Saturday, July 22, 2006

AN ISRAELI SOLDIER'S POINT OF VIEW

Last night I had dinner with an amazing soldier who flew reconnaissance missions over Lebanon last week from Israel. Though he lived in Israel for 21 years, he has also lived in the United States for over 30 years, and made his fortune here. He's was a sharp-shooter in the Israeli military but still flies missions. I believe he's in their National Guard. Last week he used rapid-fire to shoot Hezbollah on the ground from his plane.

He enlightened me about many things: he said that every Israeli soldier is indoctrinated — practically brainwashed — on the importance of saving civilian lives, and going out of their way to NEVER hit civilians. This is drilled into them from the beginning of their training. This is of the utmost importance and they go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. For example, regarding yesterdays attack on the Mosque: they used close-range satellite technology to see inside the Mosque, and saw that bombs were being stored there. They first dropped leaflets announcing to all civilians to get out of harms way. Only then, did they attack.

He also said that every Israeli thinks now is the time to once and for all get rid of Hezbollah. No Israeli wants to back down. He also said my information is wrong regarding Israelis holding children as prisoners, and that the only prisoners they are holding are terrorists.

I deeply honor and respect this soldier's position. I pray for Israel's success.

But on a higher level, the spiritual level which I know is the solution to everything — this is the Way: only by disarming our enemies with the shock of non-retaliation can we ever have true, lasting peace. No one has ever tried it before. I don't mean grumbling with hatred while avoiding confrontation like cowards. I don't mean FEAR-BASED avoidance.

I mean truly going out of our way to NOT REACT, to be still. We and the Israelites must stop giving our enemies so much power by fearing them. We must change our thinking about our enemies. But this takes a huge leap in consciousness to come out of the primitive, archaic religious thought into the New Thought. We must lead by a new, enlightened path. Don't react. Trust God before reacting with force. An eye-for-an-eye only makes us blind.

Just like in this blog: when an angry person doesn't get a reaction he has nothing left to fight. In fact, when I asked this man if he thinks Hezbollah will be annihilated through a catastrophic bombing campaign, he said no. The evidence is that retaliation just breeds more of the same: they will proliferate like cockroaches and embed themselves deeper into civilian communities.

I truly believe the only way to fight is to send our prayers (meaning: change our consciousness toward our enemies by seeing them as children of a loving God. Though ignorant and spiritually sick, Love (God) can truly heal them.) and pray for our enemies, the way the Great Peacemaker instructed. Love disarms the worst evil.

Every time I have an enemy, when I change my thought about him, he changes too.

To Newlyweds Stacy and Ned: Congratulations! (A good friend of mine, Stacy, spent her honeymoon in Israel, after having lived there for several months in separate quarters from her fiance. The couple is from California; they got deeper into their faith prior to marriage. God Bless them.

To the HACKER who has broken a pipe on this blog and prevented people they disagree with from commenting. We have launched a full-scale investigation. I will be on several radio shows this week letting people know how our government wastes tax-payer money by hacking into blogs to stop the truth from coming out. There is an agency above the one you work for.

1,019 comments:

  1. Excellent article.

    If the Israeli people want to truly beat Hezbollah, then they need to do one of two things.

    1. Win over the hearts and minds of the people like the Lebanese among whom they hide.

    2. Kill every man women and child in the regions where they dwell.

    If they want to do the first, then they need to stop killing civillians just to get at Hezbollah.

    You cannot win peoples hearts and minds while you are blowing them up, a fact we sorely learned in Iraq.

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  2. WHAT HAPPENED TO PRINCIPLES and morals? If you operate from principle you never have to worry. You dont' have to side with Israel when they overreact and bomb innocent civilians. Bush's neocons have no interest in what's right. They lie, cheat and steal. Obviously Bush doesn't really want peace. What a tragedy.
    -Lydia Cornell

    He enlightened me about many things: he said that every Israeli soldier is indoctrinated — practically brainwashed — on the importance of saving civilian lives, and going out of their way to NEVER hit civilians. This is drilled into them from the beginning of their training. This is of the utmost importance and they go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties.
    -Lydia Cornell, describing an Israeli War Hero, gallantly defending the Jews' ancient homeland

    It warms my heart when even liberals occasionally can become enlightened.

    Perhaps prayer really does work, but sometimes not in the way one intends.

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  3. She qualified everything she wrote by advocating Israel stop their attacks.


    But what more can I expect? You to actually NOT try and frame her words to fit YOUR meanings?

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  4. FF There's a huge difference between what is visible and gives immediate gratification, and what is True; the spiritual essence of man is what is true.

    And there is a reason the Arabs and Israelis are next door to each other: they just don't get it yet. they are neighbors in order to learn to overcome their hatred. Bombing is NEVER the real answer.

    But advanced thinkers and spiritual people know this. Blood lust can never satisfy you.

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  5. Blood lust can never satisfy people who love to fight. The fight is a high in itself. It's like a drug.

    "The most spiritual growth happens with your enemies." And that's all that counts. Because where your heart is, there your treasure is also.

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  6. FF,

    I like this one better from the "Definition of insanity" post:

    "To those who say, "We tried that and it didn't work," I say then you need to try again"
    -Marci Winograd

    "And another definition of insanity: "doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.""
    -Lydia Cornell

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  7. "change our consciousness toward our enemies by seeing them as children of a loving God"
    -Lydia

    But alas, they are not. They are the children of a vicious hateful god.
    Allah has commanded the true believers to kill ALL the infidels until all serve allah. There is no room in Islam for any other belief system.

    As FF and myself have many times previously stated, most muslims MAY be good people, but they're BAD muslims. We've seen the GOOD muslims. They're the ones flying planes into buildings and beheading people.

    Evil does exist Lydia. And IT grows when not focused upon. Like I said last night, it cannot be bargained with, talked to or respect any treaty signed with it. It MUST be eradicated period.

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  8. Israel & Palestine are two very interesting entities. What warms my heart is that Palestinians and Israeli Jews do live peacefully side by side, so I can't put any blame on those individuals who are setting aside their trespasses and are viewing each other as human beings, but the way I see the conflict is the LEADERS of the people who are the ones who are the aggressors and who are the ones who are keeping the fight alive. For right now, I view Israel as overreacting to two of their soldiers being captured by Palestinians (considering it is the Palestinians who are retaliating against Israel for killing Palestinians on a beach), but the whole mess over there shouldn't be extending into the surrounding areas such as Lebanon! Where does it end? At this point it doesn't matter who is to blame for this and that, what matters is SOMEONE has to stand up and say, "enough is enough!". It won't happen. Our government is now arming Israel to the hilt and this war aggression will multiply and the whole area will be a war with one another.

    But really, isn't that the plan of the Bush Cartel?

    The PNACers of the 1990's wanted what we are witnessing today. It's no accident and like Tony Snow admitted last week....Bush and his coherts have been in contact with Israel behind the scenes for a year now. Oh boy. Israel is the Bush Cartel's tool right now. They're using them to stir up the bee's nest so Iran and/or Syria will retaliate, which will give the Cartel reason to invade.....at the very least....Iran! Iran has oil....lots of it. It's the one country that hasn't been hooked up to the big huge pipeline!!!

    So, who do we blame for the last few weeks of violent flareup in the Middle East? Pick whoever you want!!!

    All I'm going to say is violence, murder, and killing is not the answer to the road of peace. Everyone involved doesn't want peace either. This conflict will (and has!) go on forever and the Bush Cartel is hoping they can control the whole region and it's oil so they can COMPLETELY control the flow of oil to the planet. Hey, controlling the flow of oil as we've seen in the last few years has been very profitable! Killing and illegally invading countries has been a "wonderful" technique and has worked well for those who love money, power, and greed.

    No wonder Babs Bush doesn't want to hurt her beautiful mind by looking at the flag-draped coffins of our dead soldiers. It's too painful for her....er well....it's the result of her son and his friend's greed and she just can't bear to be reminded of it!

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  9. Wow, what an evil hateful person you are kay...

    (by the way genius, it was HEZBOLLAH FROM LEBANON who kidnapped the 2 Israeli soldiers NOT the palestinians.

    HAMAS in palestine kidnapped 1 soldier and that is why they invaded Gaza. -please try to know what the hell you're talking about before spewing.)

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  10. Only 38? From your pic I would've assumed you were MUCH MUCH older.
    Must be all that hatred.

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  11. Uh Voltaire! There was another capture of Isrealis by the Palestinians BEFORE THE ISREALIS WENT OVER THE BORDER INTO LEBANON and two more Israeli soldiers were captured!

    Do you watch the news or do you watch Faux News? Huh?

    It's funny....the Israelis move out of Gaza and the Palestinians launch a few rockets into Isreal....and nothing. No retaliation or anything. But...suddenly the Israelis kill a bunch of Palestinians standing on a beach and then the Palestinians capture two Israeli soldiers and then all of sudden ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE! Gee, wonder why that is? Hmmmmmmm......Bush has been talking with the Israelis behind the scenes....no attacks of retaliation for almost a year and then BAMMO!....Israel goes on a rampage when Bush and his Cartel are wringing their hands for ANY excuse to get into Iran! Wow! The timing is incredible!!

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  12. Voltaire call me anything you want. Call me fat, call me ugly, call me a liberal, but one thing you can't deny is THE TRUTH IS A LIBERAL BIAS!!! You need to put the Budweiser down long enough to listen to what is going on in the world. Can you do that for me? Pay attention?

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  13. I despise the Bush family and their ideologies...always have, always will. I can't shut up about it and I never will either. I love my country more than anything and watching it slowly slip into a tyrannical dictatorship is disheartening. I blog because I care. If you agree, feel free to leave a comment on any thread I've posted to let me know how you are feeling! However, if you're an Internet Troll, I will send you to Blogger Hell.
    -KayInMaine

    Voltaire, you are playin wit fire, buddy. This lady could easily hurt you if she chose to do so.

    She clearly wants to hear from you only if you are a fellow Bush hater. You have been warned.

    /I wonder where Blogger Hell is? Do you suppose it is hotter than regular hell? It's mitey hot here today on earth; proly the global warming thang kickin in.

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  14. Voltaire, isn't it the Christians who say that only Christians will go to Heaven and everyone else will not?

    You really need to judge yourself before you judge others. Saying that ALL Muslims are bad is immature and wrong. Agree?

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  15. Uh, excuse me, but I've been talking with Americans on both sides of the isle for years now and I love the debate. I agree with Lydia that the personal attacks are not needed and show the immaturity and the lack of words to talk about the issue at hand.

    If I have posted anything that is wrong or incorrect, THEN LINK TO SOMETHING THAT PROVES YOUR POSITION OR LET OTHERS KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING, rather than make it personal. Do you get that? Understand?

    I hate Bush, his family, and his friends. I'm not denying that. If you all love him and can't wait to have a beer with him in Heaven than good for you! I'm just not going to agree with you, okay? You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you. We have agreed to disagree, get it?

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  16. Kay you REALLY need to get your timeline straight.

    The palestinians kidnapped 1 Israeli soldier. The Israelis invaded Gaza. To the very best of MY knowledge they are still there...

    Hezbollah, a lebanon based terrorist organization kidnapped 2 Israeli soldiers last week. Israel then invaded Lebanon. To the very best of my knowledge they are also STILL there...

    IF you have any different information PLEASE feel free to post a link...

    ALSO try actually watching FOX news and you MIGHT find you are better informed than your fellow liberal Bush haters.

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  17. You know FF, If they have a brain and STILL hate Bush, that's one thing. But when idiots and morons just pick up the clarion call to try to SOUND smart that REALLY offends me.

    Hey, if you're gonna hate him at least hate him for real reasons...

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  18. Geez louise,
    DID YOU EVEN READ MY POST?

    I said: "Most muslims MAY be good people, their just bad muslims."

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  19. FF, She hasn't got a clue whats actually going on over there, but she's telling ME to pay attention...

    LOL

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  20. "You really need to judge yourself before you judge others."

    Agreed. Find an unbreakable mirror and look into it once in awhile.

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  21. Okay Voltaire, I'll give you that it was ONLY ONE ISRAELI soldier that was captured by the Palestinians but it was originally reported as two for a few days and I still have that number in my head.

    The reports in the Middle East and in Europe (and it was also the first report I heard on CNN International here in the US) SAID THAT ISRAEL WENT OVER THE BORDER INTO LEBANON and an attack insued. Some Israeli soldiers died and two were captured by Lebanon. After a few days it was reported that Israel was 200 yards from the Lebanese border, but still, that is in dispute. Why would the Israelis be 200 yards from the border? To provoke an attack by Lebanon so they could bomb the country to smithereens? Were they actually already over the border? Who knows!

    The REALITY is is that Israel is the aggressor right now. They are WAY OVERREACTING, don't you think? If Sharon was mentally competent, I don't think this type of reaction by the Israelis would be happening. The current leaders of Israel are the ones who are doing this.

    I don't like it. As a liberal, I don't like war and aggression AND I DON'T CARE WHO STARTS IT. The end.

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  22. decayinbrain,

    Theres your problem. CNN. nuff said.

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  23. There you go again with your immature comments, Voltaire! Why do you do that? Can't think of anything to say? You know, that is typical of the neocons. It's either name calling, insults, or death threats when they don't want to talk about the subject or are losing the debate. Why is that?

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  24. Yeah overreacting.

    I'm sure if Canadians came across our border and seized 2 US military people, we'd probably just kick back and say what the heck, let 'em have 'em.

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  25. Faux News is better? Isn't it interesting that Bush's cousin was working at Fox News during the 2000 election, huh? And it was Fox who announced in the middle of the night (when most Americans were asleep) that Bush had won Florida! Interesting!!!! Now Fox News is the right arm of the White House and is used as their propaganda machine. You know, Hitler controlled the media too. It makes sense to do that when you want your citizens to be uninformed.

    Let me guess: Blond woman murdered somewhere in America today and that is all Fox News is talking about?

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  26. Hey I have a funny story:

    My wife and I just got back from taking my nephews to the beach; they are aged 5 and 7. They had a great time laffing and gigglin and playin in the waves and such.

    When we got out of the water, there was a cute young couple sittin on a towel, facing each other kissin and neckin.

    Well the boys were fascinated and kept staring, which was kinda embarrassing.

    On the way home the oldest boy asked what they were doing and my wife explained that they were just kissing.

    The oldest said that when he sees kissin or just hears people talk about it, his "weiner grows longer"...the younger said "yeah my weiner gets longer too". My wife and I just cracked up.

    Okay sorry for the interruption folks...please return to your regularly scheduled hate-fest.

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  27. decayinbrain,

    In order to actually WIN a debate, one must have the FACTS on one's side.

    When you have sufficiently EDUCATED yourself we can "debate". Right now it is VERY clear you don't have a clue.

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  28. gee cay,

    Have you bought your purple shroud yet? You seem to have already drank the kool-aid.

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  29. What happens to Americans who are taken into custody in Canada? Is George "Wiretap" Bush dropping bombs on Canada? No!!!!!!!!! I don't think George would start an all out assault against Canada if two of our soldiers were captured (never would happen in a million years by the way but I'll play along with your hypothetical), but then again, he is a warmonger so anything is possible. Because now that I think about it, the Bush Doctrine to spread democracy around the planet means to illegally invade a sovereign country and kill it's citizens. Use the immoral war to line the pockets of one's corporate buddies and use one's soldiers to protect American corporate interests while letting the country fall into civil war because one is not paying attention to that "stuff"...because money is being made!

    No wonder Putin doesn't want an "Iraq democracy" for his country, even though our Lunkhead president said he should wait because it is only going to get better!

    So, yup, George would start an all out assault with Canada. He's that immoral.

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  30. I'm drinking the Koolaid? LOL Wow, Koolaid has always been reserved for the Bush supporters in our country. What flavor is George feeding all of you this week? "Ocean Blue" because he's on vacation again? I thought so. Nice try in trying to put YOUR LABEL on me. That is another trait of the neocons.

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  31. Why of course! Any news organization that doesn't automatically hate the Bush administration and Republicans MUST be a propaganda tool.

    Anyone knows all REAL news organizations continuously pound Bush and Republicans.

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  32. "What happens to Americans who are taken into custody in Canada?"

    I'll give you a clue, the Canadians PROBABLY wouldn't disembowel or behead them. Terrorists DO. But nevermind, Bush he's the REAL evil.

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  33. Hey, I have a really funny story to share with you too. It's about a bunch of Pigs who sing and sing and sing! Guess what they sing? You'll love it because it's right up your alley! Here it is:

    "WAR IS PEACE....FREEDOM IS SLAVERY....IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!"

    Isn't that a wonderful story? Let me know if you liked it and please let me know if the Pigs in Washington start walking on their hind legs! Thanks.

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  34. "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!"
    -decayinbrain

    Wow! You must be REAL strong!

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  35. Yeah, Bush is so innocent. The fact that he has secret prisons all over the planet where he is allowing the torture of "terrorists" who were found on the "battlefield" makes him high on the list for this years, "America's Most Wanted Nice Guy" list! Yup! He got it again for the 3rd year in a row. Isn't that great?

    Yeah, yeah, and the one prison that keeps making the list for the "least torturous" is the one in Uzbekistan where the leader of that country (Islam Karimov) likes to boil people alive just for shits and giggles! Of course, the people that Bush's underlings have captured haven't been charged with anything and Bush refuses to tell the American people what they've been charged with because he doesn't even know. It's just fun to fill up prisons and torture people! Yeah, yeah, yeah....

    What do you think? Think Bush will get the same award next year?

    What does the word torture mean? No one knows and Alberto Gonzales refused in the beginning to define it for Bush and his military, so as of right now......ANYTHING GOES! Wow, what a nice bunch of people we have running the show, huh?

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  36. Kay said "There you go again with your immature comments, Voltaire! Why do you do that? Can't think of anything to say? You know, that is typical of the neocons. It's either name calling, insults, or death threats when they don't want to talk about the subject or are losing the debate. Why is that?"

    Wow Kay, it didnt take you long to figure these guys out, actually though Kay, except for his genocidal views and his job Volt is the best of the bunch, all the others do is call names, lie and slander and try to falsely and dishonestly create our positions for us so they have aqn easier time refuting them, at least volt debates and has intelligent arguments.

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  37. Well gee cay,

    I see you're still WAY behind on current events. You don't actually win many debates that way.

    Tell ya what. Why don't you go read a newspaper or even watch CNN, or maybe read a internet news site, (of your choice of course) And THEN come back.

    OK?

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  38. Hey Voltaire, that is your motto not mine!

    Show me where I've been ignorant. Thanks.

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  39. Mikey,

    And you guys are usually up on current events and understand what is actually going on. Your opinions of it are always wrong, but at least you're current and up to date, and actually understand the timeline of events.

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  40. Uh, excuse me Voltaire, but I was the FIRST out of you and I to state my case on this thread. You were the one who STOPPED THE DEBATE by calling names.

    Now, you go read a newspaper, an Internet site, or rub your genitals against the t.v. while watching Fox News to get your news, okay?

    Because I am a liberal, I am well informed.

    And Mike! Thanks for letting me know I was on the right track. :-)

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  41. cay,

    The list would be much longer than one of clifs posts and would probably put the entire board to sleep.

    Couple of things I might point out though:

    Your "understanding" of the timeline and the players in the Israeli/Lebanon event are way off.

    Secondly, the overseas prisons got closed down quite a while ago due to the disclosure by the paper of treason the NYT.

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  42. So Voltaire, in your world the Lebanese capture of the Isreali soldiers came before the Palestinians captured the Isreali soldiers, is that what you're saying? Huh? Wow! You got it wrong pal!!!!!!!

    But then again, Fox News probably didn't tune into this conflict until AFTER THE LEBANESE CAPTURED THE ISRAELI SOLDIERS.

    Now, who would have told them to not report on the Palestinians capturing the Isrealis? Hmmmmm...now who would do that? Who would have complete control over that "news" channel? Hmmmmmm....would it be someone who wants to use Fox as a propaganda tool and wouldn't want their listeners to know the truth and would want to make it look like the Lebanese are the aggressors here? Hmmmmmm....who would that be who would fake out the masses like that?

    I think you know the answer.

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  43. KayinMaine is against "name calling, then refers to Fox News as Faux News. So much for practicing what we preach.

    Lydia, get a new guest blogger, this one is a reactionary (and none too bright either).

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  44. Yeah Kay we've had some interesting discussions here, you oughta spend more time here, just be aware theres quite a few slimy trolls in here.

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  45. Ok, Mike, here's your chance to set the record straight:

    Do you think I am a Nazi?

    Please name the individuals who you think are Nazis.

    Is Bush a Nazi?

    Is Karl Rove a Nazi?

    When you write "KKKarl Rove" are you implying that he is a member of the Klan?

    When you refer to the Republican Party as the "Reich Wing," you are implying that all Republicans are Nazis, no?

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  46. "So Voltaire, in your world the Lebanese capture of the Isreali soldiers came before the Palestinians captured the Isreali soldiers..."
    -decayinbrain

    No. Once you've mastered reading, you may find that the HEZBOLLAH kidnapping of Israeli soldiers came BEFORE Israel invaded Lebanon.
    (which in one of your previous posts you claimed they were kidnapped AFTER Israel invaded Lebanon.)

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  47. Troll Tex, I wrote a response earlier today but for some reason it got deleted, i'm cooking dinner now, but i'll write you a response before I go out for the evening.

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  48. Would someone please explain to me why the NY Times' journalists were used by the White House during the drum up to war to report where the wmd were in Iraq? Huh? Why would the White House use such a treasonous paper to do that? Why would Judy Miller get all giddy everytime her phone would ring when someone from the WH was calling? Interesting...

    ....and why did the WH just recently allow ONLY the NY Times' journalists into a secret meeting (sorry, I can't remember what it was about but it happened recently within the last few weeks!) during the same time that the WH was calling for a lawsuit against the paper for being "treasonous" for reporting on their financial records surveillance program which was something that Bush himself had talked about for years? Why would he let them into the room if he can't trust them?

    Oh yeah, he wants the neocons to continue to hate the NY Times. I forgot.

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  49. And the Lebanese DIDN'T kidnap them. HEZBOLLAH did.

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  50. they wont answer that question Kay they never do, just like when I ask them how come Bush and John Snow werent charged with treason like they want to charge the NY Times since they revealed to the terrorists years before the recent times article came out that we are spying on the terrorists.

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  51. No. Once you've mastered reading, you may find that the HEZBOLLAH kidnapping of Israeli soldiers came BEFORE Israel invaded Lebanon.
    (which in one of your previous posts you claimed they were kidnapped AFTER Israel invaded Lebanon.)

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    Why were the Israelis even near the border? Huh? IT WAS FIRST REPORTED THAT ISREAL HAD GONE OVER THE BORDER INTO LEBANON, and according to George "Wiretap" Bush, any country that is invaded has a right to defend itself! When the Isrealis came over the border a firefight ensued and some of the Isreali soldiers were killed and two were captured.

    That first report was squashed here in the US because it was the truth and America has to always protect Israel even if it is the aggressor!

    The Palestinians being killed on the beach and the capturing of Isreali soldiers by the Palestinians HAPPENED BEFORE THE ASSAULT WITH LEBANON.

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  52. "I think you know the answer"
    -decayinbrain

    I DO know the answer. But it's painfully OBVIOUS you don't.

    FOX news DID report the kidnapping of AN Israeli soldier. Israel THEN invaded gaza after a MUCH earlier pullout and dismantling of settlements. And they were firing rockets into Israel ever since the pullout.

    PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELF!

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  53. The adage, "I'm a liberal, so I AM informed" is a joke with you.

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  54. Mike said...
    they wont answer that question Kay they never do, just like when I ask them how come Bush and John Snow werent charged with treason like they want to charge the NY Times since they revealed to the terrorists years before the recent times article came out that we are spying on the terrorists.

    ******************************

    Mike, they never answer questions! The reason why they are called Internet Trolls is because they like to come to the liberal blogs and interupt the debate with stupid statements and name calling (and of course the occassional threat of one's life!). At this point, it's all they have. After years of trying to come up with daily excuses as to why their Dear Leader does what he does and to cover for all his lies, they're exhausted. Now, they just name call and drag Bill Clinton into the debate. It's all they have....it's all they have!

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  55. YES! The events with the PALESTINIANS happened before the invasion of Lebanon.

    NO! The soldiers were captured by HEZBOLLAH were before the invasion of Lebanon. Now I haven't been watching today and MAYBE they captured 2 more, I don't know. But THEY (hezbollah) crossed the border into Israel and captured 2 soldiers in what started the invasion of Lebanon.

    WHEW! Please find a timeline to make up your hatred by...

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  56. Wow Kay you really oughta spend more time here you sound just like our regulars (meaning the good guys)

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  57. BTW, how did you find this blog?

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  58. Geez, it's like beating your head against a brick wall. And at least I could probably make a dent in that.

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  59. What happens to Americans who are taken into custody in Canada? Is George "Wiretap" Bush dropping bombs on Canada?
    -KayInMaine

    Dun't be reediculus. But I've allus wanted to bomb Fwance. Heh..heh...heh.

    /substitute Eddie Murphy laff

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  60. "Wow Kay you really oughta spend more time here you sound just like our regulars (meaning the good guys)"
    -Mikey

    That ISN'T a complement to the regulars Mike. I may disagree with worf and clif, but at least they operate in a real world timeline, and are current on events.

    This woman is MUCH MORE confused and confusing than worf and clif could ever be at their worst day.

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  61. Here is one of many timelines on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. In July of 2006 section, you will notice the last sentence that talks about a two-week conflict between Israel & the Palestinians. Now, before that conflict happened, Palestinians were murdered on the beach. Israel was blamed for those deaths. The Palestinians captured one of the Israeli soldiers and that is when Israel went on a rampage! Now, THERE IS DISAGREEMENT ON WHETHER IT WAS ISRAEL WHO CROSSED INTO LEBANON AS THEY WERE ON THEIR RAMPAGE TO START THE LATEST CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES OR IF IT WAS THE ISRAELIS BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE LEBANESE BORDER THAT CAUSED THE
    Hezbollah to fire at the Israelis! Nonetheless, it is Israel who has overreacted when one of their soldiers was captured (TAKING OUT THE PALESTINIAN INFRASTRUCTURE WAS FAIR? No!):


    December 1968: Israeli commandos attack Beirut International Airport on December 28, 1968, damaging or destroying more than a dozen airplanes in retaliation for an attack on an Israeli civilian airplane at the airport in Athens, Greece. Two Palestinians were charged in the Athens attack that left an Israeli passenger dead.

    November 1969: Lebanese army commander in chief Emile Bustani and Arafat sign an agreement in Cairo that recognizes the "Palestinian revolution" and allows Palestinians in Lebanon "to join in the armed struggle without undermining Lebanon's sovereignty and welfare." This agreement will stay in effect for nearly 20 years, until Lebanon rescinds it in May 1987.

    1970-1971: Faced with fighting in Jordan that left thousands dead, the PLO moves its base to Lebanon, where it carries out raids on Israel. A Palestinian terrorist group linked to the PLO is formed. Its name is "Black September" -- a reference to the Jordanian crackdown on Palestinians in September 1970.

    1972: Black September attacks the Israeli Olympic team during the games in Munich, Germany. After a struggle that left a coach and an athlete dead, the terrorists take nine Israeli athletes hostage, demanding the release of Palestinian prisoners in return for the hostages' release. Israel refuses, and a shootout between the attackers and West German authorities leaves all nine hostages, four terrorists and a policeman dead.

    April 1973: Israeli elite commandos -- dressed as women and led by future Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak -- kill three PLO leaders in Beirut.

    1975: Civil war breaks out in Lebanon, pitting Palestinians and pro-Palestinian Lebanese militias against Lebanon's Christian militias. The war would last nearly 15 years, officially ending in 1990.

    1976: Syria sends military peacekeepers during the early months of the civil war to help end it. The troops would remain there nearly 30 years, until April 2005.

    March 1978: A PLO attack on a bus in northern Israel prompts Israeli military forces to move into Lebanon to push the PLO back from the border. Israel withdraws after the U.N. Security Council passes a resolution for the immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces. Under the leadership of Lebanese army Maj. Saad Haddad, an Israeli ally, a 12-mile wide "security zone" is established to protect Israeli territory from cross-border attacks.

    September 1978: The Camp David Accords, brokered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter, lead to a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt. The accords lay the groundwork for a similar treaty between Israel and Lebanon, as well as its other Arab neighbors.

    July 17, 1981: Israeli forces bomb PLO headquarters in West Beirut, killing more than 300 civilians. The attack leads to a U.S.-brokered cease-fire between Israel, the PLO and Syria, whose troops were in Lebanon.

    1982: The cease-fire lasts until June 6, 1982, when Israel invades Lebanon with about 60,000 troops in a push to destroy the PLO, after an assassination attempt on Israel's ambassador to Britain. Arafat and the PLO flee Lebanon in August and settle in Tunis, Tunisia, where they remain until moving to Gaza in 1994.

    The Israel-backed Lebanese president-elect, Bashir Gemayel, is assassinated September 14, shortly before his inauguration. Israeli troops enter West Beirut a day later, and the following day, nearly 800 Palestinian refugees are massacred at the hands of Lebanese Christian militias in the Sabra and Shatila camps. Israel is accused of doing nothing to prevent or stop the massacre.

    Hezbollah, a fundamentalist Shiite Muslim militant group, emerges as a force in Beirut, the Bekaa Valley and southern Lebanon. Sponsored by Iran, modeled after Iran's Revolutionary Guards and supported by Syria, Hezbollah aims to establish a Shiite Islamic state in Lebanon and force Western interests like Israel and the United States out of the region.

    April 18, 1983: A suicide attack by Hezbollah on the U.S. Embassy in West Beirut kills 63 people, a harbinger of future attacks against U.S. and Western interests.

    May 17, 1983: Lebanon and Israel sign a U.S.-brokered peace agreement, spelling out terms of Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon, conditional on the withdrawal of Syrian forces. Syria opposes the agreement.

    October 23, 1983: A Hezbollah suicide bomber blows up the headquarters of U.S. Marine and French forces in Beirut, killing 298 people -- 241 of them U.S. Marines and other military personnel. U.S. troops are withdrawn from Lebanon a few months later.

    January 18, 1984: American University of Beirut President Malcolm Kerr is assassinated.

    March 1984: With pressure mounting from Syria, Lebanon cancels the May 17, 1983, peace agreement.

    September 20, 1984: The U.S. Embassy annex in East Beirut is bombed, and 23 people are killed.

    June 1985: Israel withdraws from most of Lebanon but keeps control of the 12-mile-wide security zone in the south. Israel remains there until May 2000.

    1990: Lebanon's 15-year civil war officially ends.

    July 1993: Israel attacks southern Lebanon in a weeklong operation aimed at ending Hezbollah attacks on Israeli towns.

    April 1996: Israel and Hezbollah militants engage in a 16-day battle, in which at least 137 people, mostly Lebanese civilians, are killed.

    May 2000: Israeli troops withdraw from southern Lebanon, and the United Nations establishes the "Blue Line" as a border between the two countries.

    September 2003: Israeli warplanes hit southern Lebanon in response to Hezbollah's firing antiaircraft missiles at Israeli planes in the area.

    October 2003: Israel and Lebanon exchange gunfire in the disputed area known as Shebaa Farms.

    February 14, 2005: Former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri is assassinated. Pressure builds on Syria to withdraw its remaining troops from Lebanon, which it does in April.

    July 2006: Hezbollah militants cross into Israel, kill three Israeli soldiers and kidnap two others in a bid to negotiate a prisoner exchange, a demand rebuffed by Israel. Another five Israeli soldiers are killed after the ambush. Israel responds with a naval blockade and by bombing hundreds of targets in Lebanon, including Beirut's airport and Hezbollah's headquarters in southern Beirut. Hezbollah responds with rocket attacks targeting northern Israeli cities. Fighting leaves dozens of Lebanese civilians dead and coincides with a two-week-old Israeli military campaign in Gaza in response to the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier by Palestinian militants.

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  62. Actually Mike, a friend of Lydia's (John) directed me here. She actually used one of my responses in one of her posts and I was thrilled.

    Voltaire and the rest of them are reacting like all neocons react to me. I'm used to it and like my blog says....I'm not going to shut up about how much I despise Bush, his family and his friends!

    So, just let them say what they want. They keep proving to me that they don't care about our country because they support a Cartel that is hell bent on destroying our nation and it's good name.

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  63. decayinbrain, from YOUR OWN post.

    "THERE IS DISAGREEMENT ON WHETHER IT WAS ISRAEL WHO CROSSED INTO LEBANON AS THEY WERE ON THEIR RAMPAGE TO START THE LATEST CONFLICT BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES OR IF IT WAS THE ISRAELIS BEING TOO CLOSE TO THE LEBANESE BORDER THAT CAUSED THE
    Hezbollah to fire at the Israelis!


    AND:

    July 2006: Hezbollah militants cross into Israel, kill three Israeli soldiers and kidnap two others in a bid to negotiate a prisoner exchange, a demand rebuffed by Israel. Another five Israeli soldiers are killed after the ambush. Israel responds with a naval blockade and by bombing hundreds of targets in Lebanon, including Beirut's airport and Hezbollah's headquarters in southern Beirut.

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  64. I reiterate: Once you've mastered reading....

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  65. she saw through your troll tactics of not answering our questions, changing the subject and resorting to name calling and personal insults.

    Volt your the ONLY one who even attempts to answer the tough questions and engage in debate and for the most part you are the only one who gives somewhat honest answers that sound intelligent although deluded and misguided.

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  66. remeber the old RIF commercials?

    Reading IS fundamental....

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  67. "Voltaire and the rest of them are reacting like all neocons react to me..."

    No, we're reacting like all INTELLIGENT people probably react to you.

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  68. So, a militant group crosses the border into your country, KILLS 8 of your soldiers and kidnaps 2.

    And it was ISRAEL that was looking for a fight?

    Get real sister.

    (oh, and by the way, READ the rest of that timeline all the way through. Its a very good description of exactly WHO the bad guys are.)

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  69. Voltaire, JUST BECAUSE AMERICAN JOURNALISTS AND REPORTERS ARE REPORTING THAT ISRAEL DIDN'T CROSS OVER THE BORDER INTO LEBANON doesn't mean that it is true!

    The first report said they did and then it got squashed. It's no different than when Ronald Reagan had an assassination attempt on his life by John Hinckley, Jr.! The next day it was reported by the Associated Press that Scott Hinckley, who is the brother to John, had a dinner date with Neil Bush that night. The Hinckley family and the Bush family were connected by the oil industry! This story was squashed fast. Hmmmmm...interesting how that works. This story could explain why the Bushes and the Reagans never really liked each other after Ronnie was shot at!

    Anyways, I see Israel as the aggressor and overreactor to the Palestinians and it would not surprise me in the least if the US media was told to squash the original report to make Israel look like the victim to protect them!

    Hey, it's my take on it and I'm sticking to it! If you don't agree, then you don't agree.

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  70. And for the rest of you conspiracy theorists out there,

    Did it ever occur to you the IRAN MAY have instigated this to take our minds off their nuclear weapons program?

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  71. "KayInMaine said...
    This story could explain why the Bushes and the Reagans never really liked each other after Ronnie was shot at!"

    They had an excellent relationship. Do some research.

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  72. "Hey, it's my take on it and I'm sticking to it [regardless of the facts]! If you don't agree, then
    you don't agree."
    -decayinbrain

    nuff said...

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  73. Gee, it would be so nice if we had our SPIES in Iran still to see what Iran is doing with their nuclear program, but unfortunately the president and vice president and their Brownshirts decided one day to out a CIA operative's identity out of retaliation, who was one of 150 spies working for the CIA front company named Brewster Jennings to spy on the Iranian's nuclear program, so to this day we will never know! So, it makes sense to the Fuehrer's men to get Israel to go on a rampage to PROVOKE AN ATTACK FROM IRAN AND/OR SYRIA so the Bush Cartel can do what their plan was all along: attack Iran (from Iraq of course which is now the Central Front for the PNAC's 'wahronterra'!) and get in there to get their oil to control the world's markets some more!

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  74. Uh, sorry Tex, I hate to disappoint you but by the end of the Reagan years Bush and Ronnie weren't hardly on speaking terms. Babs and Nancy wouldn't even look at each other.

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  75. "They had an excellent relationship. Do some research."
    -TT

    Uh, TT?
    You MAY have to explain the concept of "research" to her...


    "Hey, it's my take on it and I'm sticking to it! If you don't agree, then you don't agree."
    -decayinbrain

    Yeah, an I think the moon is made of green cheese and I'm sticking to it! If you don't agree, then you don't agree...

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  76. "KayInMaine said...
    Gee, it would be so nice if we had our SPIES in Iran still to see what Iran is doing with their nuclear program"

    Don't be too sure that we don't have assets in there.

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  77. Gee, it would be so nice if we had an ally in Iran still. But unfortunately a president decided one day to let the shah fall...

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  78. Voltaire said...
    "Hey, it's my take on it and I'm sticking to it [regardless of the facts]! If you don't agree, then
    you don't agree."
    -decayinbrain

    nuff said...

    *****************************

    At least I'm big enough to admit that I'm not going to change your mind, but you think you're going to change mind. Not going to happen pal. So, let's just agree to disagree.

    You love Israel and feel that they are always the victim and never do anything wrong. That's your take on it which is fine with me. I disagree and I feel Israel is acting like Bush and Hitler....creating circumstances that makes them look like the "victim" and using it as their tool to get what they want!

    Again, that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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  79. And cay? If you think we invaded Iraq just to attack Iran, why didn't we just leave Saddam there? He was doing a fine job attacking Iran all on his own self...

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  80. Reagan gave VP Geo. HW Bush the largest portfolio of any president up until that point. If their wives were at odds with each other, that's a different matter. I'm sure Nancy hated everyone in her husband's circle of friends at one point or another. But George and Ron got along famously.

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  81. "Voltaire said...
    Gee, it would be so nice if we had an ally in Iran still. But unfortunately a president decided one day to let the shah fall...

    6:37 PM"

    And he was a Democrat.

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  82. kay said "At least I'm big enough to admit that I'm not going to change your mind,"

    It takes a bigger person to admit when they are wrong and change their mind.

    Lydia, where did you find this wacko? All passion and no brains.

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  83. Really cay, I don't mind honest opinions based on one's assesment of the availible facts. (even if I disagree with that assesment) But to have an opinion regardless of the facts is pretty irresponsible considering you're trying to promote a political cause and influence public opinion.

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  84. Voltaire, ever heard of the Project of the New American Century of the 1990's which was a right wing think tank outside the Clinton Admin who was schemeing to get back into Iraq. They pressured Clinton for years to start a full blown war with Iraq but Clinton refused (he talked about taking Saddam out using our CIA covert ops instead of killing innocent civilians). Anyways, these guys talked about needing a Pearl Harbor-like attack on our country to use as a catalyst to convince Americans to go to war with Iraq. 9/11 was it. Iraq was the first country that Bush said on 9/11 and it was Colin Powell at some point that turned the tide around to get the Admin to go after Afghanistan and get Osama. Bush was talking about attacking Iraq in 1999 when he was campaigning for the presidency for God's sake! He even said in the first few months of office that "Saddam tried to kill my father" and he had many journalists scratching their heads because of his obsession with Saddam!

    The PNAC stated in the 1990's that once Iraq was taken, they would use it as the Central Front and home base to work out of. Their reasoning was they wanted to disrupt the whole Middle East (get it into a chaotic state) so they could dominate the region. And guess what? There are quite a few PNACers in Bush's administration (Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld are two of them!) and it appears their plan is going quite well.

    No wonder Bush is sending loads of arms to Israel right now. This is what they want.

    Evil.

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  85. kay said: "Their reasoning was they wanted to disrupt the whole Middle East (get it into a chaotic state)"

    When was the Middle East NOT in a chaotic state?

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  86. Wasn't Bill Kristol part of that too?
    Wonder why HE didn't get a cushy government job?

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  87. LoL, look at Kayinmaine.

    Handling 2 trolls with one hand tied behind her back.

    Give'em hell Kay.

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  88. Actually she's giving you guys heaven.

    You just think its hell. ;D

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  89. THANK GOD.

    Hello worf, never thought I'd actually be glad to see you.

    You're always wrong too, but at least you have a working mind...

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  90. Make that 3 trolls.

    Kay would be more aptly named, "SuperGirl".

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  91. Awww...wazza matter Volt?

    Kay beating up on you too much?

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  92. Hey FF, I finally figured out that "blogger hell" comment. In "blogger hell" you spend eternity arguing with a moron...

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  93. Its ok Kay. Don't worry. You didn't hurt him too bad.

    He's just not used to so many facts crammed into every post.

    His wittle republican brain can't assimilate all that.

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  94. Worf, I disagree with your assessment of facts, but at least you refer to them every once in awhile. This woman makes up her own reality as she goes...

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  95. Don't worry Dolt.

    She'll soon realize she's casting her pearls before the swine, and grow bored with you.

    Then, either she'll leave you alone alltogether or do like I do, and lower her posts down to your intellectual level.

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  96. Worf,

    How can you honestly say that?

    This woman has absolutely NO concept of the timeline of events or who the players are...

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  97. Voltaire said...
    In "blogger hell" you spend eternity arguing with a moron...


    Actually wouldn't that leave you alone for eternity?

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  98. Kay said;

    No wonder Bush is sending loads of arms to Israel right now. This is what they want.

    Evil.


    No.

    I'd say she has a pretty good handle on whats going on.

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  99. Actually worf, what I can't handle is all the made up shit used in place of real facts....

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  100. Kay said;

    unfortunately the president and vice president and their Brownshirts decided one day to out a CIA operative's identity out of retaliation, who was one of 150 spies working for the CIA front company named Brewster Jennings to spy on the Iranian's nuclear program, so to this day we will never know!

    Nope.

    Thats solid stuff Volt.

    Course I haven't read through it all yet.

    Maybe I'll find something she said that I disagree with.

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  101. Nevermind. She seems to have brought out the moron in you tonight as well.

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  102. Kay said;

    Let me guess: Blond woman murdered somewhere in America today and that is all Fox News is talking about?


    Nope.

    She's gotcha there.

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  103. Well hold on. Gimme time. I just got here.

    I'm reading I'm reading.

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  104. Perhaps it would help if you pointed to some of these glaring untruths, so I can agree with you.

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  105. "Apparent CIA front didn't offer much cover

    By Ross Kerber and Bryan Bender, Globe Staff and Globe Correspondent, 10/10/2003

    At first glance, 101 Arch St. seems like the perfect setting for a spy story: an elegant office building downtown with an upscale restaurant, lots of foot traffic, and a subway entrance to stage a getaway.

    "It's a great place to blend in," said Rob Griffin, regional president of Cushman & Wakefield Inc., the real estate firm.

    The CIA may have thought so too. Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative once listed as her employer Brewster Jennings & Associates. A company by that name has a listed address but no visible presence at the 21-story office tower.

    Plame's exposure as an intelligence operative has become a major controversy in Washington. Former intelligence officials confirmed Plame's cover was an invention and that she used other false identities and affiliations when working overseas. "All it was was a telephone and a post office box," said one former intelligence official who asked not to be identified. "When she was abroad she had a more viable cover."

    That's a good thing, considering how little work seems to have gone in to establishing the company's presence in Boston, intelligence observers said. While the renovated building houses legal and investment firms, current and former building managers said they've never heard of Brewster Jennings. Nor did the firm file the state and local records expected of most businesses.

    Both factors would have aroused the suspicions of anyone who tried to check up on Brewster Jennings, said David Armstrong, an Andover researcher for the Public Education Center, a liberal Washington think tank.

    At the least, a dummy company ought to create the appearance of activity, with an office and a valid mailing address, he said. "A cover that falls apart on first inspection isn't very good. What you want is a cover that actually holds up . . . and this one certainly doesn't."

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  106. Kay said;

    The reason why they are called Internet Trolls is because they like to come to the liberal blogs and interupt the debate with stupid statements and name calling

    Gee.... this is not looking good for you buddy.

    Maybe you could make up something to try fool me into thinking she was wrong about stuff.

    That might help.

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  107. Just wait until you get to her reasoning for the current Israel-Lebanon-Palestinian conflict, and her description of the events leading up to it.

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  108. Even the timeline she posts doesn't agree with her assessment of it...LOL

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  109. Anonymous7:47 PM

    Wufuss/dufuss you goof you had better watch your mouth

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  110. Hey FF, I finally figured out that "blogger hell" comment. In "blogger hell" you spend eternity arguing with a moron...
    -Voltaire

    Ow. LOL. Yes KayInMaine will make a fine addition to the blog. She has more hatred than Worf, has less sense of humor than Clif and has an intellectual capability lower than Mike. Plus she's a pure leftist; a true-believing liberal like Ms. Cornell.

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  111. As for your article these two have no clue what the nature of her role was, nor has the CIA revealed the details in any way, nor did they indicate the role, if any the Boston address played in anything Valerie did other than it was a listed address for her front company, a fact the authors themselves acknowledge.

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  112. FF, I prefer the moniker "decayinbrain"...LOL

    All you libs, I DIDN'T say "monica"...

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  113. The Boston company "is not an indicator of what she did overseas,"

    Vince Cannistraro,
    Former CIA Counterterrorism Chief

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  114. Kay said;

    The reason why they are called Internet Trolls is because they like to come to the liberal blogs and interupt the debate with stupid statements and name calling (and of course the occassional threat of one's life!).

    Anonymouse said...

    Wufuss/dufuss you goof you had better watch your mouth

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  115. Volt,

    According to KayInMaine, "trolls" include only Conservatives (anyone who disagrees with her). I have revised her assessment to be a little more accurate:

    The reason why they are called Internet Trolls is because they like to come to the liberal blogs and interupt the ... stupid statements and name calling [with the truth]

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  116. Nope.

    I'd say Kay's got your numbers down tight.

    Course, if one of you poor mistreated trolls would care to enlighten me as to the source of your pleas for understanding, I would be happy to listen.

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  117. LOL, You got that right FF...

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  118. Nevermind worf.

    You MAY be "book smart" but there's very little wisdom or intellect behind your posts.

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  119. FF, I prefer the moniker "decayinbrain"...LOL
    -Voltaire

    Cool. Yes it seems to fit.

    Sorry to run off earlier but I am having a "camp out" in the back yard tonite with my nephews. We set up the tent had some hot dawgs and now we're gonna make some s'mores.

    Wow that is one angry harpie. I'm so surprised she is single. Where will her anger be directed when Dubya leaves office in a couple years? Pity her kid.

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  120. You mean truths like this Freedom Fan???


    "no one cares about who served and who did'nt"

    Rusty Shackleturd

    Is that the kind of "truths" you trolls come in to interrupt the blogs with?

    Is that what you mean?

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  121. I always thought we had argued about actual facts and our assessment of them.

    You seem perfectly willing to back someone who has no clue, as long as it suits your agenda.

    Obviously, to you she's a "useful idiot"...

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  122. It's OK FF, I gotta run too. Got some work to do. I may be on later tonight, but I'm not sure....Have fun with your nephews.

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  123. who served and who did'nt? It really does'nt mean anything.

    Rusty Shackelturd

    Is THIS what you mean by "wisdom" Voltaire?

    Is THIS what passes for patriotism with a republican?

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  124. Anonymous8:02 PM

    wufuss/dufuss back from the fantasy dojo

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  125. Interupt "debate" on liberal blogs...LOL

    What is it you guys "debate" when your all alone? To what degree Bush is evil and/or stupid?

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  126. And obviously Dolt, it bothers you she's here, which is why you'd like to drive a wedge between us from the start.

    Divide and conquer ay buddy?

    Divide and conquer.

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  127. And if her precense here displeases you in the least, then I welcome it.

    Hell I will give her a medal.

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  128. No worf, I don't agree with that statement at all.
    I DOES matter. But it ALSO matters what they say or do after as well.

    And I DON'T mean backing conservatives or liberals. I mean wether they actually care enough to give their country and fellow servicemen the benefit of any doubt and allow them to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

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  129. Interupt "debate" on liberal blogs...LOL

    What is it you guys "debate" when your all alone? To what degree Bush is evil and/or stupid?

    -Volt

    ROFLMFAO! You nailed it dude. I think they long ago passed the point of debating whether Dubya is more evil than hitler and whether their American countrymen more wicked than nazis.

    Insane lib anger and hatred knows no bounds.

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  130. Nobody's blaming the "servicemen" in here except you righty-whiteys.

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  131. Fabrication Fan said;

    Insane lib anger and hatred knows no bounds.

    Yes it does. It stops at murder.

    Repug anger on the other hand....

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  132. WORFEUS said...
    LoL, look at Kayinmaine.

    Handling 2 trolls with one hand tied behind her back.

    Give'em hell Kay.


    ************************

    Actually Worfeus, I handled them with one "right wing" behind my back! LOL

    I think I'll spend some more time on this blog in the future because I had a great time. :-)

    Oh, and Voltaire? My timeline is correct concerning the Israeli aggression right now. You're the one who can't grasp your mind around the fact that ISRAEL may have been the one to ILLEGALLY invade Lebanon which dragged Lebanon into the mess between Isreal & Palestine (in which Hezbollah in Lebanon attack the Israelis to protect themselves from the Israelis!!!!). You are the type who never views Israel as being wrong or as being the one to fake out the masses to make itself look like the 'victim' to gain US and world sympathy and to do whatever it wants! Until you can look at Israel OR ANYTHING with an objective mind, you will continue to go down the path of destruction.

    Oh, and one more thing? I've never gone to the right wing blogs to disrupt the conversation. An interesting point? Most right wing blogs won't accept liberals to their blogs/websites because they screen whoever is registering. In some cases, it can take a week to get approval from them to post comments. Freedom of speech? Nope! Not on the right wing blogs!

    You should feel lucky that almost all liberal blogs let you guys spew your crap. (Most will delete threats however because that is drawing the line)

    Goodnight Mike & Worfeus! I had fun and will be back to talk some more.

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  133. Kay I am going to guess you are Jewish.

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  134. If so then I hope you let these guys know that.

    Your opinion on the current Israeli conflict carries weight if true.

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  135. Wow that is one angry harpie. I'm so surprised she is single. Where will her anger be directed when Dubya leaves office in a couple years? Pity her kid.
    ******************

    One more thing! Leave my child out of ANY conversation. Get it?

    Now stop being a couple of assholes! Since you're insinuating that I'll beat my kid after Bush leaves, I could easily say that the reason you are camping outside with your nephews in a tent tonight is because YOU'RE GOING TO RAPE THEM! How does that make you feel? Hurt? It should if it isn't true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Goodnight.

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  136. DEPLORING BUSH By William F. Buckley Jr.
    Fri Jun 23, 8:08 PM ET


    If your assignment was to write an essay on the stupidity of President Bush, you could start in with some confidence. The reason for this is that George W. Bush hasn't any flair for the spoken word, so that you can take specimens of this weakness and deduce, for your composition on G.W. Bush, that he is stupid.

    This is a game of sorts, but the temptations affect the thinking of those naturally attracted to condescension, an exercise which has the gratifying consequence of leaving you exalted. Slate magazine, the spicy child of Michael Kinsley, and nowadays the property of The Washington Post, is celebrating its 10th anniversary, to which end it advertises an anthology, "The Best of Slate." One of the essays in it is a mordant derogation of George W. Bush.

    This isn't accomplished by discussing five public issues on which the critic differs from Bush, effecting demonization. Such public questions are given here and there, but only as background matter, and the passing point is made that he is worse than his father. ("While some describe the second Bush presidency as a restoration, it is in at least equal measure a repudiation. The son's harder-edged conservatism explicitly rejects the old man's approach to such issues as abortion, taxes and relations with Israel.")

    But the author of this 10th anniversary celebration of Bushwhacking coolly rises from all such political passions, preferring just to leave it that Bush is -- the temptation is to write, "sort of dumb," but Jacob Weisberg doesn't say that. He prefers just plain dumb.

    On the matter of the president's uttering sentences that are garbled, Weisberg can't be argued with. But a difficulty with language can be attributed to many public figures, paradoxically, even to such as have proven skills. The young Dwight David Eisenhower, for instance, actually wrote military manuals when he served under Gen. Douglas MacArthur, who was a fussy overseer and a guardian of holy prose. And of course we know that en route to the White House, Ike served as president of Columbia University.

    But it remains true that some of Ike's improvised spoken language was as impenetrable as the Rosetta stone. After his answer to the question, What would he do if the Soviet Union again laid siege on Berlin? someone made a wisecrack to the effect that resourceful Soviet cryptographers would have given Khrushchev absolutely contradictory accounts of what President Eisenhower threatened.

    It was for many years insisted upon by detractors that Ronald Reagan was basically illiterate. That myth is receding, however reluctantly. For one thing, it runs up against the extraordinary letters by President Reagan to divers people on all subjects. Yet it is correct that if the assignment is to put together from Reagan press conferences structureless sentences with conflicting emphases, the job can be done.

    Weisberg reproduces a few sentences from Bush that establish the claim of verbal clumsiness. But Weisberg won't settle for that. His thesis is that Bush is incompetent to think and speak, and that he elected to settle with that incompetence because of laziness, since thinking consumes intellectual calories.

    Now there is a problem here, and Weisberg ignores it. It is that Bush has confronted in public contests nimble opponents. You would not do combat with the waspish Ann Richards, former governor of Texas, if you could help it. Ms. Richards is one of the sharpest tongues in town (it was she who said that the senior Bush was born with a silver foot in his mouth). Bush not only survived the encounter, he defeated the wasp.

    George Bush met in public debate Al Gore, an experienced debater, and walked away with immunity, as he would do four years later in his encounters with John Kerry. Weisberg doesn't take on the question of Bush being accepted at Yale, and achieving enough credits to graduate. It requires skills not generally associated with idiocy to maneuver so as to win the nomination of a national political party, and then an election, not once but twice.

    Mr. Weisberg's premise -- that to do this does not require intelligence, thoughtful planning and marginal lucidity -- has one wondering, but not about deficiencies in Bush. There manifestly aren't such in Weisberg in the matter of articulateness, so you find yourself playing with the derivations of it all: (1) You can't be stupid and become president; (2) You can be articulate and be stupid.

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  137. Kay in Maine accurately said;

    Most right wing blogs won't accept liberals to their blogs/websites because they screen whoever is registering. In some cases, it can take a week to get approval from them to post comments. Freedom of speech? Nope! Not on the right wing blogs!


    I wanted to post in Ann Coulters blog, but only "registered" members allowed.

    Meanwhile Liberals keep open blogs.

    Republican don't seem to brave.

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  138. Anonymous8:31 PM

    kay do'nt give your kid a hard time witch

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  139. Worfeus, I'm Italian/Indian/Swedish. I do not hold myself to any religious affiliation. I guess I could be Pagan because I take my natural surroundings as my guide but I don't call myself Pagan. I did, however, start my life out going to church and it was my experiences there that my very liberal parents said to my sister and I, "You know...we're not going to church anymore. We would much rather you girls form your own thoughts and ideas on what makes our world tick", and from that moment on, I did. :-)

    I'm not an expert on the Israeli conflicts but I am a well-connected person on the Internet and I am a part of many many groups online, one of which has some Jews on it. I've learned so much from them, but again, I look at life and every situation and approach it with an open mind. In recent months, there hadn't been much in the news about Israel until a bunch of Palestinians were killed on the beach and Israel claimed they were innocent. Well, I don't think Israel was innocent, in fact, all roads lead to the opposite in that one incident. Then, the Palestinians captured an Israeli soldier (it was reported as two originally) and the rest is history. I'm looking at what is happening NOW and not at the longevity of the conflicts over there. I'm a liberal and I don't like war and aggression...especially against innocent people! If the warmongers at the top want to kill each other, so be it. Let them. When Israel bombed the Palestinian infrastructure they put the whole place into peril and it bothers me. Why couldn't Israel just hand over a few Palestinians (who have been held for years I may add! with no legal representation I may add again!) in exchange for their soldier back? That would have been the diplomatic root, but Israel, who says outloud that it wants to live in peace, sure doesn't act like it sometimes! Most Americans are forgetting that the Palestinians were in the region first and most of the Jews there are European Jews, so the Palestinians sees them as the Infidels backed by the US Infidels! It's not good. It would be no different than telling the Iraqis that they are on OUR land now. I just find Israel to not be so innocent sometimes and their latest actions are confirming that for me.

    I'm not a Jew hater either and I don't hate the Arabs. Like Maya Angelou said at Coretta Scott King's funeral as she turned around to look at Bush, who was sitting behind her, "I want to see some peace!". That's all I want too. I don't care who is the aggressor or invader....I just want to see some peace and some REAL diplomacy going on in our world!

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  140. Thats a great article from William F Buckley, but he is wrong.

    Bush didn't "manuver" to become President.

    Bush is President, for the same reason he got everything else.

    His daddy was President.

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  141. Kay said;

    ....I just want to see some peace and some REAL diplomacy going on in our world!


    Amen sister.

    Amen.

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  142. Actually, Worf, he was elected. As was JFK, and FDR, who also came from prominent families.

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  143. And TT? Even if you don't accept that interpretation of his, "victory" you can't sanely argue that for all his "manuvering" he wasn't slick enough to even pull a clean victory, nor convince the majority of Americans that he should be President in 00.

    Buckley overrates his win.

    Bush won on a technicality, not a mandate.

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  144. It is a fact of history that will haunt your people throughout history, that MORE Americans voted for Al Gore, than your dirty little snot nosed tyrant.

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  145. Let me guess..."anonymous" who is talking about my child is really Voltaire or Freedom Fan? Not surprised! You guys are the cowards not me and it shows. But then again, you are the same people who say, "I love the Iraq war, the Afghan war and any other war that Bush is willing to create! I'm all for it! I love it love it love it!", and then when you're asked to join the military to go fight these wars you so love you say, "Uh, actually, I'm needed here at home. Errr, yeah, yeah, yeah, you see, Bush needs me to defend him online. Yeah, yeah, yeah...". Chickenhawk cowards. At least I stand up and say that I am against this war and don't pretend to be a fake patriot like you all are!!!!!!!!!!

    I love my country more than you love Bush. Case closed.

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  146. Worf, the Electoral College is not a technicality. It was devised by our Founding Fathers. About once a century, the system leads to a result that may seem unfair, but that is our system.

    There are mechanisms to change it as well.

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  147. Yup, for the first time in history the voice of the people was squashed because the US Supreme Court decided to not have the votes counted to see who the majority of the country voted for, so instead, decided to put the right winger in! Is that how a democratic republic works? Nope! That's how a dictatorship works!

    After the votes were counted, Gore had @ 500,000 more votes than George "Weiner" Bush did. Gore won it that year and to many Americans George Bush is not an American-citizen elected president which makes the 2004 election null set.

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  148. Anonymous8:45 PM

    kay i feel sorry a kid who has to listen to you rage day and night

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  149. What I can't figure out for the life of me Kay, is why Freedom Fan, who claims to have been in the Army Reserve, is sitting over here safe in the states, when the war he has been heralding from the rooftops is raging on in the middle east?

    I know for a FACT that as inactive reservist they would accept him as long as hes breathing.

    They are calling up all sorts of reservists, and it seems one with his zeal for promoting this war and the glory of combat with your brothers in arms, would be beating down the door of his local induction center to join the ranks of his fellow freedom fighters, and steam straight and sure to the Gulf to go and join the fight.

    Yup.

    That one just boggles the mind.

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  150. TalllTexan said...
    Worf, the Electoral College is not a technicality. It was devised by our Founding Fathers.


    I didn't say it was TT.

    Since your memory is so, er..selective, allow me to point out Florida, and their 27 electoral votes were in dispute.

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  151. Kay, I don't know if Anonymous is also TT or someone, but we do know he's a guy who calls himself Johnny Moo Moo, and also Wufuss Daddy, Clippy and Rusty Shackleford.

    Hes a bottom feeder and better off ignored.

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  152. And the same Supreme Court, the ultimate law of the land that you lauded endlessly, ruled. I guess that institution is only great when its rulings coincide with your political views.

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  153. And btw FF, if any of you really wanted to go serve your country, I could have you on a plane within 2 weeks, assuming you have some other skills besides tauting your own patriotism and other self defined virtues.

    All you have to do is give me the word, and I can have you guys working in Bagdad so fast it will make your head spin.

    Communications, Operations support, Computers, Administration, Construction, etc.

    If you have a talent, I can get you busy serving the troops and at the same time, putting some money where your mouth is.

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  155. TalllTexan said...
    And the same Supreme Court, the ultimate law of the land that you lauded endlessly, ruled. I guess that institution is only great when its rulings coincide with your political views.


    The Supreme Court is not supposed to play ANY role in the elections of another branch of the government.

    Their role is to rule on whats constitutional, and whats not.

    And because of it, your great leader is the ONLY president in US history to be pelted with eggs on his way to his own innauguration.

    Yet you idiots think you have a mandate.

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  156. The Voice of the people was stifled many times by Bush the dictator, the most recent being when he obstructed and stifled the investigation into his warrantless spying on Americans.

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  157. George Dubya Bush is hands down, the most HATED President in US history.

    AND the most HATED US President in WORLD HISTORY.

    But you fools think you have a reason to talk smug.

    You'd be pathetic if you weren't so dangerous.

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  158. You guys seem more desperate, dishonest and incohertent every week.

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  159. not only the most hated Worf, he is flat out the WORST president in history bar none.

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  160. I know quite a few Liberal lawyers who think the Bush v. Gore was reasonable. They didn't like the result, but they thought the ruling was reasonable.

    The Court's jurisdiction is not as circumscribed as you make it sound.

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  161. I agree with you on the worst President thing Mike, but TT and FF might not, as it is subjective.

    But they cannot deny he is the most hated President in history, as that is not anyones opinion.

    That is a fact demonstrated around the world.

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  162. TalllTexan said...
    I know quite a few Liberal lawyers

    Reasonable?

    You call what happened to 16,000 African American voters in Broward County on election night "reasonable"?

    Well, maybe you are stupid enough to believe that the State Police, who answer to the Govenor, who just happened to be the brother of the guy running for President, just happened to set up road blocks on the only roads leading to the polling places on election night in an all democrat district, just "forgot" it was the night we were electing the President of the United States.

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  163. "WORFEUS said...
    George Dubya Bush is hands down, the most HATED President in US history.

    AND the most HATED US President in WORLD HISTORY.

    But you fools think you have a reason to talk smug.

    You'd be pathetic if you weren't so dangerous.

    8:57 PM"

    Read your history, Worf. Lincoln was probably more hated in his time. He imprisoned congressmen who opposed him, revoked habeas corpus, and even the Emancipation Proclamation was deemed unconstitutional. But today, we regard him as a great president.

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  164. LOL.

    Oh yea. Lincoln was more hated than Bush.

    Thats why the world mourned his death and all the country stopped in shock.

    You're an idiot tt.

    Comparing your stinking pile of excrement to Abraham Lincoln.

    Now I know you're a fool.

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  165. Like I didn't know before.

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  166. Lincoln was so hated that half the country tried to leave the Union.

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  167. Everywhere you go people hate Bush.

    England. Germany (well maybe not Germany), France, Russia, Egypt, Morroco, Pakistan...etc.

    There has NEVER been a President more universally ridiculed, and more universally hated, than the man you sold your soul to.

    Bush is a fool.

    And the serfs pay for the kings folly.

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  168. TalllTexan said...
    Lincoln was so hated that half the country tried to leave the Union.


    You don't know YOUR history clem.

    The war between the states started in Virginia, because of Federal imposition into what Virginia felt were "internal matters".

    It had nothing to do with a dislike for Lincoln.

    Knucklehead.

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  169. Well, more than half the voters preferred him in 2004 IN THIS COUNTRY.

    He's not out to win popularity contests IN FRANCE.

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  170. No TT.

    You mean more than half the DIEBOLD machines preferred him in 2004.

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  171. Worf, read Team of Rivals, Lincoln's Wrath, or April 1865.

    Well, that's it for me. Gotta be up early. Night all

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  172. Oh, and one more thing? I've never gone to the right wing blogs to disrupt the conversation. An interesting point? Most right wing blogs won't accept liberals to their blogs/websites because they screen whoever is registering. In some cases, it can take a week to get approval from them to post comments. Freedom of speech? Nope! Not on the right wing blogs!
    -KayInMaine

    Try this one Kay, when they open registration, you should get right in and enjoy a "fine reception" if you dare:
    Little Green Footballs

    You should feel lucky that almost all liberal blogs let you guys spew your crap.
    -KayInMaine

    You're funny Kay; Some like DemocraticUnderground and DailyKos have a goofy little rating system or alert buttons to notify the host when anyone has the timerity to venture off the lib plantation.

    I think Ms. Cornell's excellent blog is one of the few liberal blogs that do allow opposing viewpoints.

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  173. Yup, for the first time in history the voice of the people was squashed because the US Supreme Court decided to not have the votes counted to see who the majority of the country voted for, so instead, decided to put the right winger in! Is that how a democratic republic works? Nope! That's how a dictatorship works!

    After the votes were counted, Gore had @ 500,000 more votes than George "Weiner" Bush did. Gore won it that year and to many Americans George Bush is not an American-citizen elected president which makes the 2004 election null set.

    -KayInMaine

    The Supremes stopped the Florida judicial activists from doing what they pleased, flaunting the clearly worded rules made by Florida legislators duly elected by the people. They were correct to do so.

    Although AlGore won the popular majority he did not win a majority of the electoral votes, which in our political system means he lost the election for President. It's interesting that no one ever suggests doing away with the electoral college; they know this would never fly with the less populated states.

    After the official election results were in, every single Florida vote was counted and recounted ad nauseum. Every time the result was the same:

    George W. Bush won fair and square.

    But you bonehead libs already know all this; you just persist in repeating the lie that "Bush Stole the Election" because you get off on it. Nobody with a brain buys your silly propaganda. Whiners.

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  174. Freedom Fool declared;

    George W. Bush won fair and square.

    Now THATS funny.

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  175. Let me guess..."anonymous" who is talking about my child is really Voltaire or Freedom Fan?
    -KayInMaine

    Sorry, wrong again "lady".

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  176. Two more US soldiers were killed in Baghdad Saturday.

    Seven construction workers were gunned down in Iraq Saturday.

    Five civilians were killed in Iraq Saturday.

    Oh yes, the smell of war and death.

    A Republican legacy.

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  177. Now stop being a couple of assholes! Since you're insinuating that I'll beat my kid after Bush leaves, I could easily say that the reason you are camping outside with your nephews in a tent tonight is because YOU'RE GOING TO RAPE THEM! How does that make you feel? Hurt? It should if it isn't true!
    -KayInMaine

    What! I can't believe it! Smeared with a disgusting lie by a liberal? How could this be? Don't libs always tell the truth?

    When did anyone insinuate you would beat your kid? What I implied was that anyone living with someone so unhinged, so angry proly would be miserable. Your ex is exhibit A.

    You are one very sad, nasty, sick, undoubtedly lonely person. You are without honor and you are a waste of my precious time. No one would ever want to be you or be anywhere near you. You have my pity. Goodbye and good luck.

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  178. Oh FF.

    Stop being such a punk and be nice to new bloggers.

    Its one thing to give us hell, we're used to you.

    But trying to drive off new liberal bloggers should be beneath even you.

    Remember, in the end, you're a guest here.

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  179. Insane lib anger and hatred knows no bounds.

    Quod erat demonstrandum.

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  180. I'm not saying don't debate her, but you don't have to be so impolite to her.


    Act like a decent man, not a punk.

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  181. Worf, that wonderful gal is all yours. Why don't you ask her out? She would be perfect for you. You could both talk about how you hate everybody, and how your political opponents are surely child rapists.

    I will not ever talk to her. I may talk about her, but if she ever addresses me again I will bring out her albatross for all to see. Even Ms. Cornell may be disgusted.

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  182. Worfeus Said " Remember, in the end, you're a guest here."

    Sorry to differ with you Worf, but only a guest is invited.

    He/she/it was never invited.

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  183. Worf, that wonderful gal is all yours. Why don't you ask her out? She would be perfect for you. You could both talk about how you hate everybody, and how your political opponents are surely child rapists.

    I will not ever talk to her. I may talk about her, but if she ever addresses me again I will bring out her albatross for all to see. Even Ms. Cornell may be disgusted."

    whats a matter hippocritical Fascist Fan, you can dish it out but you cant take it, she did exactly what Troll tex did the other day by calling me and Lydia anti semetic and falsely claiming we said something we never did without offering a shred of proof and you not only didnt call him on it you defended him.

    You clowns clearly attacked her personally then when she hit you back you cry and whine like a little girl, you anf TT have no honor FF you are a bunch of lying slandering trolls.

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  184. Sorry to differ with you Worf, but only a guest is invited.

    He/she/it was never invited.

    -Larry

    Larry, Ms. Cornell quoted me on her blog, from an exchange we had on BradBlog. So in that sense she "invited" me as it would not be very sporting to talk about someone then not allow the opportunity to respond.

    However if she asks me to leave, I will graciously oblige. But if she embraces disgusting people like kayinmaine while excluding someone who can balance her, her blog will see a major drop in interest. But that's her call.

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  185. you clowns tried to drive her off the blog with personal attacks instead of honest debate, if it were my blog and you pulled that sneaky crap with a new blogger the door wouldnt have time to hit you in the ass if you did that again after I warned you, see you clowns think your so slick but you are completely transparent.

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  186. You clowns clearly attacked her personally then when she hit you back you cry and whine like a little girl, you anf TT have no honor FF you are a bunch of lying slandering trolls.
    -Mike

    Calling someone a child rapist for absolutely no reason is about the most fetid, vile thing I can imagine. If you are defending that, then you are no better.

    Now I know how the Israelis feel when you libs level your bogus charges about them targeting civilians. With you it's all about politics and anything goes. Very sad indeed.

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  187. How is calling your political opponents rapists different from calling them anti semetic or saying they hate israel with no facts to back it up FF answer me that mr wanna be smart guy?

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  188. another dodge Ff you STILL didnt address TT calling us anti semetic and saying we hate israel, come on punk if you dont like lies neither do we.

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  189. arent you man enough to admit what Troll Tex did was wrong or are you just all about politics and truth and integrity be damned!

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  190. Couldn't sleep, Mike, so I thought I would repost my questions that you earlier promised to answer:

    Ok, Mike, here's your chance to set the record straight:

    Do you think I am a Nazi?

    Please name the individuals who you think are Nazis.

    Is Bush a Nazi?

    Is Karl Rove a Nazi?

    When you write "KKKarl Rove" are you implying that he is a member of the Klan?

    When you refer to the Republican Party as the "Reich Wing," you are implying that all Republicans are Nazis, no?

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  191. How is calling your political opponents rapists different from calling them anti semetic
    -Mike

    Who said that? Not me. As you recall I was defending Ms. Cornell from the implication that she was anti-semitic.

    So stop trying to smear me with words someone else may or may not have said.

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  192. Its July 23rd, Eastern time.


    HAPPY BIRTHDAY LYDIA!!!

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  193. Hi TalllTexan.

    Did you see that our lovely new visitor called me a child rapist?

    She is one sick puppy indeed.

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  194. Ff said "Calling someone a child rapist for absolutely no reason is about the most fetid, vile thing I can imagine. If you are defending that, then you are no better."

    You show me where I defended it Ff I think lies and unsubstantiated allegations are dispicable, but it was amusing to see how you guys can dish it out but rant and cry bloody murder when you get a taste of your own medicine.

    I think slander and lies are dispicable but if you and Troll Tex want to drag the discussion into the gutter with lies slander and personal attacks because your positions are too weak to stand up under their own merits then you will get what you give because the sword cuts both ways.

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  195. Happy Birthday, Ms. Cornell!

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  196. Yes, FF, and as I said, it's all emotion and no facts with her. Pretty pathetic.

    She's stuck on the alleged Diebold conspiracy. You, they used Diebold machines in the election that brought Hamas to power. How does that fit into her conspiracy?

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  197. Troll Tex I will assure you will receive my response tomorrow, i'm not about to let you off the hook that easy

    Now for your questions, I will make one thing abundantly clear if you PROMISE to write a legitimate response and answer my questions then I will agree to respond to yours otherwise you can kiss my ass

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  198. You know, Mike, I might have taken all that back sometime ago, but since you are unwilling to retract your Nazi allegations, I'm not exactly in a magnanimous mood about it.

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  199. TalllTexan,

    Ah the silly Diebold tautology. Libs can't accept that most folks don't hold their world view, therefore the elections must have been "stolen". Bwahaha.

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  200. What questions. I reposted my questions for you, so you can repost your questions for me.

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