Friday, April 13, 2007

Rep. Charles Rangel on our Show "Basham and Cornell Progressive Talk"

SATURDAY MORNING TUNE IN LIVE FROM LAS VEGAS and LOS ANGELES to our show BASHAM AND CORNELL PROGRESSIVE TALK
from 9 - 10 a.m. We broadcast live -- or go to our website and click on the link to hear the entire show in the archives.

TOMORROW, Saturday April 14:

Congressman Charles Rangel will be our guest April 14. He will discuss his 30-year Congressional career and his new book, "And I Haven't Had a Bad Day Since: From the Streets of Harlem to the Halls of Congress."

We're also having Eric Burns from Media Matters to discuss the Imus issue.

Recently our guest was Mark Green, one of the new owners of Air America, founder of New Democracy Project and author of "Losing Our Democracy." We've had some amazing guests the past 3 weeks: former federal prosecutor Elizabeth de la Vega, author of "U.S. vs BUSH" which is going to be a movie, a courtroom drama on the Bush Impeachment. We also had Media Matters' Paul Waldman, author of "Being Right is Not Enough". Last week we interview Media Matters' Eric Boehlert on his report "If it's Sunday it Must be Conservative." Boehlert is the author of LAPDOGS: "How the Press Rolled Over for Bush." A look inside one of the great journalistic collapses of our time.

Open thread. Let's talk about the 5 million emails missing from White House computers.

662 comments:

  1. Well, they're not missing from the White HOuse computers...they're just misplaced...

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  2. Oh, hey, Lydia, when you have Rangel on the show, talking about Imus, no doubt, remind him how he called Bill Clinton a redneck after the Amadou Diallou case and ask if he sees this case differently because of that.

    I'd call in, but I'm laying up supplies for the STORM OF THE CENTURRRYYYYYYYY that's supposed to hit us Sunday and Monday...and Tuesday...and Wednesday...and maybe even Thursday....

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  3. Source on the redneck comment: EURWeb, among others.

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  4. Obviously Carl has never heard of Randi Rhodes, Al Franken, Michael Moore or Keith Olberman...

    But of course "hate speech" aimed at conservatives isn't really "hate" is it?

    The fact is Carl, you have just as many if not more "haters" on your side as we do. You simply don't see it because you agree with their point of view.

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  5. Hi Lydia, Carl, et al..

    Yeah, that's a ton of missing emails, eh? What a surprise! NOT!

    Clif:

    I posted the article that you sent to me this morning on my new blog! ;)

    Where Have All The Leaders Gone?

    Lydia...

    I'll try to call in tomorrow morning! ;)

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  6. Voltron said...
    Obviously Carl has never heard of Randi Rhodes, Al Franken, Michael Moore or Keith Olberman...


    BRRRRRRRRRRAP

    Wrong, Widdle Twucker, poor widdle boombooms, they criticize conservatives, but do NOT hate them.

    And oh! Al Franken? Not on radio anymore, maybe you heard, you Nappy Headed HoHo?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Don't forget to put your widdle twuck away in the Pwayskoow Gawage, Widdle Twucker...

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  7. Poor Widdle Twucker....he can't take a Widdle cwiticism of his antediluvial half-assed views without bewieving people hate him....

    HATE him!

    Poor widdle pawanoid Twucker...

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  8. Carl:

    OMG! I am ROFLMAO and can't get up!

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  9. P.S.

    You look very dangerous with that gun!

    LOLMAO

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  10. Good Afternoon, people.

    Voltron, here's the difference. When the leftists you mention attack the minions of Bu$hCo, they are attacking their behavior, their hypocrisy, or their public policy. While all the above inspire anger, even outrage, in thinking people, angry speech is not hate speech.

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  11. "antediluvial"?

    Before the flood? I thought you guys believed in evolution, not that silly bible stuff...

    (nice try at appearing intellectual though)

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  12. Tomcat, I could make the same argument for all of the mainstream conservatives.

    If you ever listened to Rush long enough to get the complete context, you would see he does the very same thing.

    And what part of the administrations policies or behavior would Ms. Rhodes be criticizing when she plays her little gunshot piece insinuating Bushes assassination?

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  13. "Rudy Giuliani's current foreign policy advisers include retired Gen. Jack Keane, the architect of President Bush's Iraq escalation policy, and former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton."


    Looks like Rudy NYC Mob Ties-Adulterer Giuliani is trying to drink barrels of the reichwingnut kool aid, to catch up with St Johnny the Delusional Family Mob ties-adulterer McCain.

    Hope it does as much for his campaign as it has for st Johny Boy's

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  14. Hope it does as much for his campaign as it has for st Johny Boy's
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    Hi Clif!

    Yep, McCain's campaign is in the sewer! LOL

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  15. Hi Lydia, Everyone..

    Mike,

    I read that Article of what Lee Iacocca said about our Leaders and I have to say that Lee Iacocca missed out on Charlie Sheens Comments in the Protest last month.

    Charlie Sheen said:
    "THE U.S. GOVERNMENT NO LONGER REPRESENTS THE VIEWS AND NEEDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EITHER DOMESTICALLY OR INTERNATIONALLY!" - MARTIN SHEEN

    I believe Iacocca and every American should take Sheen's comment very seriously of what is the Reality in Washington.

    Many other prominent people are saying the very same thing as Sheen and I cannot stress enough how seriously compromised our Government is...

    Someone should inform Iacocca because he doesn't seem to understand!

    Just like many other people don't understand and mistakenly think we still live in the same Republic.

    The Bush Admin is very close to dictatorship which is only 1 false flag away in which he will enact martial law and take full control.

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  16. Carl,

    There's ways to recover those e-mails..

    You cannot erase them and Leahy calls it right!

    quote: “They say they have not been preserved. I don't believe that!” Leahy shouted from the Senate floor as the dispute over the firing of federal prosecutors continued at a high pitch.

    “You can't erase e-mails, not today. They've gone through too many servers,” said Leahy, D-Vt. “Those e-mails are there, they just don't want to produce them. We'll subpoena them if necessary.”


    - Leahy: I don't buy it!

    We don't buy it either...

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  17. Hi GEF, CLIF, CARL, S-Q, MIKE VOLT, What happens if they won't deliver the emails? I don't want to sound naive, but what's the next step. Suppose they ignore or stonewall the subpoena? Is this possible?

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  18. TomCat, you hit the nail on the head. I always wonder why others accuse us of hate-speech, when we are simply shining a light on their use of hate-speech (Ann Coulter, Glen Beck, etc.) and chastising them for it, as we should. It's their corruption, their lies, their behavior which causes us to point it out.

    Just telling the truth -- this is hate-speech, Volt?

    Are we not supposed to acknowledge it at all? Pointing it out and denouncing it is not in itself, hate speech.

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  19. I mean Glen Beck indulges in vicious immature schoolyard bully taunts. He said he wanted to "kill Michael Moore with his bare hands."

    He said he felt disgust and hatred for the Katrina victims and the 911 victims. He said Rosie had fat dripping out of her eyes. He told a Muslim Congressman that he needed proof the Congressman was not a terrorist.

    Talk about hate-speak!

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  20. lydia,

    Suffice to say that It's going to get real ugly in Washington pretty soon!

    I keep saying that the GOP needs to Join the DEMs in Impeachment of Bush and Cheney in order to grab control of our Govt again.

    The Pentagon and the Executive are out there increasing troops in full contention of Congress and they are brazenly telling us they are doing it....

    We're in a Rogue Empire situation and I see no other recourse but Impeachment and probable indictments!

    First thing we need to do after getting rid of Bush and Cheney is get rid of Patriot Act(Misnamed) and Restore the Habeus Corpus..

    But then Mike can tell you all this verbatim..

    LOLMAO*)

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  22. Hi Everyone!

    How has the spring break gone for you and your sons Lydia?

    Btw...I love your name! Are you named after a family member? ;)

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  23. Two more U.S soldiers were killed in Baghdad today bringing the total killed since Bush's invasion to 3,299.

    Bush will celebtrate this weekend.

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  24. Larry:

    It's horrible! I get sick when I hear that we've lost more soldiers!!

    Bush is such an idiot!

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  25. Lydia:

    I just read that they want to have Fitz (Fitzgerald) reopen the CIA Leak case because of those 5 million missing emails.

    Rove is in very hot water now!

    How long until he and Gone-Zo are gone? Not soon enough!

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  26. A Horsemen of the Apocalypse is after Karl Rove...

    Run away Karl Run..

    Gallop Gallop Gallop...

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  27. GEF:

    We're gonna have that Hawaiian Luau yet..Porkrind with an apple in his mouth!

    LOLMAO

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  28. Susie,

    There have been 52 killed so far this month.

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  29. Suzi, thanks, no it's not a family name. For years I hated my name and wanted to be named "Susie!"

    But I grew to appreciate it.

    Am preparing for the show tomorrow and finishing Rangel's amazing book.

    I dont' think we are going to take calls until maybe the second hour, if Rangel stays with us as long as that. The first half hour we're having Eric Burns on from Media Matters

    Check out our website at: www.bashamandcornell.com

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  30. Thank you Larry for your guiding wisdom.

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  31. No problem Lydia.

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  32. Several groups are calling for Fitzgerald to reopen the CIA case because of Rove's missing emails.

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  33. Larry:

    It's just tragic and sad!! I want our troops home now!

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  34. Lydia:

    I'll be listening tomorrow morning and I'll try to call in. After 9:30 for calls?

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  35. Btw.. Lydia, your website is nice! :)

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  36. Fifty two U.S troops have been killed in Iraq in the month of April.

    The month isn't half over yet.

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  37. Larry:

    Fitz will nail that Porkrind now!

    He probably lied to the CIA leak Grand Jury 5 times!!

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  38. They are issuing a subpoena to Rove's assistant. Rove will probably push the blame on her.

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  39. The Signal International Shipyard in Mississippi has been trafficking workers from India and forcing them to stay 20 to a trailer, as they use them to work.

    They were being held at gunpoint.

    More of the Bush economy!

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  40. Lydia Cornell said...


    Hi GEF, CLIF, CARL, S-Q, MIKE VOLT, What happens if they won't deliver the emails? I don't want to sound naive, but what's the next step. Suppose they ignore or stonewall the subpoena? Is this possible?


    Hmmm. Since you asked everybody but me, I'll answer.

    :D

    Your question is NOT naive. It is exactly the question everyones asking.

    I believe it will go to a Federal judge in DC who devides I believe whether to impanel a grand jury.

    I could be wrong there so anyone please correct me if I am.

    Either way I think they are screwed.

    Server logs will show just how many messages are missing, and it looks like they're in some trouble.

    If Rove deleted years worth of White House communications he's probably going to jail ultimately. Its called Obstruction, and its an pretty much open and shut deal in cases of tampering and evidence destruction, and failure to comply with federal documentation requirements.

    I think its enough to open impeachment hearings to remove the cabinet.

    Destroying records is a crime and can get you impeached.

    Either way Rove's ass is GRASS.

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  41. Hey Mike?

    Remember my prediction???

    See the gears turning?

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  42. Lydia,

    I have no idea about Glen Beck, I never watch him. Matter of fact I'd never even heard of him until they were advertising a special about Islamic terrorists a few months ago.

    I don't think he's "mainstream" as I was talking about.

    I do however listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham and have never heard any one of those advocating for someones death. (or serious harm even)

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  43. I do however listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham

    No wonder what you spout here sounds like a third grader made it up

    LOL

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  44. Server logs will show just how many messages are missing, and it looks like they're in some trouble.
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    Hi Worf!

    Yes, they are in deep sh*t! No doubt, deleted emails of their plots and crimes!

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  45. Don't feel alone Worf, she didn't mention me either.

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  46. I do however listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham
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    Volt:

    Why do you listen to those brainwashing fools? You can find the real truth on the blogs such as this one.. and use your own brain!

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  47. Suzy-Q

    Hi Worf!

    Yes, they are in deep sh*t! No doubt, deleted emails of their plots and crimes!


    Deep Quagmire

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  48. S-q It's da kool aid, some people can't help themselves.

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  49. War lover McCain is skipping a meeting between retired generals and Presidential hopefuls about torture.

    Since McCain loves Bush and war he must also embrace torture.

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  50. Lapdog Lieberman is supporting Bush's "war czar" position.

    Good maybe Bush will offer his lapdog the job!

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  51. Mob boss Guiliani will speak at Regent University, the ultra-neocon college of Pat Robertson.

    The multi-divorced, mobbed up Guiliani must have converted.

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  52. SusieQ,

    Ego I suppose. I enjoy hearing someone who feels the same way I do.

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  53. And in that vein,

    I must say Worf, I gained some respect for you last night regarding your Imus comments.

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  54. S-q It's da kool aid, some people can't help themselves.
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    Clif:

    I think it's a form of brainwashing!

    LOL

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  55. Larry:

    McCain is probably skipping that meeting because he might get asked some questions about his Baghdad Misadventure Show!

    It was safe one day and hell on earth the next, tell us about how safe it was!

    I bet he has no answers...

    LOL

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  56. Voltron said...


    I must say Worf, I gained some respect for you last night regarding your Imus comments.


    A fact which makes me oddly uncomfortable.

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  57. You and about 2000 right wing trolls over at think progress.

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  58. But I guess you can say that I said you guys were right on that one.

    On that ONE.

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  59. s-q Dolty Boy admitted that two comment above yours.....

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  60. Suzie-Q said...

    It was safe one day and hell on earth the next, tell us about how safe it was


    Considering he had to be escorted by two Apache attack copters and 3 blackhawk gunships, tanks and 100 light infantry, I'm not sure I'd call it safe on that day either.

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  61. By the way, since you all feel so protective regarding the Constitution, how do you feel about Tom Lantos crowing about the "embarassment" of the administration and his continued defiance of Bush in the Syrian press?

    Lantos in SANA

    It IS a violation of the Logan Act, which grants the administration exclusive perview of foreign policy.

    Logan Act

    Although I doubt anyone in this administration has the cojone's to throw his butt in jail. (or Pelosi for that matter)

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  62. And I will say this Volt.

    I gained an unexpected perspected on what its like to be a right wing blogger in a left wing blog.

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  63. LOL,

    Welcome to my world...

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  64. Bill Mayer is on.

    Another Bush attack.

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  65. You know, political ideologies aside,

    I do wish politicians on BOTH sides had a better grasp of the Constitution than they obviously do.

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  66. Dolty boy the LOGAN ACT has been declared NOT applicable to the US Congress stupid by the US supreme court. Try reading something beside the talking points designed to derail the blog numbnuts.

    You'd stop looking so STUPID all the time son.

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  67. I do wish politicians on BOTH sides had a better grasp of the Constitution than they obviously do.

    Yes dolty BOY especially the Idiot in chief, dead eye and the corrupt rubber stamp 109th congress, who all have done their best to destroy the US constitution and the protections it has held for centuries for all Americans.

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  68. Mayer is on Sharpton like a flea on a dog.

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  69. s-q Dolty Boy admitted that two comment above yours.....
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    Clif:

    Yep, I saw that! LOLMAO

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  70. Considering he had to be escorted by two Apache attack copters and 3 blackhawk gunships, tanks and 100 light infantry, I'm not sure I'd call it safe on that day either.
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    Worf:

    I was being very sarcastic!

    LOL

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  71. I don't find anything to back up your assertions on that Clif, but since it's only been used once I'll take your word on it.

    Most I've seen claim it "may" be unconstitutional due to it being overly broad.

    IF SCOTUS has ruled on it, it's been sometime since September of 2006.

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  72. I do wish politicians on BOTH sides had a better grasp of the Constitution than they obviously do.
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    Voltron:

    It's Bush who has changed laws 850 times!

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  73. Mahar is MAD they fired Imus, they were buddies since Mahar's childhood.

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  74. Sorry son but congressional FACT FINDING Missions have gone on since the inception of the country son, your just being the stupid "Hannity fact" spewing troll you do all the time here.

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  75. SusieQ,

    My point was that they ALL do it to some degree, it seems whomever we send to office these days have no real concept of their limitations until they exceed them. (and they should)

    Which side does it the most is a different debate, and I don't want to get into that as we both would have WAY too many examples.

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  76. Clif, that's true and it's not illegal. However setting up your own diplomacy apart from the administration IS.

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  77. Which side does it the most is a different debate, and I don't want to get into that as we both would have WAY too many examples.
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    Voltron:

    LOL You mean your side.. the GOP has way too many examples!! You would lose the debate in a heartbeat but I'm too tired tonight. We'll save it for another day but that should be fun!

    LMAO

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  78. Bill Bradley is all over Scotty McClellan about why they went to war.

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  79. Dana Carvey hates Bush. McClellan is out of his league arguing with Bradley.

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  80. The church lady?

    Say it ain't so...

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  81. THE LOGAN ACT;

    § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

    1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).


    BTW stupid READ the act before you spout off, a government official third in LINE of accession to the President is NOT Any citizen but a government official, and BTW try this also moron;


    The Logan Act was intended to prohibit United States citizens without authority
    from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments.

    There appear to have been no prosecutions under the Act in its more than 200 year
    history.
    However, there have been a number of judicial references to the Act, and it is not uncommon for it to be used as a point of challenge concerning dealings with foreign officials. Although attempts have been made to repeal the Act, it remains law and at least a potential sanction to be used against anyone who without authority interferes in the foreign relations of the United States.


    AND this should shut you up because it says your completely wrong as usual;

    Department of State References
    A search of statements issued by the State Department concerning the Logan
    Act from 1975 to the present has found two opinions in the DIGEST OF UNITED
    STATES PRACTICE IN INTERNATIONAL LAW, continued, beginning in 1980, with a
    column in the AMERICAN JOURNAL OF INTERNATIONAL LAW. In these instances the
    Department did not consider the activities in question to be inconsistent with the
    Logan Act. One opinion concerned the questioning of certain activities of Senators
    John Sparkman and George McGovern with respect to the government of Cuba. The
    Department stated:
    The clear intent of this provision [Logan Act] is to prohibit unauthorized
    persons from intervening in disputes between the United States and foreign
    governments. Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict
    members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in
    pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution.
    In the case of
    Senators McGovern and Sparkman the executive branch, although it did not in
    any way encourage the Senators to go to Cuba, was fully informed of the nature
    and purpose of their visit, and had validated their passports for travel to that
    country.


    Both from HERE

    Nice to see you LOVE crow son, you EAT so much.

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  82. Good Night Guys!

    Lydia, enjoy your talk with Rangel in the morning and I'll be listening!

    ;)

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  83. so if ther US state department VALIDATED Nancy Pelosi and the other congressman who went to SYRIA including the four re-pubies they gave their tacit approval for her trip, and probably briefed her before she went(like they did) and debriefed her when she returned (which they did, especial;ly for things she didn't tell the MSM or Idiots like YOU.

    Nice LIE son, but shovel your sH*T some where else a$$hole.

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  84. Clif,

    The State Department IS part of the administration. If THEY (and the president) say it's ok, it is.

    And since constitutionally the administration sets foreign policy, a member of congress can STILL be an unauthorized person.

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  85. wrong son especially since she reinterated the administrations middle east policy idiot, jesus your stupid to a fault son, GFY

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  86. "Nothing in section 953, however, would appear to restrict members of the Congress from engaging in discussions with foreign officials in
    pursuance of their legislative duties under the Constitution
    ."


    If they go BEYOND their legislative duties they ARE breaking the law.

    You MAY be correct on Pelosi legally, but being high profile she DID bring the media spotlight with her, and her clear intent was simply to embarrass the administration as Lantos has suggested in the Syrian press.

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  87. The Republicans who went against the administrations wishes were wrong also in my opinion.
    However not being big names they didn't bring the worldwide attention that Pelosi did.

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  88. Damn son the Adminstration does NOT rule congress, separation of POWERS remember that one numbskull?

    I'm done arguing with a stupid a$$hole determined to spout LIES as facts, GFY son and your three shower a day lie too.

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  89. Larry said...
    Bill Mayer is on.

    Another Bush attack.



    I wish Dana Carvey would have shut up. He kept breaking Bill Bradleys concetration.

    Maher agreed with me that the Imus thing was blown way out of proportion.

    Did you see his closing remarks?

    They were outstanding.

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  90. Sharpton ticked Mayer off when he said " are you going to let me answer any questions."

    The closing New Rules was great.

    Great TV.

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  91. "Damn son the Adminstration does NOT rule congress, separation of POWERS remember that one numbskull?"

    Clif, I admitted you MAY TECHNICALLY be right about Pelosi's trip. (this time)

    But the Administration DOES overrule congress on setting foreign policy, THAT is delegated by the constitution to the Administrative branch ALONE.

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  92. He hit the Bush adminstration right on the head.

    The Bush administration picked unqualified amateurs to run the country, just because they went to Pat Robertsons Messiah College.

    Its incredible.

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  93. Sharpton was full of shit.

    He is full of shit on this one.

    He's the biggest racist up there.

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  94. I think I'll go find something constructive to do, like beat my head against a brick wall...

    Goodnight.

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  95. Damn, we agree again...

    Worf, DON'T make this a habit.

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  96. (on Sharpton, on Sharpton....lol)

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  97. Sharpton is after something for himself, as always.

    Jesse Jackson has been on MSNBC all week complaining about their lack of black hosts.

    He will end up with a show there. His show on CNN ended when his "love" child was revealed.

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  98. All they're doing now is fanning the flames.

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  99. But do not make the mistake so many in TP have made, and assume I am "defending Imus".

    I am not.

    I am defending the TRUTH.

    And the TRUTH is that the media, Al Sharpton, and most of the country, is LYING.

    There are 2 lies here.

    1. That Imus INTENDED to "insult" the girls.

    2. That Imus INTENDED the comment to be a "racial slur".

    The second lie RELIES on the first.

    IF Imus was insulting the team members, then ok, its easy to take the nappyheaded comment and attribute it to racism (although is doesn't address the fact the team was racially DIVERSE).

    But IF, Imus did NOT mean to insult the girls, then the racist intent loses all cohesion.

    Which is why the media pushed the FIRST lie. So everyone would by the second.

    But I have demonstrated clearly and unquestionably that Imus was NOT intending to insult the girls, but to instead compliment their physical prowess. Therefore he could not have also at the same time held the hurtful racist intent everyone is ascribing to him.

    Instead its clear he was trying to sound tough and street, and it came out poorly.

    So once you conclude that he did NOT intend to insult them, and therefore did NOT intend any hurtful racial smears, you are left with a white guy, trying to pay a compliment to a team of female ball players and using the wrong words to do it.

    In other words, he had a brain fart.

    So he apologizes. And he did. The very next day.

    And what do big girls do when someone has a brainfart, makes a mistake and then humbly and publically apologizes?

    Big girls ACCEPT the apology and move on.

    Small girls do not.

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  100. I am not defending Imus.

    I am CONDEMNING this racist witchhunt.

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  101. And all you need to do to understand this mess is LISTEN to the video, and then ask yourself, ONE question.


    That simple question is this.

    If Don Imus was trying to insult the Rutgers team, then why did he say this?

    “I didn’t know if I’d have wanted to beat Rutgers or not…. but they did.”


    Just ask and answer that one simple question.

    What would YOU mean if you said that?

    Have you ever called someone a "tough sonofabitch"?

    Are you telling that person their mother is a female dog in heat?

    Or are you praising that persons toughness?


    Once you can answer these questions, you’ll understand LIE NUMBER 1.

    LIE NUMBER 1 is the one the media sold you first.

    Now you can understand why LIE NUMBER 2 does not work.

    It needs LIE NUMBER 1 to exist.

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  102. And LIE NUMBER 2 was that Imus had racist intent when he said those words.

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  103. Valerie Bertinelli was on Larry king and he asked her about Imus.

    She said if the are going to destroy Imus, why don't they go after Limbaugh, Coulter and O'Reilly.

    She is the first one on TV I have heard saying go after Limbaugh and Coulter.

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  104. If you listen to Bill Maher, you'll see he is adopting a similar position as mine.

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  105. I'm not defending Imus either, in reality I don't care for him much.

    But my concern is more free market.

    IF he is to be fired let it be because of declining listenership or advertising revenue or the OVERT flaunting of a company policy.

    As long as his audience wants him, and advertisers are willing to pay, and he hasn't done anything that puts the company he works for in bad light DIRECTLY (his opinions being strictly his own) , then he needs to stay.

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  106. And I'd say the same thing about any liberal media personality.

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  107. One good that MAY come of this though, is that there are some rumblings now about the lyrics that permeate the recording industry.

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  108. With regards to his firing we're on similar pages, although not identical.

    I think IF they fired him the day after he said this then ok. Its business. Radio stations fire DJ's all the time.

    But to fire him in response to the level of outcry from activists was weak.

    His intent wasn't a slur, so it shouldn't be taken as one.


    He who takes offense where no offense is given, then he gives offense.

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  109. That may be hypocritical of me though, since obviously SOMEBODY buys that crap.

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  110. Voltron said...
    One good that MAY come of this though, is that there are some rumblings now about the lyrics that permeate the recording industry.



    Well as much as I hate rap, I shy from censoring it.

    But some basic decency standards are acceptable.


    Right now though the only thing coming from this is bad.

    Lost of inflamation of racial tensions, and now the Rutgers girls everyone is so concerned about, are getting hate mail from Ius friends!

    Its escalating. At least it was.

    Thank God the girls came out tonight and finally accepted Imus's apology.

    I am glad.

    They should have done that a week ago when he first made it.

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  111. Of course my argument with the recording industry is more about the coarsening of the culture and not political ideology.

    I don't necessarily want them censored either, but a little SELF censorship would be nice.

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  112. Agreed on the girls.

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  113. We're on the same page with the self censorship stuff too.

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  114. And Larry, I think one of the first things I saw was where CNN's first knee jerk reaction was to compare Imus firing with Limbaugh, complete with a big photo of Rush onscreen.

    (caught that on another blog a few days ago, I don't actually watch CNN...lol)

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  115. Now if we could just get you to see that it does not make you good to remain loyal to bad men.

    Bush and his band are not good Americans, they are "greedy" Americans, but not good Americans.

    You see this I think, but its hard to admit, probably mostly to yourself. I've been duped before, and I know its hard to swallow.

    But Bush is a trainwreck.

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  116. Worf, you don't shoot pool do you?

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  117. If you go back and look you'll see when everyone was wanting Limpballs fired I was arguing against it then too.

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  118. Voltron said...
    Worf, you don't shoot pool do you?


    I've been known to play a little 8 ball. Why?

    gonna put some english on something?

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  119. I think as a country we've come too far down the slope. There isn't any such thing anymore as "good men". Some are just worse than others.

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  120. No LOL, I'm just picturing us hanging out having a beer and shooting pool..

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  121. There are still good men Volt.

    You've just been following the bad ones for too long.

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  122. There are no perfect men, but there are good ones.

    How can you tell the good ones from the bad?

    They're the ones who usually make the right decisions the first time.

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  123. Good men are the ones who CARE about the people.

    Good men don't spend more than a entire year out of 7 on vacation when their country is in a perpetual crisis that you created.

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  124. My main problem is that I can stomach a little corruption from someone who at least believes in capitalism. The Dems are WAY to socialist for me, and just as hypocritical as Republicans can be.

    I still believe in the concept of the "rugged individual", and I believe that charity is something that I give of myself freely, not taken from me under threat of jail.

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  125. I'm toast.

    Chow for now.

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  126. Much has been made of that, and I don't think the president ever ACTUALLY gets a vacation.

    In this day and age he's in constant communication no matter where he's at. And I'm sure there are people with him advising him who know whats going on at all times.

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  127. Or admit when they make a BAD mistake, and work to correct it.

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  128. Nite worf, I'm gone also.

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  129. My main problem is that I can stomach a little corruption from someone who at least believes in capitalism. The Dems are WAY to socialist for me, and just as hypocritical as Republicans can be.

    I still believe in the concept of the "rugged individual", and I believe that charity is something that I give of myself freely, not taken from me under threat of jail.


    C'mon, man. A "little" corruption? And in case you hadn't noticed, Chimpy is transferring as much Treasury as he can to his cronies via no-bid contracts. We're getting little or nothing in return. The deck is also stacked in favor of those cronies-it is impossible for the "little guy" to break into most things these days because he/she doesn't have the resources to fight the constant lawsuits and price slashing powers of Wally and the other conglomerates. I hate to burst your bubble, but crony "capitalism" IS a form of socialism-socialism for the rich.

    "Rugged individual?" Your hero has had someone else wiping his ass his whole life, through failure after failure. HE's about as far from a self-sufficient individual as anyone I've ever seen. He's Paris Hilton without the nose job.

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  130. And I'm sure there are people with him advising him who know whats going on at all times.



    Yesh, New Orleans was all the proof we needed of that. In case the memo he ignored back in 2001 wasn't proof enough.

    You're making arguments that a child could refute with available data. This isn't partisanship, it's religion.

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  131. Suzie-Q said...

    I do however listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham
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    Volt:

    Why do you listen to those brainwashing fools? You can find the real truth on the blogs such as this one.. and use your own brain!


    Doltron said...

    SusieQ,

    Ego I suppose. I enjoy hearing someone who feels the same way I do.


    Jolly Roger said...

    This isn't partisanship, it's religion.

    More than that Jolly Roger;

    Suzie Q said;...and use your own brain!

    Dolty Boy said: ... I enjoy hearing someone who feels the same way I do.

    Translation:

    I want my prejudices reinforced...I don't wanna think.

    QED

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  132. Another day,

    Another day the surge is failing;

    Market, bridge bombings kill dozens in Iraq


    Bombings in Baghdad and Karbala killed at least 56 people and wounded 78 more Saturday morning, police and medical officials said.

    A car bomb blast in a crowded shopping area of central Karbala, a holy Shiite city about 70 miles southwest of Baghdad, killed at least 43 people and wounded 55, according to an official at Hussein Hospital in Karbala.

    The explosion was near a bus station and just 200 yards from the Imam Hussein Holy shrine.

    Video of the scene broadcast on Iraqi television showed hundreds of people crowded around the bomb site as emergency workers placed victims in ambulances.

    A short time later, a car bomb exploded on the Jadriya bridge, which spans the Tigris River in southern Baghdad, killing at least 10 people and wounding 15 others, Iraqi police said. It was not immediately clear how badly the bridge was damaged.

    The Jadriya bridge attack came just two days after a suicide car bomb detonated on the Sarafiya bridge, which crosses the Tigris in northern Baghdad, also killing 10 people. Two large sections of the bridge collapsed into the river.

    There are 11 major bridges spanning the Tigris River in Baghdad.

    ********************************

    Nine to go.........

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  133. And as if they didn't have enuf problems in Iraq already;

    Another War in Iraq?

    The Bush administration finds itself in a difficult position as tensions between two regional allies threaten to escalate to war. The Turkish military is fed up with Kurdish rebels it says have safe harbor in northern Iraq, and now wants to mount an assault across the border. One of Iraq’s Kurdish leaders has said such an attack would trigger retaliation.

    Damn they attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, threaten Iran and now a NATO ally is threatening to destabilize the Kurdish region, which is the only semi-stable region in Iraq, and the US has to stand by it's NATO partner because of the NATO treaty.

    Interesting, Does Bush support the Kurds, he NEEDS to attack Iran, or does he honor the NATO treaty, and back Turkey?

    No wonder he wants a "war Czar" about now.

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  134. Voltron said...
    "antediluvial"?

    Before the flood? I thought you guys believed in evolution, not that silly bible stuff...


    I bet you had to look it up, Widdle Twucker.

    I bet you even missed the poetic license of turning your own ignorant belief system back on you.

    More to the point, I bet you missed reading definition #2!

    antediluvian, antediluvial
    - pertaining to period before the Flood; old-fashioned; out-of- date.


    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Poor Widdle Twuck-ker, Can't wead a dic-tion-ary, la la la la la la!

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  135. Voltron said...
    SusieQ,

    Ego I suppose. I enjoy hearing someone who is as stupid as I am. I don't like to be intellectually challenged


    Fixed yer post, Nappy Headed HoHo...

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  136. Lydia,

    The Bush strategy is very clear on the emails, as it is on the AG scandal: run out the clock, then claim the papers are historical documents and should not be given over to the government.

    This ought to last until year three of the Clinton administration, when John Roberts finally has to rule on a point of Constitutional law without his overseers whispering in his ear...

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  137. Voltron said...
    I do however listen to Rush, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham and have never heard any one of those advocating for someones death. (or serious harm even)


    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Beating and killing Iraqi detainees, according to Limbaugh, is good fun. "I'm talking about people having a good time, these people [CIA agents and MPs at Abu Ghraib], you ever heard of emotional release? You heard of need to blow some steam off?" Limbaugh asked a caller. "This is no different than what happens at the Skull and Bones initiation and we're going to ruin people's lives over it and we're going to hamper our military effort, and then we are going to really hammer them because they had a good time."

    He sure is a pro-death advocate there, Nappy Headed HoHo!

    And I notice how selectively you chose your list. Perhaps the only TWO commentators who have never asked that someone be killed or hurt, but that does NOT mean that they are not hate-filled spite-ridden bile-juiced right wing morons.

    Like you, NappyHeaded HoHo!

    And, oh! By the way, I'm not seeing where she's my girl Randi is advocating the assassination of Bush in this clip...

    "The announcer said: "A spoiled child is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of four gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little bastard. [audio of gun being cocked].""

    Now, who is the "spoiled little child"?

    Are you telling us you believe Bush is a spoiled little child, NappyHeadedHoHo?

    What's the matter Widdle Twucker? Starting to see the liberal point of view?

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

    Stop digesting right wing talking points, son, and start thinking for yourself. Take your widdle twuck out of the gawage and give yourself a nice lonnnnng vacation in one of those "nervous hospitals" you rednecks are all about.

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  138. Voltron said...
    Much has been made of that, and I don't think the president ever ACTUALLY gets a vacation.


    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    "Now watch this drive...."

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  139. Jesus Christ, Widdle Twucker, I've run across some neanderthalic numbskulls in my nearing twenty years on the Internets, but I have never, NEVER, come across one as stoopid as you.

    Except maybe Freedom Fawn, but at least he has the decency to stay away now.

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  140. Whoops! Hannity did have a pro-death bend. Turns out, he had it weekly, too!

    HANNITY: And finally, tonight, the "Enemy of the State." This week, actor, activist, and all-around very angry man Sean Penn takes the honors. Now, besides calling little old me a "whore" at a recent speech, Penn has called for the impeachment of just about everybody in the Bush administration and called them "bastards." Now, Penn can say whatever he wants. And we invite him on this program to sit in the hot seat and defend his outlandish comments. But the real question is: Who does this guy speak for? Who does he represent, other than other bad actors? So, Sean Penn, you are this week's "Enemy of the State."

    "Enemey of the state" was the phrase Roman Caesars used to justify executing their political enemies.

    Oh? Hannity didn't know that?

    Hannity doesn't know a lot, Widdle Twucker. Neither do you!

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  141. Oh, and I *knew* I could dig up one on Laura Ingraham, where she wants David Gregory to risk his life....

    INGRAHAM: David -- David, to do a show from Iraq means to talk to the Iraqi military. To go out with they Iraqi military to actually have a conversation with the people, instead of reporting from hotel balconies about the latest IEDs going off. It is very difficult in Iraq.

    Why?

    She didn't do that. Her visit to Iraq was embedded with troops that were miles from any conflicted areas!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Trumped you, Widdle Twucker. ALL of your examples have advocated death or injury to at least one person!

    And that's just during the Bush administration. Don't make me trot out stuff from the Clinton years!

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  142. What a beautiful moment. The head troll has decided to try and divide the leader of the good bloggers, by praising his views and dreaming about the two of them "drinking beer and playing pool."

    Our leader isn't that desperate and certainly he isn't that gullible.

    What a pathetic triad of trollology.

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  143. Karl Rove says he thought the emails were being saved.

    Guess he thought the delete button his fat finger laid on for four years was saving them.

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  144. Wolfowitz's mistress says she was "victimized" and didn't want the lavish promotion with triple the salary.

    The mistress says she was forced to take that job and she just wants to return to her meager job at the world bank.

    Wolfy is such a horrible person. He forces his mistress to take a plush job at triple the pay.

    That is horrible!

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  145. Paul Wolfowitz was booed in a meeting with the World Bank staff and there are calls for him to resign.

    Wolfowitz personally chose the pay increase of $80,000 per year for his mistress.

    Poor Wolfy. Getting booed for giving his mistress a raise of $80,000 a year.

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  146. Paul Wolfowitz says the only reason people hate him is because of his previous job in the Bush administration.

    Can't blame people for that!

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  147. "Our leader isn't that desperate and certainly he isn't that gullible.

    LMAO!, I love it.
    Thanks Larry.

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  148. Oh and don't worry too much about that. Just because we agree on one or two issues doesn't mean I'm trying to steal him from you or anything.

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  149. Good Morning Lydia!

    I’m looking forward to your program this morning!!

    http://suzieqq.wordpress.com/

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  150. Well Clif and Carl seem to be good at translation, let me give it a try...

    "What a beautiful moment. The head troll has decided to try and divide the leader of the good bloggers, by praising his views and dreaming about the two of them "drinking beer and playing pool.""

    Translation:

    I'm an leftist elite and anyone with a different opinion than mine is scum and sub-human. I hate them. I wish to continue hating will not recognize any common ground.

    "Our leader isn't that desperate and certainly he isn't that gullible."

    Translation:

    We need someone to formulate our thoughts for us, please don't corrupt him.

    Well, how'd I do?

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  151. Voltron said...
    Well, how'd I do?


    As usual, subhuman, Nappy Headed HoHo...

    Interesting you don't rebut a well-constructed demolition of your pathetically inept antediluvian construct of what society should be, Widdle Twucker.

    What's the matter? Too upset? Someone steal your "lawn nigger"?

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  152. Larry said...
    What a beautiful moment. The head troll has decided to try and divide the leader of the good bloggers, by praising his views and dreaming about the two of them "drinking beer and playing pool."

    Our leader isn't that desperate and certainly he isn't that gullible.


    I'd hardly call iWorf our leader. Since we have a collective consensus view and we disagree on many things, openly...don't have to march in lockstep like Der Fuhrer's Master Racists...I look at iWorf as more of a facilitator of this exchange.

    Still an important job, which makes him a first among equals.

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  153. Larry said...
    Poor Wolfy. Getting booed for giving his mistress a raise of $80,000 a year.


    What's that work out to, $40,000 a boner?

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  154. Kicked Widdle Twucker's ass again?

    Check!

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  155. Gee, it's gotta be tough Larry when Carl has to cover for you...

    BTW Carl, nice invective.

    I suppose libs can use that word though since they treat blacks like little kids that need special programs and treatment.

    As to the rest of it Carl, you have a hard time comprehending a simple sentence, so it's really no surprise that somehow you think you've "kicked" somebodies ass.

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  156. Hey did I miss it?

    Did I miss the show?

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  157. Carl said...

    Still an important job, which makes him a first among equals


    I've been here a while tis true, but so have others. Lydia's the leader, I'm just another foot soldier in the war for truth.

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  158. Voltron said...

    And I'm sure there are people with him advising him who know whats going on at all times.


    Yea, advising him on important things like

    "why no Mr President, I don't think we don't have Annaconda's in Crawford.......,

    I think thats buried electrical cable,..... maybe you'd better back the bucket out slowly sir...."


    :|

    Good advice like that you mean?

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  159. Or maybe helpful advice like;


    sir we asked you not to use any more blasting caps to drive the woodchucks out, ....just hang tight....., we'll send a feedback loop underground using our communications equipment and that should drive them towards you......., sir....

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  160. no sir......those aren't big chipmunks,..... and everytime you try to pet one we spend a week pulling quills out of your bodymans ass

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  161. :|


    That last one assumes of course that any of his agents would be willing to take a quill for him.

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  162. I can't say enough good things about the show today Lydia.

    It was absolutely first rate.

    I couldn't believe you got that question into Charles Rangle, where he told you that gripping story about how his platoon was surrounded by the Chinese, and describing how he felt when he saw the "officers being choppered out".

    It was gripping and award winning radio there. It was a gripping story he told, and it was your question that brought it out.

    Fantastic show!

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  163. I did think Doug kinda cut him off at the end of it there, but I guess he was pressed for time.

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  164. Lydia:

    Great show! ;)

    I like Rangel..

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  165. Hi Carl, Worf, Clif, Larry, Mike, Volt..

    I'll bbl..

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  166. Thanks Worf! Thanks Suzie!

    Hey Carl, we didn't discuss the Imus issue with Rangel because we talked so much about it in first half-hour, and I actually had tons of questions I didn't get to ask, but we did go an extra 30 minutes which you can hear in the archives, which wasn't broadcast live.

    I also asked him about his Draft resolution idea in the second half hour, which is in the archives.

    Thanks for listening!

    We are having John Kerry on in 2 weeks, unless there is a conflict.

    xo

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  167. Jolly Roger - great comeback to volt, about crony-communism.

    How true.

    If the regular citizen could actually indulge in rugged individualism, I'm all for it. We try but we are stymied by corporate culture, which is absolutely its own form of communism/socialism.

    The middle class is disappearing.

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  168. Poor poor dolty boy, got HANDED his as yesterday because he tried to LIE about Nancy Pelosi's trip to Syria carrying the water Rush the admitted lying drug addiccted Gas bag does, and when he got show up for the FOOLE he is, he tries to LIE again and state we have to goose step HERE like HE admitted he does......

    What's the matta dolty widdle tonka truck got a flat, gay-dalf don't wanna play with the widdle dollies any more?

    Sucks to be a lying hack still slinging the reichwingnut crap even now eh dolty?

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  169. Voltron said...
    Gee, it's gotta be tough Larry when Carl has to cover for you...

    BTW Carl, nice invective.


    awwwwww, Widdle Twucker went and bought hisself a dicktionary!

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  170. Voltron said...
    I suppose libs can use that word though since they treat blacks like little kids that need special programs and treatment.


    Really?

    Cuz I was quoting one of your old posts...that's why there were "quotation marks". "See?" "Quotation marks" "mean" "you're" "saying" "what" someone" "else" "has" "said"!

    I can Google too! :-)

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  171. Madam Q!

    Y'know, I used to eat a Hostess snack called Suzy Qs...very fond memories...out of respect to Lydia's blog, I won't get into details. ;-)

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  172. Roger,

    Widdle Twucker is stoopid enough to believe Bush and his economic royalists are good for him. You'll never persuade him otherwise, until the shit hits the fan and then suddenly, when he's bankrupt and his Tonka Trucks are repossessed, only then will he realize what an absolute arrogant asshole he has been...

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  173. Oh, iWorf, I replied to you on the last thread about Imus.

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  174. I once got thrown out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie.

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  175. Hello temptress
    ---------------

    Hi there Worf! You're a sweet talker, aren't ya? ;)

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  176. We are having John Kerry on in 2 weeks, unless there is a conflict.
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    Cool Lydia! ;)

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  177. Well all your icons are these pictures of these really sexy girls.

    So you're kind of a temptress.

    For all I know you're a middle aged bearded asian man.

    :D

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  178. Best Freeway Blog ever....
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    LOL Clif!

    I love it!! ;D

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  179. Madam Q!

    Y'know, I used to eat a Hostess snack called Suzy Qs...very fond memories...out of respect to Lydia's blog, I won't get into details. ;-)
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    Carl:

    You bad! LOLMAO

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  180. I once got thrown out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie.
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    Worf:

    I believe you! You're bad too! LMAO

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  181. I WORFEUS said...
    I once got thrown out of the cub scouts for eating a brownie.


    baDUMching!

    Only one? I ate a whole troop.

    I mean, tray.

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  182. So you're kind of a temptress.

    For all I know you're a middle aged bearded asian man.
    -------------

    Worf:

    ROFLMAO

    No, not even close! LMAO

    I am a female and blonde! That's all I'm telling ya because you'll be hitting on me! LOL

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  183. All this talk of eating brownies is very funny ... since Volt is capturing the comments I can't say what I want to say, dadgummit.

    I am writing a funny story about my ENTOURAGE audition with Tracy Scoggins.

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  184. Worf, do you remember Tracy Scoggins? I know Carl does...
    xo

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  185. Suzie-Q said...

    I am a female and blonde! That's all I'm telling ya because you'll be hitting on me! LOL




    And the down side of that is.....

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  186. And the down side of that is.....
    ----------------

    Worf:

    So many men and so little time to blog!

    Just kidding!

    LOLMAO

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  187. Lydia:

    I think I remember her! Superman wasn't it?

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  188. Dedicated to Dolty Boy

    Cause we all know how much ya love 'im

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  189. I expect Fitz will be going after Rove soon!

    One more orange jumpsuit please!

    LOL

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  190. "Cuz I was quoting one of your old posts..."

    Well lets see it then Carl, because I sure as hell don't remember using that phrase ever.

    Either post the whole comment or a link or just admit your a liar.

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  191. And Lydia, I have no idea what you mean by "capturing the comments", but between the paranoia and the slander I'm losing quite a bit of respect for you.

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  192. I have been making an attempt to be civil, but for all the love and peace crap this is one of the more hateful blogs I've seen.

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  193. Voltron said...
    And Lydia, I have no idea what you mean by "capturing the comments", but between the paranoia and the slander I'm losing quite a bit of respect for you.


    Says Ann Coulter's buttboy...

    Your skin's getting a widdle thin, there, Widdle Twucker. My advice to you is to take a week off from blogging.

    Go do whatever it is you do to relax...crystal meth, is it? I can never remember the drug of choice of racist rednecks....

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  194. Lydia Cornell said...
    All this talk of eating brownies is very funny ... since Volt is capturing the comments I can't say what I want to say, dadgummit.


    You have our emails, dear.

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