Monday, July 31, 2006

WHEN I WAS IN BEIRUT * IN MEMORY OF OUR 240 MARINES OF THE 24TH MAU who PERISHED

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Found this photo of Johnny Grant, Kelly Patterson and myself with the troops in Beirut, Lebanon for USO tour. God Bless the brave Marines of the 24th MAU, who died from a suicide truck bomb launched by Hezbollah shortly after we left Beirut. Years later I received fan mail from the 13-year-old son of one of these Marines. He asked me if I had ever met his father, and would I describe him to him. The boy was dying of cancer.

I will post parts of my Beirut Diary, which was published by US magazine, in the coming weeks. Audrey Meadows, who played my grandmother on Too Close For Comfort, was the one who encouraged me to go to a war zone on Christmas Eve, 1982. I will always be grateful to her for pushing me to go on this "trip of a lifetime." I was scared to death flying into Lebanon; have some hilarious stories about paranoia and mine fields in a blacked-out city.

There were so many wonderful Marines I met before the attack. I wonder if Col. Black Jack is still alive? Does anyone know Black Jack? He gave me a plaque with a gold Black Jack card engraved on it.

Contemplate this photo of Sedona: it does wonders to bring down stress levels.


"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Thomas Jefferson.

Why the Middle East Crisis Isn't Really About Terrorism
By insisting it is, President Bush clouds the real issues, which are how much the U.S. should do for Israel and what it should do to Iran
By LISA BEYER

Posted Sunday, Jul. 30, 2006
A year after 9/11, Richard Armitage, then the Deputy Secretary of State, was asked at a Washington forum whether the Bush Administration had plans, in its war on terrorism, for the Lebanese Islamist group Hizballah, factions of which the U.S. believes were responsible for the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. service members. Armitage, a bear of a man, gave a chest-thumping reply. "Their time will come," he vowed. "There is no question about it. They have a blood debt to us, and we're not going to forget it."

The time appears to be now. By supporting Israel's ferocious offensive against Hizballah in Lebanon, especially by pushing back international efforts to broker a cease-fire in order to give the Israeli military more time to lay waste to the group's fighters and armaments, Washington has taken a forceful swing at the militia, even if it's by proxy. It's not exactly about avenging the Marines, of course. It's about fighting the global war on terrorism.

Or is it? Should it be?

Enunciating a new security doctrine nine days after the 9/11 attacks, President Bush declared that the war on terrorism would be fought not just against al-Qaeda but also against "every terrorist group of global reach." Hizballah can certainly be said to fit in that category. However grand it may be to fight all global terrorists, though, the simple fact is that we can't: we don't have the troops, the money or the political will. That means it may make sense to limit our hit list to the groups that actually threaten us. Hizballah does not now do that. Nor does the other group currently in the spotlight, the Palestinian Islamist organization Hamas. The U.S. has sound reasons for wanting to constrain these groups, principally that they threaten our ally Israel. But those reasons have largely gone unarticulated as Bush falls back on maxims about the need to confront terrorism, as if Hizballah and Hamas are likely to be behind the next spectacular that will top 9/11. They are not, and pretending that they are costs the U.S. credibility, risks driving terrorist groups that aren't allied into alliance and obscures the real issues at hand in the Middle East: How do you soften up militants who vehemently oppose Israel's existence? What should the U.S. put on the line for Israel? And does it make sense for Washington to engage in boxing by surrogate with Tehran?

THE NATURE OF HIZBALLAH

Formed in 1982 to resist Israel's occupation of Lebanon, Hizballah established its terrorist bona fides in the 1980s by kidnapping some 50 foreigners in Lebanon, including 18 U.S. citizens, and killing two of them, notably CIA station chief William Buckley. The group's global reach was achieved perhaps in 1985 with a suspected connection to the saga of TWA Flight 847, in which hijackers shot dead a U.S. Navy diver and dumped him onto a Beirut tarmac. In 1992 Hizballah bombed the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29, and, in 1994, a Jewish cultural center there, killing 95. Read the rest of the article at: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1220505,00.html

347 comments:

  1. I am posting my trip to Beirut, but can't seem to complete any publishing on this blog anymore.

    I think Tall Texan is right: a malicious hacker has hijacked this blog.

    Very sad.

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  2. TT regarding your comments about you having problems on Lydia's website, i will first address your comments on this issue, then I will post a comment from Worf directed to you.

    8:55 AM

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  3. TT said "Kay, nobody blocked him (Worf) from doing anything. If you recall, he posted here to say that he was fed up or whatever, but he was able to post. His choice. Not ours."

    TT you seem SO SURE YOU ARE RIGHT, just as you do about your political views, when in truth you couldnt be more wrong.

    DO YOU HAVE A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT NO ONE BLOCKED HIM FROM POSTING HERE TT, If you are SO SURE Worf is lying and was not locked out would you be willing to put your money where your mouth is and swear on your life that he is lying and was not locked out.....better yet, would you be willing to swear on your kids life that Worf is the liar, and what he is saying is not true.

    BTW TT the fact that he posted after claiming to be locked out is not proof that he wasnt locked out and means absolutely nothing, i'm just speculating here, but he could have made that post from a different computer, a differnt ISP provider, a friends house, his local Library, a friend could have posted it for him etc....your argument is beyond weak TT.

    9:04 AM

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  4. TT said "Lydia, I am not making this up: whenever a go to lydiacornell.com/blog.html, it shuts down all windows of Internet Exporer. I really think that there is some malicious code in your blog, placed there by a hacker, or perhaps by your own sys admin (perhaps by mistake). Now I am having problems, buit it isn't with eBlogger or Typepad, but with your site. FYI. Thanks."

    TT i'm not going to state you are lying with no proof, i'll leave that for you guys, and if you are really having problems with your computer, I sincerely hope you get them fixed, but........................It sure seems aweful contrived, and I cant get past the fact that you specifically stated the alleged problems ARE NOT WITH E BLOGGER, they are with Lydia's website.

    Why would you do that, I dont know, but i'll take a wild guess, I think its because you are making a concerted effort to lobby Lydia not to change from E Blogger to Type Pad.

    and let me say this TT for a guy that has publicly stated at least 5-10 times that he would not be the least bit against having everyone's IP address displayed publicly for all to see in E Blogger, to have you do a complete about face and say you have a problem with your IP not even being displayed publicly but merely being logged.is hippocritical and best and very likely indicates you are lying and have something to hide.

    you and johnny are pissing your pants about going to typePad and for 2 guys who claim you are who you say you are, and are here for honest debate and have nothing to hide and wouldnt mind your IP being displayed publicly, your irrational fear of moving over there just doesnt add up, and would only serve to indicate you have something to hide.

    9:18 AM

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  5. From Worf to Troll Tex

    TT Posted in the old blog this line of horsecrap.

    I am going to answer it here, because it is such a line of horsecrap it deserves to be brought into the light.

    However, how is Worf so sure that someone intentionally locked him out?

    Because Worf is a computer security analyst. Its what I do for a living, and have for the last 16 years.



    It could have been a glitch,

    NO, it couldn't.

    We have analyzed the traffic coming from to several systems on my network including a HoneyPot system we set up just to trap hackers.

    This analysis confirms that the Eblogger Server is blocking my systems based on IP and system IDs.

    That can only happen on purpose. Not a glitch.

    and you never know, glitches might start occurring in the other blog just as easily.

    No they can't.


    Seriously, could you or Worf tell us why you think it was a hacker and not some glitch?


    Because instead of sitting there scratching our heads we analyzed the forensic evidence and it clearly shows the server is blocking certain systsm, AND, it ALWAYS happens when I am beating one of you in a debate.


    One thing I do know is that eBlogger is owned by Google which has a slightly Liberal slant to it, so why would they intentionally cause you and Worf problems and not me?


    No one's blaming eBlogger or Google management.

    This is some snot nosed pocket protected right wing mid level admin, or a right wing hacker who has taken control of the server. I can't say which because I cannot analyze the server. But its definately one of the 2.


    Just last night, Worf was suggesting that me or FF might have friends and Google and they are locking you out.
    Well, I don't knwo anyone who works there.

    Like anyone is dumb enough to believe you'd admit to a criminal act openly and in print?

    Gimme a break lamebrain.

    and Worf's shifting theories tell me that he is not even sure that he knows what happened.

    Worf is not theorizing anything you hapless technoweenie.

    My "forensic analysis" has not "shifted" one iota.

    All I know know is that all services and all computers will give you a problem from time to time, and that 99% of the time it is a technical glitch that is the problem.

    Well then you obviously don't know anything.


    I can tell you I've never had a problem here

    Imagine that.

    :|

    Posted by: WORFEUS | July 30, 2006 at 11:13 AM

    but when Worf says things like he's in charge now over there

    You're not just a liar, but you're an ignorant liar.

    Wanna prove me wrong?

    Show me ONE PLACE where I said that I was in charge.

    LIAR.

    or that he helps administer the blog over there,

    Another lie.

    Show me one place where I said that.

    and that he would ban us all,

    I said IF lamebrain.

    IF.

    Posted by: WORFEUS | July 30, 2006 at 11:16 AM

    Meanwhile, 60 people are killed in Lebanon, mostly women and children.

    While the right wing trolls giggle with glee.

    Posted by: WORFEUS | July 30, 2006 at 11:20 AM

    9:25 AM

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  6. TT said "Mike, Worf convinced me that having the IP of another could lead to legal liability and hack attacks. I now agree with him.

    Unlike you lap dogs, this blog is not my whole life."

    Really TT could of fooled me, because your posts from a few minutes ago indicate that you think Worf is lying and nothing happened to lock him out, are you flip flopping troll tex and now believe someone hacked into our computers or the blog?

    TT earlier said however


    Seems to me, Mike, that since Worf made those comments (that he was locked out), maybe he shouls post proof to back up his claim. I thought he was full of it. Perhaps he can be a man and not use you as a
    "go between" and address me directlty.

    TT said "Kay, nobody blocked him (Worf) from doing anything. If you recall, he posted here to say that he was fed up or whatever, but he was able to post. His choice. Not ours."

    Well troll tex, if he werent locked out of the blog i'm sure he would be a man and clean your clocks, he not only enjoyed it he was quite good at making you clowns look foolish.

    9:31 AM

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  7. he'd love to address you directly troll tex, just head on over to the other blog and he'll be all ears.

    see i'll say it again for you real nice and big since i'm aware of your reading comprehension problem.

    WORF IS LOCKED OUT OF POSTING ON THIS BLOG!!

    if you arent afraid to face him in a fair fight head over to the other blog.

    9:35 AM

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  8. TT said "Unlike you lap dogs, this blog is not my whole life."

    really Troll Tex it sure seems like your life, in fact if we check the transcripts over the last 3 weeks we would see you were here all hours and were in fact here more than I was and certainly more than worf was.....course part of that is you guys are too afraid of a fair fight and lock people out of the blog who you cant beat in honest debate. also Funny how Rusty the troll said he banned Lydia and today she is locked out of the blog.......but of couse we are all lying about being locked out.....yet when you claim to have a problem we are all supposed to take you at your word.

    and as for lap dogs that is you and your buddies you blindly support Bush and anything Reich Wing without a shred of evidence.

    look how you blindly supported Coulters Ex with out a shred of proof, but your gut feeling, something you attacked Lydia endlessly for doing about Rummy.

    See I support people who are my friends and who I like respect, agree with and share similar beliefs and values with and that is a far cry from being a lap dog, a lap dog is someone who wants something or is begging for scraps from its master and that is you and your buddies Troll Tex

    9:44 AM

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  9. I can't publish my diary of the USO tour in Beirut. Some amazing stuff.

    WHY WON'T YOU LET ME POST?

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  10. They tried locking me out too Lydia, they are slime, cowardly slime, and i'm getting tired of their cowardly tactics and veiled threats.

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  11. Hey Troll tex, how bout you start answering my questions, your doing your slimy little dodge again, I just asked you close to 10 questions and you didnt answer one, all you did was dance, one minute Worf is lying and there is nothing wrong with the blog, next minute there is some malicious code and you are now afraid to give out your IP.

    You cant have it both wats Troll Tex.

    Wht are you and Johnny so afraid to go to the other Blog, for a guy who previously stated he is not afraid of having his IP displayed publicly or who openly challeges a guy from the CIA who you allege threatens people's lives at their own homes, that sure seems pretty cowardly on your part........but I guess being cowardly chickenhaws is the repug way, they only act tough while hiding behind a keyboard.

    10:05 AM

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  12. Jude said "Diplomacy is not appeasement, but Bush's favorite neocons don't want anyone to examine the vast difference.

    George never looked Saddam in the eye - not once - before going in and making this mess in Iraq. The opportunity was there, but George wouldn't do it. Why? Because he is a fundamentalist in every sense of the word.

    A fundamentalist is "never wrong." Religious and political fundamentalism is characterized by rigidity, domination, and exclusion. Fundamentalists are convinced that they are right and anyone who contradicts them is evil. The fundamentalist feels that they have a unique relationship with God - and that they actually speak for God. When there are serious differences between the U.S. and other nations, we cannot brand those who differ as pariahs or inferiors worthy of despise - yet fundamentalism in foreign policy tends to do just that. It leaves no room for discussing of ideas or for compromise.


    George has an opportunity to talk directly with Syria and Iran reagrding South Lebanon. He will not do it. He is following the pattern of assured war by doing so. He is following the pattern of assured war by sitting back (immoral in his failure to speak out) while children die at the hands of a brutal aggressor. When children perish in such a manner, there is no moral person in this world who sees it as "self-defense."

    From a non-fundamentalist point of view, when Jesus told us to 'love our enemies,' I really don't think he meant "go and kill them."

    Great strength in leadership is found in those who will not rule out any possibility in the pursuit of political goals. Unfortunately, George only wants to use firepower to achieve his goals, neglecting the rule of law and human rights that have been set down in stone for us to see since the days of Hammurabi. George missed some very important lessons in leadership while he partied down and guzzled brew and f**ked up every business he ever had his grubby hands in. Our nation suffers for his weakness."


    Excellent post Jude, right on the money in every way, Bush is a Fundamentalist, he chooses war over peace with every decision the "DECIDER" makes to his Orwellian brain War is Peace. the attrocities this man has committed in the name of public good are truely dispicable.

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  13. Hey it ain't me.

    And I really don't care if you guys want my IP addy.
    I have pretty good security. You might get through, but not without me knowing about it.

    Here it is:

    4.254.100.79

    and the current machine name is:

    dialup-4.254.100.79.Dial1.Chicago1.Level3.net


    the last number may change since I AM on dial up.

    Occaisionally, (not often) I post from my boys home (he lives with his grandpa) and they're on InsightBB.

    I have no idea what that IP is.

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  14. Diplomacy is not appeasement
    -Jude Nagurney Camwell

    True, diplomacy is not necessarily appeasement, but obviously it can be.

    Diplomacy is talking meant to prevent war. Diplomacy presumes that both sides are willing to compromise, and both wish to avoid conflict. But when diplomacy fails, war happens.

    Diplomacy with saddam hussein lasted for over a decade after he was punished for invading Kuwait. It didn't work.

    In the Middle East our Islamofascist enemies have shown repeatedly that they are not interested in peace; they will not settle for less than total destruction of Israel. The terrorists use endless negotiations to win nothing more than temporary "cease-fires" to allow them time to regroup and resupply.

    Appeasement is cowardly selling out your friends in the hope that a vicious bully will not devour you next. Appeasement is synonymous with neville chamberlain, who sold out central Europe in a vain attempt to purchase peace from hitler.

    Appeasement emboldens our enemies, shows our friends that we will sell them out whenever it suits our interests, and makes even bloodier war a virtual certainty.

    Appeasement is sitting in the safety of an easy chair rebuking your Israeli friends for defending themselves as they fight for their very lives.

    He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
    -Benjamin Franklin

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  15. Jude - brilliant post, thank you.

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  16. Fantasy foole said;

    Diplomacy presumes that both sides are willing to compromise,


    And Bush is not,

    simple as that he has basically said it is the way he wants or nothing...

    He did it in the run up to Iraq...

    by running rough shod over the UN and Ignoring them when he couldn't get what he wants...

    He did it with congress...over 750 signing statements so he does not have to follow thw WILL of congress as experssed in the LAWS they wrote...

    He did it by ILLEGALLY bypassing the FISA act...

    He dopse it all the time...

    so foole you are right as long as George Bush stays the dry drunk he IS he will not comprimise

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  17. Want to see a typical repug debate tactic in action....well the foole laid it out quite well;


    Fantasy Foole said...

    Diplomacy is not appeasement
    -Jude Nagurney Camwell

    True, diplomacy (not appeasement)is not necessarily appeasement, but obviously it can be.

    Diplomacy(not appeasement) is talking meant to prevent war. Diplomacy(not appeasement) presumes that both sides are willing to compromise, and both wish to avoid conflict. But when diplomacy fails, war happens.

    Diplomacy(not appeasement) with saddam hussein lasted for over a decade after he was punished for invading Kuwait. It didn't work.

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    notice up to this point he is saying Diplomacy not appeasement

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    In the Middle East our Islamofascist enemies have shown repeatedly that they are not interested in peace; they will not settle for less than total destruction of Israel. The terrorists use endless negotiations to win nothing more than temporary "cease-fires" to allow them time to regroup and resupply.


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    suddenly he changes to appeasment like we are not supposed to notice he said " diplmacy is not necessarily appeasement"

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    Appeasement(not diplomacy) is cowardly selling out your friends in the hope that a vicious bully will not devour you next. Appeasement(not diplomacy) is synonymous with neville chamberlain, who sold out central Europe in a vain attempt to purchase peace from hitler.

    Appeasement(not diplomacy) emboldens our enemies, shows our friends that we will sell them out whenever it suits our interests, and makes even bloodier war a virtual certainty.

    Appeasemen(not diplomacy)t is sitting in the safety of an easy chair rebuking your Israeli friends for defending themselves as they fight for their very lives.



    Funny he starts our talking about diplmacy but switches to appeasment which HE defines,

    I would agree Chamberlin was appeasing Hitler.....

    But asking Israel toi abide by the Geneva Convention IS not appeasment...it is simply asking them to do what they said they would do...

    Asking Israel not to bomb every civilian building in all the southern Lebanon territory,

    trying to destroy everything there, and creating a wasteland...

    so that there is NOTHING for the 750,000 civilian refugees to return to,

    which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention

    Intentionally targeting civilian homes ALL of them is ILLEGAL and that is what Israel is doing,

    and why your hawking that proIsrael propoganda video..at the same time they are commiting war crimes,

    to divert the attention form the crimes..and I have found other repugs on progressives websites who suddenly are doing the EXACT same thing, like it is very important for all of US to watch it,

    WHY?

    To prepare the public mindset for a future media blitz against the muslims in the middle east?

    To p[repare the public mindset to be much more open to propositions of the Bush admin for ..MORE ..military action in that region?

    The TOTAL fiasco in IRAQ is not enough?

    the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan is not important enough for you but another WAR is what you really want...one against SYRIA..which would allow the repug neo-cons to do to Syria what they have done to IRAQ,

    create a civil war that removes them from being an active player in their neighbor hoor, especially thgeir backyard...

    He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither
    -Benjamin Franklin

    And we have been saying THAT for months about Bush's grap FOR our Freedoms...and YOU have been defending HIM not freedom ...FOOLE

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  18. BTW as I typed the last post CNN was reporting Syria is telling their army to "raise rediness" which both of us know as former officers...the Syrian leadership sees the situation being more dangerous..thus they raise the status of their military forces....

    And in a game of military chicken wher one side postures, and the other responds, well WW1 as a classic example it sometimes spirals out of control,

    WHICH IS EXACTLY what the NEO-CON cabal wants, higher tensions which they can manipulate for their schemes....

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  19. BTW Tiny inTellect, a question,

    Here are posts you put here before;

    Tall Texan said...
    Worf, it was pretty much this site that brought Coulter to my attention. Before that, she was just another commentator.

    I don't even agree with many of her positions.

    1:13 PM


    But you claim to know one of her old boyfriends?



    Tall Texan said...
    Mike, I was aware of her before, but I learned a whole lot more about her from this Liberal blog, believe it or not.

    I agree with much of what she says, but not all.

    The first two are from two separate threads...but seem to CONTRIDICT each other...and now we know you admit to KNOWING her old boyfriend..one who PUBLICALLY has disagreements with her?



    6:44 PM

    Tall Texan said...
    "Mike said...
    exactly Larry, notice how Troll Tex was franticly asking Lydia questions yet when she responded will good well thought out arguments he couldnt counter he ignored her responses and kept attacking her blog article with Coulter's pre-packaged one size fits all talking points and labels.

    12:37 PM"

    Hate to break it you, Mike, but I've never read any of Ann Coulter's books. I, frankly, don't even know what her talking points are. My points are my own.


    And your NOT here because Lydia called Coulter on her hypocracy and idiotic statements...

    WELL SON, you've slowly outed your self here...and NOW we know YOU are either a LIAR or a bigger foole than the fantasy foole is....

    Because you have posted statements which directally contridict other statements YOU posted....

    SO the question,

    why all the LIES?

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  20. Where are those two girly boys Clif and Mike? I've been away for a few days,have those two been discussing what fabric softener or skin lotion they use.The two code pink boys that they are.

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  21. Do you believe those Hezbollah heathens using civilians as human shields,putting women and children in a building and then using the area as a missle base.Those people....oh never mind,there just no words to discribe them,they stoop so low.

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  22. South Dakota Voters Reject Restrictive Abortion Ban
    Sioux Falls, SD – Today the Argus Leader and KELO TV released poll results indicating that voters are likely to reject the restrictive abortion ban signed into law by Governor Mike Rounds earlier this year. The Mason Dixon poll sampled 800 registered voters and found that 47% plan to vote No on Referred Law 6 in November, while 39% of respondents would uphold the abortion ban.

    “We are pleased with the results of the poll,” commented Jan Nicolay, co-chairperson for the South Dakota Campaign for Healthy Families. “Earlier this spring, a large group of volunteers made sure that the voters of South Dakota would have a chance to decide this extremely important issue. This poll is confirmation that the ban is too restrictive and goes too far. However, between now and November, we still have a lot of work to do to defeat the national extremist groups who have taken over our State Government.”

    “South Dakotans think this ban is too restrictive and their legislators and Governor have misrepresented them in Pierre. With the continued support of our volunteers across the state, we are confident the ban will be overturned in November.”




    http://www.sdhealthyfamilies.org/

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  23. Anyone and I mean anyone that would defend Hezbollah in any manner has to be lableled as an anti-semite and nothing else.

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  24. US middle east policy: "...a blood soaked failure"!

    Israel targets Hezbollah but kills primarily civilians and UN observers. To call it "Unintended consequences" is polite. To liken it to Bush's strategy in Iraq is more accurate. Things fall apart; the center cannot hold; mere chaos is loosed upon the world.

    Things are so bad for Bush that only a catastrophe —Israel's disproportionate and tragic invasion of Lebanon —could knock Iraq, where some 100 civilians are slaughtered daily, off the front pages. If Bush thought a respite from bad Iraq news would help, he is sorely disappointed. A majority of Americans think the nation is on the "wrong track" and the fact that he is seen has having given Ehud Olmert a "green light" does not help his case. [See: Israeli Strike Kills 54]
    While the world watches what George Will has called an "cascading escalation" in the middle east, Iraq itself disintegrates. "Operation Together Forward" —a joint Iraqi-U.S. military operation to restore security in Baghdad —is described by The Register Guard as "...a blood-soaked failure." There is even talk of an impending coup d'etat in Iraq. If Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Shi'ite majority cannot rule Iraq, then what is to be said of the prospects for Democracy? What is to be said of Bush's rhetoric? But most significant: what is to be said of the many lies told by Bush to start the war to begin with?


    There is also talk of a US backed Kurdish minority even as Sunnis take control of Baghdad. But I wonder how the Kurds —betrayed by Bush Sr —will be fooled again. Clearly —Bush never had a plan beyond bombing, attacking, invading and blowing up stuff. Quagmires, I suppose, are to heal themselves. Meanwhile, on ABC This Week, Fareed Zacharias suggested that the US is left with but one option: threatening Iraq with a withdrawal!

    That bears repeating: the US presence in Iraq is such a debacle, such an utter failure, that the US —the chest-beating last remaining superpower —is reduced to threatening to withdraw. Perhaps Israel should similarly threaten Lebanon! It may be the only way left to win.

    In the meantime, according to a CBS News/New York Times Poll, 62 percent of all Americans, 60 percent of all independents, and 89 percent of all Democrats disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq.

    It's tempting to attribute some of that to Bush's dubious achievements in the Middle East:

    The Bush administration has ensured that the international community will fail to stop the mayhem in Lebanon by raising the bar, false hopes, and unrealistic expectations. Now, rather, is the time for practical solutions to an immediate crisis.
    The US has ceased to play its traditional role of "honest broker"; instead, the Bush administration arms but one side of the dispute with sophisticated rockets and powerful bombs

    It's time to face the fact that Bush policies, and likewise, the policies of Ehud Olmert in Israel, are counter-productive. A couple of points:

    Hezbollah didn't exist before Israel invaded Lebanon during the Reagan years.

    Bush foot dragging and unrealistic insistence upon a "lasting peace" has allowed Israel enough time to devastate Lebanon though it claims Hezbollah is its target.
    Israel publicly proclaims that its goal is nothing less than the complete dismantling of Hezbollah's military infrastructure —"once and for all". Aside from the fact that an air campaign alone cannot accomplish this, disillusioned millions, radicalized by the disproportionate nature of the attack in the first place, will most certainly emerge stronger and more radical. Even if Israel should succeed in crippling Hezbollah —the maximum achievable by an air campaign —a stronger, more radical party will emerge on the other side.

    Nor can Hezbollah be "dismantled" by an armed invasion. Now that the hoped for cease fire has fallen apart, it is difficult to see how an emerging pattern of escalation —feeding upon its own momentum —will stop short of a disastrous march into Beirut. This option will only result in murderous urban, guerrilla warfare.

    It will not render Hezbollah powerless, because it is simply impossible to eliminate thousands of small, mobile, hidden and easily resupplied rockets via an air campaign. And it will not lead the weak Lebanese government to confront Hezbollah, because the civilian casualties caused by Israel's bombing are infuriating the Lebanese population and providing fodder for Israel's enemies throughout the Muslim world.
    —Philip H. Gordon, Brookings Institution

    Israel should know better; it's been there before. In 1982, Israeli soldiers were greeted with flowers and candy. But the purpose then was to kick out PLO occupiers. But —alas —Israel became the occupier of Lebanon and stayed for some 18 years.

    If the world is lucky, Israel will have learned a lesson and settle for something less than full victory which they've defined as the utter destruction of Hezbollah. Hezbollah, however, wins if it only thwarts Israeli objectives.



    A by-product of this war has been the increasingly alarmist vocabulary even among conservative commentators. George Will —a conservative —compared the "cascading escalation" to the events which followed the killing of Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo in 1914.

    http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2006/07/us-middle-east-policy-blood-soaked.html

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  25. July 30, 2006
    The Fantasy Lives of Chickenhawks, II
    Filed under: Iraq War, News Media — maha @ 10:54 pm
    Mark Steyn needs to join Victor Davis Hanson in the Shady Rest Hospice for the Terminally Oblivious.

    In fact, the notion that “fighting” a war is the monopoly of those “in uniform” gets to the heart of why America and its allies are having such a difficult time in the present struggle.

    Translation: Steyn is miffed because some people don’t understand his service — undertaken mostly from his home in New Hampshire, I assume — is just as important as a soldier’s.

    You can have the best fastest state-of-the-art car on the road, but, if you don’t know where you’re going, the fellow in the rusting ‘73 Oldsmobile will get there and you won’t. It’s the ideas that drive a war and the support they command in the broader society that determine whether you’ll see it through to real victory. After Korea and Vietnam and Gulf War I, it shouldn’t be necessary to have to state that.

    Translation: If the war is losing support and direction, this is entirely the fault of the American people, not the Bush Administration. The American people aren’t fighting hard enough. Or maybe they aren’t shopping hard enough. Or something.

    In Iraq, the leviathan has somehow managed to give the impression that what previous mid-rank powers would have regarded as a little light colonial policing has left it stretched dangerously thin and bogged down in an almighty quagmire.

    I can’t translate that, but oh, I would so love to ship Steyn to Iraq so he can tell the troops — the ones who just got their tours of duty extended — that all they’re doing is “a little light colonial policing.”

    British and European education these last 30 years is now one of the biggest obstacles to civilizational self-preservation.

    He’s saying that liberal arts education has turned us all into weenies, as opposed to Iron Man Steyn, within whom the great warrior spirit burns bright and hot as he stands resolved against the enemies of freedom. In New Hampshire.

    I don’t believe Steyn has ever been in the military. Heck of an imagination, though


    http://www.mahablog.com/2006/07/30/the-fantasy-lives-of-chickenhawks-ii/

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  26. There ya go pastie,there will be more unborn babies killed there then all the soldiers in Iraq.You code pinkers would never condem that.Would you? The old lib refrain "every life is important to us"....oh wait minute all of them but the unborn ones."But its a woman's right to choose!" Yea to choose to have unprotected sex witha man she would'nt marry.

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  27. Sunday Talkshow Breakdown

    In the wake of the Qana, Lebanon attack, the Sunday shows generally featured predictable, counterproductive finger-pointing from U.S., Israeli and Lebanese "leaders."

    But a couple of comments are worth calling attention to.

    First is from U.S. Undersecretary of State Nick Burns, from ABC's This Week:

    This is a very sad day for the people of Lebanon. It's a tragic day.
    It points to the fact that we've all got to work very, very quickly to put in place a durable cease-fire .... so these types of incidents are not repeated in the future.


    "Very, very quickly." What a tragic joke.

    Qana would never had happened if Dubya and Condi chose to work "quickly" on the diplomatic front, instead of deliberately foot-dragging the diplomacy to allow for a longer Israeli military mission.

    While Condi was back in the Middle East this past weekend, the foot-dragging strategy was still in effect, according to a Sunday morning report in Israel's Ha'aretz:

    [Condi] Rice will not ask [Israeli PM Ehud] Olmert to end the fighting at this stage, but it is assumed at the Defense Ministry that the IDF [Israeli Defense Forces] has 7 to 10 days to continue its operation in Lebanon.
    By Wednesday the U.S. would like to gain approval for a new Security Council resolution that will call for an end to hostilities.

    Israel sources estimate the U.S. will allow a few more days for mopping up operations by the IDF.


    The Bushies thought they could weaken Hezbollah, and improve the standing of their regional allies, by stage managing a limited military campaign.

    But the botched Qana strike is scrambling the game plan.

    Israel is losing standing, as is the new Bush-friendly Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora, while Hezbollah is gaining political strength.

    And the Bushies are now "freaked out" (that's a quote, from Newsweek) because Hezbollah has weathered the Israeli assault.

    That's leading White House officials to come up with a way to get Israel to "cut and bolt" according to one Israeli report (though a seemingly contrary report indicates some in the White House are egging on Israel to expand the war to Syria.)

    While the Bushies are ad-libbing as their grand designs fail miserably, Siniora is doggedly continuing to push a grand compromise. From CBS' Face The Nation:

    ...we are ready to step in, to find a solution for the Lebanese detainees and for the abducted soldiers.
    And at the same time, we said that it's high time to look into the matter and find a solution. What is the problem? Why this thing has been continuing?

    Because Israel is still occupying a part of Lebanon. The Shebaa Farms are still being occupied by Israel. It's high time to find a solution...

    ...We've said that the Lebanese government is ready to prevail all over the Lebanese territory and to be in charge.

    And, at the same time, that no weapons are in Lebanon except that of the Lebanese authority.

    And this would be in line with the withdrawal of the Israelis from the Shebaa Farms.


    As far as LiberalOasis has seen, Siniora has been the only guy in this whole mess proposing something that involves concessions and risks on his own part.

    He wants Israel to withdraw from Shebaa Farms and give up Lebanese prisoners, but he also wants to get the abducted Israelis released and get Hezbollah to disarm.

    Granted, disarming Hezbollah serves his own interests in strengthening his central government.

    But it's still a political risk for Siniora to press the issue (especially now that Lebanese support for Hezbollah to keep arms shot up from 58% to 87% this past week), and it'd be a major win for Israel -- not to mention the world -- to make it happen without causing further carnage and political backlash.

    Supposedly it's possible for Israel to offer concessions as well, but that wasn't on Condi's schedule until the end of the week.

    We'll see if the Qana fiasco changes the schedule.


    http://www.liberaloasis.com/2006/07/sunday_talkshow_breakdown_3.php

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  28. And how do the more deranged see it?

    In Middle East conflict, other crises, conservative media find signs of Biblical prophecy of Armageddon
    Summary: In recent days, some members of the conservative media have seen signs of the Apocalypse in the escalated conflicts in the Middle East and Asia. Pat Robertson has considered the possibility but has seemed to reject it, while columnist Hal Lindsey has simply asserted: "Now Armageddon looms large before us." But as recent reports on CNN and in USA Today attest, conservatives are not the only media figures to raise the question of whether current events are a sign of the "End Times."
    In recent days, some members of the conservative media have seen signs of the Apocalypse in the escalated conflicts in the Middle East and Asia. While some, like Christian Broadcasting Network's The 700 Club host Pat Robertson, consider the possibility and seem to reject it; others see early signs; still others, including WorldNetDaily.com columnist and author Hal Lindsey, simply assert: "Now Armageddon looms large before us."

    As Media Matters for America has noted, on the July 12 edition of his CNN Headline News show, host Glenn Beck identified the current conflicts in the Middle East and India as evidence that "it is the end of days" and later described the conflicts as "World War III and the impending apocalypse." Beck also stated that "whether you like it or not, this is a religious war." As Media Matters also noted, Beck and former CIA officer Robert Baer had a similar discussion on the July 13 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, during which Baer said: "We can see this spreading into other countries. We are much closer to Armageddon." On the July 18 edition of the program, Beck referred to the recent heat wave as "the apocalypse" and after showing a photo of a cat born with two faces, Beck said it was "further evidence, oh, yes, that the end of days is approaching quickly." He then asked: "How far away from the plague of locusts are we?" As Media Matters further noted, on the July 24 edition of the program, while discussing Iran, Beck said: "I truly believe these mullahs are far worse than Hitler. ... I believe these guys are biblically evil." He concluded: "We have a series starting tomorrow on the coming of the messiah."
    In a July 22 commentary posted on WorldNetDaily.com titled "On the threshold of Armageddon?" Rev. Jerry Falwell, founder and chairman of the Moral Majority Coalition, wrote: "It is apparent, in light of the rebirth of the state of Israel, that the present-day events in the Holy Land may very well serve as a prelude or forerunner to the future Battle of Armageddon and the glorious return of Jesus Christ."


    http://mediamatters.org/items/200607260002

    Quick get your hair done and do your make-up cause Jebus is a comin and we want to Look real good when he shows up.........

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  29. TT said

    "Let me pose this open question to Johnny, Volt, FF, and the other consrvatives here: would you feel comfortable with Worf having your IP address?"

    NO!

    I would feel as comfortable as Smurfette at a beer drinking, video porno party held by all the village Smurf's on a Friday nite.

    Im not buying any of mike's, lydia's or worf's baloney for one second. If there really is a hacker, it could be one of millions of individuals.

    For all we know it could be some wacko who purchased lydia's fancy pics......Hmmmmm....shame on you mike!

    We know worf is innocent of ordering any pic's coz he's on welfare and simply can't afford Ms. Cornell's outrageous prices.....LOL!

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  30. Check this out;

    ‘AMERICAN LIE’ (The Long-Awaited Sequel to ‘American Pie’)
    By Don Davis
    A long, long time ago …
    I can still remember
    How my country, used to make me smile
    And I knew if, I had my chance
    That I would bring back, Cyrus Vance
    And maybe, we’d be peaceful, for a while

    But November 2000 made me shiver
    Paper chads in Palm Beach not delivered
    Bad news on the Court steps
    I couldn’t take one more step

    I can’t remember if I cried
    When I read the Court took Dubya’s side
    But something touched me deep inside
    The day democracy died

    So Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    And FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    Did you write the book of hate?
    Against gays do you discriminate?
    If the Bible tells you so?
    And do you believe in upholding Roe?
    Can stem cells save your mortal soul?
    And can you teach me how to talk real slow?

    Well, I know that you’re in love with Bush
    ‘Cause I saw you take him up the tush
    You can’t afford new shoes
    But you still won’t vote for Bluu-uues

    I was a lonely Dem, down to my last buck
    Working red state precincts in a third-hand truck
    But I knew that I was out of luck
    The day democracy died

    I started singin’
    “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    And FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    Now for six years we’ve been on our own
    GOP graft grows like a rollin’ stone
    But that’s not how it used to be
    When the jester acted like a king or queen
    In a way that totally pissed John Dean
    And a police state, that’s comin’, for you and me

    Oh, and while the jester’s looking down
    King Cheney stole his thorny crown
    Civil liberties, were adjourned
    No verdict was returned
    And while Condi shut out Richard Clarke
    The Neo-Cons war-gamed in the park
    And Congress sat out in the dark
    The day democracy died

    We were singing,
    “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    Them FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    Helter skelter in a summer swelter
    Cindy Sheehan in a Crawford shelter
    Two miles from the ranch, holding a faaaaaa -sssssst
    Her protest ended on the grass
    With FOX News tryin’, to kick her ass
    With the jester, in a motorcade, flying past

    Now the aircraft carrier, fore-shadowed doom
    While the jester flew in on his broom
    Bush tried a victory dance
    Oh, but he never got the chance!
    ‘Cause our soldiers tried to leave the field
    The insurgents and militias refused to yield
    Do you recall what was revealed
    The day democracy died?

    We started singing
    “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    Them FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    Oh, and there they were just, losing face
    An Administration in total disgrace
    With no time left to start again
    So come on, Rummy’s troops be nimble, his troops be quick!
    Rummy sittin’ there, just holding his prick
    Cause stupidity, is the devil’s only friend

    As I watched the jester on the stage
    His back “bunched up” like my fists of rage
    No Kerry born in France
    Could spoil that satan’s chance
    And as Iraq flamed high, throughout the night
    Killing both Sunnis, and Shiites
    I saw Karl Rove laughing with delight
    The day democracy died

    He was singing,
    “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    Those FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    And singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    I met a girl named Karen Hughes
    Who tried to feed us bullshit news
    But I just frowned and turned away
    I went down to the Congressional Floor
    Where I’d seen real oversight, years before
    But a Specter, said checks and balances, went away

    And in the streets: the ACLU screamed
    Bloggers cried, and the liberals dreamed
    But protest votes were token
    Diebold machines were “fixed,” not broken
    And the three men I despise the most:
    Bush, Cheney, Rove, in hell they’ll roast
    They all caught shit from Daily Kos
    The day democracy died

    And they were singing, “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    And FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”
    “This’ll be the day the poor die”

    They were singing
    “Hi-Hi, Miss American Lie”
    Drove my chevy to the levee
    But the levee’s not dry
    And FEMA boys were drinkin’ whiskey and rye
    Singin’, “this’ll be the day the poor die”

    http://satiricalpolitical.com/?p=218

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  31. Electronic voting machine almost gave the vote to the wrong canidate;

    Lou Dobbs is outing a Iowa county which used ES&S electronic voting as basically being mis counting votes because of a software glich (misprograming) which had the WRONG canidate winning

    UNTIL they hand counted the ballots


    misprograming could happen at the manufacturing or when the machine is set up for a particular election....

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  32. Want to see a typical repug debate tactic in action....well the foole laid it out quite well;
    -clippy

    Why thanx clippy.

    True, diplomacy is not necessarily appeasement, but obviously it can be.
    ...
    notice up to this point he is saying Diplomacy not appeasement
    -clippy

    What everyone with a brain will notice is that your statement is a goofy transparent lie.

    In my first sentence I state quite clearly that diplomacy may or may not be appeasement.

    "Diplomacy" is just a stilted term for talking with the enemy in an attempt to avoid war.

    If during "diplomacy" you surrender rather than reach a compromise then "diplomacy" becomes "appeasement".

    If during "diplomacy" you continue talking after your enemy has repeatedly broken his word and it becomes evident that you are a merely a dupe in a charade, then "diplomacy" becomes "appeasement".

    If during "diplomacy" you offer up your friends and allies in sacrifice, then "diplomacy" becomes "appeasement".

    Don't pretend you're too stupid or too much of a euro-weenie to understand this.

    /You are pretending aren't you big boy?

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  33. Don't trust anyone with anything.
    If you want to continue posting here fine, but don't go to the other site, it's all a trap.

    Nobody has been locked out of anything, all a bunch of crap to try and scare you out of this site.

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  34. SACRAMENTO, CALIFORNIA -- “This may be the worst security flaw we have seen in touch screen voting machines,” says Open Voting Foundation president, Alan Dechert. Upon examining the inner workings of one of the most popular paperless touch screen voting machines used in public elections in the United States, it has been determined that with the flip of a single switch inside, the machine can behave in a completely different manner compared to the tested and certified version.

    “Diebold has made the testing and certification process practically irrelevant,” according to Dechert. “If you have access to these machines and you want to rig an election, anything is possible with the Diebold TS -- and it could be done without leaving a trace. All you need is a screwdriver.” This model does not produce a voter verified paper trail so there is no way to check if the voter’s choices are accurately reflected in the tabulation.

    Open Voting Foundation is releasing 22 high-resolution close up pictures of the system. This picture, in particular, shows a “BOOT AREA CONFIGURATION” chart painted on the system board.

    The most serious issue is the ability to choose between "EPROM" and "FLASH" boot configurations. Both of these memory sources are present. All of the switches in question (JP2, JP3, JP8, SW2 and SW4) are physically present on the board. It is clear that this system can ship with live boot profiles in two locations, and switching back and forth could change literally everything regarding how the machine works and counts votes. This could be done before or after the so-called "Logic And Accuracy Tests".

    A third possible profile could be field-added in minutes and selected in the "external flash" memory location, the interface for which is present on the motherboard.

    This is not a minor variation from the previously documented attack point on the newer Diebold TSx. To its credit, the TSx can only contain one boot profile at a time. Diebold has ensured that it is extremely difficult to confirm what code is in a TSx (or TS) at any one time but it is at least theoretically possible to do so. But in the TS, a completely legal and certified set of files can be instantly overridden and illegal uncertified code be made dominant in the system, and then this situation can be reversed leaving the legal code dominant again in a matter of minutes.

    “These findings underscore the need for open testing and certification. There is no way such a security vulnerability should be allowed. These systems should be recalled”

    story here

    more pictures here

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  35. Foole you started you post with a statement everybody can agree on, then tried to EQUATE diplomacy with appeasement,

    and then you HINT rather openly anybody who does not goosestep with the NEO-CONS are doing the following;

    Appeasement is sitting in the safety of an easy chair rebuking your Israeli friends for defending themselves as they fight for their very lives.

    Sorry son but as far as I know I have no friends in Israel or Lebanon either...

    See foole you do not get to decide who MY friends are....even if you want to.

    You would rather we blindly accept everything Israel says like if Israel accidently bombs civilians they say:"well it happens in wars",

    except it keeps happening, which makes it look intentional,

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  36. "clippy" you may be on to something. It never made sense to me that something sinister would be taking place at the Google Blogger level. Google is a multi-million dollar business with all kinda security. I assumed this was just some technical glitch which they were mis-interpreting and quickly blaming on their political opponents, similar to the whole Wonder Bread episode.

    But it's entirely possible the whole thing was a set-up.

    If this blog becomes merely a dreary echo chamber under worf's thumb, then it's useless and boring, rather than remaining stimulating and informative.

    Cyberspace is already clogged with boring, bonehead liberals trying to outdo each other in expressing their rabid hatred of George Bush, Republicans, and America in general.

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  37. dippy said...

    Don't trust anyone with anything.
    If you want to continue posting here fine, but don't go to the other site, it's all a trap.

    Nobody has been locked out of anything, all a bunch of crap to try and scare you out of this site.


    Sorry son I know a bit better, as I have had my brother in law, download a lot of questional cookies, and programs and some sort of trojan horse from my computer, and check it out..

    He flew on the Air Force AWACKS plane and repaired their computers inflight, and knows more about software than anybody else I know, and he said

    somebody has attempted to do unhealthy things to your software, especially your internet connections and websites you visit, but maybe he does not know what the Air Force paid him to do for 20+ years,

    Do not accept what dishonest trolls say,

    Oh right your one......

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  38. FF said

    "I criticize beliefs not groups of people. I abhor any belief based upon hatred, misogyny and intolerance. Muslims, especially the women, are the first victims of Islamic beliefs.

    Shouldn't every decent person be intolerant of intolerance?

    Speaking out against Islamic intolerance is the new civil rights movement. You cowardly, politically-correct, multi-culture worshipping libs will be AWOl in this fight, just as the democrats led by george wallace stood in the schoolhouse door to block black children a generation ago."


    Good post!


    It has always amazed me how the rest of the world did nothing while Stalin starved millions of his own people to death through his collective-farm system.



    Is it morally correct, to ignore such inhumanity, for the sake of maintaining international peace???

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  39. Lydia, please do me a small favor. When you start a new thread, could you post a link to it at the current thread. The reason, as I stated earlier is that when I go to LydiaCornell.com, and then navigate to LydiaCornell.com/blog.html, it shuts own Internet Explorer. I don't know why, but it happened on two different computers on different IPs (work and home) each using a different OS. Thanks.

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  40. Clif,

    There is NO proof that anything dishonest has happened.

    Lydia says "very sad" by her first post, than goes on to say further down..."Why won't you let me post'...funny, when the last main post is dated July 31st...huh!


    I'm sure there are measures she could take if anyone is doing anything illegal.

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  41. Also on this thread, why was Mike so insistant that TT "head on over to the next post"?...nothing more than subterfuge!

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  42. One thing for sure, with Ms.Cornell backing up worf's 24/7 insulting attacks and foul language, its almost impossible to beat him, unless, of course, one is willing to throw their lives away staring at a monitor........even then, you still have to deal with Ms. Cornells cherry picking.

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  43. TT

    worf said this blog is closing shop tonite...

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  44. Johnny, see, that proves he is helping administer that blog, and even though I actually think the world of Lydia, I wouldn't trust Worf, who called for Volt's extermination, with personally identifiable information. Lydia may or may not choose to condemn his words, but I would respect her a lot more if she did.

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  45. Well, it's been a slice....LOL!

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  46. "so that there is NOTHING for the 750,000 civilian refugees to return to,

    which is a war crime under the Geneva Convention

    Intentionally targeting civilian homes ALL of them is ILLEGAL and that is what Israel is doing,..."

    -clif


    Hey clif, does that "Geneva Convention" thing mention firing missles at other countries while hiding behind civilians?

    Just curious...

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  47. Dolty boy if your neighbor is breaking the LAW does that mean you can kill everyone in his house?

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  48. She's even begginning to sound like worf....LOL!

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  49. Does anyone ELSE find it a little odd that at (what was it 1am?) That only women and children were killed?

    You don't suppose all the menfolk were out firing missles or something do you?

    Certainly they wouldn't put the lives of their very own famillies at risk would they?

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  50. Cliffy, firing MISSLES at another country ISN'T BREAKING THE "LAW".

    It's called an "ACT OF WAR".

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  51. It's slightly different than you sitting in your basement smoking pot.

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  52. Well so is bombing half of a country including areas where Hezbollah is not holding power,

    Like an international airport....

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  53. dolty boy said...

    Does anyone ELSE find it a little odd that at (what was it 1am?) That only women and children were killed?

    Not if they were using it as a bomb shelter, WHICH THEY WERE, and the men were outside on guard duty,

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  54. dippy said;

    There is NO proof that anything dishonest has happened.

    Are you completely sure of that?

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  55. It has always amazed me how the rest of the world did nothing while Stalin starved millions of his own people to death through his collective-farm system.

    Is it morally correct, to ignore such inhumanity, for the sake of maintaining international peace??

    -JMM

    Yes, Johnny. Some folks believe that the ends justifies the means, even if it means innocent people must be intentionally killed.

    Communism goes against human nature; therefore it can only be imposed through force and tyranny.

    Did you get a chance to watch the movie that all the libs are so afraid to watch?

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  56. Clit,

    I'm sure.

    All a bunch of bullshit. This would be obvious to a 10 year old, considering we are dealing with adults with the brains of 10 year olds

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  57. dippy said;

    I'm sure there are measures she could take if anyone is doing anything illegal.


    Not if they were occuring at Eblogger level, which she has NO access to, instead of her computer, see son the Blogg is on eblogger servers, which Lydia has no control over, and there fore if the Eblogger servers are being hacked at the point where Lydias Blog is she has no power to stop it, or access to the servers unless Eblogger gives it to her, learned a bit from the brother in law...

    And he as some real neat software he got while in the service he has modified to be able to check things out, interesting to watch him work,

    he has had me go to his house and blog from there, and his software captured everything that happened in or out of his network...

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  58. clif, bombing that airport served at least TWO purposes. It cut off ONE means hezbollah had to get the Israeli soldiers out of the country, AND cut off ONE means of Iranian weapons coming in.

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  59. As a soldier I would think you would approve of cutting off one of your enemies resupply routes...

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  60. FF

    Sorry, I didnt....but were going to watch it immediately. I,ll let you know what I think in an hour or so...

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  61. "Wax on right hand. Wax off left hand.



    Wax on, wax off.



    Breathe in through nose,
    out through mouth.



    Wax on, wax off.



    Don't forget to breathe. Very important.



    Wax on, wax off."


    Karate Kid
    1984

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  62. Clif,

    For TROLL-FREE blogging (without the malicious opposition trolls that personally insult people who comment here) please check out my other Progressive Blog at: FREEDOM BLOG

    For spiritual solutions to the world crises, and some amazing prayer miracles in the next few weeks, please check out RADICAL PRAYER at THE PEACEMAKERS


    I'll be damned if I visit these other sites. This one is fine with me, otherwise close it down.

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  63. Mike, lay off those burritos already, your as fat as a cow!

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  64. and as dumb as an ox

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  65. No son they were NOT flying missiles into Lebanon, they were driving them in..because to fly then with out a transport plane would be kinda hard, as the missiles the kaytusha rocket is almost 6' long and 6"n diameter, and weigh about 100lbs, kind of large to sneak on a plane, so they were not doing that, much more expedient to ship them by truck..and insurgent groups are definitely expedient

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  66. Dolty boy said;

    It cut off ONE means hezbollah had to get the Israeli soldiers out of the country

    What were they going to do with the israelis. buy them plane ticket?

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  67. clif, I'm SURE that there were more than likely planes flying in and out of Lebanon where tickets weren't required. Hell they ain't required here on private aircraft.

    And even if the mere statement is laughable, I'm also SURE our airport security might be just a tad better...

    After all, WE confiscate medals of honor from 80 year olds and breast milk from mothers of infants. (Unless they will submit to tasting it for the guards)

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  68. BTW dolty boy they definately are not carring this rocket on a plane at an airport;

    The 5.2-metre long, 240 millimeter-calibre Fajr-3 artillery rocket has an estimated range of 45 kilometres or 25-30 miles, weighs 407 kilograms, and carries a 45-kilogram warhead.

    wiki

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  69. That rocket is 16 feet long and weighs...895 lbs,

    If a terrorist can hide it and walk on a plane with it hidden...well son they got powers we don't

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  70. no clif, but they might be able to smuggle two Israeli soldiers to Iran.

    (and I'm not betting against what your talking about either)
    All they'd need is a cargo plane and a private hangar. Throw a tarp over the trucks leaving and voila! Missles.

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  71. Of course you're probably right about the missles though. They're probably trucking them in out of Syria. Good reason to take out Syria.

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  72. like someone else lamented earlier, Where IS General Patton when you need him?

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  73. Volty they would not go a public plane route, as all they had to do is drive into turkey...accross turkey to Iran,
    or into Syria..to Iraq to hand them over to Shite extremists who support then there, which either could sent them to Iran or hide them in Iraq....but that belies the reasom Hezbollah took the soldiers in the first place...to trade for prisoners Israel has from Hezbollah, which they could not do if they soldiers were in Iran

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  74. LIVE RIGHT NOW!! Ceasefire Conference Call with Congressman Dennis Kucinich
    Sponsor of a Ceasefire Resolution in the US Congress
    Monday Night, July 31st
    6 PM
    Dial (605) 772-3500
    Access code 442092765#
    Sponsored by Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles
    &
    LA Jews for Peace
    Rabbi Lerner, originally scheduled for the interview, will be on the Larry King show and may not be able to join us until 6:30 or 7:00, if at all.
    -Meanwhile, we are delighthed to host Kucinich and to learn more
    about his efforts in Congress to push for a ceasefire.

    Kucinich Ceasefire Resolution

    H. CON. RES. 450
    Calling upon the President to appeal to all sides in the current crisis in the Middle East for an immediate cessation of violence and to commit United States diplomats to multi-party negotiations with no preconditions.

    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

    July 19, 2006
    Mr. KUCINICH (for himself, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. ABERCROMBIE, Ms. SLAUGHTER, Ms. KAPTUR, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. CLEAVER, Ms. LEE, Ms. WOOLSEY, Mr. GRIJALVA, Mr. FILNER, Mr. STARK, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. HINCHEY, Mr. HONDA, Mr. DAVIS of Illinois, Ms. WATERS, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, Mr. RUSH, Ms. BALDWIN, Ms. KILPATRICK of Michigan, Ms. MCCOLLUM of Minnesota, Ms. SOLIS, and Mr. MEEKS of New York) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on International Relations

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  75. Well, like I said on the other blog. Gotta go, Hannity and Colmes...

    But between you and me clif? I bet the Israeli soldiers are dead. Probably killed them the first day or two. Israel ISN'T going to release the criminals they're holding anyway, and the live soldiers would be a liability. And if they turned up in Iran that'd be war almost immediately.

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  76. FF

    Im not even half way through the video and I'm super hot pissed. The only propaganda I see is that by the islamic jihad fanatics.

    A must see factual video.

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  77. Yes, Johnny. It would be pretty hard to fake all those thousands of angry people shouting "Death to America" every Friday at "prayer" service, as well as all the other scenes. This is a legitimate documentary.

    I used to wonder how two intelligent people could look at the same facts and arrive at opposite conclusions.

    Now I know that liberals do not want to see the truth; they immediately reject facts which do not support their "Godless" religion, as Ann Coulter would say.

    It sounds harsh but as proof, all you have to do is notice that not a single lib on this site is willing to even watch this movie:

    What the War on Terror is Really About

    Similarly, they are quick to believe any propaganda our enemies tell us, and any goofy conspiracy theory which makes America or Israel appear in an unfavorable light.

    Only the quasi-religious angle could begin to explain such willful blindness.

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  78. Well Foole..

    Lydia has said she watched it...and since I am at a place that only has dial up right now, I'm not going to try and wait til it downloads at 56K....


    however it is STILL a propoganda video made by Honest Reporting a group that is definately very ProIsrael and make no bones about the fact they try and get the MSM to shape their reporting toward that particin bent

    and they are basically doing the same thing Osama ans Hezbollah get the worse they think they can find about the US and Israel and make a video about that.

    and Israel has given them much to use lately

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  79. State of play in the Middle East: Lebanon, extensively damaged plus a half-million refugees; Syria, tired of being dissed; Israel, disproportionate. Are you kidding? Did it work last time they occupied Lebanon? Condi Rice, undercut by neocons at home? Iraq, completely fallen apart. Iran, only winner? Everybody else, mad at Bush. Most under-covered story, collapse of Iraq.

    And what do I think this is? A media story, of course.

    From the first day of 24/7 coverage, you could tell this was big. By the time Chapter 9,271 of the conflicts in the Middle East had gotten its own logo, everyone knew it was HUGE. I mean, like, bigger than Natalee Holloway. Then anchormen began to arrive in the Middle East and people like Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson -- real experts. Then Newt Gingrich -- and who would know better than Newt? -- declared it was World War III. Let's ratchet up the fear here -- probably good for Republican campaigning.

    By then, of course, you couldn't find a television story about the back corridors of diplomacy and what was, or more importantly, what was not going on there. Between Anderson Cooper and Tucker Carlson, it was obviously World War III, and besides, there were a bunch of American refugees in Lebanon who couldn't get out, and so, elements of the Katrina story appeared, Thank God Anderson was there.

    Meanwhile, people who should have known better were all in a World III SNIT over Chapter 9,271. Actually, they all knew better, but it was a better story if you overplayed it -- sort of like watching a horror movie that you know will turn out OK in the end, but meanwhile you get to enjoy this delicious chill of horror up your spine. ... What if it really was The End? I mean, any fool could see it could easily careen out of control, and when George W. Bush is all you've got for rational, fair-minded grown-ups, well, there it is.

    If I may raise a nasty political possibility. One good reason for the Bush administration to leave Chapter 9,271 to burn out of control is that this administration thrives on fear. Fear has been the text and the subtext of every Republican campaign since 9/11. Endless replay of the footage from 9/11 has graced every Republican campaign since. Could it be that 9/11 is beginning to pall, to feel as overplayed as Natalee Holloway? Fear is actually more dangerous than war in the Middle East. For those who spin dizzily toward World War III, the Apocalypse, the Rapture -- always with that delicious frisson of terror -- the slow, patient negotiations needed to get it back under control are Not News.

    All we have to fear, said FDR, is fear itself. And when we are afraid, we do damage to both ourselves and to the Constitution. Our history is rank with these fits of fear. We get so afraid of some dreadful menace, so afraid of anarchists, Reds, crime or drugs or communism or illegal aliens or terrorists that we think we can make ourselves safer by making ourselves less free. We damage the Constitution because we're so afraid. We engage in torture and worse because we're afraid. We damage our standing in the world, our own finest principles, out of fear. And television enjoys scaring us. One could say cynically, "It's good for their ratings," but in truth, I think television people enjoy scary movies, too. And besides, it makes it all a bigger story for them.

    What's fascinating about this as a media story is how much attention can be given to one story while still only about a fifth of it gets told. The amount of misinformation routinely reported on television is astounding. For example, "Israel is our only democratic ally in the Middle East..." How long has Turkey been a real republic and ally?

    The more surprising development is how completely one story drives out another. At other times, the collapse of Iraq would have been news.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/27/ivins.mideast/index.html

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  80. EUROPE-- THY NAME IS COWARDICE (Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)

    A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, " Europe--your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true.

    Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

    Appeasement legitimised and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union , then East Germany , then all the rest of Eastern Europe , where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities

    Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo , and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us .

    Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

    Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush... Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt U.N. Oil-for-Food program.

    And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement.
    How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

    I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists.

    One cannot help but recall Britain 's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".

    What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction. It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century--a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.
    His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair , acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.
    In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China .
    On the contrary--we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance ", which even (Germany 's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.
    Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

    For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy--because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake--literally everything .
    While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation.. Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".
    These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewellery when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbour 's house.

    Appeasement?

    Europe, thy name is Cowardice .
    ---God Bless America--

    hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com
    /2006/04/europe-thy-name-is
    -appeasement.html

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  82. Clif can't spell, can't link, can't think without cutting and pasting. A perfect blogger.

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  83. Here ya go clippy, let me help you out there, genius:
    this cartoon

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  84. "The islam religion will destroy all other religions through the islamic jihad fighters."

    Jordanian, Palestinian, schoolbook 1998

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  85. Clippy's cartoon illustrates the lib mantra of moral equivalence between our friends and our enemies.

    Another variation was when clippy's buddy ward churchill called the victims of the WTC massacre "little eichmanns" who deserved every bit of their fate and more.

    This perfectly illustrates the deep hatred the libs have for Judeo-Christian values, free enterprise, and Western enlightenment in general.

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  86. BTW Tiny inTellect your reposting of a right wing german column does not change the fact that He is wrong about Reagan ending the cold war,

    The berlin wal came down in 1989 after Reagan left office, and the collapse of the Soviet Union happened after the end of the Iraq defeat in the Gulf War which is the only time their more modern weapons systems faced ours on a battle field, and their tanks and planes did not stack up,

    so the question in the Kermlin became whether they retooled and tried harder, the line taken by the group that tried a coup against gorbochev, and those in the Soviet Union who wanted to put the military competition behind them and try the tact taken by Japan and Germany who arose from the ashes of WW2 to build societies that though were not a match militarily...definately outmatched the superpower with their economies, which had grown larger than the one the soviets had...and could provide a better way of life.

    That occured in 1991, long after Reagan had left the world stage, I'm not saying he did not contribvute significantly, but he definately did not win it alone

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  87. Right, JMM. The propaganda is found in the Islamists' kids' textbooks and vicious cartoons. It is hardly propaganda to show the propaganda of our enemies.

    Because this hatred is religious and so deeply ingrained at such an early age, I am not optimistic regarding how all this will play out. But covering our eyes and ears is not the answer.

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  88. FF

    Educated to a healthy amount of the information on this video, I must admit I have learned much. It does not tell us all Muslims are bad.

    It quite clear these people cant be bargained with....

    Jew hating animals, who's sole purpose is to brainwash people like worf into believing Israel is the enemy.

    Many times I have tried to point out Chamberlains weakness......to no avail.

    Im almost ready to stop being a moderate after seeing this.

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  89. fantasy foole said;

    This perfectly illustrates the deep hatred the libs have for Judeo-Christian values,


    You mean the ones BASED on the life and words of JESUS?

    which you trolls decry every time they are brought up?



    free enterprise,

    no problem with FREE enterprise, but with the repug desire to stack the deck in their favor using things like the K street project, and undercutting ways for thodse less fortunate to fight back against the rigging of the economic system to benifit the rich


    and Western enlightenment in general.

    funny you say enlightenment...and them back those who fight against the very enlightenment

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  90. If the lib's had their way, they would simply hand over Israel to the islamic fanatics; appeaseing the enemy to satisfy their hunger for what they foolishly envision would be a world of peace.

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  91. Actually Cliff, the christians dont seem so bad to me anymore. I now understand FF's frustration in our picking on christians.... there is a much bigger enemy out there.

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  92. Johnny you drank Israeli kool aid....

    enjoy

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  93. No clif, JMM just had the courage to watch the movie. Who's the ostrich?

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  94. What ostrich foole didn't you read the post where I told you I am at a terminal that is dial up and not going to spend days waiting for a movie like that to load, and will be here for a while,

    would you wait for it to load at 56K

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  95. Event a real christian, transmitting their most powerful thoughts of love would be useless against these wacko's.

    Im more convinced than ever peace will never reign in the M.E....too much hatred.

    Ahhhhhhhhh.......religion, the death of us all one day!

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  96. Johnny I don't disagree that an organised religion won't be the death of many, and that is why prefer the spiritual route instead of the religious dogmatic one

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  97. Is Castro at room temperature yet?

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  98. Not yet..but he is given up power temporarily, and that could be a new region Bush and condi have to deal with, I for one would not shed a tear if he's gone, but as the Cubans did not kick him out, they must have wanted him more than the chaos of getting rid of him

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  99. Yes JMM unfortunately, it appears that it will take some earth shattering event to bring all these folks collectively to their senses. They have lost touch with their humanity.

    But the worst thing that we can do is show weakness; they have shown a readiness to exploit any sign of appeasement. This situation is not stable. I fear it will not end well; everyone will lose, but especially the Islamists.

    The libs' attempt to equate a couple Christian fundamentalists' goofy statements with Islamists' vicious collective insanity is laughable.

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  100. Analysis: Bush Mideast stance may flop


    WASHINGTON - The Bush administration may have badly miscalculated in insisting that any Mideast cease-fire be tied to long-term objectives. As the toll on Lebanese civilians has soared, even moderate Arab governments have turned into U.S. critics, and Hezbollah's support has climbed across the region.

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    Bush's most steadfast ally, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, joined the ranks of those expressing frustration after Israel's Sunday bombing in the village of Qana that killed many civilians, most of them women and children. "We have to speed this whole process up," Blair said. "This has got to stop and stop on both sides."

    Anger was brewing all across the Arab world as the U.N. Security Council prepared to take up the issue. Calls for an immediate cease-fire were coming from traditional U.S. allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan.

    Even the democratically elected prime minister of Lebanon, Fuad Saniora — whose leadership Bush often salutes — insisted that talk of a larger peace package must wait until the firing stops. "We will not negotiate until the Israeli war stops shedding the blood of innocent people," said Saniora.

    And where Saniora initially was critical of Hezbollah, he is now praising the militant group and its leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, for helping to defend Lebanon.

    These haven't been good days for Bush's goal of spreading democracy through the Middle East.

    "I think we made a huge mistake by giving Israel a blank check," said Michael O'Hanlon, a foreign policy analyst at the Brookings Institution. "Hezbollah, after six years of relative restraint and working inside a coalition government, is accused of kidnapping a grand total of two people. A good case could be made for not doing anything."

    Yet in a speech Monday in Miami, Bush showed that recent events, including the Qana killings, have had little impact on his position.

    He once again depicted Israel's battle with Hezbollah as part of a wider struggle against terrorism and declined to lay blame equally on both sides even as he mourned the loss of "innocent life" both in Israel and Lebanon.

    "Israel is exercising its right to defend itself," Bush said. Separately, in an interview Monday with Fox News Channel, Bush said, "stopping for the sake of stopping ... can be OK, except it won't address the root cause of the problem."

    In his Miami speech, Bush laid out the same series of conditions for accepting a cease-fire that he has relied on for most of the past three weeks: Hezbollah must disarm and return the two Israeli soldiers it kidnapped on July 12, Iran and Syria must end their financial and logistical support for Hezbollah, the Saniora government must be able to exercise control of all Lebanese territory.

    Bush's unnuanced support for Israel — backed by unusual allies, some congressional Democrats — is becoming an increasingly tough sell for the United States as it presses for a comprehensive package before the U.N. Security Council.

    Meanwhile, Hezbollah "is becoming a regional icon," eclipsing even al-Qaida, suggests Mideast scholar Shibley Telhami, a professor at the University of Maryland.

    The U.N. debate may end up as a reprise of the battle that the Bush administration had on Iraq in the Security Council in early 2003 when only it and Britain, among the council's five veto-wielding permanent members, argued in favor of an invasion.

    And Blair's recent comments raised questions about Britain's commitment. Former British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw condemned Israel's response to Hezbollah rocket strikes as "disproportionate," suggesting a split between Blair and other members of his Cabinet.

    Bush was meeting late Monday with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who cut short her diplomatic mission to the Middle East without making an expected second stop in Lebanon.

    U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan had initially planned to hold a meeting Monday that would have brought together nations willing to send troops for an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force. But diplomats said the meeting was postponed to give more time for efforts to bring peace to the region.

    Bowing to pressure from Rice and complaints about a mounting humanitarian crisis, Israel agreed to a 48-hour halt in the airstrikes while investigating the Qana bombing. But, hours later, Israeli warplanes carried out airstrikes in southern Lebanon.

    "The script has not worked out the way it was supposed to," said Stephen J. Cimbala, a Penn State University professor who studies the interaction between war and American politics. "Even among some hard-core conservatives, what you're hearing now is a louder chorus of people who are saying this plan has backfired."

    Mehdi Noorbaksh, associate professor of international affairs at Harrisburg University of Science and Technology, said the United States miscalculated on two grounds in its stance on the Israel-Hezbollah violence.

    "Buying time for the Israelis" allowed violence against Lebanese citizens to rise and turned the tide of world opinion against both Israel and the United States, he said. At the same time, the U.S. position helped fan support across the Arab world for Hezbollah.

    Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record), R-Neb., who has disagreed with Bush on Iraq, said Israel's pounding of Lebanon was hurting, not helping, America's image in the Middle East. "The sickening slaughter on both sides must end now," Hagel said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060731/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_mideast_analysis;_ylt=AiLPuBMa4iFj2ZPEqRC.K8.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

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  101. Florida GOP turned back on Harris

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The state Republican Party bluntly told Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record) that she couldn't win this fall's Senate election and that the party wouldn't support her campaign, a letter obtained Monday by The Associated Press shows.

    Party Chairman Carole Jean Jordan made a last-ditch attempt in the confidential May 7 letter to force Harris out of the race for the nomination to challenge Democrat Sen. Bill Nelson (news, bio, voting record). But the next day, Harris turned in paperwork to get her name on the Sept. 5 Republican primary ballot.

    The letter came as Gov. Jeb Bush was trying to get state House Speaker Allan Bense into the race. Bense announced later that week that he would not enter the race.

    Harris rose to national prominence as Florida's secretary of state during the bitter presidential election recount in 2000 that gave the White House to George Bush. She was elected to the U.S. House in 2002.

    The letter was also signed by national committeewoman Sharon Day and national committeeman Paul Senft.

    Harris contended Monday that all three were pressured into signing the letter by "the party elite."

    "I knew the background; I knew that pressure was applied," she said. "I knew the motivation and I knew the players, and I knew they had no choice."

    The letter said: "Katherine, though it causes us much anguish, we have determined that your campaign faces irreparable damage. We feel that we have no other choice but to revoke our support.

    "The polls tell us that no matter how you run this race, you will not be successful in beating Bill Nelson, who would otherwise be a vulnerable incumbent if forced to face a stronger candidate," it said.

    Since the letter was written, three political newcomers have entered the race against Harris: LeRoy Collins Jr., son of a former Florida governor; Peter Monroe, a developer who helped manage the government's savings and loan bailout; and lawyer William McBride.

    The state Republican Party confirmed the letter's contents Monday. In a statement, Jordan said she was "disappointed" that the private letter had been made public but added that "our concerns about the race and Congresswoman Harris' campaign still exist."

    In a Quinnipiac University poll released Thursday, Harris had a comfortable lead in the GOP primary race but was behind Nelson by 37 percentage points in a general election matchup.

    The letter to Harris listed major obstacles, including coverage of campaign contributions she took from a defense contractor, Mitchell Wade, who later pleaded guilty to bribing another congressman.

    Harris has said that she wasn't aware of the illegal contributions and that she was only trying to bring high-wage jobs to her district when she tried to help Wade's company, MZM Inc., get a federal contract.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060731/ap_on_el_se/florida_senate_harris;_ylt=AvlT8kYkz4WCnmjA4oo_tDeyFz4D;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ

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  102. Cliff

    Though very tragic, I dont believe for one minute this bombing was intentional and am in disbelief you labelled it as ethnic cleansing.

    Such a tragedy only inhibits international support of Israels cause. I myself wonder if this bombing was a cleverly manufactured event....I could be wrong.

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  103. OMG

    Im so embarrassed by some of my most earliest posts....LOL!


    Anyways, unsure if tonite is the last nite I would like to post this excellent comment from a good Joe............Eric.


    Dec 2005


    Eric said...

    Johnny,

    As I stated before, I think Lydia (and some others) mean well. In a utopian world these ideas would be fantastic.
    However we don't live in a utopian world. Here, if someone smites you on your cheek and you turn the other one as well your family will be planning your funeral tomorrow. Its fine to believe in Jesus and love, but evil also exists in the world. Not everyone can be rehabilitated or retrained, sometimes evil is simply their nature.

    Peace and diplomacy work fine with reasonable people, but sometimes peace and diplomacy allows evil time to grow stronger and harder to depose. Chamberlain tried that with Hitler and led the brits into a slaughter that sucked in most of the rest of the world. Until the rest of the world is ready to turn their other cheeks we cannot.

    I don't know if many people know this, but during the cold war the USSR wasn't the only country we had our nukes trained on. We were set to take out most of our enemies as well.
    The reason is pretty simple. After an all out nuclear confrontation we would be ill prepared or equipped to defend ourselves from the other vultures who would likely descend on us in our weakened state afterwards.
    Just food for thought.

    Also, I have to admit I am quite an admirer of Patton. Who would want to live in a utopia anyway? Nothing to strive for, no new worlds to tame and conquer?

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  104. Army In Crisis: Two-Thirds of Brigade Combat Teams Not Ready to Report for Duty

    In an interview today with Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, President Bush declared, “We have a very strong military and we can deal with any threat to the homeland there is and will if we have to.”

    In reality, “the Army is showing the wear and tear of constant battle after nearly five years of war.” Rep. Ike Skelton, the ranking member on the House Armed Services Committee, recently reported:

    The Army is showing the wear and tear of constant battle after nearly five years of war, cutting resources to nondeployed forces to make sure front-line troops stay at the highest combat readiness.
    The daily assault of improvised explosive devices and a harsh environment of grinding sand and searing heat have sidelined scores of armored vehicles and combat aircraft. The Army is scrambling to "reset" the force -- an effort to repair or replace disabled equipment -- but it lacks the needed cash.
    Although the situation is not a crisis for troops fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, the military is worried.
    "I remain concerned about the serious demands we face," Gen. Peter Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, said in response to critics who say the Army's readiness is slipping. Gen. Schoomaker has asked Congress for $17 billion in an emergency appropriation and then nearly $40 billion to be spent in three years, once hostilities end.
    The shortfall is giving President Bush's critics a new opening to attack his conduct of wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, much as they did two years ago over a lack of armored vehicles to protect troops from roadside bombs. For a president who campaigned in 2000 on restoring readiness to the armed forces, anecdotal reports of shortfalls of basic equipment is embarrassing as Iraq consumes more than $5 billion a month in Pentagon funds.
    Gen. Schoomaker told Congress last month that the war is putting a tremendous stress on equipment. The M1A-1 battle tank, planned at an annual usage rate of 800 miles a year, goes in excess of 4,000 miles in Iraq. Trucks run at up to six times their programmed mileage.
    Rep. John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania Democrat and vocal critic of the president on Iraq, said front-line units remain combat-ready, but nondeployed brigades back in the States are suffering.
    "It's these units that are critically short of equipment, personnel, causing the vast majority of them to be rated at the lowest readiness level," said Mr. Murtha, who has announced plans to seek a Democratic leadership post next year.
    Mr. Murtha contends that Army units at Fort Hood, Texas, home to the 4th Infantry and 1st Cavalry divisions, lack sufficient equipment with which to prepare for deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan. Bases have had to cut operations, such as shorter mess-hall hours, to save money. Army repair depots do not have enough money to fix broken weapons systems, and the congressman said the Marines are suffering a similar plight.
    Retired Gen. John Keane, Army vice chief of staff in the early days of the Bush administration, has recently visited Fort Hood and Fort Bragg, N.C. He has viewed firsthand the shortfalls, but says that the Army overall is in good shape and can recover when more money hits the pipeline.
    "The readiness of their equipment is being degraded by the lack of a supplemental [appropriation] to return equipment as soon as possible, and it also affects the training money you have to do -- all the training they would like to do," Gen. Keane said in an interview. "They are not broken units, but their state of readiness is not as high as the commanders want them to be."
    With a good portion of the Army's 10 active divisions and the Marine Corps' two divisions either deployed or preparing to go back overseas, it is increasingly important that other units stay ready to fight another war, such as a conflict with North Korea.
    Mr. Murtha said it would "be impossible to sustain a second front, almost impossible to deploy to a second front." The congressman, a Marine Vietnam combat veteran, has said in the past that the Army is broken.
    Gen. Keane, however, "totally and completely disagrees."
    "The quality of troops is high. Morale is high. Retention is what it should be. You look these guys in the eyeballs. They are committed as anybody I've seen. The junior officers, sergeants, officers at the battalion and brigade levels are much better than when I was at their level of responsibility."
    He pointed out that the retention rates of the two Army divisions now in Iraq are well over 100 percent of their goals.
    In 2000, Bush explained who should be blamed for a military that is overextended:

    So let’s get something straight right now. To point out that our military has been overextended, taken for granted and neglected, that’s no criticism of the military. That is criticism of a president and vice president and their record of neglect. [CNN, 11/3/00]

    Today, two-thirds of the Army’s brigade combat teams are a testament to Bush’s record of neglect.

    http://www.thinkprogress.org/

    tell me again where we are going to get the military assets to fight the war you fooles are chomping at the bit for....

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  105. Johnny said;

    I myself wonder if this bombing was a cleverly manufactured event....I could be wrong.

    Israel admitted they did the bombibg and even appologised for it....

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  106. Im toast.

    Nite FF, TT, Cliff.

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  107. Hollyweird's contribution to world peace:
    Valley of the Wolves Iraq

    The film is a hideous blood libel based upon a "true story" which demonizes Jews, Christians and Americans (in other words, the axis of evil to liberals).

    gary bussey plays a Jewish doctor mengele who conspires with fellow Jews around the world to butcher and steal body organs from healthy Muslims in American prisons.

    billy zane is a purely evil murderer, killing people whenever it serves his purpose, and naturally, he's a born-again Christian who prays to Jesus for success with his demonic plans.

    Evidently both bussey and zane have sunk to such low points in their acting careers and have such little personal integrity, that they have no qualms participating in a cheap smear of Jews, Christians, and fellow Americans for the purpose of further inflaming Muslims into white-hot rage and inciting further violence. *spit*

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  108. Well, well I see that bone smoker Col. Klink is still posting gigantic meaningless tripe.Col Klink thsi guy Ike Skelton ,whose quotes you posted,is he a dem or republican? Just curious.

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  109. Yes I've been gone for a while and I'm sure Col.Klink and Slow Mike have missed me.Have'nt you boys? Where is that boy of mine wufuss/dufuss?

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  110. Noam Chomsky and his hard-Left gang of Israel bashers are at it again. This time it is about the current crisis in the Middle East, which they blame entirely on Israel...

    Chomsky claims that Israeli missiles target areas “where the disinherited and crowded poor live, waiting for what was once called justice.” He never mentions that it is Hezbollah and Hamas that select those civilian areas from which they fire their anti-personnel rockets, precisely in order to put Israel to the choice of allowing the missiles to rain down on its own civilians or to try to destroy the rocket launchers by smart bombs designed to minimize civilian casualties.

    Finally, the BIG LIE: “[Israel’s] aim is nothing less than the liquidation of the Palestinian nation. This has to be said loud and clear for the practice, only half declared and often covert, is advancing fast these days, and, in our opinion, it must be unceasingly and eternally recognized for what it is and resisted.” Again Chomsky ignores the historically indisputable facts that Israel (and the international community) offered the Palestinians a state in 1938, in 1948 and in 2001. The Palestinians responded with terrorism in each instance. The vast majority of Israelis and the Israeli government favor the two-state solution. It is Hamas and Hezbollah whose “aim is nothing less than the liquidation” of Israel. Just ask them. Just read their charter. Just look what they’re doing. But not on Planet Chomsky, where everything is the mirror image of reality, and where “facts” are made up, ignored and distorted to serve a predetermined ideological end.
    -Chomsky's New Blood Libel by Alan M. Dershowitz July 26, 2006

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  111. Tiny inTellect said...

    Clif can't spell, can't link, can't think without cutting and pasting. A perfect blogger.

    7:19 PM

    Fantasy Foole said...

    Here ya go clippy, let me help you out there, genius:
    this cartoon

    7:22 PM


    Well fantasy foole...



    if my link did notwork..



    at least for you...



    PRAISE BE



    do please tell me ,


    out of the entire INTERNET



    with the millions....if....not



    BILLIONS



    of different websites, ..


    to link to...



    DO TELL ME son



    HOW IN THE HELL



    did you find the



    EXACT



    page I linked to?




    I mean;



    Tiny InTellect said...

    Clif can't spell, can't link, can't think without cutting and pasting. A perfect blogger.

    7:19 PM




    at 7:19 the LINK does not work..




    Tiny inTellect said so...



    So....nobody can make it work,



    nobody KNOWS




    where I



    wanted them to link to.




    TINY INTELLECT SAID SO




    at 7:19 it did not work.



    But by; 7:22,



    miracles of miracles



    YOU just happened to find




    the exact site I had linked to....




    with ...NOTHING...to go on,



    out..of..the..billions..



    of..web..pages..on..the..net



    you just happened to stumble upon




    the exact web page I linked to..




    but gave no hint to




    because Tiny InTellect said



    the link did not work,



    so with out the LINK



    how'd you find it son?




    how did you discern



    what I was trying to link to



    with nothing to go on?



    It means the link



    MUST have worked at least ONCE


    otherwise...



    nobody would have known



    where I was going



    because there was only a link



    to go on.....



    NOTHING else....



    And ..if..the...link..worked



    ONE..time.



    then not so much...




    It means



    somebody has access



    to the eblogger server



    and you




    fantasy foole and Tiny InTellect



    were the only two involved





    That or you have a search engine




    that reads minds....



    because you claimed



    the link does not work...



    Tiny inTellect said so...



    You might want to tell Lydia



    how you can do that



    ON HER BLOG



    which your a guest



    and NOTHING MORE



    even though you do not act like it

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  112. TT - Somebody has access
    to the eblogger server
    and you
    fantasy foole and Tiny InTellect
    were the only two involved

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  113. I was just repeating what Clif said:

    "Because you claimed
    the link does not work...
    Tiny inTellect said so...
    You might want to tell Lydia how you (LINKED TO THIS) ON HER BLOG which your a guest and NOTHING MORE

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  114. Lydia I sent you an email about this...

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  115. Lydia, go back and read what happened. Clif posted a link that didn't work. I didn't need ESP or special powers to determine that. It was blue underlined type, but you couldn't click on it. So I said he coudln't link. There's nothing unusual or suspicious about this.

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  116. Except tt ff could find the exact website with in 3 minutes even though it did not work, that defies logical reasoning..except either it did for him then suddenly quit working...

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  117. Remember YOU said it didn't work 2 minutes after I posted a link to a webpage I have NEVER visited before that, and FF finds it within three minutes?

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  118. It was an example of a bad link. Nothing more.

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  119. Lydia if it was ME I would remove the BLOG somebody can HACK..simply shut off the comments section here, on this blog, ..and move to the one they can not, and if a couple of people do not want to move, well people have stopped posting before, and others have started, use this blog to link to your others....

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  120. Clif, your link didn't work. That's all I was saying.

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  121. wrong stupid

    because FF had the link out of Billions of webpages,

    that is not nothing


    because you can not explain


    HOW HE FOUND IT

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  122. What hacking, Clif? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that something is a bad link.

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  123. WELL genius explain HOW FF found it if it didn't work

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  124. Clif, what time was your link. I can't find it.

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  125. And well your at it, how about this?


    BTW Tiny inTellect, a question,

    Here are posts you put here before;

    Tall Texan said...
    Worf, it was pretty much this site that brought Coulter to my attention. Before that, she was just another commentator.

    I don't even agree with many of her positions.

    1:13 PM


    But you claim to know one of her old boyfriends?



    Tall Texan said...
    Mike, I was aware of her before, but I learned a whole lot more about her from this Liberal blog, believe it or not.

    I agree with much of what she says, but not all.

    The first two are from two separate threads...but seem to CONTRIDICT each other...and now we know you admit to KNOWING her old boyfriend..one who PUBLICALLY has disagreements with her?



    6:44 PM

    Tall Texan said...
    "Mike said...
    exactly Larry, notice how Troll Tex was franticly asking Lydia questions yet when she responded will good well thought out arguments he couldnt counter he ignored her responses and kept attacking her blog article with Coulter's pre-packaged one size fits all talking points and labels.

    12:37 PM"

    Hate to break it you, Mike, but I've never read any of Ann Coulter's books. I, frankly, don't even know what her talking points are. My points are my own.


    And your NOT here because Lydia called Coulter on her hypocracy and idiotic statements...

    WELL SON, you've slowly outed your self here...and NOW we know YOU are either a LIAR or a bigger foole than the fantasy foole is....

    Because you have posted statements which directally contridict other statements YOU posted....

    SO the question,

    why all the LIES?

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  126. SEE TT even if we believe you and it did not work, then there was NO way IN H*LL FF could find the webpage I linked to...

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  127. Well genius the post before your post about it not working

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  128. See son you've been LESS than honest

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  129. See son you were stupid enough to make a joke, right before he posted the link that didn't work

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  130. Why so silent BOY, can't spin miricalus links that do not work except somebody found the web page among Billions, with NO possible clues where I was going?

    act innocent, but your not as innocent as you pretend..as my post about your contridictory posts about Coulter PROVES

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  131. Clif, you deleted the post immediately before my comment, so how can I go back to it. I can't answer for FF, but he seems like the honorable sort, so ask him when he comes back here. Maybe you said something in your post that hinted at what you were going to link to, but ask him, not me.

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  132. All I can tell you is that the link was broken and I can only speak for myself, not anyone else.

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  133. The post said nothing about where the link went to...

    and it was to a website I have never visited before,

    BUT WHAT ABOUT your dishonest posts about coulter, which contradict themselves,

    They are you and nobody else

    cry innocence, but your in the middle right now,

    because your post was first...and the post I put up did work when I posted it..because I CHECKED

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  134. I always check my links after I post then to correct them if necessary

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  135. Funny the link worked at 7:17 and suddenly when you tried at 7:19 it does not, but at 7:22 FF can post it again?

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  136. Clif, you are going in circles. You said you never visited the site, but then you said your link worked. Both can't be true.

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  137. Clif, this would have been a whole lot easier to analyze if you hadn't deleted your own post.

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  138. See if FF had not been able to find the link so fast I would not be so suspecious...but it does look funny, after so many have had problems with the blog...even you claimed problems

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  139. TT try to keep up, I never visited the site before yesterday..and the one time I do, I link to it...and suddenly right after I link and check the link...it stopped working but FF can "find" it within 3 minutes?

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  140. Even you cabn not claim to believ he JUST FOUND the exact website...

    and you ignore your lies about knoing or not knowing coulter

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  141. And My post is not the problem FF's is if you both claim the limk did not work he could not have found the page...with NOTHING to go on, unless you want to claim he can read minds through a BLOG

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  142. See son I HAVE proven you to be dishonest...the only open question is

    WHY

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  143. WHY the dishonesty about what you know about coulter..

    why the deception?

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  144. I said I know OF Coulter's ex, not that I know him. Bif difference. Finally, ask FF about your magic link. All I know is that it didn't work.

    How do you know your link worked if you never visited the page?

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  145. Your a republican that is obvious...just as FF is...

    So why the deception about knowing who she is...if you know her ex?

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  146. STUPID STOP LYING FOR ONCE

    I just told you I check the LINK, so I visited the page from the LINK

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  147. you can not claim I did not visit the page because I checked the link as I posted as I always do, so I know it works..so if you say I did not your lying because I told you I did

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  148. BTW stupid IF I never visited the page where do you think I got the link in the first place?

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  149. But you said you never visited the link.

    Okay. I'm not going to spend my morning arguing about what FF did or didn't do. Ask him. I'm sure he will tell you.

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  150. And you also posted you did not know of her then you post you did

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  151. Exactally where do I say I never visited the link?

    Remember YOU said it didn't work 2 minutes after I posted a link to a webpage I have NEVER visited before that, and FF finds it within three minutes?

    5:11 AM

    If this is you claim I never visited, I may not be clear enough for you.

    so I will go slow so you can keep up


    I visit the web page for the first time...post a link to it, and check the link, all in about 2 minutes, before that 2 minutes I never was on that website

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  152. Clif, if you have so much time on your hands, go feed the hungry or do something useful. Honestly, there are better ways to spend your time.

    FOR THE LAST TIME: The link was dead and I can't answer for anyone alse here.

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  153. TTGFY I do with my time as I please

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  154. Right lier, you can post dishonestly, more than once and when your called on it act like delay or cunningham...soooooo innocent

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  155. Clif, if you have a problem with FF, take it up with him. Maybe FF used front page to see that your link was buried by faulty HTML or bad scripting, and he cleaned it up for you. I don't know. Take it up with him. All I know is that the link appeared bad to me.

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  156. See son I am the one who decides what is valuable to spend my time

    and trying to stop you CLOWNS and those you support is extremely valuable because they are the ones, who are all for MORE war when we are failing in the ones we got...

    especially getting the mastermind of 9-11, which would have done more to stop islamofascism than any fiasco in Iraq ever could.

    and they keep wanting to FORCE their religious views on everybody else, when I prefer to teach my daughter that MURDER is worse than gays..and Jesus was much more concerned about the poor than who marries who...or who they even sleep with..but the right wing religious zealots deny CHRIST to achieve the power they think they have, but people ARE waking up so you woirk is gonna get much harder, the W stickers are dissappearing in RURAL Kentucky, a very southern baptist region

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  157. And people are no longer trusting the foole who is an international embarrassment ...a hell of a lot more embarrassing than Clinton EVER was

    Becaus eClinton got a BLOWJOB..IN private

    not screwed the whole nation in fromt of the world

    and acted like a freshman frat pledge at the G-8

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  158. HOW ABOUT YOU LIES ABOUT KNOWING ABOUT COULTER?

    how about an answer..

    how about being honest

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  159. You say much against liberals...but are dishonest when you post here

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  160. Why would somebody use a website creation tool here?

    besides how would he get access to eblogger website where the webpage is stored?

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  161. For somebody who claims ignorance you seem to have alot of knowledge at times.........

    like you could not register...but suddenly when you did you were able to bypass eblogger redirects to redirect you "new" handle to a non eblogger webpage

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  162. MORE OF JOHN KERRY'S RETROACTIVE CAMPAIGN PROMISES
    By Ann Coulter
    Wed Jul 26, 8:04 PM ET

    On Sunday, John Kerry said of Israel's war against Hezbollah, "If I was president, this wouldn't have happened," adding, "we have to destroy Hezbollah."

    But wait a minute -- Hezbollah didn't attack us on 9/11! Wouldn't fighting Hezbollah distract us from the urgent task of finding Osama bin Laden?

    Democrats can't come out and admit that they refuse to fight any war in defense of America, so they utter the "Where's Osama?" incantation to pretend that they'd be doing something. To wit: dedicating the entire resources of the U.S. military to locating Osama bin Laden.

    Thus, in the third presidential debate, Kerry complained about the cost of the war in Iraq, saying the war was "the result of this president taking his eye off of Osama bin Laden."

    After making the capture of Osama bin Laden their sole objective in the war on terrorism, now Democrats expect us to believe they would have been fighting every other Muslim jihadist on the planet like mad -- just not one of the main sponsors of Islamic terrorism, Saddam Hussein. But they'd be merciless with every other mass-murdering, Islamic terror-sponsoring lunatic.

    Israel's recent tussle with Hezbollah reminds us how absurd the Democrats' fixation on Osama is. America has been under attack from Muslim extremists for nearly 30 years. Not just al-Qaida and certainly not just Osama bin Laden.

    Here's the highlights reel for anyone still voting for the Democrats:

    November 1979: Muslim extremists (Iranian variety) seized the U.S. embassy in Iran and held 52 American hostages for 444 days, following Democrat Jimmy Carter's masterful foreign policy granting Islamic fanaticism its first real foothold in the Middle East.

    1982: Muslim extremists (mostly Hezbollah) began a nearly decade-long habit of taking Americans and Europeans hostage in Lebanon, killing William Buckley and holding Terry Anderson for 6 1/2 years.

    April 1983: Muslim extremists (Islamic Jihad or possibly Hezbollah) bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 16 Americans.

    October 1983: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) blew up the U.S. Marine barracks at the Beirut airport, killing 241 Marines.

    December 1983: Muslim extremists (al-Dawa) blew up the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing five and injuring 80.

    September 1984: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) exploded a truck bomb at the U.S. Embassy annex in Beirut, killing 24 people, including two U.S. servicemen.

    December 1984: Muslim extremists (probably Hezbollah) hijacked a Kuwait Airways airplane, landed in Iran and demanded the release of the 17 members of al-Dawa who had been arrested for the bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait, killing two Americans before the siege was over.

    June 14, 1985: Muslim extremists (Hezbollah) hijacked TWA Flight 847 out of Athens, diverting it to Beirut, taking the passengers hostage in return for the release of the Kuwait 17 as well as another 700 prisoners held by Israel. When their demands were not met, the Muslims shot U.S. Navy diver Robert Dean Stethem and dumped his body on the tarmac.

    October 1985: Muslim extremists (Palestine Liberation Front backed by Libya) seized an Italian cruise ship, the Achille Lauro, killing 69-year-old American Leon Klinghoffer by shooting him and then tossing his body overboard.

    December 1985: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed airports in Rome and Vienna, killing 20 people, including five Americans.

    April 1986: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed a discotheque frequented by U.S. servicemen in West Berlin, injuring hundreds and killing two, including a U.S. soldier.

    December 1988: Muslim extremists (backed by Libya) bombed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing all 259 on board and 11 on the ground.

    (Then came an amazing, historic pause in Muslim extremists' relentless war on America after Ronald Reagan won the Cold War by doing the opposite of everything recommended by Democrats, depriving Islamic terrorists of their Soviet sponsors. This confuses liberals because they don't understand the concept of terror sponsors, whether it's the Soviet Union or Iraq.)

    February 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, possibly with involvement of friendly rival al-Qaida) set off a bomb in the basement of the World Trade Center, killing six and wounding more than 1,000.

    Spring 1993: Muslim extremists (al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya, the Sudanese Islamic Front and at least one member of Hamas) plot to blow up the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the U.N. complex, and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters.

    November 1995: Muslim extremists (possibly Iranian "Party of God") explode a car bomb at U.S. military headquarters in Saudi Arabia, killing five U.S. military servicemen.

    June 1996: Muslim extremists (13 Saudis and a Lebanese member of Hezbollah, probably with involvement of al-Qaida) explode a truck bomb outside the Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds.

    August 1998: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) explode truck bombs at U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 and injuring thousands.

    October 2000: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) blow up the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole, killing 17 U.S. sailors.

    Sept. 11, 2001: Muslim extremists (al-Qaida) hijack commercial aircraft and fly planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania, killing nearly 3,000 Americans.

    America's war with Islamic fanaticism didn't start on 9/11, but it's going to end with 9/11 -- as long as Americans aren't foolish enough ever to put a Democrat in the White House.

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  163. Jaysus, cliffy calm down. All anyone has to do to fix a link is view the page as html, look for words identifying the link, and cut and paste it into a new post with the broken part fixed. Your link never could have worked because you misspelled HREF as RHEF.

    Now since you falsely accused me of being some malicious hacker, I think you owe me an apology.

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  164. Prove it FF otherwise I still think you hacked it

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  165. Just try it yourself, genius. Go to your browser menu, View: Source. Edit: Find "this cartoon".

    I'll wait.

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  166. FF, I thought it was something like that. I've apologized for being wrong on this blog before, too bad Clif can't do the same.

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  167. Sorry son nothing

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  168. I do not see what you claimed I did...so how are you going to prove it

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  169. Clif, it would be a lot easier to prove if you didn't delete the post in question.

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  170. Well the link worked when I tried it, and suddenly didn't...

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  171. Sorry guys but that looks fishy to me

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  172. Especially when your trolls change everything we actually say to what you want us to say

    and when your called on it change the subject

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  173. cliffy, you deleted your own post. That's why you don't see what I saw. Now I suppose you'll try to blame me for what you did.

    I hope everyone will view this thread to see what incompetent, dishonorable buffoons libs are.

    First something happens that they don't understand. Instead of trying to understand it, they immediately blame eevil "neocons".

    Then when the truth is obvious to everyone, they deny it and refuse to apologize for their errors.

    Once again proving my thesis:

    Liberals are either insane, dishonest, intellectually lazy or some combination.
    -Freedom Fan

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  174. Clif, you seem like the kind of guy who would need a recipe for boiling water.

    Or the kind of guy who would f*** up a cup of coffee. And then blame it on the dog. Or Bush.

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  175. FF you have proven NOTHING unless you can explain why the LINK worked when I tested it like I do every time, see son, after I posted, and the link showed up, I tested it, because if it had not worked I would have reposted the link and deleted the orginal post..as I have done in the past

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  176. Pastie boy,dont let these two slap you around.Stand up for yourself.After all,"you served." My goodness what have we come to when we take an honored vet and treat him like this.

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  177. Guys unless you can explain the link working for me when I tried it...and I did try it..your squawking and screaching as usual about bloggers because your here to disrupt the blog

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  178. Basically your two repugs here on a blog attacking everyday what the blog is trying to discuss, and then you claim the people you disagree with, are what you do

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  179. Cliffy, have you told TT and FF about you being an adrenalin junkie?

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  180. I dont quite understand that last statement Clif.Read it out loud it sounds like someone has marbles in their mouth.What are you trying to say?

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  181. dusty whenyou actually have something constructive to say why don't you say it?

    Up to now you've been the blog pre-teen as far as your comments

    and your as good as they got today, whats the matter no real debating skills

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  182. Lets see TT is here so dusty should be, and with FF here, well dippy should be about to make an appearance

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  183. See dippy showed up as I was PROVING Presscott Bush aided the Nazi's...and the ADL did help him in the early 1930's something fantasy foole said would never happen

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  184. Yes Rusty, every time clif tries to debate a Conservative, he sees his life pass before him -- must be quite a rush for him.

    Doofus here deletes his own post and then challenges us to prove something which is now quite impossible.

    Apparently we have been too tough on Mikey. Obviously clif is far more stupid and dishonorable to boot.

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  185. Tell me, honestly, Clif, in your heart of hearts, do you blame bush for your coding skills. It's ok. This is a safe place. You can let it all out. Remember it's me you're talking to.

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  186. And If I did a search I could find out when and who was handing tiny intellect his ass ....so he had to call "dusty" for help

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  187. Clif,if your idea of a debate is to cut and paste some piece of drivel form a liberal website then I''d rather not get involved.The only time you ever use your own words is to say...repugs,nazi,troll,foole or KKK.Other then that you're out of gas.News flash cutting and pasting is not debating.

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  188. BTW Tiny since your so PRO-ISRAEL, I think you just LOVE mel gibson about now right?

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  189. Clif,you ought to grab a mitt and get in the game.

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  190. We all know that when your DRUNK you say what you REALLY think..because the normal inihibitions are off

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  191. Whats wrong with Mel Gibson? I think he's a pretty good actor and director.I thought Braveheart was a great movie.

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  192. dusty I do not JUST cut and paste, which yiou have no problem with TT doing, but since your always here TOGETHER..that might be something you have for him....and I have done rather well which FF has never admitted he does not "win" even though he claims it....

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  194. What do you think should happen to Mel? Give him the death sentance?Cut out his tongue?Cut off his hands? Make him give everyone who paid to see Passion a rebate.What does Clif think should happen to Mel Gibson?

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  195. Come on dusty you can not be THAT stupid you did not hear about mel's LOVE for our jewish brothers?

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  196. see dusty he makes a movie where he blames the jews for christs death...TO MAKE MONEY

    and when he gets drunk he PROVES IT

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  197. Clif I hate to break this to you but when you dont cut and paste every conservative here has slapped you around pretty damn good.When you depend on cutting and pasting 10 page articles we,I know I do just tire of you.

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  198. No dusty I think Mel and the idiot in seattle who shoots at jewish people should spend some time in a jail cell together

    say a couple of months for mel for recless endangerment of the people in the towns he was going twice the speed limit..and the other idiot life...mel can visit on weekends..after he gets out for moral support

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  199. Well,once again.What do you think should happen to Gibson?

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  200. see Mel pretended to be a good christian but really was another bigot in disguise

    Because people who follow the words of Christ do not hate as his words show he does

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