Monday, July 24, 2006

OUT OF IRAQ NOW! and REPORT FROM INSIDE ISRAEL

Quick Report from the Israeli Peace Front

The peace movement in Israel has pulled out all stops to end this mad war. Lots of groups are active, and we had a big joint demonstration last night - at least 5,000 people (though the media reported 2,500). Marching through the streets of Tel Aviv with signs, "End the War", "End the Occupation" felt like a relief after the roar of pro-war-talk on all the media.

HERE IS a short note from Hannah Safran of the Haifa vigil of Women in Black. The women were shelled during the vigil, but they returned to complete it. Later that day, under the newly formed "Women Against War", they again left their homes to protest.

" Hi gila, how are you? we are having a terrible day today. while we were demonstrating at our regular Women in Black square (30-40 people in all), we were bombed on both sides. it felt like being targeted from close. we had to abandon the vigil and look for shelter. we came back 20 min. later and completed the vigil on time. As we were traveling home, there was a second attack and we had to stop the car and look for shelter. When we came home we opened the newspaper to read letters of women from Lebanon. The devastation is horrific. Has Israel gone crazy or have we not noticed what a mad country we live in? It is 5:45 p.m. now and we had two attacks since then. I am off to our daily demonstration of Women Against War in front of the Foreign Office and all the foreign press. We will not be silenced. War must be stopped now. Every min. counts as people's lives are in danger. do all you can to stop this madness. only someone from outside can put pressure on Israel to stop. i have to hurry. be well and let's pray for better days.
love, hannah
Please continue to voice your protest throughout the world.

Gila Svirsky
www.coalitionofwomen.org

Demonstrations and Vigils held this weekend (or just before) THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely' - Lord Acton

A REPUBLICAN senator has now confirmed that things in Iraq are worse than we were "led to believe." This implies that we were MISLED DELIBERATELY. We must bring our troops home and save their lives.

Bush is operating like an unconscious madman. Our very presence on Muslim soil is the reason there is non-stop violence and terrorism there. What on earth are we doing there? We must remove ourselves from the equation. Pride is not a virtue. Whatever Bush's reasons for being there (which obviously weren't the reasons he told us initially) it's time to come home. His lies have been uncovered, and like the alcoholic who has been beaten by the bottle — it's time to surrender to a higher power, God. Providence will move for us when we do the RIGHT THING. No matter how many lies Bush tells himself about how "patriotic" it is to be at war in Iraq, THE TRUTH IS NOT WITH HIM. HE IS LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO HIMSELF. It's time to humble ourselves and come home. Great men have humility. Arrogant ones do not. Bush must not believe in God because he thinks he himself has to control everything; he doesn't trust God enough to let the Iraqi people fix themselves. We must "let go and let God." 

James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper No. 47:

The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many...may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.

That extraordinary powers have, under Bush, been accumulated in the "same hands" is now undeniable. For the first time in more than thirty years, and to a greater extent than even then, our constitutional form of government is in jeopardy.
Power Grabhttp://www.metafilter.com/mefi/52363

Coulter Dropped by 'Augusta Chronicle' Over 'Stridency'

"But biting commentary is one thing. A personal attack is another -- such as when she slammed several 9-11 widows for backing Democrats and allegedly milking the tragedy for political purposes. That charge alone isn't necessarily unfair, but to suggest they were 'enjoying' their husbands' deaths and calling them 'witches' -- well, that's where stridency crosses a line.

498 comments:

  1. Cool new Web site:

    BootMurtha.com

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  2. The horror of Saddam’s mass graves

    Jews were victims of Nazi oppression and ethnic cleansing the result of which was the extermination of over five million Jews. By perpetrating such a heinous crime Hitler engraved his name in history as one of the most notorious criminals who immersed himself in the blood of innocent people... We are not going to dispute that. In fact, we, more than anybody can fully grasp the agony of the holocaust.

    A body recovered from a mass grave in Iraq

    We have had a first hand experience with the very same horrors. Freshly dug mass graves bare witness to the plight of the Shias. They have been subjected to a systematic, state-sponsored persecution and murder. Iraq has once again revived those shocking memories. When Iraqi refugees return to their homeland, they no longer have hope of finding their loved ones. Any such hope has disappeared except for a very few hopefuls who dread the bitter reality of loss. The only hope that still exists in the hearts of expatriates is finding the burial site of their relatives. Perhaps also some identifiable remains.

    The search for those remains has become a daily chore for thousands of Iraqis today. New mass graves are discovered almost on a daily basis. Some sites contain tens of thousands of bodies, while some are just too swarming with human remains littered on top of each other that no one bothers to keep a head count. The bare bones, broken skulls, cuffed hands and scraps of clothing tell a horrifying story. Many skeletons belong to women, some even to young children. The scene is nothing short of horrendous, and the sorrow of loved ones is utterly inexpressible.

    Every body has a story to tell. Every person had relatives, parents, and a family that was later forced to pay for the bullets used to kill him when a bill was dispatched to every household. The state was not going to pay for his punishment. The obligatory payment was probably the hardest thing to do.

    Yet those who received confirmation of their loved one's death were the lucky ones. Hundreds of thousands of wives, husbands, parents, and children never had any type of emotional closure. Until, that is, the infamous incarceration compounds were emptied, Ba'ath party records were checked, and finally mass graves were excavated.

    Mass graves have been found in almost every major province. Some of them are group specific. (One has been found to house Dawa party members and another one for Islamic Action Organization adherents) Some are age specific. Even the children were not spared. There is no need to go into detailed descriptions of the sites and relate stories of those lucky few who fled only to tell almost unbelievable tales. The real problem lies in the fact that such stories are becoming mundane and have lost their position as the number one news story, having been breaking news items just a few days after the war.

    For a third of a century, the Shia people of Iraq have been suffering in the confines of their own Holy Land. They have been subject to the rule of the minority, namely the Sunnis. It is no secret that Saddam and his cohorts subscribe to the Sunni sect.

    On the outskirts of Tikrit is a little village named Al-Awjah, (which not surprisingly translates as The Twisted) sparsely populated and neglected for hundreds of years by the rest of the province. Saddam was born in that village in 1937 to a typical Sunni family.

    It was Saddam’s rise that paved the way for his venomous sectarian hatred to be materialized. The Shias were subjected to ethnic cleansing of an unsurpassed scale. For them the punishment for political crimes started with execution and ended with a lifetime of anguish under the brutal torture apparatus of Saddam’s notorious penitentiaries. The list goes on to brutalities of detention without trial, torture, and as the west has now come to discover; mass executions and burials.

    Official Iraqi documents recovered after the fall of Saddam regime suggest a staggering 5 million executions were made during Ba'ath era alone. Over 10 million were also imprisoned. They were all Shias save a small percentage of Kurds. It is also very interesting to note that after the 1991 Shia uprising over 300,000 were killed or captured never to be seen again, but there were no injured.

    This is very odd considering the logical fact that wars result in many more injuries than deaths. Under Saddam, however, people were either killed instantly or killed in mass executions soon after. With slogans such as ‘After today no more Shias’ the army had advanced into the city of Karbala. The killed were killed, the captured were killed, and the injured were killed as well. No one was spared.

    Those executed by the Saddam regime were brutally murdered because they stood for an agenda, an agenda to have peace and exercise their right to freedom of religion. Now they themselves have become an agenda. We must not forget the sacrifices made by Iraqis because although liberation was eventually accomplished at the hands of the Coalition forces, they were only sowing the seeds. The Shias of Iraq paid a very dear price for its liberation, which is why their memory must be upheld at any price.

    We must endeavor to permanently imprint the memory of those killed by Saddam and his regime in the hearts and minds of generations to come in order to prevent such human catastrophes from being repeated. Memorial structures and memorial museums must be erected in every major city in Iraqis well as every capital city in the western world. Names of the victims must be placed on walls lest they be forgotten.

    Committees must be set up to promote the Iraqi calamity all over the world in an effort to defend the rights of the Shias in general. Their memory should be preserved to help other Shias suffering persecution elsewhere in the world. In many parts of the world Shias are prevented from practicing their rituals. Their books are banned. Their sacred sites are either demolished or inaccessible.

    Saudi Arabia is one such country where it is a crime to be identified as a Shia. Although unofficial figures put their number at around 30 per cent of the total population, Shias do not have any such figures. In some cities (such as Medina) Shias conceal their faith to such an extent that even their immediate family members do not know about them. In such an atmosphere that the likes of Bin Laden were nurtured, Shias are seen as villains even before Americans.

    The western world has only recently discovered the terrifying face of Wahhabi terrorism at the hands of Al-Qaeda. We, however, have had to deal with their bitter hatred for many years in Afghanistan (under the Taliban), Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere. Even with the number of Shias around the world approaching 400 million, the Shia faith remains not only unrecognized by many countries but is officially banned in many others.

    Despite all of that it is only today that the plight of the Shias is being heard. They have been desperately crying out for help for over 30 years to no avail, but it is only after the fall of Baghdad that facts are being revealed about the nature of Saddam’s vicious apparatus. We have only recently come to discover — the hard way — that these are the remnants of a truly despotic regime. It took 30 years of pain and suffering along with millions of deaths in Iraq alone, but as the old saying goes: “Better late than never”. The long standing persecution of the Shias must now come to an end.

    http://www.brookesnews.com/
    062407iraqgraves.html

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  3. "five million executions"

    That rivals Hitler. But according to Libs, we shouldn't be there.

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  4. Well TT since you cut and pasted somebody elses opinion about history, how about some very current events...evemnts which are much more a danger to the US in what horrible damage it could produce,

    and for VOLTAIRE it is a heavy water reactor, the one which is the most dangerous for poliferation danger..

    BTW you mooks keep screaming about how bad the muslims are...and how Israel is in danger and if hezbollah is allowed to exist it spells doom,

    BUT you morons don't have a word to say about;

    Pakistan has begun building what independent analysts say is a powerful new reactor for producing plutonium, a move that, if verified, would signal a major expansion of the country's nuclear weapons capabilities and a potential new escalation in the region's arms race.

    Satellite photos of Pakistan's Khushab nuclear site show what appears to be a partially completed heavy-water reactor capable of producing enough plutonium for 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year, a 20-fold increase from Pakistan's current capabilities, according to a technical assessment by Washington-based nuclear experts.

    The construction site is adjacent to Pakistan's only plutonium production reactor, a modest, 50-megawatt unit that began operating in 1998. By contrast, the dimensions of the new reactor suggest a capacity of 1,000 megawatts or more, according to the analysis by the Institute for Science and International Security. Pakistan is believed to have 30 to 50 uranium warheads, which tend to be heavier and more difficult than plutonium warheads to mount on missiles.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300737.html

    But you will point out Pakistan is our friend, georgie said so,

    REALLY?

    Pakistan was instramental in aiding the Taliban during their rise to power the first time, and their nuclear weapons program and it's chief scientist (A Q KAHN) is directally responsible the poliferation of weapons designs and technology through out the muslim world...

    In January 2004, he confessed to having been involved in a clandestine international network of nuclear weapons technology proliferation from Pakistan to Libya, Iran and North Korea. On February 5, 2004, the President of Pakistan, General Pervez Musharraf, announced that he had pardoned Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan.

    from wiki


    lets see he gave nuclear tech and knowledge to the two countries that Bush claims are the most dangerous to the US and Musharraf pardons him, and bush thinks they are our friends?

    And when Osama escaped where do ya mooks think he went to...Disney world?

    And the ISI of Pakistan is directally aiding the Taliban in their re-emergeance...this year according to Karzai...


    Karzai himself has repeatedly insisted to Blair and Bush that the Taliban are once again receiving training from Pakistani military intelligence, ISI, which was behind the creation of the movement in the 1990s.

    Foreign journalists have long been barred from going to Quetta, the Pakistani border city, where local people report that the Taliban stroll in the streets. “If you British really wanted to end insecurity in Helmand you would do something about Pakistan,” a white-bearded man insisted last week to Knaggs. “The fact that you don’t makes us think you are not interested in solving the problem.”

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2261727_2,00.html

    And Musharraf is one shot to the head from being replaced by the same people who aid Osama and Mullah Omar right now, and the reactor will make enough plutonium to make 50 warheads a year

    "Such a reactor could produce over 200 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium per year, assuming it operates at full power a modest 220 days per year," it says. "At 4 to 5 kilograms of plutonium per weapon, this stock would allow the production of over 40 to 50 nuclear weapons a year."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/23/AR2006072300737_2.html



    warheads which can be placed on the top of a missle, which the North Koreans can not right now because a uranium based weapon ie not correct for such an application.... but your idiot in chief keeps sayiny Iran is the only real nuclear danger in the middle-east,

    a good take on this very real danger that does not fit in GOP talkinh points..

    If independent experts are aware of this development, you can be assured that the Bush administration and the CIA are, as well. Yet, we have heard little if anything, from our government about what I consider to be the most dangerous development to occur in the entire world over the past several years. Far more dangerous than the violence in Iraq or Israel's invasion of Lebanon, and light year's more dangerous than Iran's miniscule nuclear program.

    http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/7/24/105148/253

    BUT TT FF VOLT and of course dusty make jokes because this shows that BUSH DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN about our security otherwise he would have gone after the MOST dangerous and illegally operating nuclear program in the middle east for years instead of inventing a reason for attacking Iraq....

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  5. Kayinmaine

    Just in case you missed it, I answered your questions...

    "Voltaire,

    when did Islam start?"
    The seventh century

    "What was the reason behind it?"
    Muhammad founded Islam to rule over Arabs, Persians, and Byzantines, and through conquest, to steal their treasures.

    "Why did Mohammad write the Koran? Huh?"
    Mohammed didn't. It was written later, and no one is sure who wrote it. Mohammad was illiterate.

    "And how much of the Koran is his words?"(he was a live person by the way and not a made up prophet)"
    None, the Quran is the word of Allah,
    the "Sunnah (comprising the Hadith) was inspired by Allah but are a collection of sayings and deeds by Mohammed. They are claimed to be "inspired" because in them Allah tells people to "obey" Mohammed.

    btw, the Hadith (orally repeated sayings and deeds of Mohammad) were written down by Al-Bukhari a couple hundred years after Mohammeds death, and by Al-Tabari a persian physician 300 years after.

    And for further reading you might try Ishaqs Sira. The original no longer exists but a severly abridged version was written by Hisham


    "Who are the Infidels that are mentioned in the Koran?"
    Anyone who does not worship Allah.

    “Arabs were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.” - Tabari IX:69


    "To whom does he speak of and why did he feel the need to get it down on paper?"
    He speaks to his followers, and obviously he DID'NT feel the need to get it on paper. Someone else did.

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  6. Oh and by the way Cay,

    You recently advocated (that means "you were for") Israelis releasing prisoners to placate (that means "to appease") Hezbollah and get their soldiers released.

    Would that include this man:

    Sami Kuntar, a terrorist who killed a 4-year-old girl by smashing her head with a rifle butt?

    Just asking you know, because I'm positive that 4 year old girl was probably threatening him....

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  8. your in here kinda early Volt, pulling OT today?

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  9. Kayinmaine...volty is kinda fixated about you, heposted odes to you after you left last night, and comes in here early to seek you out

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  10. Oh and BTW coulterguist lost another paper to run her anal extrusions...tisk tisk so sad for IT

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  11. FF, It was indeed a fascinating read.
    Thank you.

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  12. Well cliffy, She wants to imply that I'm ignorant regarding Islam.

    I wanna make sure she knows I ain't.

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  13. Besides, from Allahs lips to her ears.
    I wanna see how she twists that.

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  14. Don't worry about Annie clif.

    She was just picked up by my local paper.....LOL

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  15. Jews were victims of Nazi oppression and ethnic cleansing the result of which was the extermination of over five million Jews.

    over six million really but there were about six million other people noy of jewish decent...

    The victims of the Holocaust were Jews, Serbs, Bosniaks (Bosnian Muslims), Poles, Russians, Communists, homosexuals, Roma (also known as gypsies), the mentally ill and the physically disabled, intelligentsia and political activists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, and Protestant clergy, trade unionists, psychiatric patients, some Africans, Asians, common criminals, people labeled as "enemies of the state", and many who did not belong to the Aryan race.

    thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians vilify also, and the repug southern stragety as practiced by Katherine Harris denied the right to vote in Florida in 2000, and the repug machine through some of their more hystarical mouth pieces demonise just as the Nazi's did in their days....

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  16. Sorry the list was from wiki TT missed the link again...no desert for me?

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  17. Well cliffy, She wants to imply that I'm ignorant regarding Islam.

    I wanna make sure she knows I ain't.


    Voltaire I'm sure you can read the words...not just what most Muslims say they really mean..instead of your particular twist....David Koresh claimed he was a christian...but it would be dishonest all Christians who disagrees with him are BAD Christians.....which YOU do to Muslims because you claim a meaning for the message of the Quran..which your reading an english translation instead of an actual text in it's original language, and translations do change meanings which worfeus has demonstrated in the translations of the Bible when it was translated from Hebrew to Greek to latin to english...

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  18. ...thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians vilify also...
    -clif

    Another filthy smear of Christians, clippy's favorite target. Thanks clippy for demonstrating typical liberal insanity.

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  19. clif,

    David Koresh was not the inspiration of the entire Christian religion from the very beginning.

    Mohammed WAS the inspiration for his religion and responsible for it's beginning.

    And what I have quoted is distilled from more than one translation and reviewed by ex-muslims and non muslim arab scholars for accuracy.

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  20. See dolty bot it is about how you pick and choose which quotes to base your argument on,

    The death penalty in the US is a perfect example...


    those who are for it quote the eye for an eye passage,


    and those opposed quote they those with out sin cast the first stone,

    By christian theology christ is the only person born with out sin....


    You pick and choose from a translated text, written in a different language from your own, which you did not grow up reading.

    You began to read after 9-11 thus your opinion is slanted, thus your resultds would be the same........

    because your looking for justification for your opinions...not the authentic believers who do not follow Osama or hezbollah....

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  21. fantasy foole said...

    ...thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians vilify also...
    -clif


    Hitler murdered gays in consecrastion camps

    reichwing christian vilify gays

    QED


    fantasy foole said;

    Another filthy smear of Christians, clippy's favorite target. Thanks clippy for demonstrating typical liberal insanity.


    see above foole

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  22. Besides that, the Hadith are simillar to the books in the new testament IN THAT they are different persons accounts of the same incident, (Bukhari and Al-Tabari) and can further be cross checked for accuracy.

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  23. Fair warning: Clif wrote: "thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians"

    Lydia, if you permit this, then you will permit me to write such things as "anti-Semitic Liberals." Lydia, if you don't want me using this language, then have Clif refrain from his hate speech as well.

    So, I am asking you, in advance, if Clif can use his hate speech, then I am allowed to use mine. OK?

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  24. dolty boy said;

    David Koresh was not the inspiration of the entire Christian religion from the very beginning.

    Mohammed WAS the inspiration for his religion and responsible for it's beginning.

    yes but by your own admission the words of the quran are not Mohammad writings...

    And what I have quoted is distilled

    distilled...cherry picked


    from more than one translation and reviewed by ex-muslims and non muslim arab scholars for accuracy.


    what website does your translation come from?

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  25. Tiny inTellect said;

    Fair warning: Clif wrote: "thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians"

    Not entirely accurate little mind,

    the entire quote..which I proved

    thus hitler did murder some of the same people the reichwing christians vilify also,

    see the post directed at fantasy foole

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  26. TT anti semic liberals is fine, its a general statement, but if you state that specific people like Lydia or mike are antisemetic then its a personal attack.

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  27. Come on dolty boy where you getting your quotes...your not making them up? I think not so you must have a source...how about a link?

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  28. Mike TT is looking for anything to slime from because the idiot in chief has had a few bad week again as usual

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  29. and of course lets lot forget that little evidence thingy TT, Clif provided evidence to support his argument as did I, you howver did not, not to mention your statement was a personal attack directed at specific people on the blog instead of a broad unspecified group.

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  30. Hell it got so bad for him he is gonna cut his sacred vacation short...you know the one he didn't cut short when he was told about the possibility of Osama attacking the US before 9-11. the vacation he stayed on as Katrina bore down on the US and while it destroyed the city of New Orleans..

    But the GOP might really lose in November so he's gotta give up some vacation time to politic for the repugs

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  31. Rusty said

    "Lydia, you're a hypoctite of the first order! You should be ashamed of yourself. Will you ever chastize one of you little minions when they call people nazi's, bigots, inbreds or many oter assorted names? I think not."


    100% true Rusty! Well said! Remember, shes a christian?


    Good things, like my 6:22 pm post in the "Devils Game" thread, are simply ignored by the good Lydia.

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  32. Volt I have to ask, how does a truck driver come to read the Quran??

    Did the Boys on Broad Street give you an education in the Quran and muslims.

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  33. I thought Lydia banned you johnny and all your slimy alias's yet you are still here?

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  34. Johnny whaty do you as a Canadian think of the pakistani's getting a heavy water reactor to make plutonium..which they might give to Iran or Korea like they did before with the other nuclear technology and information?

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  35. Yes TT, it would be nice if Lydia could define her version of insult/offensive for us.....in detail!

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  36. Come on Johnny and Voltdo the Pakistani's need that reactor...and should they have oit given their historic support of Osama and the Taliban?

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  37. I mean we attacked and destroyed a country we though might have a NUclear program...and advocate attacking another because they might be thinking about it...but the country that has a very bad track record well that is not a GOP talikng point?

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  38. most people dont need a personal attack defined, all it is is calling a speficic person a derogatory name or personally slandering or telling lies about that person, kinda like Jophnny does in all his posts.

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  39. Whats the matta Dolty boy don't want to give your website up?

    and no reichwingnut talking point to give about Pakistan's new reactor

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  40. What are you talking about mike? I was banned temporarily last night for defending honor and giving a freshie the benefit of the doubt.

    Ive never been banned permanently.

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  41. North korea wasnt a GOP Talking pint either during the push to invade Iraq.......they have nukes but no oil, while Iraq and Iran have lots of oil but no nukes!

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  42. I stand corrected Johnny, my apologees, you havent been banned permanently.....YET!

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  43. Cliff

    Ive talked about this before, Im not really keen on Iran possessing nuclear capability.

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  44. geez, don't get your shorts in a bunch. Ever heard of "dinner"?

    www.prophetofdoom.net
    Craig Wynn's site.

    I reccommended it to worf before too.
    There's a section called "Yada Yahweh"
    which being a bible scholar might fascinate him

    Have fun reading...

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  45. But you and worf should be for slander, lying, and the worst insults this blog has ever seen.

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  46. btw, try actually reading a bit of it before you automatically start knocking it 'eh?

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  47. He DOES go to great pains to make sure the translation is as accurate as possible.

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  48. But Mike Iraq Iran and North Korea were the axis of evil...and Pakistan gave nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea, but that is not a problem because Bush looked into Musharraf's muslim soul..and he didn't see anything wrong

    like hiding Osama and Mullah Omar.

    Training the Taliban so they can fight against Karzai's government and the US and NATO

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  49. Also, now that Lydia knows who the alleged hacker is, I should receive an apology from all you guys.

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  50. Johnny moo moo said...

    Cliff

    Ive talked about this before, Im not really keen on Iran possessing nuclear capability.

    johnny please do try and keep up, the reactor is in PAKISTAN and it is to make Plutonium not electricity

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  51. And you can peruse the archives here:

    http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php

    Just to see what ACTUAL muslim teachers have to say about the very same things.

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  52. Clif do you think there will be a renewed push to attack Iran if the the war intensifies, I dont just mean via the media, but an actual push to bomb Iran?

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  53. So that there will be no confusion, I have set the passages from Islam's scripture in bold-faced type . When quoting from the Qur'an and Hadith, I have elected to use a blended translation. No language transfers perfectly—one word to another. Five of my twelve translations of the Qur'an were combined to create the most accurate conveyance of the message possible. However, the writing quality is so poor, the proofreaders of this manuscript suggested that I help Allah and Muhammad out by cleaning up their grammar, punctuation, and verbosity. So for clarity and readability, I have trimmed their unruly word patterns and meaningless repetitions, being careful not to alter the meaning or message of any passage. Insertions within parenthesis (like this) were added by the Arabic translators to fill in missing words or to clarify the text. Insertions within brackets [like this] represent my observations.

    http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003

    His words not mine..................

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  54. Volt/FF, can you recommend a book that go's into detail about the Quran?

    Their religion is more violent than I thought after reading some of your posts.

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  55. My quest to understand Islam began on the morning of September 11th 2001. I wanted to know why Muslim militants were killing us. So I went off to Ground Zero for Islamic terror—Israel. The West Bank is home to more suicide bombers per capita than anywhere else on earth. I arranged to meet with the terrorists themselves. I asked members of al-Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, and Hamas why they were killing us. They said, “Islam. We are following Muhammad's orders.” That adventure is recounted in Tea With Terrorists . It covers a wide range of material and serves as a companion volume, connecting fundamental Islam to terrorism. Prophet of Doom focuses strictly on what the Islamic scriptures have to say.

    http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003

    His words not mine...but his slanted views do come through very clearly

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  56. interesting, most of us didnt know who attacked us on the morning of September 11, 2001, yet this person says their quest to know why muslim militants want to kill us began then........HMMMMMMMM?

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  57. And what? You think just using ONE translation would be better? Or maybe he shouldn't have ran it past Islamic scholars?

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  58. Oooooops....sorry Cliff.

    Well, Canada and Pakistan are friends and I have no problem with them making plutonium, however, I do have a problem with who they might sell it too.

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  59. My quest to understand Islam began on the morning of September 11th 2001.


    I invested 10,000 hours in pursuit of that answer. I wish everyone had. But knowing that not all are able, I have distilled what I discovered into these pages.

    Craig Winn
    November 2003
    ProphetOfDoom.net


    http://www.prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003

    his words not mine...


    Lets see 10,000 hours works out to be 415 days at 24 hours a day

    the total number of hours between sept11 2001 until november 2003 is 19,000, so he did NOTHING else...not work...nbot take weekends off, not give a speech or visit friends or family or celebrate holidays otherwise his claim of 10,000 hours is a bit BOGUS

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  60. Yeah Johnny, the one I just showed to clif. You can read it online or buy the hardcover. He posted it online because he's more interested in the salvation of muslims than in making a profit...

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  61. the proofreaders of this manuscript suggested that I help Allah and Muhammad out by cleaning up their grammar, punctuation, and verbosity. So for clarity and readability, I have trimmed their unruly word patterns and meaningless repetitions, being careful not to alter the meaning or message of any passage.

    translation it says what I want it to say...


    I invested 10,000 hours in pursuit of that answer.

    a very questional assertation...but nat absolutely impossible if he did nothing else but eat, sh*t, and sleep

    does not look so good dolty boy.....

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  62. Thanx Volt...Im very interested.

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  63. Your math is BOGUS clif.

    10,000 hours works out to 416.6 days.

    Divided by 365 days per year equals about 1.14 years.

    From Sept. 11, 2001 to Nov. (lets say 11) 2003 is 2 years 2 months.

    He worked on it quite a bit. But obviously not exclusively.

    It'd only go up to roughly 1.75 years if we give him 8 hours of sleep a day.

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  64. Johnny do you think if the ISI is capable of staging a coup and replacing Musharraf with somebody from their ranks who supports the Taliban and Osama Canada will still be their friend...but resta ssured you lower on their list of places to nuke if they get their hands on some for real from the stocks of the Pakistani's who are known to have more than a few....

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  65. Volt/FF, can you recommend a book that go's into detail about the Quran?

    Their religion is more violent than I thought after reading some of your posts.

    -Johnny Moomeister

    Read the Prophet of Doom. You can order it or read it on line for free. It is a complete annotated translation of the quran -- more detail than you will proly be able to finish. The quran is very repetitive; it says over and over again that Jews are to be scorned and killed. The quran is like the Muslim Mein Kampf. Both tomes even use the term "struggle" as in struggle to oppress Jews.

    Learn what Islam is all about then you will realize how lib apologists like clippy really know nothing about the topic.

    You will see that either clippy is ignorant, stupid, he is dishonestly attempting to mislead everyone, he is in denial because it is in conflict with his worship of the sick lib religion of political correctness and multi-culturism, or he is on his own personal jihad against Christians because some were mean to him once.

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  66. Dolty boy i said it was possible for him if he did nothing else but eat sh*t and sleep...or did you miss that part

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  67. Volt if he worked on that 16 hours a day for 2 years, I would say that was working on it exclusively, wouldnt you.

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  68. See dolty where did he get his funding for such an "academic" study or is he independently wealthy?

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  69. the proofreaders of this manuscript suggested that I help Allah and Muhammad out by cleaning up their grammar, punctuation, and verbosity.

    And who were they?

    "I have trimmed their unruly word patterns and meaningless repetitions, being careful not to alter the meaning or message of any passage. Insertions within parenthesis (like this) were added by the Arabic translators to fill in missing words or to clarify the text. Insertions within brackets [like this] represent my observations.

    He even ASKS you to read it for yourself:

    "The documented references in Prophet of Doom were derived from English translations of the following ancient Islamic manuscripts. I encourage you to purchase and read them. The Sirat Rasul Allah was written by Ibn Ishaq in 750 A.D. It was edited and abridged by Ibn Hisham in 830 and translated by Alfred Guillaume under the title, The Life of Muhammad in 1955 by Oxford Press. The History of al-Tabari was written by Abu Muhammad bin al-Tabari between 870 and 920 A.D. His monumental work was translated and published in 1987 through 1997 by the State University of New York Press. I quote from volumes I, II, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Al-Bukhari's Hadith, titled: Sahih Al-Bukhari and The True Traditions was collected by Imam Bukhari in 850 A.D. I have used the collector's original nomenclature because the only printed English translation (Publisher-Maktaba Dar-us-Salam, Translator-Muhammad Khan) was abridged and erroneously numbered. Finally, I recommend that you acquire at least three of the following Qur'an translations: Ahmed Ali, Pikthal, Noble by Muhsin Khan, Yusuf Ali, or Shakir. The oldest Qur'an fragments date to around 725 A.D.—a century after they were first recited."

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  70. fantasy foole said;

    You will see that either clippy is ignorant, stupid, he is dishonestly attempting to mislead everyone, he is in denial because it is in conflict with his worship of the sick lib religion of political correctness and multi-culturism, or he is on his own personal jihad against Christians because some were mean to him once.

    still testy I see..... son

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  71. Mike, Osama was reported as the prime suspect within minutes of the impact at the southern tower of the WTC.

    Listen to this live clip from Imus AS THE ATTACKS HAPPENED. This will send a chill down your spine.

    Chris Jansing of MSNBC mentions UBL minutes of the impacts.

    rhhardin1.home.mindspring.com/
    imuscut.sep11two.ra

    Paste this link into your browser.

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  72. Cliff

    I hardly doubt Canada would be a friend of a terrorist faction that supports violence and death.

    But it is good to know we are at the bottom of the list.

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  73. dolty he said he did the cleaning up to "help" allah.

    and if he dedicated this much time he was not working thus I would next ask where his funding came from, to know who paid the bills,

    Like AEI, hoover, hudson, the PNAC crowd are known to do

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  74. I don't know if he took outside funding or not clif. But he IS or WAS a businessman and fairly well off on his own.

    And you and Mikey read but do not comprehend.

    EVEN AT SIXTEEN HOURS A DAY HE COULD HAVE FINISHED HIS WORK IN 1 YEAR AND 9 MONTHS STILL LEAVING HIM 5 MONTHS FOR WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS ETC.

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  75. lets see here who's knowledge of muslims would you perceive as more credible a guy from the military that not only studied them, but went over there for a war and encountered them first hand or a pseudo know it all whose pic is an old man who wears a pointy cap similar to the one they make you sit in the corner with.

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  76. The liberals conspiracy theory concerning 911 is completely incomprehensible to me; I simply cannot believe a president would do this to his own people.

    However, his reaction in the school classroom was rather peculiar.

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  77. Volt he could have finished it in 1 year 9 months if he worked 16 hours EVERY SINGLE DAY and didnt spend any other time doing ANYTHING else like spending time with family, paying bills, buying groceries, watching tv, going on the Internet etc.......no one lives like that Volt, be realistic, hence my 2 year estimate which is still ambitious.

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  78. He also seems to be a very DEVOUT christian, although NOT in the established style. Read "Yada Yahweh". Ask worf what he thinks of it.

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  79. See dolty boy he gives no clue as to where he is getting his funding...like from AIPAC...or some similar anti arab porganisation which has a very real political bent...not interested in the truth any more than the PNAC crowd were about IRAQ

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  80. Johnny Moo Moo said;

    The liberals conspiracy theory concerning 911 is completely incomprehensible to me; I simply cannot believe a president would do this to his own people.

    I do not believe Bush or Cheney did it, they did not try and stop it..there is a big difference....

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  81. Mike! It is 2 YEARS AND 2 MONTHS from Sept. 2001 to Nov. 2003.

    IF HE DID NOTHING ELSE BUT SLEEP 8 HOURS A DAY HIS 10,000 HOURS WOULD ONLY TAKE 1 YEAR AND 9 MONTHS.

    YA THINK MAYBE THE REMAINING 5 MONTHS WERE WEEKENDS, HOLIDAYS, GROCERY SHOPPING ETC?

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  82. Johnny, how would I turn that audio link in my last post into a hot link?

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  83. Dolty if he is to claim authentication he should show who is paying the bill, because they are the ones paying for his books , before he can sell them, and if he's giving it away for free they are still paying for it.....

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  84. Cliff

    Isnt knowing about it and then doing nothing pretty much the same thing?

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  85. Guys, I will no longer be posting in here thanks to a few jerkoffs who think they're smart.

    I will be here if anyone wants to talk to me from now on, including trolls.

    Lydia Cornell Blog Beta Site

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  86. Exactly Clif, I do not believe Bush and Cheney did it either, but I believe they knew about it and let it happen to further their agenda.

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  87. TT

    I dont really know as Ive never attempted this before.

    Sorry

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  88. No Volt that 1 year 9 months thing is worhing EVERY DAY!, you take out a little time here and there for vacation and days that he took off or worked less than 16 hours to deal with other things and you are realistically up to 2 years, i'm not giving you a hard time, i'm just being realistic.

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  89. See dolty boy he gives no clue as to where he is getting his funding...like from AIPAC...or some similar anti arab porganisation which has a very real political bent...not interested in the truth any more than the PNAC crowd were about IRAQ
    -clippy

    Yeah clippy. Always dismiss the source.

    Anyone can also visit Faith Freedom a web site run by Ali Sina who was raised as a Muslim, but became apostate when he discovered his humanity.

    The facts are the same. Sina routinely has debates with every imaginable Islamic mullah and imam and shuts them down completely.

    You can also visit Ask The Imam a contemporary Q & A with Muslim authorities. A sample:

    Q: As for the punishment of stoning a person to death, are we as Muslims supposed to also follow the rule of Jesus whom said "Only those of you who are sinless may cast the first stone". Or can someone who has sinned stone another person to death?

    A: The Bible is replete with additions and inconsistencies. We are compelled to adhere to the Qur’aan and Hadith as our source of guidance and not the abrogated teachings of Eesa (Alayhis salaam).

    Every human being except the Ambiyaa (Alayhis salaam) is a sinner. If we apply the aforementioned principle to the punishment of stoning, the penal code of Islam will fall apart. In short, sinners can also stone adulteress to dead provided the punishment is carried out within the Islamic framework of the penal code.

    and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

    Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
    FATWA DEPT.

    CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai


    Clippy is the foole; don't let him foole you. This is too important.

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  90. what's the matta dolty boy...can't stand you hero's motives and actions being questioned ..and the answers don't really add up..his assertation is not verified unless by somebody he is not using to verify what he said...it should be by somebody who has no connection with him..like Juan Cole for example since Cole can read both english and arab dialects..he could verify it...but that would mean your hero would have to be above board, not another PNAC like group to promote hatred against muslims and justify the war on terra.....

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  91. Guys, I will no longer be posting in here thanks to a few jerkoffs who think they're smart.
    -Worf

    That I will hafta see to believe.

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  92. MIKE! SEPT. 2001 TO NOV. 2003

    EQUALS:
    TWO YEARS TWO MONTHS

    MINUS:
    ONE YEAR NINE MONTHS

    LEAVES:
    FIVE MONTHS
    TO KICK BACK RELAX, GO GROCERY SHOPPING, HAVE A HOLIDAY, A WEEKEND, ETC.

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  93. FF, seems Lydia as appointed Worf to set up her new blog at the other blogging service. That means he will have access to everyone's IP number, but he won't display his. I suggest we stay here.

    I trust Lydia with that info, but not Worf. Sorry, Worf.

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  94. fantasy foole said;

    Clippy is the foole; don't let him foole you. This is too important.

    yes the war on terra which has been the MOST abmismal military effort in the history of this country is too important to leave to the PNAC crowd and their propogandists and appologists

    like allowing Pakistan to build a reactor from which they will get Plutonium, while attgacking Iraq who had NONE

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  95. Volt, so your telling me this guy didnt go grocery shopping, didnt take a vacation, go to the bank, take a day off to go to a wedding or go to church or go anywhere with his kids for 1 year and 9 months, thats riddiculous, what if he got sick, what if his kids got sick etc......

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  96. TT said

    "seems Lydia as appointed Worf to set up her new blog at the other blogging service."

    How do you know this TT?

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  97. Quit yer crying TT you guys allready have everone's IP!

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  98. Voltaire said...

    MIKE! SEPT. 2001 TO NOV. 2003

    EQUALS:
    TWO YEARS TWO MONTHS

    MINUS:
    ONE YEAR NINE MONTHS

    LEAVES:
    FIVE MONTHS
    TO KICK BACK RELAX, GO GROCERY SHOPPING, HAVE A HOLIDAY, A WEEKEND, ETC.

    that is if he worked 16 hours a day foir that time....must be dedicated or streaching his hard work like repugs do

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  99. Johnny, if you look ast last night's blog, Worf said we was examining all forensic information going into LydiaCornell.com, and today he, not Lydia, announces the beta site. Clearly Lydia has asked him to be the system admin, and I know that Typepad provides all IP numbers from every post, which is not something blogger.com does, except in cases of abuse.

    As I said, I trust Lydia with my IP number, but not Worf.

    I've been thinking of setting up a blog myself, so, in the course of research, I came across this fact.

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  100. MIKE. *BANG* *BANG*

    (Thats my head hitting the desk)

    Follow me here.

    IF he had 2 years and 2 months availible, and it would have only taken 1 year and 9 months of continuous work, he has a margin of 5 months. Those 5 months do not have to be all at once.

    Those 5 extra months MAY account for days off, weekends, holidays taken a few days or even hours at a time THROUGHOUT the TWO YEARS TWO MONTHS.

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  101. 5 months left over does seem to be kinda pushing it.

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  102. Funny dolty bot believes in this clown so much he will believe anything like this guy dropped his entire life just to persue this question and nobody paid him or had a political reason to want this website for muslimhating people to spew their hate in and to link to to spread their partiucular brand of BIGOTRY

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  103. AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!

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  104. Good evening everyone!

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  105. Dont forget Volt, sleeping, eating, shaving, cooking, banging, etc....

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  106. Volt what i'm saying is are you trying to tell me that for that entire 1 year and 9 months he worked 16 hours every single day with out taking any time off for anything, life doesnt work that way Volt unless maybe you are in jail, stuff always comes up.

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  107. And this guy would work 16 hours a day ignoring everything else he used to do just to get a book out for the masses

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  108. Dolty thinks we are THAT stupidly gullible because repug usually are

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  109. I think Worf has Lydia brainwashed into setting up a whole new site when this one works just fine, as far as my experience goes.

    FYI, Iowahawk totally shut down his typepad comment sections because he couldn't handle it.

    If it ain broke, why fix it.

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  110. ok Dolt I see your point it is doable, but unlikely, you could be right its certainly possible, but clif also has a valid point, for him to dedicate over 2 years of his life someone had to be paying the bills and financing this for him.

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  111. finding the repug website free. thanks vlot


    finding inconsistancies in it free alsoi but I had to read a load of CRAP to get there...

    Voltaire said...

    AAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!


    watching a repug neo-con mentally explode when this is pointed out


    PRICELESS

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  112. Well, Im taking your advice TT.

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  113. Voltaire, I'm very impressed that you answered my questions...a day later. Thank you. I don't agree with some of your answers however, but it doesn't matter, because the war in Iraq and the current situation in the rest of the Middle East is going as planned. Here's why:

    http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:0oVaTHb8yq8J:www.stanford.edu/group/peace/docs/march5th/BeninSanJose.doc+benjamin+netanyahu+1996+A+Clean+Break+likud+party&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=10&ie=UTF-8

    (I'll be right back because I have to help my son do something!)

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  114. Whats wrong Troll Tex, are you telling us you wont be joining us if the blog does move, i'd be devastated without you!

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  115. just kidding, if it does move dont let the door hit you in the ass moo moo and TT.

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  116. sure Troll Tex, it works JUST FINE for you guys.

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  117. I may join you, but I think things are fine here.

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  118. Quit using your buddies quotes mikey....try to be original for once.

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  119. Sick stuff FF.
    -Johnny Moomeister

    Indeed Johnny. It is difficult for western minds to believe the pure evil of pure Islam. I too was ignorant about it until a couple years ago. The libs have covered their eyes with politically-correct blinders. The European civilization is perhaps already lost; France is 10% Muslim and as you saw with the car burnings, these folks do not exactly consider themselves French.

    Read the work of Hirsi Ali, Oriana Fallaci, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq and see what the folks are saying over at Little Green Footballs.

    Eurabia is happening. Liberalism is false.

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  120. Kay,

    Which ones don't you agree with?

    Why?

    And what do feel the real answers are?

    Thanx.

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  121. Not only has my buddy Iowahawk shut down his comments section, he told me he will be moving from typepad in the next six months, possibly to the paid version of blogger.

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  122. Mike,

    How come you weren't picked to set up Lydia's new site...you thought she was your girlfriend...lmao

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  123. Mikey,pray tell,what rant are you on today?

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  124. FF

    Are you suggesting we exclude all Muslims from the melting pot?

    Also, I have checked out Little Footballs several times.... l,ll visit more often. Just Danny seems to be an ok guy.

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  125. Mike,

    I can understand why you would drool over Lydia, but Mike she is way out of your league...Mike you don't have a pot to piss in!

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  126. I seem to remember Mike telling Lydia she was his favorite actress when he was a teenager.I guess that did'nt sway ole Lyd towards Mike.

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  127. Tiny inTellect said...

    Not only has my buddy Iowahawk shut down his comments section, he told me he will be moving from typepad in the next six months, possibly to the paid version of blogger.


    wonder why not enough traffic for the reichwingnut foole?

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  128. Johnny, as FF and I have repeatedly pointed out, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE, just bad muslims. GOOD MUSLIMS flew planes into the WTC on Sept. 11.

    Matter of fact, I'll bet plenty would LEAVE Islam all on their own if the penalty wasn't death.

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  129. Iowahawk gets about 100 times, or more, the traffic than LC.

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  130. Lookie the trolls are out in force after one of their hate sites is outed as not as much as it claims...BUT nobody but johnny thinks the Pakistani's having access to make enough plutonium to make 50 bombs a year and then possibly give some of it to Iran or North Korea is worth discussing...just personnal attacks and vindictive comments becaiuse they know things are gonna change even the idiot knows it

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  131. you have been banned rusty

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  132. This guy Israel is holding and Hezbollah wants back is a GOOD muslim,

    Sami Kuntar, a terrorist who killed a 4-year-old girl by smashing her head with a rifle butt...

    But he's a BAD person.

    Most I believe are the opposite.

    (a bad muslim is one who is peaceful and will not jihaad) THAT makes them good people.

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  133. Voltaire said...

    Johnny, as FF and I have repeatedly pointed out, NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD PEOPLE, just bad muslims. GOOD MUSLIMS flew planes into the WTC on Sept. 11.

    because we are the religion police and can tell everybody who is a good muslim or bad muslim because WE say so

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  134. Are you suggesting we exclude all Muslims from the melting pot?
    -Johnny Moomeister

    Quite the opposite. Muslims need to appreciate and accept the culture of the Western countries in which they dwell. However, it is Islam that teaches them not to assimilate, but instead urges that they attempt to subjugate the native people and implement shariah in place of Western civilization.

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  135. TT, what do you mean it provides IP's it publicly displays them or just logs them?

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  136. Volt he and PFC Green should do life together if what you posted is true

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  137. Your right cliffy, IT IS A HATE SITE.
    But the hatred is ALL in the Quran.

    Would it help if I told you he thinks the Iraq war is wrong? How about if I told you he isn't fond of Bush?

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  138. Then Pfc Green and Sami Kuntar could hate the rest of the world from their little cell..together....

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  139. Last comment.

    The f'rs won this round.

    This is my final post on this server. Lydia has no control of this eblogger server but the new one she has full control of. Thats the only way I am going to play anymore.

    I wanted to say to my buddies in here thanks, its been real, and to the trolls in here, fU very much.

    Well see you all in the funny papers.

    Worfeus

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  140. Both, Mike, but Blogger.com will provide the sys admin the IP only in the cases of abuse. Typepad provides it for all posts. To display it is an option of the sys admin.

    Since Worfeus is now the de facto sys admin, I will still post, but I will have one more hoop to jump through.

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  141. Well clif, why don't you buy a Quran on your own and try reading it? Although I'm sure you'll find a PC sanitized and edited version and waste both of our times...

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  142. Funny fantasy foole one major I met in the US military was a devout muslim..he followed the religion as much as I could tell, and he never chopped anybodies head

    And the Egyptian Captain that trained with my OBC class was not as you claim they are..but he was really devout, and did follow the religion so far as when we were in a field exercise, he would stop everything and pray..it was a bit anoying but we survived three months with him around, and he chopped nobodies head off....

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  143. Volt said

    "Matter of fact, I'll bet plenty would LEAVE Islam all on their own if the penalty wasn't death."

    You could be right Volt, however, there are some who indicate this is impossible as their religion is embedded into their very fibre.

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  144. I'm NOT saying they're ALL bad people clif. But the GOOD people simply aren't "practicing" muslims.

    Libs are the ones who claim they hate theocracies. Here's one MUCH worse than anything EVER done in the name of Jesus...

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  145. Well clif, why don't you buy a Quran on your own and try reading it? Although I'm sure you'll find a PC sanitized and edited version and waste both of our times...
    -Voltaire

    Volt, libs like clif are kool-aid drinkers -- no facts will change their minds.

    Obviously both sides cannot be right.

    I urge Johnny and everyone still capable of critical thinking to find out for themselves who is right. That's what I did a couple years ago when faced with similar conflicting information.

    The facts are indeed astounding.

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  146. FF said

    "Quite the opposite. Muslims need to appreciate and accept the culture of the Western countries in which they dwell."

    Excellent...I 100% concur.

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  147. Okay, I'm back! Sorry about that.

    Voltaire,

    It's not really known whether or not Mohammad wrote the whole Koran, but he was used as a vessel to write most of it by Allah (kind of like how Jesus was the vessel to spread the word of God). I think you pointed out that in addition to Mohammad writing, there were also some references by other prophets such as Abraham included in the Koran.

    The Jews were the original Infidels because they had all the money and control during Mohammad's time...and Jews were almost "Romanesque" in their approach to citizens of the day. Today, Americans are the Infidels because we have all the money and control and because we support the Jews.

    All the research that I've done says that it was the 5th century that Mohammad lived but I could very well be wrong.

    I actually find Mohammad to be very intriquing because his life is well documented, unlike Jesus' (Jesus was born and then there isn't much about him until his 30's), and he was standing up for his people by writing what he wrote. It's no different than today....book writers for the most part reflect today's views.

    Also, let's not forget that Christians today say that only Christians go to Heaven and they are in the process right now of trying to get rid of Muslims. To be a Christian doesn't mean to be a good human in all cases. Muslims also have their bad apples too. The best way to get to the root of the problem is to look at the root! lol

    The whole mess that is happening now stems from the past but there are a lot of current players too. The Bush Admin (PNACers, AIPAC, and Likkud) are part of it, so blaming the Muslims for the problems of the Earth is silly.

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  148. From what I've heard and read clif, Islam is kinda like Catholocism of old where all the masses were in latin and the priest just told you what it meant.

    That's pretty much the understanding MOST muslims have of their own religion.

    The terrorists though, THEY'VE read the book for themselves and know EXACTLY what it means.

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  149. Hitler was a Christian let's not forget! So wasn't Ted Bundy, David Koresh, the BTK killer, and many others! To say that Muslims are the only sect of people who commit atrocities is really unfair. I can guarantee you that if we were to add up all the murders in our country from last year and then added up all the murders by Muslims across the planet, I bet our country would have the most!

    Blaming the Muslims is childish and it avoids the real argument: why are they angry at us?

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  150. NO WORF IS NOT THE SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE NEW SITE. FOR WEEKS I'VE BEEN TRYING OUT NEW SERVERS TO FIND ONE THAT DOESN'T ALLOW HACKERS.

    I AM TESTING THE SITE FOR AWHILE.

    BUT I WILL MAKE A DECISION LATER AND KEEP THIS ONE FOR NOW.

    THANKS,

    I NOTIFIED SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO COMPLAINED THEY WERE BEING LOCKED OUT OF THIS SITE, TO POST OVER AT THE OTHER SITE.

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  151. I have a guy who works for me. It's not Worf.

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  152. Kay,

    Jesus life is MUCH more documented than Mohammeds. And even Islamic scholars don't know who wrote the Quran. Mohammed himself was illiterate.

    They plagurized some of the Torah into the Quran, but they distorted and warped the meaning.

    I have read that Mohammed was particularly mad because the priests of the day (christian and jewish) would not make him a saint.

    But even a cursory reading of the Quran will convince you its ANYTHING but "peaceful".

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  153. Now that we are being civil, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to Mike and Lydia if I in any way said or implied that they were anti-semitic or bigoted. In the heat of battle, sometimes we say things we don't really mean.

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  154. The Bible is peaceful?

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  155. KAYINMAINE SAID:

    Blaming the Muslims is childish and it avoids the real argument: why are they angry at us?

    Kay, that's exactly the million dollar question. It's all in my friend Robert Dreyfuss' book "DEVIL'S GAME: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam" PUblished by HOLT, 2006

    This is a scholarly work which reveals a history most of us have no idea about. It will shock you.

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  156. Kay,

    You'd be wrong.

    AND it doesn't distract from the question.

    They HATE everyone who hasn't pledged his life and fortune to Allah.
    (the GOOD muslims anyway)

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  157. Most of what you would accuse christians of here are "crimes".

    The killing that goes on in the muslim world is called "sharia", and it's the law in their countries.

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  158. "Lydia Cornell said...
    I have a guy who works for me. It's not Worf.

    5:27 PM"

    Lydia, I accept your word on this, but what did Worf mean last night when he said he was examining forensic data. Did you ask him to help you technically?

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  159. If the Bible is so peaceful, then please explain why Evangelical Christians in the White House are killing innocent people in Iraq and torturing others in prisons...and why these same Christians are sending loads and loads of new kinds of bombs (think Napalm or phosophorus) to Israel right now!!!!!!!

    Are Muslims doing that right now? If they are, is it because the "Infidels" are trying to destroy them, so they're defending themselves?

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  160. Lydia, I agree! Worfeus, don't leave us now. We need you. :-) (and I know that and I've only been on here for two whole days!)

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  161. TALL TEXAN SAID: Now that we are being civil, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to Mike and Lydia if I in any way said or implied that they were anti-semitic or bigoted. In the heat of battle, sometimes we say things we don't really mean.

    - Thank you for that apology TT. I appreciate it.

    WORF: I really don't want you to leave this site forever. That would take all the passion out of it.

    Please don't go.

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  162. Don't Christians despise those who do not believe in God and think they will all go to Hell and burn for eternity? Huh?

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  163. That's why I say Islam is a poison for the mind. If we "love" these people, we need to get them off of it.

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  164. Lydia

    Are you saying you've never banned me?

    I remember your e-mail to me saying: "I did not ban you."

    I didnt believe you.

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  165. TT SAID:
    Lydia, I accept your word on this, but what did Worf mean last night when he said he was examining forensic data. Did you ask him to help you technically?

    No. He means he was blocked from posting here. I guess he was analyzing why.

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  166. Funny fantasy foole one major I met in the US military was a devout muslim..he followed the religion as much as I could tell, and he never chopped anybodies head

    And the Egyptian Captain that trained with my OBC class was not as you claim they are..but he was really devout, and did follow the religion so far as when we were in a field exercise, he would stop everything and pray..it was a bit anoying but we survived three months with him around, and he chopped nobodies head off....

    -clippy

    Yes I've known some fine Muslim folks myself. I worked with an outgoing young Muslim lady, attended her wedding and ate her wonderful Indian food; I partied with her and her husband; they were very cool folks; they did not drink which was fine.

    However they were essentially Westerners; they had totally assimilated into Western culture. They didn't do the annoying prayer thing and she was not covered.

    The facts remain. It is possible to be a good person if one embraces the Golden Rule, regardless of his religion. However, by understanding Islam and the manner in which its practitioners are forced to follow it to the letter when in dar al Islam, we must conclude that such good people are being bad Muslims.

    It is essential that Muslims become tolerant of other religions and less sensitive to criticism of their own.

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  167. Can we all agree that our CIA has for years behind the scenes done things in Muslim countries that Americans don't know about and the Muslim and Arabs do? Didn't we have death squads trained by our CIA to kill nuns in South America? Don't you think that America has to take some blame in all of this? I think so. I think as a country, especially after the horror we witnessed on 9/11, needs to start looking deep within itself and start making good with the world. This doesn't mean that our country hasn't done some great things over the years, but I think we've done some stuff that has inflamed people against us. Until we start treating those people with respect it is never going to end. As a mother, I view my country almost as my child. When it is being good, I revel in it, but when it is being naughty or bad, I want it to know the mistake it has made, correct it, and learn from it.

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  168. Somehow I just knew this discussion about religion was going to get back to politics. *sigh*

    Kay, Muslims have been warring and killing for centuries. Sometimes when we were there, sometimes when we weren't. When we're not they simply kill each other.

    Christianity has had it's violent and very un-christian times. Islam is still having them, only it's not un-islamic, it is the truth of the religion.

    Even IF you believe Bush has evil intent on doing this, Islam is still MUCH MUCH worse.

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  169. Why are all of you so worried about what Lydia does with her blog? It's her blog! She can delete comments, ban people, let people stay, hire people to watch it, and can post whatever she darn well pleases.

    Just an observation....lol

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  170. fantasy foole said;

    They didn't do the annoying prayer thing ..

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    so people who pray annoy you?

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  171. OK, Lydia, thanks for the clarification. I think I understand now.

    Whatever happened last night, the blog seemed normal, and at no time was I prevented from posting.

    But if there were "backend" issues, that is something I would not know about.

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  172. Well, at least christianity doesnt preach death. Nevertheless, it still sucks....LOL!

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  173. fantasy foole said;

    It is essential that Muslims become tolerant of other religions and less sensitive to criticism of their own.

    I agree with that comment, but christians like Jerry Falwell and James Dobson and Pat Robertson, et al could use the same advice

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  174. Somehow I just knew this discussion about religion was going to get back to politics. *sigh*

    Kay, Muslims have been warring and killing for centuries. Sometimes when we were there, sometimes when we weren't. When we're not they simply kill each other.

    Christianity has had it's violent and very un-christian times. Islam is still having them, only it's not un-islamic, it is the truth of the religion.

    Even IF you believe Bush has evil intent on doing this, Islam is still MUCH MUCH worse.

    -Volt

    Brilliantly concise. You are the master.

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  175. Exactly Kay! Well put. As a mother of two sons, I have the same view. I abhor my sons' attraction toward violent video games. I have to put a stop to it. But I love them no matter what.

    Same feeling I have for America.

    I wish the media would stop enabling the Bush crime family.

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  176. This freshie acts like we have to answer to her or something.....LOL!

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  177. Voltaire no offense to you or anyone, but this is why I don't hold myself to any religious view. I find that religion and religious views tends to be too rigid and people start behaving weirdly and in some cases...violently. You're right though, Islam does have quite a history but so doesn't Christianity and all of it's sects! All wars tend to be religious or tribal and it makes my skin crawl.

    Like I said on another post, I tend to be more "Pagan" in my beliefs because if I chose the sun or the birds outside to my "God" on a particular day, it feels good. The sun doesn't tell me what to think or what to believe and neither do the birds! I can just revel in their beauty and be thankful I'm alive.

    Very simplistic view I have on this, but it's how I feel and it works for me.

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  178. Johnny said;

    Well, at least christianity doesnt preach death.

    Not today as it did during the inquisition or the witch trials of salem..or the lynchings of blacks during the century after the civil war by GOOD christians

    see Johnny it is all how your gonna cut off the people you want to look at..and the time period you want to include or exclude

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  179. so people who pray annoy you?
    -clif

    Stopping everything to pray five times per day is going to lead to a loss of productivity. This may be part of the reason that Muslim countries are backward and impoverished.

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  180. Exactly Clif, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are two examples of why today my "God" was my dog. And guess what? When I got home today "God" jumped all over me because he was so happy to see me! lol

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  181. dolty boy said;

    When we're not they simply kill each other.

    like Europe from the collapse of the roman empire until well the Kosovo war?

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  182. There's a reason dog is God "backwards." That's the way God loves us: UNCONDITIONALLY!

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  183. Johnny,

    Well put.

    Some people are like the old saying..."big winds come from empty caves"!

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  184. FF/Volt

    You guys have cleverly pointed out all the facts and numbers in previous threads....it is a bummer to repeat them for every new Joe who walks into the room.

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  185. “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
    -Qur’an:9:123

    “‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”
    -Ishaq: 676

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  186. Cliff

    I know it did a long time ago, but it doesnt anymore..... Islam still does!

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  187. That's right Lydia! We mothers have to stick together on this. Our country is an incredible one but that doesn't mean the leaders of it at anytime can abuse it or it's reputation!

    The Bush Crime Family (I use that description a lot too!) has quite the cheering section when it comes to the media, doesn't it? I've never been so furious than after 9/11 when the media (all media, I may add) just didn't ever question what happened. They waved their pom poms during the drum up to the immoral Iraq war and they really haven't wavered too far from that either. Keith Olberman's Countdown is pretty much the only news program that asks real questions, other than that, it's all propaganda!

    Makes me furious.

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  188. fantasy foole said;

    Stopping everything to pray five times per day is going to lead to a loss of productivity.

    Ah as usual it is about MONEY... and as Jesus said in Matthew 6:24“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.


    obviously they have chosen to place what they percieve as GOD first and that bothers you......eh?

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  189. Your killin me Volt......sick stuff man!

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  190. dippy said...

    Johnny,

    Well put.

    Some people are like the old saying..."big winds come from empty caves"!

    limp man and coulterguist nuff said

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  191. Johnny moo moo said...
    This freshie acts like we have to answer to her or something.....LOL!

    5:46 PM

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    And Johnny Loo Loo says stupid things to get attention!

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  192. Clif, the DIFFERENCE I'm trying to impress on you is that no matter how BAD you think Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell are, on their WORST day they won't KILL you.

    A true muslim WILL on his BEST day.

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  193. "That's the way God loves us: UNCONDITIONALLY!"

    LOL! Words are hollow without actions!

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  194. Well, at least christianity doesnt preach death.

    Not today as it did during the inquisition or the witch trials of salem..or the lynchings of blacks during the century after the civil war by GOOD christians

    see Johnny it is all how your gonna cut off the people you want to look at..and the time period you want to include or exclude

    -clif

    It is disingenuous to attempt to confuse criminals who commit crimes in the name of religion, with the actual teachings of the religion.

    There is absolutely no support in the New Testament for the Spanish Inquisition, lynchings, or witch trials.

    Besides this is largely irrelevant since very few Christians today take every word of the Bible literally.

    The opposite is true of Islam. The quran is brimming with hatred, misogyny and encitement to violence and Muslims are required to take it literally as Allah has perfected it.

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  195. Voltaire, what does it say in the Bible about goats? Very intriguing....lol

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  196. And did God really come down to Ezekial riding a UFO with 7 heads that spun around? lol

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  197. Clif,

    Nobody favors war and death, but unfortunately those are the prices we pay.

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