Friday, July 14, 2006

DEVIL'S GAME * PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN



We are on a Windjammer Sailboat, island-hopping in the Caribbean. Went to Bimini, where Hemingway lived for a while and wrote Islands in the Stream. Did he write "The Old Man and the Sea" here? I don't know. The bar he hung out in is now burned down. More below, but first this:

KayInMaine said...
If I hear Bush one more time say that the current aggression in the Middle East is Lebanon's fault because they fired rockets at Israel, I'm going to scream and bang my head against a wall! The current escalation started a few weeks ago when Israel killed a bunch of Palestinians who were on the beach. Of course, Israel is blaming everyone but themselves on why those people died! A few weeks goes by and Palestinian soldiers capture two of Israel's soldiers in retaliation for what Israel did to them. Did Israel overreact to that? Yup!!!!!! In my eyes, it is Israel who is provoking madness right now. I put most of the blame on them, because if you think about it, why couldn't Israel just hand over a few Palestinian prisoners in exchange for their soldiers back? I mean, really, that would have been the diplomatic solution to this, right?

After careful consideration I've determined that the Bush White House is telling Israel to push forward with force (but of course, the exact opposite is leaving Bush's mouth in public) and to use the reaction to it as a reason for America to invade Iran and Syria! But of course.

And remember....Bush always puts the blame on the country he wants to invade and occupy. Case closed. No further comment or explanation needed here." (from commenter KayInMaine)

* PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS OF AMERICA Reiterates CALL FOR AN END TO ISRAELI OCCUPATION

Around the world, people are watching in fear and horror as the Middle East sinks further into violence. We are witnessing human rights violations and civilian deaths on a massive scale in the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. And now, the conflict has escalated with added violence between the Lebanese Hezbollah and Israel. All of this comes on top of the chaos in Iraq caused by the unjust and ill-considered U.S. invasion and occupation.

Progressive Democrats of America asserts that any remedy to the escalating conflicts involving Israel and its neighbors must begin by addressing the illegal Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands and the consistent violence, humiliation and brutality the occupation entails. In the absence of this fundamental assertion, the violence will no doubt continue.

* CHEERS TO VALERIE PLAME and HER HUSBAND JOE WILSON!! Thank you for your courage in combatting the evil triumvirate CHENEY-ROVE-AND WHOEVER THE THIRD GUY IS who supports the most corrupt administration the United States has ever had.

* Also, I urge you all to read the brilliant book Devil's Game by my friend Robert Dreyfuss. The book will be out in paperback in August.

Some reviews: “A fluent tour de force—Dreyfuss skillfully documents the misguided stratagems of generations of statesmen whose attempts to use the Islamic right to Western strategic advantage have helped make political Islam the formidable force it is today. He makes a convincing case that the U.S. government inadvertently played a central role in building up the forces that struck New York and Washington on 9/11, and questions whether some current U.S. policies and actions are not still strengthening rather than weakening enemies of our country. Dreyfuss’ carefully researched and well-written story will be a revelation to experts on the Islamic world and a shock to concerned Americans.”
—Chas W. Freeman, Jr., former assistant secretary of defense and U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, 1989-92

Dreyfuss's thorough research on the subject involves extensive interviews with former officials as well as the study of published works. The result is a stunning summary of missed opportunities and signals ignored. Highly recommended. —Library Journal

“’The enemy of enemy is my friend’ is usually considered unsophisticated, tribal thinking. But Robert Dreyfuss shows how, during the Cold War, precisely this principle led the United States to support anti-Communist Islamist movements throughout the Muslim world—nurturing the whirlwind we are reaping today. His book is judicious, fascinating, and deeply grounded in a little-know history that stretches many decades back from the CIA’s support for anti-Soviet forces in Afghanistan. He is wise enough to know that all the strength of fundamentalist Islam can’t be blamed on American bungling, but the amount that can is appalling.”
—Adam Hochschild, author of Bury the Chains and King Leopold’s Ghost


WINDJAMMER TRIP: Went to two uninhabited islands, with the most amazing beaches and clear crystal water. A small storm (mini-hurricane) caught up with us and we almost capsized in the launch. But most of the time we've been snorkeling and diving with the kids. Saw a scorpion fish and got to pet some wild stingrays; they're so amazing with these big round eyes. They remind me of our puppy dog. Also saw a shark in a cove. This trip was a gift/payment for hosting the World Travel Awards, courtesy of the Really Spectacular Company. We are at the Atlantis Hotel on Paradise island right now.

We met the most wonderful people on this boat; can't wait to sail with them again. And we are all madly in love with Captain Fernando!

I teach my sons to have the deepest respect for the office of the President of the United States, but we must remember it is an elected office, and the president is a politician. When one political party does not have the best interest of honest Americans at heart, it is our duty to take notice, speak out and earnestly seek the truth. Most of all, we cannot have this lack of fundamental trust. The minute George W. Bush was "elected" to power, I knew something was terribly wrong. We need full disclosure of the motives and deeds of this corrupt regime. This does not feel like the America of my childhood. Maybe we are not jaded enough, but I believe in the American dream of our forefathers. I am heartsick at this administration. The American public deserves to know what the government is spending our money on. If they are wasting American taxpayer money hacking into bloggers and regular American citizens who are merely expressing their opinions on blogs and newspapers, this is the worst form of censorship. It is criminal.

Back in a week.
Love xo
OPEN THREAD - let's talk about Beirut and the Valerie Plame lawsuit!!

1,358 comments:

  1. Gee, I went down to the 5 and dime this morning....

    Bought some writing paper....


    Got to pet someones Golden Retriever standing outside...

    :|

    Not quite the same huh?

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  2. How come I'm the only one in here this morning?

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  3. Tall Texan10:08 AM

    Worf, I just posted a notice in the Springstein thread to ask everyone to come here. FWIW.
    TT

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  4. Anonymous10:18 AM

    Did you know that when al-Zarqawi was killed by those two 500 lb.bombs the N.Y.Times lowered their american flag at half staff the nxt day. Just kidding..the times does'nt have an american flag.

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  5. Cool thanks TT.

    How are they hanging today?

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  6. Anonymous12:51 PM

    Dont you just love the Israeli's,they take crap off no one.They fought for 4,000 years to have that small piece of nothing that they've turned into a country and there is'nt a power on earth thats going to take it away.Egypt learned that lesson twice.
    Dont you wish american liberals had the heart the Israeli's have in protecting this country.Do you think any Dem will stand up to condemn Isreal in an election year?I wonder where Upchuck Schumer is on this.

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  7. "Republicans used to accuse Democrats of "throwing money at problems." The Bush administration not only throws money at problems; it misses them."


    As for White House comparisons, there's no contest. The current Republican administration leaves its Democratic predecessor in the dust for both amounts spent and money wasted. Bush is the biggest spender since Lyndon Johnson, according to the Cato Institute. In domestic discretionary spending (which doesn't include defense or entitlements), Bush has Johnson beat. By contrast, Bill Clinton stands as a paragon of restraint. Domestic discretionary spending jumped an average 8 percent a year in Bush's first term, versus only 2.5 percent annually in Clinton's eight years.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/text/2003123172_harrop13.html

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  8. Is Bush a borrow and spend liberal or just a hypocrite about his policies?

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  9. Sumyungfool said;

    Dont you just love the Israeli's,they take crap off no one.

    Really?

    Funny. I don't seem to recall them dishing it out too hard in Dachau or Auschwitz.

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  10. Plame sues White House figures over CIA leak
    Former CIA officer and husband file lawsuit against Cheney, Libby, Rove
    BREAKING NEWS

    Updated: 5 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON - The CIA officer whose identity was leaked to reporters sued Vice President Dick Cheney, his former top aide and presidential adviser Karl Rove on Thursday, accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career.

    In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court, Valerie Plame and her husband, Joseph Wilson, a former U.S. ambassador, accused Cheney, Rove and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby of revealing Plame’s CIA identity in seeking revenge against Wilson for criticizing the Bush administration’s motives in Iraq.

    Several news organizations wrote about Plame after syndicated columnist Robert Novak named her in a column on July 14, 2003. Novak’s column appeared eight days after Wilson alleged in an opinion piece in The New York Times that the administration had twisted prewar intelligence on Iraq to justify going to war.

    The CIA had sent Wilson to Niger in early 2002 to determine whether there was any truth to reports that Saddam Hussein’s government had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger to make a nuclear weapon. Wilson discounted the reports, but the allegation nevertheless wound up in President Bush’s 2003 State of the Union address.

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  11. Instructor who says U.S. behind 9/11 keeps job
    University cites 'free exchange of ideas' over political pressure
    AP Updated: 3:19 p.m. MT July 11, 2006

    MADISON, Wis. - An instructor at the University of Wisconsin who has said he believes U.S. officials orchestrated the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, will be allowed to teach a course on Islam, the school says.

    Some state politicians had called for the University of Wisconsin-Madison to fire part-time instructor Kevin Barrett after he spoke about his theories on a radio talk show last month.

    “We cannot allow political pressure from critics of unpopular ideas to inhibit the free exchange of ideas,” Provost Patrick Farrell said in a statement Monday. “To the extent that his views are discussed, Mr. Barrett has assured me that students will be free — and encouraged — to challenge his viewpoint.”

    Politicians who had called for Barrett’s dismissal blasted the decision.

    “The governor would have come to a different conclusion about this,” said Matt Canter, a spokesman for Gov. Jim Doyle.

    State Rep. Steve Nass said he would push next year for cuts to the university’s budget.

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  12. So according to repugs free speech is fine as long as the person exercising that free speech is not saying something they do not agree with or that opposes their political beliefs or people, typical repug hypocrites.

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  13. Did White House break law on revealing intel?
    GOP lawmaker: Bush’s failure to brief Congress may have violated law
    AP Updated: 4:05 p.m. MT July 9, 2006

    WASHINGTON - The White House possibly broke the law by keeping intelligence activities a secret from the lawmakers responsible for overseeing them, the House Intelligence Committee chairman said Sunday.

    Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., said he was informed about the programs by whistleblowers in the intelligence community and then asked the Bush administration about the programs, using code names. Hoekstra said members of the House and Senate intelligence committees then were briefed on the programs, which he said is required by law.

    in this case, there was at least one major — what I consider significant activity that we have not been briefed on. I want to set the standard there that it is not optional for this president or any president or people in the executive community not to keep the intelligence committees fully informed of what they are doing,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.”

    Hoekstra complained to President Bush in a letter dated May 18 that was disclosed in Sunday’s New York Times.

    ‘A direct affront to me’
    In the letter, Hoekstra said the failure to brief the intelligence committees “may represent a breach of responsibility by the administration, a violation of law and, just as importantly, a direct affront to me and the members of this committee who have so ardently supported efforts to collect information on our enemies.”

    Frederick Jones, spokesman for Bush’s National Security Council, said the only comment the White House would have on the letter was that the administration “will continue to work closely with the chairman and other congressional leaders on important national security issues.”

    Hoekstra has been critical of the administration before. In his letter, he also objected to the president’s nominees for the director and deputy director of the CIA. He also complains about the role of the director of national intelligence — a position created in response to the Sept. 11 attacks.

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  14. but of course the repug trolls will say not to take this man seriously because he is just another repug traitor.

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  15. Tall Texan3:03 PM

    "Mike said...
    Plame sues White House figures over CIA leak
    Former CIA officer and husband file lawsuit against Cheney, Libby, Rove
    BREAKING NEWS

    "Updated: 5 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON - The CIA officer whose identity was leaked to reporters sued Vice President Dick Cheney, his former top aide and presidential adviser Karl Rove on Thursday, accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career."

    She was already outed. Everyone in the DC cocktail circuit knew it, Andrea Mitchell knew it, etc., etc., etc.

    Joe Wilson listed her on his Who's Who entry using her maiden name, she also was outed by Alrdrich Ames.

    There's no "there" there.

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  16. Worfeus3:05 PM

    Doing well today. Thanks, Worf.

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  17. Anonymous3:05 PM

    Wuffy,Israel did'nt exsist during Auschwitz and Dachau but did'nt they make everyone involved they caught afterwards pay the price.I hope they turn Lebanon into a parking lot and then go destroy any semblance of a neclear reactor in Iran.

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  18. Tall Texan3:06 PM

    Sorry worf, that was me, TT, by mistake.

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  19. Court to review eavesdropping program
    APUpdated: 12:59 a.m. MT July 13, 2006
    WASHINGTON - The White House has conditionally agreed to a court review of its controversial eavesdropping program, Senate Judiciary Chairman Arlen Specter said Thursday.

    Specter said President Bush has agreed to sign legislation that would authorize the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to review the constitutionality of the National Security Agency’s most high-profile monitoring operations.

    “You have here a recognition by the president that he does not have a blank check,” the Pennsylvania Republican told his committee.

    Breaking with historic norms, the president authorized the actions without a court warrant.

    The disclosure of the program in December sparked outrage among Democrats and civil liberties advocates who said Bush overstepped his authority as president.

    Specter said the legislation, which has not yet been made public, was the result of “tortuous” negotiations with the White House since June.

    “If the bill is not changed, the president will submit the Terrorist Surveillance Program to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court,” Specter said. “That is the president’s commitment.”

    Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, the committee’s senior Democrat, said Bush could submit the program to the court right now, if he wished. He called the potential legislation “an interesting bargain.”

    “He’s saying, if you do every single thing I tell you to do, I’ll do what I should have done anyway,” Leahy said.

    The Center for National Security Studies and other civil liberties advocates have consistently faulted Specter’s proposals. “They would set up a system of sham judicial review,” said the center’s director Kate Martin.

    White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the administration still does not believe changes in law are necessary, but added that it remains willing to work with Congress.

    The administration official, who asked not to be identified because discussions are still ongoing, said the bill also would give the attorney general power to consolidate the 100 lawsuits filed against the surveillance operations into one case before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

    Specter did not explain to his committee that detail, which is likely to raise the ire of civil liberties groups.

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in an interview that Specter’s agreement with the White House raises the “thorny question” about whether the content of conversations should be subject to individual courts warrants.

    “I really need to see the bill,” said Feinstein, one of a select group of lawmakers who has been fully briefed on the monitoring operations.

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  20. Anonymous3:07 PM

    Duh....ya think Plames law suit has anything to do with the book she has coming out? Poor girl has to do anything she can friggin Joe wont look for work.

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  22. Poor poor repugies you got too many scandals and too much corruption and lies to defend them all, better prioritize and pick who to defend today and work real hard to keep all the lies and spin straight.

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  23. I have to say the Bush Administration has sure been on their heels and been doing a lot of backpedaling since the Supreme Court bitch slapped them back to reality and put them in their place, and made it abundantly clear that they dont have a blank check to do as they please.

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  24. Sumyungfool said;

    Israel did'nt exsist during Auschwitz and Dachau

    LOL, yes it did nimrod. Israel was one of the first civilizations.

    The settlements you're referring to of course did not, but the people have been here since the dawn of man.

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  25. Anonymous3:18 PM

    Mike ,speaking of getting "bitch slapped," you must still be stinging from that one your buddy moo moo gave you last night.

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  26. Uhh... I think you got that backwords slim.

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  27. Johnny Mee Mee, the anonymous narcisist.

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  28. keep dreaming johnny troll, just like a typical repug to get their clock cleaned and then declare victory.

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  29. speaking of repugs look at all the scandals I posted about, its so hard to pick which corruption scandal to discus first.

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  30. Its a regular smorgashboard.

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  31. but since I posted about Plame suing Cheney, Rove and Libby first how bout we start with that one, I think it will be interesting to see what comes out in that trial.........course it wouldnt surprise me if Cheney tries to say that info is clasified, after the fact of course.

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  32. Tall Texan3:33 PM

    TOP SECRET INTERVIEW EXPOSED! By Ann Coulter
    Wed Jul 5, 8:06 PM ET

    It was nice to see The New York Times commemorating Independence Day this week with a tribute to its favorite Revolutionary War hero, Benedict Arnold. Times editor Bill Keller spent the day attending Revolutionary War battle re-enactments, where he passed the Continental Army's secret battle plans to the British.

    This week I plan to reveal my own top secret information: an interview I did with the New York Post the week my current No. 1 best seller, "Godless," was released. On account of an important breaking story on Angelina Jolie's new tattoo, the Post never found room to run the long interview I wasted my time answering for the Post's Larry Getlen.

    Once considered a legitimate daily, the Post has been reduced to tabloid status best known for Page Six's breathless accounts of Paris Hilton's latest ruttings, and headlines like "Vampire Teen -- H.S. Girl Is Out for Blood." How crappy a newspaper is the Post? Let me put it this way: It's New York's second-crappiest paper.

    Maybe the Post's constant harassment of me is an attempt to shake me down for protection money like they did with billionaire businessman Ron Burkle. I have sold a LOT of books -- more books, come to think of it, than any writers at the New York Post.

    Here's Part 1:

    NY POST: Vitriol aside for a moment, how would you define a liberal, politically speaking?

    A: Naive, misinformed fanatical Mother Earth-worshipers and fervent America-haters -- and those are their good traits.

    NY POST: In "Godless," you lump many views you disagree with under the banner of a liberal religion. But many Democrats (as with Republicans) disagree amongst themselves on many of these issues. Do you consider all Americans who vote Democrat to be liberals?

    A: Or fools.

    NY POST: How many liberals do you think there actually are in this country?

    A: Way too many, but that's just a rough estimate. You know, somewhere in the ballpark of "way too many."

    NY POST: Your books, like Bill O'Reilly's, generally go to No. 1. But so do Michael Moore's and Al Franken's. What do you think this says about the real nature of what Americans believe, politically and ideologically?

    A: Judging by your list, that half of them are patriotic.

    NY POST: In the last two presidential elections combined, the number of people who voted for the Democrat and the number who voted for the Republican were pretty close to even. Isn't it safe to say that the country rests somewhere in the middle of conservatism and liberalism?

    A: Yes, I think the results of the last "American Idol" vote pretty much proved that.

    NY POST: Your characterization of liberals paints them as extremists. But with people like Pat Robertson telling us how God keeps telling him who He's angry at, isn't it fair to say that there are extremists on both sides?

    A: Pat Robertson opposes capital punishment, opposed the impeachment of Bill Clinton and supports trade with China, just for starters. Seems like a pretty mixed bag to me. So what makes you call him extreme? That he believes he has dialogue with the Lord? Do liberals now call anyone who thinks this an "extremist"?

    NY POST: Do you believe there is a political middle? If so, how would you define it?

    A: There is no more a "political middle" than there is a family in America with 2.3 children. People with opinions take sides. Contrary to what you've heard, it's actually more important to stand for something than it is for everybody to "just get along."

    NY POST: You speak in the book of "Muslims' predilection for violence," accepting it as a given. But many would argue that many Muslims, in this country and others, lead average, everyday lives, and denounce violence. How is painting all Muslims as violent any different than looking at the Crusades, or at any of the Christian extremist groups around today, and saying, "All Christians are murderers?"

    A: Quite obviously, referring to "Muslims' predilection for violence" is not the same as saying, "All Christians are murderers." It would be the same if I had said, "All Muslims are murderers." You didn't do too well on the analogies section of the SATs, did you?

    NY POST: You say that "without a fundamental understanding of man's place in the world" (by which you mean God), we risk being lured into, among other things, slavery. But weren't the American slaveholders devout Christians?

    A: They may have been devout Christians, but they weren't being good Christians by holding slaves. That's the point: Any Christian slaveholder had to violate Christianity to own slaves.

    Thus -- and obviously -- the abolitionist movement was fueled by Christians, much as the anti-abortion movement is today.

    I'm sure in the year 2106 some future Ann Coulter will be asked to explain why some Christians had abortions 100 years earlier. Christians sometimes lapse into the church of liberalism by doing bad things, just as liberals sometimes lapse into our church by doing good things.

    (To be continued later this summer ...)

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  33. Does Coulter ever have anything to say TT, thats not incoherent outrageous BS?

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  34. But back to Cheney, now that he is being sues does anyone share my view that he "MAY" go down for this one?

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  35. Anonymous3:39 PM

    Mike,she sounds a ton smarter then you.

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  36. Anonymous3:41 PM

    Oh yea Cheney will be indicted this coming Tues. at 10:47 EST.They will perp walk him out of the whitehouse in handcuffs with his jacket over his head.This is a HUGE story,

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  37. Back to Cheney, anyone think he will be dragged in to court to testify, have records subpoened and be further discredited (if thats still possible) and possibly impeached?

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  38. Anonymous3:44 PM

    Mike,they dont impeach vice presidents.

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  39. I mean dont forget Fitzgerald's investigation is ongoing, and i'm sure there was a reason he let Rove off the hook when he CLEARLY leaked information, sounds like he might have thrown the smaller fish back to catch the bigger fish.

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  40. of course they dont, and how did you know this fact?........could be you've allready had a corrupt one removed from office (Agnew) or could be because you looked into that to see what "MIGHT" become of old Dead Eye Dick.

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  41. Anonymous3:47 PM

    Yep Mike,once again you're right as rain.My sources tell me next Tues.is the day,all hell is going to break loose.Cheney will be spending the night in the gray bar motel.Ya think he'll make bail?

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  42. Thats a pretty good point you got there.

    Maybe if you comb your hair over it no one will notice.

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  43. there you go again johnny troll trying to create my argument for me and box me into saying tuesday or some specific day he will be indicted, are you that dumb that you need to use dishonest troll tactics to win arguments?

    BTW though you do seem to be fairly knowledgable out US GOV for a so claimed disinterested 3rd party canadian.

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  44. Anonymous3:50 PM

    I also know for a fact that once Cheney is out of the picture the leading candidates to get appointed VP are Richard Clarke Joe Wilson and Tom Daschle.

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  45. Anonymous3:53 PM

    You're right us hoser's know quite a bit aboot you americans,aye.

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  46. But enough about Cheney allready, how about we discuss how repugs can claim to support freedom of speech, then hippocritically attempt to stifle a college professors free speech by trying to silence him and get him fired because they dont like what he has to say when he exercises his freedom of speech.

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  47. so I guess like a typical facists you repuggies are all for free speech as long as it supports your people politically and you agree with the message of the person exrecising their free speech.............so in reality you hippocrite fascists dont believe in free spech at all you guys just believe in repug spin.

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  48. Anonymous4:00 PM

    "hippocrite fascists"...wow,is'nt that special.

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  49. come on smart guy, I though your here for debate, thats not an answer, how can you hippocrites claim to support free speech and then try to get someone fired that exercises their freedom of speech.......come on you can respond out side of your tired old talking points, cant ya????

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  50. come on smart guy, i'm waiting for an answer, how bout you prove you are here for honest debate and discussion and not to be a slimy troll by answering the question?

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  51. whats wrong genius, you cant answer so you will ignore the question....or declare victory.....or change the subject back to one of your stupid talking points.

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  52. man you mentally challenged punks talk a mean game but get your clocks cleaned every single day!

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  53. Mike,Mike,Mike,it has nothing to do with "free speech". How would you like to be paying for your childs education and there's a teacher whose course is Muslim Studies and he's teaching (and he honestly believes this) that 9-11 was a conspiracy and the twin towers were brought down by timed explosives.His point is how could 19 men armed with box cutters take over 4 planes.This is like yelling fire in a movie house.

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  54. whats wrong are the little gears and wheels in your little walnut smoking and burning trying to come up with an intelligent response, I thought you were so brilliant, is that all ya got...............nothing, zip, zilch, nadda!

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  55. This twit is worse than Ward Churchill/

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  56. BS, you clowns are allowed to use the media to spread your garbage that we need to fight them there instead of hear and abandon the Geneva Convention, so he has just as much right to voice his opinion.

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  57. Thats the whole crux of why this idiot should be removed.Have you seen this guy,have you heard him talk,he's not only irrational he's just a bit crazy.

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  58. What the hell does this have to do with the Geneva convention.Do you even know what the Geneva convention is?

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  59. he is doing nothing different that Coulter or O'liely or the Bush propagabda machine is doing, trying to influence people and sway public opinion, and if his free speech needs to be regulated so does your guys.

    But to clarify I am strongly for total Free speech with no regulations.

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  60. hippocrites to the end, you clowns want to be able to influence people and sway public opinion but dont want the other side to have those same rights.

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  61. So let me get this straight,if we capture a suspected terrorist and he has information about a bomb that is set to explode at the mall in your hometown we should only be allowed to ask him his name rank and serial number? Do you really in fact suppoet that?

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  62. weak weak arguments rusty/johnny, you guys want to be able to say what you want and believe but if you dont like what someone else believes or says you want to stifle and silence their rights of freedom of speech.

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  63. Coulter,Bush and O'rielly are'nt teaching what ammounts to kids at a state funded school,there lies a real big difference.

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  64. You did'nt answer the question about the captured terrorist.Well what do you support?

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  65. Come on Mike,you wanted debate answer the question.

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  66. I smell smoke,are you thinking again?

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  67. You know I think that moo moo guy was right about you.You screech but never answer a direct question.

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  68. Anonymous4:27 PM

    The Crisco Kid rides again.

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  69. Dont call college adults kids, many people are 21 and over and many are middle aged adults, dont try and spin this like this professor was brainwashing 8 year olds because thats BS.

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  70. Hey RustyJohnny.

    I'd support torturing you.

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  71. Well Mike,its obvious you're hiding under the bed or in the closet.I'm not waiting around for an answer.Would this be considered a bitch slapping on you?

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  72. Mike,answer the other qusetion.

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  73. thats what college is for to teach critical open minded thinking and being open minded to other people's perspectives and point of view.

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  74. Watch it woofy,the Jews may bomb you next.

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  75. What question?

    You're an idiot.

    You support torture then you're the enemy.

    Plain and simple.

    You're part of the "Axis of Evil" and you need to be in jail or in a body bag.

    End of story.

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  76. Anyone who supports torture is an enemy of the state.

    Anyone.

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  77. see if every single class was specifically trying to influence and sway people's opinion politically like the MSM is doing that would be different but this was one professor voicing his personal opinion by exercising his freedom of speech, he wasnt coercing or forcing people to think like him.

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  78. Torturers are cowards, traitors and an enemy to the United States of America.

    They are an enemy to freedom and an enemy to God.

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  79. see college teaches us to look at our leaders objectively and question them and not just show blind trust and loyalty to them and believe they have our best interests at heart.

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  80. O.K.Mike,ya got me.I surrender to you superior debating skills.I declare you champion.Anyhow I got kicked off my school debating team when the opposing guy made his point and I just said "well F*#K You",I thought I won because he never answered..... I stole that from Ron White.

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  81. johnny you are the dumbest punk i've ever encountered!!!!

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  82. Woofy,you sound like Mike Dukakis when he was asked that question about supporting the death penalty if his wife had been raped and murdered and he said no.

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  83. And yes any one who supports torture is a cowardly traitor.

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  84. I think you ment to say that weenie bleeding heart liberals are the true enemys of this wonderful country.God bless America.

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  85. the death penalty is the easy way out the reougs try to talk tough but like usual they are not tough at all.

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  86. Thats it Johnny Mee Mee, make the argument for us so you can win.

    Cause I am not opposed to bashing anyone like you in the head until your feet stop kicking.

    Bash em all in the head.

    And come to my house faggot, and I'll start with you.

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  87. You're a cantaloupe.

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  88. I'd really wonder if you two would kinda rethink that if a couple of your family members were being held with the good chance of having their heads cut off and a captured torrorist knew where they were and you only had a couple hours to find them.I know I'd support skinning that prick.

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  89. Anyone who supports torture is the lowest and most worthless of cowards and scum.

    They are traitors to the US, a traitor to freedom and an enemy of democracy.

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  90. Naw,I'll meet you at the "dojo."

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  91. That's why the american people dont trust liberals to protect them.They know that when things get rocky a liberal will go all French on you,throw up their hands and run away.

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  92. like usual you use the absurd and extreme to try to justify your actions, many of those imprisoned are not terrorists and are being held and tortured with no formal charges, many were tortured for months and years then released.

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  93. You're pathetic story is crap.

    That scenario almost anyone would beat the crap out of someone till they told them where their family member was.

    But we are not talking about that scenario you inbred maggot.

    The US does not torture, and no peice of information is that vital to our safety.

    And that is a FACT, proven by you stupid blithering idiots, who got HANDED that information months before 911, that 911 was about to happen. You did SQUAT.

    SQUAT.

    If a terrorist tattooed on your foreheads the plans to his next terrorist attack you wouldn't know what to do with it.

    Cause you're just stupid.

    And people like you need to go away.

    Either jail or a crypt.

    I don't really care which.

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  94. it would be a cold day in hell when I ever ran from a little punk like you johnny troll.

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  95. Cowards.

    Traitors.

    Pussies.

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  96. you fools let the terrorists go and invaded iraq a country that had nothing to do with the terrorists who attacked us.

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  97. you chicken hawks talk all tough but you are the biggest pussies i've ever seem!

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  98. The problem with you guys,you're always getting your toes caught in your sandle's and hitting your heads on your wind chimes...I got that from P.J.O'Rourke.You dont want to kill convicted murderers but dont mind killing millions of unborn babies.Shame on you.

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  99. stupid talking points again troll!

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  100. can you ever operate outside your dumb repug talking points.

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  101. Johnny dickhead mee mee said...
    Naw,I'll meet you at the "dojo."

    Then meet me there faggot. I still go there about once a month.

    In fact, I will be there wednesday for a belt award for a freinds kid.

    Ask for worf faggot.

    And bring that dumb ass kid of yours too so she can watch daddy learn to talk through his navel.

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  102. you fools have no value for human life whatsoever yet you constantly whime and cry about abortion all the time.

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  103. If either of you wimps ever met up with me or someone like me you'd better bring a big lunch cause you'll be getting the asskicking of your life.

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  104. Lying sack of shit saidl;

    You dont want to kill convicted murderers

    Like I said wimp.

    Keep making the arugments for us.

    Cause thats just one more lie.

    I'd have no problem with flipping the switch on your dumbass.

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  105. the offer is open anytime your feeling squirlley johnny punk punk!

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  106. Is that the fantasy dojo,near the fantasy ranch? Do I need to follow the yellow brick road?

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  107. You two are way to easy,you could'nt find the cheeks of your asses with both hands.

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  108. Bring it on Rusty faggot.

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  109. arent you going to talk about your deadlift again like a typical 13 year old punk?

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  110. Mike,I'd say BOO,you'd pee your pants and run away.

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  111. Wow, Ann's been at it again!

    Coulter: "It was nice to see The New York Times ..."
    Arianna Huffington at Huffington Post July 5, 2006: "So it was nice to see the New York Times show some cojones ..."

    Coulter: "... commemorating Independence Day ..."
    Yaro Bihun, The Ukrainian Weekly, Sept. 27, 1998: "Members of Congress join Ukrainians in commemorating Independence Day"

    Coulter: "... this week with ..."
    ABC: "This Week With George Stephanopoulos"

    Coulter: "... a tribute to its favorite Revolutionary War hero ..."
    US Mint Fun Facts With Kids: "Which Revolutionary War hero also helped make coins?"

    Coulter: "... Benedict Arnold."
    His parents, Benedict Arnold III and Hannah Waterman King.

    What a shameless hussy, stealing from Arianna Huffington, Yaro Bihun, ABC, the U.S. Mint and 18th century parents to write: "It was nice to see The New York Times commemorating Independence Day this week with a tribute to its favorite Revolutionary War hero, Benedict Arnold."

    -Just kidding, this is from Don Surber's blog....LOL

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  112. 13000 Block of Rhode Island Ave.

    Washington DC.

    Next Wednesday between 11:00 and 2:00.

    See you then faggot.

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  113. Well ladies I'm gonna go reread Godless.

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  114. Come to the white concrete building labeled DC Dragons.

    And bring a waiver.

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  115. Will you be wearing your best dress?

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  116. Just for you princess.

    See you then.

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  117. Hey ain't it cool?

    We're about to witness the acts that will usher in a new era of peace.

    Israel is about to light up the middle east, and I'm sure we'll help.

    Afterwards, they'll be great allies just like Japan.

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  118. Tell ya what,come on out to Vegas,I'll meet you in the card room at the Mirage...anytime.

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  119. Rusty Shackelford said...
    Tell ya what,come on out to Vegas,I'll meet you in the card room at the Mirage...anytime

    No, I think I made my offer faggot.

    Cause when I'm done rearranging that big fat mouth of yours to your ass, instead of having a bunch of your casino goons taking me into the back for some fun with bench vices, you'll be going on a little ride downtown right into whats affectionatly called, Central Cellblock, courtesy of DC's finest.

    Dumbass.

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  120. Actually worf,

    It's the 1700 block....

    DC DRAGONS KARATE TRAINING
    1731 RHODE ISLAND AVE NE ,
    Washington , DC 20018
    (202)526-3681

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  121. You wouldn't be sending 'ol Rusty on a wild goose chase, now would you?

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  122. BTW,

    Are you a member of the "Competition Dance Team"?

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  123. Now I'm wondering,

    Is your "Gi" pink and have ruffles around the waist?

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  124. No.

    That'd be yo mamas.

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  125. And BTW Shacklefag
    , its interesting how you guys all seem to be associated with the Mirage in Vegas.

    Hey Mike?

    Whose the other mook who was talking so tough about working the casinos in vegas?

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  126. LOL, worf is a "pink" belt....

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  127. Funny, Mike was out there and announced his coming out there for weeks and weeks.

    He told you guys WHERE hed be, and WHEN he'd be there.

    And how many of you mooks showed up?

    Not ONE.

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  128. Good grief worf,

    Did'ya SEE his picture? If he had a drink or two and accidently FELL on you he'd kill ya...

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  129. Wonder what that'd register on the richter scale?

    I'm halfway across the country and I bet it'd rattle the plates in my cabinets....

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  130. It DOES however explain his thinking.

    I imagine it must take quite a bit of energy to get a neuron to fire across that much lard....LOL

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  131. The one Lydia put up in a previous post...

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  132. Volt. I don't know what you're talking about.

    Are you talking about Rusty Shaklefag? You're saying there is a picture of him somewhere?

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  133. Anonymous5:27 PM

    Worfs' fake dojo;

    DC DRAGONS KARATE TRAINING
    1731 RHODE ISLAND AVE NE ,
    Washington , DC 20018
    (202)526-3681

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  134. NO, Mikey's picture....

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  135. Mikey Fat?

    What the hell are you talking about?

    He looked big but big like a bruiser.

    A knucklecruncher.

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  136. anonymous,

    Don't forget AND

    Competition Dance Team

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  137. Worf,

    You mean a "Knuckle dragger"?

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  138. No.

    A knucklecruncher.

    Didn't you ever watch the Rockford Files?

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  139. Used to.

    Till I found out James Garner was a big leftie...

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  140. Oh come on.

    I still like John Wayne.

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  141. Rockford was the man.

    Remember Angel?


    Now Jimmy, I got a plan see....

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  142. I tried watching Angel once on a friends recommendation.

    He was turned into a muppet.
    (it was a little amusing when he turned into a vampire muppet)

    I like Buffy MUCH better...

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  143. Hey wuffy,I think Vegas would be better for you after all you'll be able to go see a show through the one eye that was'nt swollen shut and sip a drink through a straw with that broken jaw.Big Mike,the other "code pink" member.

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  144. Wuf like John Wayne? I would have guessed Charles Nelson Rielly.

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  145. Turn on the news,those Jewish hero's are bombing the hell out of Beirut.They are dropping leaflets telling people to get out of Dodge some big shit is on the way.I love those people.Dont you libs wish you had balls like that?

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  146. Instead of kicking the crap out of a terrorist you guys want to join hands and sing folk songs.

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  147. No.

    That would be your mother.

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  148. I think DC Dragons is a womens crew team out of DC.

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  149. Then now that you have their address, I suggest you walk in and tell them that.

    Tell them you're looking for a liberal named worf and you want to kick his, or any other liberals or democrats asses.

    Let us know how that works out for you.

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  150. Dont you just love the Israeli's,they take crap off no one.They fought for 4,000 years to have that small piece of nothing that they've turned into a country and there is'nt a power on earth thats going to take it away.Egypt learned that lesson twice.
    -Anonypuss

    Yea, verily; Israel rhawwhawks. Once again libs choose the wrong side of history just like they did in the cold war when they wanted unilateral disarmament.

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  151. Hey wuffy,I did a google search on this DC dragon and it came up as a ladies swim team.Whats going on,you trying to be a trickster?

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  152. Anonymous6:28 PM

    The Israeli's bombed the Beirut/Damascas highway because Iran was restocking the terrorist with weapons.I sure those bombs got a made in the U.S.A. marking on them somewhere.This could work out very well if the Israeli's take this into Iran.The perfect time to turn that sand into glass.

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  153. Thanks for the tip Volt. Hey Ms. Cornell's blog is becoming quite the rite wing hangout, eh?

    Gotta luv Ann, baby. She kicks ass and names names.

    N.Y. TIMES: BETTER DEAD THAN READ

    Funny how libs try to portray Sulzberger's rag as part of the vast right wing conspiracy.

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  154. If this escalates into Iran the perfect scenario would be to pull the ground troops out of Iraq,put the old B-52's in the air and let the carpet bombing begin and keep it up.Not like Viet Nam when the left and Walter Cronkite said the war was unwinable and LBJ pissed his pants and sold the military done the tubes leaving the mess for Nixon.

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  155. Anony,

    Israel is repeatedly ripped by libs and their Islamofascist buddies in the U.N. for just trying to defend itself.

    IMHO Israel has been far more restrained than the U.S. would be if say, pinkos in Berzerkely tried to set up their own country and started launching rockets into L.A. and sending suicide bombers into Houston.

    The U.S. is famous for zealous over-kill when our back is to the wall. Our enemies ignore world history at their own peril.

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  156. Liberals wonder why the average american has absolutly no faith in them to protect us.They forget their own history,they've been cutting and running since Harry Truman stopped McArthur from heading through North Korea into China and would'nt let Gen.Curtis Lamay use nukes.They'ne been pussies since the early 50's but yet they think we forget.

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  157. Anonymous6:45 PM

    Yet these fools would be happy to turn the protection of america over to the likes of Kerry,Boxer,Reid or Kennedy or better yet Russ Feingold.

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  158. Anonymous6:54 PM

    So true FF,they forget Dresden Germany and the fire storm over Tokyo.

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  159. FF, I prefer to think of it as the "correct wing" thank you....LOL

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  160. Rusty, I'm SURE you meant 1850's (at least)...

    Remember the "copperhead" Dems that were urging us to surrender to the south....

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  161. Now, where are worf,mike and clif? They seem to run and hide whenever the going gets a bit tough for them,either that or call everyone troll's or nazi's.

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  162. bout time for cliffy to make an appearance isn't it?

    Maybe he can regale us with heroic tales of daring do fighting the American forces in Iraq.

    (-oops sorry, I meant fighting with the American forces...)
    er ah, well yeah....

    Of course whilst having his epiphany about the WWII deserter...

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  163. BTW Rusty,

    I'm an Air Force fan from way back and
    Curtis LaMay rocked!!

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  164. Rusty your head is up your anus...truman stopped McCarther the second time because he didn't want to fight WW3 over Korea...and he was right...the war was settled with out a full blown war in Asia...

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  165. But since you admit being in Las Vegas and analusless did also..along with Wufuss wanna be somebody's daddy must be either a three person hiding in a vegas room waiting for Jeff Gannon..or the same foole..with three idiot personalities...

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  166. And just look at asia now.

    Maybe it'd be in better shape if we HAD fought WWIII over Korea.

    Maybe if we'd given Chang Kai Shek a little more help fighting the commies as well.

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  167. Like Patton said, the only problem with civilian (read that "liberal") control of the military is that they never let us FINISH a war...

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  168. Anonymous7:23 PM

    Clif you ignorant slut (old SNL stuff), if McArthur and LeMay were allowed to continue there never would have been Viet Nam.

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  169. We could have AVOIDED the entire cold war and brought lasting peace to, and saved the lives of, many millions if Ike had just let Patton take out Russia when he wanted to....

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  170. Anonymous7:26 PM

    Damn Clif,I thought you'd be cutting and pasting a bunch of jibberish about how Israel is wrong in what their doing.You getting a bit lax prince of boredom.

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  171. Genius...too bad the MAJORITY of the Chinese pesents didn't want Chaing.. other wise they would have fought for him instead of against him...but the people whjo live in the country of china in the 40's or Iraq today do not count..just what the repugs here want...right stupid?

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  172. Anonymous7:28 PM

    Why do you think the libs are so charmed with the French?They like the way the operate during a war.

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  173. BTW clif and anony,

    It's MacArthur

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  174. Anonymous7:30 PM

    Clif,too bad the majority of americans dont want you guys,bad for you I guess.

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  175. Well clif, let me splain sumpthin to ya's...

    Peace on OUR terms is called "victory".

    Peace on THEIR terms is called "surrender".

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  176. Wrong anal one because as we were fightiong in Korea...the French were fighting to recapture Indochina...and they lost...but the Dulles brothers wouldn't accept the person who fought the Japanese and beat the french...because they wanted Vietnam for the repugs so the created SEATO and left the mess to future presidents...instead of allowing a free election in 1956...which even Eisenhower said Ho Chi Ming would win...thus we were always fighting against the will of the majority of the vietnamese people ...no wonder we could never win the peace there...we could prevail in every battle...but the vietnamese would not accept defeat...thus they OUTLASTED us...sounds like what the Islamists did to the Soviets in the 80's....

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  177. Well peace on our terms didn't work for Nixon or Ford did it?

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  178. clif said...

    "Genius...too bad the MAJORITY of the Chinese pesents didn't want Chaing"

    So China has a democratically elected government now?

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  179. And Ike knew we didn't have the military assests to succeed where Hitler failed...invading Russia and forcing them to surrender....but it would have plunged the world into a full scale shooting war with Europe already decimated..and most Allies with out the will to fight for many years more to defeat the Russians...Truman set up a much better situation which every president furfilled until Russia collapsed in the early 90's

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  180. Oh and clif?

    They were prepared to accept defeat until they heard about what YOUR guys were doing back here.

    Then they decided to wait it out knowing that you libs would weaken our national resolve...

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  181. No Clif,we lost Viet Nam because of people exactly like you.The american left screamed so loud along with the, at the time, liberal controlled media that we lost our will and left in 75 leaving the South without any promised support causing the deaths of over one million people.Yea you people have really shown you stripes over the years.

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  182. No China does not have a democratically elected government ..but neither did Vietnam in the ^)'s while we fought for their government..the Philipines at the same toime period..Saudi Arabia ever..Iran when we overthrew their elected government in 1954 to install the SHAH..but do forget those facts...

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  183. I have no idea how you lasted in the service.I cant picture you sitting around the officers club talking about running away all the time,I'd think your peers would have thought real highly of you.

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  184. What the hell does that bunch of crap mean? You have a hard time when you cant cut and paste,dont you?

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  185. Rusty Shackelford said...

    No Clif,we lost Viet Nam because of people exactly like you.


    Bullsh*t chicken hawk sissy boy....



    The american left screamed so loud along with the, at the time, liberal controlled media that we lost our will and left in 75


    wrong again son isn't it time to change your depends like ronnie did?


    we negociated to with draw our forces in 1973 which was part of the cease fire... leaving the South without any promised support causing the deaths of over one million people.

    The south was never going to suceed...Instead of reading the stupid b*tch coulter...try reading the pentagons take on the war and possibilities...it is called the pentagon papers...and the military admitted we couldn't win if we could not get the civilian people behind us...which we could not do...FOOLE

    Yea you people have really shown you stripes over the years.

    Yes I am for the truth not made up fiction you call history to feel like a man instead of actually going and doing the fighting yourself...chicken boy

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  186. And yes Clif its going to be people of your ilk who will give up on a war with Islamic fanatics,run away and more then likely cause the deaths of many americans on our own soil.

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  187. But do continue to LIE about facts of history which are easily checked stupid foolish scared little chicken hawk not brave enough to go and fight yourself ....

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  188. Because like cheney and rush and Delay and coulter you are too scared to put yopur but on the line...your pathetic...and a yellow belly coward..and WE both KNOW it..

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  189. So slander me all you want gutless one but you do not have the balls to go your self...and I DID....

    and that burns you real bad...you want to sound soo brave but can't find your courage so you leave the fighting to those people like me who could....chicken one...

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  190. Clif,you were such a hero.You may impress someone like Mike but the rest of us know what you are.You're the kind of soldier fragging was invented for.Your pretend hero crap does'nt fly here.

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  191. "Truman set up a much better situation"

    Yeah, and we watched and did nothing as Russia annexed country after country, many fell under the boot of communism and millions died.

    And don't forget that Germany softened them up GREATLY, in fact they would've lost to the Germans if not for the US involvement.

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  192. GULTESS should be the officiakl motto orf you clowns..and Coulters next book about the gutless repugs who hide so others can fight for them.....little scared fooles...

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  193. 10 years at a supply desk does'nt make you Audie Murphy.

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  194. The only smart thing Truman ever did was drop the big one on Japan.It's no wonder the dems would'nt let him run against Ike.

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  195. Wrong again volt the moron..we didn't even get involved until 1942..and the Russians had stopped the German advance then and were begining to push back remember Stalingrad was 1942

    The Battle of Stalingrad was a turning point in World War II and it is considered the bloodiest battle in human history, with more combined casualties suffered than any battle before or since. The battle was marked by brutality and disregard for military and civilian casualties on both sides. The battle is taken to include the German siege of the southern Russian city of Stalingrad (now Volgograd), the battle inside the city, and the Soviet counter-offensive which eventually trapped and destroyed the German Sixth Army and other Axis forces around the city. Total casualties for both sides are estimated to be over two million. The Axis powers lost large numbers of men and equipment, and they never fully recovered from the defeat. For the Soviets, who also suffered great losses during the battle, the victory at Stalingrad marked the start of the liberation of the Soviet Union and leading to eventual victory over Nazi Germany in 1945.


    Germany Invadedd Russia in 1941 and the Russians stopped them that year and fought back and captured the largest German army evcer captured..when they surrounded them at Stalingrad

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  196. Great example there clif.

    IF Carter had helped prop up a US ALLY, we'd STILL have an a footprint in the region and a lot less terrorism, and a lot more people still alive.

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