Monday, April 03, 2006

HOW TO GET RICH? GIVE TO THE POOR! ...and Bless the Children of Iraq * What No One will Speak Of













Saw Mort Sahl last night at the Writer's Guild Theater. He was interviewed for 2 hours by my brilliant friend Robert B. Weide, who directs/produces "Curb Your Enthusiasm" (and directed my episode, "The Christ Nail") Bob is the creator/exec producer of so many award-winning documentaries about The Marx Brothers, W.C. Fields, Kurt Vonnegut, Lenny Bruce and Mort Sahl. Sahl was not only the most risk-taking, political comedian of his day, but he is still so sharp and quick-witted, faster with a pun than any current comedian working. He says comics play it too safe these days: they're not dreamers, have no real point of view. Saying Bush is bad" is not complex enough. Everything is too homogenized and they're all scared of losing their corporate gigs, incomes and audiences. Mort is not so liberal as he used to be on some issues. He was a speech writer for JFK, Bobby, Reagan and both Bushes! He also wrote the Garrison Report, the actual Garrison Report -- and he says that both JFK and Bobby were assassinated by government officials who couldn't stand a peacemaker in the White House. Kennedy threatened the military/industrial complex. Sahl is passionately pro-American, but sees the war as a horrific mistake. He is also against illegal immigrants waving the Mexican flag on our streets. He will absolutely not fit into anyone's preconceived box. As an artist, one must always tell the truth, and there is only one truth -- sometimes hidden under the gauze of anesthesia or self-will. Going with "conventional wisdom" IS NEVER WISE! I agree wholeheartedly. All we have is our own truth, no matter who unpopular it is.

If the American people could meet the Iraqi PEOPLE face-to-face, we'd realize we all have the same heart, we are all brothers and sisters, and want the same things: peace, prosperity, clean water & air and a future for our children. The Iraqi people have expressed great affection, even love, for the American civilians, but we are not hearing any of this. Our government is not the same as the American people, and thank God they know that; after all they lived through a dictatorship, so they don't blame the people of America. There is hope if we can see each other clearly -- and not view them as the enemy. But we never hear of the people, the civilians. Our government refers to the enemy in dehumanizing terms: "an infestation of insurgents," but according to the Iraqis, most of these are just "freedom fighters" who are Iraqi civilians fighting back against the American bombings and the invasion. We never hear about the PEOPLE!!


Had an eye-opening experience on Saturday night. I attended a showing of the most amazing film "The Road to Fallujah" at the Malibu home of Earthways founder Andrew Beath. The film maker is Mark Manning — a man of great humility and NO politics. He was an unembedded journalist (and a scuba-diver) who just happened to be in Iraq right before Operation Phantom Fury, our U.S. carpet-bombing of Falluja in 2004. He was there to make a different film, and was suddenly shocked into telling this story first. Now to really understand this, Manning has no political agenda, no liberal bias. He is one of those really good people in the world. His main point is to show how much the actual people, and mainly CHILDREN, are suffering as a result of our bombings — and to show how much the Iraqi people love American PEOPLE. Manning wants to bridge the communication gap between Iraqis and American people: to show that we all have the same heart, we are all humans with the same drives, and love for our children.

He became friends with an Iraqi woman and a wonderful man named Salaam (means 'peace') who helped him bring medicine after the bombings; these refugees have no help from the U.S. at all! Right before the U.S. bombed Fallujah, our military ordered the people to evacuate, but didn't give them any place to go, and no transportation. Many people, holding hands with their children, walked out of town, over the bridge and had to find shelter. There was no shelter. Tiny children became ill with kidney and liver disease from bacteria in the water; they are still using clothing as a strainer to sift the larger particles out of the water. Many are still living in abandoned cars. After the U.S. destroyed these poor people's homes, schools, shops and schools -- it was discovered that over 50,000 families did not make it out of the city in time. The lucky ones walked back across the desert heat to come home, but first they were each given a bar-code, and strip searched. They walked in lines to get back into their town, not knowing it was totally destroyed by U.S. forces. *** One of the networks, CNN I believe, used footage of the people walking in a line, and said it was a "line to vote!" The people were on foot trying to get back in to their devastated city, with no sewage system, no food, no electricity, no running water. In the film footage, children are hiding behind walls, thirsty, dying, living in abandoned vehicles. People were sobbing as they discovered the dead and buried their families in mass graves. There is footage of people crying for their children with shrapnel wounds in their mouths and legs. A mother nursing a newborn, surrounded by her toddlers, sits in the middle of the sandy desert with no shelter, no home to go to. All because of our military strike on Fallujah. Killing an entire city of innocent civilians, to get at a few "insurgents" we believed were hiding in one or two buildings. After seeing this footage, it is obvious who the evil-doers are. It's too bad our "Christian" president isn't a Buddhist; the Buddhist philosophy is always to "cause the least harm." The U.S. has systematically been bombing other villages without the U.S. NEWS OR MAINSTREAM MEDIA reporting a single civilian casualty.

AMERICANS DID THIS, BUT YOU NEVER READ OR HEAR A THING ABOUT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES!!! Instead they keep it white-washed, antiseptic, with terms like "an infestation of insurgents". No one in our mainstream news media ever mentions the civilian lives we destroyed. Is this what a "Christian" president and a "Christian" nation would do?

The people of Iraq need our help, the help of the American people. Somehow we need to get the word out that our U.S. government is killing civilians, carpet bombing whole cities, just to get a few "insurgents" who are really just people fighting back at the U.S. to protect their own homes. On film, women and children were saying these kinds of things, between their wails and sobs: "We only fight back to save our villages; the U.S. calls our freedom fighters "insurgents" or terrorists, but wouldn't you fight back if a man with a gun was standing in front of your house, ordering you to evacuate or threatening to bomb your children?" There is nothing left of Fallujah. And we are not helping the people at all.

Manning's basic message is this: the people of Iraq love the American people; they know what it's like to live under a corrupt leader. They do not blame the people for the sins of George Bush. But the American people are not hearing anything of the truth of what the U.S. military has done to the poor souls, mainly children. This is a holocaust, and we are the guilty ones.

Mark Manning needs to raise just $50,000 to finish his documentary, so it's ready for August, before the Congressional elections. If the American people can see what the Iraqi PEOPLE are going through, we can help heal the wounds of war. Please help send any amount. Here is his website http://www.conceptionmedia.net/projects/falluja/index.html

From his website: "Falluja, an ancient city comparable to the size of Cincinnati, Ohio, has been largely destroyed by the November 2004 military action called Operation Phantom Fury. According to conservative estimates, there were 250,000 civilians living in the city of Falluja who were forced to leave their homes during the fighting, most without being given a place to go. The Pentagon has stated that up to 20% of the civilians of Falluja were left in the city during the fighting, yet there are no accounts of what happened to these people or how many survived. To this date, the majority of the city is in rubble; very little infrastructure has survived, and almost no aid is getting within the city walls.

The American attack on Falluja, and the subsequent costs to the people there, has been a humanitarian, social, moral and ethical disaster; yet the American government and media, and in turn the American public, has largely ignored the plight of the innocent victims.

The Film: The Road to Falluja is a journey from the back roads of the United States to the hard and bloody streets of Falluja, Iraq. It is the journey of one man, an average American, in his quest for the truth. It is a journey from ignorance and apathy to the essence of the human soul.

The Road to Falluja begins in the streets of America. After the attacks of 9/11, the United States was at a crossroads and when there was an opening for introspection, awakening and diplomacy; collectively this nation chose war. For 2 years following 9/11, through interviews with thousands of Americans from all walks of life and every region of the country, a picture emerges of a nation whose citizens are fearful, apathetic, and without any real facts. The film investigates the media complicity in the failure of Americans to be informed and active citizens. It shows that humanitarian and policy disasters like Falluja are a direct result of an uninformed and disengaged American public. It inspires the audience to get more educated and involved, and to understand their personal responsibilities as citizens of this world.

Great Words from Great Writer E.L. Doctorow: "I fault this president (George W. Bush) for not knowing what death is. He does not suffer the death of our twenty-one year olds who wanted to be what they could be. On the eve of D-day in 1944 General Eisenhower prayed to God for the lives of the young soldiers he knew were going to die. He knew what death was. Even in a justifiable war, a war not of choice but of necessity, a war of survival, the cost was almost more than Eisenhower could bear.

But this president does not know what death is. He hasn't the mind for it. You see him joking with the press, peering under the table for the WMDs he can't seem to find, you see him at rallies strutting up to the stage in shirt sleeves to the roar of the
carefully screened crowd, smiling and waving, triumphal, a he-man. He does not mourn. He doesn't understand why he should mourn. He is satisfied during the course of a speech written for him to look solemn for a moment and speak of the brave young Americans who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country."

“ To learn that not only you suffer, but the other person also suffers, the other group of people also suffers… when you touch the suffering in other people you want to help, and when you want to help, compassion is born in you… you don’t suffer anymore, and you are motivated by the desire to do something, to be something for other people…and that is Peace. ”
~ Thich Nhat Hahn Zen Buddhist monk, nominated by Martin Luther King, Jr. for the Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless work to end the Vietnam War

540 comments:

  1. Michael K.12:22 PM

    Oh my God Lydia thank you for this post. I will send money, all I have is $20 but at least it's a start.
    Michael K.

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  2. Lydia said 'On film, women and children were saying these kinds of things, between their wails and sobs: "We only fight back to save our villages; the U.S. calls our freedom fighters "insurgents" or terrorists, but wouldn't you fight back if a man with a gun was standing in front of your house, ordering you to evacuate or threatening to bomb your children?" There is nothing left of Fallujah. And we are not helping the people at all.

    Manning's basic message is this: the people of Iraq love the American people; they know what it's like to live under a corrupt leader. They do not blame the people for the sins of George Bush. But the American people are not hearing anything of the truth of what the U.S. military has done to the poor souls, mainly children. This is a holocaust, and we are the guilty ones."


    Lydia, your absolutely right, the American people are not hearing the truth and are blind to what is going on. The USA military is being used as a tool by this administration and then thrown away like garbage when they are no longer useful, its disgraceful, according to Bush its a time of war and yet they are not taking care of our veterans at all.

    This is for you FF and Voltaire, you and the rest of the Right Wing claim you are doing this to liberate and make the Iraqi's lives better, from where I sit that rings hollow, you guys just want to make your own lives better, Bush Co is profiting from the war every wich way, Carlyle group is a defense contractor and also invoved in oil infra structure, then as a side benefit the insure the survival of the Petrodollar, hence the move to invade Iran. if you guys really cared about human rights and liberating oppressed people from dictators and really wanted credibility you would start with a poor African or Asian country that DOESNT have oil or some other resource we want. your silence regarding North Korea is deafening.

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  3. Lydia,

    Bush keeps crying that the press is only telling about US deaths but doesn't talk about the good things going on.

    After reading your latest post it is obvious the press needs to cover this in great detail instead of trying to sugarcoat anything they can find to make Bush and his war look good.

    I hope this makes big news in time for the elections and I can only hope people start looking at the Real affects of this worthless war and the ones who cause these tragedies.

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  4. This administration's disgusting total disregard for human rights is spreading to this country as well, read below:


    9/11 Detainees in New Jersey Say They Were Abused With Dogs
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    Published: April 3, 2006

    But for Ibrahim Turkmen and Akhil Sachdeva, the image evokes something closer to home: the dogs used inside the Passaic County Jail in New Jersey. The two men, plaintiffs in a pending class-action lawsuit known as Turkmen v. Ashcroft, were among hundreds of immigrant detainees held in the Passaic jail for months after 9/11 before they were cleared of links to terrorism and deported on visa violations.

    Until now, lawsuits brought by former detainees against top American officials have focused attention on the maximum security unit of a federal detention center in Brooklyn where the Justice Department's inspector general found widespread abuse. But today in Toronto, as Mr. Sachdeva, a Canadian citizen born in India, gives his first deposition for the class-action lawsuit, the spotlight will shift to the New Jersey jail.

    There, about 400 of the 762 mainly Muslim detainees rounded up in the United States after 9/11 were held. The lawsuit charges that the detainees' confinement was arbitrary, illegally based on their religion or national origin, and that guards routinely terrorized them with aggressive dogs.

    In November 2004, federal officials who oversee the detention of immigrants facing deportation said they would no longer send detainees to jails that used dogs to patrol inside. That decision by the Department of Homeland Security came a day after National Public Radio broadcast an investigative report saying that the dogs had been used over a three-year period to intimidate, attack and, in at least two cases, bite immigrant detainees in the Passaic County Jail.

    "To hear about the use of dogs in this way within the United States is truly shocking," said Jonathan Turley, a professor of national security and constitutional law at George Washington University, who is not involved in the case. "But Abu Ghraib didn't spring from the head of Zeus."

    Mr. Turley, an expert in prison law, said in an interview on Friday that the use of the dogs to frighten detainees in the New Jersey jail underscored "the trickle-down effect" of the disregard for immigrants' civil rights that top government officials showed after 9/11. "It trickled down through military intelligence, through low-level personnel and to sheriffs," he said. "Suddenly people who were predisposed to the use of such harsh measures thought they had license to use them, and 9/11 gave them a great appetite."

    But the dogs were described as part of a nightmarish form of psychological torture by the two plaintiffs, who spoke in separate telephone interviews last week — Mr. Turkmen from Konia, Turkey, and Mr. Sachdeva from Toronto.

    Two or three times a week, they said, often around 3 a.m. when the detainees were fast asleep in dormitory cells housing about 50 men, the electronic doors would open and 10 to 20 officers would rush in with four to six unmuzzled, barking dogs on leashes. The dogs, mostly German shepherds, would strain to within inches of the detainees' faces, they said.

    "The guards would barely be able to hold the dogs back," said Mr. Turkmen, who could not come for his scheduled deposition because he was denied a visa by the Canadian government, without explanation. "The day of judgment would begin for me — that's what it would feel like."

    Mr. Sachdeva said that he found himself trembling uncontrollably, and that some detainees started to cry. "The guards who were holding the dogs used to always laugh," he recalled. "There were like four or five dogs, barking, terrorizing, and the officers shouting: 'Get up! Raise your hands! Against the wall!' One time the dog was so close his tongue touched me."

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  5. Anonymous1:35 PM

    We need to help these poor people get the word out. thank you Lydia. I will do what I can.

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  6. Did you read the Associated Press story today about the Republican Ultra Right Wingers becoming upset with Bush over Border Security, his falling poll numbers over the worthless war and his other blunders.

    Why report something like this. It is the Hard Line Right that push for wars that slaughter innocent women and children.

    It is the Hard Line Right that has gotten everything they wanted from a emotionally Bankrupt President and his equally emotionally Bankrupt sidekick who still has the same old lines that was used before the war began.

    Are we to believe that these same Hard Line Right Wingers will vote for a Democrat this fall?

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  7. Our government has used 9/11 to justify doing so much evil in the guise of good, that it sickens me, their is nothing more cowardly or manipulative than using fear and tragedy to push self serving agendas.

    9/11 is a perfect example of how hate begets more hate and how evil feeds of of itself. we had almost the whole world's goodwill and support after 9/11 and with in a short period of time this administration destroyed something that could have been wonderful with their hateful arrogant strong armed policies and tactics and total disregard for human life, freedom and constitutional and international rights.

    they claim to value freedom but their actions have proved this false both abroad and in our own country.

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  8. Lydia is right, George Bush doesn't have the vaguest idea what pain and suffering is all about.
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, that when babies and young children are senslessly killed that is nothing more than infanticide, and one of the most deadliest of all travesties.
    If Bush read the Bible as he claims, he would know the Scripture that states, that "ANYONE" that hurts the "LITTLE ONES" will suffer the plagues of the Bible...Bush one day will have to account to God for all of this, and God will truly judge his soul!

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  9. ...I attended a showing of the most amazing film "The Road to Fallujah" at the Malibu home of Earthways founder Andrew Beath. The film maker is Mark Manning — a man of great humility and NO politics...Manning has no political agenda, no liberal bias...

    Mark Manning needs to raise just $50,000 to finish his documentary, so it's ready for August, before the Congressional elections. Please help send any amount.

    -Lydia Cornell

    Interesting...

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  10. So, Zodiac Mindwarp is making documentaries now eh?

    I wonder if his band The Love Reaction is still performing?

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  12. FF said "Mark Manning needs to raise just $50,000 to finish his documentary, so it's ready for August, before the Congressional elections. Please help send any amount.
    -Lydia Cornell

    Interesting..."


    what are you worried about the elections FF, If your boys are doing such a slam bang job what do you have to be worried about??? oh maybe its that 18% approval rating for Cheney and 33% for GWB could, then there is there bizare stance on our ports and borders and immigration et al.......

    And Voltaire you should be happy as well your boys have abandoned human rights brought torture to American shores, oh i'm sorry "DEPROGRAMMING" does that sound better to you.

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  13. Course i'm sure you won't lose too much sleep over the fact that you guys were "DEPROGRAMMING" innocent people right here in America because you guys are such brave patriots and your cause is just right??. What would we do without brave fearless patriots like the WRONG Wing to protect us and keep us safe, i'll tell you I feel much safer with people being tortured oops "DEPROGRAMMED" in New York and New Jersey, not too mention Iraqi children being carpet bombed, hate to think what would happen if you brave patriots werent looking out for our best interests by doing this kind of stuff, i'm sure the Iraqi's feel likewise.

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  14. Tall Texan5:23 PM

    Quotes from Democrats on Iraq and WMD:

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998

    "This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others

    "Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002

    "Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

    "(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

    "Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002

    "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002

    "What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

    "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

    "I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

    "Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

    "Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

    "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002

    "Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002

    "Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002

    "There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002

    "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002

    "(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002

    "Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002

    "Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002

    "As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

    "Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

    "Saddam’s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq’s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002

    "Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration’s policy towards Iraq, I don’t think there can be any question about Saddam’s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002

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  15. Lydia,

    This is a great write.

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  16. Tall Texan,

    Are you related to Clif?

    The cut-and-paste wars are on...

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  17. Tall Texan7:37 PM

    FF, just trying to keep it real.

    Anyone can point to any war and find things that didn't go well, which is the jist of Lydia's post. War is messy and people get killed. Wars can also bring freedom and democracy to people who have never known it, and in the process, create a situation where far fewer people are killed and tortured. Does Lydia think that the Iraqis would be better off with Saddam back in power with his rape rooms and torture chambers? Should we allow him to kill another two million people. Her post was just pure emotionalism with the unthinking readers cheering her on. You people (speaking to the linguini-spined Liberals and Democrats) need to think more and react less.

    The fact that these Islamofascist totalotarian regimes are afraid of freedom is all the more reason to give it to them. People can handle freedom. Woman can handle voting, but I guess Lydia doesn't think so.

    America is a great country because, among many things, we sacrifice our own so that others may be free.

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  18. The DeLay era is over.

    Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) has announced that “he will not seek reelection and will leave Congress within months,” Time magazine reports. DeLay “vowed to pursue an aggressive speaking and organizing campaign aimed at promoting foster care, Republican candidates and a closer connection between religion and government.”

    http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/03/tom-delay-to-leave-congress/#comments

    The wheels are coming off faster and faster,

    Exclusive: Tom DeLay Says He Will Give Up His Seat
    The embattled former Republican leader tells TIME that he will leave Congress and not seek reelection

    Rep. Tom DeLay, whose iron hold on the House Republicans melted as a lobbying corruption scandal engulfed the Capitol, told TIME that he will not seek reelection and will leave Congress within months. Taking defiant swipes at "the left" and the press, he said he feels "liberated" and vowed to pursue an aggressive speaking and organizing campaign aimed at promoting foster care, Republican candidates and a closer connection between religion and government.

    "I'm going to announce tomorrow that I'm not running for reelection and that I'm going to leave Congress," DeLay, who turns 59 on Saturday, said during a 90-minute interview on Monday. "I'm very much at peace with it." He notified President Bush in the afternoon. DeLay and his wife, Christine, said they had been prepared to fight, but that he decided last Wednesday, after months of prayer and contemplation, to spare his suburban Houston district the mudfest to come. "This had become a referendum on me," he said. "So it's better for me to step aside and let it be a referendum on ideas, Republican values and what's important for this district."

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1179853,00.html

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  19. Another one bites the dust.
    Good riddance.

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  20. Tall Texan said "War is messy and people get killed. Wars can also bring freedom and democracy to people who have never known it, and in the process, create a situation where far fewer people are killed and tortured"

    ok Tall Texan, i'll give you this portion of your statement maybe, but the rest as well as your previous post are way of, first of all if the administration really cared about human rights and their own credibility then just maybe they would liberate some poor country in Africa or Asia that doesnt have oil from brutal Dictators and if WMD are such an issue, what about North Korea that has allready boasted and threatened they can hit the continental uSA with nuclear weapons. This administration has NO CREDIBILITY, its all about making money building up the oil infra structure and defending the petrodollar and if you guys say its not then I question your credibility as well.

    As for your last post Saddam was trying to acquire WMD in the 1990's so people agreeing that he was violating UN sanctions then was different from Bush co lying and manufacturing phony evidence to justify invading Iraq in 2002-2003, clif allready posted in the last blog about the aluminum tubes Bush claimed were for Uranium despite warnings they were not, sorry but you guys have no credibility when you claim after the fact that you invaded Iraq to help the poor oppresed Iraqi people from a brutal dictaor when 3 years ago you guys claimed it was because they had WMD and were a threat to us, do you think we are all stupid and forgot that, come on you cant make up reasons after the fact to justify attacking a sovreign nation. and as for you guys caring about liberating oppressed people if you had started your cusade to save the oppressed with a country that didnt have lots of oil you may have had some credibilty, now your using the same rhetoric to invade Iran another oil rich country changing their oil sales from dollars to Euros, see a pattern, and Cheney and the rest of Neo Con dim wits didnt even come up with any new material, its the same old WMD they are a threat to us, you guys should be asamed of your selves for supporting this pathetic group of bumbling fools.

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  21. Sooner or later people aren't going to be afraid of the Bush administration any longer.

    When that day comes, Bush and Co will face real hearings and accountability for repeated violations to the Constitution.

    The fall of the tyrant known as Delay is just another milestone in the process.

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  22. Delay was like Bush's Frank Nitti.

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  23. time to start taking out the trash!!!!

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  24. Wonder if Delay is setting up his own "rollover" on other congress officials to save his skin?

    The fallout would be fun to watch....he quit because his former senior advisor Tony Rudy flipped a few days ago, but the whole mess wouldn't have been revealed if this hadn't happened...

    What once was the subject of gossip and Internet traffic has solidified into front-page news: Miller has been cooperating with federal investigators as they bring down DeLay aides in what may be a tightening of the net around the former majority leader himself.

    According to a detailed account in the Wall Street Journal, Miller was successfully approached by prosecutors after the collapse of her engagement to Michael Scanlon, another senior DeLay aide whom she had met while both worked for DeLay. Scanlon threw Miller over for a waitress, the Journal reported. An earlier Internet account said it was his manicurist.

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/hines/3763344.html

    The Miller is Emily Miller who honed her snippiness by berating reporters while she worked in the office of Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Sugar Land, and As a State Department press official, she shoved a television camera in an attempt to cut off taping of an interview between Secretary of State Colin Powell and Meet the Press host Tim Russert.

    Somebody once said "hell has no fury like a woman scorned" and the repugs may prove that with the current fiasco......

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  25. That could quite possibly be Clif, and if so it will be funny as crap.

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  26. If it weren't so tragic.

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  27. TT reposting quotes from 2002 which were based on the lies Bush and Cheney told about the WMD proves you are a true troll, you care more about political points you attempt to make than the true situation on the ground there that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld LIED to get us into. Some of the lies like the paper that Steven Hadley had to hide(in 2004) to keep the truth from the American people while they voted for there Lier In Chief.

    Sorry but old quotes based on faulty intellegence that Bush and Cheney Knew at trhe time was dubious, The CIA had debunked both Chalibi and "curveball" by the fall 2002, and that is why Rummy took over the intel in the program called Office of Special Plans. One of the military staff members Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski U.S. Air Force, 1983-2003 here are a few quotes of hers,

    C-SPAN Interview April 2, 2006

    LAMB: You wrote one of the things that we don’t often hear from inside, that Bill Luti referred to the Chief of Central Command, Anthony Zinni, as a traitor.

    KWIATKOSKI: Former Chief of Central Command Anthony Zinni, Tommy Frank’s predecessor. Yes, he did, and right in front of the refrigerator that sat two feet from my desk.

    There was a huge contempt, and Bill Luti is not the only one. But, among the neo-conservatives in and out of the Pentagon and, of course, you can read their writings even at the time, a huge sense of collective derision, collective contempt for people that were like Anthony Zinni, people that were saying, ”We need to sit down and think about what we’re saying. We need to see how this fits in with America’s national security interests. We need to be sure that what we’re saying about Iraq’s capability, Iraq’s connection to terrorism, and anybody else’s capability in connection to terrorism, we need to be sure that what we say is checked out.”

    I’ll tell you something about George Schultz, that - there was a fax that came into the office. It wasn’t for me. I happened to get it, and I looked at this fax. It was a short note from George Schultz, who was on - who at that time, I don’t know if he still is - but he was on the Defense Policy Board, along with Richard Perle. It was a fax, a copy of a fax that he had sent to Don Rumsfeld in June of 2002, June of 2002 I believe it was. It was the summer of 2002.

    And on this fax, it was a short, one-note thing, from Schultz to Rummy. Basically, we have to get together and talk about what we do after the victory in Iraq, and this was in the summer of 2002, long before even the president and the vice president had begun their round of why we fight-type propaganda speeches.


    Note that the OSP set up an “IRAN DESK” even in advance of the invasion of Iraq. The entire IRAN invasion plan is all part of the same Israeli Foreign Policy initiative, which happens to be centered WITHIN THE US PENTAGON:

    KWIATKOWSKI:

    And in our staff meetings, of course, the Office of Special Plans folks, after they’re formed, come down to our staff meetings, and they - I consider them our sister office, and that’s how I describe them. I was not assigned into that office. I knew a lot of those guys because they shared space with us in the summer of 2002 and, of course, we saw them at our staff meetings and that kind of thing.

    Now, I have to say this. Interestingly enough, I never thought of it at the time, but, two weeks after - two to three weeks after the Office of Special Plans was set up as the expanded Iraq desk, they moved the Iran desk up into it, and that of course was headed by Larry Franklin, now serving a dozen years for apparently - I’m not sure what he did. He gave some classified material to members of the Israeli lobby AIPAC. He’s - he plea-bargained down to 12 years, so I don’t know the extent of what he did.

    http://www.q-and-a.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1069

    BTW the website set up by Col. David Hackworth carried a series of essays she wrote as the runup to the invasion was happening, they provide an interesting read....

    http://www.sftt.org/main.cfm

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  28. Good post Lydia! I was kinda saving my money to purchase all your soon to be released books. I was even going to ask FF if he could loan me ten bucks.

    But, as I have intensely studied the intoxicating plight of German refugees fleeing the Russians in East Prussia, I will purchase this documentary to help contribute.

    ...................................

    "Twice we were attacked by Soviet planes, which had been designed to destroy tanks.

    Each impact tore long, bloody furrows in the dense mass of refugees, and for a moment, the wind was tinged with the warm smell of disembowelled bodies.

    I feared for the children, who were being punished before they had commited any crime. They were lost in a state of constant fear which was justified by a world of horror, which never let them forget their pitiable weakness.

    A newborn childs tiny cries sounded like a tinkle of delicate glass through the roar of war. The wailing child seemed to regret the begginning of its life.

    Old people killed themselves, and mothers would hand their children over to another woman.

    I could do nothing except watch this tragic procession; even my life would be no help to them. I was not a redeeming Christ...

    Children, tired of calling for their mothers, collapsed into floods of tears which nothing and no one could console.

    The planes came over again, and I hid my eyes so that I couldnt see. I was only human, not God, and had no right to watch.

    My appreciation of existence was continually spiraling down toward the abyss whose depths I occasionaly glimpsed..."


    Guy Sajer ( Forgotten Soldier)

    SS Grossdeutchland Division, 1945

    Eastern Front

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  29. Delay went down today, hopefully Bush and Cheney will be impeached next, how many lies have these guys told besides the ones that we know about???


    Boy I guess the Right Wing is kinda speechless today they probably have their head in the sand, but its almost time for FF to try to deflect the heat by posting something about the elections in Iraq or about a benevolent repug saving an old womans cat stuck in tree, I look forward to your obfuscating retort FF.

    In fact I remember you saying we should lock up the corupt politicians and CEO's so I look forward to you manning up and saying to lock up your boy Delay.

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  30. Ohio secretary of state says he invested in voting machine company

    By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS
    ASSOCIATED PRESS


    COLUMBUS, Ohio, April 3 — The state's top elections official said Monday he accidentally invested in a company that makes voting machines.
    Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, who is seeking the Republican nomination for governor, said he discovered the shares for Diebold Inc. while preparing a required filing for the Ohio Ethics Commission.

    http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap04-03-211717.asp?t=apnew&vts=4320062129

    Wonder if he forgot they were running Ohio's 2004 and 2005 special election too?

    It is begining to look like watrer torture for the repugs as each truth drips out day after day.

    drip.... drip.... drip.... their power and rightousness drips away....drip....drip...drip

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  31. Jackson tops 'most foolish' poll
    Michael Jackson

    A survey has named singer Michael Jackson as the "most foolish person" in the US for the fourth successive year.

    Of 1,000 people polled, 69% said Jackson had "done something foolish" in the past 12 months.

    US Vice President Dick Cheney, who shot a man while hunting, tied for second place with socialite Paris Hilton.

    President George W Bush came next, followed by actor Tom Cruise, in the random phone survey by New York-based public relations consultants.

    Glad to hear they are near the top in some poll......

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  32. Lydia said:

    "Mark Manning needs to raise just $50,000 to finish his documentary, so it's ready for August, before the Congressional elections. Please help send any amount. Here is his website http://www.conceptionmedia.net/projects/falluja/index.html"


    Will do.

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  33. Lydia said: "but first they were each given a bar-code, and strip searched."


    What is this "bar-code" they gave them? Was injected like a tracking device they inject animals with when you adopt them from the pound these days or is it some sort of card they have to carry with them at all times? I'm curious to know because it's ringing a resemblence to being like a 'mark of the beast.'

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  34. Tall Texan3:34 AM

    Cliff wrote: "Note that the OSP set up an “IRAN DESK” even in advance of the invasion of Iraq. The entire IRAN invasion plan is all part of the same Israeli Foreign Policy initiative..."

    I get it now. This blog has been hijacked by the anti-Semitic wing of the Democratic party.

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  35. Tall Texan said...

    Cliff wrote: "Note that the OSP set up an “IRAN DESK” even in advance of the invasion of Iraq. The entire IRAN invasion plan is all part of the same Israeli Foreign Policy initiative..."

    I get it now. This blog has been hijacked by the anti-Semitic wing of the Democratic party.

    YO FOOL that is a direct quote from the C-Span show with Brian Lamb, his guest Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski U.S. Air Force, 1983-2003, she made the orginal statement because she worked there.


    Look STUPID if you want but those are her statements and she worked in the pentagon at the time.

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  36. BTW here is another nugget about the PNAC neo-cons der leader Cheney;

    Chris Mattews on Cheney's real motives;

    Let me not let one guy off the hook here, that’s Cheney, Bob. I talked to someone last night who knows better about this than anybody — off the record — who told me the first thing Cheney wanted when he got the vice presidency, during the transition of 2000, what he wanted was not a briefing on the world, all he wanted to know about, where do we stand in Iraq? He was keyed on that decision from day one, long before 9-11, and it certainly looks like these guys weren’t surprised by the decision to go to Iraq. They had it in their mind ahead of time.

    And the person he was quoting was Clinton's Secertary of Defense, the former Republican Senator from Maine, William Cohen

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  37. Seems Dead Eye Dick wanted a war before he even got there....He just needed to figger a way to get us to go along.

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  38. Dick Cheney is even a worse Flip Flopper than they accused John Kerry of;

    Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney said this is regards to President George H. W. Bush’s deciding to not invade Bahgdad during Operation Desert Storm:

    “I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We’d be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home.

    “And the final point that I think needs to be made is this question of casualties. I don’t think you could have done all of that without significant additional U.S. casualties. And while everybody was tremendously impressed with the low cost of the (1991) conflict, for the 146 Americans who were killed in action and for their families, it wasn’t a cheap war.

    “And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam (Hussein) worth? And the answer is not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.”

    In his 1992 remarks in Seattle, Cheney foreshadowed a future in Iraq that is remarkably close to conditions found there today, suggesting that it would be difficult to bring the country's various political factions together and that U.S. troops would be vulnerable to insurrection and guerrilla attacks.

    "Now what kind of government are you going to establish? Is it going to be a Kurdish government, or a Shi'ia government, or a Sunni government, or maybe a government based on the old Baathist Party, or some mixture thereof? You will have, I think by that time, lost the support of the Arab coalition that was so crucial to our operations over there," he said.

    The end result, Cheney said in 1992, would be a messy, dangerous situation requiring a long-term presence by U.S. forces.

    "I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today, we'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home," Cheney said, 18 months after the war ended.


    Guess he just got dumber in his old age.....HUH

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  39. TT why didn't you requote this part of Ltc. Kwiatkowski's statement ....

    two to three weeks after the Office of Special Plans was set up as the expanded Iraq desk, they moved the Iran desk up into it, and that of course was headed by Larry Franklin, now serving a dozen years for apparently - I’m not sure what he did. He gave some classified material to members of the Israeli lobby AIPAC. He’s - he plea-bargained down to 12 years, so I don’t know the extent of what he did.

    Because it makes you look like a fool....

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  40. A little more on the OSP office run by Douglas Feith, where some classified material fell into the wrong hands....

    Subordinate's Involvement in the AIPAC Espionage Scandal

    A subordinate of Douglas Feith, Larry Franklin, was convicted, and sentenced to 12 years in Federal prison in 2005 for charges in the AIPAC espionage scandal. Larry Franklin was accused, and convicted, of passing classified information to an Israeli diplomat and Steven Rosen, an employee of the Israeli AIPAC lobby. The ongoing FBI counter-espionage probe into improper transmission of classified information to AIPAC from 1999 to shortly before the 2003 Iraq Invasion could involve Feith , who refuses to comment on the investigation. Franklin was one of 1,500 employees at Feith's Pentagon office, and officially worked six layers of bureaucracy beneath Feith. However, while leading the Office of Special Plans Feith used Larry Franklin repeatedly for sensitive meetings involving foreign citizens, overseas.

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  41. Some interesting background on Douglas Feith;

    Intelligence Operations and Scandals

    Feith is no stranger to intelligence scandals. In 1982 he left the National Security Council under the shadow of an FBI investigation of administration officials suspected of passing intelligence information to Israel. During the Bush II administration, investigative reports by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker focused public attention on the Office of Special Plans that came under Feith's supervision.

    In the days after the September 11 terrorist attacks, Feith and Wolfowitz started cooking intelligence to meet the needs of the radically new foreign and military policy that included regime change in Iraq as its top priority.

    One might have thought that the priority for a special intelligence would have been to determine the whereabouts of the terrorist network that had just attacked the homeland. But Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense Feith, working closely with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Vice President Richard Cheney, had other intelligence priorities. This loosely organized team soon became the Office of Special Plans directed by Abram Shulksy, formerly of RAND and the National Strategy Information Center (NSIC). The objective of this closet intelligence team, according to Rumsfeld, was to "search for information on Iraq's hostile intentions or links to terrorists." OSP's mission was to create intelligence that the Pentagon and vice president could use to press their case for an Iraq invasion with the president and Congress.

    About the same time the Pentagon took the first steps toward launching a counterintelligence operation called the Office of Strategic Intelligence to support the emerging security doctrine of preventive war. But this shadowy office, whose very purpose was to create propaganda and to counter information coming out of Iraq, was quickly disbanded. Congressional members expressed their concern that a counterintelligence office would not limit itself to discrediting the intelligence of U.S. adversaries. Such a secret counterintelligence office, critics warned, either intentionally or inadvertently might spread disinformation to the U.S. public and policy community as part of the build-up to the planned invasion.

    Feith oversaw these efforts to provide the type of "strategic intelligence" needed to drive this policy agenda. As the Pentagon's top policy official in Middle East affairs, Feith had oversight authority of the DOD's Near East and South Asia bureau (NESA). That office came under the direct supervision of William Luti, a retired Navy officer who is a Newt Gingrich protégé and who has long advocated a U.S. military invasion of Iraq.

    The OSP worked closely with Ahmed Chalabi and others from the Iraqi National Congress (INC), an expatriate group promoted by the neoconservatives to replace the Hussein regime once U.S. troops were in Baghdad. Chalabi assured the Pentagon that a U.S. invasion would be supported by widespread Iraqi resistance, leading to claims by top administration officials and neocon pundits that the invasion would be a "cakewalk." The OSP also relied on intelligence flows about Iraq from a rump unit established in the offices of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon-who like Chalabi was a proponent of a U.S. military invasion and had close relations with neocons like Wolfowitz and Feith.

    Feith became embroiled in a new intelligence scandal in late August 2004 when it was reported that the FBI had for the past two years been investigating intelligence leaks to Israel from the Pentagon. The Pentagon official named in the media reports is Lawrence Franklin, who was brought into the Office of Special Plans from the Defense Intelligence Agency. Franklin, who had served in the military attache's office in the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in the late 1990s as a colonel in the Air Force Reserve, is suspected of passing classified information about Iran to the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee and Israel.

    The FBI is also investigating whether Franklin and other DOD officials passed classified information to Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress. Ledeen and other neocons, like Sharansky, see the investigations as instigated by the State Department and the CIA to undermine the credibility of the neoconservatives and to obstruct their Middle East restructuring agenda, including regime change in Iran. According to one neocon interviewed by the Washington Post, "This is part of a civil war with the administration, a basic dislike between the old CIA and the neoconservatives."


    Well we know that Franklin plead guilty don't we......

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  42. More interesting facts about Feith...

    A vocal advocate of U.S. intervention in the Middle East and for the hard-line policies of the Likud party in Israel, Feith has been involved in or overseen the activities of two controversial Pentagon operations-the Defense Policy Board, whose former head Richard Perle resigned after concerns arose about conflicts of interest between his board duties and business dealings, and the Office of Special Plans (OSP), which allegedly misrepresented intelligence on Iraq to support administration policies. Feith's office not only housed the Office of Special Plans and other special intelligence operations associated with the Near East and South Asia (NESA) office and the Office of Northern Gulf Affairs but also the office of Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen Cambone, who directed military policy on interrogations of the Guantanamo Bay detainees and then arranged for the transfer of the base's commanding officer, Maj. General Geoffrey Miller to the Abu Ghraib prison in an effort to extract more information from Iraqi prisoners.

    Seems that Feith not only oversaw the people who got the intellegence wrong but the people who created the enviroment for Abu Ghraib...

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  43. Tall Texan4:51 AM

    Karen Kwiatkowski is a nut who is rumored to have supported Lyndon LaRouche. If you are going to stand behind her, then you're nuts.

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  44. Here's Tommy Franks assesment of Feith...

    According to Bob Woodward's book, Plan of Attack, Feith was described by the military commander who led the Iraq invasion, Gen. Tommy Franks, as "the f---ing stupidest guy on the face of the earth," referring to the bad intelligence fed to the military about Iraq and the extent of possible resistance to a U.S. invasion.

    Colin Powell's assesment of Feith;

    In Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell called Feith's operation at the Pentagon the "Gestapo" office because Powell believed it amounted to a separate, unchecked governing authority within the Pentagon.

    Powell's Chief of Staff Col Wilkerson assesment of Feith;

    In 2005, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to then Secretary of State Colin Powell, publicly stated he could "testify to" Franks' comment, and added "Seldom in my life have I met a dumber man."
    When asked to characterize Feith's role in US government, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson replied "Was he nefarious? Absolutely." Colonel Wilkerson "believes that Feith placed Likud's interests above America's during his service at the Pentagon."

    Former Feith Deputy, Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, spoke of Feith's style: "'He was very arrogant,' Feith's former deputy, says, describing what it was like to work with him. 'He doesn't utilize a wide variety of inputs. He seeks information that confirms what he already thinks. And he may go to jail for leaking classified information to The Weekly Standard.' (Karen Kwiatkowski believes an article that appeared in The Weekly Standard included a classified memo written by Feith alleging ties between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda.)

    Former National Security Advisor Condeleeza Rice

    According to the long-running Washington newsletter, The Nelson Report, edited by Christopher Nelson, Feith was standing in for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld at a 2003 interagency 'Principals' Meeting' debating the Middle East, and ended his remarks on behalf of the Pentagon. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, "Thanks Doug, but when we want the Israeli position we'll invite the ambassador."


    BTW Feith was the #3 man at the pentagon outranked only by Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld.

    And the pentagon and Congress is supposedly investigating Feith;

    Officially, Feith is currently under investigation by the Pentagon's Inspector General and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (SSCI). Republican Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts began the investigation when he wrote to the Pentagon Inspector General asking him to start the review: “The Committee is concerned about persistent and, to date, unsubstantiated allegations that there was something unlawful or improper about the activities of the Office of Special Plans within the office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Policy. . . . I have not discovered any credible evidence of unlawful or improper activity, yet the allegations persist.” In an attempt to lay these allegations to rest once and for all, he requested the Inspector General to “initiate an investigation into the activities of the Office of Special Plans during the period prior to the initiation of Operation Iraqi Freedom to determine whether any of [its] activities were unlawful or improper; . . . [that is,] whether the personnel assigned to the Office of Special Plans, at any time, conducted unauthorized, unlawful, or inappropriate intelligence activities.” Senator Levin has asked the Inspector General to look at the activities of the OUSDP generally, and not just the OSP. The SSCI is awaiting the outcome of the DOD Inspector General’s review." Sources within the SSCI report Feith and the Defense Department have been less than helpful to their investigation.


    Makes you wonder why he was hired in the first place?

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  45. Tall Texan said...

    Karen Kwiatkowski is a nut who is rumored to have supported Lyndon LaRouche. If you are going to stand behind her, then you're nuts.

    Ah the swiftboating begins with nothing more than RUMORS>>>>>>

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  46. TT care to site a source for your Rumors or are you anothe rchicken-hawk who slams soldiers and their service with nothing to back it up?

    BTW facts not a wingnut blog or column.

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  47. Kwiatkowski began her military career in 1978 as a second lieutenant. She served at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska, and providing logistical support to missions along the Chinese and Russian coasts. She served in Spain and Italy, and was then assigned to the National Security Agency (NSA), eventually becoming a speechwriter for the agency's director. After leaving the NSA in 1998, she became an analyst on sub-Saharan Africa policy for the Pentagon. Karen was in her office in the Pentagon when it was attacked on Sept. 11, 2001. From May, 2002 to February, 2003, she served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia directorate (NESA).


    Where have you served TTC

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  48. Tall Texan6:03 AM

    It's interesting that Clif would ask for a citation when he NEVER provides one himself. Cliff, if you start sourcing all your dozens and dozens of cut and paste jobs with a proper citation or link, I'll do the same. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

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  49. All mine are from wikipedia your turn

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  50. BTW try reading these four essays by Ltc. Karen Kwiatkowski

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski147.html

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski146.html

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski145.html

    http://www.hackworth.com/dt005.html

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  51. Btw attacks by neo-cons against Ltc. Karen Kwiatkowski do not count.

    Do not include the following because she called them on their dishonesty. So folks like;

    William Luti, Michael Rubin, Fox News program host John Gibson(or any other Fox propogandists), Clifford May, David Schenker, Michael Makovsky, David Makovsky, Richard Perle, William Bruner, Chris Straub, Yousef Aboul-Enein, John Trigilio, James Woolsey, Kenneth Adelman, John Bolton, Michael Wurmser, Morris Amitay, Abram Shulsky, Lewis Libby, anybody associated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Center for Security Policy, Frank Gaffney, the columnist Charles Krauthammer, The Project for a New American Century, David Wurmser, Harold Rhode, Andrew Marshall, Francis Brooke, James Russell, Stephen Hadley, Paul Wolfowitz, F. Michael Maloof, are all either PNAC;neo-con(AEI) or AIPIC fellow travelers.....their views are biased toward the lies they propogated to get the war in the first place.

    As told in this article;

    http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405.html

    and here;

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_topic_areas=officeOfSpecialPlans

    in case the link breaks;

    http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/
    timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_
    of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq&general_
    topic_areas=officeOfSpecialPlans

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  52. Anonymous7:22 AM

    Republicans seek investigation over outing President's father as CIA chief
    Thursday July 14th 2005



    Republicans leaders in Washington DC today announced that they planned to ask the Justice Department to launch an investigation over the repeated outing of President George W. Bush's father as a former head of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    According to their complaint, over 5,000 individuals have knowingly revealed the role former President George H.W. Bush had as the head of the CIA.

    Based on figures compiled through several searches of newspaper records, Bush, who was director of the CIA from November 1975 to January 1977, was outed on over 35,000 occasions by more than 5,000 individuals in the press or in Washington politics. Calling the actions of those who would publicly name someone involved in US intelligence services a "moral outrage," Republicans seeking the investigation say their goal is to discourage the callous disregard for the safety of the people who have protected America by working for the CIA and other agencies.

    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist(R-TN), who lead the press conference, denied accusations that the call for an investigation was just an effort to get back at Democrats and the press over the attacks against Karl Rove for allegedly outing CIA analyst Valerie Plame. He did concede that the possibility of getting convictions for violating the law, which makes it illegal to knowingly make public the name of a current CIA undercover operative, were slim at best.

    "Listen, if the Democrats can accuse Karl Rove of violating the law by not actually giving out the name of a CIA employee who wasn't even an undercover operative anymore, then why not try our own crapshoot?"

    Frist said they have yet to decide to call for the resignation of any Congressional Democrats involved in the scandal, and will wait for the results of the investigation.

    Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-AZ) said that even if the investigation revealed any wrongdoing, he would insist that no Democrat resign from office.

    "The only reason you'd call for a political figure to resign over something like this is because they're effective and you can't beat them in an election. Since we're incredibly ineffective and have been handily beaten in Federal elections over the past five years, there's no reason for any of us Democrats to resign."

    http://www.flashbunny.org/articles/bushcia.html

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  53. Rene, the bar code is an actual card, with a bar code, just like a library card. Each person has to have one. I doubt they injected people with tracking devices, but who knows? My dog has one.

    Hey, hope you didn't mind the gay joke in my show, "Relationshop" A few years ago women were saying it was so hard to find a man, it must be easier to find a woman. Just a joke.

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  54. I appreciate your nice comment Worf. Thank you.

    BY THEY WAY EVERYONE -- it doesn't really matter if Bush is considered a liability. If we don't have paper ballots and secure voting machines, nothing really matters. I saw Mort Sahl last night, and he's turning more conservative,

    BUT EVERYONE IS WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THE VOTING MACHINES (DIEBOLD, SEQUOIA) ARE RIGGED!!!

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  55. Anonymous11:17 AM

    Oh boy,she just climbed up on the "grassy knoll."

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  56. Anonymous11:48 AM

    Hey is the blog working? I couldn't leave a comment earlier.

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  57. Anonymous11:49 AM

    Check out BRADBLOG.com for all the voting machine scandals.

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  58. Anonymous1:10 PM

    Wow... This speaks loads and if anyone who reads this is not thoroughly outraged, then we really do live in some pretty sad times in this nation. If Bush and the religious right wing who blindly support his self serving policies are supposed to be the good guys.....I don't even want to see the bad guys.

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  59. Lydia1:52 PM

    Grassy knoll? Why do you say that? You mean about the electronic voting scandal or the JFK assassination?
    Lydia

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  60. What happened to the blog before??

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  61. Anonymous2:11 PM

    Clif said...

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  62. Lydia said "Hey, hope you didn't mind the gay joke in my show, "Relationshop" A few years ago women were saying it was so hard to find a man, it must be easier to find a woman. Just a joke."

    Not sure if you were refering to Rene or not here, but i just watched Relationshop last week and thought it was good, i'm not gay, but I cant see how anyone that was would be offended by that.

    Although I have to say it sure would be a shame if someone as hot as you gave up men, i'm sure your husband would be alot more devasted than me.

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  63. Lydia said "BUT EVERYONE IS WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THE VOTING MACHINES (DIEBOLD, SEQUOIA) ARE RIGGED!!!"

    I've asked this question 20 times allready, why wouldnt the repugs want to insure the integrity of the voting process unless the really were corrupt and trying to steal an election???????

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  64. Anonymous2:16 PM

    Sounds like Mike needs a cold shower...LOL

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  65. Anony said "Sounds like Mike needs a cold shower...LOL"

    well its certainly hot here. LOL :D

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  66. the repugs are aweful quiet today, they must be in mourning over Delay.

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  67. BUT EVERYONE IS WAKING UP TO THE FACT THAT THE VOTING MACHINES (DIEBOLD, SEQUOIA) ARE RIGGED!!!
    -Lydia Cornell

    Gee, I guess I better sell all my stock in Diebold since this company will now go bankrupt, and all its officers will be put in jail. I wonder how many billions of dollars the executives were being paid for this "scam" to have been worthwhile? Who paid them all this money? Proly Tom Delay, huh?

    Who were the Democrat party chairmen in charge of oversight of the voting process? They should be canned by the voters as well. I know Brad has their names in his files, since he has so thoroughly researched this outrage.

    Who were the independent auditors in charge of verifying the accuracy of the voting machines? If a company's product is credibility and it becomes discredited, certainly it will go bankrupt just like Arthur Andersen did after the Enron scandal. I suppose all those rich audit firm partners making millions worldwide will now become paupers, since their share of a bankrupt audit company is zip...nada.

    This will also be the end of the Republican party since this will be a scandal bigger than Watergate, or anything else in the history of American politics.

    Since Brad is the only one who knows about this scandal, I guess he will become more famous than Woodward. I wonder why the NY Times failed to do any investigative reporting into this matter? They must be in the pocket of Rupert Murdoch.

    /will the uber-geniuses of the "reality-based community" swallow any silly conspiracy theory, no matter how lame? Also, if the Dhimmis sweep the mid-term elections, can we safely assume that Diebold decided to stop cheating?

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  68. clif said:

    "Do not include the following because she called them on their dishonesty. So folks like;...."

    So basically TT, you need to counter his arguments using only left wing blog posts....

    No legitimate news sources please! LOL!!!

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  69. btw FF,

    Those "people" have been waking up for how many elections now?

    Wonder just when they'll be fully awake?

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  70. This is so funny.

    The libs rig the polls to make Republicans look bad. They BELIEVE the results of said polls. Claim "cheating" or "stealing" has occured when the rigged poll proves to be wrong.

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  71. Tall Texan3:50 PM

    Voltaire said...
    clif said:

    "Do not include the following because she called them on their dishonesty. So folks like;...."

    So basically TT, you need to counter his arguments using only left wing blog posts....

    No legitimate news sources please.


    Good point, Voltaire!

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  72. Well, looks like I wont be ordering that Falluaj DVD.

    If I enter my info one more time, Im going to jump off a Fu#$%@G cliff!

    I cant stand ordering junk off the net. I swear no matter how perfect I type my personal info in to order something, the program always finds an excuse to piss me off and make me fill out the forms all over again!!

    It keeps saying this now:

    "Your ordering time has expired. Please fill out the forms again."

    WTF does this stupid, dumb, mindless, and idiotic S#%T mean?????

    :|

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  73. JMM said "I cant stand ordering junk off the net. I swear no matter how perfect I type my personal info in to order something, the program always finds an excuse to piss me off and make me fill out the forms all over again!!"

    I have problems sometimes as well,and I used to never have any, you would think things would get easier as technology advances.

    BTW, I thought you didnt have a credit card???:D

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  74. This is exactly what it says:

    "Your payment session has expired. To complete this transaction, you will need to enter your information again."


    It keeps on repeating this no matter how many times I enter my info.

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  75. Mike said

    "BTW, I thought you didnt have a credit card???:D"

    What would make you think this Mike? Ive had one most of my life; with a healthy credit I might add.....I just dislike using it.

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  76. I think with some of the new software the CC companies are using once you make a mistake it wont ever complete the transaction, i've even had problems registering on message boards because it keeps recognizing my e-mail/IP address, it frustrates the crap out of me.

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  77. I was pretty sure you said in a previous blog you wanted to order TCFC season 1 but didnt have a credit card.

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  78. I hope i dont have any problems ordering the Falluja DVD, i think my PayPal expired and I have to renew that as welll.

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  79. No Mike, I asked Lydia if I could just give her my credit card number as I know nothing about paypal....then Worf joked that I could give him my number.

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  80. Well good luck, I hope you dont get that same frustrating message I was.

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  81. All I am saying is do not use the proponents and appologists of a FAILED policy to discredit someone who called if a failure from the begining, sort of like asking the pharisees what they thought of JESUS.

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  82. Well clif,

    If you look at their recent history of winning elections I guess the libs also have a failed policy.

    In light of this please stop posting info from liberal sources.

    Thanks!

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  83. Lydia said:

    "I shared a balcony overlooking the Aegean Sea with another actress. The day I moved in, I heard noises and wandered out to the balcony, where her window was wide open and I saw this actress making love very vigorously with some guy.

    She stopped, looked at me and said, "Nice meeting you Lydia! Now get lost!" I was mortified."


    Now thats funny :D LOL

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  84. The Libs do not have the blood of over 100,000 deaths on their failed policy or hands, and since your at it let's see if their enough repugs in office in November to call it a majority....

    Two corrupt repug politicians gone Duke (bribe me) Cunningham and Tom (K Street culture of corruption) Delay, with Katherine (I didn't know the contributions were illegal) Harris, and Bob (Bribe me too) Ney, among others.......


    drip drip drip drip ...the power and richousness slip away..drip drip drip drip

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  85. Parker has loaded three semis destined for the WH, each full of pens for the presidential pardons of corrupt Republicans. They had planned to used Rummy’s sympathy machine but had a change of plan when they found that each had to be individually signed by the president. By the time that W leaves office in February 2007, his right arm will look like Popeye’s.

    Comment by WaltTheMan — April 4, 2006 @ 2:57 pm


    Best exercise since running a British policeman over with his bike.......

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  86. BTW add The deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said.

    Brian J. Doyle, 55, of Silver Spring, Md., was arrested on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.

    Seems the culture of corruption leads to strange places....

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  87. Tall Texan8:02 PM

    Clif said...
    BTW add The deputy press secretary for the Department of Homeland Security was arrested Tuesday for using the Internet to seduce what he thought was a teenage girl, authorities said.

    Brian J. Doyle, 55, of Silver Spring, Md., was arrested on charges of use of a computer to seduce a child and transmission of harmful material to a minor. The charges were issued out of Polk County, Fla.

    Seems the culture of corruption leads to strange places....

    Sounds like something Clinton would have done.

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  88. No TT monica was 22 the repugs have a thing for children,

    Serial killer/rapist Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party

    Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

    Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

    Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

    Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

    Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.

    Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

    Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

    Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.

    Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

    Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

    Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

    Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks, an advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

    Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

    Republican preacher Stephen White was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

    Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.

    Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

    Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

    Republican St. Louis Election Board official Kevin Coan was arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet.

    Republican politician Andrew Buhr, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

    Republican politician Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative, was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

    Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15 year old girl.

    Republican legislator, Richard Gardner, a Nevada state representative, admitted to molesting his two daughters.

    Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

    Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

    Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

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  89. Clif said...

    "The Libs do not have the blood of over 100,000 deaths on their failed policy or hands, ..."

    Yeah, that figure is a little low. What was it, 3 million who Pol pot killed when we pulled out of nam?

    How many million is acceptable to you if we pull out of Iraq now?

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  90. Tall Texan8:23 PM

    Democratic President Bill Clinton RAPED Juanita Broderick.

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  91. Since we started both wars maybe we should learn not to start them and then all the blood would not have to flow, voltair.... and TT was he CONVICTED like those on the list I posted or is that another AEI smear campaign like Ken Starr ran for years before Monica even happened?

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  92. Tall Texan8:27 PM

    William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate

    Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

    Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

    DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

    Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

    Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

    James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

    Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

    Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

    Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

    Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

    Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

    Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

    George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

    Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

    John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

    Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

    James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

    Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

    Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

    Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

    Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

    Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

    John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

    John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

    Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

    Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

    Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

    Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

    Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

    Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

    Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

    Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

    Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

    Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

    David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

    Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

    Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

    Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

    Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

    James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

    John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

    Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

    David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

    John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

    Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

    Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

    Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

    Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

    Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

    David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

    James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

    Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

    William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

    Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

    Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

    Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

    Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.

    Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

    Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

    Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

    Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

    Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

    Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

    Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

    Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

    Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

    Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

    Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.

    George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

    Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1873. Indicted in on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

    Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

    Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

    Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.

    Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

    Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.



    http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

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  93. TT 27 repugs on the list I posted about pedophlia and child porn...yours 1, as John Stwert might say my list lots your not so much, thus it does seem molesting children is a repug thang doesn't it?

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  94. Tall Texan8:43 PM

    I see I'm debating someone who thinks Jon Stewart is real news.

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  95. No just smarter than you dingleberry

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  96. BTW John Stewert's show has morw truthiness than FAUX cable propoganda extrodinair, given the number of times O'liely and Rush have blatently lied it boggles the mind any body but a Kool aid drinking dufuss would listen let alone actually believe them any more.....

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  97. But then again O'Liely is hiding the falafel tape and Rush is hiding the scripts from all those doctors, maybe they have tooooo much to cover up to get all the facts straight.....ya thunk?

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  98. GAO criticizes Bush’s AIDS plan
    Abstinence-and-fidelity provision sowing confusion, report says

    The requirement that a large fraction of President Bush's global AIDS plan go to promote abstinence and fidelity is causing confusion in many countries and in a few is eroding other prevention efforts, including ones to reduce mother-to-child transmission of the virus.

    Arguing abstinence to a pregnant womwan is kinda late don't ya think...obviously George don't...;

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12158276/

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  99. Jon Stewart is better than real news.

    Its real life.

    And if you watched him interview Studs Terkel this evening, you got a real sweet slice of it.

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  100. give it up Tall Texan, Clif posted about 27 Repugs that were pedophiles and you pull the old bait and switch and post about Democrats convicted of any type of offense, if Clif had posted about all the repugs convicted of anything, the server would have burned out from the list being so long.

    Why do you guys keep trying to shift the focus by comparing apples to oranges, are you guys really that desperate???

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  101. Mike they're beyond desparate.

    Their heyday has run its course.

    Party's over dude.

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  102. drip drip drip drip plus Kathrine Harris has hires one of Tommy boys old mouth pieces for her campaign ...NOW THAT IS DESPIRASTION

    Katherine Harris hires new campaign team for senate campaign

    ASSOCIATED PRESS


    TALLAHASSEE, Fla., April 4 — Rep. Katherine Harris named her new U.S. Senate campaign team Tuesday, after her core staff resigned over the weekend.
    James Lafferty, a onetime press secretary for former Majority Leader Tom DeLay, was named senior adviser. Lafferty replaces Ed Rollins, a Republican strategist who was Reagan's political director.

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  103. These guys are Volksturm.

    Firing their last measly shots from their puny rifles.

    The cheiftans are falling, the invading army known as truth, is rapidly approaching and the people no longer believe in the carefully crafted nightmare.

    All we need to do now is make sure these bozo's don't start WW3 before we get them all out.

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  104. yeah but i'm so sick of their apples to oranges comparisons or painting people who dont agree with them as unpatriotic... blah blah blah.....

    their arguments get weaker and weaker, I havent heard these guys give me one legitimate reason how the war in Iraq is making us safer or improving the Iraqi's lives, sure they parrot GWB's and Cheney's rhetoric that the Iraqi's are free and embracing democracy but what does that mean and how has it made us safer and made the Iraqi's lives better??? FF and voltaire and TT have not once made a coherent argument to support this assertion and i'm calling them out and challenging them to make one, and not one of Bush's or Cheney's BS phony patriotic "they are free" statements that mean nothing I want to hear a logical and coherent argument on how the war is benefiting us or the Iraqi's because from where I sit it is an abomination.

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  105. anyone have trouble getting into the blog today, i'm wondering if there were problems with the blog, or it was the new network they installed where I work.

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  106. Believe me, I feel your pain Mike.

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  107. You need a troll-ectomy.

    :D

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  108. The trolls here have NOTHING on the national idiots parade, this is a quote from Daniel Pipes a neo-con chicken-hawk who called for the war and then has the GALL to say;

    Pipes calls war a success



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    By Bill Steigerwald
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Saturday, April 1, 2006

    It's no surprise Middle East scholar Daniel Pipes has made so many political friends and enemies. A conservative columnist, counter-terrorism analyst and author or co-author of 18 books, he's a staunch supporter of Israel and a harsh critic of radical Islam.

    and some answers to questions,

    Q: What is the biggest lesson you have learned from the Iraq war?

    A: The ingratitude of the Iraqis for the extraordinary favor we gave them -- to release them from the bondage of Saddam Hussein's tyranny. They have rapidly interpreted it as something they did and that we were incidental to it. They've more or less written us out of the picture.

    Q: How will we know when the occupation or the invasion of Iraq was a success or a failure?

    A: Oh, it was a success. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. Beyond that is icing.

    http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_438935.html

    Yes blowing most of the infrastructure to bits, killing around 100,000 people creating conditions where outside agitators are welcome, sectarian violance is the norm, and the standard of living is falling while violence is increasing, they are really ingrateful for that sucess....

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  109. Tall Texan4:02 AM

    No long list of low-level GOP personnel can overcome a list of just two:

    Ted Kennedy: murderer

    Bill Clinton: rapist

    Here's the thing I really can't believe: in a previous post, I jokingly lamented that you Democrats probably think Jon Stewart is real news, and then a bunch of you come back seriously touting his show as more truthful than the various cable news outlets. It's comical. Now I get why people who live in fantasy land have lost the House, the Senate, the presidency, and now the Supreme Court.

    And, please, don't back with what you are GOING to do. When or if it happens, let me know. Results are always more persuasive than idle boasts. If I recall correctly, you guys boasted of winning back the House, Senate and presidency in 2004 as well. It didn't happen. All we get are sour-grapes posts from Lydia about about how the voting machines are fixed. Grassy knoll stuff indeed.

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  110. Pipes? His last name is Pipes?

    Sounds like he's been smoking that pipe.

    That is if he thinks the clusterf##$k in Iraq is some kind of success.

    I'd hate to be around him when he succeeds at something else.

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  111. TT said "And, please, don't back with what you are GOING to do. When or if it happens, let me know. Results are always more persuasive than idle boasts. If I recall correctly, you guys boasted of winning back the House, Senate and presidency in 2004 as well. It didn't happen. All we get are sour-grapes posts from Lydia about about how the voting machines are fixed. Grassy knoll stuff indeed."

    You guys keep using that moronic "Grassy Knoll" analogy TT, if the claim of compromised voting machines are so outlandish it seems it would be pretty easy for you brave patriots to take that argument away from us and make it null and void, all you guys would have to do is: 1) provide conclusive independent tests that verify that under no circumstances can the voting machines be compromised and the votes altered or 2) switch to a different machine or form of voting that cant be compromised (ie with paper trail also) but yet you dont, in fact Diebold and the Election Committee's as wel;l as prominent repugs wont even talk to the press and are clearly dodging and evading the issue, if they were really on the up and up and had nothing to hide why would they be afraid to talk to the press or prove that product is what they say it is.

    I wont hold my breath waiting for an answer just like I didnt about the real benefits of the Iraqi war to us and the Iraqi's, once again your silence speaks volumes. Better think up a clever barb to change the topic with now. :D

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  112. Tall texan you are none too bright are you?

    Political satire to emphasize reality has been around since the founding of this nation, and before. In fact, political cartoons and satire have been known to turn the tides of public debate, and expose glaring truths.

    The problem with you and your republican buddies, is that you're just none too bright.

    Lowbrows who try to lower the bar for everyone else

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  113. Tall Texan9:40 AM

    You guys amaze me. Your only "proof" that the machines are fixed is that you can't accept that you lost. Either that or you took a Jon Stewart joke as reality.

    Since Lydia is the one who made that claim, perhaps she could come up with an analysis to support her position, and we can only hope that her analysis is only slightly better than Sara Rush's analysis of the situation in the Middle East, but I'm not holding my breath.

    I think what we might get is just pages and pages of crap from Clif that proves nothing.

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  114. here you go Tall Texan, here's a test as well as article to support the position enjoy:

    South Florida Sun Sentinel Sunday March 26, 2006 by Howaqrd Goodman
    hgoodman@sunsentinel.com (561)243-6638

    Vote Macines can't Go Wrong, Go Wrong, Go Wrong

    Its Simple in close elections, we need to be able to recount the votes. thats most obvious in Palm Beach County, where voters booted out the long serving supervisor of elections, Theresa lePorem in 2004 partly because she didnt think the new touch screen technology, brought in to replace those disasterous punch cards, needs paper backups.

    unfortunately the paper trail has gone cold under lePore's successor. Instead of leading the charge for change, Arthur Anderson is taking it slow.

    But Anderson's complacency isnt the only roadblock to a paper trail.

    Here's a potentially bigger hurdle: Florida has rewritten its election law to eliminate almost all manual recounts in touch screen voting.

    The reasoning is that the computerized touch screens are incapable of error. After all the machine wont let you overvote or undervote,-that is vote for too many candidates or unintentionally leave blanks, the major problems in past election challenges.

    Just one problem, the machines can be wrong. Ion Sancho, Leon County elections heaqd since 1988, is a self described maverick and stickler for making every vote count. In the shambles of 2000, voting here went virtually error free.

    Last year, sancho discovered the supposedly impossible- that Diebold election Systems touch screens and optical scanning machines had serious security flaws.

    And now he;s paying for his audacity. Possibly with his job. sancho challenged hackers to break into his voting machines four times. They always succeeded.

    in December for example, a Finnish security whiz named Harri Hursti manipulated a memory card that records votes in an optical scanning machine that uses a technology similar to a touch screen machine's.

    Sancho tested the results with a little in-house referendum. The question was: "Can the votes on this Diebold system be hacked using a memory card?"

    Most of the veight participants filled out their paper ballots "No"

    but guess what? The Machine that read the votes gave the victory to "yes"

    sancho raised alarms, florida Secretary of state Sue Cobb, a Jeb Bush appointee, ignored him. and then took away a $564,000 federal grant for disabled-accessible voting machinery.

    but in Calafornia, where Diebold machines are in wide use, top elections officials heard about Hursti's experiment and commissioned a study. Researchers in Berkely confirmed: Someone could easily gain access to the system, change votes and leave no trace.

    "the only way to detect and correct the problem "they reported last month, "would be by recount of the original paper ballots"

    Assuming there are paper ballots.

    Diebold now refuses to deal with Leon County. So do the other two manufacturers authorized by Florida, Election systems and Software and Sequoia Voting System (which makes Palm Beach County's equipment). Both cite business reasons.

    Sancho says he's been "blackballed". A Miami election-reform group agrees and wants Attorney General Charlie Christ to investigate.

    If this werent trouble enough, Cobb has threatened Sancho with legal action for missing a deadline to obtain accessible voting machines. Worst case, the state senate could remove him from office.

    "Excuse me?" Sancho argues. "You set up a monopoly by telling me I can only buy three machines? And now i'm a derelictbecause the manufacture's wont sell to me because i've exposed security flaws?

    "There's something wrong with this picture"

    Sure is.

    And how's this for Irony? After California verified Sancho's finding, Florida's Elections Supervisor issued a "technical advisory" on March 3 urging a tightning of security procedures for "all voting systems deployed in Florida"

    Not one word acknowledging Sancho or Leon County's role in flushing this problem out.

    Sancho is rare among Florida's 67 elections supervisors in challenging the industry's claims of inerrancy. "All of these systems are very complex" he notes, "One switch gets improperly pushed and you have what they call a glitch or a snafu or a hiccup.

    "Actually you have a problem thats depriving a citizen of his vote"

    By raising the right questions about the new voting technology, this official in a distant county has performed a crucial public servive for all of us.

    Sancho should be hailed as a hero. Instead, he is an object lesson in the perils of blowing the whistle.

    6:33 PM

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  115. BTW, I included the reporters e-mail and contact number in case you would like to dispute anything with him, being that you are such an expert on the issue.

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  116. Anonymous11:30 AM

    eh ?

    like eh?

    I vote by throwing (empty) beer bottles at my chosen candidate .....

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  117. In addition to what Mike said Tall Tex, I happen to work in the field of computer security, and I can tell you that the fact that the Infra Red ports were active on the machines corrupted the vote the minute they were placed on the floor.

    The system is unsecure, and does NOT comply with Federal Computer Security Guidelines, including FISMA and NIST guidelines.

    No commerical or federal agency would allow those systems into their network as they were.

    Not a one.

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  118. So Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell OWNS stock in Diebold electronic voting machines! And he was the one who certified George Bush in the run-off in 2004. It was all in his hands. Read on Bradblog about how Sequoia-Diebold is owned partially by Hugo Chavez -- which is driving the wingnuts crazy, unless this has now been discovered not to be true.

    The one thing I know about Brad, he works tirelessly and he's not a liberal. He's a Libertarian/Independent. And he is so by the book, so ethical, I can't even get him to tell a white lie. He has worked underground to uncover SERIOUS criminal voter fraud.

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  119. CLIF, I just realized you posted this earlier about Blackwell. Thank you.

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  120. Keep posting it.

    Maybe it will get through these guys thick heads.

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  121. INDIANA TV NEWS: ES&S Breaks State Law -- Again! No Early Voting Ballots Provided, Just Electronic Touch-Screen Voting Machines that Don't Work. Paper Ballots Are Used in the Meantime as ES&S Succeeds at Failing Yet Again…

    THE GOOD NEWS: A Local TV News Outlet That Reports Actual News!

    bradblog.com

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  122. Actually the repug trolls will be screaming about electronic voting real soon, there is questions as to whether Venezulan President Hugo Chavez bopught stock in one of the companies that manufacture the machines..wonder if they will see the machines as failproof after HE controls a company that produces them?

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  123. Seems Mr. Chavez understands that if they won't play fair then beat them at their own game....and he has ALLLLLLL that oil money to spend, like he did doing the Christian thing by lowering prices to those in need this winter in the northeast unlike the repug run american companies who just PRETEND to be christians.....

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  124. But of course the trolls here will say it does not matter who owns the company or controls it because the machines are hack proof and there is no way to set the machines up to throw an election or tamper with them....RIGHT GUYS?

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  125. How many conflicts of interest will come out for the Repugs, Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell is the one who certified Bush in 2004 and he owns stock in Diebold, if thats not a conflict of interest I dont know what is, you guys seem to like the fox guarding the chicken coop though dont ya??.

    BTW you guys asked for proof that the voting machine's are not secure and can be compromised and I provided it, mean while your silence is deafening. I asked for one shred of evidence proved via independent tests that verify that under no circumstances can the voting machines be compromised and the votes altered and not one response, being that producing voting machines is Diebolds livlihood, you would think they would be willing to come forward and prove their machines are tamper proof if they could wouldnt ya? but yet they are taking the 5th and are speechless kinda like you guys FF, Voltaire and TT, whats a matter cat got your tongue???

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  126. No Clif, the trolls will come here and pull a bait and switch and hijack the discussion in a different direction or throw in one of their apples to oranges comparison's like TT did last night comparing Repug child molestors to any democrat convicted of any type of crime, BTW TT can you provide evidence or a link showing when Bill Clinton was convicted of Rape??????

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  127. Mike it does not really matter how much smoke they blow out their collective asses the truth is coming out and the electronic voting machine scandal will be fully vetted(especially if either house of congress flips which looks more likely every day, kinda like a 94 in reverse, but instaed of a check sacndal we have a lobbiest scandal, bribery, child molestors, purgery, cover-ups of the cover-ups, arrested and indited members of Bushes higher circle, plus individual scandals in several states that involve state repug party officials both in and out of state government)along with the trial of David Sarifan due to start this summer for evening news coverage. The lull for the last month will soon be over and Iraq is not getting any better.

    Time for another "attack" scare, or Osama tape......LOL

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  128. I would love to continue to chat but the day is bright and the bike is calling, (got to spend some of my money on the OIL that comes from Venezula, so Hugo can buy some more stock...................enjoy.

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  129. Is there something happening at DHS we don't know about? They can't run FEMA right but have a lot of time to do things like this....

    Former Top DHS Child Porn Official A Sex Criminal?
    By Justin Rood - April 5, 2006, 1:10 PM

    Oh, my goodness.

    As I noted earlier, a senior Homeland Security Department law enforcement agent was busted last October for exposing himself to a girl in the food court of a mall.

    Next to the recent arrest of DHS spokesman Brian Doyle on child sex charges, this was just one more reason to take Operation Predator away from DHS, I said. "Predator" is the agency's program to bust child sex criminals.

    Now we discover -- that law enforcement agent, Frank Figueroa, used to run Operation Predator.

    The victim, a 16-year-old girl, said Figueroa pulled up a leg of his shorts, exposed himself and masturbated for about 10 minutes, according to the Tampa Tribune.

    Figueroa was in court this morning; he pleaded no contest to charges of exposure of sexual organs and disorderly conduct He had formerly said he was not guilty. His trial is expected to begin tomorrow.

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000294.php

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  130. It has been nice Clif, i've taken the bike out the last three days, yesterday was 86 here, but today is getting cloudy and windy.

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  131. Thats the second DHS official publically arrested in an online Sex sting.

    If you guys remember seeing the Dateline special where that group set up a house and lured the child molestors there, then popped em.

    One of them was identified as a DHS Investigator.

    Must be a Club or something, like the Catholic Priesthood.

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  132. Tall Texan2:33 PM

    Wednesday, August 9, 2000

    Web-porn scandal
    rocks White House
    West Wingers downloaded gay, bestial, teen sex videos, jamming firewall system

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    1:00 a.m. Eastern



    By Paul Sperry



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    © 2000 WorldNetDaily.com

    WASHINGTON -- A consultant hired last year to beef up security for the White House's computer network found massive pornographic video files passing through the system's Internet firewall, WorldNetDaily has learned.

    Some of the downloaded files were traced back to West Wing officials as recently as the beginning of last year, during the height of the impeachment crisis, say sources who were involved in replacing the firewall system as part of Y2K security upgrades.

    The real-time video files -- which came from hard-core porn sites featuring homosexual, farm-animal and teen sex acts -- were so large in byte volume that they accounted for most of the traffic coming into the firewall, sources told WorldNetDaily.

    All Internet links and e-mail must first pass through the firewall before coming into the local area network for the Executive Office of the President and on to individual network users. The firewall system is designed to screen Internet traffic for messages containing network-crippling viruses.

    A Y2K computer consultant in early 1999 discovered the unusually large volume of porn-site traffic coming into the White House while reviewing the firewall logs.

    A White House computer specialist recalled the reaction of one of the contractors at the time.

    "He started to laugh and said, 'It looks like the majority of traffic going through the firewall is pornography,'" said the White House employee, who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

    Both President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore have denounced cyber-porn and have pushed so-called "E-chips" to block the Internet's "purveyors of pornography," as Gore called them last year.

    White House cyber-security experts have asked WorldNetDaily to withhold the name of the Y2K contractor that upgraded the firewall system, arguing that disclosing the information would tip off hackers to the security software the White House is using and make it easier for them to breach the network. WorldNetDaily agreed to reveal only that the company is based in California.

    The firewall logs show the uniform resource locator, or URL (basically the Web zip code), of the porn sites from which the videos (MOVs) and still-graphics (JPEGs and GIFs) were downloaded.

    "There were things that said 'teen,'" the White House computer expert said. "There was gay and bestiality stuff too."

    Bestiality? "Donkeys, goats, dogs," explained the source, who later accessed some of the raunchier sites. "It's embarrassing."

    Upon the discovery of the heavy XXX-rated traffic, White House security specialists undertook a "forensics" effort to ID the White House network users who were downloading -- and watching -- the videos on government computers and time.

    Investigators, including White House Security Officer Charles Easley, looked at a number of variables to separate the habitual from the accidental Web-porn surfers. They scanned firewall logs over several weeks so they could see the repeat offenders. They also zeroed in on the large-byte files.

    What they found was shocking.

    "There were some significant names. I can say, yes, West Wing," said one White House source familiar with the investigation. "There were women too."

    Many of the offenders also officed out of the Old Executive Office Building, including presidential personnel, sources say. One was in national security.

    One of the worst offenders, however, was a senior White House computer-systems manager, who was reprimanded but allowed to stay in the White House after being treated for an "addiction" to porn. Sources say the porn abuser is so sensitive to the possibility of public exposure that he would likely take his own life if his name were disclosed here.

    Security experts weren't just worried about the bandwidth-eating Web videos slowing down the White House computer network for legitimate business, or bringing a "Trojan horse" virus into the system. They also feared they could open up White House officials to blackmail from outsiders looking to access the network.

    "It's a potential security risk," said one White House insider. "A hacker could call up an official and say, 'I have evidence you've been downloading kiddy porn. Give me your network passcode, or else.'"

    The Internet-linked network is unclassified (although another, classified network exists in the White House), but most everything on it is still sensitive.

    At any given time it may contain secret agendas for high-level meetings over trade and other policies, for example, or advance data from unpublished economic reports. Such information is potentially valuable to anyone from foreign diplomats looking for geopolitical leverage to stock traders looking for an edge.

    By February 1999, after the California contractor had replaced the old firewall and alerted officials to the cyber-porn problem, White House computer specialists set up filters to block employee access to the porn sites.

    Officials could have installed filters on the old Internet firewall, but never did -- except in the case of one site, an X-rated spoof of the official White House site. (Last year, a New Jersey man who says he accidentally logged onto the unofficial White House site in a public library, was escorted off by police and banned from the library.)

    According to White House insiders, White House guidelines for proper computer use by employees prohibit using them for profit, but do not specifically restrict using them to access Internet pornography.

    Last year an Internet porn policy was submitted to White House lawyers, but was not instated as part of any global policy, sources say.

    In 1997, Clinton and Gore announced a "strategy for a family friendly Internet" which included proposing the distribution of "E-chip" technology for filtering cyber-porn.

    "We all know and we've heard the horror stories about the inappropriate material for children that can be found on the Internet," Clinton said during the July 16, 1997, press conference.

    The event's press release said: "The president emphasized that government (has) an important role to play in achieving the goal of a family friendly Internet."

    "The President made clear that the administration remains committed to the vigorous enforcement of federal prohibitions against the transmission of child pornography and obscenity over the Internet," the release added, "and the use of the Internet by pedophiles to entice children to engage in sexual activity."

    Last year, Gore encouraged parents to "restrict their children's e-mail contact to keep the potential predators at bay -- purveyors of pornography."

    He said they must be protected from "red light districts in cyberspace."

    The White House has resisted requests from Congress, a federal court and other investigators to turn over Internet firewall logs -- which are stored on emergency back-up tapes -- in response to subpoenas for missing e-mail sent to West Wing officials over the Internet. Incoming e-mail also travels through the firewall.

    White House lawyers have argued that the logs don't include the contents of the e-mail, just the "to" and "from," and therefore would not be helpful to investigators. Besides, they claim, only the past several months worth of firewall logs are stored on back-up tapes; previous tapes of logs are recycled.

    Besides incoming e-mails, the tapes of the 1998 and 1999 firewall logs also recorded the massive volume of porn traffic going into the White House network over that period, sources say.




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    Paul Sperry is a Washington, D.C.-based journalist, WND contributor and author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington."

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20755

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  133. Anonymous2:51 PM

    Tall Texan, who cares, learn to live your own life.

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  134. Anonymous3:13 PM

    Life is like a hornet's nest, once you shake that nest, you get stung, but if we all can relax and not make "mountains out of molehills", life would be a lot safer place to live...everyone has their own opinion, but like I said earlier we all have to live our own lives "BE HAPPY"!!

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  135. You know TT, I guess I was right.

    You're none too bright.

    You post this crap about White House staff looking at porn?

    Who gives a crap???

    What has that to do with MOLESTING CHILDREN???

    You're just none too bright, are you?

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  136. And BTW Small Texan,

    Can we keep the posts to under 37 pages?

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  137. Anonymous3:17 PM

    Although scrolling through this blog, it seems to appear that it is more of an esoteric group. I saw over 100 comments and thought that's how many responded, but I see only about 6 different people responding.

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  138. Anonymous3:23 PM

    I would like to read material based on good judgement, but Good God, there are a few of you out here, that it almost takes an hour to scroll through, BTW it slows the blog down .

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  139. TT, looks like your pulling another apples to oranges comparison, how can you compare child molesters to people viewing porn, worf's right who gives a crap, werent you the one attacking Clif about the long cut and pastes, that makes me believe you are a troll and did it purposely to deflect the issues and derail discussion.

    And BTW Clif's cut and pastes are always relavent and quite interesting and informative, and obviously quite effective since they are irritating you guys so much, the truth huts doesnt it??/

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  140. Worf said "What has that to do with MOLESTING CHILDREN???"

    or voting fraud for that matter???

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  141. TT about your author Joseph Farah;

    Joseph Farah is the founder, editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com, the world's leading independent news site.

    Joseph Farah's columns, distributed by Creators Syndicate, are eagerly sought out by millions of people each month. In addition to his daily writings for WorldNetDaily.com, he pens a weekly commentary for the Jerusalem Post. He has written for such publications as The Wall Street Journal, National Review, TV Guide, Reason, Los Angeles Times, The Boston Globe, The San Francisco Chronicle, Chicago Sun-Times and a host of other national, international and regional publications.

    He is the co-author, with U.S. Rep. Richard Pombo, of This Land is Our Land (1996), and in 1994 collaborated with Rush Limbaugh on the No. 1 New York Times best-seller "See, I Told You So."

    NBC television, New World Entertainment and other media giants have sought his expertise as a media consultant.

    Joseph Farah made a name for himself with traditional daily newspapers prior to his founding of WorldNetDaily -- running the Sacramento Union, directing the news operation of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner for nine years and serving as editor in chief of a group of California dailies and weeklies.

    His role as founder of the Western Journalism Center won him the Washington Times Foundation's National Service Award in 1996. Two years earlier, in 1994, he was honored by the American-Swiss Foundation as one of 20 "Young Leaders" who traveled to Europe for discussions with their distinguished counterparts abroad. Farah's many journalism awards include honors for reporting, to writing headlines, to honesty in journalism, to editing and newspaper design.

    In "Between the Lines," his daily column for WorldNetDaily, Farah tackles nearly every topic known to man.

    http://www.creators.com/opinion_Shell.cfm?pg=biography.html&columnsname=jfa

    In other works ANOTHER right wing wack job ...who'd a thunk it....

    BTW all the "awards" he claims why doesn't he list what they actually are or are his awards like O'Liely's a "legend in their own minds"

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  142. Another thing Mr. Farah is a hypocrit First class, see below...

    Farah followed this up the next day with a laundry list of celebrities he denounces as "dilletantes," "spoiled-brat political activists masquerading as entertainers" and "enemies of the people" complete with allegedly "anti-American" quotes attributed to them. Here are some of quotes Farah cites:

    * "George W. Bush is a moron"
    * "I despise him [G.W. Bush]"
    * "We've got this guy in the White House who thinks he's a man"
    * "We have seen our democracy compromised by fear and hatred"
    * "The man's embarrassing. He's not my president and he never will be either"
    * "I am afraid of Bush"
    * "this administration of liars and murderers"

    What is the overriding theme of these remarks? First, criticism of Bush. Is Farah saying that criticism of the president is "anti-American"? If so, what is one to make of the criticisms by Farah and others of President Clinton in the 1990s? If mere criticism of a president is anti-American, doesn't that make them anti-American too?

    And don't a lot of those comments sound vaguely familiar? Just substitute "Clinton" for "Bush," and you have the conservative tone of the 1990s. Compare the "He's not my president" remark to those "My president is Charlton Heston" bumper stickers the National Rifle Assocation used to hand out. If one entertainer is "afraid of Bush," Farah spoke of being afraid to go to Arkansas to give a deposition: "Too much fear. ... Too many mysterious deaths." And as for "this administration of liars and murderers," Farah himself has touted the alleged "Clinton body count" that alleges by implication that Bill and/or Hillary Clinton are murderers

    Full article:

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/outthere/otfarah.html



    Yes he is a gooooood christian "hypocrit" sort of like the ones calling for tougher laws for child molesters(until they get caught working at the department of homeland security enforcing those laws). Or call for fiscal responsibility for americans by introducing a tough bankrupcy law forcing people to pay their credit card bills ...at the same time bankrupting the US with a 8,250,000,000,000 debt which they actually have no intention of paying, they know americans have Children.. grandchildren..great-grandchildren.... they must have some legacy to leave them all......don't you thunk it?

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  143. Clif said "Or call for fiscal responsibility for americans by introducing a tough bankrupcy law forcing people to pay their credit card bills ...at the same time bankrupting the US with a 8,250,000,000,000 debt which they actually have no intention of paying, they know americans have Children.. grandchildren..great-grandchildren.... they must have some legacy to leave them all......don't you thunk it?"


    Well Clif I've said all along the Repugs dont care about the debt because they actually WANT to bankrupt the country because they know it will affect the poor because it will be the only way they can get rid of social programs like welfare etc...

    as for the bankruptcy reform law, I think it came back to bite them in the ass, because the poor who cant pay their debts still arent paying even though they cant legally file bankruptcy and the debts are being written off while the wealthy and upper middle class who used to file to avoid paying their debts are being forced to pay now. I think it was enacted to pander to the credit card companies but it hasnot been the windfall they expected because a whole slew of wealthy people filed before the law went into effect and the rest cant pay so the debts are being charged off and the credit card companies are having some bad quarters, particularly with rising interest rates.

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  144. Mike that is why I NEVER charge any more than I can pay IN FULL every month...the CC co's give me an interest free loan each and every month and I for one thank them.

    It is really simple learn to live with in a budget and financial independence is easy, but part of that is giving up the ridiculous keeping up with the repug losers who just say charge it our children and Grandchildren won't mind the bill.

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  145. Okay - everyone, the blog is difficult to read with all the long articles pasted. Can we paste links for most of these long articles?

    Thanks guys!
    Love,
    Lydia

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  146. Here is a fact: Any natural act one tries to prohibit, push down or hide begins to "own" the person. It's actually true that if the natural human sex drive is not allowed to find expression, it finds perverted outlets. It becomes twisted the more taboo it is, like a fascinating addiction.

    The people who have the most hangups about sex and stifle their sexuality are those who treat it as unnatural: priests, officials, pastors and overly punishing families.

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  147. Wonder if Bill O'Liely will be as outraged at this too, I am......

    Monday, April 3, 2006 10:48 AM CDT
    PHOENIX (AP) - Two young men charged with sodomizing 18 boys at a youth camp last year have been offered a plea agreement that may net them little jail time and no record of sexual assault.

    Clifton Bennett, 18, the son of Arizona Senate President (R)Ken Bennett, and his co-defendant, Kyle Wheeler, 19, were charged in January with 18 counts of aggravated assault and 18 counts of kidnapping for the incidents, which happened at a youth camp last June.

    The younger Bennett confessed to police that he and Wheeler sodomized the 11- to 14-year-old boys with broomsticks and flashlights in at least 40 incidents, court documents show.

    Yavapai County prosecutors now say they'll drop all but one assault charge and likely recommend little or no jail time if Bennett agrees to plead guilty.

    Wheeler has been offered a similar deal but faces an additional assault charge for choking three boys until they passed out.

    The plea agreements were presented in court last week and could be finalized Monday.

    The plea deal infuriated parents of some of the boys, who say their sons were sexually assaulted and traumatized. They want Bennett and Wheeler to face sexual-assault charges, undergo mental evaluations and do more jail time.

    The boys have had trouble going to the bathroom, sleep with clothes on, are afraid at night, and have undergone sexual-assault counseling, parents said.

    "Our biggest concern is that these kids are going to do it again," the mother of an 11-year-old Tucson boy told The Arizona Republic. "My son had something shoved up his butt seven or eight times. If that's not sexual assault, what is?"

    Prosecutor James Landis told a judge at last week's hearing that the "broomsticking" was a hazing ritual and a punishment, not sexual assault.

    The plea agreement describes the assault charge as "a non-dangerous, non-repetitive offense."

    Landis told the judge the case was never viewed as "sexual in nature," partly because prosecutors could not prove the two young men had sexual intent.

    But legal experts, sex-crimes prosecutors and victims'-rights lawyers say the acts clearly fit the definition of sexual assault.

    "They could have been charged with sexual assault," said Sue Eazer, supervisor of the Pima County Attorney's Special Victims Unit. "Sexual assault is oftentimes not motivated by sexual desire."

    Requiring proof of intent in a sexual assault case is a "red herring," according to Andrew Vachss, a New York lawyer specializing in child cases who is also a best-selling author on the subject. He said intent in this case is being used as an excuse to cut a deal.

    "The bottom line is you don't have to prove sexual intent when you have such gross assault," Vachss said. "It looks like one of the most sweetheart deals of all time."

    He implied it is unlikely a jury would agree with the prosecutors.

    "Let the perps tell a jury, 'I inserted a foreign object into the rectums of little boys, but I had no sexual intent.'"

    The prosecutor referred questions to Yavapai County Attorney Sheila Polk, who said she was ethically barred from talking about the case while it is active.

    The 18 boys were chosen to attend the weeklong student government leadership skills camp in Prescott because they were among the state's top student leaders.

    Records show the defendants were assigned to stay in their cabin and announced that campers who broke rules would get a "brooming" soon after the boys arrived. A police report of the incidents wasn't made until six months later, when one of the boys told a school official.

    Bennett apologized for his role in court last week, saying he was "trying every way he can to rectify the situation."

    His father, Sen. Ken Bennett, R-Prescott, sat behind him. A Prescott native and businessman, he hasn't spoken about his son's arrest except to issue a brief statement expressing concern as a parent.

    Lawyers for the younger Bennett declined to comment but wrote the county attorney saying he "took responsibility for his role, showed remorse and admitted that this "hazing' was inappropriate."

    The letter said Bennett was an honor student and active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who plans to go on a mission in September.

    "A felony conviction for assault will make his desire to complete his mission impossible," they wrote.

    Prosecutors told parents they plan to ask for five days in jail on the one count for each defendant, said Lynne Cadigan, a lawyer for two victims. They could face a maximum two years in prison under terms of the plea deal, but the judge could reduce the charges to a misdemeanor and no jail time.

    FIVE DAYS FOR SEVERLY TRAMATISING 11-14 YEAR OLD YOUNG BOYS ON 40 OCCASIONS, I WONDER HOW HARD BENNETTS FATHER WORKED, AND ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL BE EXPOSED TO THE YOUNGER BENNETT KNOW OF WHAT HE DID SO THEY ARE ABLE TO JUDGE IF THEY SHOULD LEAVE THEIR CHILDREN IN HIS GRASP FOR A POSSIBLE REPEAT? DON"T ALL THE EXPERTS SAY THAT SEXUAL DEVIENTS ARE NOT REHABILITABLE>>>>WHERE ARE THE ANGRY CHORUS OF THE RIGHT ON THIS MISSCARRAGE OF JUDTICE?

    WHAT ABOUT IT FF< TT< ANONYMOUS< VOLTAIR? I HAVE CHILDREN>>> DO ANY OF YOU?

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  148. SORRY LYDIA BUT that last post is needed because of the damage these men have already done they must not walk free to do it again, the word about this must be spread so nothing like this ever passes again as justice.

    Political Figures should not be able to cobver for their children's Felonious criminal activity.

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  149. OH YEA I WAS SO MAD WHEN I READ THE STORY I FORGOT THE LINK;

    http://www.azdailysun.com/articles/2006/04/03/news/local/20060403_local_news_7.txt

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  150. Captn Bligh matey7:09 AM

    Clifton Bennett, 18, the son of Arizona Senate President (R)Ken Bennett, and his co-defendant, Kyle Wheeler, 19,

    Me says LOUDLY ,, they
    should be canned , and then flogged-- and then when I asks me parrot Mercy

    she says to keel haul em too

    arrrr

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  151. LYDIA8:34 AM

    Oh my God, I am so heartsick over this, I am so horrified by our disgusting laws and all these bizarre perversions. Letting this Bennet kid get away with a sweetheart deal. THIS HAS TO STOP!! I am DISGUSTED BY all the sexual and grotesquely abnormal things being done to children. We need to really get serious about these people who perpetrate crimes on children, and internet porn.

    I have two sons aged 10 and 12 and I am praying for them, and all other children to retain their innocence.

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  152. Lydia, I am disgusted by this as well, I think sexually molesting a child is one of the worst crimes out there, but having said that I just can't get past the gut feeling I have that the reason the media is constantly bombarding us with all the sexual predators over the Internet all of the sudden is to help justify the Patriot act, i think they are again using fear tactics to help justify it and then make a case for crossing that line and using domestic spying for purposes other than terrorism. once you cross that line it gets easier every time, and its a dangerous line to cross.

    Dont get me wrong, i'm not trying to mimimize or marginalize child predators or child pornography, but my gut tells me its in the media 24/7 for a calculated reason.

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  153. Jeez, Lydia, you know we're only supposed to report the *good* news out of Iraq!

    Let's see....today that's....oh, the first Mr. Softee truck of the spring made it's way down Saddam...I mean, Freedom Blvd. in Najaf!

    Errrrr, of course I can only really report half that story since it was later blown to smithereens by an IED, taking seven little Iraqi children who had run down the street with their dinars clutched tightly in their hands with it...

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  154. A list of Republipedophilicans...

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  155. Carl said it right.

    Its hard to report the good news in Iraq when you're runnin for your life.

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  156. Lydia said;

    We need to really get serious about these people who perpetrate crimes on children, and internet porn.


    Does that second part mean I have to cancel my subscription to www.spankmee.com?

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  157. AP Updated: 1:11 p.m. ET April 6, 2006
    WASHINGTON

    Before his indictment, I. Lewis Libby testified to the grand jury investigating the CIA leak that Cheney told him to pass on information and that it was Bush who authorized the disclosure of information to reporters about prewar intelligence on Iraq.

    The authorization came as the Bush administration faced mounting criticism about its failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the main reason the president and his aides had given for going to war."

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  158. I got this in my email from John Kerry this morning. It was so well written, and so well said, that I am reprinting it below. Sorry for the length but there is no link to this.



    Half the names on the Vietnam Memorial wall were added after America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion. You and I have to do everything in our power to stop that from happening again.

    Two weeks ago, President Bush said that the timing of complete withdrawal from Iraq "...will be decided by future presidents...."1 But this is our responsibility now, not the responsibility of future presidents or a future Congress.

    I believe that American combat troops should come home from Iraq in 2006 - not the distant future as President Bush does.

    Furthermore, I believe we must set a May 15th deadline for the Iraqis to form an effective unity government. And, if the Iraqi politicians choose to ignore that deadline, then I believe things will only get worse and we will have no choice but to withdraw immediately.

    It's not enough to express our convictions -- we need to back up our beliefs with concrete actions. Today I introduced a resolution into the Senate that will give members of both parties the chance to tell the president that our course in Iraq must change.

    I am setting tough deadlines for action in Iraq, and you know as well as I do how fiercely the extreme right wing will attack us. So I'm asking you today to be a citizen co-sponsor of this important resolution. Show the White House and my Senate colleagues a groundswell of support.

    Sign up today as a citizen co-sponsor of my Senate resolution

    President Bush is willing to let American soldiers and their families wait endlessly, while risking life and limb, as some Iraqi politicians incite sectarianism to grow their personal power and private militias.

    But we are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years.

    The first was against Saddam Hussein and his alleged weapons of mass destruction.

    The second was against Jihadist terrorists who the Administration said it was better "to fight over there than here."

    Now we find our troops in the middle of an escalating civil war.

    We will defeat Al Qaeda faster when we stop serving as their best recruitment tool. Unpinning our military from Iraq will allow us to prosecute the war against Al Qaeda more effectively -- both inside and outside Iraq.

    And regaining our global options will also strengthen our hand in addressing the Iranian nuclear threat.

    For speaking the truth, the right wing and their surrogates will question our courage and commitment. They're going to question our patriotism.

    Only one thing will overcome this onslaught and put our country on the right path: a truly massive and visible groundswell of support for this call to bring home the troops. America has prospered throughout its history because we have never allowed bad leaders to pursue bad ideas for very long.

    The Bush administration uses fear as a weapon against dissent.

    But you have the power to stand up to this new McCarthyism: show the depth and breadth of support for a timely withdrawal by co-sponsoring my Senate resolution now.

    CO SPONSOR THE RESOLUTION HERE

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  159. Also look for John Kerry on Hardball with Chris Matthews tonight.

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  160. Anonymous11:37 AM

    Who gives a crap what Lurch has to say? He's a loser,he lost,he's nonessential,nobody care about him.

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  161. Everyone read that message from John Kerry.

    It says it all, so well, and so concise.

    It is what John Kerry should have said in the 04 campaign. If he had, he could have won.

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  162. That is what kerry should have said in 2004!

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  163. Funny how idiots like anoymess like to pick on John Kerry.

    These little sissies still stand behind their sissy president. A sissy who ran from war when he had the chance to go, but now sends a 100,000 of other peoples children off to fight.

    Sissies, cowards, traitors and punks everyone of them.

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  164. Anonymous11:40 AM

    Cynthia McKinney,now here's someone the Dem's should rally around.She's a prime example of the base of the party "welfare queens."

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  165. How many enemy soldiers have you killed in combat anonypuss?

    How many?

    How many has your president?

    How many times have you fired your weapon while in live fire combat?

    Meanwhile, a man who dropped an enemy combatant who was about to fire on his boat is who you choose to call a wimp.

    You're the wimp, wimp. So is that sissyboy you call a president.

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  166. Anonymous11:43 AM

    Wofuss/dufuss,you're a friggin lemming,you'd follow a piece of crap like lerch over the cliff.Oh yea,you did just that.

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  167. Anonymous11:46 AM

    Lerch is a joke.A fake.What he get 14 purple hearts in a 90 day tour.

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  168. You're a sissy anonysissy.

    Follow your little band of nazi cowards.

    You're pigs, and your places as the cowards and murderous vermin that you are is assured.

    Puss.

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  169. WORFEUS -- Your last few comments about Kerry are amazing and on the mark.
    Thank you,
    Lyd

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  170. oh yeah there's relavant news out, so time to start hijacking the thread with insults.

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  171. Anonymous11:47 AM

    Wufuss, time for you to hit your fantasy dojo.Jackie Chan is waiting there for you.Jerk off.

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  172. Anonymous11:48 AM

    Find that grassy knoll yet Lyd?

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  173. just ignore the troll then if he keeps posting garbage and spam it will be obvious what he is, dont feed the troll.

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  174. Kerry recieved 3 Purple Hearts (lots of guys put in for extra purple hearts for small injuries, you'd be stupid not to), and a Bronze Star for killing an enemy with a shoulder fired missle.

    And you compare that to your cocaine snorting AWOL little sissy boy George?

    You're a sissy boy, a little wuss.

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  175. Anonymous11:50 AM

    Mike,it's time for your daily dose of Prozac.You're closing in on electric shock buddy.

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  176. I posted a response to the moronic grassy knoll comment yesterday that made it look as silly as it really is, i'm still waiting for an answer, I posted evidence about the voting fraud where is yours???

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  177. I'm still waiting for you sissyboy.

    I will be happy to whoop the b'Jesus out of you, anytime you want to show up chump.

    In fact, it will be my pleasure.

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  178. Anonymous11:51 AM

    One of those purple hearts was for getting a splinter in his ass.How heroic.

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  179. Oh yea, you're a coward like your President.

    All talk and no fight.

    Coward.

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  180. Anonymous11:52 AM

    Wufuss,I have trophy's at home for bitch slapping little worms like you.

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  181. I rewrote this and added something:

    WORF, for the record, I don't call people names, myself. But the essence of what you said, that a vet like Kerry actually entered combat, put himself in the line of fire -- and WAS THERE -- compared to Bush, who ran away, yet casually offers up over 100,000 lives, is a CRIMINAL ACT.

    Anyone who can't see the light, is deliberately engaging in "evil". Acting unconsciously is a form of evil, as is unwillingness to understand, grow or become enlightened (conservatives do not want to move forward). Read PEOPLE OF THE LIE: ABOUT HUMAN EVIL. There is no "devil" outside of human will, human being. Human evil comes from mental illness -- people like these who back up a person like Bush.

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  182. Anonymous11:53 AM

    Wufuss,you and Mike need another visit to brokeback mountain.

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  183. Anonymous11:56 AM

    Hey Lyd,great jibberish.Just like your party,all flowers,no substance.

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  184. see how there was no answer from FF or Voltaire regarding the posts yesterday, because they didnt have a response all the right has left is name calling and insults, they are truly desperate, they have an indefensible position and they know it so they resort to name calling, insults and trying to discredit the opposition.

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  185. Anonymess. Who cares about his Purple Hearts? He wanted to leave VietNam so he put in for whatever Purple Hearts he could get?

    So did lots of guys.

    You'd be a fool not to.

    But at least HE WENT.

    And it eats you alive that your little Fuhrer is a COWARD, and DIDN'T go.

    It eats you alive, which is why you crawl in here to spew your sissy taunts, everytime he's mentioned.

    He went, and he FOUGHT.

    And it obviously kills you that the coward you follow was too afraid to even go in the first place.

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  186. Lydia is right though.

    Those who refuse to see the truth staring them right in the face are merely servants of evil.

    They worship evil actions and call them good. They talk of higher moral ground, while murdering thousands.

    Jesus had a good name for them.

    He called them, " Whited Sepulchres". Outside they appear clean and white, but inside full of dead mens bones.

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  187. Anonymous12:04 PM

    Wufuss,you need to get some of Mikes Prozac,you're getting real close to the edge.

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  188. Anonymous12:05 PM

    They dont make Jew's like Jesus anymore.

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  189. Wow, brilliant comeback anonymess.

    You must be the smartest 3rd grader in your entire school.

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  190. Anonymous12:17 PM

    Dimwit,thats the title of a Kinky Frieman song.You know Kinky,he's running for govenor of Texas.

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  191. Why do Repugs hide behind the myth that they are tough guys and ladies men. its kind of laughable really, we know they are not tough guys because just about all of them are chickenhawks who have never served in a war but yet talk tough while sending others to die or while hiding behind a keyboard. As for being ladies men, lets see Dick Cheney and Karl Rove, yeah i'm sure the women go wild over them, i'm sure women love guys who are too quick to fire their rifle (ie Cheney in case your not smart enough to read between the lines). Most repugs wouldnt even know what do do with a woman, it would be interesting to survey you guys as to when was the last time you guys had a sexual encounter , not counting molesting children or walking into a strip club with a $500 bill on your forhead.

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  192. Anonymous12:20 PM

    Today's quiz.Who wrote the following?"If only liberals were half as angry at the people who flew planes into our skyscrapers as they are with Tom DeLay,we might have two patriotic parties in the country."

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  193. Anonymous12:23 PM

    Mike,you really need to up the doseage of what ever it is you take.You're becoming more and more incoherent.

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  194. Anonymous12:25 PM

    Next thing you know two cops and a minister will be trying to talk you off a tower.

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  195. Tall Texan12:26 PM

    Hey, Froggy, regarding the certified loser in the 2004 election, can you find one, just ONE, other person who got three Purple Hearts (the magic number that gets you a ticket home) who never spent a night in the hospital for his alleged wounds (self inflicted, if you ask me).

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  196. Lydia said "Here is a fact: Any natural act one tries to prohibit, push down or hide begins to "own" the person. It's actually true that if the natural human sex drive is not allowed to find expression, it finds perverted outlets. It becomes twisted the more taboo it is, like a fascinating addiction."

    How true that is, the Repugs have find ways to become humam and have a shot with real women so the Child molestations will go down.

    clif posted an article that most repugs were anal, dogmatic and antisocial in their youth, you know the kind that would be sitting in the corner with a dunce cap on. no wonder they grow up to be antisocial as adults as well.

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  197. Hey anonymess. Question.


    How desperate is the right to send a human peice of crap like you to crawl in here?

    I mean, if they scraped the filthiest sewers I doubt they could find a turd as filthy and ignorant as you.

    Unless of course they found your father.

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  198. Anonymous12:27 PM

    Well now I'm going to leave.You two pinheads no longer amuse me.

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