?

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  128. The frickin media is like finally actually doing their job, anyone catch John Stewart last night, he mopped the floor with those conserotard goons.

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  129. Yea Sara, he's a truck driver alright.

    Not even a big truck. Just a straight van as we used to call them.

    Hell, you should see his picture.

    :|

    Like the north bound side of a south bound mule.

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  130. Your making alot of frickin sense tonight Bartlebee, you gotta be strong with these frickin LOSERS, they dont deserve any mercy for their crimes.

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  131. I'm just saying, I'm tired of bold faced lies.

    I mean its one thing to offer an "opposing view".


    But to just outright lie, blaming it on the media why Bush wasn't at his own parties convention, is just too much.

    If his boss, who owns this trucking company wants four more years of this sh$t, four more years of 5 dollar a gallon deisel, a crashing stock market and a bankrupt mortgage industry, then they deserve it.

    But the rest of us don't.

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  132. bart you got to understand Duncetron crusty and freedum fraud had each other convinced St Sarah of Wasilla was gonna save them all,

    THEN St Johnny spoke and broke the spell.

    It sucks to have a right wing kool aid induced high like that be broken by reality so quickly.

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  133. BARTLEBEE said...
    I'm just saying, I'm tired of bold faced lies.

    I mean its one thing to offer an "opposing view".


    But to just outright lie, blaming it on the media why Bush wasn't at his own parties convention, is just too much."


    Hell yeah, I dont suffer fools either, the frickin media is finally starting to do their job, its about frickin time.

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  134. Palin is corrupt. She took the money for the bridge to nowhere, THEN voted against it.

    And she never returned the money.

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  135. bart she took a "city" of 6,700, with a $6 millon dollar budget, GOT $27 million in earmarks and still ended up $20 million in long-term debt,” or roughly $3,000 of debt per resident, with ONLY 53 employees.

    she is worse then bush in that regard.

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  136. Leave it to the republicans to pick another idiot just because she looks good in a skirt.

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  137. If to the repubies if bush was who you wanted to have a beer with and hang out,

    St Sarah is the person you want to have lots of beer with then take home.

    Yes they are THAT dumb in reality.

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  138. You are 100 percent right there Clif.

    This quote just in from Donnie Deutsch;




    I want her laying next to me in bed.

    That’s the way people vote.

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  139. I'll say it again, if Sara Palin cut funding for teenage mothers and preaches frickin abstinance and opposes contraception and sex education, and her own frickin teenage daughter gets knocked up isnt that a frickin clue that this little twits policies are failures and dont work.

    I mean if we cant even trust Sara Palin's policies to protect her own daughter's welfare how the hell can we expect her frickin iognorant conservotard goon policies to protect out nations best interests.

    She frickin talked about high School basketball and her high school sweetheart and her being a pta and soccer mom, is that the twit you want dealing with complex foreign policy?

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  140. And this.

    the “new creation” of the “feminist ideal” yesterday on CNBC’s Squawk on the Street. “Women want to be her, men want to mate with her. It’s as simple as that”

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  141. Her policies are frickin failures.

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  142. clif said...
    bart she took a "city" of 6,700, with a $6 millon dollar budget, GOT $27 million in earmarks and still ended up $20 million in long-term debt,” or roughly $3,000 of debt per resident, with ONLY 53 employees.

    she is worse then bush in that regard............."


    Clif is that frickin true, i thought that hole in the wall town was like 8000, not that it makes much frickin difference.

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  143. BARTLEBEE said...
    And this.

    the “new creation” of the “feminist ideal” yesterday on CNBC’s Squawk on the Street. “Women want to be her, men want to mate with her. It’s as simple as that”..............."


    Watch it Barty, your frickin makin me nauseous.

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  144. Those are the basic facts about her mis management of the small town, before she moved to the governors office and misused her powers.

    God help us if she ever finds Cheney's undisclosed location, she'll nuke the planet ......

    Oh right that rapture thingie ......

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  145. Allright, dont take offense here guys, but I gotta frickin ask, you find those frickin nasty skanks attractive?

    Sara Palin looks like a frickin cross between barbie and some inbred religious goon from Fargo ND, and Cindy McLOSER looks like Rudy frickin Gooniani had a sex change.

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  146. Cindy Mcsame, reminds me of Cruella Da Ville from 101 Dalmatians, one of my younger daughters favorite videos.

    St Sarah of Wasilla remind me of Peggy Hill and it seems is about as two dimensional.

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  147. Or is this I run the media such a secret conspiracy that even I couldn't be told about it?

    After all they obviously told duncetron.


    But Oxy-Moron, Hannity, Savage, and Herr Beck are onto you, and they gave the good word to dolty and a few select other wingtards.

    You might be so clever you even fool YOURSELF, but you don't fool EVERYBODY, buddy...

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  148. I hate to tell you guys, ALL religions are delusional. And we really shouldn't sterotype here. We don't say all that Muslims are lunatics because a segment of them are/blow themselves to smithereens, or at least we shouldn't. If you have problems with Palin, by all means, voice them and voice them vociferously if you must. I just think that you're treading a little thin here with the religion component. That's all.

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  149. sara said...

    Allright, dont take offense here guys, but I gotta frickin ask, you find those frickin nasty skanks attractive?


    She's reasonably attractive, more so from a distance.

    But thats not a reason to vote for a president.

    Which is exactly why knowing the morons in this country, that'll it will work.

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  150. Like I told Bart and Mike dude, better pick a side, keep tryin to straddle that frickin fence and you'll get your balls busted.

    Later guys i'm goin out for the night.

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  151. Uhh, hate to tell you, but you're wrong, Will.

    You're mistaking Christianity for a division within it. We have no problems with Christians. The problem is with Christians who preach war.

    Just like we have no problem with Muslims. Just the Muslims who preach war.

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  152. Pick a side? Sorry, Sara. I'm not a "joiner". I don't trust any of these bastards.

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  153. We don't say all that Muslims are lunatics because a segment of them are/blow themselves to smithereens, or at least we shouldn't.

    Um will ...

    actually Voltron and freedom fan say EXACTLY that many, many time here.

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  154. I just think that you're treading a little thin here with the religion component.

    If tonight bothers you, you'd a fainted two years ago.

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  155. You still shouldn't stereotype, even within a division. Take a look at polygimists, for example. Even there, they're NOT all like that douchebag (forgot his name).

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  156. Her beliefs are no business of mine.


    Until they start influencing government, and preaching war.

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  157. Will if you ever find something to believe in call us, but your waffling in moderation in everything is almost ludicrous.

    Sorry if that offends you ....

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  158. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...

    You still shouldn't stereotype, even within a division.


    What are you reading impaired?

    I just told you, we have no problem with Christians.

    JUST the ones who preach war.

    And the Assembly of God, preaches war.

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  159. As long as a Christian church preaches war from the bully pulpit, then I will mock it.

    Because since Christ was the "Prince of Peace", and taught peace, not war, any church calling itself Christian, while preaching war, is mockable.

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  160. Any questions Will, or does that clear it up for you?

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  161. Jon Stewert is handing it to the RNC fooles.

    "a stage that looks like it is giving America the middle finger"

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  162. His montage of the Bush 2000 speech and the McCain 2008 speech would make a real good commercial.

    It's ironic how much they said the same things about changing Washington.

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  163. Here's another tale for dolty to get outraged over.

    And I am actually screening them and tossing the unlikely ones. Er, at least I THINK I'm tossing unlikely ones?

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  164. This is interesting;

    Commentary: Israel of the Caucasus

    NATO guarantees that an attack against one member country is an attack against all are no longer what they used to be. Had Georgia been inside NATO, a number of European countries would no longer be willing to consider it an attack against their own soil.

    For Russia, the geopolitical stars were in perfect alignment. The United States was badly overstretched and had no plausible way to talk tough without coming across as empty rhetoric. American resources have been drained by the Iraq and Afghan wars, and the war on terror. As Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov put it, Washington must now choose between its "pet project" Georgia and a partnership with Moscow.

    Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili evidently thought the United States would come to his side militarily if Russian troops pushed him back into Georgia after ordering an attack last Aug. 8 on the breakaway province of South Ossetia. And when his forces were mauled by Russia's counterattack, bitter disappointment turned to anger. Along with Abkhazia, Georgia lost two provinces.

    Georgia also had a special relationship with Israel that was mostly under the radar. Georgian Defense Minister Davit Kezerashvili is a former Israeli who moved things along by facilitating Israeli arms sales with U.S. aid. "We are now in a fight against the great Russia," he was quoted as saying, "and our hope is to receive assistance from the White House because Georgia cannot survive on its own."

    The Jerusalem Post on Aug. 12 reported, "Georgian Prime Minister Vladimir Gurgenidze made a special call to Israel Tuesday morning to receive a blessing from one of the Haredi community's most important rabbis and spiritual leaders, Rabbi Aaron Leib Steinman. 'I want him to pray for us and our state,'" he was quoted.

    Israel began selling arms to Georgia seven years ago. U.S. grants facilitated these purchases. From Israel came former minister and former Tel Aviv Mayor Roni Milo, representing Elbit Systems, and his brother Shlomo, former director general of Military Industries. Israeli UAV spy drones, made by Elbit Maarahot Systems, conducted recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran.

    In a secret agreement between Israel and Georgia, two military airfields in southern Georgia had been earmarked for the use of Israeli fighter-bombers in the event of pre-emptive attacks against Iranian nuclear installations. This would sharply reduce the distance Israeli fighter-bombers would have to fly to hit targets in Iran. And to reach Georgian airstrips, the Israeli air force would fly over Turkey.

    The attack ordered by Saakashvili against South Ossetia the night of Aug. 7 provided the Russians the pretext for Moscow to order Special Forces to raid these Israeli facilities where some Israeli drones were reported captured.

    At a Moscow news conference, Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, Russia's deputy chief of staff, said the extent of Israeli aid to Georgia included "eight types of military vehicles, explosives, landmines and special explosives for clearing minefields." Estimated numbers of Israeli trainers attached to the Georgian army range from 100 to 1,000. There were also 110 U.S. military personnel on training assignments in Georgia. Last July 2,000 U.S. troops were flown in for "Immediate Response 2008," a joint exercise with Georgian forces.

    Details of Israel's involvement were largely ignored by Israeli media lest they be interpreted as another blow to Israel's legendary military prowess, which took a bad hit in the Lebanese war against Hezbollah two years ago. Georgia's top diplomat in Tel Aviv complained about Israel's "lackluster" response to his country's military predicament and called for "diplomatic pressure on Moscow." According to the Jerusalem Post, the Georgian was told "the address for that type of pressure is Washington."

    Haaretz reported Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili -- who is Jewish, the newspaper said -- told Israeli army radio that "Israel should be proud of its military which trained Georgian soldiers" because he explained rather implausibly, "a small group of our soldiers were able to wipe out an entire Russian military division, thanks to Israeli training."

    The Tel Aviv-Tbilisi military axis was agreed at the highest levels with the approval of the Bush administration. The official liaison between the two entities was Reserve Brig. Gen. Gal Hirsch who commanded Israeli forces on the Lebanese border in July 2006. He resigned from the army after the Winograd Commission flayed Israel's conduct of its Second Lebanon War. Hirsch was also blamed for the seizure of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah.

    Israeli personnel, working for "private" companies with close ties to the Israel Defense Forces, also trained Georgian soldiers in house-to-house fighting.

    That Russia assessed these Israeli training missions as U.S.-approved is a given. The United States was also handicapped by a shortage of spy-in-the-sky satellite capability, already overextended by the Iraq and Afghan wars. Neither U.S. nor Georgian intelligence knew Russian forces were ready with an immediate and massive response to the Georgian attack Moscow knew was coming. Russian double agents ostensibly working for Georgia most probably egged on the military fantasies of the impetuous Saakashvili's "surprise attack" plans.

    Saakashvili was convinced that by sending 2,000 of his soldiers to serve in Iraq (who were immediately flown home by the United States when Russia launched a massive counterattack into Georgia), he would be rewarded for his loyalty. He could not believe President Bush, a personal friend, would leave him in the lurch. Georgia, as Saakashvili saw his country's role, was the "Israel of the Caucasus."

    The Tel Aviv-Tbilisi military axis appears to have been cemented at the highest levels, according to YNet, the Israeli electronic daily. But whether the IAF can still count on those air bases to launch bombing missions against Iran's nuke facilities is now in doubt.

    Iran comes out ahead in the wake of the Georgian crisis. Neither Russia nor China is willing to respond to a Western request for more and tougher sanctions against the mullahs. Iran's European trading partners are also loath to squeeze Iran. The Russian-built, 1,000-megawatt Iranian reactor in Bushehr is scheduled to go online early next year.

    A combination of Putin and oil has put Russia back on the geopolitical map of the world. Moscow's oil and gas revenue this year is projected at $201 billion -- a 13-fold increase since Putin succeeded Boris Yeltsin eight years ago. Not shabby for a wannabe superpower on the comeback trail.


    One possible alternative to this is Israel attacks from home bases, and uses Georgian bases as the place they fly to after the attack, so Iran is watching their western border as Israeli jest fly north.

    Any way it seems to be screwed up by the Aug 7th attack by Georgia on South Otessia.

    So the meddling of McInsane's favorite foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunenman screwed up the Cheney-Israeli-neo-con plan to Use Georgian bases to attack Iran?

    Might THAT be why Richard Cheney was in the caucus instead of Minneapolis?

    Was Cheney trying to rescue as much of that plan as possible?


    BTW (according to Pat Lang) Cheney was in Azerbaijan after his visit to Georgia. He got a chilly reception. Annoyed by that, he declined to attend a dinner given in his honor. How rude is that? Rude.

    Cheney is a dick where ever he goes it seems.

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  165. Bartlebee, no, not reading impaired. FYI, I have problems with Christians who preach war also. That's not the issue. The issue is whether to stereotype people from a religion/division of a religion. I say that we shouldn't, that we should judge the individual instead; the individual Pentocostal, the individual polygimist, the individual Jehova's Witness, etc.. That's all.

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  166. Will it's kind of hard to judge an individual when the right wing collective masses has reacted like lemmings to the play book Lee Atwater and Rove used, among other extreme right wingers use, (Rush Hannity, O'Rielly, Savage, Coulter.)

    They travel in the same circles and sell the same bullsh*t to people who WANT to believe it.


    You want examples, the purple band aids at the 2004 RNC, which they would screech like wounded banshees if any single democrat did the same this year.

    There was band aids on almost everyone, trashing a veteran for his service.

    In 2004 the anti-gay message sold better then the states right code for anti equality message they used from 1968 to 2000.

    You can't judge the individual in that case because it is mass movement, if they had to do it ALL by themselves, they probably wouldn't try, but they get together and feel it's OK because others are doing it.

    It's the same with the fringe right wing Pentecostal assemblies of God movement.

    They twist the meanings of Christ and biblical passages to make themselves feel better about doing what they always wanted to do in the first place.

    It was true with slavery,

    It was true with Jim Crow,

    It is true when they wanted a war,

    and it is true today.

    Mass movements based of twisted religion and idealogical driven politics are their stock and trade.

    They spin facts and twist everything so it fits there for us or again' us mentality.

    They attack anybody who opposes their rigorous demands that their rules and ideology is paramount, and anybody who refuses to accept it are traitors, hippies communists or worse.

    So in their world view which has dominated this culture since the early 1980's either you fall in line or your an enemy.

    Extreme fundamentalists everywhere use the same system, just slightly different ways of trying to enforce it.

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  167. You can't judge mass movements especially extreme ones individual by individual, those who have tried historically end up victims of those mass movements.

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  168. Oh Junior...

    A less biased source for you maybe?

    "A note of clarification. Earlier in the week we ran a story about alleged pictures of Bristol Palin caught drinking underage. Readers in Alaska have helped us determine the girl in the pictures is in fact Sadie Johnston, Levi Johnston’s sister, and not Bristol Palin as we mistakenly reported."

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  169. Will "take no prisoners" Hart said...
    Bartlebee, no, not reading impaired. FYI, I have problems with Christians who preach war also. That's not the issue. The issue is whether to stereotype people from a religion/division of a religion. I say that we shouldn't,


    And I say thats a straw argument you're creating to try and act superior and lecture Lydia on something that she is not doing.

    If a church preaches war as a church, then calling them warmongers isn't "stereotyping".

    Thats YOUR straw argument.

    Thats simply commenting on a policy of a given church.

    For example, until the mid 1970's, one could call the Mormons Racist. Why? Because they banned Black people from holding office in their church, based solely on the color of their skin. Thus, until the 1970's, Mormons were racist.

    And the Assembly of God Church, along with other Protestant sects teach war now, including the Southern Baptists. Thus, they are a mockery to their own belief system, Christianity, which came preaching peace, not war.

    You're the one "stereotyping" by accusing anyone who correctly labels an organization by ITS OWN ACTIONS and DOCTRINES according to those actions and doctrines, of stereotyping.

    Its a strawman argument. A fabrication.

    Once more, for the guy who is "not" reading impaired, WE JUDGE THEM BY WHAT THEY PREACH. And the Assembly of God Church preaches war from the pulpit and that makes them warmongers and essentially "anti-Christs" if you will, because the teach the exact opposite of what Christ taught.

    When they stop preaching war and start preaching Christianity again, then they'll be Christians again.

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  170. dolty, give it the f up. There are several pics I didn't post. They are what they are, and recent pics of her and Levi together (say, at the RNC) confirm her existence in those pics.

    Christ, you deniers are a pain in the ass. I remember when you all insisted your fantasy girl, Lecondel Rice, wasn't a perjurer either.

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  172. I wonder if our resident 'tard would like to continue his denials with some denials about Palin's involvement with the AIC, or denying that she is a Dominionist?

    Or did the media make all THAT up, too? While we're at it, did the media bribe that Judge in Alaska who won't seal the divorce records of Scott Richter, Sarah's husband's business partner?

    The 'tards got one of their own stuck on the ticket because Johnny can't even dream of winning without their rabid participation. Unfortunately for the 'tards, her "values" are about what the rest of us have come to expect. Johnny was angling for picking up a few PUMAs too; instead, he drive a bunch of them into the Obama camp, and he also provided Obama with the best fundraising tool he's ever had.

    Plenty of issues here to discuss, aren't there? And the 'tards all insisted that the National Enquirer was a "gutsy" publication just a few weeks ago. How could they have done a 180 that fast?

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  173. You want to believe so bad you can't even LOOK at the pictures and tell they're two totally different girls.

    And you call me a liar.

    You guys are the exact thing you rail against.

    And Barty? As far as moving to Russia or China, IF you guys win I won't have to. You'll make this country much the same.

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  174. Dolty boy your unbiased link is as biased as it gets,

    It headlines a story;

    Sarah Palin Gives John McCain Lead in Polls

    But what polls you say?

    Sarah Palin has so much star power she is eclipsing Barack Obama’s celebrity spotlight. Women want change, and Sarah is the majority’s voice. In new polls out today, 58% of voters view Palin favorably, which is up from 52% less than a week ago. Even more surprising this morning is the fact that Obama and John McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters, but Palin is viewed favorably by 58%, which is better than both Presidential candidates. Joe Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.

    celerity favoritism polls,

    What happened to the Paris Hilton-Brittany Spears meme?

    Oh right Paris Hilton made John McCain look like a douche bag.

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  175. Actually Jr, Palin's husband WAS a member of AIC quite a while back. Sarah wasn't.

    And actually if you look at the way the libs in DC have treated Alaska it's understandable they'd want to secede.

    Imagine having all those resources in your state and being told you can't access them.

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  176. Yeah Clif. Those damned biased right wingers in hollywood.

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  177. Oh now it's the 'libs' in Washington, even though the GOPers have held the presidency for 20 of the last 28 years.

    Damn your quick to forget the facts duncetron.

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  178. Hey they actually found some foreign policy experience for St Sarah of Wasilla;

    GOP strategist: Palin’s foreign policy experience stems from ‘fishing issues’ with Russia.

    GREGG JARRETT: In what capacity has she worked with Russia?

    TYLER HARBER: She worked with permitting issues and with fishing issues dealing with the sea fishing industry there in Alaska.


    How freakin long do they have to practice their talking points before they can say it with a straight face?

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  179. Clif it ain't the right wingers who screech to high heaven when someone wants to drill for oil in this country.

    Why you guys HATE those Caribou so much is beyond me.

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  180. Those damned biased right wingers in hollywood.

    It happens son, remember Mr Cold Dead Hands, last time I heard they were cold and dead, but might be decaying so the hands part probably ain't what they used to be.

    Others like Alex Baldwin

    oh and the Governator and Ronnie Ray-gun never were in hollywood eh dolt?

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  181. Clif it ain't the right wingers who screech to high heaven when someone wants to drill for oil in this country.

    Why you guys HATE those Caribou so much is beyond me.



    Dolty cut back on the kool-aid son, your finally losing it fur real.

    Like T Boone says drillin' ain't gonna help much cause we can't drill our way outa the mess this time.

    There ain't enuf places to drill to make up for the new demand and keep up with the old demand AND the drop in all fields as they are pumped out.

    EVERY field that produced over one million barrels a day is in decline.

    There ain't enuf smaller fields to make up for the loss, even if we could afford the high price drillin' in smaller fields will require.

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  182. "Alex Baldwin"????

    Please tell me you meant Alec?

    Cause I'll put that one right up there with Barts "Katie Couric, media darling of the right wing"...LOL

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  183. Come on dolty try fudging the numbers again I liked that one.

    You looked SO clueless there.

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  184. Actually Clif in his latest commercial T Boone say's "I say drill, drill, drill..."

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  185. I'll bet. Especially since YOU'RE looking so clueless here.

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  186. Liberal media MY ASS;

    Cable news covered more of RNC’s peak hour programming than DNC’s.

    Media Matters reports:

    During their September 2 and September 3 coverage of the Republican National Convention, MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News each dedicated more on-air time — significantly more in most cases — to speeches and other official Republican convention programming during the most-watched portions of their coverage than each channel dedicated to official convention programming during the same times on comparable nights of the Democratic National Convention one week earlier.

    It's always a liberal conspiracy from right wing clowns like duncetron until you check the facts.

    Then NOT so much,

    As duncetron admitted on his blog he don't check the facts just the right wing rumors.

    As I mentioned earlier Clif, I HADN'T checked I was going by different articles I had read.

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  187. Like I said duncetron CLUELESS by your own admission.

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  188. And your source for fact checking is a George Soros funded group?

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  189. And Clif, those numbers were from left wing smear pieces NOT "right wing rumors".

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  190. he says; "drill, drill, drill, BUT THE DEBATE MISSES THE POINT, BECAUSE WE WILL STILL BE DEPENDANT ON FOREIGN OIL ...."

    Nice to see WHERE you cut his quote off.

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  191. When BILL MAHER of all people notices the media is having an Obamagasm that ought to make you wonder.

    Unless Bill is a "darling of the right wing" now too?

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  192. And your source for fact checking is a George Soros funded group?

    No the OIL corps and people who work in them,

    It is the BP annual report most rely on stupid,

    Try spinning it with out actually knowing anything at all as usual.

    Like bart said I'm just saying, I'm tired of bold faced lies.

    I mean its one thing to offer an "opposing view".


    But to just outright lie,


    your in here throwing as much trash as you can with NO facts to back it up you even admit it.

    damn must suck to realize you are sinking that low, NO facts just right wing smears even when you get the facts handed to you.

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  193. Sorry son but your trying to divert attention from YOUR admission you argue with OUT the facts just sites that didn't check the facts either,

    why don't YOU check the facts FIRST son.

    oh right YOU lose then.

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  194. I had no idea Media Matters was an oil corp. (or represented people who work for them)

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  195. "Sorry son but your trying to divert attention from YOUR admission you argue with OUT the facts just sites that didn't check the facts either"

    Well gosh Clif, they were left wing sites. And you guys repeatedly claim your telling the truth.

    Why would I doubt you?

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  196. In case your wondering BP publishes this report EVERY year;

    Statistical Review of World Energy 2008

    Where the hell did you get media matters son;

    I don't use them when BP has the real numbers.

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  197. Well gosh Clif, they were left wing sites. And you guys repeatedly claim your telling the truth.

    Why would I doubt you?


    NOT MY site BOZO, so your just trying to create a straw man argument you try when YOU have lost the debate on the facts like YOU already did.

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  198. The media simply responds to the what the largest number of its viewers, want to see.

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  199. Wanna try USING real facts and a real debate instead of the straw man argument you always LOSE with duncetron?

    Oh right YOU can't

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  200. And its clear the people love Obama.

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