Sunday, October 21, 2007

SPY VS. LIE: OUTING VALERIE PLAME AN ACT OF TREASON?

Guest Post by Bartlebee

We hear a lot of talk about patriots these days. In fact the word is literally used "left and right" to describe all sorts of people from politicians to pundits. One person you won't hear the term attributed to however, at least by the right wing in this country, is Valerie Plame

And here's why.

Valerie Plame first entered the world in 1963, the daughter of a Lt. Colonel in the United States Air Force. In fact, she was born on a US Air Force Base — Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage Alaska. Her father was not only a Lt. Colonel in the Air Force, but worked for the National Security Agency for about three years when Valerie was young, giving Valerie her first look at the clandestine world of national intelligence, and no doubt helped shape her future career plans, which involved one thing and one thing only.

Serving her country.

A career choice Ms. Plame was well suited to, given her superior intellect and skills not to mention remarkable good looks which are no doubt an asset in the clandestine world. In 1985 Valerie was accepted into the CIA's Officer training program, and never looked back. She was installed as a Non Official Cover Officer which is the most clandestine role the CIA has to offer. As a covert operative who speaks 4 languages, assignments took her to Greece, Iraq, Turkey and parts of Europe. She worked to protect US officials including George H W Bush during his visit to Greece, whose native tongue is included in her repertoire of languages. Plame was a rising star in the CIA with a BA from Penn State, and not one but two Masters degrees, one from London School of Economics and Political Science, and one from The College of Europe, in Belgium. Plame speaks English, German, French and Greek and is an expert in nuclear anti-proliferation.

Then, in 2003, it all came to a screeching halt.

ry 2002 the CIA asked Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame's husband, to travel to Niger to confirm the validity of a report of that Iraq had an agreement to purchase Uranium from Niger to be used by Saddam Hussein to manufacture nuclear weapons. Wilson traveled to Niger, met with the former Prime Minister who was the one approached by "an Iraqi businessman" who discussed strengthening trade agreements with Niger. Wilson researched the events and concluded there was nothing there and reported back to the Select Committee on Intelligence that the accusations of a sales agreement between Niger and Iraq was clearly false.

However in January 2003, President George W Bush announced in his State of the Union address, the opposite, with these 16 immortal words; "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa". Naturally Wilson was astounded that the President presented this information to the world as fact, even after Wilson had reported almost a year earlier to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee that the story was false.

This bothered Wilson, and on July 6, 2003, Wilson wrote in a New York Times Op-Ed piece that Bush had misrepresented the intelligence and wrongly used it to help justify the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Although several committees including the Butler Report, the Senate Intelligence Commission and the Senate Select Committee on intelligence at various times attempted to disprove Wilson's conclusions, none were ever able to produce any solid evidence to validate the claims that a sales agreement for Yellow Cake existed between Iraq and Niger, or that it was ever discussed with the former Prime Minister of Niger, Ibrahim Hassane Mayaki. In fact the US State Dept agreed with Wilson, as did the CIA, that the claims were false and thus discredited.

Eight days after writing his Op Ed piece reprimanding the White House for using the discredited information, his wife, and covert CIA operative, Valerie Elise Plame Wilson, was outed as a CIA Covert Operative, in a column in the New York Times titled, "Mission to Niger".

And just like that, her career as a CIA covert operative, was blown.

In Sept 2003, President Bush stated that if there had been a leak, then he would prosecute anyone in his administration found guilty of such a leak. The CIA had already contacted the Justice Dept. to request a formal investigation into the unauthorized disclosure of classified intelligence in leaking Plames status to the press. Then, in February 2004, Patrick Fitzgerald was appointed as Special Counsel to lead the investigation. During the investigation Fitzgerald filed papers naming Karl Rove and Scooter Libby as the primary leaker's of the information to the press, and not just to Bob Novak. However during the investigation Rove and Libby stonewalled, lied and did whatever they could to obscure and obstruct the facts of the investigation, most often resorting to age old "I don't recall" to avoid prosecution.

Fitzgerald knew Rove had leaked the information, as did Libby, but their diversionary testimonies and stonewalling made it impossible for Fitzgerald to prove it. Then on October 28, 2005, Libby was charged a 5 count indictment for lying to the Special Prosecutor Perjury and Obstruction of Justice. Libby, Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff, following his indictments, resigned in disgrace, and on March 6, 2007, he was found guilty of all but one of the indictments, and sentenced to 30 months in prison. a 250,000 dollar fine, and 2 years probation. President Bush immediately intervened, and overruled the courts ruling, granting Libby Clemency, and thus discarding the justice process.

Libby never denied that he learned of Plame's identity from Vice President Cheney, and thus while the Grand Jury's commission was expired and Fitzgerald returned to his "day job", the investigation is by no means over. But what we know is this. Rove and Libby leaked Plames identity, to discredit her husband Joe Wilson's report to the Senate Select Intelligence Committee to sell the war in Iraq to the American people and the Congress. This act alone would be enough for all but the most deluded of Bush followers, to abandon him as a traitor to the country. But the right wing has staved off a mass exodus by claiming over and over, that Plame "never was a covert op", which of course is a lie. Court records filed during the Libby hearing, and subsequent CIA information proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Plame was indeed covert and working on several clandestine anti-nuclear proliferation operations, including providing Iran with bogus data on the construction of nuclear weapons. But the right wing ignores this information, and continues to smear Plame, her husband, and her 20 year career as a covert CIA operative.

But tonight, on CBS's 60 Minutes, Katie Couric interviews Valerie Plame for the first time since her cover was blown by the Bush administration. In the interview, Couric will outline some of the actual damage done to the CIA, their long term covert operations, and the absolute danger the outing has placed numerous CIA covert operatives around the Globe. Couric will report how the day the Novak story came out, embassy's all over the world began frantically researching to see if the stealthy Mrs Plame had entered their country, and who she had contacted during her visits. Intelligence agencies began investigations all over the world to determine the extent of Mrs Plames activities and the persons associated with those activities, thus compromising potentially dozens of CIA covert operations and potentially hundreds of CIA covert operatives around the globe. We will hear how the work she performed was actually designed to stop Iran from ever developing nuclear technology, and thus averting the threats that President Bush claims to be so utterly concerned with. We will learn, how a President, and his staff, caused the country to be placed in greater threat from nuclear war, simply because they wanted to invade the nation of Iraq.

So with all the talk of patriotism and patriots that we hear from the right, tonight, CBS news, and Katie Couric, will give the world a birds eye view of an actual Patriot. One who dedicated her entire adult life to her country, and to keeping it safe from nuclear weapons. And we will hear first hand how the President who cries so loudly about his fear of those nuclear weapons in the hands of countries like Iran, destroyed the operations the CIA had worked so hard to develop, to keep those nuclear weapons from countries like Iran. And perhaps more importantly we'll get a keen glimpse into the tactics and strategy of the right wing Bush supporters, and their never ending efforts to provide lies and misdirection to real questions and real issues.

Thanks to Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation we know that both the President's and Vice President's Chiefs of Staff were the source of the leaks, which implicates the President and the Vice President as their source. If it had been just one Chief of Staff working alone, then perhaps one could argue it was a solitary self motivated effort. But both Chiefs of staff along with the White House Press Secretary and the Deputy Secretary of State indicate that it was not a solitary effort, but a combined, decisive attempt to smear two American Patriots, and in doing so, they destroyed years worth of highly classified work that was designed to keep America safe from nuclear threats, something the President claims is his primary goal. And since the right wing knows that most Americans know that Bush and Cheney were the original sources of the leak, their strategy has changed over the last year to discredit the notion that Valerie Plame was a covert operative. But in just one short hour, their collective denial of "Yes they did it, but she wasn't a covert op and her job wasn't classified, so therefore no crime was committed, no harm was done" is about to be dismantled once and for all.

Tonight the entire country will learn what only the educated and informed blogger's and web surfers are currently aware of. That Valerie Plame was indeed a covert operative, and that her work was not only highly classified, but was designed to keep the one thing from happening that George W Bush claims is the primary reason he was willing to invade Iraq and cost us so much in American lives and treasure and commit so much destruction of a people that has never once attacked us, and the reason he is now threatening to attack yet another country, and butcher a few hundred thousand more people and turn the entire global community against us. Her work, was to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of countries like Iran and Iraq. And George W Bush, and Dick Cheney, destroyed that work for their own purposes and ruined the 20 year career of a covert CIA officer who's classified mission was to do precisely what George W Bush claims is his number one goal, and the reason he's using to blow the middle east back to the stone age.

Tonight we'll see a true American Patriot, who works for one of the most patriotic organizations this country has, the unsung heroes of the CIA, who's mission is to stop wars before they get started. Tonight we'll see what the crowd "calling" themselves Patriots, do to the actual Patriots of our country. Tonight we'll see why this Patriot, who dedicated 20 years of her life to serving her country in an organization where accolades are given only in secret, and medals are seen only by the recipient, had her career and work destroyed by the President and Vice President. To sell their lousy war. A war that if they had only let the CIA do their jobs, would never need to have been fought.
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UPDATE: Katie Couric introduced the story this evening by pointing out that Valerie Plame was no "glorified secretary" as the Bush administration and the right wing have falsely labeled her. Couric announced unequivocally that Plame was not only a covert op, but an officer, in charge of "dozens of agents" and a highly classified operation to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.
The 60 Minutes Interview has just aired. For those of you who missed it you can catch recaps and excerpts here on CBS's website.

160 comments:

  1. I hope to dear God that the report will finally lead to impeachment hearings -- first aganst Vice-Fuhrer Herr Cheney and then Dubble-dum Bush.

    Or perhaps, if there isnt time to impeach Bush before the election - a nice big fat criminal case. See how he likes to swagger around in an orange jumpsuit ... and since he likes screwing people so much, we'll see how he likes being screwed by somebody who looks like Jabba the Hut.

    It'll never happen of course -- Pelosi will just let it ride and Bush will either withdraw from public eye after the election and attempt to rewrite history or use an attack on Iran as an excuse to declare martial law and cancel the election

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  2. MCH said...
    I hope to dear God that the report will finally lead to impeachment hearings -- first aganst Vice-Fuhrer Herr Cheney and then Dubble-dum Bush


    I think it will MCH. You can rest assured that over the next few weeks, this interview will be front and center on political news shows and talk shows.

    The right wings argument changed a while back, as the Fitzgerald court filings came out, and we learned that he believed that Karl Rove and Scooter Libby were the leakers and were fairly obviously acting on their bosses behalf. Richard Armitage fell on his sword so to speak, but the real leak, the origination of it, came from Bush and Cheney. Cheney probably first.

    And if the congress does grow some balls, or at least is forced to grow some balls, they'll likley go for Cheney first.

    But if it doesn't happen, you can bet that once a democrat takes office, and appoints a real AG, then this case will come back front and center, because the DOJ doesn't take treason lightly.

    At least the DOJ run by a real AG.

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  3. This story is not going away anything soon, and this investigation into who leaked her identity and why is far from over.

    Once the country understands the actual damage done to the country, that the right wing has been trying to play down for the last few years,then public outcry is going to be deafening.

    Once people learn that it wasn't just Valerie Plame who suffered here, but it was the CIA's plans to keep Iran from obtaining nukes, and everyone she ever worked with, then people are going to "get it".

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  4. 2 hours ago, the Vice President decided to make this press release, right before the CBS story aired about Valerie Plame.

    Cheney: US will not let Iran go nuclear

    MATTHEW BARAKAT,
    Associated Press Writer
    2 hours, 54 minutes ago
    LEESBURG, Va. -

    The United States and other nations will not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon, Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday.

    "Our country, and the entire international community, cannot stand by as a terror-supporting state fulfills its grandest ambitions," Cheney said in a speech to the Washington Institute for Near East Studies.

    If Iran continues on its current course, Cheney said the U.S. and other nations are "prepared to impose serious consequences."

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  5. So are we seeing the irony yet?

    Cheney is ready to go to war for what he claims is to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons,

    But he outed a CIA covert operative who's Classified, Covert Operation was to keep Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

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  6. I said that Pelosi should give the Decider a blow job than maybe she could put impeachment back on the table.

    I called her office again and told her to shut up about Stark since 80 % of Americans agreed with him.

    God Bless.

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  7. For years the trolls have been mocking Plame, and us for being upset that her identity was leaked.

    Volt, TT, all of them, claimed she never was a covert agent, but merely a "glorified secretary".

    Well don't they look stupid now.

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  8. Cheney and Bush now have bigger things to worry about than getting impeached.

    After tonights CBS story, they're going to have all they can do to to keep out of JAIL.

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  9. From ThinkProgress.org

    Gonzales may face criminal charges.

    At a speech on Friday, ousted U.S. attorney John McKay revealed that the “U.S. Inspector General may recommend criminal prosecution of departed Attorney General Alberto Gonzales at the conclusion of an investigation, possibly as early as next month.”

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  10. Gonzales could be prosecuted,

    McKay says
    By Bill Morlin
    Staff writer
    October 20, 2007

    The U.S. Inspector General may recommend criminal prosecution of departed Attorney General Alberto Gonzales at the conclusion of an investigation, possibly as early as next month

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  11. No wonder Cheney's beating the war drum tonight.

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  12. >>Well don't they look stupid now.>>


    Now???

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  13. I guess Katie Couric's no longer welcome at the White House corrospondents dinner, after tonights interview.

    And just think. Up until yesterday she was the "sweetheart of the right wing".

    Oh Katie how you've fallen.

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  14. Good point MCH, but this story on CBS tonight just mauled them.

    And I mean MAULED.

    Did you see the interview? Incredible stuff.

    It wasn't one of those "Plame CLAIMS she was a covert op".

    It was "CBS has discovered that Plame WAS a covert op, who was leading and working on a HIGHLY CLASSIFIED operation"

    It was not presented as a maybe. It was presented as irrefutable fact. Which moves Katie Couric up a few rungs on the investigative journalism ladder.

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  15. Couric also made it clear that the leak came from the White House, and that Cheney was clearly at the forefront, even going so far as to show Cheney's own handwriting on the newspaper article written by Joe Wilson, outlining various ways to smear him.

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  16. Nope -- wasnt able to watch it but I do look forward to seeing the fallout

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  17. Well I wish you had seen it. You'd know how utterly damning it was.

    I provided a link on the cover story to the CBS page where they hae excerpts and lots of video clips of the interview and even some other interviews, like Katie Couric being interviewed ABOUT the interview.

    This ones big. REAL big.

    The interview made it clear that other covert operatives were exposed by this, and even alluded to the notion that someone may have been physically hurt because of the leak.

    I guess I'll have to look at Katie Couric a little differently after tonight. She's come a long way from her "Navy seals are cool" days.

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  18. Yep -- saw the video clips and read the report. That's damaging stuff ... I imagine Flush Limbaugh and Bill "The Loufah" O'Reilly will have a field day with her tomorrow

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  19. I don't see how.

    Anyone attacking her now, after this story, is going to look like a fool.

    And they're also going to look like traitors.

    Not that they didn't before, but now the MSM is reporting without a doubt, what her role was.

    But you're probably right. And I hope you are. Let the pigs tighten the noose around their own necks.

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  20. I'm totally shocked at how little you actually KNOW about the "right wing".

    KATIE FREAKING COURIC WAS NEVER A "DARLING".

    I guess you just missed how we always refered to her on the Today show as "Katie Communist and Matt Liar"???

    She's been a lib since day ONE.
    She ALWAYS tosses softballs to libs and tries to play hard nosed with Republicans.

    Perhaps you've forgotten the cheap shots she took at Reagan and Bush 41???

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  21. And CBS of all places! ROTFLMAO!!!

    Didn't they also have Dan Rathers FORGED but "factually accurate" military record on W???

    Ah yes, the "tiffany" network...LOL

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  22. Thats it Volt.

    Squirm you nicotine addicted maggot.

    Squirm.

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  23. Thanks, Volt, you've answered that question ... the right wingers are going to try to avoid the Plame interview by attacking Katie.

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  24. The CIA has confirmed Plames status as a LEAD OFFICER, COVERT OP, and HIGHLY CLASSIFIED.

    The opertion was dubbed operation "MERLIN" and was designed to keep Iran from aquiring nuclear weapons.

    Nothing this half baked twit says is going to change that fact.

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  25. And whats even more hilarious about watching this "waterboy" bemoaning Couric for the story, is this wasn't just the news.

    It was 60 Minutes. The most famous and well respected news show in the world.

    But when the truth comes out, all little nazi waterboys like Voltron can do is cry about who's telling the story, never bothering to check first that the CIA reported the information, and its also in the DOJ's offical filings in the Libby case.

    No this idiot thinks he can just toss out a few "lol's" and cast doubt on irrefutable fact.

    But he can't.

    All he can do now is solidify his role as an utter fool.

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  26. Whats really an interesting development here today, is the news that the Inspector General is hinting at Gonzales being investigated for criminal conspiracy.

    Because if thats true, and Gonzo comes under investigation, then you KNOW he'll be singing like a canary.

    Tweet.

    Tweet.

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  27. Gee Barf, wasn't it YOU that said:

    "And just think. Up until yesterday she was the "sweetheart of the right wing"."

    No matter what else happens, THAT'S FUNNY.

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  28. And with the Plame story coming out on 60 Minutes this evening, and Bush at a 24 percent approval rating, things are looking pretty grim for the Bushites.

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  29. Roll Call reported that staffers on the hill were calling Couric that. She also was one of the primary advocates of the war, reporting for the administration whatever they asked. She was given special access, and was made famous with her "Navy seals are cool" crap.

    But fine, you want to say you never liked her? Fine.

    Cause thats not the story, and the story is not predicated in the LEAST on that "tidbit".

    It doesn't change a thing.

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  30. 500 words about Valerie Plame, and you, like the waterboy troll you are, try to fixate the story on Katie Couric, because of one single off the cuff remark.

    I have evidence to have said that, see Roll Call, or ThinkProgress. But if you don't accept it it doesn't matter, because its not the story, and it has nothing to do with the story. The story is Valerie Plame WAS a covert op, and highly classifed lead officer of a highly classifed program code named "merlin" that was designed to keep Iran from obtaining nukes, and that took years and years to develop, and was destroyed overnight, because the White House wanted to smear her husband to sell their war.

    THATS the story dickhead.

    And I promise you you won't change that fact.

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  31. I know you think I just make stuff up, or am uninformed and just repeat one sources story but I've been following the Plame affair ever since it broke, and researching anything I can find on it.

    I may have wrote todays article in a hurry, but the knowledge has been there for a long, long time.

    I can assure you trucker, that on your best day, you're not as smart as me on my worst.

    Which is evident by our career choices and your personal habits.

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  32. Plame was a CIA Covert Op.

    Bush and Cheney lied and said she was not, and you swallowed it. (which is not the only thing of theirs you've likely swallowed).

    But I knew back during the Libby hearings that she was, because its in Fitzgeralds filings. The CIA confirmed it. But they refused to let Plame talk, and she's been forced to listen to worms like you, who sit on your grannyhips smoking two packs a day and watching I love Lucy reruns, while calling her a glorified secretary.

    Well tonight she got her chance to speak. And 60 Minutes was given permission by the CIA to report her offical status, and the codename of her assignment (all which has been out there but not in the MSM news, so you guys pretended it wasn't), and now the country knows what those of us who are better informed always knew.

    That Plame WAS a covert op, and Plames status when she was outed WAS CLASSIFIED, and that when the White House outed her, they destroyed YEARS of painstaking work and resources in the middle east, and comprimised possibly hundreds of other operatives and informants, some of which may actually have been killed.

    You called yourself a patriot and when you first came in, I sort of believed you at least wanted your country to succeed, and you expected it to be good.

    But tonight you've confirmed what I have been casually calling you for so long. That you're really just a dirty, rotten piece of garbage who'd betray his own country, if it meant helping his right wing causes.

    You sicken me, and the country suffers because of scumbags like you.

    :|

    No offense.

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  33. You call yourself a patriot and a loyal American, in the same breath that you smear and slander and mock a woman who devoted TWENTY FUA$#KING YEARS of her life to her country in the CIA.

    20 F@#@#KING YEARS OF HER LIFE, to protect this country, and you, who never even served a day in uniform, think you're better because you buy Bush's bullshit.

    What an absolute wretch you must be.

    And talking to you is a waste of time. Because guys like you never see what you really are.

    But everyone else in the world, does.

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  34. And thanks for confirming your status as nothing more than a troll.

    You proved that today with your hit and run tactics and again tonight.

    You ran from my question earlier, first trying to insert a strawman argument about something I never said and HIDING BEHIND THE TROOPS like a coward, and then when I called you on it and stuck to the question I asked you, you ran away and hid, until you crawled in here and pulled another hit and run, trying to change the subject to make the story about Katie Couric, instead of what the story was about.

    You're a troll and a liar, and not a very good one at that.

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  35. And you're also afraid of the Plame story tonight.


    And you should be.

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  36. And Gonzo going under criminal investigation has got you worried too. I know the White House is.

    Because we all know he'll be singing like a canary.

    A little Mexican canary.

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  37. Well, I think "the darling of the left wing" Sean Hannity is going to cover some of that ground tonight.

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  38. Valerie Plame is a genuine American patriot and hero.

    What Bush, Cheney, Rove and Libby did to her, was not just criminal but, immoral. Plame was outed and her safety and the safety of her family and her contacts put at risk.

    The people who did this to her should be taken via a military transport plane to The Hague and stand trial as war criminals.

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  39. What an outrage! Whether or not you are a liberal, mainstreamer or raging conservative, you have to see this as plain wrong.

    I have just begun my sojourn into political blogging and have pasted excerpts of this over as my lead today. This is an amazing article and an amazing site. I will be creating a link to "Lydia Cornell" for certain. Let freedom ring or not...

    signed,

    the pinkofreeptard

    http://pinkofreeptard.wordpress.com/

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  41. Let's not forget that Plame's husband, Amb. Joe Wilson started all the leaking, starting with the NY Times. He also beieved that Iraq posessed WMDs.

    Listen to Wilson admitting that was leaking to the Times here

    A few questions:

    If Plame's name was illegally leaked, why didn't the independent prosecutor indict anyone on the alleged leak?

    Why was the Plame/Wilson lawsuit against Bush thrown out of court on summary judgement?

    If Wilson was so concerned about his wife's so called "cover," why did he supply her cover name to Who's Who here


    More points from Wizbang

    Robert Novak has finally revealed what he knew about Valerie Plame before he wrote his infamous column, when he knew it, and (mostly) who told it to him. And if Novak is to be given credibility, here's how it unfolded.

    Novak was interviewing an unnamed high-level source (let's call him "Skippy") about various matters. During the course of the investigation, Skippy casually let slip that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's trip to Africa to investigate the possibility that Iraq was attempting to obtain material for weapons of mass destruction was pushed forward by Wilson's wife, who worked at the CIA.

    Later, Novak realized the significance of Skippy's slip when it started being passed around that Wilson's public accounts of his investigation -- that it turned up nothing -- were at odds with reports of his classified report. The notion that Wilson and his wife might have had their own agenda for his trip started looking more and more likely.


    Novak called Karl Rove to confirm that it was Wilson's wife who had pushed for Wilson to get the job, and not Vice President Cheney's office, as Wilson was saying. Rove confirmed it.


    At this point, Novak consulted Joseph Wilson's entry in Who's Who to determine the wife's name -- up until now not stated by anyone -- and published his infamous column.


    Novak then calls the CIA to confirm that Valerie Plame works for them, and the CIA's spokesman confirms it.


    Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald has the names of the CIA spokesman, Karl Rove, and Skippy, but declined to pursue any charges against any of them.


    To date, the only person charged with anything in this matter is Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, "Scooter" Libby (who may or may not also be "Skippy" -- nobody is saying who Skippy really is), for perjury. Libby, in essence, is accused about lying about telling the truth about a liar, namely Joseph Wilson.


    Joseph Wilson will not get to see Karl Rove, Skippy, or anyone else "frog-marched out of the White House."

    To sum up:

    The Wilsons arranged for Joseph Wilson to take the trip to Africa on behalf of the CIA for their own reasons. Whether this was to jump-start his career or make a political attack against the Bush administration is unknown.

    Wilson himself began politicizing his trip when he started lying about two things: who chose him to go, and what he found.


    The exposing of Plame's employment at the CIA was a direct consequence of her and her husband's actions, intended to prove the lies Wilson was telling about who sent him and what he found.


    Although he has not publicly stated so, the actions of Special Prosecutor Fitzgerald indicate that he does not believe that the publicity that Plame worked for the CIA violated any laws.


    Scooter Libby is once again proof of the old adage that "it isn't the crime, but the coverup." If Libby had simply told the truth about telling the truth about Joe Wilson's lies, he most likely wouldn't be under indictment.

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    Bart, I know you're all excited about this, but by tomorrow, it will be old news, just like most the items you report breathlessly.

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  42. TT - Wilson did NOT reveal his wife as a covert operative. How you could interpret that from Who's Who is insane.

    You are a liar.

    Bush committed treason, as did Cheney, Rove and LIbby.

    Bush said he'd prosecute the leaker to the full extent of the law.

    Bush is a war criminal He has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.

    By their fruits you shall know them.

    Obviously all your machinations on the right, all the manipulation of media and the Bill Clinton witch-hunt backfired.

    "Republicanism" - the old fashioned kind is dead. And conservativism has proved to be another word for greed and bigotry.

    The People have spoken: only 23% approve of Bush and these are not people who are literate or aware of their surroundings.

    The People -- over 80% of shell-shocked Regan conservatives as well as Blue and Yellow-dog Dems, along with massive youth - young Progressives HAVE SPOKEN: Bill Clinton is more popular than ever, even several Republicans have admitted he was a good president... and your party has made it easy for America. Lying doesn't work. In the end, good always wins.

    In the end, good (God) always wins.

    Liberals are the true Christians, by the way.

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  43. Lydia said "The People have spoken: only 23% approve of Bush and these are not people who are literate or aware of their surroundings."

    Comapared to the 11% who approve of the Democrat Congress?

    Lydia said "TT - Wilson did NOT reveal his wife as a covert operative. How you could interpret that from Who's Who is insane."

    I never said he did, but do you have a link to support that assertion?

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  45. Lydia said "Clinton is more popular than ever, even several Republicans have admitted he was a good president... and your party has made it easy for America. Lying doesn't work. In the end, good always wins."

    You mean the same Bill Clinton who wagged his finger and forefully said "I never had sex with that woman"? That Bill Clinton. Yeah, he's a paragon of virtue and truth telling.

    Lydia said "You are a liar."

    Show me one lie.

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  46. TT, Barfeus got one other thing wrong too.

    He claimed the CIA agreed with his report that Iraq had not tried to buy yellow cake from Niger.

    They did not. Quite the opposite.

    It is well known that an Iraqi delegation went to Niger to "expand trade relations". The fact that both Wilson and the Nigerians report they didn't ask about yellow cake proves nothing. What else could Sadam have wanted from Niger?

    If I go to the corner drug dealer and ask to expand trade relations with him, do you think the cops will buy the line "I'm NOT trying to buy drugs"?

    Because that's what Wilson, Plame and Barf are trying to sell us.

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  47. Oh and TT, Wilson and his wife didn't "out" themselves in that Vanity Fair spread either.

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  49. Not only that, Volt, but Plame donated to the Gore campaign and listed her employer as "Brewster Jennings."

    She doesn't seem too concerned about her cover.

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  50. TT - by "liberals are the true Christians, I mean liberal values are Christ's values: charity, peacemaking, tolerance, non-judgment, compassion, generosity, sharing, equal right, equitable wages, etc.

    Christian fundamentalism is actually anti-Christian.

    It is the exact opposite of Christ's teachings: harsh judgments, condeming others, unequal distribution of wealth.

    You know exactly what I mean. In fact, Jews, Hindus, Liberals, gays and anyone who loves his neighbor as himself, or loves his enemy and practices the Golden Rule is automatically abiding in Christ's admonition "to love one another." Which is the essence of Christianity. Often people who do not even declare themselves a technically Christian are more pure Christians than so-called Bible thumping "Christians"

    You have to open your mind and think outside the box: substance over style. Spirit over matter, the spirit of the law, (love) not the letter.

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  51. The Golden Rule - Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    The Republican Golden Rule - Do it unto others before they can do it unto you.

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  52. The liberal Christian's greatest Commandment (Matthew 22:36-40)Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.


    The Republican Greatest Commandment (Bush 22:18-23) I love money, money money money. Quarters Pennies Nickles Dimes, Wealth and riches of our times. Oh I love money, money money money, Cash or coins, bonds or checks, treasure from old sucken wrecks, Oh I love money!!!!

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  53. Absolutely an act of treason.

    Bush/Cheney outed Plame who was working to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons.

    Perhaps the real motive of Bush/Cheney was to prevent Plame from doing her job so they could further their own agenda of bombing Iran.

    I'm betting Cheney had Iran in his cross hairs even before the first bombs fell on Iraq.

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  54. Good rundown on the whole Plamegate thing. I never understood why Robert Novak wasn't jailed. It was his choice to print this leaked information. Printing classified or secret information is a felony, as far as I know.

    In any case, let's get the impeachment started. It's never too late.

    Who Hijacked Our Country

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  55. This is interesting:

    "Comment deleted

    This post has been removed by the author.

    10:50 AM"


    That was MY post, and I DIDN'T delete it...

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  56. Did YOU delete your 9:16 AM post TT?
    It say's "comment deleted by the author".

    Because that was the one MY 10:50 AM post was in response to.

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  57. I note a 7:21 AM post was deleted too.

    I'm not sure but I think that was one of Lydia's posts.

    I KNOW I didn't delete mine.

    I wonder if TT or Lydia deleted theirs?

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  58. It's referring to the author of the blog (or likely in this case an authorized moderator), not the individual poster.

    Of course, Voltron, If you could delete your own posts and decided to do so whenever you realized you were wrong, we'd never hear from you. Life would be so sweet.

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  59. No mch, when THEY do it your post disappears altogether with no trace it was ever there.

    ONLY when YOU do it yourself does it say "comment removed by the author".

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  60. Looks to me like someone with shall we say, "web security" knowledge is playing games.

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  61. You know Voltron, if you're not a paid troll then you really need to get a life.

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  62. And its lucky for your boss you don't haul refrigerated goods.

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  63. Volt, I certainly don't have admin powers on this blog, but did I delete and repost two of my own posts this morning to correct typos.

    Rest assured that I did not delete any of your posts (which I couldn't do even if I wanted to).

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  64. And save your bs "web security" for someone else. I just got hear dimwit. I haven't been here all day.

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  65. Half a dozen people have admin power on this blog. Anyone could have deleted your post.

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  66. TT, did you just change and repost them or did you delete one of them altogether?

    I wasn't sure of the 7:21 am one.
    But your 9:16 am is gone entirely, and so is my 10:50 am.

    But I know I didn't delete mine.

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  67. But like I told mch, Barf, when you guys do it the posts are gone like they were never there.

    Mine says "Removed by the author" which only happens when we delete our own posts.

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  68. Volt, there was one post of mine that was deleted by an admin since it totally disappeared.

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  69. Ok, then that must have been what happened with yours.

    Mine however looks like I did it.
    Only I didn't.

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  70. Oh well, Live and Learn.

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  71. Voltron said...
    TT, Barfeus got one other thing wrong too.

    He claimed the CIA agreed with his report that Iraq had not tried to buy yellow cake from Niger.

    They did not. Quite the opposite.

    It is well known that an Iraqi delegation went to Niger to "expand trade relations". The fact that both Wilson and the Nigerians report they didn't ask about yellow cake proves nothing. What else could Sadam have wanted from Niger?


    Well, you're wrong about it being the opposite. First, their were logistical and financial obstacles for such transactions that were never discussed. Second, the former Prime Minister reported no specific talk of yellow cake ever occured. While you're correct in stating that its possible that this independent businessman MAY have been in bed with Saddam on WMD, and MAY have been wanting to obtain the yellow cake, it certainly did not qualify as the "smoking gun" that it was presented to the world as.

    Also, it wasn't even close to what the President stated in his State of the Union;

    "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa"..

    That just was not true. All we knew was an Iraqi businessman talked with the former prime minister of Niger about improving trade relations with his country.

    That has nothing to do with "SIGNIFICANT QUANTITIES OF URANIUM".

    How can you quantify something that wasn't even discussed? And how can you state it as fact, when its merely speculation?

    And as for the CIA, on July 11, 2003, George Tenet made this official statement;

    Because this report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the President, Vice-President or other senior Administration officials.

    So he essentially agreed with Wilson, who also pointed out that it certainly was POSSIBLE that this was the goal, but this was merely speculation and there was no evidence of any kind of existing sales agreement for a "SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT".

    I know you're chompin at the bit to blast anything I write, but you're going to need to do a little better homework than that.

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  72. Voltron said...
    But like I told mch, Barf, when you guys do it the posts are gone like they were never there.

    Mine says "Removed by the author" which only happens when we delete our own posts.


    Thats because you don't have admin privileges Einstein.

    Which part of that didn't you understand?

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  73. And besides, as always your argument is a big fat Red Herring Volt.

    Because even if Joe Wilson was completely and utterly wrong, it doesn't give them the right to destroy years of covert operations and to out a CIA agent, which in turns outs hundreds of other agents and informants with whom she worked and had contact.

    I honestly admit I am surprised at you two. You talk a good game about loving your country and all, but when someone outs a CIA agent who's dedicated 20 years, which is her entire adult life to her country, and to protecting you from the nuclear weapons you're so scared of, all you can do is bash her and praise the outers.

    I thought you guys might somewhere have some sense of actual patriotism, or a reasonable level of decency, but I guess I was wrong.

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  74. I raz you guys and call you names to get under your skin in a debate. But I always thought that if you saw treason out of the White House, you'd say, "enough already".

    But you two really don't have all that much going on, do you?

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  75. Oh well, whats that you just said?

    "Live and learn"?

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  76. Outing Valerie Plame to discredit her husband, whether or not you agree with his report, is a low down dirty rotten act of treason.

    And a cowardly one at that.

    I can't imagine the kind of person it takes to condone or defend that kind of thing.

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  77. "June 2003: According to the Washington Post’s Bob Woodward, the following interview with Richard Armitage at the State Department transpired "about a month before" Robert Novak’s column appeared on July 14, 2003.

    Woodward: Well it was Joe Wilson who was sent by the agency, isn’t it?
    Armitage: His wife works for the agency.
    Woodward: Why doesn’t that come out? Why does that have to be a big secret?
    Armitage: (over) Everybody knows it.
    Woodward: Everyone knows?
    Armitage: Yeah.
    And they know ’cause Joe Wilson’s been calling everybody. He’s pissed off ’cause he was designated as a low level guy went out to look at it. So he’s all pissed off."


    That's BOB WOODWARD, watergate fame and leftie hero...

    WILSON OUTED HIS OWN WIFE.

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  78. Oh so now you're basing your argument on something Bob Woodward said?

    :\

    Will wonders never cease?

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  79. Bart, the Cubans (and therefore the Russians/Soviets) knew she worked at the CIA. She was outed many years ago, which is the prevailing view.

    Her husband was making the rounds as a confidential source to many investigative reporters, who, more often than not, trade information. She may not have been a household name, but, because of her husband, the reporters, who can be quite clever, pieced the information together for themselves.

    She was in Who's Who under her cover name, the same name she used with her foreign contacts. She drove everyday to "Langley" where any asset could observe her. That is hardly covert.

    She donated to Al Gore listing her non-official cover organization, Brewster Jennings.

    If you or I were a foreign asset, we could have figured it all out in a couple of hours. She had already been compromised years ago, which is why she returned from overseas.

    Patrick Fitzgeralsd is about as thorough and tenacious a prosecutor that you will find, and he never brought charges on the alleged outing. He could not indict anyone on her alleged outing, and procuring an indictment is notoriously easy. The burden of proof is to simply persuade a majority of the grand jurors that, by a preponderance of the evidence, a crime has been committed.

    Fitzgerald could not do that, and that speaks volumes.

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  80. TT, you're full of shit.

    I won't even address your argument because you keep changing it.

    First it was they didn't out her.

    Then it was she was'nt a covert op.

    Now she was already outed.

    Well she wasn't outed in the press jackass, and she wasn't outed in the middle east. As for the rest of it, more excuses from a nutjob trying to defend treason.

    Your credibility with me is shot, so sell it to someone else.

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  81. I've got a pizza in the oven.

    Later losers.

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  82. Bart, those are all facts, and your counter argument is that I am "full of $hit"?

    Check the links I provided this morning and do some real thinking.

    Bart said

    "First it was they didn't out her.

    Then it was she was'nt a covert op.

    Now she was already outed."

    These are not mutually exclusive events, and yet you present them as if they are.

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  83. Mo thats not a counter argument its me telling you I'm done playing the troll game. You guys think you're fooling someone but you're not. The only reason you guys are back in force is because Lydia's show's doing well and you've been sent back in to smear her, like you clowns do with everyone.

    Your information is bullshit, and I won't go tit for tat with you until I prove you wrong and you dissappear like the stupid troll you are. I'm done. Get it cheesehead? Sell it to someone else. Plame lived her identity and everyone knows that. You guys just look stupid now, after 60 Minutes reported that she irrefutably WAS a covert op.

    The CIA confirmed this to CBS, so given the CIA and you, I'll take the CIA's word for her status with the CIA.

    If you think you have evidence to the contrary then you'll need to contact CBS and I'm sure they'll retract the story, just like they did with the Rather story.

    So don't tell me.

    Tell them.

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  84. But until you do, you just look like a fool.

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  85. Great post Bartlebe and very timely.........I too watched that 60 minutes piece and you are right only a braindead goosestepping fool could support the treasonous acts of GWB and his cronnies against both our country and Valerie Plame!

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  86. I dunno, I'd suspect anything that came out of the right wing controlled MSM.

    Perhaps they're setting you up for something?

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  87. Simple question, Mike:

    If Plame was illegally outed, why did the independent prosecutor fail to get even an indictment for same?

    He has more information about this than any of us, and he is not exactly a friend to the GOP. He has convicted several Republicans in the Chicago area.

    I can't wait for your response, something like "You're full of $hit, TT."

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  88. Talll Texan said...
    Lydia said "Clinton is more popular than ever, even several Republicans have admitted he was a good president... and your party has made it easy for America. Lying doesn't work. In the end, good always wins."

    You mean the same Bill Clinton who wagged his finger and forefully said "I never had sex with that woman"? That Bill Clinton. Yeah, he's a paragon of virtue and truth telling.

    Lydia said "You are a liar."

    Show me one lie."


    Every word out of your mouth is a lie you welching stalking sack of pus!

    Your human shit, Volksturm, your a waste of skin Troll Tex............Why Lydia even allows pondscum like you on this blog and gives your lies and deceptions a voice i'll never know!

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  89. Just another damned Troll said...
    Simple question, Mike:

    If Plame was illegally outed, why did the independent prosecutor fail to get even an indictment for same?


    You know instead of acting like a stupid troll why don't you read Patrick Fitzgeralds own explanation of why he failed to get an indictment for that.

    Everyone knows the answer to this, and I know you do to, and it has to do with sand, but thats all I'll say about it, because you already knew the answer when you asked that question. All you're doing is acting the troll, and people are tired of it, and you.

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  90. Sand, umpire, blah, blah, blah.

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  91. BARTLEBEE said...
    TT, you're full of shit.

    I won't even address your argument because you keep changing it.

    First it was they didn't out her.

    Then it was she was'nt a covert op.

    Now she was already outed.

    Well she wasn't outed in the press jackass, and she wasn't outed in the middle east. As for the rest of it, more excuses from a nutjob trying to defend treason.

    Your credibility with me is shot, so sell it to someone else."


    I'm with Bartlebe your not worth responding to tard texan all you are is a slimy liar trying too deceive people and obfuscate with your dishonest Reich Wing talking points.

    STFU you retarded AIPAC piece of shit!

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  92. And after 2 f$@#king years of going tit for tat with you two, the nerve of that cockerspaniel you drag in here with you to say I can't go tit for tat is just amazing.

    Both of you have been weighed, met, and found wanting and you're credibility is shot.

    Time to move on TT, cause no one likes you here.

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  93. Talll Texan said...
    Sand, umpire, blah, blah, blah.


    Yea blah blah blah. Except it was the offical answer to your question from the guy you're asking about.

    And you knew but your goal is not to find the truth, its to conceal it.

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  94. Now run along little man. I think your cowpie's ready.

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  95. Setting all of this aside for one brief moment -- Lydia, I certainly hope you and your loved ones are doing ok with the wild fires going on in CA. For that matter, I'm hoping that anybody who frequents this blog and lives in that area is doing ok.

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  96. MCH said...
    Setting all of this aside for one brief moment -- Lydia, I certainly hope you and your loved ones are doing ok with the wild fires going on in CA. For that matter, I'm hoping that anybody who frequents this blog and lives in that area is doing ok."


    I agree..........I hope Lydia and Fascist Fan are ok and their families and houses are ok as well!

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  97. You got the German part right anyway Ziegfreid.

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  98. Lydia lives where the real stars live. I don't think they're anywhere near her Mike.

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  99. Lydia's show is doing really well. The guests she is having on are first rate. Really first rate.

    Thats why the trolls are back.

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  100. Voltron said "...Cause I always had myself pictured as more of a german shepherd."

    Try a chihuahua instead, you keep yapping and yapping hoping somebody will take notice of you

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  101. TT in one paragraph praises Fitzgerald in one paragraph Patrick Fitzgeralsd is about as thorough and tenacious a prosecutor that you will find,

    and in the next he's dismissing his offical statement on how his investigation was blocked, by calling it "blah blah blah".

    Which proves without a doubt he is just a paid hack who'll say or do anything, to conceal the truth.

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  102. If George Bush buttf%#ked a 9 year old girl TT would be in here the next day claiming the girl slipped on a bar of soap and fell backwards onto his cock.

    He's a hack.

    And he has zero credibility.

    Zero.

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  103. The fact is CBS news AND 60 Minutes, the oldest and most respected news show in the world came out and stated unequivocally that Valerie Plame WAS a covert op.

    They outlined several of the operations she worked as well as the name of one of the operations and the CIA confirmed the information.

    The reason 60 minutes is the most widely respected news show in the world, is because of its retractions made publically and humbly whenever a story they report is in any way proven false.

    So, if TT or the right wing had anything that disproved last nights story, they'd be forcing 60 Minutes to retract the story.

    If ANYONE had information that the story was false, they'd be retracting the story.

    But they don't, so instead they're in here, trying to conceal the facts and muddy the water, but it just won't work.

    Until someone comes forward with information to discredit the 60 Minutes story, it stands.

    And theres not a damned thing they can do about it.

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  104. Ok, I've eaten, I'm not so grouchy. I'll give TT a few "Tits" for his tats.

    Talll Texan said...

    She was in Who's Who under her cover name, the same name she used with her foreign contacts.



    As Mrs Plame reported last night on 60 Minutes, she lived her cover, a fact you'd have known had you seen the interview you are in here dismissing.

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  105. Talll Texan said...She drove everyday to "Langley" where any asset could observe her


    Actually 40 percent of covert ops drive to Langley when they're in town. Told you to do your homework first.

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  106. Or at least you could have watched Mission Impossible.

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  107. Being outed publically so that every single country you ever went to knows the second the story hits the AP Ticker and being seen by someone driving to Langley is not the same thing.

    People aren't watching the entrance to the CIA like you think. They can spot you a mile a way. Anyone watching the entrance every day would be getting a first hand look at the inside of an interrogation chamber by the 3rd day.

    Sorry pal, your excuses for committing treason fall dreadfully short of reason or foundation in fact.

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  108. Not to mention that thousands of legitmate business men and women drive to and from the Langley office every day who have no affiliation with the CIA or any of its operations and merely provide normal office related and business related services.

    You just don't do your homework pal.

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  109. There.

    Suck on those for a while, and I'll give you some more Tit later, Tater.

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  110. Bartlebee is right. Actually Valerie Plame was a perfect cover because she looks like an attractive secretary and not like someone who speaks 5 languages — to narrow-minded "old-school" people who think all blondes are dumb.

    So going to Langley everyday could be just a secretarial job or "service" job...

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  111. Or she could be a consultant, a programmer, a copier salesperson, an insurance rep, etc.

    The CIA needs phones, copiers, printers, stationary supplies, insurance agents, etc, just like any other government office.

    But clearly TT is not interested in the truth. He's only interested in concealing it.

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  112. TT thinks people just sit and watch people coming and going from the CIA headquarters.

    I recommend TT try that theory out and go sit there for a few hours with some binoculars and a camera to see just how reasonable his argument is.

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  113. It is not unusual for a covert op to travel to and from the Langely office and this information be completely unknown to the foreign locals where they are working undercover. Like I said, just watching Mission Impossible should have taught him that.

    Hell even Maxwell Smart used to pull up in front of Control Headquarters in his little Sunbeam Tiger, and ride the Phone Booth elevator down to control headquarters before firing up the Cone of Silence.

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  114. In fact its well documented that he often answered his shoe phone in public.

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  115. Watched Valerie Plame on Larry King and came away even more convinced of how screwed she was by Cheney - and not even a kiss on the lips.

    This needs to be kept on the front burner and those responsible must be held accountable.

    signed,

    the pinkofreeptard

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  116. thanks for writing such a great post about her...and her situation...and yes, we should all bring up THE Question...wasn't Outing her Treason...

    I too hope and pray that these WH Criminals do indeed get impeached....and that Justice is Served....

    what happene to Joe and Valerie should never ever have happened...

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  117. Valerie has bene posting on a blog at www.firedoglake.com -- lots of interesting comments there from her and from others like us.

    Volt and TT -- there are a LOT more of us than there are of you.

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  118. PinkFreeptard, mch and Enigma - thank you for your comments.

    We are having Valerie Plame on our radio show sometime next week.

    www.BashamandCornell.com

    (Friends of mine have been affected by the Malibu fires. Anson Williams from Happy Days had to evacuate his 5 daughters and several others I know had to evacuate.

    Please pray for everyone. Several of these fires were started by arsonists.

    God Bless.

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  119. Thats terrible Lydia. I hope Anson 's home is ok.

    From what I can tell the fires aren't threatening your neighborhood, is that correct?

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  120. Congressman Pete Stark buckled to the Pelosi pressure machine and warbled a mea culpa today for his comment that President Bush sends soldiers to get their heads blown off his amusement.

    It’s a sad commentary on the current state of today’s cowardly Democratic party.

    Is there any doubt who Speaker Pelosi answers to?

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  121. Plame published her book, complete with redactions. I thought that was a brilliant move on her part.

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  122. Bart, Lyd, Mike, Larry, et al...

    Ever notice how jackasses like Widdle Twucker and Widdle Cowboy have to resort to trying to spin facts into lies to prove a point?

    Why give them air? Cut their stalking criminal asses off, and let's get intelligent people back on here posting, like when they were gone!

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  123. Voltron said...
    Am I the cocker spaniel or is TT?

    Cause I always had myself pictured as more of a german shepherd.


    Don't flatter yourself, little man. Your penis length speaks of a paramecium...

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  124. Voltron said...

    Armitage: Yeah. And they know ’cause Joe Wilson’s been calling everybody. He’s pissed off ’cause he was designated as a low level guy went out to look at it. So he’s all pissed off."


    That's BOB WOODWARD, watergate fame and leftie hero...

    WILSON OUTED HIS OWN WIFE.


    No, it was administration stooge and serial liar, Richard Armitage who said that, shithead...

    I swear, they must have dropped an extra dose of STOOPID in your gene pool, Widdle Twucker.

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  125. Voltron said...

    But your 9:16 am is gone entirely, and so is my 10:50 am.


    Do you drink and drive this badly too, Widdle Twucker?

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  126. Carl said...
    Bart, Lyd, Mike, Larry, et al...

    Ever notice how jackasses like Widdle Twucker and Widdle Cowboy have to resort to trying to spin facts into lies to prove a point?

    Why give them air? Cut their stalking criminal asses off, and let's get intelligent people back on here posting, like when they were gone!


    Oh I agree 150 percent. If they had something to say that'd be one thing. But we all grow weary of the constant lying and misdirection just to get attention and bury any real conversation.

    Last night Volt and TT started accusing me of deleting their posts, even though I hadn't been in the blog all day.

    So I decided to oblige their accusations.

    :D

    Seems to have paid off.

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  127. And as for the Plame outing, they've been crying for months now how she was not a covert op.

    But CBS news and 60 Minutes has come out and stated unequivocally that Plame was indeed a highly classified covert operative, putting to rest the silly argument once and for all.

    If they had evidence to the contrary, then they'd be writing 60 Minutes with it, and 60 Minutes would retract the story.

    But they don't, so they can't, so instead all they do is try to play word games in here all night.

    And people are getting tired of it.

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  128. Carl said...


    No, it was administration stooge and serial liar, Richard Armitage who said that, shithead...


    Correct, though he was only one of 3 who outed Plame.

    Both Armitage, Libby and Rove outed Plame, all under the direction of Bush and Cheney.

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  129. You're full of crap TT.

    Fitzgerald made clear why he couldn't pursue the matter further and you acknowledged that you knew that.

    The only sour grapes here are you, being unable to discredit the 60 minutes story that showed your president is a traitor.

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  130. And as for your right wing link, I've read em all dumbass.

    I don't need some inbred paid hack providing me links to his right wing bullshit.

    On my worst day I know more about this story than you on your best.

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  131. I'm sick and tired of this ridiculous exchange.

    CIA Director Hayden: Valerie Plame Was Covert Agent

    http://news.aol.com/elections-blog/2007/03/16/cia-director-hayden-valerie-plame-was-covert-agent/

    CIA Director Michael Hayden personally reviewed and okayed Henry Waxman's opening statement for Valerie Plame's testimony today. Furthermore, Hayden took pains to set the record straight: Plame was indeed a covert agent up until the day Robert Novak revealed as much to the public.

    Eat it, trolls.

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  132. You numbskull.

    She used both names in many places.

    The difference between those mentions and the one in the Novak column is that she did not append to them "is an agency operative".

    :|

    Duh

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  133. You are a slow one aren't you?

    One more time for the 9 gallon gent in the 10 gallon hat.


    Because it was mentioned along with the words IS A CIA AGENT.

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  134. Are we learning yet Stumpy?

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  135. I've worked with autistic kids who were quicker than this gelding.

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  136. No, you're not just going to grease on to another topic slim.

    You're sitting here defending an act of treason by saying because she used her name it was the same thing as using her name and APPENDING THE WORDS "IS AN AGENCY OPERATIVE".

    They're not.

    Because one has the words "IS AN AGENCY OPERATIVE" and one does not.

    :|

    Consider yourself flushed.

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  137. What is tard texan actually trying to think how to obfuscate and muddy the watters with his Reich Wing BS.............Dont think too hard little troll you might short circuit that little walnut!

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  138. Talll Texan said...
    This is the reason that Fitzgerald did not bring any charges on her alleged outing, because if he could have, he would have.

    Blaming Libby is just a lame dodge.



    No.Fitzgerald spoke his reason publically for all the world to hear. HE blamed Libby, and others for concealing the facts with diversion and misdirection and he made it clear he doubted the Vice Presidents innocence but he couldn't prove it because of the effective obstruction of justice employed by men who are effectively above the law because of their office, and because they say they are.



    Theres about a million links to it on YouTube since you're apparently ignorant of it.

    I suggest you educate yourself and come back when you know something on the topic for which you stump.

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  139. Talll Texan said...
    Bart, what you fail to grasp is the bits of public information can be pieced together to bring out other information.


    No what you fail to grasp is that on my worst day, I know more than you do on your best.

    And you've been proven wrong.

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  140. You're finished tonight TT until you can provide new evidence.

    Pat Fitzgeralds OFFICAL STATEMENT EXPLAINED TO ANY IDIOT WHO CAN READ WHY HE FAILED TO BRING INDICMENTS IN THE CASE.

    And since you're not Pat Fitzgerald, but just some dickhead in a blog claiming you why the special prosecutor couldn't file indictments better than the special prosecutor himself.

    I'll take HIS word for it, not yours.

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  141. Seriously though how long are you going to net this retarded troll derail the thread with his lies and Reich Wing BS...........I suggest you delete his BS before I do.

    And Troll Tex you stalking freak I saw the threatening grafitti you or your thug wrote..........you'd need a hitman to off me you little conservative pussy, lord knows you cowards arent brave enough to suit up and fight your own battles...you need to hire people to fight them for you.

    You really want to hang me with piano wire or off me any time your feeling froggy little cowboy...........i look forward to it.

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  142. all troll tex is trying to to is derail and be a slimy troll..........he doesnt deserve the privlige to post..........he is an enemy to the true patriot this post is about and a supporter and enabler to treasonous war criminals.........and allowing him to play his little troll games is a slap in the face to true heroes and patriots who had their lives ruined trying to prevent a million senseless less and almost a trillion wasted dollars.

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  143. In this thread I am der fuhrer cowpie.

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  144. You said what you came to say . I responded and you said "nuh-uh" and now its said.

    If you have some new information you'd like to post other than a rehash of more of what you've already posted then feel free.

    But you're not going to sit here saying "nuh uh" all night.

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  145. BS you stalking twisted welcher..............you cant have it both ways.........it cant NOT be a threat when YOU say it yet magically it IS a threat when I say the same thing.

    You conservatives are such a bunch of god damn pussys.........you fools are afraid of your own shadow, your afraid of terrorists, afraid of people on blogs yet somehow you pretend to be tough guys that can protect us where liberals who dont live in fear cant.

    Change your panties, and put in a fresh tampon and call it a night you meek little conservative pussy!

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  146. your spitting in the face of all the dead soldiers, dead Iraqis and Valerie Plame with Every slimy word you say Troll Tex.................Just Like Glenn Beck spit in the face of every person in California who lost their home or had to evacuate it Glenn Beck should be fired!

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  147. Well, I guess I can't compete with the delete buttton, Bart.

    Check out LGF, RedState, FreeRepublic, or Volt's blog if you want to contact me. You can find me there.

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  148. Dont let the door hit you in the ass Simple Simon!

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  149. Talll Texan said...
    Well, I guess I can't compete with the delete buttton, Bart.

    Check out LGF, RedState, FreeRepublic, or Volt's blog if you want to contact me. You can find me there.



    Sure TT. Contacting you is high on my to do list.

    I've seem all of em and more. Try StoptheAclu.com. They've got some good reich wing propaganda for you on the subject.

    I've seen em all. And I told you you can't fool anyone here. And no, you can't just take my evidence, which are the words of the Special Prosecutor himself and "dismiss it" to sell your spin on the story.

    Fitzgerald said why he couldn't get convictions and thats all there is to it. You can offer your opinion and you did, but you can't just dismiss the offical statement of the Special Prosecutor when arguing why the Special Prosecutor couldn't get a conviction.

    So you go hang out in Volts blog and wait for me.

    :|

    I'll be there shortly, I promise.

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  150. It's a shame to see a single troll destroy what was otherwise a swell blog.

    No wonder the regulars have disappeared.

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  151. >>It's a shame to see a single troll destroy what was otherwise a swell blog.

    No wonder the regulars have disappeared.>>

    Are you kidding me? Beating up on Voltron is one of my favorite sports!

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  152. Christopher - no troll can destroy our blog.

    Fighting our enemies only makes them stronger.

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  153. Talll Texan said...
    Well, I guess I can't compete with the delete buttton, Bart.

    Check out LGF, RedState, FreeRepublic, or Volt's blog if you want to contact me. You can find me there.


    Don't hold your breath waiting.

    Better still, hold your breath!

    One less moron on this planet can raise the average IQ substantially.

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  154. Christopher said...

    It's a shame to see a single troll destroy what was otherwise a swell blog.


    Their days of spamming the blog have ended. If they want to input opposing views thats one thing. But their wars of attrition are over, where they just say "nuh-uh" all night and dismiss any hard evidence we present with their denials until someone finally gets tired and gives up.

    That is the tactic of the thinkprogress trolls, where these clowns come from, and they're not doing it here anymore.

    At least not in threads written by Bartlebee.

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  155. Notice TT had nothing to say about the actual statement of the Federal Prosecutor as to why he didn't reach indicments on the investigation.

    Notice he did not address it or even acknowledge it until I brought it up.

    And after I brought it up, instead of acknowledging the words of the Speical Prosecutor himself, TT just said. "don't give me that crap".

    Well that "crap" was the official statement of the special prosecutor as to why he couldn't reach indicments. He went out of his way and held a special press conference to announce the reason he couldn't reach indicment, and that answers TT question as to why he didn't reach indicment.

    But TT just dismissed his offical statement, and insisted HIS word trumps the words of the Special Counsel himself, and thus thats how a troll tries to win.

    By just repeating over and over "nuh uh" in the light of hard evidence, and demands that his opinion trumps the actual facts.

    And we're not having any more of that.

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  156. I put up a temporary post about the California Wildfires, as so many friends and loved ones are affected -- and I've been crying all night.

    Please pray for these people, and send any amount you can to the Red Cross.

    Thank you. I'll put the Valerie Plame post back at the top in the next day or so -- because this is the most imporant story and a great article by Bartlebe.

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  157. You are welcome to continue commenting about Valerie Plame and Bushgate on the next thread too.

    I just had to post this story about Rim of the World near Lake Arrowhead. This is among the most spectacularly beautiful places in our country. And it's so sad that they had no aerial water drops, no equipment for some bizarre reason.

    Orange Country Fire Chief said: THERE WERE NOT ENOUGH RESOURCES, not enough air-firefighting equipment.

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  158. Bart,

    As I've said before, you can spin conclusions, but you cannot spin facts.

    It takes a certain psychosis...something along the lines of, say, some criminal who stalks people...to try to ignore the facts.

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  159. Dennis9:31 PM

    We live in some pretty sad times when people who are far more corrupt then Richard M. Nixon are allowed to get away with crimes of high treason against the USA. Bush, Cheney and the rest who were in on this are lucky that they do not live in another country where they would be immediately put before a firing squad and executed for such crimes. Republicans are the puppets of Satan and it is a statistical truth their history is far more corrupt then then that of Democrats. Even though both parties have recently been taking their turns at attacking the US Constitution...Republicans have clearly demonstrated that they are the worst of the worst. It is amazing how Republicans somehow think that it is "sound policy" to waste hundreds of billions of our tax payer dollars on illegal unconstitutional military actions around the world but also think it is "socialism" to spend only a tiny fraction of that on our nation's citizens and children. Satan loves wearing the faces of these spineless cowardly Republican chicken hawks. If Republicans are really supposed to be the conservative ones...I don't even want to see the alternative.

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