Friday, March 25, 2016

THE MYSTERY OF INNOCENCE

Other titles for this post: ~ HOW TO BE A VIRGIN AGAIN 

"Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force; that thoughts rule the world." – Ralph Waldo Emerson


I really want to be a virgin again in more ways than one. In this age, we’ve seen too much, done too much, been too naked. Mortal life is getting too extreme. There’s too much hard-core violence and porn in the airwaves. But is it possible to become innocent again? Can we put the Genie back in the bottle? 

There is nothing in the physical world left to want, do or imagine. I don’t want one more luxury gadget to make my life easier except maybe the newest iphone or a flying car. Okay, and maybe a Jet-pack like the Jetsons had. Actually nothing in the material world impresses me anymore. Except seeing, actually seeing The Force, which some call "God" but which I often call Love. Imagine if love were a tangible force. What would it look like?

I was thinking about the tragedy and the terrorist bombings ~  Brussels, Paris, Boston, San Bernardino, 9/11, Oklahoma bombings, as well as Hurricane Katrina and the Indonesian tsunami – and of how many bodies have rotted and evaporated, and how quickly human life is snuffed out. It proves to me what I’ve always known: that this mortal life is but a dream, and man is not made of matter. Flesh  has no essence in and of itself, no matter how real the illusion seems. 


As a culture we put so much emphasis on the body: on the cellular substance of a fetus, the death and burial of a corpse, the saving of an unconscious sack of flesh that contains no life force or spirit, as in the case of Terry Schiavo, who was brain dead, but not allowed to be taken off life support. This case became a political circus. We are focused so exclusively on the letter, not the spirit; the style, not the substance; the right hat, not the heart; the ritual, not the meaning... and the flesh, which can be wiped out so easily — that it must make me wonder: is flesh man’s most important quality?

At the risk of sounding like a crackpot, I have to say here that I no longer believe in the physical universe as being primary. The invisible harmony is what's real. In other words, the things I know are valuable and real are the things I can’t see with my eyes – the invisible qualities of love, truth, wisdom, soul, principle, thought, harmony, wisdom, compassion, beauty, strength and character – things that cannot be physically touched or scientifically proven. Man is spiritual; we are linked to the Divine and to each other by the invisible fabric of love.

As Emerson said: "this is a spiritual universe and thoughts rule the world."

Imagine if the human pageant were just a tapestry — and God sees the complete, beautiful picture on the finished side — but from our vantage point beneath, we only see dangling threads that keep disappearing as they are woven in and out. As people pass on, certain threads disappear because they are part of a grand stitch that completes a beautiful landscape or picture on the other side. We can’t see the whole picture. We don't know the reason for death and suffering; we don't know what's on the other side, but I'm sure there are many mansions and colors -- and the weave creates a majestic tapestry.

One of my favorite books is MANS SEARCH FOR MEANING by Viktor Frankl, who overcame concentration camp torture through the power of his mind. This is a universe of thought. Thought is energy and it is swift.

Here's the Catch 22: what you think about all day long, is what you become; what you focus on grows. So if you're thinking about how bad the world is, or how much you lack, you will get more of the same. Or as I wrote in the comedy film "Venus Conspiracy", "You can be attractive even if you're not good looking, because if you radiate love, you attract people." I know it's a silly line, but it is true. Beyond "The Secret" the best metaphysical writers who really know the truth are Eckhart Tolle, Mary Baker Eddy, Emmet Fox, Depak Chopra, Neal Donald Walsch.. actually there are many. 

Whatsoever things are good, pure, beautiful — if we think on these things we will bring these into our life in proportion to our thoughts. Our thoughts create our reality, and as Shakespeare said, "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

I have the profound sense that we are doing the right thing everyday when we are loving to others, especially those who offend us and disturb us, and especially those less fortunate. Have you seen someone's face light up with just one kind word?

My sister went through open-heart surgery to replace a valve a few months after our brother’s death. Through the past few years, with the help of a pacemaker, she has gradually improved her heartbeat as she has became more spiritually attuned.

In December she started writing songs again. She wrote a song that was so beautiful, it had to come from the Source of love; it was pure inspiration. Her heart suddenly went into "sinus" or normal rhythm. The connection was clear.

When the troubles with her downstairs neighbor began to escalate, my sister developed debilitating pain in her feet, a form of arthritis. She could hardly walk. She was told not to hike anymore with her dog.

I believe her feet hurt because she was walking on eggshells. She was angry and hurt and unable to live freely in her own apartment because the downstairs neighbor kept harrrassing her about the noise upstairs with her dog.

The neighbor also harassed her because she was gay. This woman seemed completely malicious at times. What was more astounding was that she actually received mail from Trinity Broadcasting Network, the Christian evangelical station! We saw it in the mailbox. My sister tried to talk to her, but she refused. My sister tried to move, but couldn't find an apartment that took dogs and would double as a music studio.

She had to to work on this spiritually – seeing her neighbor through God’s eyes, as a child of love. She had to send love to her neighbor. This took a while, but she continued to return love for hate. Everytime the woman would rave and rant, or pound on the ceiling with a broom when my sister played music she was composing (in the daytime!) my sister would refrain from screaming back.

The situation turned around. My sister persisted in seeing the woman as a good person, and the woman became willing to talk. Now they actually wave to each other. This is nothing short of a miracle considering my sister was actually in fear of a hate crime at one point. She also thought her dog was going to be poisoned.

The Death of Adrienne Shelly: Neighbor vs. Neighbor

A few years ago, I was reading the list of Sundance films purchased for sale and was shocked to see that Adrienne Shelly, one of my favorite indie actress-turned-filmmakers, who directed "Waitress" had been murdered. She was murdered by a downstairs neighbor for complaining constantly about the noise he made. He finally marched upstairs and killed her. This was devastating, surreal.

I then thought of my sister and was grateful she had learned the spiritual lesson of getting along with her neighbor.

How to Solve Every Problem in Life ~ the Problem of Living in a Material World

So what is the code? Is there a formula one can plug in here for all problems in life? Yes.

What I've discovered is that the solution to any material problem is never at the level of the problem. As Einstein said: "No problem can be solved at the same level it was created on." You have to go to higher, smarter solution. You have to go to a diplomatic or spiritual solution. Problems are solved in the "gap" -- the space between. It always happens when you let go, or look away from the problem or get momentarily distracted. That's when you find your earring, or get the phone call. It's by “letting go."

No human power could relieve my alcoholism. It was not healed by dissecting the brain.

No military power can solve terrorism. We can’t fight fire with fire; we need to go above the problem and approach it from a different angle.

This hot-bead of hatred is something we actually started when we dropped bombs on Fallujah and invaded Iraq.  We fomented this hatred agains America years earlier when we got into bed with the Saudis and their oil oligarchy. 

But hating ones' enemies never resolves anything, as the Great Peacemaker said. 

All great spiritual leaders know that you must "keep your friends close, but your enemies closer." And "a soft answer turns away wrath." Withdraw our energy from the situation and the situation will solve itself. We must withdraw and take care of our own side of the street.

PROJECTION: LIVING IN THE WRECK OF OUR FUTURE ~ LETTING GO ~ MAN'S SEARCH FOR MEANING 

On the Subject of Bigotry, Racism and Homophobia:


The more one pushes something down, the more it rears its ugly head in inappropriate places; perversions appear. This explains why celibacy in priests acts like a pressure cooker, often resulting in crimes of molestation. Celibacy is unnatural; too much pent up desire perverts itself. Like Pandora’s box, whatever is taboo becomes irresistibly tempting. People will sneak out of their cages to experience the forbidden.

So the Puritan, guilt-ridden over his own uncontrollable urges, cannot live with himself. Unable to cut out his own lustful thoughts, he looks outside himself for someone to blame and project his guilt onto. The easiest way to ameliorate his shame is to broadcast the evil, project it onto others where he can externalize it, see it as separate from himself – and lash at it with swords. This way he can feel morally superior. It's a quick fix. He investigates it, dwells on its dark side, inflates its evil effects until evil is all he sees. He makes the gay person into an object of disgust.

The only mystery left is innocence. 

931 comments:

  1. Great article Lydia and couldn't have read anything more profound, if it had came from the Power of Intention itself.

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  2. Thank you Larry.
    A nice surprise me, God!

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  3. What Power your Sister has shown to turn things around. Very impressive. Patient Love. I'm fond of saying to People that Jesus was a Liberal.

    I'm glad I got here before the hundreds of other comments. Lil Joe and I joined with some friends down in DC to Bring the Troops Home. Report and Pics at my wee blog.

    Peace.

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  4. Lydia said "I was thinking about the tragedy of the hurricane and the tsunami – and how many bodies have rotted and evaporated – how quickly human life is snuffed out. It proves to me what I’ve always known: that this mortal life is but a dream, and man is not made of matter. Rotting flesh has no essence in and of itself, no matter how real the illusion seems. Man is spiritual; we are linked to the Divine and to each other by the invisible fabric of love."


    Excellent article Lydia, there are several parts I plan to comment on throughout the day.

    But first you are absolutely right how short and how precious life can be, also the vast majority of both spiritual people and religions from prehistoric times to the present have had a belief that our physical bodies are distinct and seperate from our spiritual sides or souls, although in life our spiritual self resides in our physical body, The Ancient Egyptians believed this, they also believed that after death the two seperate with the physical death occuring first, with the spiritual energy moving on to another plane of existence in most cases.

    Like Worf says I dont pretend to have the answers, but this certainly seems a plausible scenario.

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  5. If you think about it, what Lydia's article is talking about is also what being a Liberal really is.

    Bringing peace by showing positive acts instead of all the hate.

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  6. Well written article Lydia. Concise, clear and to the point.

    I liked it.

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  7. Lydia said "My sister went through open-heart surgery to replace a valve a few months after our brother’s death. Through the past few years, with the help of a pacemaker, she has gradually improved her heartbeat as she has became more spiritually attuned.

    In December she started writing songs again. She wrote a song that was so beautiful, it had to come from the Source of love; it was pure inspiration. Her heart suddenly went into "sinus" or normal rhythm. The connection was clear.

    When the troubles with her downstairs neighbor began to escalate, my sister developed debilitating pain in her feet, a form of arthritis. She could hardly walk. She was told not to hike anymore with her dog.

    I believe her feet hurt because she was walking on eggshells. She was angry and hurt and unable to live freely in her own apartment because the downstairs neighbor kept harrrassing her about the noise upstairs with her dog."


    Both statements make sense, I have read numerous times that sickness or near death experiences can make us more spiritually attuned, and just before my motorcycle accident last summer I did experience an amazing spiritual phenomena that I feel was possibly god watching over me, instead of feeling it was a day of evil misfortune where I almost died, I prefer to see it as amazingly fortunate, Life is so precious and my life could have either been snuffed out right there or I could have been paralized or crippled for life, fortunately neither was the case.

    Also about your sister's feet hurting, I have read in several articles that stress and various negative emotions are tied to various ailments and specific localizations of pain, I remember reading that financial worries are correlated with lower back pain and from times in my life when I have had financial difficulties I have on occassion noticed this correlation, i'll see if i can find what type of stress correlates to pain in the feet if I can.

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  8. Larry said "If you think about it, what Lydia's article is talking about is also what being a Liberal really is.

    Bringing peace by showing positive acts instead of all the hate."

    I agree Larry, BTW excellent article on Kay's blog about Gates, it summarizes my feelings completely, I ininitially tried to give Gates the benefit of the doubt, but after his Nazi talk of calling those that oppose Bush's nonplan "EMBOLDENER"S og the enemy and his support of the surge he lost me for good, he;s just another repug shill trying to buy time for Bush and smear the democrats.

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  9. I was watching Meet The Press and the other various Sunday morning shows and after listening to the usual repug rhetoric like anyone who opposes Bush's plan should have a plan of their own, when the utter ridiculousness of this statement hit me.

    How is merely throwing more troops into the meat grinder of an Iraqi civil war any more a plan than withdrawing troops, its not, its a tactic is all it is it has no long term plan, no strategy and no reasoned correlation to the desired outcome its just more of the same, it fails to outline how that specific amount of additional troops will help address the unrest and civil war, fails to give a timeframe for success or failure, and fails to give a coherent plan for what should happen if conditions worsen or if the Irai's will view this as a hostile occupation and ramp up the violence.

    As usual there appears to be no plan just more of the same death and rhetoric, and instead of the Administration articulating a plan they merely smear there opponents as "emboldening" the enemy, when I think they lack the intelligence to even know who the enemy is, is it the Sunni's, the Shite's etc.......or is it just the unseen islamofascists Bush claims are always maniacally plotting to kill us 24/7?????????

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  10. Again to summarize the next time one of the repugs say we need a plan in order to oppose Bush;s plan to send more troops, I'd like to hear one of the talking heads say:

    Sending more troops is no more a "plan" that withdrawing troops, surely you can do better than that or Karl Rove's Nazi talk that we are "EMBOLDENING" the "enemy" by opposing Bush's plan. He may as well grow a set and just come out and say he opposes freedom of speech and feels it is treason to publicly disagree with the Dictator in Chief!

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  11. The army alone has 50 investigations of fraud over all the money flowing into Iraq.

    Do they expect us to believe that they will find anything on Haliburton?

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  12. One thing on "Meet The Press" I did find somewhat disturbing though was when, Russert asked Schumer why be voted to confirm General Petraeus when he opposes the surge and Schumer just shrugged him off and said thats on Bush or something to that effect.

    That leads me to believe that he and many like him may be approaching this politically instead of doing that which is right, they are taking the easy path that is best for themselves instead of the tougher path that is in our countries best interests.

    From his answer it sure looked like he just wants to sit Back and let Bush hang himself and watch the repug party self destruct whiles he says told ya. If the democrats dont support the surge then they should not have voted to confirm a general who put that forth as his plan.

    It seems to me Bush fires all the generals who oppose what he wants to happen and then he found a shill willing to be his puppet (Petraeus) and the dems oppose the strategy but confirm the guy, i'm still gonna give them the benefit of the doubt but that looks like them voting for the war all over again with a few non binding resolutions and rebukes in there to cover their ass's.

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  13. Petraeus has been on this mess from the beginning, only in a different capacity.

    Pushing more worthless idealogues off won't help the Democrats politically.

    They need to stop this disaster.

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  14. Lydia said "No military power can solve this conflict in Iraq. We can’t fight fire with fire; we need to go above the problem and approach it from a diplomatic or spiritual solution. "

    I agree completely that US military power can not resolve this conflict, and that we do need to approach it diplomatically/spiritually, however I would like to add that in order to do that we need to understand the problem andprovide a detailed and coherent strategy to achieve the desired outcome.

    Bush and the Neo Cons have clearly proven that either they have absolutely no understanding of the situation in Iraq or they are out to mislead the American people as to what that situation is or some combination of both.

    This war is NOT us fighting the evil terrorists, it is a civil war with Sunni and Shia militia's fighting for power with us in the middle and despised and hated by all.

    As for solutions Bush and his pack of Neo Con fools have offered none, no solutions, no plan, no goals, no method of assessing his or the OIrai's performance or competence, just more troops and bombs more of the same.

    Sending more troops is no more a plan than withdrawing troops and its about time one of the talking heads call this empty rhetoric what it is and point that out.

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  15. I agree Larry but the only way to do that is to impeach Bush and Cheney and that is going to be a long strategic process that likely wouldnt happen till 2008 during the election campaign cycle. and that is the repugs hope, they are hoping the Democrats will let it slide because they wont want an impeachment during the run up to the election because it will look vindictive and be a distraction to both passing good legislation to help our country and to those involved in the 2008 election.

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  16. CNN will have a report in 20 minutes about a battle in Najaf where "supposedly" 250 gunmen were killed.

    I wonder if that count is as accurate as the U.S military death toll that they claim is under 3200?

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  17. Two more U.S soldiers killed today in Iraq.

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  18. Hmmmm.... where have I seen that Emerson quote before? ;-)

    Lydia, this is really great writing, and you truly have illuminated my thoughts as well as yours. A couple of quotes come to mind:

    "Blessed are peace makers, for they shall be called the children of God." You know who said that. The second is from Homer's Iliad. It validates what you said about how we internalize that to which we expose ourselves. "We are the stories we tell ourselves." It is my favorite quote.

    Thank you! :-) My best wishes to your sister.

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  19. PS - If you want to see the face of God, have you considered looking in the mirror?

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  20. If not the face, then at least the Heart of God.

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  21. I just read the article again, and it is an excellent, well written article that I am in complete agreement with, however I just want to say in Bush's case I really dont think winning the war was ever an objective.

    I think his objectives were to use the war and fear of terrorism to seize power domestically just as Hitler did and to ensure American world dominance both militarily and economically by gaining a foothold in the Middle East by installing puppet governments in Iran and iraq that cowtow to American interests and to open up the oil development to American companies so they can makes billions and even trillions developing their oil and gas reserves.

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  22. Tomcat, I was reading your profile, and it seems you were quite familiar with Vietnam, would you compare this war more to Vietnam or to Hitlers agression in WW2.

    I was too young to really remember much about Vietnam but I feel that although it is a quagmire like Vietnam and although this war is somwhat coldwar like only now its us against muslims instead of communists, I think its more about seizing power and furthering American interests than Vietnam was.

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  23. Human, thank you. I checked out the great pictures on your blog. I wish the news would cover this extensively. I liked the nice couple you photographed, whom I definitely trust more than George and Laura.

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  24. TomCat, you have no idea how much your words mean to me.

    Mike, you are an amazing spirit and what you went through with your accident seems to have deepened you.

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  25. I'm going to claim a little credit for your piece with my comment to TomCat last night :-D

    But beautifully written, Lydia. A very powerful piece.

    The power of emotion, of intention, as you pointed out in the snowflake piece earlier this month, is undeniable: subtle, but undeniable.

    Hate and anger have their roots in fear. That which we fear, we hate, because fear brings us to places inside ourselves to confront those things we dare not look at closely.

    We assuage these fears with alcohol, with material things, and yes, often with religion. In moderation, none of these things is bad. In excess, they all are.

    We've stopped being human "beings". We define ourselves by what we have, or have not. We've allowed ourselves to be defined by the external: by friends, by relatives, by downstairs neighbors who hate us for what they perceive we are.

    Many years ago, after going thru enormous amounts of therapy, I gave up defining myself by others, and found a new well of emotion. I also found the ability to laugh at myself and to laugh at others for not being able to laugh at themselves (like MooMoo ;-) )

    I still have work to do (like you, Lydia, I *need* that iPhone!), but I take comfort in knowing I'm on my own road, and not following a pack who don't know a better way.

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  26. TomCat said...
    PS - If you want to see the face of God, have you considered looking in the mirror?


    I'm wayyyy to modest to admit that ;-)

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  27. By the way, Lydia?

    A good test of your philosophy is when your children stay out all night....

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  29. Hi Mike. That's an interesting question. In Vietnam, the primary motivator for initial involvement was our desire to maintain solidarity with our ally, France. So we financed their war until 1954. Ho had originally tried to ally with the US, because of his relationship with the OSS during WWII, but when we abrogated our agreement with him to support an independent Vietnam, he turned to the Soviets and Red Chinese for support. When the French withdrew, the US was motivated by the fear of communism to install a dictator (Diem) and prevent the free elections promised in the Geneva Accords. At that time, the military industrial complex, about which Eisenhower warned us, was seeing Vietnam as a road to power (military) and profit (industrial).

    Congress was duped into supporting the war in Vietnam by false claims about the Gulf of Tonkin incident, like it was in Iraq over false claims about WMD and connections with Al Qaeda. In both Vietnam and Iraq and our leaders failed to recognize that guerrilla forces are almost impossible to crush if they have the support of the people. In both the US installed puppets (Diem and Chalabi) who were not competent to hold power and had less control over the regimes that replaced them. So there are many parallels there.

    However, Hitler wanted Germany to become the dominant world power and insure access to raw materials through military conquest, and he used the war as a cover for human rights abuses. This directly parallels Bush in Iraq. If you're not already familiar (which you probably are) check out the AEI's New American Century. Also, Iraq was intended to be a permanent occupation. Why else would Bush build an embassy complex the size of the Vatican City.

    So, I guess I don't have a cut and dried answer for you. There are elements of both. Bush's war embodies both the incompetence and public deception of Vietnam with the Machiavellian megalomania of Hitler's aggression.

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  30. Gee, Lydia {blush}. I just call them like I see them. I love your blog, even if it does think it's a chat room. ;-)

    Carl, when I said that, I meant that good-hearted people who are open to spiritual things reflect God. Lydia is clearly one of those, as are most of the folks here.

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  31. TomCat,

    This "chat room" has bonded an awful lot of people ;-)

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  32. Mike,

    TomCat refers to The Project For A New American Century, of course.

    Check out who signed off on this...

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  33. Larry said...
    If you think about it, what Lydia's article is talking about is also what being a Liberal really is.

    Bringing peace by showing positive acts instead of all the hate.


    Well, Jesus WAS a liberal...

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  34. I'm aware of that Carl, and i agree with his assessment as well.

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  35. Joe Lieberman told Fox News that he may vote Republican in 2008.

    Wasn't that what he has been doing the past 6 years?

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  36. Thats no surprise Larry, I thought you were going to say he was going to come out of the closet and admit he's a repug.

    interesting though that before specific candidates are even announced pr what each candidates positions are he would announce where his loyalties lie.

    He's a partisan incognito repug as far as i'm concerned.

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  37. Lieberman babbled on for a time about wanting a Democratically controlled Congress and Presidency.

    He then said he may vote Republican in 2008. So much for his earlier wishes.

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  38. Hey Worf, coming from you, that means a lot! LOL

    And I really appreciate it.

    Carl, you're right; it's an inside job...

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  39. Words of wisdom, for sure. I believe in so much of what you've expressed. I feel what we learn in this life transcends onto the next. The fact that life is indeed short makes me wonder how so many can continue to take it for granted, and not show their love and appreciation for everything in their lives, especially people. Such as in my belief about life in and of itself: People first, money and possessions last. I live frugally by choice and savor much.

    Ah, yes. Bush. I also believe him to be the antichrist. The fact that he wraps himself up not only in our beloved American flag but in the bible completely disgusts me. He is no more a man of religion than I am a natural blonde.

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  40. that cunt polosi and al sharpton should team up.

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  41. Greetings Lydia,

    I'm here via Human's blog.

    I couldn't agree with this post more, especially with the last paragraph.

    One of my favorite protest signs is "Who would Jesus kill?" He was, for those who know Him, the ultimate pacifist.

    While I couldn't make it to DC, we did our very best in Palm Springs, CA, to bring local attention to the national crisis.

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  42. TomCat said: "Bush's war embodies both the incompetence and public deception of Vietnam with the Machiavellian megalomania of Hitler's aggression."

    Very well put!! And scary.

    Jacq and MsLiberty, thanks for visiting.

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  43. Tomcat, you left ONE very important item out of your quick history of the run up to Vietnam War which is extremely important to understand why the US Presidents acted the way they did after Eisenhower left office. Right after the Fall of the french at Dien Bien Phu, the Dulles brothers inserted the US into the war against Ho Chi Minh. They had Edward Landsdale begin a CIA operation to destabilize the North in Hanoi, at the same time working to install Diem in the south in Saigon, and when they realized that Ho Chi Minh would get around 90% of the vote they first blocked the elections, and then formalized relations with South Vietnam by creating SEATO which bonded the US to the defense of the South Vietnam. So no matter who won the white house, the US was connected to the South Vietnamese Government by treaty.

    They did the same thing, in Tehran in 1953, with the coup by US and British lead by Kermit Roosevelt (CIA Chief)which placed the Shah on the thrown in Iran, and allied HIM to the US and the US to him for the next 25 years until the revolution of 1979. Carter was just following through on promises made in the Eisenhower Administration, exactly what Kennedy was trying to do, and Johnson screwed up so bad doing.

    This is exactly what Nixon did with the Saudis in 1972, he promised the US Government would protect a dictatorial Government in Rihyad in exchange for the Saudis only selling their oil in US dollars, which has tied Oil to the Dollar for the last 35 years and tied the US to the Middle east since then...at the same time he made Israel a major US ally in the region.

    The re-pubies TIE the US to dictators like Diem, the Shah or King Saud by treaty which no administration then can break without breaking the word of the US Government around the world. It is tricks like this which they use to get what they want NO matter who is in power. With their sneaky actions to bind the US to dictators and corrupt foreign leaders, they can lock the possible paths that Democrats like Kennedy or Carter, or who ever follows Bush can take.

    Bush is tying the US to the government in Iraq, by trying to get Maliki to remove his indigenous support and replacing it with the US, thus their attacks on al Sadr as a tool of Iran even though he opposes their involvement in Iraq just as much as he opposes the US's. Bush is just following the old repugnant foreign policy play book of setting up a puppet government which owes it's allegiance to Washington, not their local populace.

    However what the Neo-cons do not understand is the Iraqi's who we are trying to fool this time watched Reagan and Bush 43 play this same game with Saddam. They know how it is played and what eventually happens in the end. The Neo-cons can not get what they are after this time in Iraq, because the Iraqis have seen this movie too, and they do not like the roles they are assigned by the neo-cons and how it usually ends.

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  44. Jacq people like Bush and Osama are fundamentaliats religious zealots, they use religion, patriotism and their power destructively for their own self serving agenda.............but I knew what you meant and agree with what you said essentially.

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  45. Mike: Precisely.

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  46. I just saw that Chaz, my administrator must have accidentally logged into my account, because it sounds like him (he's a great guy):

    CHAZ SAID:

    Yes Lydia! Brilliant observations!

    The Bush bunch does not get it about living by the sword and dying by it. they think more troops is the answer because there answer to everything is bullying. thats there mentality. I said this before that America is like an abusive family. Bush Inc. is the ogre of a father. the democrats are the abused wife and we are all the traumatized children.

    HA HA i just had a funny thought about a spoof sitcom called the Bushy Bunch. like the Bradies except the cast of characters are all Bush people in all the rolls of the braidy bunch. Oh the comedy would be endless!
    Now who would play who?

    Chaz

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  47. At first I thought it was one of the trolls hijacking my name. But it can't be because Chaz always speaks with wisdom.

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  48. Carl, I don't doubt the bonding to which you referred for a second. I love this place. I just wish i had more time between work, volunteer work, and my own blog. And you were indeed correct to expand new American Century to PNAC.

    Thanks Lydia. Yes it is..... VERY Scary.

    Clif I fully agree that was important.

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  49. CLIF - fascinating analysis of the truth beneath the lies, and the history of our Vietnam agenda.

    There are so many layers.

    By the way, Tomcat: you're right that everyone reflects God (or we all have the capacity to.) We just need get our striving, petty egos out of the way.

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  50. Since we have visitors today from Dubai, Bangkok, Perth, Kuala Lumpur, (Malaysia) Seol, Riyadh (Suadi Arabia) UK, Germany, Barcelona and Christ Church, New Zealand -- I'm opening Anonymous comments so it's easier for people to post comments.

    If this gets abusive we will put back the ban.

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  51. Maxmixt, thank you.

    Clif, I never knew all this stuff. Why do we manipulate so much? What is our motivation? We are fear-based and think we have to control everyone to get stability.

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  52. Well it looks like GWB told the truth about one thing he is much more of a uniter than a divider.

    In a few short years he has succeeded in uniting almost the entire world against us, he even united the Sunni's and Shites who have been warring bitter enemies for a millenium, the Sunni's and Shites worked together to shoot down a USA helicopter and kill Americans.

    No GWB is much more a uniter than a divider he has united almost the entire world as well as all decent freedom loving Americans who value life against him and his pack of Neo Con fools, the only thing he has divided has been the repug party, where decent repugs no longer support him or his pack of Neo Con fools.

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  53. Lydia Cornell said...
    Clif, I never knew all this stuff. Why do we manipulate so much? What is our motivation?


    Control = power = wealth, of a sort.

    It all comes down to a fear of loss.

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  54. US chopper down in Iraq battleFrom correspondents in Najaf
    January 29, 2007 06:04am
    Article from: ReutersFont size: + -

    US and Iraqi forces have killed 250 gunmen in a fierce battle involving US tanks and helicopters on the outskirts of the Shiite holy city of Najaf.

    The day-long battle was continuing after nightfall on Sunday, said Colonel Ali Nomas, as tens of thousands of pilgrims converged on the nearby city of Kerbala for the climax of the Ashura commemorations.

    A US helicopter was shot down in the fighting. The US military declined comment. A reporter for news agency Reuters saw a helicopter come down trailing smoke.

    Shiite political sources said the gunmen appeared to be both Sunni Arabs and Shiites loyal to a cleric called Ahmed Hassani.

    In Baghdad, 13 people were killed in bombings in mainly Shiite areas, police said.

    Twin car bombs targeting ethnic Kurds killed 16 people as night fell in the northern oil city of Kirkuk, whose population is a volatile mix of Kurds, Turkmen and Sunni and Shiite Arabs.

    Hundreds of thousands of pilgrims have converged on Iraq's other main Shiite holy city, Kerbala, for Ashura, marking the 7th century Battle of Kerbala, which helped consolidate the schism between Shiite and Sunni Islam.

    It is the first time the 10-day annual ritual has been held since violence erupted last February between Iraq's majority Shiites and once-dominant minority Sunnis. Tens of thousands have since been killed in tit-for-tat killings.

    The governor of Najaf province said Iraqi troops fought a day-long battle with up to 200 Sunni gunmen, including foreign fighters, holed up in orchards on the northern outskirts of the city, seat of Iraq's most powerful Shiite clerics.

    Governor Asaad Abu Gilel said the authorities had uncovered a plot to kill some of the clerics on Monday, to coincide with the climax of Ashura.

    "There is a conspiracy to kill the clergy on the 10th day of Muharram," Najaf governor Abu Gilel said, referring to the day of the Muslim calendar on Monday.

    A Reuters reporter about 1.5km from the fighting said he heard intense gunfire and saw US helicopters fire rockets at groves sheltering militants. He saw smoke trailing from one helicopter before it came down in the midst of the fighting.

    He was unable to see what had happened to the helicopter, but officers in Iraq's 8th Army Division and policemen said it had crashed and that the two crew members were dead. The US military said it did not comment on operations still taking place.

    Additional reporting by Aseel Kami and Sherko Raouf

    http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21134056-401,00.html

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  55. As a society, we have been conditioned to think in terms of acquisition = self-esteem.

    This rates about fourth on the hierarchy of needs, according to Maslow. But it is the highest level of material need.

    Once you've transcended this need, you reach a level of intellectual need. You can, of course, backslide in many areas, even once you reach the ultimate set of needs which deal with personal holistic growth.

    The point is, to continue to strive upwards. Unfortunately, as with many things of this nature, it's pyramidal, meaning fewer and fewer people achieve that next level.

    The ultimate level, self-actualization, is to find one's calling in as many things as possible and to realize and achieve satisfaction spiritually, intellectually, and yes, materially (altho that does not necessarily mean monetarily).

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  56. Carl, did you hear Cheney's interview with Wolf blitzer last week, you could hear the tension, Cheney tried to threat and intimidate him as much as possible on the air, I wish I could have seen it, i'll bet if looks could kill Blitzer would have dropped dead.

    We've needed this for the last 5 years, its the Media's job to ask the tough questions and not play dead to authoritarian jackasses like Cheney and GWB.

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  57. You hit the nail on the head Carl, if you have read john Dean's book, he states that authoritarians like Cheney are not capable of empathy or thinking of the needs of others they focus only inward on their own selfish wants and desires.

    They are like spoiled 8 year olds, they are incapable of self growth or spirituality or moving to the next level as human beings.Their main focus that consumes them is their wants and desires and the domination of others including revenge on their perceived enemies.

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  59. It's important to 'keep hate alive'
    January 26, 2007


    Destroying a president is not much of a strategy to win a war, but it's all the Democrats have.
    The churls of the left don't seem to care whether their country wins the war, the important thing is to "keep hate alive." If hate worked in '06, maybe it will work again in '08, when the stakes will be considerably higher.
    Sometimes it's not only hate, but a bit of schadenfreude, too, taking pleasure in the woes of the enemy. "Partisan pleasure in George Bush's pain dates to the anguish of the contested 2000 election loss," observes Daniel Henninger in the Wall Street Journal. "The Democrats have run against something called 'Bush' for so long this sentiment is now bound up in any act or policy remotely attached to the president. Iraq's troubles, or Iran or North Korea, are merely an artifact of crushing this one guy."
    The president's tormentors in Congress, some old and some new, insist they don't have anything against the fine young Americans with their lives on the line in Iraq, but the troops are dispensable to the larger partisan goal of destroying George W. and abdicating the responsibility that comes with being the world's only superpower. If the troops are hurt, too, well, that's just a risk the critics will have to endure.
    Senators are leading the rush to judgment. Hillary Clinton, buoyed by the early polls that show her blowing Barack Obama out of the race, scoffs that the war she voted for is "a dead end." Susan Collins of Maine, a Republican, asks whether "the clock has already run out." The very point of her question is the smug assertion that of course it has. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, who has all but given up his ambition to be John McCain when he grows up, says the obvious: "We have anarchy in Iraq. It's getting worse." You can hear the glee in his voice. John Warner of Virginia, eager to demonstrate that he's no son of the hard, determined men who wrote the book on standing firm against all odds as a fabled army of northern Virginia, rushes to join partisans across the aisle to forge a resolution of regret, retreat and ruin. "Nonbinding," of course. Senators never bind themselves to anything but their egos and personal interests (which is why we haven't elected a senator as president in nearly half a century).
    Sometimes a senator, oily and evasive as only senators can be, lets slip a remark that reveals all. David Gregory of NBC News provoked Chuck Schumer, the Democratic senator from New York, into such a revealing remark the other day. He reminded him of Vice President Cheney's description of the Senate resolution as something (a) the president wouldn't pay any attention to because (b) it would "be detrimental to the troops on the ground."
    The senator thought he was only begging to differ when he replied: "Absolutely not, and I think it's going to be shown, when this resolution comes up, and it is nonbinding, that not only are we going to get a vast majority of Democrats to vote for it in one form or another, but close to the a majority of the Republicans."
    The reporter pressed him to answer the question: "But how can the public really buy the Democrats' support of the troops but don't support the mission? How can you do both?"
    How, indeed. How do you tell the troops that "we resolve, to paraphrase John Kerry, you're probably not much better than war criminals, but hey, guys, we support you." Mr. Schumer squirmed, and his face reflected just for an instant the look of a man cornered. "Well," he finally replied, "that's the difficulty. A resolution that says we're against this escalation, that's easy. The next step will be how do you put further pressure on the administration but still support the troops who are there? And that's what we're trying to figure out."
    The fiercest critics of the commander in chief (the one the critics despise) and his troops (the ones the critics support) concede they don't have a clue about what the president should do in Iraq. "I can't tell you what the path to success is," says Norm Coleman, a Republican of Minnesota. Joe Biden, plagiarizing every other weak sister in town, says the "primary" strategy is to make the Iraqis "compromise" and "end the violence." Hillary says the president should "talk to bad people" to see what they want (the "bad people" have already said exactly what they want, loud and clear). John Edwards says he would get tough as president, and if talk doesn't work he'll talk some more.
    But of course. Isn't that what senators do?

    Pruden on Politics runs Tuesdays and Fridays.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070126-122638-2959r.htm

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  60. Troll Tex just couldnt resist posting more Reich Wing garbage, here is a prime example of a pathetic Neo Con with no life.

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  61. Well TT, I'll have to admit, you guys are the experts on keeping "hate alive".


    You tell us who to hate and why we should hate them. You tell us what to believe, what to not believe and who we should want to kill.

    In fact, fear and hate, make up the single cohesive element of your entire party.

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  62. Lydia says she is for free speech. Let's see if she is true to her word. I've already crosposted this to Volt's blog.

    I notice, Mike, that you didn't respond substantively to my post, but chose, instead, to launch a personal attack. I guess your poverty of ideas is showing.

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  63. Worf, why are you attaching Teutonic prefixes to your moniker?

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  64. What Worf said pretty much sums up my feelings on you and your party Tt, that drivel you posted doesnt deserve it response.

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  65. TalllTexan said...
    Lydia says she is for free speech. Let's see if she is true to her word. I've already crosposted this to Volt's blog.

    I notice, Mike, that you didn't respond substantively to my post


    YOU didn't say anything. You just posted someone elses ideas with no commentary or thoughts of your own.

    When YOU say something, maybe someone will address it.

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  66. TalllTexan said...
    Worf, why are you attaching Teutonic prefixes to your moniker?


    Don't trouble yourself.

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  67. Hey worf, did you see or hear any of the Cheney interview with wolf blitzer last week?

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  68. Yea I saw it.

    Cheney said that everyone but him doesn't have the stomach for war.

    :|

    This from a guy who took 6 deferments to avoid going to war when his time came.

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  69. Clif, I'm curious, how many deferments did Gary Bush get?

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  70. Clif, did you know that Jim Kerry got five deferments?

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  71. I think its time to delete the troll, he's just being a slimy spammer with no point or argument.

    bye bye troll Tex!

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  72. " Mike said...
    I think its time to delete the troll, he's just being a slimy spammer with no point or argument.

    bye bye troll Tex!

    11:31 AM"

    So much for free speech. What a joke.

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  73. If you're talking about the President, he chickened out of combat duty himself, and chose a cushy stateside post.

    Even then he was AWOL, and never completed his cushy stateside service.

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  74. No one has deleted you this morning TT. And no one will, unless you start trying to use this blog for a platform to publish neocon articles again.

    As long as YOU have something to say, we'll listen.

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  75. "UBER WORFEUS said...
    If you're talking about the President, he chickened out of combat duty himself, and chose a cushy stateside post.

    Even then he was AWOL, and never completed his cushy stateside service.

    11:35 AM"

    No proof of that whatsoever. If it were true, why did Dan Rather resign over it.

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  76. TalllTexan said...
    Clif, did you know that Jim Kerry got five deferments


    JOHN Kerry served on a gunboat in combat, in VietNam.

    You seriously want to compare that to a crack addicted AWOL coward who hid stateside during the war, or another COWARD who got SIX deferrments and NEVER BOTHERED TO SERVE?

    Please do.

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  77. BTW Troll Tex, care to comment on exactly how you support the the veterans andtroops, and wanting to send more troops over to die in an Iraqi civil war isnt supporting them.

    I've heard you on countless occasions attack clif for posting here and say you dont want to support veterans or at least those that disagree with you politically, i've heard you have no problem with the poor pay in our military or the generals getting a huge raise to buy their silence or support while the regular soldiers get a tiny insignificant raise as a percentage of their pay.

    so you dont much support our military unless they are willing to die for you and you dont much support freedom of speech or privacy TT, what you do support is an incompetent pack of authoritarian Nazi like dictators, namely GWB and his pack of Neo Con fools.

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  78. TalllTexan said...

    No proof of that whatsoever. If it were true, why did Dan Rather resign over it.


    So you just lie?

    Thats all you got?

    There IS proof of it. He was ABSENT and DID NOT GET HIS WINGS because he NEVER SHOWED UP. That IS in his official record.

    Rather resigned over a document that may have been fabricated but the OFFICAL RECORD shows Bush did NOT show up several times as required, and was failed because of it.

    Either way, he still had his daddy pull strings so he could avoid the combat he now sends so many off to engage in for him.

    Hes a coward. So is Cheney.

    Kerry fought in Nam, and it just EATS YOU UP.

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  79. No worf this troll is taking his snide veiled pot shots at Clif like he always does when he has nothing of relevance to say.

    Free speech is one thing if you have an opinion or something of relevance to say, But the new rule was no personal attacks and this slimy troll is pushing things and testing.

    1) He attacked clif

    2) he had nothing meaningful to say, he was just talking stupid nonsensical gibberish like rusty and Johnny do.

    DELETE THE TROLL UNTIL HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY.

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  80. "Mike said...
    BTW Troll Tex, care to comment on exactly how you support the the veterans andtroops, and wanting to send more troops over to die in an Iraqi civil war isnt supporting them.

    I've heard you on countless occasions attack clif for posting here and say you dont want to support veterans or at least those that disagree with you politically, i've heard you have no problem with the poor pay in our military or the generals getting a huge raise to buy their silence or support while the regular soldiers get a tiny insignificant raise as a percentage of their pay.

    so you dont much support our military unless they are willing to die for you and you dont much support freedom of speech or privacy TT, what you do support is an incompetent pack of authoritarian Nazi like dictators, namely GWB and his pack of Neo Con fools.

    11:39 AM"

    A) I do support the troops. I donated a substantial amount to the new rehab facility at FallenHeroesFund.org just this morning.

    B) I believe I agreed with Clif that our Vets should get more than they are getting, much more. I believe I said that right here in this blog.

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  81. By the way genius.... just a tip for you.

    Kerry's not running for President.

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  82. Dont you have work to do Troll Tex, or is posting Reich Wing BS your job?

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  83. "UBER WORFEUS said...
    By the way genius.... just a tip for you.

    Kerry's not running for President.

    11:45 AM"

    Neither is Bush, genius.

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  84. "Mike said...
    Dont you have work to do Troll Tex, or is posting Reich Wing BS your job?

    11:46 AM"

    With the hours I put in, there are quite a few ways to decompress and allow the mind to relax. Excercise is one. Music is another, and blogging is yet another.

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  85. No I believe your retort went something like this Troll Tex

    TT said Mike are you trying to say soldiers should be paid the same or more as generals

    so like usual you flat out lied and tried to create my argument for me, as I NEVER even remotely stated soldiers should be paid the same or more as generals but like a true dishonest troll you tried to imply i did.

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  87. TT said "With the hours I put in, there are quite a few ways to decompress and allow the mind to relax. Excercise is one. Music is another, and blogging is yet another."

    Ahh now I see when you blog your mind goes to sleep now I see why your post all seem like mindless Reich Wing drivel, with nothing relevant to say.

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  88. Mike said "I've heard you on countless occasions attack clif for posting here and say you dont want to support veterans"

    When did I ever say that I don't want to support the vets??

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  89. You've insulted him for being disabled and said you dont feel you should have to support him with your tax dollars on MANY occasions, doesnt sound too supportive of vets to me does it TT?

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  90. Mike:

    You and Worf have the Texas Troll wrong. He is talking about Jim Carrey the actor.

    Don't forget his favorite Jim Carrey movie is Liar Liar.

    A reminder of Bush for the Texas Troll.

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  91. LOL, that was a good one Larry, Liar Liar how fitting for Troll Tex.

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  92. How do you know when a Neo Con is lying?

    Answer when his mouth is moving.

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  93. Watch out Mike. People tend to get locked off the blog when Texas Troll gets agitated.

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  94. "Larry said...
    Mike:

    You and Worf have the Texas Troll wrong. He is talking about Jim Carrey the actor.

    Don't forget his favorite Jim Carrey movie is Liar Liar.

    A reminder of Bush for the Texas Troll.

    11:59 AM"

    Larry, you just don't get it. I was debating a guy who thought that the president was "Gary Bush," so I figured "Jim Kerry" and "John Kerry" would be the same person to him. This is the same guy who wrote about how we used "Central Orange" in Vietnam and wrote about a "chemical machine log book."

    Mike, my question stands: when did I ever state that I didn't want to support the troops or the vets, or is that something you just made up?

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  95. You've insulted Clif for being disabled and said you dont feel you should have to support him with your tax dollars on MANY occasions, doesnt sound too supportive of vets to me does it TT?


    I'll post it again since you have trouble reading apparently.

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  96. And as for you debating, first of all Clif isnt even here, so dont pretend your debating him, you were taking veiled pot shots and insults towards him, not debating, i've rarely seen you debate anything.

    Worf can pretend you actually debate and act respectful I know better, i've seen through you from day one, your transparent as ever my little green friend.

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  97. I agreed with Clif when he was critical of Reagan for cutting funds for vets, and I agree with him now that vets don't get enough, and I, just today, donated money the the new rehab center that was opened.

    If I criticized Clif personally, that was not a reflection of my overall policy positions.

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  98. Now a fact came out TT, so its time to run away and get back to what ever it is you do, most likely bilking the taxpayers for the Reich wing.

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  99. Maybe he locked Clif out of the blog.

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  100. Hey look who crawled up from the slime to rear his phugly head and try to Prudenize us!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Must have needed the rest from Mount Pileoturds!

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Wes Pruden...let's take a look at his credentials

    Editor of the Washington Times...hey, TallTexan? Do you usually quote from blaspheming publications? Really...Sun Myung Moon, the tax evader, the Second Coming?????

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

    More like he had second helpings....

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

    But wait! There's more!

    Pruden's father was chaplain of the White Citizens' Council, which you might know better as the KKK.

    Pruden used to change reporters copy, after it had been put to bed and ready to go to the printer, in order to give it a more fascist slant!

    Yea. There's a factual unbiased person to quote, you sideways c*nt.

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  101. An inbred jackass said

    Neither is Bush,

    Oh here, let me help the perpetually homeschooled.

    He IS President, you idiot.

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  102. No you stated you felt your tax dollars should not be used to support Clif, you've said that many times and since he is a disabled Veteran entitled to disability it is only logical to conclude you feel disabled Veterans are not worthy of your tax dollars or support.

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  103. Watch out Carl. People get locked out of the blog when Texas Troll gets angry.

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  104. TalllTexan said...
    I do support the troops. I donated a substantial amount to the new rehab facility at FallenHeroesFund.org just this morning.


    Oh. I see. So that's where you've been, picking up deposit bottles....

    Innit funny...not one veteran on the formal board of directors...wonder why that is...could it be guilt for others sacrificing themselves to make America safe for rapacious greedy bastards like the Fishers and Santulli?

    Or TallTexan?

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  105. Mike, my overall policy positions have agreed with Clif that the troops and vets deserve better.

    Twist it any way you want, but that's what I've said.

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  106. Larry said...
    Watch out Carl. People get locked out of the blog when Texas Troll gets angry.


    *shrug*

    I'm sure we could just circumvent the problem....*whistling*

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  107. TalllTexan said...
    Mike, my overall policy positions have agreed with Clif that the troops and vets deserve better.


    How would you know? YOu never served, so you have no clue what vets deserve or don't deserve!

    But your buttbuddy Bush does! That's why he's cut veterans funding AND benefits every year!

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  108. Carl, maybe you should not comment on such matters as "butt buddies."

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  109. I'm not twisting ANYTHING you have said on MANY occasions that you dont feel clif is entitled to be supported by your tax dollars, hence you obviously feel that all disabled Veterans are not worthy or entited to taxpayer support.

    You NEVER said I support ALL veterans BUT Clif, you said Clif who is a disabled Veteran is in your opinion not worthy of your support.

    Just curious if Bill Clinton said that a certain black person should still be a slave would you then infer he only held this view for that particular person even if he NEVER indicated such?

    My bet is you would be licking your chops getting ready to tell everyone what a racist he is and how he supports slavery.

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  110. It's real easy to sit in your stupid little government contract paid for chair with your fat ass and day old Wall Street Journal and pontificate on shit that doesn't matter to you, isn't it, Texasshole?

    But God forBID you put your pork rind munching ass on the line for anyone else...

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  111. You can spin like a top all you want Troll Tex but your words are preserved for all to see and they show your true character.

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  112. TalllTexan said...
    Carl, maybe you should not comment on such matters as "butt buddies."


    Truth must hurt you, Texasshole.

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  113. Nice catch, Mike. The guy is slime and if he was smart, he'd get back to his tiny little undeserved contract, and serve his clients instead of softball nonsense for us to smack out of the park.

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  114. You know what guys, I was watching Dicken's "a Christmas Carol" last night and it hit me, the repugs are Ebenezer Scrooge and Jacob Marley, they care nothing for their fellow man or those less fortunate just how much of the pie they can steal for themselves its plain greed, pigs at the trough.

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  115. It's pure cowardice, Mike. Guys like this are a dime a dozen and can't understand why they go to bed at night so unfulfilled (and unlaid by anybody decent). They sleep like rats in house full of cats.

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  116. Mike,

    They're worse. At least Scrooge could be persuaded to change, to understand the human condition.

    These clowns are nothing more than stultified little drones who will be nothing more than our servants when the end times come.

    Dance, Texasshole, dance. You may as well practice now.

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  117. Maybe Texas Troll should go to Jim Nicholson's blog and knock himself out with the anti-veteran rhetoric.

    Nicholson sure has proven his feelings for the vets.

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  118. How bout you get back to work Troll Tex and stop wasting my tax dollars!

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  119. Mike said...
    You hit the nail on the head Carl, if you have read john Dean's book, he states that authoritarians like Cheney are not capable of empathy or thinking of the needs of others they focus only inward on their own selfish wants and desires.


    Like I posted on my own blog, "magical children". No sense of how the world truly works. All they know is their miniscule little piece of it.

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  120. They are clueless Carl, thats why they will lose more power and become more irrelevant in 2008.

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  121. This thread is turning juvenile again. Back to work.

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  122. How stupid is Wes Pruden?

    The reporter pressed him to answer the question: "But how can the public really buy the Democrats' support of the troops but don't support the mission? How can you do both?"
    How, indeed. How do you tell the troops that "we resolve, to paraphrase John Kerry, you're probably not much better than war criminals, but hey, guys, we support you." Mr. Schumer squirmed, and his face reflected just for an instant the look of a man cornered. "Well," he finally replied, "that's the difficulty. A resolution that says we're against this escalation, that's easy. The next step will be how do you put further pressure on the administration but still support the troops who are there? And that's what we're trying to figure out."


    Apparently, in Sun Myung Moon World, a tax-exempt entity...ok, not really, they just don't bother paying any...they've never heard of "hate the sin, love the sinner".

    According to Wes, they're war criminals because their bosses are.

    But that wasn't true in Nazi Germany and isn't true in Iraq either.

    Texasshole, could you at least find a column by someone with a modicum of intelligence?

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  123. Carl kind of like their magical fantasies that tax cuts increase revenue to the treasury or that deficits dont matter, or death and torture will bring peace and freedom...............your right carl, they are magical children.

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  124. TalllTexan said...
    This thread is turning juvenile again. Back to work.


    It did when you first appeared. Now the grown ups are here to take your toys away.

    Honestly, "Jim Kerry"? How immature. How sophomoric. How...Texassholian!

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  125. Mike,

    "Somehow, it will all work out, because I said so"

    If that ain't magical thinking, I don't know what is!

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  126. Yeah time to run away Troll Tex, your starting to look foolish as USUAL!

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  127. All those facts. No wonder he ran away.

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  128. Now that he's gone, we can get back to talking about issues and stuff.

    I was in a discussion with perhaps the most elite intellectual mailing list on the planet. It's one of the few places where I'm not the smartest guy in the room.

    Anyway, we were talking a little about what Lydia posted last night (that's probably the source of the New Zealand hit you got, Lyd). Ther's an awful lot of conservatives on the list, but they're bright guys and listen to opposing positions.

    We were talking about fear, when someone posted the old saw about conservatives being nothing more than liberals who were mugged, something a few of the cons took as a badge of pride.

    So, in order to pop a few balloons, I said "I want to understand why people find it acceptable to describe conservatives, particularly neo-cons, as liberals who were mugged?

    Doesn't that imply an awful lot of weakness on conservatives' part? As if they changed their minds out of fear, a controllable fear, of their environment?"

    How do people like Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz explain their conversion? Truly, if it fear, then what the hell were they doing running a country?

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  129. Excellent point Carl that people do not make the wisest decisions when ruled by fear and we need smart people to run our country.

    But i'm going to take this in a different direction, I realize I might be out on an island her, but thats what I believe.

    I have never believed for one minute Conservatives act out of fear, I think its greed, I dont buy for a minute the Bush and Cheney are really afraid of Muslims, I think the fear tactics are used to sell it to the American people who have proven to be lemmings and sheep and easily deceived the last 5 years.

    fear is a VERY powerful emotion Carl, that can easily influence or paralize people, look at the stock market for example, fear is far more powerful than greed.

    The Neo Cons are not themselves afraid, rather they use fear, a common enemy and a cause to rally around just as Hitler did to seize power and further his agenda of world domination.

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  130. They might be fearful or insecure that others are better or smarter than them or that they cant compete, and thats why all the lies and dirty tricks, but I dont believe they are fearful for their own safety, I think thats just what they use to sell all the Hate, death, destruction of our freedom etc......to the masses.

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  131. Tall Texan, I must comment on this one thing: EVERYONE knows that Bush went AWOL on his air force training.

    This is a fact. What is sad is that Dan Rather was correct in his substance, but of course the idiotic media values "style over substance..."

    Everyone should know that Cheney got 5 draft deferments.

    Kerry served. Bush and Cheney did not.

    BUSH MUST BE IMPEACHED. THE DEMS MUST STAND UP TO THIS DICTATOR.

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  132. Although political they do sem to attack that which they fear or know they can not beat, look at Clinton, Gore, Obama, if they did not fear these people they would not be trying to destroy them.

    Same with Coulter she fears honest debate and truth thats why she never puts herself out there anywhere but a controlled Reich Wing environment, and thats why she has attacked Lydia and her site because she's afraid.

    But again I dont think the Neo Cons are actually afraid of the terrorists or even take the war on terror seriously for that matter.

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  133. Mike,

    It's not just political. It's cultural, too. Look at how upset they get when some celebrity gets a billion dollars for making a movie. Rather than accept that the free market is working, suddenly it's "well, we should limit the contract" and stuff like that.

    What difference does it make if Alex Rodriguez makes $250 million? If he doesn't, the owner who signed him to it does. Who's the lesser millionaire, the underdog, here?

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  134. Lydia,

    Rather was forced out not because he was wrong, but because some dumb producer didn't vet the source carefully enough that it was unimpeachable and these jerkwads on the right will accept a liar for President, but god forbid a TV reporter makes an honest mistake that made no difference to the truth!

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  135. I've heard one of them, I think FF or TT, condemn actors for making millions yet defend CEO's excessive and in many cases undeserved compensation at the exclusion of the regular workers.

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  136. Another thing carl, I find the Reich wings growing control over the MSM extremely disturbing, I think these Media empires need to be broken up to ensure diversity of viewpoints and unbiased coverage.

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  137. Mike,

    Yea, them uppity darkies who actually DO the work! How dare they, I say, how DARE they earn some monay! Shameless!

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  138. Mike,

    I read somewhere that one of the Democrats is going to push hard for re-establishment of the Fairness Doctrine.

    It's a step in the right direction.

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  139. I think it would be a great step, I cant se how it ever got repealed in the first place.

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  140. Mike,

    Two words for ya: Ronald Reagan.

    Even in the early 80s, the neo-con thrill kill death cult had a plan to make this nation regress to some primitive chimp-dung-flinging state.

    "The FCC under Mark S. Fowler began to repeal parts of the Fairness Doctrine, announcing in 1985 that the doctrine hurt the public interest and violated the First Amendment.

    In 1986, the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, upheld a loose interpretation by the Reagan administration influenced FCC of an aspect of the Fairness Doctrine, ruling that Congress had "never made the doctrine a binding requirement". In August 1987, the Commission abolished the doctrine by a 4-0 vote, in its Syracuse Peace Council decision. The FCC insisted that the doctrine had grown to inhibit rather than enhance debate and suggested that, due to the many media voices in the marketplace at the time, the doctrine was perceived to be unconstitutional.

    In the spring of 1987 Congress attempted to contest the FCC vote and restore the Doctrine (S. 742, 100th Cong., 1st Sess. (1987)), but the legislation was vetoed by President Reagan. Another attempt to resurrect the doctrine in 1991 ran out of steam when President George H.W. Bush threatened another veto."

    Mind you that in 1969, the Supreme Court had actually endorsed the Fairness Doctrine and said it did not interfere with First Amendment rights:

    "A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a... frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount."
    U.S. Supreme Court, upholding the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969.

    So Reagan actually violated the Constitution when he repealed the Doctrine.

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  141. Violating the Constitution seems to come natural to the repugs even after they swear an oath to defend it.

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  142. Before some nutcase from the right argues this statement, let me justify it:

    The court said, "There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount."

    This means the Constitution is there to protect the rights of citizens and individuals, not corporations. To deny the citizens the right to balanced opinions is to infringe on their First Amendment right to free speech.

    You'll note also that this same argument could conceivably be used to deconstruct the corporate soft and hard money contributions to political candidates and parties. Much of that relies heavily on First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti (1978) in which the court struck down a Massachussetss initiative that banned corporate political spending on the theory that it was a First Amendment issue.

    Curiously, a dissent was written by Justice Rehnquist who said, in effect, that Chief Justice Marshall's opinion in Dartmouth College v. Woodward dictated that as a legal entity, a corporation could not be gifted with rights equal to a natural born citizen.

    Wish he had still held those beliefs in 2000...

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  143. Carl said "This means the Constitution is there to protect the rights of citizens and individuals, not corporations. To deny the citizens the right to balanced opinions is to infringe on their First Amendment right to free speech.

    The court said, "There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount."

    The rights of citizens and viewers certainly need to be protected Carl, they have a right to see truthful unbiased news coverage not a bully pulpit for Reich Wing rhetoric that allows them to deceive the masses.

    Somehow they lost tract of those ideals to protect the citizens and are instead protecting the corporate special interests, and Reich Wing partisans instead.

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  144. Excellent example though, vert clear and concise and right on point!

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  145. In America, money talks and the rest of us walk.

    That will, I think, be the ultimate battle for America. And I think eventually, even conservatives will see the light, but by then it will be too late.

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  146. It's funny, because I get accused all the time by those on my left as being a corporatist.

    And it's true: capitalism is the best economic system we can find, but we must alter it to suit a human population.

    So many precepts and axioms of capitalism simply don't fit our society or any society, for that matter, at least any society that attempts to wrestle with community and humanity.

    Christianity and capitalism, for example, are diametrically opposed. Isn't it interesting how Christianity is being forced to conform to capitalism?

    "My house shall be called for all nations the house of prayer', but ye have made it a den of thieves"

    Jesus will have His say.

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  147. "Lydia Cornell said...
    "Tall Texan, I must comment on this one thing: EVERYONE knows that Bush went AWOL on his air force training.

    "This is a fact. What is sad is that Dan Rather was correct in his substance, but of course the idiotic media values 'style over substance...' "

    ++++++++++
    With respect, Lydia, it is not a fact that everyone knows that Bush went AWOL. During 1972 the Vietnam War was winding down, and these kinds of arrangements were commmon. If you go AWOL, you don't get an honorable discharge. He fullfilled all the obligations for such a discharge, and that is a fact.

    With regard to Dan Rather, who has spoken a Democratic fundraisers while he was the anchor the of CBS Evening News (which is a big "no no" in journalism and suggests he was anything but impartial), the letters and reports that led to Rather's earlier-than-planned retirement were determined to have been printed from a computer using Microsoft Word (a version from the late '90s), not documents typed in the 70s.

    If the basis for Rather's reporting were forged documents, then he has nothing to substantiate his claims. That would be like me telling you that you were a no-show on TCFC based on emails from the early 80s. How rediculous would that be?? And, yet, Rather persisted in sticking to his "story" that the forged documents were accurate nonetheless. Forged but accurate? Please. It is beyond crazy and does not even pass the laugh test. I would say that Rather got off easy with an earlier-than-planned retirement.

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  148. Wow TT. Its fun watching you try to apologize for a man, who if he were a democrat, you'd be burning him in effigy right now.

    Keep ploying your right wing crap, making excuses for two little tyrants who when it came their time to do battle, cowered here in the states, while you condemn men who did serve when their time came, as cowards and traitors, all the while supporting your two little tyrants war that you yourself are unwilling to fight in.

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  149. Carl said, "Mind you that in 1969, the Supreme Court had actually endorsed the Fairness Doctrine and said it did not interfere with First Amendment rights:

    "A license permits broadcasting, but the licensee has no constitutional right to be the one who holds the license or to monopolize a... frequency to the exclusion of his fellow citizens. There is nothing in the First Amendment which prevents the Government from requiring a licensee to share his frequency with others.... It is the right of the viewers and listeners, not the right of the broadcasters, which is paramount."
    U.S. Supreme Court, upholding the constitutionality of the Fairness Doctrine in Red Lion Broadcasting Co. v. FCC, 1969.

    So Reagan actually violated the Constitution when he repealed the Doctrine."

    No, Carl, Reagan did not violate the Constitution. The fact the the Supreme Court ruled the Fairness Doctrine constitutionally permissable does not mean that it is not unconstitutional to not enact it.

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  150. Of course you're not really making the argument, are you? You're just reading someone elses argument and then posting it in here, with of course now a little intro commentary so you can complain that you're following the rules.

    I read you like a book.

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  151. Heres a link folks to that, err...article that TT feels you all should read.


    Freedomstruth.blogspot.com

    Enjoy?

    :|

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  152. Worf, do you have any facts to rebut the facts I have presented? Or is your complaint merely one of style?

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  153. Tall Tale Texan said....

    He fullfilled all the obligations for such a discharge, and that is a fact.


    No. That he "received" an honorable discharge is a fact.

    It is also a fact that he was never flight certified, because he failed to show up for a medical examination, and that there was no offical explanation for his absence.

    Thats a fact.

    So one things for sure. He recieved an honorable discharge under less than tenable circumstances.

    Exceptions were clearly made.

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  154. Tell Tale Texan said...
    Worf, do you have any facts to rebut the facts I have presented? Or is your complaint merely one of style?



    Do you mean am I going to go search the internet for you like a little dipshit then no. I've wasted all the time I am not going to waste on a homeschooled inbred too stupid to remember the articles we've already posted on the subject, the LAST time we had this stupid debate.

    Go back and read them if you want them so bad.

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  155. I also posted a link to your stupid article jackass.

    And I am not going to tell you again. If you're too stupid to figure it out then don't bother coming back either.

    DON'T post entire articles in here with right wing slanted bs. Post excerpts if you want, and post a LINK, but don't take up 6 pages with the entire article cause you're too stupid or lazy to make the argument yourself.

    This is a liberal blog and you're not going to fill it up with right wing articles for your amusement.

    Knock it off, or I'll knock it off for you.

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  156. Lydia, Worf is going to ruin your blog. MARK MY WORDS. I may go quietly into the night, but sure a shit, someone less even tempered than me will not take this.

    At the end of the day, it is your blog, not mine nor anyone else's. You watch. You permit this big fish in a tiny tiny pond to prove what abig man he is by deleting pertinant posts (I was responding to your comment), someone with a temper will come along. I hope that never happens, but we've seen some pretty crazy and angry sounding dudes here. But you will have no problem with me. Just say the word, not through Worfeus, and I'll leave.

    At least be a grown woman and tell me I am not welcome here.

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  157. Now we can listen to you cry for a freaking hour.

    Oh Lydia, worf is a tyrant...he won't let us use your blog as a right wing web pulpit.... oh boo hooo.....


    You want to debate? Debate.

    You want a place to webpublish right wing propaganda? Then head somewhere else. I hear Voltrons blog is booming.

    Or maybe you could start your own?

    :o

    Oh thats right, you did.... my bad.

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  158. Wahhhhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh....

    Listen to the THUG people, subtly THREATENING Lydia.

    Threating Texan said.

    (I was responding to your comment), someone with a temper will come along. I hope that never happens, but we've seen some pretty crazy and angry sounding dudes here.


    Listen up pal. You make one more veiled threat and you'll be done here for good.

    And we'll record this one in an extra special safe place. To keep with all the rest.

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  159. Keep crying to Lydia all you want. You have heard the rules, and pleading to Lydia like a child running to his mother is not going to work.

    You follow the rules or you walk.

    And all your crying isn't going to change it one little bit.

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  160. And by the way mr crybaby.

    This blog has been doing fine WITHOUT you.

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  161. Worf, it was no threat. I've been around the Net long enough to see crazy shit happen. I may disagree with you and Lydia on many points, but I don't threaten and I don't act out in the real world. Just a few days ago, another blogger was going nuts here to the point where you had to enable comment moderation. You know who I'm talking about.

    As I said a few times, I don't regard any of you as enemies, but blog friends and blog opponents, and that's it.

    I disagree with Lydia on most things political and agree with her on most things spiritual, so I am, believe it or not, trying to give her some helpfull advice.

    Lydia, I have never threatened you and I never will. I will either stay or go. Period.

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  162. Listen to how a right wing thug threatens people.

    Threatening Texan said...


    I may go quietly into the night, but sure a shit, someone less even tempered than me will not take this.



    Go screw yourself.

    And take your less even tempered friend with you.

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  163. And don't think you can backtrack either pal. A veiled threat is still a threat. And you had no reason to try and scare her like that. You're threatening in your words and it is clear to anyone reading this why you posted that "warning" to her.

    oooh Lydia, if worf is permitted to monitor the blog people could hurt you....ohhhhhh



    Like I said, take your less than even tempered friend with you jackass.

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  164. But I'd be careful too TT.

    I've seen people go nuts too, and maybe someone here might want to hurt you... I'd hate to see that of course..... but... you know....shit happens.


    Right?

    Thats is the helpful warning you wanted to Give Lydia, right?

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  165. I mean, that doesn't sound "threatening" to you at all, right?

    Its what you said to Lydia so I know you see that in the spirit it is given....right?

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  166. Tall Threatening Texan said...

    I will either stay or go. Period

    At the moment, you're welcome to do either.

    But crying to Lydia isn't going to change anything.

    Lydia doesn't deal with mundane issues like troll banning and blog editing. She has more important things to do with her time.

    On that note slim, you need to talk to me.

    Clear it up any?

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  167. Worf said "On that note slim, you need to talk to me."

    What do you want to talk about? Your favorite color?

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  168. And you think I'm kidding, just ask your pal up north, ole Crusty Rusty.

    I'm sure he'll be happy to explain it to you.

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  169. Two Year old Texan said...

    What do you want to talk about? Your favorite color?


    Well if the defining paragraph immediately preceding that sentence was over your head, maybe you should forget blogging and get back to the Hooked-On-Phonics course.

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  170. Congress tests bounds of its war power

    By ANNE FLAHERTY,
    Associated Press Writer
    Mon Jan 29, 5:40 PM ET
    WASHINGTON -

    The new Democratic-led Congress is on a collision course with the White House over how far lawmakers can or should go to stop the war in Iraq, a dispute that could test the bounds of the Constitution.

    President Bush has insisted he won't back down on a decision to send 21,500 additional troops to Iraq and will ignore any resolutions passed by Congress that state opposition to his plan

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  171. How does that old proverb go again...?

    Pride goes before the .....???

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  172. Bush has clearly gone insane.


    He's quite mad.

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  173. KayInMaine5:56 PM

    That was wonderful Lydia. Thanks so much for writing it. You remind me so much of my friend Sue, who is very spiritual (she's a Pagan) and very connected to everything around her. She just gets it and so do you. You and her and a few others in my life are the only ones who are religious and/or spiritual that doesn't make me run for the hills when you talk about your beliefs etc. Thank you!!

    You and Sue are also alike when you speak George Bush's name....your tone suddenly changes. It's amazing to me how this man does that to a lot of people. I've never despised the office of the presidency before until he came along. His whole government makes my body react in a cerebral way. It's almost as if they're there for a reason....to show us all what evil truly looks like and how it acts. Could be. All I know is that when they're gone, my shoulders will come to rest where they should be resting...instead of past my ears all the time!

    Lydia you have so much love in your heart and soul. We are all so grateful for it. It would be nice if the neocons of this country could think like you. I digress. It will never happen!

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  174. KayInMaine5:59 PM

    Worfeus, you are fabulous on this blog and don't listen to Tiny Texan tell you otherwise. I, personally, love your wit. You make my day everytime I come here!! I mean it.

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  175. Testing to see which blog of mine is linked to "KayInMaine"....

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  176. Thanks Kay.

    We don't see you enough.

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  177. Troll Tex loves the veiled threat and the veiled insult, its how the gutless troll operates.

    Like when he issued a veiled threat to hang me with Piano wire!

    He's been a hemoroid on the ass of this blog from day one, he's WORSE than Rusty or Johnny because he pretends to be something better when he has been the organizing and controlling force behind everything afflicting this blog from the lock outs and hackings to the foul and vulgar trolls that attack people personally.

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  178. You see that Mike? Can you believe it? It's like he thinks we can't read or something.

    El Guapo said...

    MARK MY WORDS. I may go quietly into the night, but sure a shit, someone less even tempered than me will not take this.....

    ...someone with a temper will come along.

    I hope that never happens, but we've seen some pretty crazy and angry sounding dudes here....


    Oh yea, that doesn't sound threatening.... no...not at all....

    :|

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  179. Yea, no one here ever saw the Godfather....

    :|

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  180. Troll Tex said "Lydia, Worf is going to ruin your blog. MARK MY WORDS. I may go quietly into the night, but sure a shit, someone less even tempered than me will not take this."

    Behold the fear tactics of the Reich Wing, they particulasrly like the Fear and Smear and the Divide and Conquor and Troll Tex has utilized both approaches all in one post.

    As for your threat Tex stick it where the sun dont shine, you got no power here anymore or anywhere else for that matter, you've become just as impotent and irrelevant here as you have in real life and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, watch as the tide that turned last year kereps coming in stronger and stronger and The Reich Wing loses more power and influence and becomes more irrelevent.

    You clowns wont just lose in 2008, your gonna get spanked!

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  181. News flash troll this aint your blog its Lydia's if you and your troll buddies dont like her rules or the admins rules hit the road, but i'm tired of your BS posts and your threats.

    Worf your far more tollerant than I would be I would delete ANY post from the troll that wasnt relevant to the discussion like the "do you wanna talk mabout your favorite color post"

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  182. Worf said "President Bush has insisted he won't back down on a decision to send 21,500 additional troops to Iraq and will ignore any resolutions passed by Congress that state opposition to his plan"

    Did he really say that or was that just inferred?

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  183. Lol, see TT? You should be thankful you got me instead of Mike.

    :D

    No Mike, I have repeatedly and POLITELY I might add, asked him to stop posting these long right wing neocon articles in their entirety. While he's free to say pretty much what he wants like anyone else (other than SPAM comments, extreme vulgarity) but he is not free to use Lydia's blog as a neocon web publishing platform.

    He waits until theirs a discussion, and then posts right wing articles, usually not associated with any thing any one is saying... of course, who knows? Who ever reads them? Anyway he posts these things usually in a position to cover up a discussion or issue.

    Either way I asked him nicely to stop. He apparently doesn't understand nice.

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  184. He is free to post excerpts from these articles if he needs it to make a point, and of course he can always post titles and links. That is more than Think Progress would let him do.

    But posting entire articles taking up four or five pages with necon blather on a liberal blog is unacceptable.

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  185. Excellent Worf if he's here to make a point or debate fine, but as you say he either posts Neo Con spam to derail opr bury the discussion or posts irrelevant chit chat or insults like he did to Clif this morning or the threat he posted this evening.

    Coulter would not allow similar length Lydia Cornell articles to be randomly posted on her site to impede the discussion.

    This Troll debates nothing he's here for ONE purpose and thats sabotage.

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  186. At least its unacceptable if he's doing it constantly, and he does.

    He knows what he's doing when he does it.

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  187. Troll Tex is just upset his games are over and him and his trolls no longer control things.

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  188. Worf is it time to be scared of Texas Troll yet?

    I just wanted to know as he sounded so mean I didn't know if we are supposed to be afraid.

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  189. Worfeus there is ONE little fact TT and the reichwingnuts Bushevits minions always LEAVE out, George W Bush NEVER attanded ROTC, OCS or the Air Force Academy to get HIS commision, as an Officer in the National Guard his daddy got some buds in Texas to appoint Georgie a second louie instead of Georgie earning the right to be an Officer in the United States Military, he is even more pathetic than gay-dalf in that regard.

    And Georgie was AWOL his superiors KNEW Poppy was the head of the National GOP party at that time and covered for the little weasel, Georgie was Awol around 1972 and poppy was the national head of the GOP.

    You think some Ltc is gonna write him up at that point?

    That Ltc would be ending his career in the Texas National Guard.

    Just as Poppy covered up and cleaned up georgies bankrupcies and economic disasters in the corporate world through poppy's friends, they just cleaned up Georgies violations of the military regs as well, it happens more than you would think, when a son of a political leader is involved.

    Check out why Al Gore a Spc4 in Vietnam was brought home on orders after only serving 4 months out of a 12 month tour of duty.

    BTW Al Gore Sr was a senator from Tennesse at that time, but his daddy didn't pull the strings, just some army Generals not wanting to have to answer for Al Jr's death so the brought him out of the combat zone.

    Hell waivers are granted for many things and Georgies commander could have waived his requirements to give Georgie a "honorable Discharge" even though Georgie broke the rules.

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  190. BTW Tiny the Liar was just a widdle peeved at my post to Tomcat, it shows the real way the re-pubies operate to undercut the will of the American people in foreign policy.

    Thus his dumb routine or reposting typo's and his widdle ego rants.....

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  191. Well I wish Poppy would clean up this mess for him this time as well

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  192. Thats true Mike, but like he warned us, be lookin for the reinforcements.

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  193. Pretty pathetic that poppy is still changing his dirty diapers at around 60 years old!

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  194. Clif your right the troll didnt like your post as he doesnt like any post that exposes his precious Reich Wing for what they truly are.

    He didnt like your post and he didnt like that there were several new bloggers all engaging in intelligernt respectful discussion.

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  195. Thats what they always tell you in those mobster movies.

    well, I'M not going to hurt you, but SOMEONE may, IF you continue your ....blah blah blah...

    :|

    Know what I mean?

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  196. Shell Oil signs deal with Iran against Bush's wishes.

    Bush can't even control his own oil buddies.

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  197. Well Bush's family is used to doing business with the enemy during a time of war so I don't see why it should bother him.

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  198. Worf said "Thats what they always tell you in those mobster movies.

    well, I'M not going to hurt you, but SOMEONE may, IF you continue your ....blah blah blah...

    :|

    Know what I mean?"

    I always liked the "it would be a real shame if something bad were to happen to you, for being so stubborn and not seeing the error of your ways....after all everyone is not as reasonable and easy going as me"

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  199. He's talking about people getting hurt if this blog doesn't permit right wing articles to be posted endlessly and in their entirety.

    He wants to use this liberal blog as a right wing web publishing platform and he is warning us if that is not going to be permitted, then someone could get hurt.

    A serious "warning" from a serious man.

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