Friday, November 17, 2006

DISARMING THE MADHOUSE

Bush should stay out of his mind; it's a bad neighborhood. Two articles I wrote on this administration, "BUSH'S LAST WILL AND TESTICLE" and "DEATH IS SEXIER THAN SEX (to Ann Coulter), will be reprinted here soon -- or you can find them in various news journals in the sidebar. The books HOW TO TALK TO ANN COULTER, IF YOU MUST ; BLOGGING WITH THE DEVIL and FALLING UP are in the pipeline, not necessarily in that order.



There are those who find themselves exiled
On whom the fortunes never smile
And upon whose lives the heartache has been piled - Jackson Browne "The Only Child"

Ran into several of my favorite people last night: the songwriter whose music changed my life, Jackson Browne — whose music is so beautiful it makes me weep, it actually hurts; Norman Lear (activist and creator of "All in the Family"), Brad Friedman of BradBlog.com and Greg Palast, author of the New York Times bestseller, “Armed Madhouse” (Penguin 2006), about the Bush administration. When Palast, an investigator of corporate fraud and racketeering, turned his skills to journalism, he was quickly recognized as, “The most important investigative reporter of our time” [Tribune Magazine] in Britain, where his first reports appeared on BBC television and in the Guardian newspapers. Palast is also the author of "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy", and is launching an even more crucial investigation into how the right wing steals elections by eliminating Blacks from the voter rolls, and sending them to Iraq. You will not believe how corrupt and anti-American these maniacs are, and the criminal tactics they use in voter registration. Please contribute to the Palast Investigative Fund, which employs a team of investigators all over the world, uncovering the neocons' dense maze of crimes and lies.

Also met Ed Rampell, the prolific journalist, critic and author of many books. His most recent is "Progressive Hollywood." With an introduction by Greg Palast, "Progressive Hollywood" features Rampell's interviews and interactions with Hollywood luminaries such as producers Jerry Bruckheimer and Robert Greenwald; actors Jack Nicholson, Rob Reiner, Mike Farrell, Ed Asner, Martin Sheen, David Clennon, Gore Vidal and Dennis Hopper; directors Michael Moore, Spike Lee, Oliver Stone and Lionel Chetwynd; blacklisted screenwriters Bernie Gordon (who initiated the 1999 protests against Elia Kazan's lifetime achievement Oscar), Bobby Lees (who injected dialectical materialism into Abbott and Costello comedies) and Norma Barzman (author of 2003's The Red and the Blacklist).


Jackson Browne looks so much like my brother, who died a few years ago, it's uncanny. Browne is also a great soul and activist for peace, the downtrodden, the environment and all good Democratic causes. His first album has a song called "Song For Adam", which is about a friend's suicide. After my brother died, I must have played this song 500 times. To this day, I believe Jackson Browne is the best songwriter alive. I love his album LATE FOR THE SKY. His mainstream hits are great, but I really love the songs that never got enough airplay, his hauntingly bittersweet melodies and lyrics mixed with violin, piano and acoustic guitar. Some of my favorites: "The Only Child"; "For A Dancer"; "Fountain of Sorrow", "Before the Deluge", "From SilverLake", "Looking Into You"; "These Days"; "Take It Easy"; "For Everyman" ... and of course "The Pretender"

Jackson Browne was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2004. He is highly respected for both his musical gifts and his integrity. He spends most of his time helping important social causes he believes in. As Bruce Springsteen put it during his speech at the Hall of Fame inductions: "Listen to the chord changes of 'Rock Me On the Water' and 'Before the Deluge,' it's gospel through and through. Now I always thought that... our job here on earth, the way we regain our divinity, our sacredness, and our general good-standing is by reconstructing love and creating love out of the broken pieces that we've been given. That's all we have of human promise. That's the way we prove ourselves in the eyes of God and facilitate our own redemption. Now, to me Jackson Browne's work was always the sound of that reconstruction." Thank you, Jackson, for a creating the soundtrack to our lives.

Lyrics to "Song for Adam"

Though Adam was a friend of mine, I did not know him well
He was alone into his distance
He was deep into his well
I could guess what he was laughing at, but I couldn't really tell
Now the story's told that Adam jumped, but I've been thinking that he fell

Together we went traveling, as we received the call
His destination India, and I had none at all
Well, I still remember laughing with our backs against the wall
So free of fear, we never thought that one of us might fall

I sit before my only candle, but it's so little light to find my way
Now this story unfolds before my candle
Which is shorter every hour as it reaches for the day
But I feel just like a candle in the way
I guess I'll get there, but I wouldn't say for sure

When we parted we were laughing still, as our goodbyes were said
And I never heard from him again as each our lives we led
Except for once in someone else's letter that I read
Until I heard the sudden word that a friend of mine was dead....

Listen to the lyrics of "The Only Child" --

Take good care of your brother
Let the disappointment pass,
Let the laughter fill your glass
Let your illusions last until they shatter...

Take good care of your mother
And remember to be kind
When the pain of another will serve to remind...
That there those who find themselves exiled
on whom the fortunes never smile
And upon whose lives the heartache has been piled...
They're just looking for another only child

And when you've found another soul
Who sees into your own
Take good care of each other
When you're thinking you're alone
Be aware of each other....
Take good care of each other

Check out his website and listen to some of his hits from various concerts: jacksonbrowne.com

I also love Loreena McKennitt "Book of Secrets" #8. It's a haunting Celtic ballad. We played it at our wedding in Malibu, filtered through the oak trees. Sometimes I feel that if you're part Welsh or Irish, as we are, you have Celtic music in your blood. That's why I love the LORD OF THE RINGS soundtrack so much.

560 comments:

  1. LYD!

    Running On Empty???? :-)

    Have a good one, hon.

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  2. Anonymous3:51 PM

    Howdee Carl.

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  3. Lawyers in love???

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  4. I'm amazed this voting fraud hasnt been fixed in the 6 years since the allegations started. i'm sorry defrauding the democratic process and cheating/rigging elections should be considered treason and carry a MANDATORY 20 year sentence for EACH count, and that includes striking people from voter roles, sending out letters to scare them into not voting and setting up road blocks to stop them from getting to the voting precincts.

    A Mandatory 20 year sentence for EACH count would stop it real quick.

    As for Jackson Browne, they are cool, everytime my co-workers get together for our monthly poker game Jackson Browne is on the Radio, Runnin on Empty is the only song I KNOW the name of, but they have alot of great songs.

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  5. Stealth jet quietly slips into history

    F-117A fighter retired after 25 years
    Cutting-edge design cloaked in mystery

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  6. Hey Volt, i'm just curious, if the repug party fractured into two seperate partys with one being

    a Libertarian favoring small gov, that valued personal freedom and constitutional liberties over a police state that values safety over privacy and freedom, and cares about fiscal responsibility.

    and the second being a hardliner Neo Con that favors large deficits, agressive militarism and nation building, and prefers a large powerful goverment that monitors our personal affairs at the expense of freedom and privacy and no checks or balances or oversight on the executive branch which is essentially omnipotent.

    which branch would you support.

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  7. IF they fractured EXACTLY along those lines, Libertarian of course.

    I strongly believe in the concept of the "rugged individual".

    I think MOST people can and would work things out for themselves if government would only stay out of their daily lives and back pockets.

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  8. However, I don't believe in isolationism either.

    Since it IS the American economy that drives the world, and since we have saved it's collective ass time and time again I think they owe us a little something.

    Since every time they break something they look to us to fix it for them maybe they could get behind us and stay in line a little more.

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  9. I be back later I think.

    One of the greatest movies ever made is currently on the Disney channel.

    "Lilo and Stitch".

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  10. Anonymous5:53 PM

    Lilo and Stitch, ay?

    We'll alert the Academy.

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  11. Dolty boy hearts lilo.......

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  12. Mike,you dope....Jackson Brown is one person not a group.

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  13. Oh, yeah ALL those songs and "Sleep's Dark and Silent Gate"; "Here Come Those Tears Again" , "Late for the Sky"

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  14. Republicans Prepare for Internal Fight
    After Two Big Losses, the Virginia Party's Ideological Divide Intensifies

    Laugh at Nancy Pelosi all you want fooles, this is the real headlines as the repugs begin attacking each other for not being "true" repugs.

    Enjoy the "NEW YEAR" and all the upcoming internal battles for the future of the repug party.

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  15. GOP Insider predicts Republican bloodbath --

    Bush "self-destructing"


    Tucked in to the bottom of an article in the New York Daily News about the Hoyer/Murtha election was this little tidbit:

    For all the focus on the Democrats, a former Bush official who predicts a coming bloodbath between the White House and disgruntled conservative Republicans brushed off the Pelosi-Hoyer tussle as much ado about process.

    "The Democrats are the sideshow," he said. "Bush self-destructing is the big story in town."


    The reporters, Tom DeFrank and Ken Bazinet, always have very, very good inside GOP sources.

    The GOP bloodbath will be great fun to watch. Let the games begin.

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  16. Josh Marshall's at TPM take on the upcoming Rudy's Run;

    Perhaps this is something of an existential question. But do we really have to pretend that Rudy Giuliani has more than a snowball's chance in hell of getting the Republican presidential nomination? Or can we all just stipulate that a multiple adulterer, who supports gay civil rights and choice, has deep and on-going ties to mobbed-up and now-disgraced Police boss Bernie Kerik, has a largely unscrutinized (outside of New York) resume, and had the bright idea of locating the NYC disaster center in the already-once-bombed World Trade Center probably will have some rough sledding in Republican primaries?


    -- Josh Marshall

    Looks like Rudy ain't gonna get what he wants in the summer of 08, let alone November 08.

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  17. What I love about Jackson Browne's music (not the mainstream hits as much) is his depth and compassion. He really understands human suffering.

    All great leaders must understand and empathize with the downtrodden, the hungering masses.

    We are all brothers.

    But most of all, it's the way Browne weaves his lyrics with melody.

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  18. Well Lyd, i'm just familiar with the more popular songs, and I guess I never knew Jackson Broene was a solo performer, but I checked out his site and listened to some of his songs and it took me back to a carefree time in my life, in fact anyone remember the tv show BJ and the Bear, the songs remind me of that show..............in fact I love to watch retro movie marathons on Holidays and since i'm on vacation for the next 11 days i'm gonna try to find me some BJ and the Bear DVD's LOL!

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  19. Hidee Ho kids!
    I see Clf is already scared of Rudy Giuliani,thats interesting.Lets see,John McCain or Giuliani,I think I'll take Rudy.Lets see Hillary or Giuliani,I think I'll take Rudy.

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  20. This Mike fellow must lead an exciting life,BJ and the bear along with retro movie marathons,be still my heart.

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  21. Not scared son, just POINTING out Rudy's record which WILL be used as campaign commercials by John McCain, George Romney, Newt Gingrich(though he might shy away from the adultery charges as he has quite a few problems there also).

    Rudy is simply too far left for the repug base.

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  22. Rudy stands as much chance of getting the nomination on the repug side as Zell Miller does for the Democrats.

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  23. how many sock puppets do you have Rusty?

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  24. One for each fantasy girlfriend he uses them for when he is NOT here.

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  25. a fool said "This Mike fellow must lead an exciting life,BJ and the bear along with retro movie marathons,be still my heart."

    Well punk taking one day out of an 11 day day vacation to remember a carefree time in my youth sure beats being a pathetic blog troll almost EVERY day!

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  26. As for fantisizing about Rudy two years from now, well it least you REALIZE you lost BIGTIME and are thinking lonterm too bad for you instead of REALLY thinking longterm you are just daydreaming about vindication thatr will never come from the drubbing you clowns took, your party cut its own throat, America is Fed up with the lies BS a and corruption, unless the dems REALLY screw up the repugs are done for a generation.

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  27. Mike - did you say BJ and the Bear? I never watched that show, but I did a celeb signing with the lead actor Greg Evigan at the Riviera in Vegas once.

    I just posted the lyrics to Jackson Browne's song ADAM. Please download that song and really listen to it. And all the others I listed.

    Also Loreena McKennitt, the Celtic singer I just posted.

    xo

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  28. Bush will self destruct in the next two years.

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  30. Hey Mikey,will mum and dad watch bj and the bear with you?

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  31. Never watched BJ and the Bear????, it was a cool show,

    I was poking around Jackson Browne's site, he does have some great Lyrics, i'll check out the song Adam tomorrow, maybe i'll pick up some Cd's and DVd's of BOTH this week, I love classic rock and all the old songs from the 70's and early 80's........They were CONSTANTLY playing Jackson Browne and Pat Bennatar on BJ and The Bear...............I know Worf will remember it.

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  32. The question of the month.....drum roll please...is Mike going to move out of his parents place after the holidays?

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  33. Change sockpuppets Rusty/Mr Mackey et al.........

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  34. you wanna come over too for BJ and The Bear and some turkey Rusty?

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  35. I'll tell you that Mike is a connoisseur of fine entertainment.

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  36. Only if mums there Mikey.

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  37. we can send dad for a walk.

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  38. So Mikey,answer the question,are you planning to move out of your parents place.

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  39. and I can put a stake through your heart and after I cap you with a silver bullet!

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  40. You think your real cute Jarod.

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  41. Mikey,I recently went to the fair Lydias site,much to my amazement I found that she sells 20 year old revealing photo's of herself for 20 bucks a pop.Is that how she makes her living? How many of those photos have you bought?I'm guessing you bedromm walls are covered with them.

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  42. Mikey,never let your mouth write a check you ass cant cash.In your case, considering the size of your ass that would be one big check.

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  43. Again,ar you moving out on mum and dad?

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  44. I am laughing so hard I fell off my chair. The conversation between Sybil and Mike (the seven faces of Rusty-mackey-moo moo/Sybil) is so ridiculously silly, I had to run out of the room

    You guys are very funny. You need your own sitcom.

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  45. You know the neighbors are talking,a single guy,pushing 40 without a female companion still living with his parents.....seems a bit strange.Dont you think?

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  46. Ah Lydia,perhaps I'll buy one of those old photo's,or perhaps the next time you're in Las Vegas I can take one myself.You game?

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  47. Rusty, fans from as far as Estonia, China, Iceland and Greenland actually buy these "20-year-old" vintage photos. Our show is a big hit in Germany by the way.

    And for some reason the 80's are back in a big way, so yes I sell these and donate the proceeds to charity.

    But thank you for asking.

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  48. Game for what? If you're in the audience you better not shoot me.

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  49. Mikey,perhaps you could join us.

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  50. how come the show has never been shown here since it went off the air?

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  51. Heaven's no Lyd. I work for Mirage.

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  52. I began my career in Atlantic City,then went to work for Wynn and stayed with Mirage when he sold out.

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  53. you a programmer?

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  54. Lydia,if you donate the proceeds to charity I offer me humble apology. I'm sorry.

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  55. No Mike.....the gaming industry.

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  56. Loreena McKennitt is one of the finest, albeit least appreciated, musical artists ever to perform.

    Her music is often the result of many years of research. Her crystalline pure voice lilting above intricate rhythmic patterns, embody a hauntingly perfect blend of Celtic and Middle Eastern influences.

    Ironically her beautiful songs, which provide a glimpse into ancient tales of mystery, may often be found in the "New Age" section of the music store. Her biggest commercial hit was "Mummer's Dance" which was remixed with heavier percussion to be more popular with radio audiences.

    Ms. Cornell, while your politics are woefully misguided, your musical tastes exquisite.

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  57. I thought of you when she posted that FF, I remember you had said that almost a year ago.

    BTW, i'm kind a curious, would you mind answering the same question I asked Volt near the top of the blog.

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  58. FF - thank you. I really appreciate your musical sensibilities too. Yes, Mummer's Dance is beautiful too.

    Rusty, you mean you work in Vegas? Are you saying you are not Moo Moo?

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  59. Volt did a fine job of answering your question, Mike. I concur.

    Bloated, corrupt, intrusive government is a trademark of the democrat party. The Republicans lost the last election because they lost their Conservative principles, so they lost the confidence and the votes of their base.

    The famous economist, writer, and my mentor, Milton Friedman passed away yesterday. We have lost the inimitable talents of one of the greatest Americans ever to articulate the essence of America's Conservative foundation.

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  60. So you agree that the Bush administration and former repug congress is not fiscally responsible, supports large government and prefers a large powerful goverment that monitors our personal affairs at the expense of freedom and privacy and no checks or balances or oversight on the executive branch which is essentially omnipotent. they also support aggressive militarism and nation building which to me seem in direct opposition to tax cuts.....................so what i'm wondering is why you guys supported them so vehemently over the last year when they basically spit on classic conservative and Libertarian core principles.

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  61. Me moo moo? Bite your tongue.

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  62. I support Republicans to the extent they embrace Conservative values. To the extent they don't they are really dhimmicrats in drag, and they can kiss my perky ass.

    Dhimmicrats like hillary must pretend to be Conservatives so they can get elected. However, these politicians are betrayed by their enthusiastic support from victocrats, socialists and leftist America-haters who understand what they really believe.

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  63. Mike,those of us with conservative leanings do not walk in lock step,we abide by principals that include low taxes,a strong military,controlled spending and family values,which include no killing of unborn babies,prayer in schools,saying "merry christmas," marriage being between a man and a woman,small government and the ten commandments.

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  64. Mike, the reason TCFC is not on here anymore (it was on Nick at Nite and E-Channel on and off for several years) is because Don Taffner, who owns Three's Company and Benny Hill (Thames Television) won't sell it to the American TV market. He wants to make a killing on the DVD release I suppose.

    Who knows? One thing: TCFC is too racy for Nick at Night because Ted Knight and Nancy sleep in the same bed, are in love, and we have very advanced shows that are a little too racy for fundamentalist audiences today. I know this makes no sense in light of all the reality Tv and paris Hilton soft-core stuff, but our show really explored some progressive issues.

    Basically, it's all about how they can make the most money though.

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  65. The failure of the Republican party in last weeks election was because the party strayed from its core.They did'nt control spending,they did'nt ban partial birth abortion,they did'nt enact a marriage bill and they did'nt blow the shit out of Iraq.

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  66. Rusty, what about CHRISTS Sermon on the Mount (the "Blesseds"/ the Beatitudes)

    The Ten Commandments are fine, but they are only half. Without Christ's message of love and forgiveness, there is no Christianity. Mosaic law was fundamentalist and all about the "thou shalt nots"

    What's wrong with fundamentalism today is they leave out the Christ. "The Christ" is the office of Jesus, the Christ. He came to bring the new law: love your neighbor as yourself, bless your enemies, bless those who persecute you... and you will see miracles. And mainly, GOD IS WITHIN YOU, not outside of you.

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  67. Anonymous11:56 PM

    I doubt ole crusty rusty is moo moo. He's said where he works many times and invited people there. Most likely hes a pit boss or some kind of security or bouncer. He might even be some kind of mobster. Who knows? But moo moo is in Canada, with Lydia's husbands ex.

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  68. Anonymous11:58 PM

    Lydia Cornell said...
    And mainly, GOD IS WITHIN YOU, not outside of you.


    Actually the he said the Kingdom of Heaven is within you, but I get your meaning.

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  69. Anonymous12:00 AM

    Lydia Cornell said...
    So is Moo Moo Clippy?


    Who knows? It seems like it, and rusty seems like a moo moo, but rusty's too open about where he works and such. He also has invited you to his casino, so he must work there. I'm betting pit boss. Or he could be a dealer.

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  70. The Republican party needs to return to its roots of Goldwater and the Old Cowboy.Compassionate Conservative is a stupid term,who ever coined it should be hung by their thumbs.

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  71. Rusty and FF -- one more thing. Over and over in Christ's teaching he says: PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR.

    If you are living in fear or worry, you are not obeying God, for God is love. God (love) casts out fear.

    So how can you "bomb the shit out of Iraq" out of fear they may someday hurt you?

    How can you retaliate and create worldwide fear and war based on a few terrorists bombing the World Trade Center? No country called Iraq attacked us!

    Why create war out of generalized fear? It's criminal and it breaks God's laws.

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  72. Anonymous12:01 AM

    Maybe he's a vegas showgirl.

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  73. Anonymous12:03 AM

    Custy the Clown said...

    Compassionate Conservative is a stupid term,who ever coined it should be hung by their thumbs.

    Uhhh, that would be Karl Rove.

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  74. Anonymous12:03 AM

    Rusty is Crusty

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  75. All that is well and good Lydia but the fact is,like it or not,good or bad we are there.Do we just walk away? Do we increase our presence? Do we stay status quo?

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  76. Wuffy,you're just not that bright.

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  77. All your talk about cutting and running is just that,talk.What the hell do we do with the situation? If we walk away you can kiss the mideast good bye and Israel along with it.Is that what you libs want?

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  78. Anonymous12:08 AM

    Men like Crusty are always going to chose killing Lydia. I don't understand it, but its war they love. When their is no war, they create it.

    They love war, until they're in one.

    We're not in a war yet. Iraq is a military occupation, nothing more. When we're in a war we'll know it.

    And when that happens, when we have to fight armies equal or greater in size and resources and technology, to our own, then we'll all want to play nice again.

    Only this time, it might be too late.

    This time, our firepower might just outweigh our brainpower.

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  79. Rusty is also Wufuss dufuss, he let that slip one day.

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  80. God is the force of love within all of us. If God is the sun, we are the rays. God (the Kingdom of heaven) is within us, all of us. "Is it not written ... ye are gods?" (John) We reflect God, we are animated by spirit.

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  81. Or do you want to sit down and have a pow wow with this friggin nut running Iran?

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  82. You think the guy in Iran would buy one of Lydias pictures or would he put her in a Burka?

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  83. "PERFECT LOVE CASTS OUT FEAR."

    Ms. Cornell, folks have many emotions. Sometimes love is appropriate, sometimes fear.

    Conservatives want Iraq to cast out the insurgents, become a democracy and prosper.

    Narcissistic liberals want us to immediately pull out and leave the good Iraqis to be consumed by the wolves, and possibly be taken over by Iran.

    Germany is nice tour of duty, but our troops belong in Iraq as long as the Iraqi people want us to stay.

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  84. Anonymous12:11 AM

    Crusty the Clown said...

    If we walk away you can kiss the mideast good bye and Israel along with it.Is that what you libs want?


    No.

    Thats why we told you idiots not to go. Remember the word "quagmire" genius?

    Yea. You know. The one you heard about 7500 times between February 03 and March 03. The one we told you you'd be in if you went ahead with your lone wolf war.

    But you wouldn't listen. You mighty warriors who've never seen war, knew better than everyone else.

    Well look at you now.

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  85. As usual wufuss,you have a flowery comment but never an idea for a solution.Your so common.

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  86. Hey wufuss,here's a news flash....we'er there,forget about who said what,it does'nt matter.

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  87. Anonymous12:14 AM

    Oh crusty blow it out your ear. The nut in Iran has more American education than you you feckless thug.

    You're so afraid of him move to the Swiss Alps and become a nun.

    As for me, I think the day that guy is a threat to us, is the day we back him into a corner, and not a day earlier.

    You big chickenshit.

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  88. Like the Alanon program, disengage, remove ourselves and the babies have to walk on their own; People always rise to the occasion when you let go. The minute we leave, there will be a growing pain, strife, but it will all even out. They will emerge a new nation with their own new leaders, like it or not. If we stay, the cost is too high. Needless deaths.

    We have to give up our imperialistic desperation for oil and power bases.

    But since James Baker is the Saudi's chief attorney, and has his own office in the White House, this whole mess is much more complicated.

    Too bad we aren't focusing on creating our own energy at home.

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  89. Wufuss,you sit behind your keyboard throwing rocks at the past without any sensible solution to the oresent situation.Stop reading the talking points and try and be a usefull citizen.

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  90. Rusty it is already done but you do NOT really understand global strategy in the middle east, Iran Played Bush like a cheap banjo in Iraq, and now the Shiites are going after the Sunni's with a vengence, just before the US militaries final push, ..Once that fails, it will be all out WAR between the Sunni's and Shiites for control, but Maliki and the Shiites got the US military to destroy much of the Sunni resistance.

    Our supply lines are too long to remain stable in a full out civil war, because BOTH sides would attack fort supplies for their side, and to deny the US the ability to affect the outcome.

    The Battle for Baghdad is ONLY the beginning of the Civil War because the real prise is the areas to the east and south of Baghdad where the Shiites and Sunnis were mixed. The other regional players Iran and Syria on the Shiite side, and Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey on the Sunni side will increase their support for those they back, which actually places Washington in the curious position of backing the side which is against the rest of our allies in the region, and supporting the Shiites until Iran steps directly into the fray.

    At that point expect a total meltdown with the American Military fighting to control the MSR's just to keep supplies flowing into the theater. The central government will be the first casualty, and even at this point is breaking up on sectarian lines.

    And there is NO way 140,000 troops who are on their THIRD deployment will have much affect if the two sides decide to go for broke and the Civil war explodes.

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  91. Anonymous12:19 AM

    Rusty Shackelford said...
    As usual wufuss,you have a flowery comment but never an idea for a solution.Your so common.


    As usual idiots like you make a mess, and then expect smart people to come in and fix your mess.

    Why is it the Liberals problem?

    Its your mess. And you can't clean it up.

    And you know why? Cause sometimes in life, when you go against all logical men and their advice, and do the thing they told you not to do, sometimes the end result they told you is all you've got left.

    As much as you want to make lemonade out of your lemon, it just may be too late for that.

    Remember when you were a kid, and your dad told you not to drive your big wheel off the back porch roof, or it would be broken and so would you? But you just had to do it anyway. So you learn to live with a cast, and you toss the broken big wheel in the trash and save up to buy a new one. Why?

    Because you were too stupid to listen to someone smarter than you.

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  92. You people cant see beyond your noses.No wonder you only win an election every 12 years.Iraq and Iran are the keys to the arch.Use your friggin brains for something other then being back bench bomb throwers.

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  93. Rusty, Tell me, why do so many red-state tourists, grandmothers, and prudes visit Vegas? How can they stand the naked billboards? I am horrifiied to let my children see women in G-strings walking around.

    I saw a family from Kentucky, with 7-year-old children, all dressed in prim and proper church clothes, posing for photos in front of the "Crazy Girls" naked butt sculpture. It was a scene out of a Fellini movie.

    So what do you think of strip clubs? How can you work in Vegas and not be jaded by all the flesh? You sound kind of normal-ish.

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  94. Iraq Turns Up The Heat

    By now, anyone with a lick of sense can see that the war in Iraq has been a dead-loss. Still, few people understand how it has disrupted the region’s strategic balance and is quickening America’s decline as a world power.

    The US is already facing fierce headwinds in the near future with the deflating housing market, the falling dollar, and the growing prospects of a deep recession. A sudden realignment in the Middle East would be a major hit to the American economy. Even so, it’s looking more and more like big changes are on the way.

    The problem is that American power is waning just as Iran’s is ascendant. This doesn’t bode well for the “Great Satan” whose economy relies on dependable sources of cheap oil.

    Iran is playing a clever game in Iraq using US occupation forces to crush the Ba’athist-led resistance while expanding their influence via the Shiite militias. This is a “lose-lose” situation for the United States. American troops must continue to focus on one enemy while they inadvertently strengthen the other. How long will it be before the Bush administration sees that they’ve been supporting the very group which is most hostile to American interests?

    The smarter strategy would have been to replace Saddam but leave the Ba’ath Party in power. That way civil services and government bureaucracy could have continued without radical changes to the entire system. The Bush plan was the fast-track to anarchy, a phenomenon which now grips the entire country. Undoubtedly, the veteran-diplomats in James Baker’s “Iraq Study Group” will want to engage the leaders of the Iraqi resistance as a last-ditch effort to cobble together a coalition government and stem the violence. But time is running out.

    The mass kidnapping of 150 employees at the Education Ministry shows that the Shiite militias in the Interior Ministry are getting more brazen by the day. The gunmen stormed the building in broad daylight wearing government-issue uniforms and abducted their victims without a struggle. Prime Minister al-Maliki offered a feeble defense of the kidnappers saying that it was “not an act of terrorism” but merely a dispute between competing militias.

    Al-Maliki has clearly cast his lot with his Shiite base.

    While the militias do not take their orders directly from Tehran, it’s clear that there’s a tacit agreement between the two and their objectives are nearly identical. Both are determined to defeat the Sunni-led resistance so that the Ba’ath Party can never return to power. The mass abductions show that they are moving as quickly as possible to execute their strategy.

    The US military has fallen into a trap and is (unwittingly) helping Iran expand its influence. In fact, Bush’s plan to increase troop-strength by 20,000 in Baghdad just makes it easier for the militias to operate. The heavy American presence on the streets and checkpoints forces the Sunni resistance to remain underground while the Shiite militias conduct their round-ups and raids with complete impunity. It’s no wonder they’ve stepped up operations in recent weeks. The talk of an American withdrawal following the midterms has only increased their determination to crush the resistance while American troops still provide cover.

    Who could have imagined that US forces would be acting as security guards for Iranian-backed militias?

    In fact, members of the Iranian political establishment like Pirouz Mojtahedzadeh are now openly calling “for the US to REMAIN in Iraq until it has established a strong, stable central government capable of providing adequate security.” (Kim Murphy LA Times)

    Of course, Iranians have to be discreet in their support for the ongoing occupation, but the truth is obvious; Bush is laying the groundwork for a fundamentalist regime in Baghdad by quashing the secular, Ba’athist-backed resistance.

    Does Bush really believe he can control a Shiite-dominated government? Or does he really understand what’s going on?

    Can’t he see that the US-Shiite alliance is simply a “marriage of convenience” that will end as soon as the Sunnis are sufficiently weakened and there is no longer a threat of them returning to power?

    The Baker group was formed as a last-gasp attempt to avert the greatest foreign policy train-wreck in American history. It’s no surprise that Bush and Israeli PM Olmert decided to conduct their high-level meetings on the same day that the Iraq Study Group met in the Oval Office. It was clearly meant to subvert Baker’s impact on the news-cycle. As soon as Bush had used Baker as a prop for his public relations photo-op (showing Bush’s “openness to new ideas”) the ex-diplomats were bundled out the servants’ exit so Bush could put the final touches on the plans for bombing Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    The whole event was perfectly choreographed to marginalize Baker and undermine the group’s recommendations.

    This just proves that Bush’s throttling in the midterm elections has had no effect whatsoever. He’s still firmly in Cheney’s clutches and edging ever-closer to Armageddon. There’s no indication that anything substantial has changed.

    Cheney’s approach is fundamentally flawed. It will take more than laser-guided munitions or “bunker busting” bombs to beat Iran. In fact, that will only speed up America’s inevitable withdrawal from Iraq. Even if half of Iran is buried beneath glowing-nuclear rubble, they still have the wherewithal to take out every oil tanker, every oil field, every oil depot, every oil-platform, and every oil pipeline in the entire gulf region. How long will America’s teetering economy persist with its Middle East arteries slashed and oil futures shooting through the stratosphere.

    Then, of course, Iran has the option of smuggling high-tech weaponry, anti-tank missiles and the whole array of military hardware into Iraq, where they can swiftly cut off supply-lines, wreak havoc across the country, and force an American retreat.

    A war against Iran is a foolhardy scheme that has no chance of succeeding.

    Communiqué connects Iran to Iraqi Militias

    A chilling communiqué from the Shiite-led “Badr Brigade” has appeared in Alliraqnews. The message warns of an agreement between the Sunnis and the “Anglo-American occupation forces” which threatens the continued dominance of the Shiite-led government. Leaders from the Badr Brigade” intend to intensify their attacks on all “public offices and institutions”, to “neutralize the activities of journalists, media and intellectuals”, to undermine “any attempt to rebuild the Iraqi army”, and prepare for “an armed confrontation” with the enemy.

    The message calls on all Shiites, including employees in the “Ministry of Defense and Interior Ministry to join the Badr Brigade, the Mahdi Army, and the Al-Dawa Party, to continue stealing weapons and equipment” to get ready for the conflagration.

    The communiqué adds ominously: “The government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, providing us with all weapons and equipment for the battle, as well as the preparations of troops from the Revolutionary Guards for rapid intervention near the border areas.”

    The message is signed by the Secretary-General Badr Organization.

    Whether the communiqué is authentic or not is almost irrelevant. The blueprint is indistinguishable from the pattern of activity on the ground. The militias are using the occupation to strengthen their base and ready themselves for the inevitable confrontation with US forces. Behind the scenes, Iran is patiently waiting for America’s hourglass to run out of sand.

    Prime Minister Al-Maliki has aligned himself with the main Shiite militias. He has issued a warrant for Harith al-Dhari, the head of Iraq’s prestigious Association of Muslim Scholars, on the charges of “inciting violence and terrorism among the Iraqi people”. It is a baseless claim intended to drive the Sunnis to out of the government and set the stage for a Shiite dominated-regime.

    The Sunnis have left according to plan. There will be no coalition government and civil war is all but certain. The bloodbath has just begun.

    Bush has opened Pandora’s Box and there’ll be a terrible price to pay. He has allowed Iran to take root in Baghdad and upset the regional balance of power. Now, there really are no easy solutions. The only question is whether the impending holocaust is containable or if it will consume the entire region.

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  95. Anonymous12:21 AM

    As you good ole boys like to say, that horse may have already left the barn.

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  96. Wuffy,thank you for making my point,you have nothing to say except "I told you."

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  97. We have to give up our imperialistic desperation for oil and power bases.
    -Lydia Cornell

    We have no imperialistic designs on Iraq. Everyone would love to leave as soon as it is possible to do so without creating a disaster. Everyone would also love to free of dependence upon foreign oil. Yet Libs will not allow drilling off our own coasts or even in ANWAR, one the most desolate places in the world.

    Too bad we aren't focusing on creating our own energy at home.
    -Lydia Cornell

    Thankfully California's prop 87 failed despite the enthusiastic support from algore and bill clinton. Innovation comes from the private sector not government bureaucrats. Conservatives trust the free market whereas libs worship government, notwithstanding its record of failure to economically provide goods and services.

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  98. Lyd,Las Vegas reinvents itself every 10 or 15 years.Remember 10 years ago when it was a family destination,trying to vie with Disney,you know the roller coaster in New York and the pirates at Treasure Island.Well now its back to sin city...what ever happens in Las Vegas,stays in Las Vegas.

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  99. Rusty Shackelford said...

    Wuffy,thank you for making my point,you have nothing to say except "I told you."



    Rusty, in 1945 that was all the German people who did not want Hitler to attack Poland could say also....

    you might make FUN of what I KNOW, but what is happening NOW is what I said last spring would happen.

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  100. So Rusty, you're saying STAY THE CURSE until we've lost every soldier? It's like feeding the beast; he will never be satiated because we are not operating on principle. It's all style over substance.

    The underlying principle is let people govern themselves, and let the chips fall where they may. We must withdraw completely.

    We are not wanted there.

    If you believe in God, let God correct the course. There is a divine principle in the universe and it will correct the course of destruction.

    Staying is wrong in every way, and is against the course of nature, LIFE.

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  101. Actually Las Vegas away from the strip and downtown is not a bad place to live and raise a family.

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  102. Let go and let God.
    Cease fighting everyone and everything.
    That's when miracles happen.

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  103. Anonymous12:31 AM

    cRusty Shackelford said...
    Actually Las Vegas away from the strip and downtown is not a bad place to live and raise a family.


    Yea.

    A crime family.

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  104. It is way too late to try for a victory in Iraq, because the Shiites there have almost what THEY want, so they will begin to go after the Sunni's and force them OUT of the Iraqi Government, and begin to stabilize their territory, while going after the areas they feel they need once Iraq breaks up, and they will have IRANS backing at that point, what do YOU suggest Bush do at this point, Turn 180, and begin to back the Sunni's against the Shiites, or keep giving the Shiites cover for their designs.

    the country IS breaking UP because they DO not want to be in ONE country together anymore, this summer when Bush ET Al were saying Iraq was stabilizing and ignoring the rising violence destroyed any possibility of the separate sects of Iraq remaining in a single country just as Yugoslavia did in the early 1990's Iraq is breaking up because of the Violence which followed the down fall of Saddam.

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  105. Well kids this conversation has been fun but I'm going home to get some sleep.I came over to the office on a Fri.night because the former head coach of Michigan died today and they are playing Ohio State tomorrow,oh hell today,and a bunch of sentilmental money has come in on Michigan which changed the line a bit.It seems people will bet on anything.

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  106. The country IS broke, and we can no longer put it back together any more.

    They want to fight over who controls what, and we are reduced to refereeing the civil war, or getting OUT of the way.

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  107. Sorry Rusty Freedom Fan, Voltron, the war is LOST because the people ON the ground NO longer want OUR version of their country.

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  108. Let go and let God. Cease fighting everyone and everything. That's when miracles happen.
    -Lydia Cornell

    Miracles happen when people use their God-given talents to make them happen.

    Sometimes force is necessary. If everyone did not believe that, then we could disband our military, our police, destroy all our weapons and open our prisons.

    We may disagree on where to use force, but to pretend it is never necessary is ludicrous.

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  109. The baker group might have been able to save the country if they assembled in early 2004 and then were allowed to dictate policy, but the hubris and stubbornness of both Bush and Rumsfeld doomed this fiasco.

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  110. The Iranians KNOW that we no longer can reassemble the country of IRAQ, so they are simply biding their time until they get to negotiate with the Shiite territory of the Former country of Iraq. The Sunni's will be stuck out in Anbar province and what they can HOLD around Baghdad, with the Kurds up North fighting off both the Turks and Iranians to keep the Kurdish populations of both countries subjugated.

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  111. In Vietnam parlance we are in 1971-1972 time period, but Bush and the pentagon do NOT admit the Shiites do NOT want a stable democracy that includes the Sunni's anymore. And the Shiites are willing to GIVE the Kurds their territory to

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  112. Sorry Rusty Freedom Fan, Voltron, the war is LOST because the people ON the ground NO longer want OUR version of their country.
    -Clif

    Yes, please persuade all your democrat Presidential contenders to lead with that one: We concede defeat in Iraq. Vote for us.

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  113. I hope WE don't become as vicious towards each other as the Sunnis and Shiites.

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  114. Foole it is NOT conceding defeat, it is what is happening ON the ground, We do not control Anbar province, and any other Sunni territory. The Shiites are forcing the Sunni's OUT of the Government, and will have MORE "police" sponsored Kidnappings of Sunni's to force them to MOVE away.

    Keep the delusional thinking we have some magic plan to reassemble the country, and make the Sunni's and Shiites to become friends and want to remain in ONE country together,

    If that can NOT be done, the WAR to create a democracy inside the country of IRAQ is lost, the country will break UP into three sectarian sections based on the three major sects.

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  115. Anonymous12:51 AM

    Actually I disagree Clif. The war is not lost. Because in order for the war to be lost, we'd have to be in a war. We're not. Our occupation of Iraq (occupation is what everyone in the world but us call it) has proven unsuccessful, as the Iraqi people have shown they have a mind of their owns.

    Imagine that.

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  116. Lydia, that will only happen IF a section of the country see themselves as the ONLY voice of GOD and the rest of us Heretics.

    Which is NOT outside of the realm of possibilities, given the desire of some on the far right to continuously demonise everything they disagree with.

    People LIKE Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Riely.......who are NOT honest nor accept a large majority of the people of this country as real American Patriots.

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  117. Anonymous12:55 AM

    But the war we're supposed to be fighting, is the war on terror, whatever the hell that means. Personally I think its a Stupid name with a capital S. War on terror. The best way to fight the war on terror is to arrest terrorists.

    Period.

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  118. Anonymous12:55 AM

    Not by creating more of them.

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  119. Worfeus the "war" is lost, but Bush has NOT given UP on his vision, just as Nixon could not give up, so the worst is yet to come.

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  120. Anonymous12:57 AM

    War on terror. What a stupid name.

    Makes us look like fools.

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  121. Far more people were killed in Vietnam after 1968 than before......and BY 1968, the pentagon admitted they could not "win" with the strategy Westmoreland was using.

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  122. Anonymous1:03 AM

    Sorry Clif, I just don't see Iraq as a war. I'm not belittling it, its just that war usually means two countries have mutually declared war on each other.

    We invaded Iraq. Now we are occupying them. They are rebelling against it. Who really expected them to do otherwise? Anyway I see Iraq as an invasion, and occupation of a foriegn nation that has not declared war on us, nor is there a uniformed army fighting us enmasse like they did in Viet Nam. We are occupying Iraq like the Nazi's occupied Poland, and just like the Polish resistance the Iraqi's are killing their occupiers and their own people that support their occupiers, and with whatever means is available to them.

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  123. Anonymous1:04 AM

    War is what we're going to have if we keep pissing off the rest of the world.

    Right now, the only thing George W Bush and his policies are helping us acheive is rogue nation status.

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  124. Worfeus, it is a war, because the Shiites in Both Iraq, and Iran thru Chalibi out maneuvered Cheney and Bush and got them to destroy Saddam and the Baathists, something they could NEVER do on their own. they have been fighting to gain control of the majority of the country NOT occupied by the Kurds leaving the Sunni's out west in the desolate regions there.

    the Shiites are beginning to set themselves UP for the first battle's they fight, they have gotten Bush Et Al to fight the first two, Topple Saddam, and destroy the Sunni-Baathist dominance in the country.

    NOW they want to push the Sunni's out of the areas south and east of Baghdad, and establish dominance over that region which includes all ports on the Persian Gulf where the vast majority of Iraqi oil is exported.

    This has been a War but fought by different people for different goals, and since the Shiites have been the MOST successful at achieving their goals they have WON.

    Since the Shiites are natural allies of IRAN, their Victory is also a victory by Iran, which means BUSH lost.

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  125. To realize the reason I say the Shiites have already won, YOU need to understand the Vietnamese War was decided in 1968 during TET.

    After that all that was being decided was HOW soon we would leave, and when we no longer would pay the bill for Saigon, which was all the North needed to reunify the country.

    Tet proved that everything we had done up to that point did very little to impact the ability of the Vietcong to attack when and where they choose.

    And since Johnson had been saying we were winning TET destroyed that MYTH, which set the stage for the disillusion for the majority of Americans to continue the war. But Nixon could NOT accept that fact so he tried "peace with honor" which was doomed to failure unless we were willing to fund the Vietnamese government in Saigon at a higher rate than we fund Israel right now.

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  126. With OUT the American army and the Green zone it provides there would be NO Iraqi government just militias which were fighting for control of the divided portions of provinces, and ending up where it probably will anyway, Three separate states, which are much weaker and far less stable than Iraq under Saddam was.

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  127. Mike, tell us why you are so in favor of the Fairness Doctrine. Is it because you think that all anti-terrorist messages should countered with pro-terrorist messages, you know, just to be fair.

    Do you really think the Fairness Doctrine promotes true freedom of speech, or does it just regulate political speech even more. If you are against McCain-Feingold, why would you favor the Fairness Doctrine?

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  128. The Slapdown of Polarization
    With Democrats now equal partners in power, Bush seems ready to turn the equation to his advantage.
    By Eleanor Clift
    Newsweek
    Updated: 11:59 a.m. MT Nov 10, 2006
    Nov. 10, 2006 -

    Republican pollster Neil Newhouse knew the day his party lost the Senate. It was Sept. 29, and he circled it on his calendar. That was the morning excerpts from Bob Woodard’s book “State of Denial” broke, chronicling an administration in disarray that was not being truthful with the American people about how bad things were in Iraq.

    That same day, a congressional committee issued a report documenting 400-plus contacts between indicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and the White House, and Republican congressman Mark Foley resigned after revelations that he had pursued underage congressional pages.

    Newhouse said the date is “burned in my mind” just like another date in another era—Oct. 19, 1982—when unemployment hit 10.1 percent and signaled big losses in Congress for the GOP and President Reagan. These catalytic events have the impact of freezing the electorate, Newhouse told an audience gathered for post-election analysis at the nonpartisan Israel Project in Washington. “We just couldn’t move the numbers,” he said, despite a mountain of negative advertising, which another panelist, Chicago Tribune columnist Clarence Page, termed "PHD," a term of art for mud-slinging “piled high and deep.”

    The breadth of the Republican defeat is a long overdue slapdown of Karl Rove’s politics of polarization. Democrats did well across the country, holding their own for the first time in the post-9/11 era with white men and, according to some exit poll estimates, getting close to a third of the evangelical vote. President Bush in his morning-after news conference struck a conciliatory tone, suggesting “common ground” with the Democrats on raising the minimum wage. This wasn’t his first rodeo, he said, implying he knows how to take a fall and get back up.

    Bush appears ready to trade in six years of hard-right governance for two years of conciliatory conservatism. It’s always been an open question what Bush actually believes in, beyond winning. He became president by campaigning as a compassionate conservative but junked that persona on Rove’s recommendation once he took office. According to the new book, “Building Red America,” by former Washington Post reporter Thomas Edsall, Rove acted on the advice of pollster Matthew Dowd, who found that the 2000 vote recount had so polarized the electorate there were too few swing voters left on which to base a centrist governing strategy.

    Rallying the base with red-meat rhetoric and policies to match became the governing philosophy of the Bush presidency. The strategy imploded with this election, and Dowd is now doing interviews advocating bipartisanship in his role as Arnold Schwarzenegger’s adviser. Schwarzenegger won re-election with a 17-point margin after moderating his image, hiring a Democrat as his chief of staff and promising not to call Democrats “girly men” any more. For Dowd, a highly regarded analyst, these shifting strands of advice are just another day at the office. For Bush and the country, the politics of polarization has had tragic consequences.

    It’s not too late for Bush to revert to the Texas model of working with Democrats that served him so well. Before Bush came to Washington and fell under the spell of the neocons, he wasn’t tethered to right-wing ideology. He was molded by Rove and shaped by the intense competitiveness instilled in him by his family. He and Rove have an ongoing contest as to who can read more books this year. “I’m losing,” Bush told reporters, taking a jab at Rove, “Obviously I worked harder on the campaign trail than he did.” Now that Bush has more time, he should add to his reading list Doris Kearns Goodwin’s book on the “Team of Rivals” that Lincoln put together to win the Civil War.

    Democrats are equal partners in power, an equation Bush can turn to his advantage. He has a vested interest in working with congressional leaders to share the burden of Iraq and to find agreement on some domestic issues. Bush can learn from the way President Clinton charted his comeback after the Democrats’ loss of Congress in 1994. Clinton “triangulated,” joining with the Republicans to pass welfare reform and a balanced budget and distancing himself from the old-line liberal Democrats. Clinton cared more about his legacy than any bond with congressional Democrats. One-party rule hadn’t worked for him anyway; the Democratic-controlled Congress never even gave his wife’s health-care plan a vote.

    Clinton found a kindred spirit in Speaker Newt Gingrich. The two men became so enamored of each other’s brilliance and grasp of the big picture that monitors were assigned on each side. Majority leader Dick Armey, who was there to rein in Newt’s enthusiasms, recalls Vice President Al Gore, acting as a check on Clinton, physically restraining the president from giving away too much to his negotiating partner.

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  129. Eleanor Clift,now theres a real nonpartisan view. You guys have way too much time on your hands scouring web sites looking for articles that agree with you.Do you just discard any opposing view?
    Instead of wasting your time like this why dont you do some work,help keep americas economic engine running.

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  130. Anonymous11:12 AM

    You mean like you?

    Praying on peoples greed for a living?

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  131. Anonymous11:15 AM

    Yea, thats a real patriotic calling you've got there.

    Making a living off the vices of others.

    Your family should be proud.

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  132. You guys have way too much time on your hands scouring web sites looking for articles that agree with you. Do you just discard any opposing view?
    -rusty shackleford

    Actually that's exactly what libs do. For example, the most popular cable TV show last Wednesday evening was on CNN -- Glen Beck's Exposed: The Extremist Agenda. Undoubtedly few libs here and elsewhere ever dared to watch this show because it demonstrates the threat posed by radical Islam. The video exposes how the mainstream media is silent with regard to the diet of hatred being constantly fed by our enemies to their children, shouted to the Muslim masses by their religious leaders, and how Iran's lunatic president is itching for the chance to use a nuclear weapon on the Great Satan -- us.

    Watching this, would shatter the lib world view that the greatest threat to the world is posed by George Bush and his Christian fundmentalist minions who have the audacity to oppose gay marriage, so they just don't watch it. But they are very good at making up excuses why watching such "right-wing" propaganda is worthless.

    As another example, witness the deafening silence from libs with regard to one of their biggest outrages a couple weeks ago: how any election in which dhimmicrats are defeated are obviously "stolen" by the corrupt folks at Diebold. Libs just make up conspiracy theories and eagerly embrace any belief as long as it is in harmony with their pseudo religion of liberalism.

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  133. rusty said "Eleanor Clift,now theres a real nonpartisan view. You guys have way too much time on your hands scouring web sites looking for articles that agree with you.Do you just discard any opposing view?
    Instead of wasting your time like this why dont you do some work,help keep americas economic engine running."

    And I suppose "YOUR" views are non partisan and non biased huh Rusty, I'd like to know who appointed you GOD and said YOU get to decide what views and policies are right for this country and what is a waste of time for others. You fools want a police sate where you monitor EVERYTHING and get to decide What is right for EVERYONE.

    BTW RUSTY are you saying you DONT Discard the opposing view, LMAO, thats what you just did genius, anyone who doesnt agree with your biased view of the world is biased, a crackpot or a disgruntled employee defending your position is easy when you just discredit and attack any source or position that doesnt agree with you.

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  134. who says there wasnt election fraud FF, you guys can only STRAL an election if its reasonably close if its a landslide or a "thumping" as GWB said the little scams and frauds cant make enough of a difference and you lost BIG TIME! America said they are sick and tired of the Neo Con BS!

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  135. Anonymous11:37 AM

    Glen Beck?

    That peice of shit?

    And you guys are complaining about Eleanor Clift?

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  136. Glen Beck,a piece of shit per wufuss.
    Pray tell what would Keith Olbermann be in his eyes?
    Or Stewart Smally?
    Or Randi Rhodes?
    Would either of them be considered a piece of shit by the man behind the curtain?

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  137. My,my wuffy....."praying on peoples greed" .... "making a living off the vices of others."

    What do you consider the 20 or so million people that vist Las Vegas each year? Lost souls? Greedy? Immoral? Stupid?

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  138. Mike,did you run out and get those BJ and the bear DVD's? Big day planned huh?

    Well,I'm gonna run downstairs and watch the Michigan,Ohio State game.Carry on kids.

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  139. Anonymous12:38 PM

    Rusty Shackelford said...


    What do you consider the 20 or so million people that vist Las Vegas each year? Lost souls? Greedy? Immoral? Stupid?


    And that negates your role in feeding off of their vices how?

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  140. Anonymous12:39 PM

    If a fool walks down the street with his money hanging out of his pants, does the person who takes the money somehow escape their own guilt?

    If a fool leaves his keys in his car, is the car thief somehow not guilty of grand theft auto?

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  141. Anonymous12:54 PM

    Gambling is a vice.


    Gambling breaks up families and destroys lives. Gambling is a leading contributor to suicides.

    Gambling is one of the oldest sins there is.

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  142. Glen Beck is CNN's version of Rush Limpballs.

    He reports HIS opinion, NOT news.

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  143. Mike, Personally I think STRALING is just plain WRONG period!

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  144. You tell 'em Clif.

    Anybody who doesn't get all their news straight from Comedy Central is an idiot.

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  145. CNN Headline "news" has stooped to Nancy Grace and Glen Beck, NOT to report the news, but COMMENT on it, which makes then opinion not fact shows.

    Both are a bit extreme right, and outside the mainstream of the US electorate.

    All CNN has done is to try to capitalize on the Fox style of opinionated news, with a reichwing slant, but that idea is losing viewers, as O'Liely's ratings shows.

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  146. Anonymous1:12 PM

    Glen Beck? That smug little prick?

    He talks like he knows everything, and he knows absolutely nothing.

    You have to be a real asshole to like an asshole like Glen Beck.

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  147. Dolt it does NOT matter where YOU get you misinformation....because you will always be an idiot.

    It is what YOU do moron, hate and spew idiotic comments, kind of what bigoted morons have done through out history.

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  148. Anonymous1:13 PM

    I mean come on Voltron, FF. Have you looked at the people who you guys adore lately?

    Rush Limpbaugh

    Ann Coulter

    Glen Beck

    Nancy Grace

    They all have on thing in common.

    They're all assholes.

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  149. Anonymous1:13 PM

    Don't tell me you don't see that.

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  150. First off, I'm not a Nancy Grace fan.
    I never watch.

    Secondly, the guys YOU adore are assholes too.

    Mickey Moore, Al Franken, Olbermann, etc...

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  151. So far on this thread Cliffy, it's only YOUR hatred thats showing.

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  152. Speaking of smug assholes, (and we were) You can say that about Beck with a straight face and then tell us how great Olbermann is?

    Sheesh!

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  153. you guys dont want to hear the truth, you want to hear what you "WANT" to hear.

    I'll never forget I had a boss who was a real jackass kinda like a rummy or Cheney, he asked me a question and i said "do you want the truth, or the answer you want to hear"

    and thats what its all about with you guys you dont want to hear the truth you want to hear slanted biased fiction that suits your political philosophy and preconceived views.

    I'm sorry but there should be NO PLACE for opinions and slant on a news or talk show, people watch to learn and become informed not to be manipulated and influenced by propaganda and lies and unsubstatiated facts and rhetoric.

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  154. You dont like Olberman because he speaks the truth about your little Dictator who although you claim to oppose his essential abandonment of Libertarian and conservative principles defend like a good little cheerleader ANYWAY...................curious, if there were a president who abandoned basically everything i believed in and held important i would sure as hell not be defending him.

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  155. Not hatred son,disgust thet people like YOU have such a small minded view of life.

    You attack everything that does NOT fit into your , fear based view of modern events, and your desire to CONTINUE the reichwing-corporations desire to dominate this planet for the benefit of very few. And the FACT we have been in the middle east since WW! for the Europeans, and WW2 for the US trying to dominate that region, including staging Coups against the democracies that arose there when THOSE democracies attempted to furfill the will of their people NOT the big oil corporate interests.

    Idiots like YOU ignore such FACTS to continue to spin your LIES and hate for PEOPLE who do not look like you.

    Sorry Dolt it does SHOW.

    Anything that is DONE to continue the life YOU live, no matter how many other people on this planet who suffer for it, IS OK with you. In fact you WANT to torture people who are against the continued oppression of them, and have advocated using coercion to FORCE 1.6 Billion people to either change what they believe or DIE.

    Dolt your a bigot, and what you propose is going to cause WW3, it seems YOU want that.

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  156. Volt - what does STRALING mean?

    FF - regarding the Muslim training and indoctrinating their children with hatred for us -- You are absolutely right that this must be countered, and brought to our awareness. BUT NOT WITH VIOLENCE! In Iran, before we invaded Iraq, MOST OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE WERE PRO-AMERICAN, PRO-BLUE JEANS, PRO-IPODS! The college kids and youth LOVED Americans. They wanted to usurp their old Mullahs. Until Bush invaded Iraq and turned them all against us. Read your history.

    We turned them off to our bizarre, violent form of Democracy by our sick invasion of Iraq. We proved we (Bush) were no better than their sick insane leader who has his finger on the trigger. Bush is trigger happy, and it turned off the youth.

    We will win hearts and minds, as all great leaders know (and as Christ taught) by setting an example of peace, of diminishing their hatred with our non-response to it, (the way you treat a bully) thereby weakening them.

    We are a huge nation with vast resources, military might (used defensively) and intelligence.

    We can infiltrate their culture, drop leaflets, use the internet, and use our prayers, wisdom, books and communication to convey our true goodness. Americans aren't using their brains when they use force! Only an idiot would be so primitive. The right wing is primitive, Neanderthal and sick with hatred based on fear.

    By the way, any educated person knows what Glen Beck showed on his show the other day; we all know the extremists indocrinate and brainwash their children to hate non-Musliims, but so what? Do you think bombing them preemptively based on your fear of their philosophy is advanced, right or even sane?

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  157. That's like saying "I'm going to bomb my neighbor because he hates me."

    Or:

    "I'm going to bomb that guy on the next block because he practices withcraft and might kill me someday.. And some other guy who practices voodoo in Jamaica hates me, so I better bomb Jamaica."

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  158. Lydia its the "might" that gets them everytime, if I walked into TT's house rang his doorbell and shot him dead then when i was arrested said I was in the right because i felt he "MIGHT" kill me someday, i would be sitting in jail for the rest of my life.............................yet that is exactly what GWB did, he invaded a sovreign country pre-emptively because as he said they "MIGHT" attack us one day.

    A PRE-EMPTIVE attack is not an act of defence, it is an act of aggression and an act of war, and Bush and Rummy are guilty of war crimes.

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  159. I always thought self defense had to be proved if all you had to do was say "i;m attacking him pre-emptively because I have a feeling in my big toe that someone "MIGHT" do me harm someday, then everyone would be committing murder and assault and trying to justify it with this weak rhetoric, the murder rates would go up exponentialy and we would have chaos and violence everywhere.

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  160. Anonymous3:11 PM

    Forget whether its right or moral or whatever. Just ask yourself if you really think it will work, Voltaire.

    Do you really think that by invading them you can win?

    That hatred they are teaching their children is validated every day as they turn on the news, and see people who look like them, being killed by people who look like us.

    Get your head out of your ass.

    The only way to win a war of opinion is to act above reproach.

    We need to be better than they think we are. Then we'll curb the hatred.

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  161. Anonymous3:14 PM

    Right now we are confirming that muslims across the world are going to hate us. And heres the rub. They have far superior numbers.

    We think we can win because we have battleships and nukes.

    But with no army opposing us, instead, over 1 billion people scattered to the four corners of the earth, one thing is for sure.

    The muslims can outlast any war we wage on them, and the more we kill, the more there will be to attack us using terrorism.

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  162. Anonymous3:15 PM

    If you can't see that, you need to relax your sphincter a little and give your head some air.

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  163. Anonymous3:16 PM

    And as for Keith Olberman?

    Yea, I can see how he might seem like an asshole to you, because he is not afraid of you or Bill Oreilly, and stands up to the hate mongering Oreilly spreads.

    But in truth, he is much more gracious and likable than that punk Beck. Beck is a prick of the highest order. How anyone could like him, I can't imagine.

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  164. Anonymous3:17 PM

    But I'm glad to hear you don't like Nancy Grace.

    Maybe theres hope for you yet.

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  165. MIKE & WORF said it brilliantly.

    MIKE said: A PRE-EMPTIVE attack is not an act of defence, it is an act of aggression and an act of war, and Bush and Rummy are guilty of war crimes.

    Worf said: The only way to win a war of opinion is to act above reproach. We need to be better than they think we are. Then we'll curb the hatred.

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  166. Volt answer me this if a liberal shot your son pre-emptively because he claimed your son "MIGHT" do him harm someday then claimed that you conservatives are indoctrinating your kids to hate liberals so he had it coming what would you say and how would you feel, would this give you reason to HATE liberals and perpetuate the so called clash of civilizations.

    We've been meddling and interfereing in the Middle East for generations and we've killed many of them and looked out for OUR interests rather than theirs, dont you think they have reason to hate us when we kill many of their family and friends and blow up their homes?

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  167. I dont know what you think you can win?

    Its not us against the evil terroristsin Iraq, its a power vacuum with warring religious factions and warlords evolving into a civilwar for control of the country and its assets with us caught in the middle of all the warring sides and hated by all.

    I used to think if things got bad enough we would install another strongman/dictator loyal to us very similar to saddam to keep the peace and hold the country together through fear, oppression and an iron fisted rule, but after what clif has said yesterday that seems no longer possible, the shiites are backed by Iran and seem to be the emerging power and backing them may hasten stability by getting the slaughter over quicker but will probably insure that our interests in the region will no longer be a factor, we will probably be expelled with great slaughter and bloodshed if we do not leave of our own free will, and Irans importance and prestiege will be greatly enhanced while our military and economic resources will have been overtaxed, squandered senselessly and greatly weakened and compromised as a result of the Neo Cons Folly.

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  168. Philanthropy Expert: Conservatives Are More Generous

    SYRACUSE, N.Y. -- Syracuse University professor Arthur C. Brooks is about to become the darling of the religious right in America -- and it's making him nervous.

    The child of academics, raised in a liberal household and educated in the liberal arts, Brooks has written a book that concludes religious conservatives donate far more money than secular liberals to all sorts of charitable activities, irrespective of income.

    In the book, he cites extensive data analysis to demonstrate that values advocated by conservatives -- from church attendance and two-parent families to the Protestant work ethic and a distaste for government-funded social services -- make conservatives more generous than liberals.

    The book, titled "Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism" (Basic Books, $26), is due for release Nov. 24.

    When it comes to helping the needy, Brooks writes: "For too long, liberals have been claiming they are the most virtuous members of American society. Although they usually give less to charity, they have nevertheless lambasted conservatives for their callousness in the face of social injustice."

    For the record, Brooks, 42, has been registered in the past as a Democrat, then a Republican, but now lists himself as independent, explaining, "I have no comfortable political home."

    Since 2003 he has been director of nonprofit studies for Syracuse University's Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

    Outside professional circles, he's best known for his regular op-ed columns in The Wall Street Journal (13 over the past 18 months) on topics that stray a bit from his philanthropy expertise.

    One noted that people who drink alcohol moderately are more successful and charitable than those who don't (like him). Another observed that liberals are having fewer babies than conservatives, which will reduce liberals' impact on politics over time because children generally mimic their parents.

    Brooks is a behavioral economist by training who researches the relationship between what people do -- aside from their paid work -- why they do it, and its economic impact.

    He's a number cruncher who relied primarily on 10 databases assembled over the past decade, mostly from scientific surveys. The data are adjusted for variables such as age, gender, race and income to draw fine-point conclusions.

    His Wall Street Journal pieces are researched, but a little light.

    His book, he says, is carefully documented to withstand the scrutiny of other academics, which he said he encourages.

    The book's basic findings are that conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

    Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone's tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don't provide them with enough money.

    Such an attitude, he writes, not only shortchanges the nonprofits but also diminishes the positive fallout of giving, including personal health, wealth and happiness for the donor and overall economic growth.
    All of this, he said, he backs up with statistical analysis.

    "These are not the sort of conclusions I ever thought I would reach when I started looking at charitable giving in graduate school, 10 years ago," he writes in the introduction. "I have to admit I probably would have hated what I have to say in this book."

    Still, he says it forcefully, pointing out that liberals give less than conservatives in every way imaginable, including volunteer hours and donated blood.

    In an interview, Brooks said he recognizes the need for government entitlement programs, such as welfare. But in the book he finds fault with all sorts of government social spending, including entitlements.

    Repeatedly he cites and disputes a line from a Ralph Nader speech to the NAACP in 2000: "A society that has more justice is a society that needs less charity."

    Harvey Mansfield, professor of government at Harvard University and 2004 recipient of the National Humanities Medal, does not know Brooks personally but has read the book.

    "His main finding is quite startling, that the people who talk the most about caring actually fork over the least," he said. "But beyond this finding I thought his analysis was extremely good, especially for an economist. He thinks very well about the reason for this and reflects about politics and morals in a way most economists do their best to avoid."

    Brooks says he started the book as an academic treatise, then tightened the documentation and punched up the prose when his colleagues and editor convinced him it would sell better and generate more discussion if he did.

    To make his point forcefully, Brooks admits he cut out a lot of qualifying information.

    "I know I'm going to get yelled at a lot with this book," he said. "But when you say something big and new, you're going to get yelled at."

    http://www.beliefnet.com/story/204/story_20419_1.html

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  169. TT was he looking at the percentage of discretionary disposable income if not then his stats are BS.

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  170. Right Wing but not Conservative

    ""Laura and I were talking about -- we were talking about how amazing it is we're here in Vietnam," Bush said. "And one of the most poignant moments of the drive in was passing the lake where John McCain got pulled out of the lake. And he's a friend of ours. He suffered a lot as a result of his imprisonment, and yet, we passed the place where he was, literally, saved, in one way, by the people pulling him out."

    In fact, according to McCain, who broke both arms and his right knee while ejecting from his A-4 Skyhawk, he was hauled out of the lake on two bamboo poles and beaten on the shore by an angry mob.

    In his autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain wrote that the crowd, shouting wildly, stripped his clothes off, "spitting on me, kicking and striking me repeatedly." A woman, possibly a nurse, intervened, and a Vietnamese army truck arrived "to take me away from this group of aggrieved citizens who seemed intent on killing me," McCain wrote.

    He described subsequent repeated beatings and torture at the hands of his captors in the notorious Hoa Lo prison, known to American POWs as the "Hanoi Hilton."" Washpost


    ----------------------------------------------------------

    Bush's comments are a "tale told by an idiot."

    Now, maybe it is understandable that the inhabitants of Hanoi wanted to kill this enemy pilot who had fallen into their hands. Bad things often happen in the heat of battle, but for Bush to torture this long past event into something with which he can feel good about McCain's agony and the people of Hanoi is reprehensible.

    I understand that he has also held communist Vietnam up as an example of what Iraq may become "if we do not quit." Has he missed the fact that there is no real freedom in Vietnam now? Has he missed the fact that, having deprived the peoples of Vietnam of their religious rights, the government is now giving those rights back as privileges? Has he missed the fact that the non-Vietnamese Montagnard peoples of Vietnam are still treated as sub-human by the Vietnamese and their government? Has he missed that?

    The Viet Minh would easily have unified Vietnam in 1954-55 after the defeat of the French. They had defeated all their native competitors. Only the growing political and then military intervention of the United States prevented that until 1975. Unity was not a problem in Vietnam. The government that Bush seems to admire had no serious problem in "bringing the country together" after we left.

    Maybe we should get out of the way so that another "unity" government that Bush can praise can take over in Iraq.

    Pat Lang

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  171. Anonymous4:13 PM

    Houston Police Trample Protesting Janitors With Horses
    Posted November 18, 2006
    Huffingtonpost.com

    We sat down in the intersection and the horses came immediately. It was really violent.

    They arrested us, and when we got to jail, we were pretty beat up. Not all of us got the medical attention we needed. The worst was a protester named Julia, who is severely diabetic. We kept telling the guards about her condition but they only gave her a piece of candy. During roll call, she started to complain about light-headedness. Finally she just collapsed unconscious on the floor. It was like she just dropped dead.

    The guard saw it but just kept going through the roll. Susan ran over there and took her pulse while the other inmates were yelling for help, saying we need to call somebody. The medical team strolled over, taking their own sweet time. She was unconscious for like 4 or 5 minutes.

    They really tried to break us down. The first night they put the temperature so high that a woman--one of the other inmates--had a seizure. The second night they made it freezing and took away many of our blankets. We didn't have access to the cots so we had to sleep on a concrete floor. When we would finally fall asleep the guards would come and yell `Are you Anna Denise Solís? Are you so and so?' One of the protesters had a fractured wrist from the horses. She had a cast on and when she would fall asleep the guard would kick the cast to wake her up. She was in a lot of pain

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  172. Anonymous4:15 PM

    We might not be quite wearing brown shirts yet, but they're certainly getting tan.

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  173. That's funny, TT. If our goal is to eliminate government spending and pray that everyone in America gives to charity (which would be ideal) then what does your article prove or promote? Nothing except more divisiveness. In other words, the reason we need the government to help those less fortunate, especially poor school children and people who have no health care or after-school programs, or parents who have white collar opportunities -- is because NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE, whether Democrat or Republican -- DONATE TO THE POOR or to the causes most needed.

    So who cares WHO GIVES MORE?

    And furthermore, I doubt this author spoke to each "statistic" and found out how they vote. For example I go to church and if you grouped me as right-wing just because I go to church, you would be wrong. I have an entire group of left-wing church-going friends. All of us tithe.

    I asked lots of people at my church if they voted for Bush in the last election, and none of them said yes.

    Religious people usually tithe 10% of their income to charity, but if they give it to corrput pastors, or to "Creationist Museums" or to the Southern Baptist Convention (which spends millions of dollars just "evangelizing" and NOT helping the hungry, homeless children... then it's being wasted.

    Mixing religion with politics is wrong.

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  174. Clif, you never did tell me what acts of oppression India, Indonesia and Africa have committed against Muslims?

    Can anyone tell me why they're decapitating teenage catholic schoolgirls for ramadan trophies in Indonesia?

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  175. Lydia,

    I think the point is that YOUR side keeps claiming Republicans are not compassionate and do not care about the poor.

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  176. Lydia NO rightwingnut really wants ALL three aspects of tithing enforced, especially the second and third.

    The 10% is yearly, there is also a three year tithe which is 100% of all goods. A seven year complete cancellation of ALL debts.

    I do not think the right wing nuts want every poor person to be completely released from ALL debts every seven years.

    Read Deuteronomy 14:22-15:18 most right wingers would find it HARD to adopt these as correct business practices, BUT that is what the Bible says. and Tiny's little reichwingnut hit job article completely MISSES.

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  177. "...and your desire to CONTINUE the reichwing-corporations desire to dominate this planet for the benefit of very few."

    You mean like how Walmart benefits the middle class and the poor?

    A company you've maligned and groups that you claim need help...


    "And the FACT we have been in the middle east since WW! for the Europeans, and WW2 for the US trying to dominate that region..."

    Still haven't heard what attrocities India and Indonesia have committed in the mid east...


    Idiots like YOU ignore such FACTS to continue to spin your LIES and hate for PEOPLE who do not VOTE like you.

    Sorry Clif it does SHOW.


    You wanna see a bigot, look in the mirror.

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  178. Gee Clif, there's a concept:

    ENFORCED CHARITY...

    Is charity REALLY giving from the heart if someone MAKES you do it?

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  179. Dolty Boy, Walmart has been a VERY large force in outsourcing which directly lead to the destruction of the jobs which the middle class rests ON, IT has done VERY little to foster it, and temporary lower prices because they can, does NOT build a middle class, real, long lasting, good paying jobs do that son.

    So that part of your argument is PURE unadulterated reichwingnut BULL.


    BTW Indonesia is the largest MUSLIM nation on this planet, it is Muslim, so what is YOUR point.

    India has had historical fights between muslims, Hindu's for centuries, and picking a isolated set of incicdents does not make you argument any more true.

    Son your basic philosophical argument is rooted in a bigoted basis of anyone who does NOT act and think like you IS BAD and they must be dominated and converted or destroyed.

    Same bigoted argument the Europeans used to conquer this continent, Most of Africa, and large parts of Asia.

    The same argument that promoted Jim Crow laws, the KKK and other right wingnut groups in this countries past.

    They are YOUR legacy, not mine son, so GO LOOK in the Mirror yourself.

    You are living in the heritage occupied by David Duke, and the reichwingnuts who scream when they see somebody they do not want here and screech about faux problems that are never what they claim they are.

    Like the fight between the Hindu's and Muslims for control in the former British colony of India, or between the Palestinians and Israelis in the former British protectorate of Palestine.

    Both former British areas where they fostered the differences to DIVIDE and thus make it easier to rule there.

    Get a clue son, bigots are the people like YOU and Anny Tranny who want to convert or Kill 1.6 Billion people on this planet, NOT ME.

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  180. Dolty Boy said...

    Gee Clif, there's a concept:

    ENFORCED CHARITY...

    Is charity REALLY giving from the heart if someone MAKES you do it?


    Ask GOD son, after it is HIS book, and HIS rules remember?

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  181. "then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear and into the door, and he shall be thy bondman for ever. And also unto thy bondwoman thou shalt do likewise."
    -Deuteronomy 15:17

    I'd definetly find that one difficult...

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  182. Like I said, His book, His rules son.

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  183. BTW isn't the requirement to TITHE enforced by Gods rules, just as the ten commandments are enforced by Gods rules, seems your argument is with God, Dolt.

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  184. "Son your basic philosophical argument is rooted in a bigoted basis of anyone who does NOT act and think like you IS BAD and they must be dominated and converted or destroyed."
    -Clif

    No Clif, MY "basic philosophical argument" is rooted in a belief that any group that "believes anyone who does NOT act and think like [THEM] IS BAD and must be dominated and converted or destroyed" SHOULD THEY THEMSELVES BE DOMINATED AND CONVERTED OR DESTROYED, As they are dangerous to civilized society.

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  185. I have no problem at all with people who do not look like me or believe the way I do.

    MY problem is the ones who think they need to KILL ME OR YOU because we look or believe different than THEY do.

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  186. Sorry son, but your acting in the very MODE which propelled the Europeans with their"civilized society" to dominate the rest of the world and convert it to Christianity.

    Maybe that is why the entire American continent is considered a Christian based continent even though the concept of Christianity arrived on the same ships which carried the Europeans who came with muskets and bibles to use both to convert or kill the natives here, same thing with the continent of Australia, and countries like the Philippines.

    Seems you disagree with what the Europeans did the last 400 years before WW2.

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  187. No argument with God for me Clif. I personally have no problem with tithing.

    And the reason it's NOT enforced is that free will thing...

    I think that's where the new testament comes in, you know because we couldn't live by the old covenant?

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  188. BTW to all the reichwingnuts, Reagan's entire"welfare queen " stance is repudiated by the same section of Deuteronomy, I quoted, it condemns actions LIKE he took to win office deriding poor people like HE DID.

    Thus Ronald Reagan was wrong according to the Bible in that instance, but that never stopped him or any other reischwingnut from abusing the Bible has it?

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  189. Anonymous5:41 PM

    Bishop Voltron said...


    And the reason it's NOT enforced is that free will thing...


    It didn't used to be.

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  190. How about tithing in the third year son, give 100% and SHARE all of it equally with the poor?

    Or every seven years forgiving all debts?

    That is PART of tithing also, but people conveniently forget that.

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  191. Dolty Boy, I would enjoy listening to YOUR misconceptions of the Bible to prop up your bigoted views, but the munch kin wants to look at some websites she really likes, have a nice evening son.

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  192. Clif, I doubt that I am completely 100% right. What bothers me is that you ignore your own misconceptions.

    Have fun...

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  193. Is this board actually becoming more civil? Aside from Cliffy's casual abuse of the word "bigot",
    Even Rusty sounds more reasonable lately...

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  194. I also doubt very seriously that either the left or the right can lay claim to the bible or Christ.

    Therefore, I would say "judge not" since we both seem to have very large beams and are unable to "judge fairly".

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  195. Anonymous6:02 PM

    Voltron said...

    I think that's where the new testament comes in, you know because we couldn't live by the old covenant


    Lol. Where'd you hear that? Is that what they're teaching in protestant Sunday Schools these days?

    The New Testament is a canonized compilation of the translations of the Codices, and covers the life of Christ, and the acts of his immediate followers. In it, Jesus makes it clear that his law, the new covenant if you will, that he called his gospel, supercedes the law of moses, or the old covenant as you call it. It has nothing to do with our not being able to live it. People were living the law of moses. The law of moses does not say man MUST not sin. It says man should not sin, and prescribes a series of punishments or "atonements" for each various transgression.

    The problem with Jerusalem 30 AD, when Jesus started his ministry was not an inability to follow the law of Moses. It was an abnormal obsession with the law. The Jewish religious leaders, mostly members of the Sanhedrin, had bastardized the Law of Moses, and turned it into an omnious burdensome set of rituals and observances that tasked the general masses and gave enormous power to the elders, scribes, Pharisees, Saducees, Priests and other religious leaders and figures.

    The lowly stone mason slash prophet from the Nazareth region had a vastly different message for the populace, and most of it was condemnation of the unrealistic adherence to the daily minutia prescribed by the religious leaders of the day.

    Jesus CHANGED the laws they were living by, and gave them higher laws, much more difficult to follow. Instead of "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth", he commanded those who would be call themselves after his name, to"turn the other cheek". He taught that the real requirements of the kingdom of Heaven were not sacrifices of lambs, prayers, or tithes. The requirements for admittance into the kingdom which he offered were all based on how we treat our fellow man.

    Jesus "fulfilled" the Law of Moses and now we were all expected to act like Gods.

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  196. Anonymous6:03 PM

    And yes, I wrote that word for word, just for you.

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  197. By the way, any educated person knows what Glen Beck showed on his show the other day; we all know the extremists indocrinate and brainwash their children to hate non-Musliims, but so what? Do you think bombing them preemptively based on your fear of their philosophy is advanced, right or even sane?
    -Lydia Cornell

    So it appears that not one lib has bothered to view Beck's important 40 minute video. Sometimes I grow weary of being right; I understand the lib mind so thoroughly.

    What Beck video demonstrates is that the true message of Ahmadinejad is that he is actively pursuing thermonuclear warheads for his missles which are already capable of reaching the U.S. But He engages in taqqiyah -- telling pleasing falsehoods to objective (liberal) western "journalists" serving as lazy useful idiots who never bother to research what he says in Arabic to his cheering fellow Muslims.

    Ahmadinejad intends to develop and use nukes to destroy Israel and the Great Satan. He believes it is his religious duty to do so; that he will be serving allah by incinerating millions of innocent folks. He sees his role as hastening the Islamic version of Armagheddon in order to conjure Mohammad's successor.

    It is laughably naive and narcissistic to believe that thinking happy thoughts will destroy such evil. While evil may disappear from your mind, evil persists in reality and grows if left unchallenged.

    As a Christian, how do you suppose Jesus would judge someone who had the chance to stop hitler in 1937, but who lacked the spine? What if hitler had nukes? Isn't it interesting that hitler also started by demonizing and exterminating the Jews? Contrary to the liberal mantra, our fellow American countrymen are not the source of the evil which threatens to end enlightened civilization. The jihadis are.

    I trust that Israel will act pre-emptively to destroy Iran's nuclear capability. Libs will scream about this because they want to wait until the nutball Islamists destroy Israel. I don't.

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