Wednesday, June 13, 2012

I LOVE DISNEY, APPLE, FACEBOOK and PUSH POP PRESS

I have a really good feeling about Facebook because they were smart enough to acquire a cutting edge company called Push Pop Press, created by two of the most amazing young interface geniuses, Mike Matas and Kimon Tsinteris, winners of the 2011 Apple Design Award. For my upcoming humor book series and trademark launch, I was trying to figure out a way to insert interactive video and audio into a digital book and stumbled upon Mike Matas' Ted Talk. Matas is one of the most creative minds I have seen in years. He reminds me of a young Steve Jobs, without the ego. All the features of this stunning new interface can be seen in the innovative book Our Choice.



For Al Gore's book Our Choice, the startup has created an ebook that talks, spins, moves, and folds, featuring video, interactive infographics, maps, and more, all seamlessly interwoven with the text in a way that helps bring the concepts to life.  Even if you've already read Our Choice, a follow-up to the urgent environmental call-to-action of An Inconvenient Truth, the app offers something completely different. While this digital version has the same rich photo content and clear writing as the book, it transforms the act of reading into something totally new. Amy Lee Huffington Post
Yes, Apple has created iBooks Author but I hope Facebook doesn't stick Push Pop on the shelf and keep this secret from the world. I hope Facebook starts publishing digital books, so Push Pop Press can join forces with us as we are about to launch the funniest, most mind-bending content imaginable. The books, videos and audio are already in the can, we just need to seamlessly integrate them into our books in the fluid way only Push Pop can.

Here's what tech columnist David Pogue of The New York Times said about Push Pop's technology: "...this is one of the most elegant, fluid, impressive apps you've ever seen. It's a showpiece for the new world of touch-screen gadgets.” 

Here is the Apple part of the story. I'm a huge fan of Steve Jobs and have been devouring the Walter Issacson book "STEVE JOBS" at a pace that allows me to relish each chapter, laugh out loud and gasp in amazement and wonder so often, I even re-read it out loud to myself.. especially the parts in which Jobs makes out with women, pines and cries publicly! I couldn't believe he asked everyone's opinion on which woman he should marry, which one was prettier -- Laurene Powell or Tinda Resde!  How embarrassing! For the women. What I loved most about the book was the evocative nature of this time in history -- the juxtaposition of technology and the sexy spiritual-intellectual-hippie lure of the West Coast where people really are more open-minded..  the beginnings of Silicon Valley, and the historical journey through this new Edison-like-minded world. I love this wonderful merging of conscious, thoughtful sandal-wearing Peppermint soap-bathing Jobs, inventor-geeks like Wozniak and creators of things-they love so much they finally- give away like Stewart Brand's "Stay Hungry, Stay Foolish" The Whole Earth Catalogue!  Ahh to live in a world in which the profit model does not reign supreme.  I wish we were all more authentic, less driven to "grow" our economy but more driven to love each other, feed each other and walk into the sunset together, sowing, planting, reaping hand-in-hand.

I have noticed a mean-spirited, ugly, lethargic, un-inspired society lately. As Arianna Huffington so brilliantly put it at the Panetta Institute in Monterey: "We have a lot of talking heads, a lot of opinions, a lot of social interaction, but no wisdom. No one is making good moral choices... look at Lehman Brothers, etc"

But I admire Jobs because of his passion, focus and purist vision in creating the greatest American company of our times. In 1996, Jobs personally sent me a free computer free after I wrote Apple a letter about how upset I was that my desktop Performa had crashed prematurely.

Jobs could be the rudest jerk, and seemed to lack the compassion gene. But had impeccable integrity. He made me feel as if perfectionism isn't such a bad thing, especially if you're about to change the world. I laughed out loud at the way Oracle's Larry Ellison complained that Jobs "made him" go to the fake mock-up Apple Store on weekends to practice shopping, just to see if the store was laid out in a minimalist feel-good way. Jobs created this practice store in a warehouse and wouldn't open any of the Apple stores until the layout was perfect.

But here is where Jobs went wrong: allowing Push Pop's founders Mike Matas and Kimon Tsinteris to leave Apple. How could he let them get away?  Why would Apple not want to keep the cream of the crop around instead of using the blandly boring industry standard ebook software. This does not fit Apple.

Jobs should have kept this amazing inventor and his partner happy.

I have no idea yet what ibooks Author can do. It seems there was a conflict over who owned the copyrght to original software created while under Apple's auspices: "Jobs reportedly delivered an ultimatum to Matas that resulted in the company selling itself to Facebook as a talent-based acquisition that abandoned its allegedly tainted ebook apps business model.

Because Push Pop Press planned to deliver its version of ebooks as native iOS apps, Apple's iOS App Store was ultimately the sole potential distributor the finished work Push Pop Press would have created, giving the company little leverage in arguing around any IP claims by Apple.  

But this sounds Greek to me. Maybe Facebook will join forces with talented content creators/authors to launch interactive book franchises. As a content creator, I have spent years writing and creating, NOT going to parties, trying to stay out of the public eye. It hasn't worked: in the past two years I have done 25 charity events, 17 TV shows, plus a feature film. But now my own content is ready to launch.

We are a Disney-Pixar-ABC-Apple family. When I was five years old, I decided to come out to California and move into Disneyland.

Too Close for Comfort, the hit series I starred in with Ted Knight was an ABC primetime hit that followed Three's Company on Tuesday nights. with 35 million viewers during primetime and in syndication for 25 years so far. We were number one and in the top ten and twenty for years. Too Close for Comfort is now on Tribune Broadcasting's new comedy channel @AntennaTV.

Like Pixar's John Lassetter, my son goes to CalArts in the fall, and Disney is building 20 new soundstages on the Golden Oak Ranch land Walt Disney himself set aside for his Renaissance vision of an arts institute comparable to science/technology institutes Cal Tech and MIT. My father, a violinist born in Russia and raised in Shanghai, attended the Los Angeles Conservatory of Music, which merged with Choinard Art Institute to form California Institute of the Arts.

As a comedy writer creating original TV shows, books and movies, I can't wait to work with Disney and ABC again. I am so happy that Bob Iger, a CEO who really trusts and 'gets' artists, is in charge. He was smart enough to acquire both Pixar and Marvel Comics. The Avengers is amazing!  I also adore Anne Sweeney. And I think Facebook is quietly waiting until some of their best decisions pay off. And Apple has just created the best products with unforseen advantages that will help us for years to come. My son had his first Apple computer at the age of two years old. I don't want him to see this blog, or he will be mad that I'm talking about him. I'm not supposed to brag that he won the Playstation E3 Contest winner for video effects award at the age of 15, and was too young to accept the prize. http://Mooseflakes.com

- Luv xo Lydia

http://LydiaCornell.com
ON ANOTHER NOTE: PLEASE LISTEN to this PSA I recorded to benefit traumatic brain injured children and young adults on behalf of Pat Boone's charity honoring his wonderful grandson Ryan. Ryan's Reach and HIGH HOPES:







207 comments:

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  2. Anonymous12:40 PM

    I like Disney.

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  3. Anonymous9:37 PM

    I didn't know your father was born in Russia and was a concert violinist. That's pretty cool.

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  4. Wow I bet he was great, Why do I say that because I know you take after him...

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  5. PEEPSTONE WORF10:20 AM

    ...tap tap....this thing on?

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  6. Anonymous12:18 PM

    So Johnny and his horse walk into bar one day and the bartender looks at the horse and says "we don't mind the long face but your animal will have to wait outside...".

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  7. Anonymous12:19 PM

    ...tap tap....pfffhhh ....pfffffhhh.....testing 1 2 3....testing...

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  8. This thread is boring Worf.

    And,wheres Cliffy Poo.......I kinda miss rippin his turban? I ripped it so bad last time I think he is a little embarrassed to be seen in public without one!?


    Here,Cliff, perhaps this will help you? And, don't say JMM doesn't try to help you out in your time of need!

    http://www.fotolibra.com/gallery/584259/turbans-for-sale-jaisalmer/like/

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  9. Lydia Cornell2:15 PM

    I think APPLE is saving our country! And Disney!

    You can still leave comments here on the Vatican Banking scandal in which the head of the bank feared "he would be killed after discovering such evil in the Vatican - one was murdered, mafia money being laundered, etc.

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  10. Lydia Cornell2:15 PM

    I think APPLE is saving our country! And Disney!

    You can still leave comments here on the Vatican Banking scandal in which the head of the bank feared "he would be killed after discovering such evil in the Vatican - one was murdered, mafia money being laundered, etc.

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  11. WORFEUS AND HIS AMAZING TECHNICOLOR PEEPSTONE2:17 PM

    I'm not a big fan of Facebook, but then again I'm not in entertainment or public life. Anyone who is and for businesses I think its a great vehicle for that. I personally don't use it though and have no desire to have a facebook page.

    But I am thinking of starting my own similar site, and calling it "BUTTBOOK".

    It would be a site where people put up pictures of their butts.

    : |


    Johnny of course could use the same photo he uses on Facebook.

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  12. "The irony being most of them, like you no doubt, talked a good game until you got them over 30 or 40 feet off the deck"

    This is most likely true Worf.....LOL! I would probably cling to a nice safe ledge and beg for you to come save me.......if i didn't faint and fall down first!

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  13. "It would be a site where people put up pictures of their butts"


    Excellent idea Mr. Smith. Could we start off with this girls butt?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxk3BCTdaCE&feature=plcp

    She is soooooooooooooo smoking hot I swear I would let her fart in my "Corn Flakes"......no joke!!!

    I fell in love with her a couple of years ago when watching "Big Brother 2010."

    I live for this show!

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  14. WORFEUS THE VERTICAL3:12 PM

    This is most likely true Worf.....LOL! I would probably cling to a nice safe ledge and beg for you to come save me.......if i didn't faint and fall down first!


    lol, at least you're honest. Most people struggle once you get them a few yards off the deck. Height seems to be the one universal fear that makes even the toughest characters break down like little girls.

    In truth you never really "get over" the fear. You just learn to deal with it. Of course I know some rock climbers who claim they're not afraid of heights, ....those that are still alive anyway.

    Google "Dan Osman" and you'll see what I mean.

    I've climbed with some of the best climbers in the world, and a good healthy respect of height is must have if you plan on being around a while.

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  15. WORFEUS AND HIS AMAZING TECHNICOLOR PEEPSTONE3:15 PM

    Excellent idea Mr. Smith. Could we start off with this girls butt?


    Ok, but don't be trying to pull any Winklevoss twins crap on me.


    Buttbook is my idea.....although if you get me Kim Kardashian's bare butt for the site I'd gladly cut you in.

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  16. OK,Worf, here is Kim's butt.....now were partners on your great idea.

    http://typeimage.blogspot.ca/2012/04/kim-kardashian-butt.html

    I have to admit she does have a rather nice butt.......bloody thing almost hits the moon???

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  17. Anonymous3:38 PM

    She has the best butt of all time. Even J-lo's can't compare.

    It'd certainly make a fine hat.

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  18. DADDY WORFBUCKS3:42 PM

    OK,Worf, here is Kim's butt.....now were partners on your great idea.


    uhhh, I can find any kid to google up a web photo of it. Heck, I can do that myself.

    I mean an authorized photo, i.e. she has to provide permission to use it (or post it herself).

    Then we can talk about your share of my billions.

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  19. "It'd certainly make a fine hat."

    LOL!

    :D

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  20. Anonymous4:42 PM

    ... that or a mustache cup.

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  21. Anonymous10:14 PM

    But I admire Jobs because of his passion, focus and purist vision in creating the greatest American company of our times.

    I always liked Steve Jobs, but I admire Bill Gates more. Gates gets all the negative attacks but in truth he's done more for the IT world than most people know.

    But Steve Jobs also did great things and Apple had great vision.

    I don't really like MAC's though. We always called them "PC's for dummies", lol. Of course its up to the individual and MAC's are fine machines. In fact in many ways superior to the x86 PC, at least from a hardware perspective.

    But when I think of Steve Jobs, the one things that really impressed on me is our own mortality, and how all the money in the world isn't worth squat if you don't have your health.

    I know that's a cliche old line. But it really hits home when you think of Steve Jobs with his billions and yet he's gone already.

    So young. So much to offer the world, so much vision and gone.

    So when it comes down to it, all the money in the world isn't worth anything if you don't have your health.

    Every day I wake up healthy is a good day.

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  22. Anonymous10:25 PM

    That's why Johnny needs to give up those cigarettes. I think Johnny said he was in his 30's or something, but I'm telling you it will catch up with you. Cigarettes are death sticks. Cancer sticks. Just pure poison to the body. So is booze.

    Combined its like playing a game of Russian Roulette. Its not just a matter of that it can kill you.

    Its how its kills you.

    Believe me I've seen people die from smoking and its not a pretty site.

    I'd give it up if I were you Johnny. You won't regret it.

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  23. Anonymous11:00 PM

    I've been following President George H W Bush in the news lately and the statements he's been making, about life, his family, being humble and not a braggart (why didn't his son ever get this message?), and his own mortality which he knows is coming to an end soon. The man still impresses me to this day. He never got a fair shake in the press. And his son made his name hated, but he was actually a fine President and a good man.

    I don't agree with everything he does or believed in, but I think all in all we could do a lot worse.


    What I'd like to see is Americans coming together again. We have a pretty evenly matched Presidential race this time. Two candidates that by George W Bush (dubya) standards are reasonably moderate.

    Can't we just agree now as a country that whichever one gets elected this time that we're just going to go ahead and support them, pray for their success and do our best to help make it work?

    Tell the partisan hacks to take a hike. We've had enough of being made to look like fools to the rest of the world.

    Whoever wins this time, I want them to succeed. I'm so tired of partisan rhetoric that I could puke.

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  24. Anonymous2:13 AM

    Okay.

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  25. Lydia Cornell2:21 AM

    I don't have the stomach for any more fighting. The minute I hear negative naysaying, put downs, lies, or anyone just constantly putting down the president or anyone, I am totally turned off. Romney and the right wing don't seem to realize the key to life: that being negative and cheap and miserly (and lying( is the quickest way to achieve poverty. Focusing on the negative and harping ad nauseum on the 'deficit' which is only so huge because Obama finally put 2 of Bush's wars on a credit card....

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  26. Anonymous8:55 AM

    I think a lot of its the people behind the men, egging on the fights and telling them what to say.

    So many looooooooosers out there today are predicting the "end of the world" and all the 2012 crap.

    On December 22nd, they're going to feel pretty stupid. But in the meantime we have to listen to all these losers who want to see it all "TORN DOWN", ...so they can build it back up again.

    What we need is some "can do" attitude and some TEAMWORK again.

    If we'd all just agree that WHOEVER wins, Romney or Obama, that they will be our President and we'll support them then we might start to resemble the United States again.

    Of course a good start would be to stop fighting against President Obama NOW, and work with him to try to get the economy on its feet.

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  27. Anonymous9:12 AM

    If you look online these days all you see are two sides calling the other one bad.

    Headlines each and every day now.

    "Romney rips Obama"

    "Obama rips Romney".

    "Romney blasts Obama on economy"

    "Obama blasts Romney on economy"

    And the comments sections?

    Just two opposing sides telling the other one how bad they are.

    THIS is not the America we grew up in. At least those of us over 40.

    This resembles some pathetic Banana republic with two warring factions vying for power.

    We need to all just take a DEEP BREATH, step back and examine ourselves and ask ourselves what do we really want.

    To prove the other guy wrong?

    Or to see our country succeed again?

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  28. Anonymous9:28 AM

    Candidates need to stop telling us what the other guys going to do wrong, and start telling us what they're going to do that's right.

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  29. Anonymous9:05 PM

    Examining ones own partisanship sucks, doesn't it?


    Now if we could just get the candidates to do it.

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  30. Anonymous8:15 AM

    Hey Johnny, you there?

    I know you lift. Do you ever take supplements or such? I've been thinking of "juicing", not steroids mind you but buying a juicer to make fresh vegetable and fruit juices. You ever do anything like that?

    I'm not a big fan of vegetables, always been a meat and potatoes sort of guy but its supposed to provide amazing health benefits.

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  31. Well,I haven't lifted in many months and don't care to at this point.......many other priorities!

    I am in reasonably good shape but it does piss me off how quickly you lose your mass.

    As for supplements I usually take "creatine" with excellent results. Years ago I plateaued and did think about using steroids but didn't after learning more about them. I tried something called HMD once and it did nothing......promised to make me look like Arnie....lol!

    I used to be so dedicated that I would only consume 15 to 20 grams of fat per day max.......fruits and veggies are a must!! My fridge was always stocked with the best cuts of meats ,shrimp, fish,boneless chicken,fruits veggies,etc........we ate like kings!

    However, I am completely helpless when it comes to suicide chicken wings.....mmmmmm!

    In my opinion protein powders are a big fat waste of money.

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  32. Anonymous5:52 PM

    Yea, the creatine is probably the best supplement I've used. I use "Con-Cret", it doesn't bloat me the way the straight Monohydrate does.

    I also like "Purple Wraath" and "White Flood". I tried the NO hemodialters like NO2Black but they just make me feel sick.

    I still lift regularly but as I've gotten older it is harder to push yourself and I don't heal up as quick as I did when I was a young man so the Creatine really helps.

    But I watched this movie called "Sick, Fat and Nearly Dead" and they were pushing the veggie juicers and they seemed to really increase strength and energy. The idea is to get lots of vegetables (more than you could eat) in one sitting.

    Jack La Lane swore by them and even had his own juicer, so I thought I might give one a try. I like basic vegetables like peas, carrots, salads, etc but I don't eat enough of them. Just wondered if you'd tried one. Trying to figure out what the best ones are. I've been reading the reviews online and it looks like the best ones run several hundred bucks but I think I'll try one anyway. Can't hurt.

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  33. Anonymous5:56 PM

    And yea, protein powders don't work for me either. You don't digest it right in powder form. I gave up red meat a while back and feel better for it but I do miss my steaks and burgers on the grill. But I get enough protein from chicken, fish, turkey and eggs as well as lots of nuts.

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  34. Anonymous5:56 PM

    And I can eat about 100 "Dave & Busters" chicken wings.

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  35. Yesterday, I briefly started checking out funny pranks on YouTube and eventually ended up on the “Manson girls."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwwH5enIhCI&feature=watch_response

    I watched videos of Susan Atkins who, without question, showed genuine remorse........she possessed a look in her eye that said “Man was I ever fantastically stupid!!”

    She served almost forty years and in 2008 was diagnosed with brain cancer. Half paralyzed with just months to live, she kindly asked the parole board that she be allowed to live out her last few remaining months in the outside world.

    Ultimately, she was denied and I couldn’t believe it........how unbelievably cruel and inhumane!

    Surely, forty years warrants something!!!???

    When I watch early videos of her acting under Charlie’s brainwashing, acid trip bullshit, I see an impressionable dim-witted kid who made a bad choice as experience had not taught her otherwise. I feel intensely sorry for Susan......call me crazy………I don’t care!

    Naturally, I feel just as bad for Tate, Folger, and the others who were unjustly denied the right to life.

    Nevertheless, this cold-hearted cruelty, by the state, upon a remorseful woman who lost her entire life yet still worked with kids………… just ASTOUNDS me.

    My blood is boiling right now as I didn’t even know she was dead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwqooUe0wC0&feature=related (2002 interview)

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  36. Anonymous9:38 PM

    Go into the Yahoo blogs and read the story on David A. Hemler, the guy who deserted from an Air Force base in 1984 because he was in his words "disillusioned with Reagan's policies".

    This is something that happened 3 decades ago yet read the comments from the frothing at the mouth conservatives in there calling for his head on a platter.

    Practically every comment in there is screaming "Drag him back in chains! lock him up!" ....many even calling for him to be executed.

    Any comments that call for a little compassion are immediately denounced as "liberal weakness" and "cowardice".

    There's no compassion left in conservatism. Not the conservatives of today.

    George H. W. Bush, one of my all time favorite President's and a man for whom I have a lot of admiration coined the term "compassionate conservative" back in the 1980's when he ran for office. Most of these frothing at the mouth angry nuts aren't even old enough to remember that.


    He tried to find a balance of compassion with the values of conservatism and it's one of the reasons he lost to Clinton. Modern conservatives will have none of that. The far right ones anyway.

    That's why its so important that those in this world still left with a semblance of reason and humanity in them come together and move past this partisan hackery that's dominating the political front today. Far right or far left extremism isn't the answer.

    Teamwork is the answer. Finding the common bonds that unite us as good and decent people is how we're going to evolve as a planet.

    So I'm glad to see a little human compassion in you. It's encouraging.

    There may be hope for you yet, Johnny Moo Moo.

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  37. Anonymous7:51 AM

    FAR OUT, MAN

    That's my favorite 70s expression

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  38. Anonymous7:52 AM

    What in the Bejeezus are bath salts? Huh? Why would anyone eat them?

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  39. Anonymous8:59 AM

    Last two comments about 70s expressions and bath salts aren't mine.

    Going to have to remember to sign them.

    Worf.

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  40. Hey,dude,did you like the bunny from my 2:45 PM post? Like, can you totally dig it mannnnnnnnnnnnnn!?

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  41. Worf

    I have a new name for our sixties/seventies friend………we'll call him……… “Slab.”

    I’m not sure but I believe Slab was one of the “Hatrocks” kids on The Flintstones. He only grunted and was Pebbles friend………they almost went over the waterfall until Fred saved them!


    The David A. Hemler case needs more details, but it’s certainly worthy of an interesting debate.

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  42. Anonymous4:21 PM

    Flintstones, lol.

    I liked Kazoo.

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  43. Anonymous4:22 PM

    I also liked the Winston Cigarette commercials Fred and Barney did, where they'd sneak off behind the house while the girls worked to enjoy a nice refreshing smoke.

    Ahh the good old days. When your favorite cartoon characters could sell you a cigarette, lol.

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  44. WORFEUS THE MERCIFUL4:28 PM

    As for the Hemler case, its pretty straight forward really.

    The guy didn't want to be in anymore, disappeared, didn't hurt anyone or do anything wrong and now has been living a decent life with a wife and kids, working for the Swedish government. He's held down a job for years, has a nice family and in no way is a threat to anyone, anywhere.

    So that's pretty much it.

    But the conservative commenters in the blogs think he should be dragged back to the US in manacles and tossed into prison for the rest of his life.

    Which is sickening to even think the thought.

    I can understand if the US denies him entry into the country and revokes his citizenship.

    But it won't do anyone any good, certainly not the guys innocent wife and kids, to toss him into one of our commercialized dungeons to rot like some rapist or murderer.

    Compassion is something sorely lacking here, and your comment the other night inspired a touch, however fleeting it might be, of hope in me.

    I realize its not "cool" for you and I to talk of such things, but it did inspire hope nonetheless.

    There may be some good in you after all there mister Moo Moo.

    However "uncool" it is to say it.

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  45. PEEPSTONE WORF4:30 PM

    "The only true currency in this bankrupt world is what we share with someone else when we're uncool."

    Lester Bangs - "Almost Famous"

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  46. "Compassion is something sorely lacking here, and your comment the other night inspired a touch, however fleeting it might be, of hope in me."

    Sniff...someone please......sniff.....pass the tissue.

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  47. A WORFEUS By Any Other Name5:10 PM

    See? Told you it'd be fleeting.

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  48. PEEPSTONE WORF5:14 PM

    Of course the truth is all the little spoiled, ignorant little schoolyard brats grew up, and not having the yokes placed upon them our parents had, grew into ignorant little vile brutes, who label honorable, masculine traits like compassion as something "weak" and "sissy".

    Its easier for them to dismiss such traits and maintain their holier than thou self righteousness over those whom they condemn to prison or worse.

    Go into Yahoo right now and you'll see about a 95 percent ratio of "lock him up!" comments to those calling for a little human compassion.

    And those calling for compassion are immediately shot down as liberal pansy weakness.

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  49. WORFEUS AND HIS MAGIC PEEPSTONE5:20 PM

    But how much do you want to bet that these same people drive down the freeway at 70, 80 and even 90 mph?

    Race through 35 and 40 mile per hour zones at 55 or 60?

    Well, in the US that's a felony in most states. Its called negligent driving, and can get you more than a revoked operators license.

    It can land you in jail.

    And how much do you want to bet, that these same hypocrites when caught doing 20 mph over the posted speed limit, ...don't offer up their license along with their freedom and say "your honor, I's like you to throw the book at me and charge me with a felony, then throw me into jail for 5 years?".

    Instead, when its their turn, oh well then there's "excuses". Reasons.

    "oh I didn't know I was going that fast"....or, "I had to get to work or I'd be fired".

    In every case these same people, when its THEIR TURN, ......plead for mercy.

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  50. WORFEUS EARP5:23 PM

    "Why is it that those who plead for mercy, ....never give it?"

    Con Vallian - Louis L'Amour's "The Quick and the Dead"

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  51. Anonymous9:21 PM

    Jesus put it this way.

    By what measure you give, so shall you be given.

    Thus, those calling for the head of this man on a platter, over ONE SINGLE MISTAKE in his life, a man who's lived a good life since and done no harm, .....well.....when they make their mistake, ...and they will, ...because we all make em.....then rather than pleading for the mercy they never gave, ...they ought to receive that which they wished on another.


    Some call it karma, others call it fate, others call it God.

    Whatever you call it, in the end, it just getting back what you put out.

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  52. Palmer Joss9:29 PM

    I know you said you don't believe in God Johnny, or something to that effect. But consider this.

    We are intelligent, sentient beings.

    The universe created us.

    Therefore the universe contains intelligence and sentience.

    As Doctor Carl Sagan once said;

    "We are star stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself"

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  53. Palmer Joss9:33 PM

    So if the universe can create intelligence, and therefore is on some level sentient or in some manner tied to sentience and intelligence, ...therein lies what we call God.


    What is God? Don't know. Neither do any of the preachers, pastors prophets and popes telling you they do.

    But what I do know, is on some level there is something greater than our finite brains can fathom, and that something we call God.

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  54. Well,as René Descartes said God could be an "Evil Genius."

    And, we most definitely are "star stuff."

    But, what bothers me is what is the purpose of this "star stuff???"

    And,what is the purpose of the purpose?

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  55. Man,its hot up here.

    Worf,lets take a dip in Lydia's pool.......we can toss Fluffo around like a football....lol!

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  56. Anonymous6:47 AM

    Is that really his name? "fluffo"?

    lol.

    Yea its miserable hot here too.

    In fact this me right now.

    http://youtu.be/j7GJcKuVGm8

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  57. Palmer Joss Worfeus7:11 AM

    But, what bothers me is what is the purpose of this "star stuff???"


    Well therein lies the question, and in truth anyone who tells you they know exactly what its all about is merely pushing their own beliefs on you. They don't know and neither do I.

    But we can use our brains and observe what we see to get an idea about our purpose and why we're here.

    One thing that stands out is the concept of evolution. We know that we evolve as a species, and have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, to the point we are now.

    If we evolve in the physical then it makes sense that we may too evolve in the spiritual or on some greater level than our immediate perception.

    Jesus himself hinted towards this notion when he explained that how it is here so it is in "heaven".

    Other authors, such as Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) and Scott Peck (The Road Less Traveled) have likewise addressed the notion of some sort of higher level of evolution wherein that "stuff" inside of us, that spark as it were that fires the neurons in our brains continues to grow long after we leave this mortal existence. In fact Peck wrote that whatever God is, we must be similar in nature and no doubt are being groomed in some manner to become like him\her\etc.

    Religions too point to this concept. Mormons for example call it "eternal progression", wherein they believe that we will grow into some sort of Godlike status as we learn and evolve over the eons. In fact they have a coined saying that explains this; "as man is, God once was, as God is, man may become".

    Science fiction writers and even TV shows have touched on these notions, such as the Star Trek series, which showed one episode where a former captain evolves into some sort of Godlike being. And in the modern (if you can call the 90s modern, lol) Star Trek "Voyager" a character on the show "Kes" in one episode (her final one) evolves into a omnipresent being of light.

    What exactly will we be? Don't know. But again in the New Testament the author of the book of John alluded to this concept;

    "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is"..

    In fact Jesus himself said (quoting the Psalmist)

    "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?".

    Regardless of what you believe or don't believe, one things for certain. As a man (and woman) ages, we increase in knowledge and wisdom. Life's lessons, many of which are harsh, teach us and we grow in intellect and ability.

    At the end of course as death creeps in some fall into disease and dementia, but this is merely the demise of the body. Up until that point we grow and continue to learn. So the question is to what end? Why continue to learn if we are finite creatures? Why would evolution cause us to increase in knowledge. Wouldn't some sort of evolutionary process make more sense to bestow on us knowledge at an early age when it would best do us good? But it doesn't. Instead we increase in knowledge and wisdom until at which time we reach a point when this mortal coil is worn out and we cast it off.

    To what end? I don't know. But again, in the New Testament a hint of this process is eluded to as we see in Paul's epistle to the Corinthians;

    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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  58. Palmer Joss Worf7:21 AM

    What I do know is it's not for nothing, and its not some "accident" that we're here.

    The universe itself created us, and formed the complex, intelligent and mathematical DNA that makes up our bodies. As Einstein noted the universe itself, particularly our solar system, works in clocklike precision creating a perfect habitable environment for our existence.

    6000 years ago the authors of Genesis spoke of a "flaming sword turning in every direction" to protect our environment.

    Now with modern science we know that indeed a flaming boundary exists protecting us from external objects that could cause massive damage, without which we'd be constantly showered by meteorites that would lay waste to everything here on earth.

    How did they know this 6000 years ago? Sure they described what they didn't understand in simplistic storybook terms, but the underlying science is there.

    So whatever our purpose is, clearly there appears to be one, and whatever it is it seems to involve our growing in knowledge and wisdom and with this, comes the characteristic of compassion. What Lydia (and John) call "love".

    Might sound sappy, but there does seem to be truth in it. So for now I guess we'll have to be content with "looking through a glass darkly", until at which time our eyes are opened to a larger understanding of our purpose and intent.

    But working towards the good, and casting off the base, vile and foul, ...seems to be a step in the right direction.

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  59. Palmer Joss Worf8:18 AM

    And a quick peruse of the "Tea Party" doctrine, ideals, mores' and values shows them to be completely in opposition to that concept and the doctrines taught by Christ and his apostles in the New Testament.

    The only love they seem to embrace is a love for "their own kind". All others in their eyes can "go to hell".

    When confronted with the concept of a young man dying because he doesn't have health insurance they laugh and applaud his death, openly and without reservation.

    Gleefully even.

    Though Jesus said to love our enemies and pray for them, the Tea Party preaches hate, prejudice and slaughter. Sure we must defend ourselves from them. But spreading vile hatred, crying for war and even mass genocide (as voltron even, in here has repeatedly called for)is the exact opposite of what was taught by Jesus.

    When confronted with the poor and needy they again, gleefully chortle at the notion of letting them "starve". They ridicule them as lazy, good for nothing slobs and paint the poor in the most unsavory of lights, as we see them here throwing dollar bills on a man (who actually retired from a long and hard working career) with Parkinson's disease, all the while mocking and ridiculing him.

    Rather than showing compassion for those in prison they gleefully despise them as deserving their plights and say "let em rot", like they do to this guy who made ONE MISTAKE 30 YEARS AGO, who they'd like to see drug back in chains and "locked up for the rest of his life".


    And rather than embracing Christ's message of peace and worship of him they worship guns, power and war.

    All in his name.

    So rather than love they embrace hate.

    Rather than compassion they preach apathy and bile.

    Rather than tolerance they teach prejudice.

    Rather than peace they preach war.

    And rather than mercy they preach the harshest of condemnations for any who make a mistake.

    These therefore as the man said, "they do honor him with their lips, but their hearts are far from him".

    So while I cannot presume to tell you what exactly its all about, or what God, Christ, etc are all about, I can tell you based on what he taught, that what the Tea Party preaches is not it.

    In fact its the exact opposite, ....or "anti-Christ", ...as it were.

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  60. " And how much do you want to bet, that these same hypocrites when caught doing 20 mph over the posted speed limit, ...don't offer up their license along with their freedom and say "your honor, I's like you to throw the book at me and charge me with a felony, then throw me into jail for 5 years?".

    Instead, when its their turn, oh well then there's "excuses". Reasons.

    "oh I didn't know I was going that fast"....or, "I had to get to work or I'd be fired".

    In every case these same people, when its THEIR TURN, ......plead for mercy."


    Beautifully said........seriously!!!

    :D

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  61. Without a doubt much of your logic regarding “star stuff” and evolution makes good sense.

    As a matter of fact it sounds so good that I simply don’t have the heart to provide an anti-thesis at this point in time………LOL!


    I took a blue pill today and all I see is puppy dogs and flowers.

    As for "purpose" I believe Friedrich Nietzsche put it best when he said:

    "The purpose of life is to overcome that which stands in its way."

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  62. PALMER WORF3:48 PM

    You and ole Nietzsche.

    I really think you should consider broadening your horizons of philosophical meanderings, ...particularly considering Nietzsche was the foundation for most of Hitler's doctrine.

    Nonetheless, lets examine that quote.

    ""The purpose of life is to overcome that which stands in its way."

    If you believe that, then you're still left with your original question.

    To what end?

    Why overcome anything?

    After all, life is a terminal disease.

    As soon as you get it, you're dying. In fact, even our planet's a terminal case. Now, it might not be for 500 million years.....(or a lot sooner if the warmongers have their way),...but end it will.

    So why exist? What is the reason?

    If we're going to die and just "be nothing", why not do it now? After all, if you're going to die and be nothing, then you won't be around to regret it.

    You won't "miss" anything.

    Because you won't "be" anything.

    Heck, might as well be Hitler, because by the atheists 'beliefs', ...its no different for Hitler than it is for Mother Teresa or Abraham Lincoln.

    All just "worm food". So life is therefore without purpose, has no goal or direction or anything other than just to exist for the sake of existing, regardless of whether you mass murder millions or spend your life in charitable works. It all means the same thing ultimately.

    Worm food.

    Pointless.

    Without memory or merit.

    Thus for life's purpose to be to "overcome" anything makes no sense.

    Because if we're not going anywhere then we certainly don't need to work too hard to get there.

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  63. WORFEUS JOSS4:05 PM

    And for all those people who say "because I want to live every minute of it, ...and enjoy as much as I can", ...again I say "why"?

    What difference could it possibly make?

    If what the atheist believes is correct, then what possible difference could it make?

    As soon as your heart stops beating, you won't know the difference anyway. You won't know whether you "lived life to its fullest" or not.

    You won't know anything.

    So we all might as well walk into the sea and drown.

    Because if the atheist is correct, ...then it won't mean a damned thing.

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  64. PALMER WORF4:52 PM

    Consider this.

    Science knows how the brain works, via the synaptic explosions via chemicals residing in the synaptic regions, (the area between cells) but they don't know "why" we think a thought. They don't know where the thought originates. They just know the mechanics involved but they don't yet have a postulation as to the origins of that thought.

    They know basically how it works, but they'll be the first to admit they don't know why it works.

    In science, quantum physics and multidimensional theory are ground breaking areas of study that provide a scientific foundation for doctrines of faith that have existed since the days of the Clovis people.

    The concept of a "stuff" that exists in or somehow attached to us that is merely housed in these mortal mobiles, that exists on a plane not readily discernible via our temporal senses now has a foundation in scientific theories.

    Dimensions that exist at different frequencies, (resonating vibrations perhaps left from the big bang for example, and that provide cohesion to matter) which resonate on a level not discernible from our own dimensional frequency, are in fact now considered a reality.

    If this is true, then science is pointing us towards the potential location for that "stuff" that most religions and beliefs refer to as the spirit or "soul".

    So relegating belief to the realm of childish fairy tales, however superior that might make the atheist feel, no longer merits the scientific superiority attributed to it. Because if multidimensional theory is correct, and finer matter can exist (which now has been confirmed in the Super Collider)on a plane not discernible or visible to our temporal sphere, then the possibilities suddenly become very real and tangible.

    In truth I see the atheist mind as lazy as the religious fundamentalist, wherein both draw conclusions based on beliefs which comfort them on some level, yet without confronting the very real and hard questions staring them in the face.

    Thus both the atheist and the fundamentalist exist as merely two opposite sides of a coin, each having made up their minds thus lazily closing them when in fact they should be opening them.

    The only difference being the fundamentalists are more likely to serve refreshments.

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  65. LOL.............welcome to philosophy Worf!

    :D

    All I can say regarding your last three posts is that purpose is a vagary of perception whether ones intentions are good or evil which btw is also a vagary of perception.

    Whether or not there is any ultimate meaning to all this..........I really don't know!?

    My guess there is not as I am truly convinced that there is no ultimate goal....... if there were then we would eventually reach it.
    However, this would completely nullify our purpose and existence insofar there would be nothing else to strive for as everything has been carefully thought out, hence.......no problems……thus our brains would become obsolete!

    At the other end of the spectrum ........and this is kinda scary.....if there is no ultimate goal then this would imply that mankind is forever evolving, however, with no ultimate objective or final goal then what is the purpose of striving for something that can never be reached???????

    Even God himself could not answer the insanities posed by these two conundrums……………but an Evil Genius might!?

    Either that or we're just futile space dust running around in circles....... hopelessly disillusioned animals looking for answers that can never be found?

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  66. Also,I do know, 100%, that good cannot exist without evil and vice-versa.

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  67. Yes multidimensional theory is interesting but who said it has to have any thing to do with religion or spirituality??

    No particle accelerator could answer that.

    As a matter of fact they could invent a particle accelerator that could circle the Earth ten times and it still would not give us the answers were looking for.

    BTW,do you have a good link for this statement?

    "Because if multidimensional theory is correct, and finer matter can exist (which now has been confirmed in the Super Collider)on a plane not discernible or visible to our temporal sphere"

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  68. Anonymous9:23 PM

    You clearly are either drunk, or didn't read any of my comments.

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  69. Anonymous9:25 PM

    I mean come on Johnny, I don't mind responding, but do you really need me to restate everything that I stated so clearly?

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  70. Anonymous9:27 PM

    My guess there is not as I am truly convinced that there is no ultimate goal....... if there were then we would eventually reach it.


    First, don't substitute "purpose" for "goal".

    You change the meaning. I used the word goal ONCE, in addition to purpose.

    But my comments were with regards to a purpose to our existence, not some "finish line".

    You cheapen everything I said and change its meaning by doing this.

    This is a voltron tactic, please don't use it.

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  71. RERUN WORF9:34 PM

    Secondly, try reading what I wrote again, and this time put down the beer, clean your glasses and use the brain I know is in there somewhere.

    Rather than rewrite everything in some simpler form, I'll reprint it.

    This is what I said.

    _____

    One thing that stands out is the concept of evolution. We know that we evolve as a species, and have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, to the point we are now.

    If we evolve in the physical then it makes sense that we may too evolve in the spiritual or on some greater level than our immediate perception.

    Jesus himself hinted towards this notion when he explained that how it is here so it is in "heaven".

    Other authors, such as Bach (Jonathan Livingston Seagull) and Scott Peck (The Road Less Traveled) have likewise addressed the notion of some sort of higher level of evolution wherein that "stuff" inside of us, that spark as it were that fires the neurons in our brains continues to grow long after we leave this mortal existence. In fact Peck wrote that whatever God is, we must be similar in nature and no doubt are being groomed in some manner to become like him\her\etc.

    Religions too point to this concept. Mormons for example call it "eternal progression", wherein they believe that we will grow into some sort of Godlike status as we learn and evolve over the eons. In fact they have a coined saying that explains this; "as man is, God once was, as God is, man may become".

    Science fiction writers and even TV shows have touched on these notions, such as the Star Trek series, which showed one episode where a former captain evolves into some sort of Godlike being. And in the modern (if you can call the 90s modern, lol) Star Trek "Voyager" a character on the show "Kes" in one episode (her final one) evolves into a omnipresent being of light.

    What exactly will we be? Don't know. But again in the New Testament the author of the book of John alluded to this concept;

    "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is"..

    In fact Jesus himself said (quoting the Psalmist)

    "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?".


    Regardless of what you believe or don't believe, one things for certain. As a man (and woman) ages, we increase in knowledge and wisdom. Life's lessons, many of which are harsh, teach us and we grow in intellect and ability.

    At the end of course as death creeps in some fall into disease and dementia, but this is merely the demise of the body. Up until that point we grow and continue to learn. So the question is to what end? Why continue to learn if we are finite creatures?

    Why would evolution cause us to increase in knowledge. Wouldn't some sort of evolutionary process make more sense to bestow on us knowledge at an early age when it would best do us good? But it doesn't. Instead we increase in knowledge and wisdom until at which time we reach a point when this mortal coil is worn out and we cast it off.

    To what end? I don't know. But again, in the New Testament a hint of this process is eluded to as we see in Paul's epistle to the Corinthians;

    For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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  72. HIGGS WORFON10:12 PM

    BTW,do you have a good link for this statement?



    Ahhh, I forget sometimes I'm dealing with the minds of the xbox generation, for whom the sum of all knowledge should be drilled down to a "link".

    No Johnny, there isn't one "link" that explains quantum physics, multidimensional (String) theory, black holes, etc for you or for me or some of the recent breakthroughs at various particle accelerators around the world and their impact in understanding the origins of matter.

    I've been reading about this stuff since the 1970's, and I don't even understand it on anything more than a superficial level.

    You need to read up on it to get the gist of it. Several breakthroughs have occurred over the last decade in this area and where the research is going.

    Some matter has been recreated by Heavy Ion collider at Brookhaven, and at the Hadron there have been evidence of what appears to look like Higgs boson;.

    This is a superficial article at Wired that touches on it, and you can read that here.

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/06/latest-higgs-rumors/

    Its all tied to black holes, space time and dimensions.

    And of course any good episode of Star Trek can illuminate you (don't laugh, Star Trek was based on valid scientific principle and theory, many of which is in use today like the ION engines for example, which power deep space NASA space craft).

    Multidimensional theory is taking shape, (pardon the pun) and if the theories are correct, we've laid a foundation for the existence of matter on a level that could easily account for the spiritual planes believed in by so many of the worlds various religions.

    And of course for energy that could be the basis for what religionists believe to be our souls.

    I'll try to make it simpler so you can understand what I'm saying here.

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  73. SUB ATOMIC WORF10:43 PM

    Do you know anything about radio or telecommunications? If so that can help you understand the concept of multidimensional theory and how it might play into the very real existence of some sort of spiritual plane of existence that exists in our same space time (or at least space) but on a level indiscernible to us.

    If you were around in the 1960's, then you remember the advent of the "FM" transistor radios. Everyone had one back then. Even us kiddies.

    Little portable radios that got not only the standard "AM" but the groovy cool new "FM" stations that came in so much clearer and with a more stable consistent signal.

    The reason for this was a process called "FREQUENCY MODULATION".

    AM was the standard back then and many radios only provided AM signals. In fact most car radios back then were only AM even though FM was introduced back in the 1930s. This had to do with the way the signal traveled and the number of transmitters required. While AM signals were not as good quality, they could travel farther making them the standard. But new technology permitted FM to take hold, particularly back in the 1960s.

    AM was "Amplitude Modulation", which in very simplistic terms meant that the signal was modulated via signal strength or amplitude, whereas Frequency Modulation means the signal is modulated via the frequency of the hertz cycle.

    AM spans between 535 to 1705kHz on the AM band, but frequency modulation was able to utilize more of the same spectrum by leveraging the frequency that the signal cycles.

    So picture a signal wave bouncing up and down. The signal comes through at the same amplitude or signal strength but is discerned at the other end by the equipment based on the frequency of the signal. Thus multiple signals can exist on the same carrier wave yet without the right equipment tuned to the correct frequency you can't discern the signal.

    Now translate this to multidimensional theory.

    Matter resonates at a frequency, perhaps based on the big bang for example. Matter in our space time and our dimension resonates at a given frequency. Now suppose that other particles, perhaps based on their density or structural makeup resonate at a different frequency.

    Were this the case, then matter resonating at this different frequency would be undetectable to matter resonating at a frequency on which the particles that make up our universe exist. Like the radio receiver that must be "tuned" to the correct frequency, so too without the subatomic particles that make up our bodies and all matter in our universe resonating at the correct frequency, other matter could exist in our own space without being discernible to us.

    It could literally occupy the same space as us, and never "bump" into us.

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  74. WORFEUS THE FRIENDLY GHOST10:48 PM

    Thus our "spirits" could in reality be matter (or energy) resonating at a frequency (bouncing up and down) at a level not synchronized with the frequency our own physical matter, thus indiscernible to us.

    Therefore its scientifically feasible that we could indeed possess some sort of "soul" that exists within our bodies, yet is completely indiscernible to us or any technology we posses.

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  75. WORFTRON PARTICLE11:10 PM

    And if you want more compelling and titillating data adding credence to such concepts, consider the "Double-Slit" experiments.

    The experiments basically demonstrate that our "perception" and "observance" of matter and energy directly impact its existence.

    Mind boggling to be sure, but in fact this is a principle deduced way back in the 1800s and that's been repeatedly demonstrated in modern times.

    Basically it involves firing photons against a backdrop, then examining the residual impact patterns.

    In a nutshell (a very simplistic one),electrons when observed collapsed the wave structure creating mass, i.e. "particles", whereas those not observed maintained a wave state.

    In a simpler nutshell, our observance of matter had an impact in the state of that matter. As if it knew it was being observed.

    I know that's going to be a hard one, but nonetheless its what the experiments show and point to a very fluid state of existence that is impacted by our own existence and observation of it.

    And since I know you'll ask, here's a link to a simple you tube video that will help explain the doubleslit experiments.

    http://youtu.be/DfPeprQ7oGc

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  76. PEEPSTONE WORF11:15 PM

    Thus we see that while science does not prove the existence of a soul, spiritual world, God, etc, ...it does at least provide for a viable foundation for the existence of such things.

    It seems the more we learn, the more likely our primitive belief systems become.

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  77. "All just "worm food". So life is therefore without purpose, has no goal or direction"

    and then later.......

    "But my comments were with regards to a purpose to our existence, not some "finish line"."


    Geez,and you accuse me of drinking beer. Sounds like you broke into Uncle Bills liquor cabinet again? BTW, thanks for reminding me......I need to pick some up!

    :D

    I was simply expanding the subject so as to warrant a response from you regarding ultimate goal vs.no ultimate goal.


    Also,there's not a night that goes by where I don't fall asleep at my keyboard. One time I woke up to find it underneath me.....lol! I am a little guilty of reading your comments quickly but I do read them.

    And, pleeeeeeeeease I don't need a lesson on particle accelerators string theories,black holes,or the search for the so called "God Particle.

    I once told a guy many years ago that one teaspoon of a neutron star could weigh billions of tons. He said "THATS IMPOSSIBLE" and that I was full of it.....lol!

    Multidimensional theory is very interesting but you have to stop watching those Hollywood movies.

    I did read this sentence wrong:

    "Because if multidimensional theory is correct, and finer matter can exist (which now has been confirmed in the Super Collider)"

    I incorrectly thought you said the super collider had found evidence supporting multidimensional theory so I wanted a "good link" to support your bold statement. My bad....I read this too fast!

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  78. Did you ever see the movie "Watchmen"? I would love to evolve into a dude like that blue guy......he was cool!


    Or maybe even "Q" from STNG.

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  79. WORFEUS THE PEARL SWINE THROWER7:03 AM

    Johnnymoosehead said...

    "All just "worm food". So life is therefore without purpose, has no goal or direction"

    and then later.......

    "But my comments were with regards to a purpose to our existence, not some "finish line"."


    Geez,and you accuse me of drinking beer



    uhhhhh , ...yea Johnny....like I said you need to read sober.

    Then your brain could associate the first line, with the one right after it, ..

    "You change the meaning. I used the word goal ONCE, in addition to purpose."



    .....see?

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  80. SWINE PEARL TOSSER WORF7:15 AM

    This is why the good book warns us not to "cast our pearls before the swine".

    Because the swine won't know what to do with them.

    I only mentioned the word goal "ONCE", as I clearly stated. I spoke more of meaning and purpose. You however fixate on the word goal, which is fine, but in doing so take the voluminous posts I took the time to write out for you and turn it into some sort of semantics debate.

    Its not.

    And I won't re-summarize my comments a third time.

    You need to put down the beer, clean your glasses, cast off the X-box generation mentality of dull witted smuggery and read.

    "skimming" over hours of content that I took time to spell out and painstakingly write for you, things I've spent the better part of my life contemplating and studying, .....well....brings validity to the futility of casting ones pearls before the swine, ....as it were.


    Go back and reread what I wrote.

    Do it sober, and with an open mind.

    Don't skim it. READ it. Think about it. It doesn't require some immediate witty comeback. I'm not "arguing" with you. I'm trying to open your mind a little and sharing with you concepts that have formed in my perception over half a century of contemplation.

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  81. WORFEUS LOST7:19 AM

    These concepts didn't come from movies. They didn't come from a single "link" or webpage.

    They came from years of Seminary, study, commitment to church, then the inevitable "crisis of faith" that lasted years, ...a decade long "Rumspringa" ...and the eventual correlation of the experiences of these things, life, science, faith, religion, and countless hours poured into sincere, introspective study and reason.

    You can bury them in nonsense if you like, as you and others have done so often in here...or not.

    But that's all the pearls I've got for you at the moment. You need polish the ones that are there, prior to looking for more.

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  82. WORFEUS OF SUNNYBROOK FARMS7:23 AM

    "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

    - Matthew 7:6

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  83. This is getting comical...

    I'm so sick of all the negativity. Let me say something negative about the republicans.

    We need to stop partisanship and everyone come together. It's all those eff'n republicans fault.

    We could all get along if everyone else just stopped having principles and became advocates for socialism like us.

    I'm surprised it took so many years for you guys to come to the conclusion that if we all gave up our own opinions and simply accepted your worldview we could all get along...

    You know though, there will be those rebels who refuse to go along with this idea. We should probably penalize those who refuse to accept correct thought, AND create a government branch to enforce it.

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  84. Setting all that up would take money though, so of course the government would have to raise taxes to pay for it.

    Then you might have a problem with those GREEDY rat bastards who think they should be able to keep what they worked so hard for...

    I suppose we could take up donations, but rather then spend our own money (we really don't have enough to make a difference) it'd be better if we could just get the government to take everybody else's money.

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  85. After all, I've learned on this very board that the best way to get into heaven is to keep your own wealth and just demand the government take it from everyone else.

    I think it was Worf who told me, (I'm paraphrasing here) that giving your money to the government pleases Jesus and guarantees your place in the hereafter...

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  86. BTW, I'm still looking for that bible verse Worf. You know, the one where Jesus says tells us to help our government by giving them everything we own so they can be generous on our behalf?

    Perhaps with your biblical knowledge you could direct me?

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  87. "After all, I've learned on this very board that the best way to get into heaven is to keep your own wealth and just demand the government take it from everyone else."


    LOL!!!

    :D

    You never fail to amaze me Volt!

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  88. Anonymous2:43 PM

    Like I said, pearls before the swine.

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  89. Anonymous2:53 PM

    As usual, the devils minions change the words to fit his argument.

    Never mind I've pointed out a 100 times that we already pay taxes.

    Never mind that I've pointed out a 100 times that actual welfare spending equals around a 5 percent of what we spend elsewhere (like on war, business tax breaks, etc).

    Never mind that good and decent people would have no problems with a small portion of their tax dollar (fractions of a cent per individual) going to help the poor.

    Never mind all that.

    Instead any decent and honest comments are buried by this liar behind a keyboard who comes in to change what I said, and reality,... to fit his own selfishness, greed and antiChristian philosophies.

    There are still good and decent republicans out there, but this is not one of them.

    This is the modern day tea party, .....the spirit of antiChrist.

    And its not even worth a response, ...or the keystrokes it took to write this.

    Because all the swine will do, is trample that which is good and turn to attack again.

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  90. Anonymous3:43 PM

    And by the way, as I've repeatedly shown via direct quotes, Christ repeatedly demonstrated and admonished his followers to pay their taxes.

    He also repeatedly demonstrated and admonished his followers to give to the poor.

    Therefore, it would take an extremely ignorant, or extremely dishonest individual to conclude that Christ would not want a portion of those taxes to be used to help the poor.

    Of course he would.

    But you keep on preaching your anti-Christ doctrines.


    Keep lying, and pretending I'm for high taxes, although I've repeatedly stated I'm for low taxes for the working class.

    Lies work best for you, because truth exposes you for what you are.

    In the end it is we ourselves who damn ourselves, ...by every word that proceeds forth from our own mouths.

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  91. Anonymous3:57 PM

    "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?

    For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

    A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

    But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."


    Matthew 12:34-37

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  92. Worf, I prefer Matthew 23 to explain how Christ would see the modern day right wing teabagger christians, and he could say the very same quotes to them.

    Voltron can look it up;

    BTW mook mook; your claims of driving me off, are as ludicrous as those of the firefly who claims to have scared the sun away at dusk.

    However do continue to suffer in your delusions in the way only you can, by believing them.

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  93. FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS WORFEUS7:34 AM

    Indeed. Parts of it seem as if he was speaking directly to the modern day Tea Party Christians.

    Verses 23 & 24 I've often found particularly poignant in this regard.

    Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites.

    For ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith...


    and...

    Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.



    Verse 24 is often confusing to some but its pretty simple actually.

    The Law of Moses taught that certain creatures were "unclean".

    Gnats were among those on the unclean list.

    So the Pharisees and other leaders would often make great shows out of cleansing their soup, broths and beverages through cloth similar to cheesecloth, to "strain out the gnats".

    Thus Jesus as he often did used stark figurative visuals to demonstrate the futility of worrying about an "unclean" gnat in ones soup, while simultaneously ignoring the poor, the widow, those in prison, the sick, ..etc.

    Thus they "strained at a gnat", yet were willing to "swallow a camel".

    Now contrast this to the modern day Tea Party, who makes a great show on stage of their Christian faith. Candidates raise their hands in debates to show how pious they are by denying science and evolution and declaring their belief that the earth was created in 6 days (as if that has anything to do with being a Christian).

    Yet when confronted with the poor, the sick and those in need, they laugh, mock, ridicule and scorn.

    As we see HERE, as Tea Party members ridicule and scorn a man who lost his health insurance and is suffering from Parkinson's disease.

    They even applaud the deaths of the sick if they have no money or insurance, as we see HERE. They even applaud executions of those in prison, ...as if Christ would sit and cheer the deaths of some miserable lowly wretch.

    Making verse 27, all the more poignant and timely in addressing not only the Pharisees and pious hypocrites of Jesus' day, but the modern day Tea Party "Christians" of whom it can easily be said;

    "for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones..."

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  94. WORFEUS7:53 AM

    And Voltron never fails to rise to the occasion, using lies, hypocrisy and his never ending tedious word games of half truths and twists, to try to justify his foul and evil philosophies of apathy, greed and selfishness.

    Rather than acknowledge that a tiny portion of our budget is used to help the poor, he lies and pretends that I or anyone here is calling for them to give "ALL THEIR MONEY" to the govt so the govt can dole it out to the poor.

    I've never, ever, ever even remotely suggested such a thing.

    No matter how many times I refute that filthy lie, he repeats it.

    Because lies are all he has to support his anti-Christian philosophies.

    I've stated over and over and over that all I or anyone wants is to see a portion of our collective tax dollars be used for the poor and the sick.

    But he like the unwitting servant of the devil he is, he twists that and changes it so that he can then make it sound absurd and support his demonic ideology of greed and apathy.

    He wants to decide for everyone what ALL our tax dollars are used for. He doesn't want any of it being used on social programs for the poor or sick.

    When the democrats suggest a social program then out comes the greedy, selfish hounds of hell to shoot it down, attack it, ridicule and and scorn it.

    And for some reason, Johnny, who should know better, sits and cackles like a demons mascot.

    At times Johnny shows a side of humanity, but when Voltron comes in, he collapses into a weak, heel kissing minion. Perhaps he just has no spine. No backbone.

    Because it takes one, to stand up to this sort of filth.

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  95. WORFEUS11:21 AM

    If only there were more republicans like George H. W. Bush left, or even Jeb Bush, who while we may not have the same philosophies and doctrines on everything, at least believe in working together to make the country work.

    George H. W. Bush coined the phrase, "compassionate conservative". But now that's a thing of the past. This new Tea Party sees compassion, mercy, charity and humanity as weaknesses, and not strengths.

    Whoever wins this upcoming election, we need to find common ground and push the Tea Party back into the hole they crawled out of.

    They don't want compromise. They don't want teamwork. They want it all "their way" and they won't settle for anything less.

    They are the problem, not the cure.

    And we need to stand up to them and move forward.

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  96. Anonymous5:58 PM

    “I used to be a conservative and I watch these debates and I’m wondering, I don’t think I’ve changed, but it’s a little troubling sometimes when people are appealing to people’s fears and emotion rather than trying to get them to look over the horizon for a broader perspective and that’s kind of where we are."

    - Jeb Bush

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  97. WORFEUS THE MERCIFUL6:50 AM

    You know, if Voltron just once came in with something other than outright lies and distortions of other peoples words, I might think there's an decent man underneath all that tea party garbage.

    I'm sure that as society goes he's a decent man in those respects. I'm sure he works hard, pays for the things he consumes, probably helps his neighbors out from time to time and I'm sure he's the sort of man who if I left my wallet on the table and left the room, that I could return an hour later and my money and credit cards would still be there.

    But where that man ends and the tea party doctrines of greed, apathy, the willingness to constantly lie and distort to and even support mass murder begin, is where our paths diverge.

    I'm not sure who he thinks he's convincing when he twists my words time and time again to fit his tea party doctrines. Me, or himself.

    Nonetheless lies are all he has.

    Nothing he said in his last posts is true. Yet I'm sure it gives him comfort to say such things, because otherwise he'd have to confront the hard, ugly truth of his twisted morals and anti-Christian philosophies.

    And God knows, he's not ready to do that.

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  98. WORFEUS THE HOPEFUL7:10 AM

    I can't tell you though, how long I've hoped and waited for him to come in just once, ....just once....with an honest intent for real discourse, ...no distortions, ...no lies and endlessly tedious and inane word games, ....just some real honest exchange of ideas and discourse.

    There's common ground after all.

    Over the years I've made it quite clear I'm not a liberal nor a conservative, but an independent, open to the good in both political ideologies.

    I understand and agree taxes should be low. Not just for the working class either, but for businesses. Too much taxation chokes business and stifles development and hiring.

    But I also understand that it "takes money to make money", and that government investment in business and infrastructure is critical to economic growth and stability.

    I've always agreed with Dick Cheney and Phil Graham's strategies of opening the mortgage market.

    Yet I also agree with democrats position of federal regulation of that market, to make sure lenders maintain sufficient capital to offset losses in higher risk markets.

    I've always agreed with the republicans stance on a strong military defense and military spending.

    But I've also always agreed with the democrats position of spending on infrastructure, public health care and charitable programs to maintain a sound domestic state.

    There's good and bad on both sides, and anyone who tells you otherwise is just a partisan hack.

    But Voltron has never, .....ever come in even one time with an ounce of reason or honesty as long as I've seen him in here.

    As Clif points out it and as I've pointed out, its just an endless stream of lies. No reason, no honest discourse, and no apparent desire to find common ground or work together.

    Just far, far right wing partisan hackery, distortions and outright lies.

    But I keep holding on to a sliver of hope....even if it does seem to be a futile one.

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  99. 20,000 WORFEUSES UNDER THE SEA6:48 AM

    Rising sea level puts US Atlantic coast at risk: report

    AP 20 hours ago

    The sea level on a stretch of the US Atlantic coast that features the cities of New York, Norfolk and Boston is rising up to four times faster than the global average, a report said Sunday.

    This increases the flood risk for one of the world's most densely-populated coastal areas and threatens wetland habitats, said a study reported in the journal Nature Climate Change.

    Since about 1990, the sea level along the 1,000-kilometre (620-mile) "hotspot" zone has risen by two to 3.7 millimetres (0.08 to 0.15 inches) per year.
    The global rise over the same period was between 0.6 and one millimetre per year, said the study by the US Geological Survey (USGS).

    If global temperatures continue to rise, the sea level on this portion of the coast by 2100 could rise up to 30 centimetres over and above the one-metre global surge projected by scientists, it added.

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  100. WORFEUS6:51 AM

    Great, ....global warming, ...apparently coming to a city near me.


    Well, fortunately I have our good tea party friends like Voltron here....to tell me its not real and all just part of a "librul conspiracy".

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  101. GLOBAL WORFING8:25 AM

    This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, ..the lies and partisan hackery that is.

    Used to be science was science.

    Now because science points out the damage big oil companies are doing to our planet and because republicans invariably are supporters of and supported by big oil companies, (and also because "Christian Conservatives believe the Bible tells us the earth is ours to trash), now suddenly science is no longer a matter for science.

    Now suddenly science is only science when it agrees with the republicans political ideologies.

    This is of course, insane.

    Let me say that again.


    This is INSANE.

    Its not just bad, ...its not just stupid or ignorant, ....its INSANE.

    Pure insanity.

    And yet the republican's minions fill the internet in droves mocking and ridiculing science because big oil (and in their minds the bible) told them to.

    So now instead of the republican party I grew up in, we have a group of insane lunatics infecting the country with their collective insane ignorance and delusions.

    The entire planet accepts the science of global warming, except for republicans, even though their minions like the troll voltron will try to say its just the democrats who believe in it.

    The world isn't divided into republicans and democrats.

    There's the entire planet that accepts science as we've always done, .....and then there are the republicans.

    The party of "anti-science".

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  102. WORFEUS6:14 PM

    Want more examples of "Christian Conservative" republican anti-science?

    Behold.

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  103. LOCH WORF MONSTER6:20 PM

    Loch Ness Monster used to debunk evolution in state-funded school

    By Claudine Zap | The Sideshow – 6 hrs ago

    It sounds like a hoax, but it's apparently true: The Loch Ness Monster is on the science class syllabus for kids at Eternity Christian Academy in Westlake, Louisiana.

    As reported by the Herald Scotland (which must track all Loch Ness-related news), a school that will receive tax-payer dollars, will teach kids that the mythological sea creature is real in order to debunk the theory of evolution. So pay attention: That will be on the test.

    Eternity Christian Academy uses the fundamentalist A.C.E. Curriculum to teach students "to see life from God's point of view."

    According to the Herald, one textbook, Biology 1099, reads, "Are dinosaurs alive today? Scientists are becoming more convinced of their existence.

    Have you heard of the 'Loch Ness Monster' in Scotland? 'Nessie' for short has been recorded on sonar from a small submarine, described by eyewitnesses, and photographed by others. Nessie appears to be a plesiosaur."

    Starting in the fall, thousands of schoolchildren will receive publicly funded vouchers to attend private schools, some of which are religious.

    Religious schools in Louisiana will receive public funding as part of a push from Louisiana's governor, Bobby Jindal,(Republican) to move millions of tax dollars to cover tuition for private schools, including small bible-based church schools. Money will fund schools that have "bible-based math books" and biology texts that refute evolution.

    At Eternity Christian Academy, pastor-turned-principal Marie Carrier says that the her first through eighth-grade students learn at their own pace from Christian workbooks.

    The beginning science text explains "what God made" on each of the six days of creation. Evolution is not taught.

    Carrier said, "We try to stay away from all those things that might confuse our children."

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  104. ONE FLEW OVER THE WORFEUSES NEST6:27 PM

    Like I said, .....insanity.

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  105. Wow Worfy, you're in full "independent" mode tonight...

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  106. WORFEUS AND HIS MAGIC PEEPSTONE8:36 PM

    No dummy, you're in "everyone who calls out the republican bullshit must be a liberal" mode.


    Which is the same mode you're in every night.

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  107. PEEPSTONE WORF8:42 PM

    For the republicans ignorance and insanity to work, they have to keep the argument a "we said\THEY said" scenario.

    They have to make it seem that only "libruls" see their nonsense for what it is.

    Because as soon as it becomes obvious that EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, ...other than themselves accept science, then suddenly their ridiculous, "Dark Ages" insanity puts them in a far remote corner, all by themselves.

    Which is where they belong.

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  108. ONE FLEW OVER THE WORFEUSES NEST8:44 PM

    ...preferably with well padded walls and coats with laces on the sleeves.

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  109. WORFEUS THE PEEPSTONE GAZER8:53 PM

    And I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge that once more, voltron proves that lies and misdirection are the only weapons in his limited arsenal, as he once more demonstrates tonight.

    Note how rather than address all the right wing philosophies and ideologies that I clearly embrace and spelled out for the thousandth time just a few comments above, he simply scurries in and calls me a liberal like a little hit and run gangster. Simply because I dare to denounce far right wing foolishness and absolute insanity.

    Because lies, are all this twit has to work with at this point.

    He couldn't go two seconds in any real honest discussion, something even Moo Moo's capable of when this trolls not around for him to suck up to.

    Lies are voltrons only ally.

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  110. DR. SIGMUND WORFEUS9:01 PM

    The only question at this point is, does he know he's lying, or is he also just lying to himself and if so, is he even aware of it?

    Or in simpler terms, ....is he bad, sad or just gone mad?

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  111. "This is of course, insane.

    Let me say that again.


    This is INSANE.

    Its not just bad, ...its not just stupid or ignorant, ....its INSANE.

    Pure insanity."


    Welcome to the Ant Farm......LOL......which,btw,could have been invented by an "Evil Genius" who is cackling in his/her chemistry lab right now in some other weirdly dimension???

    Nevertheless,your 7:10am post sounds very reasonable.......too bad that the very evil Voltron didn't bite!?

    I know a girl who says that love is the answer........perhaps you could try a little of this on him??? Go ahead.....don't be shy......tell Volty you love him......LOL!!!

    :D


    Or,maybe you have no "hope" in the use of love?

    : |

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  112. I am 100% incapable of choosing sides as both doctrines have their strengths and weaknesses.

    May I suggest that we incorporate the best of both sides into one big fat dogma and name it the "Demrepubmoo Party?"

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  113. WORFEUS THE REPEATER2:58 PM

    Voltron's mascot...errr... I mean Johnny Moo Moo said...

    Johnnymoomoo said...
    I am 100% incapable of choosing sides as both doctrines have their strengths and weaknesses.



    uh huh, how interesting.

    Except didn't I just say the same thing about 100 times now over the last week?

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  114. DE JA WORF2:59 PM

    Here, just one example posted days ago.

    WORFEUS THE HOPEFUL said...


    There's common ground after all.

    Over the years I've made it quite clear I'm not a liberal nor a conservative, but an independent, open to the good in both political ideologies.

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  115. WORFEUS THE BULLSHIT EXPOSER3:00 PM

    So that begs the question.....why would you post a comment designed to make it look like I'm asking you to "take partisan sides"?

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  116. BOXCAR WORFY3:04 PM

    In other words Johnny, save the bullshit for someone dumb enough to fall for it.

    I'm not a liberal, nor do I have a "side".

    Nor have I ever even suggested you "take one".

    If you want to actually talk, I'm all ears.


    But stow the bullshit.

    Voltron already leaves enough in his wake to fill a boxcar.

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  117. "why would you post a comment designed to make it look like I'm asking you to "take partisan sides"?"

    Far from it!

    Actually,Worf,years ago you pretty much called me an asshole for not choosing sides and labelled my way of thinking warped? I clearly recall this!

    I'm actually very glad to see that your finally evolving into a more balanced individual........everything must have balance.....period!

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  118. OK, enough of this deflection.

    Are you going to tell Volty you love him? Remember, love is the answer………LOL???!!!

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  119. WORFEUS THE BULLSHIT DETECTOR4:23 PM

    Far from it!

    Actually,Worf,years ago you pretty much called me an asshole for not choosing sides and labelled my way of thinking warped? I clearly recall this!


    Bullshit. I may have challenged you to take sides on an "ISSUE", ......years ago......but;

    1. I never presented myself as a liberal or democrat and always made it clear that I was neither.

    2. How would something I said "years ago" have any role in responding to a comment I made today?


    So sorry charlie, but only good tasting bullshit gets to be labeled Worfkist.

    And that bullshit reeks.

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  120. ROTO WORFO4:27 PM

    Voltron's mascot...er I mean Johnny said...

    I'm actually very glad to see that your finally evolving into a more balanced individual........everything must have balance.....period!


    Again, I've ALWAYS from DAY 1 taken an independent stance.

    In fact "years ago" I was railing on Obama for removing our 4th amendment protections and Pelosi and Reid for crashing the economy by pulling the rug out on the housing market.

    So sorry chief, but again that bullshit won't fly.

    Pretending that "suddenly" I became an independent even though I made it clear the first time I came in here that I was an independent and "used to be a republican but registered independent when Bush stole the office" is just more bullshit.

    So again, when you want to actually talk, let me know.

    When you want to try to float this sort of bullshit, expect me to flush it for you.

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  121. WORF AMERICAN STYLE4:30 PM

    Voltron's Dating Service Said...

    OK, enough of this deflection.

    Are you going to tell Volty you love him? Remember, love is the answer………LOL???!!!



    Well, ...I wouldn't call it love exactly, but like I said I have always held out hope that some day he'd come in to just talk, rather than sell right wing tea party talking points and lies.

    So if you want to call that love, well ok.

    But I'd put it no higher than "concern".

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  122. CRO WORFNON MAN4:46 PM

    I will say this though. I have "evolved" with regards to the need to stop the fighting and find common ground with reasonable individuals on both sides of the aisle and everything in between.

    As I've stated many times I never voted for Obama, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to vote for him now.

    Also while I voted for Kerry, (which was more of a vote against Bush than it was a vote for him) I also voted back in the first Clinton election for George H. W. Bush.

    And I've stated that fact on numerous occasions.

    So calling me a liberal or saying that I've somehow evolved politically is just more "deflection" to try to make it look like I was a liberal and now have changed.

    I grew up an "Alex P. Keaton" republican and became an independent when the republican party took a right turn towards 1930's Nazi Germany.

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  123. WORF FOR AMERICA5:19 PM

    If the republicans had any spine rather than dancing like synchronized puppets to the tea party's tune, and picked someone qualified and worth voting for Jon Huntsman, then I'd have voted republican in this upcoming election.


    Huntsman is an incredibly bright individual and more than that is a man of character, something sorely lacking in the political field today.

    The one thing that really stands out is his willingness to put country over party affiliations and work for the President, regardless of who's camp the President's in.

    This is something that chaps the Tea Party's hide though, because they don't want a reasonable man.

    They want either a far right wing fanatic like themselves, or a puppet who'll do their bidding.

    With Romney, they appear to have the latter.

    But both Romney and Obama are somewhat reasonable and moderate, and both are reasonably capable men but both easily susceptible to having their strings pulled which ultimately makes them ineffectual and incapable of making changes that matter.

    So I don't really see a difference regardless of who wins this year. Both I think will do about the same.

    So I really don't care, and don't plan to vote at all, unless some astoundingly impressive 3rd party candidate suddenly steps up to the plate.


    Of course Romney could surprise us and show a spine and tell the Tea Party to f#$k off, and pick Jon Huntsman for his running mate.

    If he did something like that, I might actually be persuaded to vote for him.

    But I doubt he will.

    I don't think his spine is going to show itself anytime before November, and probably not after November either if he wins.

    But you never know, so whichever one of them wins, I'll be hoping and praying for them to succeed and do some good for the country as we all should be doing.

    For better or worse, one of them's going to be our next President for the next four years and they're going to need our support if America's going to resemble anything like a country again.

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  124. Okay Worf, I'll bite...

    You say you're an independent?
    Fine. You're an independent.

    You're also a reactionary.

    Whatever the headline of the day, you take it and run with it without waiting for the inevitable facts to come out later.

    And while you "may" be an independent, you get your information from a very liberally biased media AND academia.

    Despite the media's claim of "consensus" on issues of global warming for instance, there are many scientists who disagree.

    You wave your hand and pass these off as paid for by those evil republicans. Yet you can't see that the aforementioned liberal academia, government agencies, and the UN with their desire to control sovereign nations pay for the studies that YOU support.

    You think THOSE "scientists" don't want to keep the money flowing into their pockets? They HAVE to support their masters agenda just as much as you believe the others support republicans.

    If "all" the scientists DID agree, then you can rest assured no REAL science is being done.

    There is also the issue of the Tea Party. EVERY group has it's nuts, but IF you were an independent you would agree on most of their issues. Especially on smaller government and lower taxes.

    By your logic I should take the young woman at an "occupy" rally telling a Russian immigrant he was totally wrong and ignorant about communism, as a example of ALL liberals...

    Your not a stupid man Worf.
    But you lead with your heart not your brain. While some of these platitudes may sound good at first glance you fail (or refuse) to see where they lead in the long term.

    This leads me to believe that although intelligent, you are:

    A) Unwise
    B) Drinking the liberal Koolaid
    or
    C) Agenda driven

    On that, I bid you Adieu,
    -Voltron

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  125. WORFEUS AND HIS MAGIC PEEPSTONE5:44 PM

    Like I said chief.


    When you want to come in to actually "talk", rather than sell right wing tea party talking points, you let me know.

    But calling the entire scientific community money grubbing puppets on the well demonstrated and easily visible subject of global warming (or evolution, or smoking causing cancer...etc) is just more tea party bullshit.


    And the only one drinking any koolaid, is you, on the Tea Party liquid.

    Although I wouldn't exactly call it kool aid.

    Its more akin to flavored urine.

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  126. GLOBAL WORFING5:51 PM

    The only problem with the science of global warming, is the liberals took the side of scientists.

    This made it easy for big oil to get tea party puppets like you to go out and make it into a political "he said\she said" issue.

    And as usual you come in, LIE through your teeth declaring that I get my information from the "librul media", when in fact I've pointed out about 1000 times to you that global warming was something we studied in science class in the 1960's in GRADE SCHOOL.

    It wasn't a librul media issue.

    It was science.

    And I was in the science fair (although I built a talking robot, not a global warming terrarium) when 3rd place was a kid with a heat lamp and and smoke in a terrarium to demonstrate the "blanket effect".

    Its not a political issue. Its a scientific fact that any 3rd grader in the 1960's could easily explain to you if you weren't so drunk on the "PEE TEA".

    So like I said, ...when you've got something more than lies and Tea Party bullshit to talk about, and actually want to talk, I'm all ears.

    But global warming is somethings that's been around a long time before the 24 hour news cycle and will be around a long time after we're gone if we don't do something about our burning of fossil fuels now.

    Whether your tea party masters let you "believe in it", or not.

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  127. WORFIMEDES5:55 PM

    If "all" the scientists DID agree, then you can rest assured no REAL science is being done.



    So if all scientists agree 2+2 equals 4, then they must be wrong?

    Seriously dude, I know you're drunk on the Pee Tea and all, but you really should leave the logic examples to me, ....or at least johnny.

    Otherwise you're gonna do yourself an injury.

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  128. GLOBAL WORFING6:11 PM

    And now like the hit and run Tea Party troll you have always shown yourself to be, rather than admit you just falsely accused me of getting my information from the "librul media" and being "reactionary to headlines" as my comments over the years have proven by repeatedly pointing out that back in the 1960's, long before you were born, we were studying the science of global warming in grade school, you'll just slither off and wait for the next time you feel like you have an opening to slip one in on.

    This is why I call out your trolling.

    And this is why I tell you now that when you want to actually talk, let me know.

    But all this was was one more attempt to slip in Tea Party bullshit while painting me as some sort of deluded liberal, because that's all you got.

    As soon as you are faced with the reality that the science of global warming's been around a long time before it became a hot button political issue, and that I don't get my information from the "librul media" but understood this science long before you were a bad thought in your daddy's mind, ...then you've got no where to go with your Tea Party talking points.


    Better pour yourself another glass of the Tea Party "Pee Tea".

    Something tells me you're gonna need it.

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  129. WORF ERAT DEMONSTRANDUM6:24 PM

    There is also the issue of the Tea Party.

    EVERY group has it's nuts, but IF you were an independent you would agree on most of their issues.

    Especially on smaller government and lower taxes.



    hmmmm,......lets see why Worfeus always calls you a liar, shall we?

    You say "if I was an independent, then I'd agree on lower taxes, ....right?


    Behold.

    3 Days ago, Worfeus wrote;


    Keep lying, and pretending I'm for high taxes, although I've repeatedly stated I'm for low taxes for the working class.
    3:43 PM



    ......and.......2 days ago Worfeus wrote....


    I understand and agree taxes should be low. Not just for the working class either, but for businesses.

    Too much taxation chokes business and stifles development and hiring.

    7:10 AM


    See Volt?


    See why I'm always calling you a liar?

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  130. WORFA VICTOR6:25 PM

    Because that's what you are.


    Quod erat demonstrandum.

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  131. Yes Worfy, I did see that.
    That is also the main beef of the Tea Party. You know, the Tea Party you hate?

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  132. You should probably stop before I have to reconsider calling you intelligent...

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  133. And this is why you can't have that "discussion" you claim to want.

    Any idea that doesn't go along with your preconceived notions are "Tea Party talking points".

    After all, no intelligent person could possibly come to a different conclusion than yours right?

    The same point I tried to make several posts ago.

    Lydia is nauseated by political nastiness. -heaps political nastiness on the republicans...

    Worf wants bipartisanship. -makes partisan attacks on republicans...

    Your idea of bipartisanship is basically everyone gives up their beliefs and goes along with you.

    Your idea of "discussion"...
    Same thing.

    And the beat goes on.

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  134. WORFA VICTOR7:32 PM

    Here we go again.

    Rather than address the fact that he just got caught lying, in comes the Tea Party troll to post more "links" to try to disprove the science of Global Warmings, that's been around long since before he was born.

    Also rather than address the fact that I have repeatedly over the years stated I'm for low taxes, thus proving he just lied in an attempt to slander me as some sort of "deluded librul", he simply continues trying to bury his lies in tea party bullshit.

    Again proving what I've said all along.

    Nothing but a Tea Party puppet, and a liar to boot.

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  135. Your more like Neo in the matrix than Johnny is.

    The only difference is you just keep on taking the blue pill.

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  136. I heard you, I read your previous posts. I just find it ironic that you despise anyone trying to act on that which you claim to believe.

    For people that claim to be more nuanced, you certainly can't see much of it can you?

    Oh, and I forgot that tactic too.
    If someone disagrees, brand them as a liar.

    That helps propagate a discussion...

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  137. Sir Worfeus of Ockham7:39 PM

    Any idea that doesn't go along with your preconceived notions are "Tea Party talking points".


    Actually its exactly the opposite.

    Of course you know that, which is why you posted that.

    The truth?

    Just because almost every source of media information other than right wing propaganda outlets like Fox publishes information on global warming, Voltron here concludes that they're all just some "massive liberal media conspiracy".

    ...never stopping to consider the fact that maybe the reason ALL of the media other than Fox news and right wing publications "accept" the science of global warming....is maybe because there is no "conspiracy",....other than the from his own party.

    After all, which is more likely?

    That every media outlet on the planet is all part of some sort of massive liberal conspiracy?

    Or that the republican news channels and outlets preach against everyone else, .....because they're wrong, and are the ones "selling lies"?


    Sir William of Ockham, ...says the latter is the most likely conclusion.

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  138. Goodnight Worf,

    I think we've just proven your not interested in a real discussion despite your claims to the contrary.

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  139. WORFEUS TROLLSMACKER7:42 PM

    And diversions won't help you son.

    You're "branded" a liar because you brand yourself one, each time you get caught lying.

    And all the subject changes, diversions and "nuh uhs" in the world won't change whats staring everyone in the face.

    You might "bury it in bullshit", ...like you normally do.

    But you won't change it.

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  140. GLOBAL WORFING7:50 PM

    Like I said troll, lying through your teeth about me, won't help you.

    I didn't come in to "debate global warming".

    Any more than I'd debate with you that 2+2=4.

    Your tea party bullshit which is the brainchild of Big Oil which helps fund your party, has been trying to disprove global warming since the liberals turned it into a political issue by championing it publicly.

    As I've stated 1000 times, and will state 1000 more if necessary, we'be known about the Blanket Effect since the 1960's, when I learned about it in GRADE SCHOOL.

    Long before you were a bad thought in your daddy's obviously limited mind.

    So trying to take advantage of a real and honest offer by me to talk by turning it into an attempt to debate that which neither you nor I are qualified to debate, is just more of your right wing, tea party "Trolling".

    Because the science of global warming isn't up for debate by people like you and me.

    Any more than the mathematical calculation of 2+2=4 is up for debate.

    Its proven science, that's been around long before you were born.

    So no.

    You don't get to "pretend" to want "honest discussion" by posting "links" to try to debate global warming.

    Its not up for debate.

    Its not a debate.

    Its not a political opinion.

    Its fact.

    And all you and your Tea Party compatriots have in your arsenal is a pathetic attempt to try to goad "liberals" into debating you on it, so you can reduce it to something that can be debating online in a chat room.

    That's the only way you have to paint it as a question, rather than the scientific fact, that it is.

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  141. WORFEUS THE SEERSTONE7:57 PM

    I just find it ironic that you despise anyone trying to act on that which you claim to believe.

    I don't "claim" to believe anything.

    I've always believed in "low taxes".

    Your problem, and the Tea Party's problem is you confuse "low taxes" with "NO taxes".

    At least when it comes to corporations, who most of which currently pay NOTHING.

    So again, your Tea Party lies won't float in here.

    You want to come at me with something more than coined, canned Tea Party one liners?

    Fine. Then do so.

    But trying to push Tea Party bullshit, and calling it honest discussion is just one more lie in your never ending stream of lies and misdirection.

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  142. WORFEUS THE PONDERER7:59 PM

    You should probably stop before I have to reconsider calling you intelligent...


    Gee, ...not being called "intelligent" by a proven liar.

    I guess that's actually an honor if you think about it for a moment...

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  143. Worf, you're an idiot.

    Now we're not going to debate that, it's proven, and it's been known since at least your birth.

    So no.

    Its not up for debate.
    Its not a debate.
    Its not a political opinion.
    Its fact.

    So with that established lets start our discussion man to idiot.

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  144. WORFA VICTOR8:07 PM

    Worf wants bipartisanship. -makes partisan attacks on republicans...


    See?

    Anyone who dares call out republican lies and Tea Party bullshit, is instantly labeled by you "partisan".

    Even though I clearly am independent, and take republican sides on everything from low taxes to strong defense to Dick Cheney's opening of the mortgage markets.

    Even though I voted for George H. W Bush, and even though I've repeatedly pointed out I did NOT vote for Obama, and would not be likely voting for him this time around.

    Even though I pointed out that had the GOP selected Jon Huntsman, .....I'd be voting republican this year.


    And even though I pointed out that IF Romney were to stand up to your beloved Tea Party and select Huntsman (or someone like him) as his running mate, ....that I might even vote for him.


    Nope.


    None of that matters to Voltron.


    Because as soon as ANYONE dares stand up to the Tea Party lies, ....they're suddenly labeled a "partisan liberal".


    Proving for like the millionth time now that Voltron has nothing but lies to support his Tea Party bullshit.

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  145. WORFWILLKICKURASSEUS8:09 PM

    And as far as the "man to idiot" debate....fine....but first show me the man.

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  146. Climate Depot; according to their own website,

    A project of CFACT

    CFACT who has recieved $582,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

    And, CFACT received $710, 000 between 1991 and 2002 from Richard Mellon Scaife controlled foundations, the Carthage Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. You know Scaife, the clown who funded the baseless attacks on Clinton LONG before Monicagate ever happened.

    David Rothbard and Craig Rucker "are two of the primary voices seeking to provide a positive alternative to major environmental groups like Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, and Friends of the Earth." according to the CFACT website.

    So your first link is to a right wing funded fake science website volty.

    strike one.

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  147. Interesting you would put up a link to an Exxon Mobile funded astroturf front to deny global warming volty.

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  148. One site has a supposed scientist who claims this;

    Piers Corbyn, astrophysicist, is the originator of the revolutionary and highly successful* Solar Weather Technique (SWT) of long range forecasting and founder of Weather Action Long Range forecasters. He totally rejects the CO2 based theory of Global Warming and Climate Change and has shown that existing published scientific researches demonstrate there is no evidence for the CO2 based theory –only evidence against.

    Not really science if you want to deny the basic physics of CO2 being a greenhouse gas volty.

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  149. But your insipid drive to link to right wing funded denier sites has never been about science but your extreme far right political agenda.

    You know the one where you want 1.4 billion people killed if they won't change their beliefs to agree with your twisted extreme views.

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  150. WORFA VICTOR8:25 PM

    CFACT who has recieved $582,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998.

    And, CFACT received $710, 000 between 1991 and 2002 from Richard Mellon Scaife controlled foundations, the Carthage Foundation and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. You know Scaife, the clown who funded the baseless attacks on Clinton LONG before Monicagate ever happened.



    See Volt.

    This is why I don't even respond anymore to your pathetic attempts to "debate" global warming.


    Or to your "links".


    First of all, NASA's website is the only link any intelligent or balanced layperson needs.

    When you call NASA a "massive liberal conspiracy", then you cross into the realm of the Tin Foil Hat wearing looney bin category, and any "debate" with you is impossible at that point.

    Because you can't debate a Tin Foil Hat wearing loon.

    Which is what you are.


    Additionally, there is no debate.

    The science has been around since before you were born, and before Exxon mobile funded the Tea Party leaders who's boots you lick.

    So while Clif can easily dismantle your Tea Party nonsense, I won't even try anymore.

    Because we've had these "debates" for years and years and years.

    And it doesn't matter if I post "links" from the NOAA, every scientific journal or research body out there or NASA itself.

    WHATEVER scientific group that agrees with the basic science of Global Warming that I post a link to, you simply dismiss it and call it part of a "liberal conspiracy".


    So while you might comfort yourself by declaring me the "deluded partisan idiot", ....the truth is you need to look in the mirror to find that character.

    Because while everyone else can see him.......the only way you'll ever see him, ....is by looking in the mirror.

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  151. Surface stations is the lies and distortion of Anthony Watts a died in the wool denier if there veer was one.

    His distortions and lies have been debunked time and again but he keeps on pushing the crap

    like who funds him;

    During 2011 and 2012, the Heartland Institute helped Watts raise two donations of $44,000

    The Heartland foundation another far right fringe group.

    Strike three volty. (two was the guy denying CO2 is a greenhouse gas)

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  152. WORFEUS ENUFFEUS8:34 PM

    During 2011 and 2012, the Heartland Institute helped Watts raise two donations of $44,000

    The Heartland foundation another far right fringe group.


    See Volty?

    So much for your sincere intelligent discussion.

    Like I said, if you ever really want to "talk", you let me know.

    But this anti science Tea Party right wing BULLSHIT you spew in here?

    Sell it to someone dumb enough to believe it.

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  153. WORFEUS AND HIS TIN FOIL HABERDASHERY8:36 PM

    I'd start with the crowd that believes Neil Armstrong didn't actually walk on the moon.


    : |


    I think they wear the same brand of Tin Foil on their noggins as you.

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  154. Next volty and the anti science kooks will want to blame global warming on this;

    Particle Accelerator Sets Record For Hottest Man-Made Temperature: 7.2 Trillion Degrees

    Too bad for the anti science crowd they used science and LOTS of it to produce temps 250,000 times hotter than the center of the Sun.

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  155. Its not up for debate.
    Its not a debate.
    Its not a political opinion.
    Its fact.


    Yes volty, CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

    Releasing large amounts of it based on carbon that has been sequestered for tens if not hundreds of millions of years does heat up the entire climate, which BTW includes the oceans.

    Doing so the way the human race has done the last two and a half centuries is going to have a profound effect on the planet, the only one we currently know how to survive on.

    BTW read Six Degrees by Mark Lynas if you want a scientifically based idea of how bad this can become.

    PS; many scientists not currently receiving their funding from Exxon Mobile or the Koch brothers think we may not be able to stop the planet from achieving a full six degrees of warming over the next century.

    But that isn't the ideological driven message you want to spread is it volty??

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  156. WORFBOGGLE8:57 PM

    Yes volty, CO2 is a greenhouse gas.

    Releasing large amounts of it based on carbon that has been sequestered for tens if not hundreds of millions of years does heat up the entire climate, which BTW includes the oceans.



    Its mind boggling.

    Just the basic, simple and easily understandable (and demonstrable) science known as the "Blanket Effect" is lost on him (and the rest of the Tea Party Tin Foil Hat Loons).

    The Blanket Effect isn't a theory.

    Its a proven and easily demonstrable fact.

    You can demonstrate it yourself in your own home with a makeshift Terrarium (dump your goldfish into a bowl for an hour or two) some source of smoke, a heat lamp and a thermometer.

    Its NOT HARD!

    Its not elusive.

    Its not an "opinion".

    And it certainly is not a partisan ploy of some sort.

    Its an easily provable fact that we've known about long before the Tea Party was anything more than an even that occurred in the Boston Harbor a few hundred years ago.


    But Voltron runs from it, and instead posts these "links" from what Clif's shown to be nothing more than more right wing tea party big oil funded bullshit.

    It really boggles the mind.

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  157. PUBLIUS WORFEUS9:03 PM

    The truth is, it doesn't matter who you are, what your ideologies or beliefs are, etc.

    If you dare to accept basic science from.....you know.....scientists....then Voltron will label you a partisan hack.

    Because its crucial to his argument that the science of global warming is seen as a "republican\democrat" issue.

    Because if its seen as a republican\everyone-else issue, which is what it is....then they know they haven't got a prayer.

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  158. NUTCRACKER WORF9:10 PM

    Tin Foiltron said...

    "There is also the issue of the Tea Party. EVERY group has it's nuts,"


    No Volt.....the Tea Party IS nuts.

    Its a group of nuts.

    Assorted nuts perhaps.....but all nuts. Each and every one of them.

    And you're their king.

    Mister "Peenut".

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  159. OK,what can we, the little people, do to help reduce global warming?

    I mean lets face it,man made emissions are only a tiny fraction of the problem.

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  160. GLOBAL WORFING7:15 AM

    Well first, we can stop lying about it, saying stupid things like man made emissions are only a "tiny fraction" of the problem.

    Power generation from coal and other fossil fuels produces more than a third of U.S. global warming emissions, contributes significantly to air pollution, and has costly and adverse effects on public health. -

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_101/

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  161. GLOBAL WORFING7:17 AM

    Not working against science, policy changes and efforts to clean up the environment by spreading nonsense, our "opinions" and outright right wing lies is going to be the most significant thing that "we the little people" can do to combat global warming.

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  162. GLOBAL WORFING7:38 AM

    Until we as a people stop the bullshit and go back to accepting science and not listing to liars like voltron (and apparently you) and instead let science dictate the direction our technology advances in instead of Big Oil funded republican stooges, ....then nothings going to change. And as Clif said, ...it may even be too late now.

    But IF we stop letting a political party of half baked nutcases who think the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a "librul conspiracy" direct our technological advances and instead let scientists direct science, then public policy will change, technology will advance and we'll stop burning fossil fuels and find cleaner more efficient ways to power our homes, offices and automobiles.

    Then we might make a dent.

    And not only would that make a dent on global warming, but it would definitely clean up our breathing air.

    You know, the stuff that we need to survive?

    And it would also remove our dependency on the middle eastern countries, removing our need to fight wars over there.

    Or we could let lying rubes like Voltron and the Tea Party Nujubs he supports direct us, in which case we get;

    1. Dirty, filthy air to breath into our lungs causing disease, misery and early death.

    2. Wars to slaughter our young men and women in foreign countries so we can keep sucking off the oil teat, ....until it runs out.

    3. Global Warming, raising seas flooding our cities, melting the icecaps and causing mass extinctions of various forms of life, and ultimately our own.


    And of course remember, the oils a limited quantity, and its rapidly running out.

    So has anyone ever stopped and asked what we're going to do then?

    When its gone?

    Suddenly the need for new energy sources will be upon us, ...so it might behoove the intelligent humans to move past it now, so we don't wake up one day and figure out we have no way to run our cars, heat our homes and offices or make the trains go.

    The only thing stopping us from combating global warming, are the lying, ignorant political hacks like Voltron, and the party of anti science rubes he supports.

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  163. WORFEUS CLEARIUS7:41 AM

    Clear it up any?

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  164. GLOBAL WORFING7:56 AM

    Renewable energy technologies generate electricity with almost no pollution or carbon emissions and have the potential to significantly reduce our reliance on coal and other fossil fuels.

    By expanding renewable energy, we can improve air quality, reduce global warming emissions, create new industries and jobs, and move America toward a cleaner, safer, and affordable energy future.


    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_101/

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  165. WORFEUS BRAINIUS8:04 AM

    See? Its a "No Brainer".

    Problem is, the people fighting and working against global warming, ....have no brains.

    Or at least refuse to use them.

    So again, just to pound it into your apparently dense skull, ......"some people" going out and buying a Nissan "Leaf" to drive around town isn't going to do it.

    People like me who switch to solar energy, or wind for their homes isn't going to do it.

    The ONLY thing that's going to do it, is to stop listening to the anti-science liars and ignorant rubes motivated by political ideologies that are funded by Big Oil, and let science dictate our technology on a national scale and not these partisan hacks.

    Until that happens, nothings going to improve.

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  166. GLOBAL WORFING9:08 AM

    The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is very likely human-induced and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented in the past 1,300 years.

    Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale.

    Studying these climate data collected over many years reveal the signals of a changing climate.

    Certain facts about Earth's climate are not in dispute:

    The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.

    Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many JPL-designed instruments, such as AIRS.

    Increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.



    http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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  167. GLOBAL WORFING9:15 AM

    But when you're dealing with far right wing fanatical loons and outright liars like Voltron, who think "NASA" is a "librul conspiracy", then there is nothing left to say.

    Its pointless to talk with a tin foil hat wearing loon who thinks NASA is a part of a liberal conspiracy.

    It's like talking to nuts who think Neil Armstrong didn't walk on the moon.

    They're all cut from the same cloth.

    These are your wingnuts.

    Tin Foil Hat wearing loons who belong in a mental institution, and not out changing policy that the rest of us have to suffer under.

    Global Warming's real. Its not a "belief" and its not a matter for knuckleheads like me or you to "debate".

    The science has been done and demonstrated long before you were born.

    The only thing now standing in its way, are the Tin Foil hat wearing kooks like Voltron and the Tea Party Oil stooges he shills for.

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  168. ASK WORFEUS9:28 AM

    Any other "questions" Johnny?

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  169. "Any other "questions" Johnny?"

    Yes!

    I have moldy spaghetti sauce deep in the back of my fridge.........its on the bottom shelf!

    What should I do with it?


    And.........

    ......if the Coyote is wealthy and intelligent enough to pilot a helicopter why doesn't he fly the bloody thing to the nearest city and buy himself a Roadrunner dinner?

    It doesn't make sense to chase one????

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  170. I see Mook Mook is still trying incompetently to derail the discussion from republican anti-science stance when it is pointed out.

    Could this be because mook mook doesn't want the true anti democratic right wing agenda top be exposed for what it is,

    An attempt by a few very rich and powerful people to grasp control of the levers of power in the USA for their exclusive benefit?

    Why would a mook mook continuously do this?

    Back stop the anti science bloggers who want to deny the truth of global warming, and what the results for future generations are going to be.

    Doesn't he have a daughter who is going to suffer along with the rest of the under 30 crowd when the effects start to really show themselves after 2040-50?

    Or doesn't he care?

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  171. WORFEUS ENCYCLOPEDIUS5:12 PM

    I have moldy spaghetti sauce deep in the back of my fridge.........its on the bottom shelf!

    What should I do with it?


    Remove all food products from the area and store in an igloo cooler with ice, then unplug the refrigerator from the electrical outlet.

    Remove all removable shelves and sit them aside.

    Then, mix a solution consisting of small amount of chlorine bleach in warm water and thoroughly soak the contaminated area. Once dry, using a scouring pad (or steel wool) scrub the affected area, rinsing often with warm water. Repeat if necessary.

    Then wash the shelves with a similar solution of chlorine bleach and warm water. Allow to thoroughly dry and return them into their original slots.

    Then making sure the fridge is thoroughly dry (use a hand held hair dryer if necessary) replace the power cord and allow the temperature to return to the desired setting.

    Then, replace all food and enjoy.


    .if the Coyote is wealthy and intelligent enough to pilot a helicopter why doesn't he fly the bloody thing to the nearest city and buy himself a Roadrunner dinner?

    Judging by the abundant sandstone rock formations and cacti visible in most of the early Road Runner episodes the landscape appears to place the Coyote somewhere in the New Mexico region.

    There are two main species of Road Runners. The Lesser Roadrunner, known as Geococcyx velox which inhabits Mexico and Central America which is not likely the genus in question.

    The Greater Roadrunner or Geococcyx californianus is found mostly in New Mexico and the southwestern United States and is therefore most likely the species portrayed in the Warner Bros "Looney Tunes" and "Merry Melodies" cartoons.

    Since the landscape appears to originate in New Mexico and given the Geococcyx californianus is the New Mexico state bird, it is unlikely therefore that it would be offered as any sort of dinner selection at local eating establishments.

    Thus the Coyote would be relegated to alternative means of locating one for the purpose of consumption, although roadkill might provide a more viable and easily obtainable solution.

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  172. WORF RUNNER5:16 PM

    Now that I've answered your two questions, might I impose two questions on you?


    1. Why would you state that "man made emissions are only a tiny fraction" of the global warming problem, when in fact they account for over 1 THIRD of global warming in the United States?


    2. If your answer is you consider 1/3rd to be a "tiny fraction".....might I impose on you to henceforth provide me with a "tiny fraction" (one third)of your annual income on an ongoing basis?

    Surely you wouldn't deny your old pal Worfeus a "tiny fraction" of your income, ....would you?

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  173. WORFEUS PERPLEXIUS6:30 PM

    Funny.

    He doesn't seem to want to answer my questions.

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  174. PEEPSTONE WORF8:49 PM

    Ok, well while you're carefully "formulating" your answer to those 2 simple straight forward questions Johnny, I'll pose a third for you to work on.

    Which do you think speaks louder about your character, and intent here in this blog.?

    What you say?

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  175. WORFEUS8:50 PM

    Or what you don't say?

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  176. Sorry Worf,something came up last night. Excellent answers to my questions btw......thanx!


    Anyways,1/3rd sure is a convenient number......where did you get it? Its hogwash and I don't believe it for one second.

    And,why do you focus on this smaller fraction when there is a much larger even more problematic one?

    Methane is far more destructive than Co2 yet you still bark about fossil fuels and its impact on global warming??? What about deforestation,volcanoes,livestock,solar flares and, nitrous oxide which has 300 times more capacity of trapping heat than carbon dioxide.

    But, I do agree that it is time to find alternatives to oil.

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  177. Anonymous5:58 AM

    Johnnymoomoo said...

    Anyways,1/3rd sure is a convenient number......where did you get it? Its hogwash and I don't believe it for one second.



    You know Johnny, your getting to be as tired, and lame, as Voltron.

    And this is getting old.

    What do you mean "where did I get it"?

    From the same link you saw when you read it.


    THATS where I got it.


    Do me a favor, ok junior?

    If you want play the fool, and act like you see the figure but not the accompanying quote, then at least admit you're just a right wing troll here to play off the hardliners.

    Because having to repeat things again and again and again while you pretend to not see them, is just getting old.

    Got it chief?

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  178. SICK OF THE BULLSHIT6:01 AM

    Here stupid.


    Since you want to play the stupid "convenient" game of being magically able to see the statistic, but not the accompanying link.....a game you play ENDLESSLY and INANELY, .....I'll repost both comments that you selectively edit in your responses.



    YOU SAID.


    Johnnymoomoo said...
    OK,what can we, the little people, do to help reduce global warming?

    I mean lets face it,man made emissions are only a tiny fraction of the problem.

    3:50 AM

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  179. SICK OF THE BULLSHIT6:01 AM

    Then I REPLIED


    GLOBAL WORFING said...
    Well first, we can stop lying about it, saying stupid things like man made emissions are only a "tiny fraction" of the problem.

    Power generation from coal and other fossil fuels produces more than a third of U.S. global warming emissions, contributes significantly to air pollution, and has costly and adverse effects on public health. -

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_101/

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  180. SEES RIGHT THRU U6:02 AM

    Now, do you still want to act like we're so stupid, that we don't see you exactly for the lying sack of shit you are?

    Or do you want to keep playing the cutesy game some more?

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  181. SICK OF JOHNNY'S BULLSHIT6:08 AM

    And as for my answers to your misleading and outright dishonest "question" you asked the other day, thanks again for pretending to not see any of my responses, and instead try to play your stupid, inane and tired game of running off at the mouth endlessly about which areas of global warming need to be combated, as if you or I are someone that can do anything about it.

    So again, HERE are the answers I provided to your stupid, loaded question that you used to falsely load the statistic that man made carbon emissions only make up a "tiny fraction" of the problem.

    GLOBAL WORFING said...
    Well first, we can stop lying about it, saying stupid things like man made emissions are only a "tiny fraction" of the problem.

    Power generation from coal and other fossil fuels produces more than a third of U.S. global warming emissions, contributes significantly to air pollution, and has costly and adverse effects on public health. -

    http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/clean_energy_101/

    7:15 AM
    GLOBAL WORFING said...
    Not working against science, policy changes and efforts to clean up the environment by spreading nonsense, our "opinions" and outright right wing lies is going to be the most significant thing that "we the little people" can do to combat global warming.

    7:17 AM
    GLOBAL WORFING said...
    Until we as a people stop the bullshit and go back to accepting science and not listing to liars like voltron (and apparently you) and instead let science dictate the direction our technology advances in instead of Big Oil funded republican stooges, ....then nothings going to change. And as Clif said, ...it may even be too late now.

    But IF we stop letting a political party of half baked nutcases who think the world is 6000 years old and evolution is a "librul conspiracy" direct our technological advances and instead let scientists direct science, then public policy will change, technology will advance and we'll stop burning fossil fuels and find cleaner more efficient ways to power our homes, offices and automobiles.

    Then we might make a dent.

    And not only would that make a dent on global warming, but it would definitely clean up our breathing air.

    You know, the stuff that we need to survive?

    And it would also remove our dependency on the middle eastern countries, removing our need to fight wars over there.

    Or we could let lying rubes like Voltron and the Tea Party Nujubs he supports direct us, in which case we get;

    1. Dirty, filthy air to breath into our lungs causing disease, misery and early death.

    2. Wars to slaughter our young men and women in foreign countries so we can keep sucking off the oil teat, ....until it runs out.

    3. Global Warming, raising seas flooding our cities, melting the icecaps and causing mass extinctions of various forms of life, and ultimately our own.


    And of course remember, the oils a limited quantity, and its rapidly running out.

    So has anyone ever stopped and asked what we're going to do then?

    When its gone?

    Suddenly the need for new energy sources will be upon us, ...so it might behoove the intelligent humans to move past it now, so we don't wake up one day and figure out we have no way to run our cars, heat our homes and offices or make the trains go.

    The only thing stopping us from combating global warming, are the lying, ignorant political hacks like Voltron, and the party of anti science rubes he supports.

    7:38 AM
    WORFEUS CLEARIUS said...
    Clear it up any?

    7:41 AM

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  182. WORFUES TRUTHEUS6:11 AM

    Like I said junior, in answer to your question about what WE THE LITTLE PEOPLE can do, is stop LYING THROUGH and stand up to the right wing bullshit that you and your pals in here are selling.

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  183. And one more thing stupid, and this will be it for now since "someone" is selectively deleting and editing my comments again. (go figger)


    In answer to your stupid, inane and misleading question about "why would I focus on man made emissions"?

    Well gee stupid....lets see.


    Maybe because THATS THE ONE WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT!


    Any more dumb questions?

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  184. WORFEUS2:50 PM

    Now, if moo moo is done trolling for dollars for big oil, time to turn to the health care ruling, which is a sad day in America if you ask me.

    I have no problem with expanding medicare to cover whoever needs it.

    That makes sense and would bring the US on par with every other industrialized country out there.

    But "forcing" people to buy health insurance? Especially with the price of health insurance slated to RISE because of this bill?

    Outrageous.

    Unconstitutional.

    And the ONLY reason John Roberts sided with it, is because he knows it will make people mad at Obama for it and thus they'll vote against him over it.

    He sure lost my vote over this.

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  185. Nobody's "forcing" you to buy health insurance Worfy. You just have to pay a penalty tax if you don't...

    And once again you only see whats floating on the surface. Roberts is a smarter man than that. He's not anti Obummer, he's PRO government.

    We now have set a new precedent, It used to be government only taxed us based on actions we took. NOW they can tax us for what we DON'T do...

    And we know how hard it is to overturn precedents.

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  186. Can anyone say "Goodbye Liberty" and "Hello Social Engineering"....?

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  187. This is what conservatives mean by activist judges.

    The argument for the mandate was based on it being a penalty. Roberts basically REWROTE their arguments to make it a taxed.

    It was obviously unconstitutional under the interstate commerce clause, so Roberts REWROTE it to be under congressional ability to levy taxes. That wasn't even the argument the government made.

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  188. WORFEUS YOMOMAMAUS4:23 PM

    Friends of Voltron said...


    This is what conservatives mean by activist judges.


    I don't need you to tell me what "conservatives mean" about anything.

    I grew up one and in a family of conservatives.

    And Roberts is a conservative, ...so.....

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  189. WORFEUS PUBLIUS5:00 PM

    And if you want to talk about "activist judges", you might take a look at the conservative side of the SCOTUS, which ruled to allow CORPORATIONS, including FOREIGN corporations donate to US Presidential elections.

    Which completely and effectively removed the people from the role of electing our own President and forever ended our democracy as we know it.

    It was CONSERVATIVE, not liberal judges that destroyed our Constitutional right to choose our leaders with this one, wicked, corrupt and unconstitutional swipe of their pen.

    So when you're spewing anti liberal hate speech and your other Tea Party nonsense, might want to take a moment of silence there over the death of our right to vote, thanks to your conservative panel of partisan "ACTIVIST" judges.

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  190. WORFEUS GOTURNUMBEROUS5:25 PM

    Go ahead and defend that one slick, ...then tell me how you and your beloved Tea Party are "for the people".

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  191. WORFEUS PEEPSTONEIUS8:40 PM

    ..yea, I thought so.

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  192. you and your beloved Tea Party are "for the people".

    They are for the people who fund them and their astroturf front groups. You know groups which spin the lies, deception and right wing propaganda exactly like the kind voltron spews here.

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  193. GLOBAL WORFING5:56 AM

    Exxon's CEO: Climate, energy fears overblown

    Exxon CEO: Fossil fuels will warm planet, but humans can adapt; drilling risks are overstated


    By Jonathan Fahey, AP Energy Writer | Associated Press – Wed, Jun 27, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

    NEW YORK (AP) -- ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson says fears about climate change, drilling, and energy dependence are overblown.
    In a speech Wednesday, Tillerson acknowledged that burning of fossil fuels is warming the planet, but said society will be able to adapt.



    Gee, who'dve thunk it?

    So now even Exxon admits that burning fossil fuels is heating the planet.

    So even though Johnny and Voltron want to keep selling the old denial statements, looks like Exxon is progressing to the next natural evolution of their 3 stages of denial.

    1. Deny it outright.

    2. Admit its happening but still not going to be a problem.

    3. Exit stage left.

    Those are the three stages.

    Voltron and Johnny are still at stage 1.

    Exxon's now progressed to stage 2.

    Hopefully, before they have to realize they've burned up the planet their own children and grandchildren are going to have to inhabit, they'll reach stage 3.

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  194. GLOBAL WORFING5:58 AM

    This is sort of like the Cigarette companies if they'd progressed to admitting that smoking cigarettes causes cancer, ...but then trying to sell people on the notion that "cancers not all that bad".

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  195. WORFEUS SHUTUPIUS1:57 PM

    That one sure shut up the trolls.

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  196. WORFEUS DISASTEROUS2:33 PM

    Of course, we just went through another example of "extreme weather events" last night. It was one of the worst storms I've ever seen, covering FIVE east coast states.

    Yesterday again heat records were broken across the tri state area, and from MD to Virginia we saw record breaking temperatures. The records broken of course were from LAST YEAR, (meaning it is getting warmer as we've been saying) and then last night I witnessed first hand one of the most MASSIVE storms I've ever seen.

    120 mph winds ripped through the canyons, wreaking damage and havoc everywhere.

    Powers out across FIVE states, and states of emergencies have been declared in from West Virginia to Ohio. 911 call centers are down.

    THIRTEEN PEOPLE DIED last night in the storms.

    It may be WEEKS before powers restored.

    And the governor of Virginia, Bob McDonnell declared it was the WORST power outage in Virginia's history that wasn't caused by a Hurricane.

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  197. STORMCHASER WORFEUS2:36 PM

    Of course, fortunately we have Voltron and Johnny, and other global warming deniers here to tell us how "none of this is actually happening". ....or its ...not really that bad.........or .......its just "normal".....weather patterns.


    whew!


    Otherwise I'd be starting to worry.

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  198. STORMCHASER WORFEUS2:36 PM

    Of course, fortunately we have Voltron and Johnny, and other global warming deniers here to tell us how "none of this is actually happening". ....or its ...not really that bad.........or .......its just "normal".....weather patterns.


    whew!


    Otherwise I'd be starting to worry.

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