Monday, August 11, 2008

McCain's Flip-Flops and Extramarital Affairs


McCain has admitted to having extramarital affairs. "Sound marriages can be hard to recover after great time and distance have separated a husband and wife. We are different people when we reunite," McCain wrote. "But my marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine."

Carol, who remains on good terms with her former husband, generally has avoided reporters interested in hearing her side of the story.

She did briefly address her divorce to Timberg: "The breakup of our marriage was not caused by my accident or Vietnam or any of those things. I don't know that it might not have happened if John had never been gone. I attribute it more to John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again than I do to anything else." From "Arizona, the early years by Dan Nowicki, Bill Muller The Arizona Republic


JOHN McCAIN'S MASTER FLIP-FLOP LIST from The Carpetbagger Report

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but later decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain even hired Falwell’s debate coach. Falwell has since died.)

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.

* McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.

* McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.

It’s not exactly a newsflash that McCain is veering ridiculously to the right in a rather shameless attempt to reinvent himself, but Dems should take advantage of the situation and help establish the narrative now. Despite his rather embarrassing record of late, we still have major media figures telling the public that “no one would accuse McCain of equivocating on anything.”

Now is the time to begin characterizing McCain — accurately — as a man with no principle beliefs. Dems should not only criticize McCain’s constantly evolving opinions on nearly everything, they should openly mock him for it now, so that the storyline becomes second nature (like the GOP did with “serial exaggerator” Al Gore).

The nation is seeing McCain 2.0, and we like the old one better.

For a much more detailed updated list go to: http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops

216 comments:

  1. Honestly I could care less about McCain's sex life. (surprised he even has one). I'm sure its important to someone but right now we are looking at what could EASILY and QUICKLY turn into World War III.

    Georgia is our ally. They had more troops on the ground with us in Iraq than any country save England. And Russia is now invading that soveriegn democratic government (corrupt or not) and slaughtering its people.

    We are sworn to protect our allies, yet protecting them could easily trigger a World War.

    I'm not trying to be mean here or anything, but I honestly could give a rats ass about what John McCain is doing with his genitalia.

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  2. The "don't worry, everything will be fine" stuff is good for sales meetings and tupperware parties, but right now thousands of citizens, our allies, are dying in Georgia.

    Do we help them?

    Do we try and stop Russia?

    If so how do we lecture Russia on not forcing "regime change" when we ourselves are doing the same thing in Iraq?

    These are serious questions that deserve serious attention, because the events are occuring as we speak.

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  3. Russian military pushes into Georgia



    TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) --

    The Russian military advanced into Georgia on two fronts Monday, heading cities outside the breakaway provinces that have been the centers of fighting.

    A CNN crew in Gori saw Georgian forces piling into trucks and leaving the city at high speed.

    CNN saw thousands of troops driving out of the city, as well as thousands of civilians traveling by convoy from Gori toward Tbilisi.

    Gori lies along Georgia's main east-west highway, and is an important site for Georgia's communication systems.

    Russian troops were also in Senaki, in western Georgia, having advanced from Abkhazia, Russian and Georgian officials said.

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  4. From the New York Daily News;

    Nearly 700,000 Russian troops pounded about 20,000 Georgian troops - including 2,000 pulled from fighting alongside U.S. soldiers in Iraq - as the war, begun over the disputed territory of South Ossetia, spilled over into Georgia itself.

    Hundreds of civilians were killed and thousands more fled their homes Sunday



    700 THOUSAND? I didn't even know they had that many ready to go.

    If that number is correct (I'd like to see that confirmed), then just how exactly are we going to fight that many troops?

    700,000!

    I knew they had a quarter of a million ready to go, but 700,000 ?

    I'm hoping thats a typo, and the real number is 70,000.

    700,000 well armed well supported troops, is more than the US could even THINK about confronting right now.

    We have all we can do to keep 150,000 in Iraq right now.

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  5. NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer accused Russia of a "disproportionate use of force."

    Russian planes bombed the airport in Tbilisi, Georgia's capital, and navy boats clashed in the Black Sea. Russian forces took control of Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia.

    "Yes, Russians control Tskhinvali," said Georgian spokesman Shota Utiashvili, who accused the Russians of "trying to cut the country in half."

    President Bush, speaking from the Olympics in Beijing, warned that Russia's relations with the U.S. would be threatened if troops don't withdraw from the U.S.-backed nation of about 4.4 million

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  6. I wish this had happened 6 months from now, when cooler heads were in the White House.

    Dick Cheney is talking retailiation and war.

    Bush and Cheney are the LAST two men on the planet, we want dealing with this problem.

    The LAST.

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  7. Vice President Cheney bluntly warned Russia Sunday night to halt its deadly offensive against Georgia, even as the conflict escalated with new attacks on airports and civilians.

    Russia's invasion "must not go unanswered," Cheney said through a spokeswoman

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  8. US evacuates more than 170 Americans from Georgia

    Associated Press 2 hours, 47 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON -

    The State Department says it has evacuated more than 170 U.S. citizens from Georgia as the conflict over separatist areas there intensifies between Georgia and Russia.

    A spokesman said Monday that two convoys carrying about 170 private U.S. citizens along with an undetermined number of family members of American diplomats based in Georgia have left Tbilisi on their way by road to neighboring Armenia.

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  9. Russia moves into Georgian territory as conflict worsens

    by Adam Plowright
    13 minutes ago

    TBILISI (AFP) -

    Russian troops launched attacks further into Georgian territory on Monday and the Tbilisi government said its soldiers had been forced to retrench closer to the capital.

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  10. I honestly dont think Bush and Cheney are gonna do anything about this..........they are bunch of cowards who only like fights against MUCH weaker opponents they know they can win.

    I've said it here and i've said it at work and to friends and family a thousand times.......you gotta pick your battles and this is one battle that would be a colossal mistake to stick our nose in far bigger than Iraq.

    Putin is MUCH smarter than Bush and Cheney........Putin's trying to achieve the outcome he wants with not just overt aggression but i think cunning and strategy as well.

    Consider this Putin bombs Georgia to pile of rubble, destroys the infrastructure and destabilizes the country under the cloak of defending Russian citizens and Osettia........then acts like the good guy working with the UN and talking about peace all the wile destabilizing the Georgian gov so it it overthrown and then insuring a pro Russian gov takes hold.

    I dont think Putin is going to try to conquor and occupy Georgia like we did in Iraq........I think he's gonna do what we could have done in Iraq destabilizing the Government so its overthrown then installing a pro Russian leadership with out sufferning the tarnished world image, casualties and expenses of a prolonged occupation.

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  11. Bush is such an IMBECILE...........he just said there has been an act of agression to depose the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.


    Bush just said acts of aggression against sovreign nations are unacceptable and will NOT be tolerated in the 21 Century..............if only it were so Georgie Boy.......can you say Iraq??????

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  12. YIKES!! I see your point. McCain's sex life and flip flops aren't as important as what's going on in Georgia and Russia...

    But, the American people have never voted on the facts, nor do they care about anything (according to psychologists) except "the human element" and their personal like or dislike of a candidate.

    Can we afford to have McCain be president?

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  13. Well, I agree with you that Bush and Cheney only like fights they know they can win. Thats why we went into Iraq instead of Pakistan after 911.

    But what Putin's doing here I'm not so sure of. Will he stop short of occupying the capital? Not sure.

    He might. He might not.

    Either way he's already ON Georgian soil, and since Georgia is an ally of the US, who helped US fight in Iraq, then how exactly can we just "do nothing"?

    I disagree that we should stay "out of this one", or even that we can stay out of it.

    If we abandon our ally, after they fought with us side by side in Iraq, who's ever going to trust us again?

    Regardless of what we think of Iraq, regardless of what we think of Georgia and regardless of what we think of Bush and Cheney, one things for sure.

    When your friend has your back when you're in trouble, and then gets into trouble himself, you'd better have his back.

    Or no ones ever going to be your friend again.

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  14. Lydia Cornell said...

    YIKES!! I see your point. McCain's sex life and flip flops aren't as important as what's going on in Georgia and Russia...


    "YIKES"? lol

    You crack me up Lydia. Yea, I think with WWIII looming on the horizon we might want to focus on it a little more.

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  15. Lydia Cornell said...


    Can we afford to have McCain be president?


    Absolutely not.

    But at the same time we cannot afford to stoop to their levels, gossiping about sexual matters that have no place in politics.

    Picking on sexual matters is the republicans schtick. Its what they did to Bill Clinton because they couldn't get him on anything else.

    We can get McCain on pretty much everything coming out of his mouth.

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  16. Lydia Cornell said...
    YIKES!! I see your point. McCain's sex life and flip flops aren't as important as what's going on in Georgia and Russia...

    But, the American people have never voted on the facts, nor do they care about anything (according to psychologists) except "the human element" and their personal like or dislike of a candidate.

    Can we afford to have McCain be president?"

    NO we cant afford to have the trigger happy war mongering McSame as President............I agree that the MSM is giving this jerk a free pass.............My hope though is that Obama starts comparing himself to McSame on the issues after the Convention because McSame cant compete on the issues and looks like the joke he truly is when the focus comes to the issues.

    As for flip flops..........its amazing that McSame has gotten away with his flip flops........he's flip flopped on EVERY key issue and most of the minor issues and Kerry is the one who got tarred and feathered as a flip flopper.

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  17. Mike said...

    Bush just said acts of aggression against sovreign nations are unacceptable and will NOT be tolerated in the 21 Century..............if only it were so Georgie Boy.......can you say Iraq??????


    Thats our real problem. Condemning Russia for doing what we did in Iraq is hardly palatable, however what else can we do?

    If we "turn the other cheek", we'll be condoning it effectively, and we'll lose any mandate for criticizing Bush for his invasion of Iraq.

    Also, turning the other cheek here will put Russia in a omnious position over us. Suddenly the US will no longer be the big super power.

    And NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE will ever want to be our allie again. No one will trust us. No one will respect us. And THAT could lead to further confrontations down the road.

    This is a "damned if we do, damned if we don't" scenario that I predicted over 3 years ago that Russia would put us in.

    We can't do nothing, but what the hell can we do?

    :|

    Thank you Republicans.

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  18. Unless someone can show me a better idea, I'm not sure what else we can do other than offer some kind of military support to the people of Georgia.

    Perhaps Air Support. As clif so accurately pointed out last night our Air Force is superior to theirs. Perhaps a few dozen US fighter jets patrolling the skies over the Georgian capital might be enough to discourage Putin from pushing further. I don't think he's ready to fire on American forces at this time. He might be, and it would be a stand off to be sure, but I don't see what else we can do.

    I'd have the US planes go in under the NATO or UN umbrella, so it wasn't unilateral, and shore them up with planes from other UN nations. That would probably back Putin down.

    International pressure is fine, but since the war is happening now, and its not a "threat" of war but actual war, I don't see how we can do anything else.

    Regardless of what we think about our presence in Iraq the fact is Georgia had our backs. They went out on a limb, took international criticism and backed us up.

    Now, they're in trouble.

    If we walk away, who is ever going to trust us again?

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  19. I'm all for loyalty but i'm not willing to start WW3 over a little excessive force in Georgia lets see how this plays out.

    1) Georgia is not a member of NATO

    2) they havent stated they are a conquoring and occupying force things get a little heated when the bullets are flying........putin can still claim a few over aggressive general overstepped or they were just esponding to aggression from Georgia.

    You have to pick your battles and this is clearly a battle we dont want or need and likely cant win.

    BTW Who's going to ever trust us with Bush and Cheney in charge ANYWAY?????

    lets let cooler heads prevail and see how this shakes out.

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  20. There's nothing worse than turning your back on a friend in trouble, especially when they didn't turn their back on you.

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  21. Mike said...

    I'm all for loyalty but i'm not willing to start WW3 over a little excessive force in Georgia lets see how this plays out.


    Well, they're already under attack. Thats the problem. If it "plays out" anymore there won't be any Georgia. It will be too late.

    Russian forces are moving towards the capital as we speak.

    I don't see how we can just "sit by".

    I agree with you over the WWIII scenario. We don't want to start WWIII over this. But its not over this. Its Russia, calling us out to try and back us down because we went into Iraq.

    I predicted they'd do this, and if we show them we're afraid, its only a matter of time until they call us out again, somewhere else.

    And what happens if China moves into Tawian? They see us back down to Russia then whats to keep them from pushing us too? Or North Korea? They too will see our fear when it comes to a large power and may pick up on it.

    I don't think we can back down. I don't think we should antagonize them either. It's a tightrope, and we have to walk it.

    You might be right here though, and I'm not ruling that out. I honestly don't know what we should do, but I don't think backing down from them, and abandoning an allie, is the answer.

    And as for their not being a member of the NATO alliance, thats in the works as we speak.

    And they ARE a member of the United Nations. And a friend and allie to the United States.

    Turning our backs on them now I am afraid would have just as serious consequences as pushing Russia too hard. We have to find someway to make it work out. Now. Before the Georgian president is assasinated by Russian forces, and the capital falls.

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  22. Mike said...

    they havent stated they are a conquoring and occupying force

    Actually they have.

    The Russian Foreign Minister yesterday said that Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili "MUST GO".

    We didn't call ourselves a conquoring or occupying force in Iraq either. No nation uses those terms for themselves when conquering and occupying a soveriegn nation. They instead use terms like "regime change".

    Or "MUST GO".

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  23. Think about what YOU would do if you were Putin and you wanted to topple the Georgian government in the BEST possible way strategically for Russia.

    if I was Putin and that was my objective i'd roll in there and bomb all the infrastructure under the cover of defending Osettia and Russian citizens from Georgian aggression..........then after things settle down claim there was a little over reacxtion by both sides and cozy up to the UN and talk peace while destabilizing that country so that the government is overthrown just like America has done throughout the world for the last 50 years and STILL is doing in Iraq.

    Dont you see Russia can CLAIM THEY were the ones defending Osettia and Russian citizens and in the heat of battle both sides overstepped and acted to aggressively.........they can then work to support an overthrow of the Georgian Goverment from the shadows while pretending to be the good guy and not wasting ANY resources by getting bogged down in a war or occupation...........see i think THEY learned something from the war in Afghanistan that bankrupted them and we didnt.

    Why should they weaken their military, their economy and their world standing by going to war when they can achieve the same objectives in a much better way by using cunning aqnd subtlty...........something the Bush Administration isnt smart enough to consider.

    What i'm saying is just a theory of course we'll have to see how this plays out.............but my track record of being right has been pretty good.

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  24. Mike said...
    Think about what YOU would do if you were Putin and you wanted to topple the Georgian government in the BEST possible way strategically for Russia.


    Thats all well and good IF that was Putins goal.

    It's not.

    Putins goal is to back the US into a corner, and move Russia ahead on the world stage as a global superpower.

    This is about Vladimir Putin humiliating George W Bush.

    This is about Russia, showing the US that they too can assert their military might.

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  25. Like I said you have to pick your battles........sure Georgia is an ally of sorts.......but Russia was an ally of Iraq and we went in therev against the will of the world and Russia didnt feel the need to attack us and support Saddam.......sure Russia went to far but Georgia initiated this conflict so there are grey areas.

    Are you saying we should opull out of Iraq and Afghanistan and go to war with russia in Georgia.......because CLEARLY we cant fight 3 wars at the same time particularly when one is against a Superpower.

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  26. Bart said "This is about Vladimir Putin humiliating George W Bush.

    This is about Russia, showing the US that they too can assert their military might."

    well they would be doing that eith way this played out..........only the scenario I laid out they would be preserving more of that military and economic might to use at a later time rather than squandering it like we are doing.

    Russia has to love us getting bogged down in these unwinnable wars they can sit back and laugh while we destroy our military and economic might and they dont even have to fire a shot and can become the lone Superpower like we were.

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  27. Mike said...
    Like I said you have to pick your battles........sure Georgia is an ally of sorts.......but Russia was an ally of Iraq and we went in therev against the will of the world and Russia didnt feel the need to attack us and support Saddam.......


    Good point, but there were UN resolutions against Iraq that helped facilitate our invasion and curtail Russian involvement.

    But that is a good point. And I agree we have to pick our battles.

    But how is it going to look to the rest of the world, to see the US abandon a small allie under attack, after they've been fighting for years with us in Iraq?

    That will tell these countries in the future that helping the United States will buy them NOTHING, if they are ever in trouble.

    We've already lost our moral high ground when we invaded Iraq.

    But if we turn our backs on Georgia right now, we're going to lose more than that.

    No one will ever trust us again.

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  28. Mike said...

    sure Russia went to far but Georgia initiated this conflict so there are grey areas.

    Thats a another good point. And I am fine with us not going in to help them secure Ossetia.

    But at the same time I don't think we can let Tbilisi fall.

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  29. Mike.

    Take a look at these photos I just posted on my blog.

    The Cost of Non Interference

    Look at these photos taken today and yesterday, and then tell me we should just "keep out of it".

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  30. See the way I look at this it ISNT America's job to be the world's policeman or vigilante........."IF" Russia really is out to occupy Georgia then we need to get UN Security resolutions to isolate Russia then possibly go in as part of an international coalition.

    But we are allready fighting 2 wars compromising the war in Afghanistan and further weakening and overextending our military would compromise our national security and would be against our national interests.

    Its not nor should it EVER have been OUR job to be the worlds policeman............like I said loyalty means a lot to me and I dont like to leave an ally hanging..........but we need to put our country first and use war as a LAST resort and then ONLY as part of an international coalition..........like i told Volt we are borrowing money from China and Russia to fund our wars........do you HONESTLY think they are going to loan us money to fund a war against themselves...........China is their ally starting a war with Russia could bring china into this.

    Thats why its important to us the UN to isolate Russia and try to let diplomacy work........hopefully the Bush thugs will be gone soon and the world will be a safer place.

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  31. Bart said "But at the same time I don't think we can let Tbilisi fall."


    That would be a very bad sign if Tbilsi were to fall.

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  32. Whatever we do, we cannot do it unilaterally, thats for sure.

    It needs to be an international UN led effort. Thats' the only way to minimize the possibility of escalation.

    Russia is becoming a player on the international stage so they're not going to throw that away.

    IF we can get together an international coalition and leverage that, maybe we can do something.

    I'd start with international sanctions if it wasn't so far along already. Maybe if Russia holds back as you're suggesting Mike, and digs in near Ossetia, we could try international sanctions against Russia to try and convince them to back it down. That'd be good.

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  33. Mike said...

    See the way I look at this it ISNT America's job to be the world's policeman or vigilante........."IF" Russia really is out to occupy Georgia then we need to get UN Security resolutions to isolate Russia then possibly go in as part of an international coalition


    Oh I agree 100 percent. In fact, while you were writing this I was writing the same thing, lol.

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  34. Mike said...


    That would be a very bad sign if Tbilsi were to fall.


    Well Russia bombed the Tbilsi Airport this morning.

    Just two hours before Finnish and French peace envoy's were to land there.

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  35. BARTLEBEE said...
    Whatever we do, we cannot do it unilaterally, thats for sure.

    It needs to be an international UN led effort. Thats' the only way to minimize the possibility of escalation.

    Russia is becoming a player on the international stage so they're not going to throw that away.

    IF we can get together an international coalition and leverage that, maybe we can do something.

    I'd start with international sanctions if it wasn't so far along already. Maybe if Russia holds back as you're suggesting Mike, and digs in near Ossetia, we could try international sanctions against Russia to try and convince them to back it down. That'd be good."


    Thats EXACTLY how i see this playing out.........but i guess we'll have to wait and see.

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  36. I'm telling you this is happening "FAST".

    It's almost a "Blitzkreig".

    They're taking advantage of Bush being off clowning around at the Olympics, figuring by the time he gets back, they'll have secured Tbilsi and deposed the Georgian Presidents regime.

    Thats why Bush is so pathetic.

    ANY OTHER PRESIDENT would have RACED home to DC under similar circumstances.

    ANY OTHER PRESIDENT.

    But not Bush. Oh no.... couldn't interupt his vacation.

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  37. Bush: Russia's actions in Georgia 'unacceptable'

    WASHINGTON (CNN)
    Russia's "brutal escalation" of attacks against the former Soviet republic of Georgia has jeopardized Russia's relationship with the United States and European nations, President Bush told reporters Monday after returning from his trip to Asia.


    "Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century," he said.


    Ironic hearing him say that, huh?

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  38. What century were we in when we invaded Iraq again?

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  39. I'll be interested in what Keith Olberman has to say about it tonight.

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  40. I like what Obama said today, pointing out BOTH sides by referencing the Georgian oppression of Ossetia and international peacekeeping forces.

    I liked that a lot.

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  41. He pointed out the shared culpability here for Georgia, as you did Mike, and I think Clif did last night, and he also pointed out that we had to do "something", and called for international peacekeeping forces to halt the advance.

    THAT sounded pretty good to me.

    :D

    Especially since it's what I recommended too, lol.

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  42. I love Rachel Maddow. She is one of the smartest women in the field.

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  43. BARTLEBEE said...
    I love Rachel Maddow. She is one of the smartest women in the field."

    Agreed, Rachael Madow and Keith olberman are great..........I wish i actually got to watch them.

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  44. Why can't you watch them?

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  45. I was just saying that because I KNEW Rachel was going to spell it out in plain english, like she always does.

    She immediately tied Russia's incursion into Georgia to our incursion into Iraq and spelled it out that our Iraq presence makes it practically impossible to try and assume any moral high ground here, and that Russia is leveraging that against us.

    She's a smart lady.

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  46. US military surprised by speed, timing of Russia military action

    by Jim Mannion
    2 hours, 48 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON (AFP) -

    The US military was surprised by the timing and swiftness of the Russian military's move into South Ossetia and is still trying to sort out what happened, a US defense official said Monday.

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  47. I dont get MSNBC, the only time i get to watch it is when i'm on vacation.

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  48. I think you can watch it online, can't you?

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  49. This just in.

    Russia opens new front, drives deeper into Georgia

    By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and DAVID NOWAK, Associated Press Writers
    11 minutes ago
    ZUGDIDI, Georgia -

    Russian tanks roared deep into Georgia on Monday, launching a new western front in the conflict, and Russian planes staged air raids that sent people screaming and fleeing for cover in some towns.

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  50. Russian forces for the first time moved well outside the two restive, pro-Russian provinces claimed by Georgia that lie at the heart of the dispute.

    An Associated Press reporter saw Russian troops in control of government buildings in this town just miles from the frontier and Russian troops were reported in nearby Senaki.

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  51. I usually dont pay much attention to political blogs either left or right,but are you people saying this internal conflict in Georgia is the beginning of World War III ?

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  52. The Georgian president, Mikhail Saakashvili, told CNN late Monday that Russian forces were cleansing Abkhazia of ethnic Georgians.

    "I directly accuse Russia of ethnic cleansing," he said

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  53. One thing I did notice is Lou Dobbs had on several experts who echoed the same thing i said yesterday that Europe is totally dependent on Russia for natural gas and oil and that the Only pipeline to Europe other than through Russia or Iran is through Georgia..............kinda highlights the strategic importance of controlling Georgia and why Europe MIGHT be reluctant to side against Russia........they might be afraid to bite the hand that feeds them.

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  54. If you do strongly feel that is indeed a fact what would be your basis? Dont get me wrong I'm not at all in favor of military conflict where ever it may be but I think the current issues in Georgia dont warrent the concerns you show.

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  55. John Q Public said...

    I usually dont pay much attention to political blogs either left or right,but are you people saying this internal conflict in Georgia is the beginning of World War III ?


    First, it's not an "internal" conflict. In case you don't own an encyclopedia, (or know how to google) Georgia is an independent democratic republic. A "sovereign" nation, recognized by both international treaty and UN Charter. Russia, another independent republic, is attacking it.

    Second, we didn't say it "was" the start of WWIII slick, that's your strawman.

    We said it "could" be.

    And in case you were as ignorant of Russia as you are of Georgia, Russia has twice as many long range armed nuclear missles as the United States does, so yes, any confrontation between these two countries could easily trigger a world war.

    What are you in grade school?

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  56. Mike said...
    One thing I did notice is Lou Dobbs had on several experts who echoed the same thing i said yesterday that Europe is totally dependent on Russia for natural gas and oil and that the Only pipeline to Europe other than through Russia or Iran is through Georgia..............


    Yea Rachel Maddow touched on that, so did Chris Matthews. The fact is we're in hock to them too, we need the oil. Russia cuts off the pipeline and we're looking at 7 dollar a gallon gas or worse.

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  57. Consider that Russia and Iran control almost half of the worlds natural gas and you will understand the strategic reasons for Russia wanting to control Georgia........along with the Bush thugs putting missile defense systems near Russia..........like Clif said if Russia did that to us the Neo Cons would be howling at the moon.

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  58. Above all,remember Putin was and still is KGB,what you see isnt always what you will get.Believe me I know first hand.The problem in Georgia today is not the end all.More is to come.

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  59. Bart said "Yea Rachel Maddow touched on that, so did Chris Matthews. The fact is we're in hock to them too, we need the oil. Russia cuts off the pipeline and we're looking at 7 dollar a gallon gas or worse."

    Well I cant argue with that logic, because your right........the ONLY thing i would add is it would be MUCH worse for Europe because they GET most of their natural gas and a large amount of their oil from Russia if it were cut off they would be scrambling to get it from other sources on the world market that might not have it regardless of what they were willing to pay...........we get most of our oil from Canada, Mexico, the Saudi's Vennezula and I think Kuwait.

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  60. Hey Bart it looks like Will's in the house!

    Hi Billie!

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  61. Putin gives not one shit about Bush,Putin takes lessons from no one.This excersise in Georgia is about one thing and one thing only and that is power,complete power.Putin pulls the strings on this show and dont ever forget it.The next move will revail the true nature of Putins chess move.Believe me my friends I know of which I say.

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  62. Mike said...
    Consider that Russia and Iran control almost half of the worlds natural gas and you will understand the strategic reasons for Russia wanting to control Georgia


    Thats true Mike but don't need all that to understand that to understand Putins strategic reasons Mike.

    All I have to do is look at a globe and see the Caspian sea border just outside of Ossetia and the Georgian captial to see his advantage. Of course its more than that. Those are strategic reasons, but he has more than strategy here. He's calling Bush out.

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  63. I'd take his word for it me bucckos..........he seems to know what he's talking about..........LOL!!!!!

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  64. John Q Public said...

    Believe me my friends I know of which I say.


    I'm not even sure if you know of what you say.

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  65. Mike said...
    I'd take his word for it me bucckos..........he seems to know what he's talking about..........LOL!!!!!


    I'm guessing rusty.

    Should we start a pool?

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  66. He is calling Bush out.........but he's doing it in a cunning way.........he's basically saying he wins if the US does nothing and he wins if the US gets baited and overextended into another war it doesnt have ther resources to win.

    It kind of is a chess game and he's ahead several pieces and just sacked a piece to create a long term strategic advantage thats gonna bother the Neo Cons the rest of the game no matter WHAT they do,

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  67. No Bart.........this is Will Take No Prisoners Hart.............he's a Moo Moo like closet repug i've been crushiing on his own blog for the last 2 months.

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  68. ahhh..... guess I would've lost the pool, lol.

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  69. Mike said...
    He is calling Bush out.........but he's doing it in a cunning way.........he's basically saying he wins if the US does nothing and he wins if the US gets baited and overextended into another war it doesnt have ther resources to win.



    Yup. We're damned if we do. Damned if we don't.

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  70. Putin looks for an easy target,he can show the might of his military when not engaging in a real fight.The actual show is going on at this moment in Moscow,Putin can see himself reviewing the troops like Stalin.Its going to be 50 years ago in Russia if Putin has his way.Im telling you my friends these people dont give a shit,they just want an end to the present conditions in Russia.Right now in Moscow there is no middle class,if you have monies you are good,if not,forget it.Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world.How do you think that sits with the citizens.

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  71. John Q Public said...

    Putin looks for an easy target,he can show the might of his military when not engaging in a real fight.


    You mean like Bush did in Iraq?

    :|

    You mean like that?

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  72. John Q Public said...

    Im telling you my friends these people dont give a shit,they just want an end to the present conditions in Russia.Right now in Moscow there is no middle class,if you have monies you are good,if not,forget it.Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world.How do you think that sits with the citizens.


    Yea, you're really smart, huh?

    :|

    Say some more smart shit.

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  73. Will said "Its going to be 50 years ago in Russia if Putin has his way.Im telling you my friends these people dont give a shit,they just want an end to the present conditions in Russia."


    well considering how the Neo Cons are living 50 years in the past with a Cold War mentality as well...........i'd say its time for change here in America.......time to vote smart!

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  74. He THINKS he smart but he's one of the dunbest little pricks i know..........he makes Voltron look like a genius!

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  75. Well Mike, I think we have an answer to my question last night about which way the right wing is going on this.

    Here we see one of their trolls, sitting here trying to feed us 1960's era anti-soviet rhetoric designed to turn the population against the Russians in order to bolster support for war.

    I'm not sure where Bush is at, but based on Cheney's comments this morning, and the trolls pushing for Russian hatred, I'd say the neocons want to start war with Russia.

    The day Bush got elected, I was sitting on my living room floor, and I just blurted out "this man will start World War III".

    And I didn't even know anything about him back then. I just said it, why at the time, I don't know.

    Now I'm starting to worry that I was right.

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  76. Mike said...
    He THINKS he smart but he's one of the dunbest little pricks i know..........he makes Voltron look like a genius!



    Dude I was being sarcastic, lol.

    The rube didn't even understand Georgia and Russia were seperate coutries.

    He's a mental midget with the vocabulary of pre-teen.

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  77. picture Moo Moo when he first came into the blog and thats this guy........he pretends to be a non partisan moderate while under cutting everything he can and defending McSame whenever possible...............he denys and ignores facts while spewing unsubstantiated talking points and propaganda like he's some kind of Maverick out to save the world.........he's really a pathetic joke.

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  78. He's trying to translate what the McCain camp gives him on file cards into his own words, and he's making a fool of himself.

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  79. Obama said something last week that made so much sense. He said "its like they take pride in ignorance".

    That was so true. Obama was right.

    Republicans these days seem to almost CELEBRATE being ignorant.

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  80. Mike said...
    picture Moo Moo when he first came into the blog and thats this guy


    Well, I'd rather not picture him, lol, but I know what you mean.

    In fact, Moo Moo said the same thing when he first came in, remember?

    He said something about "I'm new to blogging and don't blog much", remember that? You were there I think.

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  81. Bart said "The day Bush got elected, I was sitting on my living room floor, and I just blurted out "this man will start World War III".


    I thought the same, in fact the first time I saw Busdh and Cheney i thought they reminded me of Nazi's and also envisioned them starting WW3..........and mind you to put things in perspecive i had NEVER said ANYONE looked like a nazi to that point in my entire life, I had no hatred of Bush or Cheney, in fact i considered voting for Bush just like I did for Gore........when it came down to it i voted for Nader in 2000 though.

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  82. You can talk all you want about pipelines,oil prices,Caspian Sea Europe,one think is you do not understand the Russian thought,it is power and control,nothing else.You try to read too much into the situation.Putin wants to be the next Stalin,he want complete power,that is the KGB way.Putin cares not one shit about George Bush.Bush will be gone soon.Putin is licking his lips thinking about Obama,he will eat this guy for lunch.

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  83. BARTLEBEE said...
    Obama said something last week that made so much sense. He said "its like they take pride in ignorance".

    That was so true. Obama was right.

    Republicans these days seem to almost CELEBRATE being ignorant."

    That WAS a phenomenal POINT he made........he NEEDS to get that message out DAILY........i imagine he will after the convention but i'm itching for it NOW........iObama Owns McSame on the real issues and i think he NEEDS to bludgeon him with the real issues instead of reacting to McSames BS smears and deflections...........when I fight or play chess i believe the BEST defense is a good offense and i think that should be Obama's plan for the next 2 1/2 months.

    he NEEDS to Pummel McSame with facts and REAL issues.

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  84. Obama's stand on the Georgian conflict shows he's got the level head for leadership of the country. He's showing me a calm, cool reasonable mind that will handle difficult situations.

    That's what I'm looking for most in a candidate. The HR 6034 stuff still is an issue but he's showing me a reasonable level head when it comes to most issues, and he's going to make a fine president.

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  85. You people have never lived under the boot,you may tink you have but in fact you never have felt the whip.
    Putin knows this Bush is going,he sees Bush watching the Olympics,you think for one minute Putin is scared of Obama.No way my friend.Putin fears no one.

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  86. Mike said...

    he NEEDS to Pummel McSame with facts and REAL issues.


    Agreed.

    In fact he ought to agree to those townhall's McCain wants. Look at McCain. He's "winding down". A term I use for old men when they're getting close to that "cut off" age, where their brains just sort of give up.

    He's CONFUSED all the time.

    He makes phone calls ALL DAY LONG ASKING PEOPLE WHAT POSITIONS TO TAKE ON THE ISSUES. (look for that story in the news later this week)

    He is CONFUSED. DiSORIENTED.

    He is sadly, approaching senility.

    The onset of Dementia is upon him, I've seen it many times. In my own family even.

    Age related Dementia, and then on to Alzheimers.

    He couldn't get through a day without someone helping him every step of the way.

    He's an old man. And he's entering senility.

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  87. Will said "y.Putin cares not one shit about George Bush.Bush will be gone soon.Putin is licking his lips thinking about Obama,he will eat this guy for lunch."

    Wrong as USUAL...........Obama is smart he beat Clinton and he will beat that guy that cant even get the names of countriees or borders right that have been in a region he CLAIMS to be an EXPERT on..........he was bottom of his class in school and the military lost 5 aircrafts crashing 3 and getting shot down once knows NOTHING of economics, winning wars or national security.........its like Obama said he acts like IGNORANCE is some kind of virtue JUST like GWB does.

    Its time for a SMART President not another warmongering dunce that hates freedom and loathes the US Constitution.

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  88. A person would have to be utterly braindead to consider voting for him.

    Angelina Jolie says she's still considering him.

    So much for her having beauty AND brains, ay?

    :|

    Course, 1 outta two ain't bad.

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  89. Here's a thought that just occurred to me. A few months back we were discussing the possibility of DubbleDum and Herr Cheney picking fights with Iran as an excuse to cancel the election and stay in power. Now I certainly dont think they orchestrated the Georgia conflict, but since an opportunity has now been handed to them on a silver platter ...

    This could be just the thing they were looking for to go through with it ... and they'll be able to do it without the accusations of starting another war.

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  90. Never thought i'd say this BUT McSame is making Bob Dole look intelligent and good in comparison..........and your right McSame does look like a senile old fool thats over his head.

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  91. John Q Public said...


    You people have never lived under the boot,you may tink you have but in fact you never have felt the whip.



    Keep your sexual fantasy's to yourself.

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  92. Mike said...
    Never thought i'd say this BUT McSame is making Bob Dole look intelligent and good in comparison..........


    That's pretty bad considering Bob Dole is a braindead inbred idiot.

    :|

    And he has Erectile Dysfunction to boot.

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  93. MCH said...
    Here's a thought that just occurred to me. A few months back we were discussing the possibility of DubbleDum and Herr Cheney picking fights with Iran as an excuse to cancel the election and stay in power. Now I certainly dont think they orchestrated the Georgia conflict, but since an opportunity has now been handed to them on a silver platter ...

    This could be just the thing they were looking for to go through with it ... and they'll be able to do it without the accusations of starting another war."


    Maybe, we'll have to see how this plays out, but my gut feeling is they werent looking to start a conflict with Russia......i think they wanted regime change in Iran so they could install a puppet government loyal to us and gain access to developing or buying their oil and natural gas reserves.

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  94. Mike said...
    and your right McSame does look like a senile old fool thats over his head.



    I'm telling you, he's entering Dementia. I'm not kidding either.

    Trust me if you've ever had a parent or loved one enter into that dark, dim period of life, then you'll see he is heading down the turnpike as we speak.

    He shows all the signs of Dementia.

    Confusion.

    Disorientation.

    Confusion of names and facts....

    :|

    Wait a second.

    I just described the entire news crew over at Fox.

    Not to mention our President.

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  95. Seriously though, I'm not kidding.

    Dementia is apparent to anyone who's gone though it with a parent, and I can tell you he is there.

    He is most certainly there.

    The biggest sign is the constant look of "confusion" on his face.

    Compare him now to 5 years ago.

    He's always confused. And watch the rapid eye blinking, the shifting looks, the lost blank stare in the face of questions.

    I'm not a doctor, but its not the doctors that usually first diagnose Age Onset Dementia, or Alzheimers in senior citizens.

    It's their kids.

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  96. BARTLEBEE said...
    Mike said...
    and your right McSame does look like a senile old fool thats over his head.



    I'm telling you, he's entering Dementia. I'm not kidding either.

    Trust me if you've ever had a parent or loved one enter into that dark, dim period of life, then you'll see he is heading down the turnpike as we speak.

    He shows all the signs of Dementia. "


    I have, my father is around the same age as Mcsame and he shows similar signs of dimentia and confusion.........in fact i asked him if he thinks he or someone his age should be allowed to be president and he said NO!

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  97. The kids see it, report to the doctors, and then the doctors simply confirm their findings.

    (By kids I'm talking about their kids, not children, lol)

    And I can tell you without a SHADOW OF A DOUBT, that John McCain is suffering from Age Onset Dementia.

    I've seen it before, and I'll never forget what it looks like.

    NEVER.

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  98. You people make the fun,but the truth is you do not understand what is going on in Russia at this point.you may make your views of the Georgia situation known but the fact is this is an election year in america,do either one of these guys have the balls to face up with Putin and the power of the Russian military at this point.Everything goes in circles,perhaps the coming years are the glorys days for the new soviet union.

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  99. Well I feel for you then Mike. If its onsetting in your dad, then be prepared.

    One day, you'll be talking to him, and it will be like talking to a stranger.

    He'll say the same stuff each time he sees you. He'll forget something he said an hour ago, and he'll be confused about everything from the date, to the season, to the country he's in.

    It gets BAD. The good news is he can live healthy and happy, in fact, he may be happier than he's ever been. It depends on the kids, and the support he receives. Keep him OUT of the hospital or nursing homes. They just make it worse.

    But one things for sure.

    NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE showing signs of Age Onset Dementia, should be anywhere NEAR the White House unless its on a walking tour.

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  100. And even then only if someone keeps an eye on them.

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  101. John Q Public said...

    You people make the fun,


    Yes... we make "the" fun.

    :|

    Course we couldn't do it without you.

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  102. You're a big help.

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  103. John Q. Pubic said...

    the fact is this is an election year in america,do either one of these guys have the balls to face up with Putin and the power of the Russian military at this point.


    I'm not even sure if McCain still has his balls.

    :|

    I think they're in a glass of water on his nightstand next to his dentures.

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  104. As for having the moral courage to deal with Russia, McCain's already showed his ass, lashing out with empty threats he has no ability to back up.

    Thats how HE'D handle it.

    Obama on the other hand, has called for international UN led peace-keeping forces, and recognition of Georgian provocation in Ossetia.

    Which means Obama CAN lead, and McCain is still in diapers.

    :|

    No I mean literally.... he's in diapers.

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  105. Ok then,when Putin steps up who will go eye to eye with him.If you dont think this guy sees weekness in america at this point youre not so smart.This is putins time in history and he knows it.After americas adventure in Irag who will be willing to face off against the Russians,I think not to many americans.what will you do boycot the next olyimpics.

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  106. I picture Mcsame wearing a diaper too...........LOL!

    But seriously he;s got the same empty phony tough guy bravado Bush does..........havent we had 8 years or war mongering Idiots with their fingers on the button?

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  107. You saying your ready to man up Willie Boy and go fight the commies........or you just gonna cheer on the war from your keyboard.........like a typical pretend repug tough guy?

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  108. Let me be straight with you,Putins view of Russia is of 50 years ago,if you for one minute think he is a modern man you are wrong.All these guys want is a return to the old soviet union when power was the weapon of choice.Control the masses.

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  109. See Bart Will craves attention just like Moo Moo but unfortunately no one posts on his blog except for Clif and I ripping his propaganda and talking points to shreds and since we havent gone to his echo chamber.......the little punk is out trolling.............Larry and Lydia dont really want him or rusty here.........but i find it amusing showing how ignorant he truly is.

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  110. Will said "Let me be straight with you,Putins view of Russia is of 50 years ago,if you for one minute think he is a modern man you are wrong.All these guys want is a return to the old soviet union when power was the weapon of choice.Control the masses."


    Sounds like a Reich Winger.........birds of a feather aye..........no wonder GWB said something like he looked into Putins heart and saw a i think it was something like friend or comrade?

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  111. John Q Public said...

    Let me be straight with you


    So you're saying you were being crooked with us before?

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  112. In my opinion 2010 will tell the tale.Whoever is the american president will have to face off with Putin.Putin is KGBto his bones,do you think he gives one shit about McCain being in a Vietnam jail for 6 years,do you think he cares if Obama is a smart guy who talks good,no way my friend all Putin cares about is looking like the new Joe Stalin,nothing more,nothing less.America is on the edge of a new Russia.

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  113. Will said "In my opinion 2010 will tell the tale.Whoever is the american president will have to face off with Putin.Putin is KGBto his bones,do you think he gives one shit about McCain being in a Vietnam jail for 6 years,do you think he cares if Obama is a smart guy who talks good,no way my friend all Putin cares about is looking like the new Joe Stalin,nothing more,nothing less.America is on the edge of a new Russia."


    I think he cares greatly.........just like Osama I think putin would GREATLY prefer another repug dunce as president that weakens America by overextending it and strengthens Russia's standing in the world with all their tactical and strategic blunders and squandering of our limited resources.

    Putin would much rather have a hot headed pompous war mongering dunce as president of America than a smart man who thinks long term and strategically...........so your ramblimgs are incoherent and just plain wrong Willie!

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  114. Just curious do you think your being slick or something by creating an alias and not responding to your name?

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  115. You can make all the jokes you want but when Putin has the switch under his control what will you do.Do you really think you can reason with this person.You dont know at all the Russian way of thought,do you think the Rusian people would not want to be be once again powerfull.

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  116. John Q Public said...

    Ok then,when Putin steps up who will go eye to eye with him.


    Uhhh... the point is there Quick Draw McGraw, not to.

    We don't need to go "eye to eye" with him. We have the United Nations, and the G8, of which Russia is a member.

    Russia is not looking to cut themselves off from the global community again, they're just trying to put Bush in his place.

    If Bush hadn't invaded Iraq and then refused to leave, we wouldn't be here right now.

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  117. John Q Public said...

    You can make all the jokes you want



    Only with your help.

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  118. You americans try to make everthing a chess match,does this guy think this about another guy.Its not that complecated in the real world.Its all about power,nothing more.I think you have a saying that timing is everything,well let me tell you my friend,Putin feels the same way.

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  119. John Q Public said...
    You dont know at all the Russian way of thought


    And you do?

    :|

    I grew up in the Cold War pal. "Duck and Cover" wouldn't mean a thing to you, but I know what it means.

    The closest you've likely came to anything Russian was your choice of salad dressings.

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  120. John Q Public said...


    You americans


    Us "Americans"?

    As opposed to you republicans?

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  121. Just like when you americans turned you back on vietnam in the 70s and my native country had issues in the 80s we both have lost wars with our young killed or wounded.At this point I have no taste for war but I know what a man like Putin can do without someone to stop him.

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  122. John Q Public said...

    Just like when you americans turned you back on vietnam in the 70s and my native country had issues in the 80s


    And what country is that pray tell.

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  123. Will's trying to bury the discussion with troll BS............thats all this IDIOT has.

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  124. You have no idea of how strong the Russian spirit is.If you look at history you know how the French and Germans were stopped,Rusian history is far longer then that of america,the Russian people have suffered far more then any american could ever know,everything goes in circles,maybe its time for a change.

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  125. Will said "t this point I have no taste for war but I know what a man like Putin can do without someone to stop him."

    So your saying you want someone ELSE to fight your wars FOR YOU.........Why does that NOT surprise me?

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  126. Hey Will...............How's that "assignment" Voltron gave you..........you clowns think you are so slick and that NO ONE knows what your doing........THINK AGAIN!

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  127. John Q Public said...
    You have no idea of how strong the Russian spirit is




    I'm guessing the closest you've ever been to Georgia is downtown Atlanta.

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  128. Mike said...

    Will's trying to bury the discussion with troll BS............thats all this IDIOT has.


    I know Mike but this ones too easy.

    The only thing he's burying is his credibility and reputation.

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  129. Will, Putin is NOT trying to recreate the Soviet Union and he doesn't want to be Stalin because that ended in FAILURE.

    So genius, Putin is trying a new style of real politic, one which uses economic power first and military power second, which is why he has used Gasprom to control the energy of Europe, and only resorted to the military in Georgia AFTER Bush egged georgia on the last 4-5 years.

    Putin KNOWS he has an open hand because of the idiotic republican foreign policy of the last 7 years.

    Putin knows where our forces are, it's in TV

    Putin knows what we could send, the Georgian troops they had in Iraq.

    Putin is smarter then YOU posit he is and he doesn't want to be Stalin that is what a brain dead right winger stuck on 20th cen stupid would say.

    Putin knows the American Empire is WAY over extended thanks the Bush Cheney and the idiot neo-cons.

    BTW with all the right wing claims of being better at security issues and foreign policy,

    WHY THE HELL haven't they rebuilt the military so they had OPTIONS right about now?

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  130. I came to america 7 years ago,at first I lived in Brighton Beach,I know live in Florida,why would you make your fun of me,in my former country we would wecome someone from another country.You may wonder why others dislike americans maybe you should perhaps look in the mirror.

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  131. Putin is sending a signal that they can plan the pre-emoptive game also, and with a LARGE segment of our Navy on the way to TRY to blockade Iran, and our broken military (thanks republican't s) spread thin in tow wars only Bush and the idiot neo-cons could find a way to screw up this badly, Putin knows we don't have the force projection capabilities to do anything about his pre-emptive move to"protect Russian" citizens ......

    Putin has learned the 21st century empire meme quite well I think.

    He don't want to be a Stalin son.... Stalin was almost as dumb as Bush, with his bone headed moves he destroyed the soviet military before WW2 just like bush has destroyed the US military with his clueless war on terra

    The only real difference between Stalin and Bush in this respect is, Stalin was the dictator Bush always wanted to be.

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  132. Yeah WILL...............How come repug Idiots like Bush and McSame.............PRETEND they and ONLY they support the military and are EXPERTS on National Security and the ONLY ones who can keep us safe yet when theyve had their chance theyve done the exact opposite........all theryve MADE is a Mess we are MUCH less safe, our military is over extended and weaker, and our national security and economy have been compromised by these idiots.

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  133. Clif said...
    Putin KNOWS he has an open hand because of the idiotic republican foreign policy of the last 7 years.

    Exactly.

    If we hadn't went into Iraq, we'd not be in this mess right now.

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  134. John Q Public said...

    I came to america 7 years ago,at first I lived in Brighton Beach,I know live in Florida,why would you make your fun of me


    Because you're so easy to make fun of?

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  135. I dont think any of you understand the Russian people,how could you if you have not lived under both systems,talk is cheep,if you have not seened it yourself you are just speculating,nothing more,nothing less.Anythintg more is just an opioion.

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  136. Lydia's right McSame has flip flopped on essentially EVERY key issue.........you have to wonder if he;s wrong, cares more about winning an election than his country or his principles, or if he's just senile?

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  137. Or did you think I'm buying this foreigner act?

    :|

    Your poor english is clearly due to illiteracy, not foreign orgins

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  138. you need to get yourself a spell and speak Will............

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  139. Is it the american way to make fun of someone other then youself.If so,best wishes to you and your familys.You are certainly a strong person.

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  140. Hey Will HOW MANY planes did McSame lose, How many planes did he crasH//


    Wasnt he like bottom of his class..........you just HATE the facts dont ya???

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  141. Mike said...

    Lydia's right McSame has flip flopped on essentially EVERY key issue.........you have to wonder if he;s wrong, cares more about winning an election than his country or his principles, or if he's just senile?


    I don't wonder Mike.

    Like I said earlier, and I am NOT kidding here.

    John McCain is CLEARLY showing the signs of Age Onset Dementia.

    And I know how to spot it, because I've been through it with a loved one myself, and I am NOT kidding.

    And I am NOT wrong.

    Some point's I'll cave on, you know that. I'll leave room for wiggle, room for opposing opinions, but on this one I will not yeild.

    I've seen it before. I've LIVED through it with someone, and I am telling you, he is CLEARLY showing the signs of Age Onset Dementia.

    In 5 years that man won't know if he's at the LA Hilton or back at the Hanoi Hilton.

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  142. Will said...
    Is it the american way to make fun of someone other then youself.If so,best wishes to you and your familys.You are certainly a strong person."


    Is it the American way to PRETEND to be a foreigner or a non partisan moderate?

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  143. His brain is literally shutting down.

    There's no stopping it now. You can slow it, but you cannot stop it.

    Anyone standing him up as a presidential candidate is NOT planning on him serving his term in office. The plan here is obvious.

    They sell McCain as a war hero, and stick a far right wing neocon nutjob in as VP. Then, once in office, they execute the 25th Amendment, and whoever his veep is, Duncan Hunter or someone, becomes President.

    It's how they plan on passing someone into office who the people would not normally vote for.

    They do not plan on McCain being President for more than month or two.

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  144. I agree I think he;s becoming senile as well.........like i said My dad has dementia and he reminds me of McSame in some ways.

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  145. John Q Pubic said...

    Is it the american way to make fun of someone other then youself.


    The reason you won't say what country you're from slick, is because you're not from any other country, unless you consider Texas another country and you don't want to be pinned down on a country because you know you'll blow it as soon as you do.

    But hey, feel free to prove me wrong. Tell us what country you're from.

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  146. Bart in some ways they could "leave" McCain as a front man like bush has been for Cheney, but let the staff know everything goes through Mittens office just like all Bush's choices went through Cheney's.

    That way a couple of years in they could have Mittens take over and still have two full terms left.

    Too bad the republican'ts are gonna lose big time.

    fivethirtyeight has if 296-241 in electorial college right now in Obama's favor.

    pollster.com has it 284-157 Obama over McCain with 97 electoral votes up for grab.

    But the take away is BOTH give Obama enough electoral votes to win right now.

    That is with out the "dementia moments" at the debates.

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  147. clif said...
    Bart in some ways they could "leave" McCain as a front man like bush has been for Cheney, but let the staff know everything goes through Mittens office just like all Bush's choices went through Cheney's.



    Yea, I'm considering that one too.

    Either way, anyone voting for him is a rube.

    Why Angelina Jolie is considering him, I have no clue. Unless of course it's because her crazy dad, John Voight, is supporting him.

    McCain's well into the throes of age related Dementia, and I cannot BELIEVE anyone would want to vote for him.

    You'd have to be really, really dense to vote for McCain.

    REALLY dense.

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  148. Clif said...

    That is with out the "dementia moments" at the debates.

    Thats what I am waiting for.

    Obama shouldn't fear this guy.

    He should meet him in Town Halls like he wants. Meet him ANYWHERE.

    Because as soon as the cameras are on, and the questions are being rapid fire asked, Obama's sharp, "keen" mind is going to lay WASTE to McCain.

    Right there on Camera.

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  149. There's no way McCain will be able to keep up. He can't remember what he says from one minute to the next, how the HELL does he expect to debate Obama?

    Obama will MAUL him.

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  150. Any more dense then the people who blindly supported Bush as he created the present economic, military, political, fiscal, foreign policy mess we are in?

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  151. BARTLEBEE said...
    Clif said...

    That is with out the "dementia moments" at the debates.

    Thats what I am waiting for.

    Obama shouldn't fear this guy.

    He should meet him in Town Halls like he wants. Meet him ANYWHERE.

    Because as soon as the cameras are on, and the questions are being rapid fire asked, Obama's sharp, "keen" mind is going to lay WASTE to McCain.

    Right there on Camera."


    Couldnt have said it better..........Obama would absolutely CRUSH McSame in a toe to toe debate.........McSame isnt SMART enough to hang with Obama

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  152. Here, I'm Obama's campaign manager (picture Burgess Meredith in Rocky III)


    ...."dis guy's will knock you into next week Johnny.... I want no part of it!"

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  153. ...he's a WRECKIN MACHINE.... and he's hungry!

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  154. Sorry, I meant McCains manager, lol.

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  155. McSame isnt SMART enough to hang with Obama

    Mike as to whether he is smart enough, the real question in a debate is he QUICK enough mentally to keep up, and he doesn't look like he is ....

    He won't be able to respond very well and will get lost in his thoughts with out a scripted stage crafted Bush type townhall ........... which open national debates won't be.

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  156. If McCain's dumb enough to go toe to toe with Obama in an open town hall, then he'll get crucified.

    The next day they'll be calling Obama "Clubber Barak".

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  157. What Obama needs to do is FIRE his campaign manager and start making his own decisions and deciding on his own commericals.

    His campaign manager is making so many idiotic mistakes, like today, responding to McCains "celebrity attack ads".

    Theres no reason to respond to such tripe. Obama's a serious man. Lets show him as such. Why respond to petty tripe that the McCain camp dreams up? Its petty crap.

    Obama's a serious man and they need to show him as such.

    Let Obama be Obama.

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  158. Thats right Clif..........McSame is neither quick witted nor sharp enough to hold his own in an unscripted live debate.........he would look like a blithering idiot kinda like Will the troll does all the time.

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  159. bart the time before the conventions is a sort of silly season, august is always a slow news season , which is why the swift boaters used it in 2004 to derail the Kerry campaign, Obama learned that lesson so his campaign is blunting the dishonest meme McSame's Rovian campaign minions were trying to build, because some people are stoopid enough to believe those ads.

    Obama is also scoring hits in his responses.

    He turned the false celebrity of Mcsame into Mcsame has been a Washington insider celebrity for decades, which under cuts the tired old lie of being a maverick.

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  160. Clif said...

    Obama is also scoring hits in his responses.


    Really? Lets look at some of those "hits".

    Here's a headline on the Obama response to that McCain ad, from Associated Press this evining.

    McCain's 'celebrity' taunts are bugging Obama

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  161. McCain's 'celebrity' taunts are bugging Obama

    By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
    Mon Aug 11, 8:39 PM ET


    HARRISBURG, Pa. -

    In a presidential campaign freighted with war, recession and energy woes, a jibe featuring Paris Hilton, of all things, seems to have struck a nerve in Democrat Barack Obama.

    For the second time in two weeks, he aired a TV ad Monday rebutting Republican John McCain's claim that Obama is little more than a celebrity, like the blonde hotel heiress.

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  162. Thats what responding to the petty bullshit buys him Clif.

    It's not good, and it doesn't help.

    He should IGNORE them.

    IGNORE the petty shit and focus on what matters.

    THATS what a President does.

    And THATS what Obama needs to do.

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  163. When a candidate for President responds to that sort of petty crap, all he's doing is showing it bothers him.

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  164. The first time, Obama dismissed the assertion as "baloney." On Monday, Obama took a different tack with a commercial that says McCain, not he, is "Washington's biggest celebrity."

    The back-and-forth may seem as frothy as a boardwalk milkshake in mid-August. But it suggests McCain is making some headway in trying to fight the campaign on his terms.


    AP

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  165. Mike said when he fights and plays chess, he has learned that the best defense is a strong offense.

    And thats true.

    In fact, it's the dao of Jeet Kune Do, and that means NOT swinging at your oppenents feints, and jabs, but instead, throwing your own punches first.

    When your oppenent throws a feint, you "parry" it.

    You don't swing at it.

    THATS how you win a fight.

    And Obama's campaign manager is SWINGING at these feints and jabs from the McCain camp, and it puts him on the DEFENSE.

    He needs to FIRE his worthless campaign manager, and start using his own head. He knows what to say. He knows what to do. He just needs to say it and do it.

    And stop letting the same losers who lost John Kerry the election run his into the ground.

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  166. Correction:

    When your opponent throws a JAB, you parry it (never parry a feint if you can detect it).

    And all this was is a jab. Its no knock out punch. Hell everyone thought it was laughable. These ads made McCain look DESPERATE.

    If Obama's campaign manager had an INKLING of strategic common sense, he'd had continued to ignore it, and let the idea of DESPERATION on McCains part permeate the political atmosphere.

    Instead he wasted that opportunity, and made his own candidate look a little desperate responding to McCains desperation.

    Obama needs to FIRE him.

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  167. Maybe this is why Charles Babington is writing such pro-McCain hit pieces,

    Charles Babington, Coverup Artist

    because he has been writing pro-republican pieces for a long time.


    Sometimes with the strategy Obama is trying to use in his campaign, he has to tactically jab back at McCain.

    The complaints you seem to want to level against Obama's campaign is what they used to beat the Clinton political machine, so I would trust their judgment about now.

    Hitting back after a string of campaign commercials about celebrity which the MSM was helping push on their talking heads shows does require a little push back.

    And McSame's campaign has tried to use celebrity as a theme, Obama just turned the tables a bit.

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  168. Hey Lydia:::
    you have been blogging up a storm over here...you have blogged some really amazing parts of July...McCain to Olympics to yes,..the Edwards situation...thank you for all of your hard work..

    namaste..

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  169. Clif said...

    The complaints you seem to want to level against Obama's campaign is what they used to beat the Clinton political machine, so I would trust their judgment about now

    You call THAT "beating" them?

    Hell we're still not sure who's getting the nod at the convention.

    She's vying for a seat as we speak.

    That was the CLOSEST SQUEAKER I've ever seen, and in half the party's mind its still not decided.

    He should have CRUCIFIED Hilary.

    But his campaign manager sucks so bad, that he almost lost the whole ball of wax.

    No, sorry clif but my complaints are founded in reality.

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  170. And you don't respond to petty baseless attacks.

    It just makes your candidate look petty and baseless.

    And whats worse, it gives fuel to the petty attacks.

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  171. It doesn't matter WHO wrote that article Clif, the fact is thats how it looks.

    And here's the rub!

    Last week, when McCains people were running these ads, and labeling him a "celebrity", most major news figures were mocking McCain for his own ads!

    Thats right. Last week I heard all of them, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman, even Wolf Blitzer questioned the logic of painting Obama as "popular" and "well liked".

    Chris Matthews laughed at the idea of drawing attention to Obama's popularity while at the same time drawing attention to McCains UNpopularity.

    Because THATS all the ads did.

    They made Obama look "cool" and McCain look unpopular and desperate.

    So WHY in the WORLD would his campaign want to ALTER that dynamic?

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  172. The McCain camps "celebrity ads" did nothing but draw attention to Obama's phenomemal popularity both at home and abroad, and made McCain look boorish and desperate.

    And what did Obama's campaign manager decide to do with that free gift?

    Why respond to it of course, making the ads look like they might have some substance after all.

    :|

    Thats what we call a "heck-uva-job".

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  173. When your opponent hands you a free gift, like an ad that makes you look cool and them look stupid and desperate, you DON'T GIVE BACK THE GIFT, by RESPONDING TO IT.

    I mean, do I actually have to say this? Isn't this obvious?

    Obama's campaign manager SUCKS.

    If he had half a brain, he'd have NEVER allowed ANY response to those ads, other than a subtle chuckle from his candidate.

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  174. It's this "tit for tat" bullshit that the public is sick of. It makes the candidates look petty and stupid. And it convinces no one of anything other than that they like NEITHER of them.

    The candidate who stays ABOVE that persona, will be the one who draws the swing votes.

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  175. Last week, when McCains camp was running these ads, Obama looked cool without spending a cent.

    Keith Olberman even commented on how stupid it was for the McCain camp to include in the ad a photo of Obama waving to the crowds in Germany.

    It made Obama look like a great leader. A cool cat. A likable candidate. McCains ads were better for Obama than any ads his camp was running for him themselves.

    And now, instead of letting that ad that they didn't even have to pay for, make their candidate look cool and McCain look petty, they decided to respond to it, making Obama look petty.

    And thats the stupidest f#$king thing they could've done.

    Obama needs to FIRE his campaign manager, or whoever made the decision to respond to those ads.

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  176. Cindy Sheehan qualifies to run for Pelosi's seat

    By JUDY LIN, Associated Press Writer Mon Aug 11, 7:00 PM ET
    SAN FRANCISCO -

    Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan has qualified to run as an independent against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in November's general election.

    San Francisco election officials on Monday said they have verified enough signatures of registered voters on Sheehan's petitions.

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  177. I'd love to see someone with a backbone beat Pelosi.

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  178. Enigma - thank you! Miss you.
    I'll catch up over at your blog.
    xo

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  179. John Q. Public - thank you for posting.
    Your typewriter seems very similar to Rusty and Moo Moo's typewriter.

    Thanks for posting your comments.

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  180. Dmitry Medvedev declares an end to Russian Military activity in Georgia.

    The Russian's don't seem to have taken much Georgian territory, but did do it's best to destroy the Georgian military.

    If this holds it appears Putin got what he wanted, both break away provinces protected with all Georgian military elements thrown out, and the Georgian government and US president discredited in the Georgian civilian's eyes.

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  181. Basically since Russia has destroyed quite a bit of Georgia's military power they can call an end to combat operations and wait to see if the president of Georgia can keep his word THIS TIME.

    That and the fact the president of France was just arriving in Moscow it helps for the MSM photo ops.

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  182. Here's the link;

    Russian president calls halt to Georgian war

    "I have reached a decision to halt the operation to force the Georgian authorities to peace," Medvedev said. "The aggressor has been punished and has incurred very significant losses. Its armed forces are disorganized."

    (snip)

    Lavrov said it would be best if Saakashvili stepped down as Georgia's leader -- something the president has vowed not to do -- but that Russia is not demanding his resignation.

    "We have no plans to throw down any leadership," Lavrov said. "It is not part of our culture. It is not what we do."



    We'll see if the Russian president is better at keeping his word, then the Georgian president was on the night of August 7th ..............

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  183. This is interesting;

    Moscow's troops appeared to have largely stayed within the two separatist areas of South Ossetia and Abkhazia overnight, calming fears they might push deep into Georgia and threaten President Mikheil Saakashvili's government.

    Reuters correspondents in the key road junction of Gori, on the main east-west highway across Georgia, said there were no Russian forces in the largely deserted town, though Moscow's warplanes were bombing artillery positions around the town.


    The claims of Russian troops running all over Georgia came from only Georgian officials, but don't seem to be any more true then the WMD claims of Bush were ...........

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  184. He must actually think he's fooling somebody.

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  185. Well Clif I hope you're right.

    Georgia says Russia bombed after order to halt war

    By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA and MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI, Associated Press Writers 16 minutes ago

    TBILISI, Georgia -

    Russia ordered a halt to the war in Georgia on Tuesday, after five days of air and land attacks that sent Georgia's army into headlong retreat and left towns, military bases and homes in the U.S. ally smoldering. Georgia insisted that Russian forces were still bombing and shelling.


    Despite the televised order by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Russia launched an offensive Tuesday in the Kodori Gorge, the only part of the breakaway region of Abkhazia still under Georgian control, sending in tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery.

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  186. Well see. It would seem Russia is going to occupy the area's it's already bombed, some including Georgian terroritory.

    Oh sure, Russia calls them "Peacekeeping Forces", but thats just a fancy word for occupation.

    And we all know how occupations turn out, right?

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  187. Of course Putin has accomplished one of his goals.

    He's backed Bush into a corner, showing the world that Bush (and us) only pick fights with tiny nations, and for all our "defend our allies" talk, it only applies when LITTLE countries are the aggressors.

    When BIG countries, like Russia, are the aggressor, THEN Bush wants to "talk".

    Thats a win for Russia on the international stage.

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  188. And by the way Clif, while there are still varying disputes on whether or not Russian soldiers actually entered the city of Gori or not, the question is now moot.

    Because it has been confirmed that Russia BOMBED IT INTO RUBBLE.

    I've seen the AP photographs. The Post Office, Police Stations, homes, the Library.

    Bombed into RUBBLE.

    So much for your claims of them stopping at Ossetia, ay?

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  189. Of course that doesn't mean I'm taking sides here. The Georgians clearly were as much to blame for this as Russia. Both sides did wrong, but that doesn't mean we can ignore whats happening.

    Of course being as WE have no moral high ground from which to lecture Russia, it will have to be an international effort, as Mike so accurately stated yesterday.

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  190. And the US should take a back seat role publiclly. We should not come out as lecturing someone for occupying a foreign country when we ourselves are doing the same thing.

    Bush should shut up. Using harsh rhetoric right now to the press about Russia just hurts peace efforts. It doesn't help them.

    When asked about Russia he should say the international community is looking at it, and leave it at that.

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  191. I noticed over in ThinkProgress everyones calling anyone critical of Russia a Neocon.

    In fact they've got entire articles claiming its a Neocon position.

    I guess they consider Joe Biden, a Neocon.

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  192. By acting disproportionately with a full scale attack on Georgia and seeking the ouster of Georgia's democratically elected President Mikheil Saakashvili, Moscow is jeopardizing its standing in Europe and the broader international community – and risking very real practical and political consequences...


    Sen. Joseph Biden

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  193. The only hope for preventing this crisis from becoming a calamity for Russia's relationship with the west is for Moscow to immediately ceasefire, pull back its forces and agree to negotiations brokered by the international community – all steps that the Georgian government has agreed to.

    If the fighting continues, this moment could emerge as a turning point in the west's relationship with Moscow, and deny Russia the international standing it seeks.

    That is not the future the United States or Europe want – but it is the future Russia may get if it does not stand down and live up to its responsibilities as a force for progress


    Joe Biden

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  194. And before anyone calls Biden a warmonger, remember he was one of the few Senators to vote AGAINST the 2002 resolution on Iraq.

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  195. I just heard a very amazing fact about John McCain that I did not know.

    Did you guys know John McCain was NOT born in the United States?

    After all the crap he's been giving Obama about being born in Hawaii off the continent, turns out that John McCain himself wasn't born in the US at ALL!

    He was born in PANAMA!

    :|

    I did not know that.

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  196. So how exactly can he be sworn in as President?

    Isn't there something funny about that?

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  197. You didnt KNOW that?

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  198. If you're going to be involved in government in the United States, citizenship is a must. To be a Senator or Representative, you must be a citizen of the United States. To be President, not only must you be a citizen, but you must also be natural-born. Aside from participation in government, citizenship is an honor bestowed upon people by the citizenry of the United States when a non-citizen passes the required tests and submits to an oath.

    Natural-born citizen

    Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?

    The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

    Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

    Anyone born inside the United States
    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

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  199. Another interesting fact is we have NEVER had an actual President NOT born in America.........we've had several candidates not born in America.........but they've NEVER won.

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