Wednesday, June 21, 2006

WAR CRIMES against Pfc KRISTIAN MENCHACA and THOMAS L. TUCKER

Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, left, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Ore.

BAGHDAD, Iraq, June 20 — The American military said today that it had found the remains of what appears to be the two American soldiers captured by insurgents last week in an ambush south of the capital, and a senior Iraqi military official said the two men had been "brutally tortured." General Jassim said, "It was a brutal torture. The torture was something unnatural."

GOD BLESS the families of these precious boys and our troops everywhere. Their GRISLY EXECUTION should be condemed and the terrorists held accountable. But we must realize this could be "payback," partly as a result of our BREAKING THE GENEVA CONVENTION. BUSH declared the Geneva Convention inoperative. "There are no rules in this war," he said, and he has committed war crimes by turning a blind eye to torture. BUSH, RUMSFIELD AND CHENEY HAVE PUT OUR TROOPS IN HARM'S WAY, IN A NO-WIN SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL LIKELY BE TORTURED. I pray this does not continue, but it seems that those who practice "eye-for-an-eye" keep increasing the violence and torture. May our troops rest in peace.

Under Bush, America has lost her moral compass. Bush broke the Monroe Doctrine too. We are not a nation that chooses war. We do not go into countries and invade. Such a shameful time in our history. May love encompass these war-torn families and lift them up so they are comforted through their grief.

How can we have such a primitive president? BUSH IS PLAYING THIS WAR LIKE A VIDEO GAME. He has no heart for people's suffering. If Bush had not been so cavalier about breaking the Geneva Convention, and the war crimes at Haditha and Abu-Grahib, we would probably not be experiencing torture of our own troops.

RUSH LIMBAUGH IS POISONING THE AIRWAVES: He should be ashamed of saying Democrats and Liberals are "enjoying and celebrating our troops being tortured!"

306 comments:

  1. Wow!

    "No right to be on the air."

    I KNEW censorship of ideas you disagree with was on the liberal agenda....

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  2. -uh, "Monroe Doctrine"???

    We didn't get into the middle of a "european" war did we?

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  3. Oh, and Worf?

    Those christians in Germany who supported Hitler?

    They were "resisting not" evil.
    I thought that was a good thing?

    I mean, they had a choice between love and fear, so instead of fearing Hitler they chose to love him.

    Just what you guys wanted...

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  4. Tell me again how the terrorists on 9/11 were all abiding by the Geneva convention?

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  5. On the Monroe Doctrine, maybe what you meant was the part about an attack on the Americas?

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  6. This would ALL be terribly amusing if the lives of Americans were not a stake...

    Instead, it's just simply pathetic.

    If this is the best the liberal intelligensia can do, no wonder you're losing...

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  7. volt the hippocrite said "This would ALL be terribly amusing if the lives of Americans were not a stake...

    Instead, it's just simply pathetic.

    If this is the best the liberal intelligensia can do, no wonder you're losing..."

    seems its pretty amusing to you you pathetic hippocrite since your making jokes about the soldiers dying and saying liberals are glad about it.

    See whats pathetic is you can talk out of one side of your mouth how much you care about the soldiers that doied then make jokes an spew ann coulter BS that liberals are glad about it out of the other side.

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  8. Anonymous8:45 AM

    There is a big difference between hating your own fellow Americans by constantly shouting "Liberals are enjoying the torture of our troops" AND TELLING THE TRUTH. IF NOT FOR BUSH, CHENEY AND RUMSFIELD ALLOWING TORTURE, WE WOULD NOT BE GETTING PAY BACK.

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  9. Tall Texan8:45 AM

    Lydia Cornell wrote: "RUSH LIMBAUGH is obviously a very sick man and has NO RIGHT to be on the airwaves lying and saying that Democrats are enjoying and celebrating the torture of our troops! THIS IS LIKE SHOUTING FIRE IN A CROWDED THEATER. This man should have his license revoked and go to rehab. I am ashamed of our country. The MSM (mainstream media) is truly in trouble."

    Lydia, that's a Nazi tactic. That's thought police. In case you forgot, this is America. By your logic, I could call for you to be banned from the Internet because I disagree with your opinions.

    While we're at it, let's appoint a committee to decide what opinions are acceptable. Maybe we should pull the plug on Air America as well. Muzzle al-Franken. Yeah, Lyd, that's the American Way alright.

    You don't need my help to show how intellectually bankrupt your ideas are.

    Sorry, but that's the most boneheaded thing I've seen on this blog

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  10. Anonymous8:46 AM

    Voltaire and Freedom Fan thank you for that. I always knew you were each other's alter-ego.

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  11. Anonymous8:49 AM

    We must continue to shine a light on hatred as the Christians under Hitler should have done. If only they had protested, spoken out and gathered together to dissent, even in their churches. Once they knew Hitler's un-Christian agenda of bigotry and brainwashing, that all Jews, "swarthy types," gays and handicapped people were to be treated as less than human - THEY SHOULD HAVE SPOKEN OUT, GATHERED TO REBEL. ONE VOICE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

    Here, "liberals" are treated exactly the same when you listen to right-wing radio or read Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity and O'Reilly. WE MUST SPEAK OUT

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  12. Anonymous9:15 AM

    Ms. Cornell, what big boobies you have!!!Those are eye-poppers for damn sure

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  13. What is pathetic was his making a joke of the soldiers that died and trying to infer that liberals were glad they were dead, something his girl Ann Coulter would stoop to.

    although he claims to care about our soldiers so passionately, that one statement shows he is a hippocrite and doesnt give a rats ass about our soldiers, its all about politics and what benefits him and his kind, they would do and say anything if it was to their political advantage, how can some make a joke about someone they really care about being murdered.

    if you notice the Right claims the left has no sense of humor but in truth the left doesnt find jokes about murdered soldiers, talk about poisoning judges or killing liberals funny thats if they really are jokes.

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  14. Well, I guess people that go to Vegas, and listen to filthy and blasphemous comedy material are "enablers to ruining the moral fiber that Jesus stands for...

    Scriptures tell us not to spew that language from our mouths!!

    Mike is a fatass who will suck up to anyone, and can't even defend his girlfriend
    Mike will not defend anyone cause he's cowardly and defends the killing in Iraq, but won't say anything, cause it will piss off Lydia his biggest ass-kisser next to Worf.

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  15. Tall Texan9:27 AM

    Mike, I highly doubt that Rush made the marines who were slain the butt of any joke. Please back your comment up with a transcript that has some context.

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  16. Troll Tex, are you stupid or do you just have a reading comprehension problem, she said he shouldnt be allowed to be on the air spreading lies, claiming liberals are glad soldiers are dead is unsubstantiated facts, that is not credible behavior for a journalist or media personality whatsoever, it is akin to unsubstantiated slander, kinda like me getting on the air and saying Rush is a child molestor and supports kiddie porn with no proof to back it up other than your favorite psychic friends network Troll Tex.

    I dont think the media would support me getting on the air spreading lies that Rush is for kiddie porn and child molestation, why should he be able to spew lies with no facts to support them. theres a big difference between censorship and credible journalism, Howard stern had his show canceled why is rush allowed to spew his crap.....the answer is because the deep pocketed Right Wingnut trash is backing Rush and Coulter.....thats why.

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  17. sorry TT, I was refering to Voltaire in my prior post not rush.

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  18. oh lookie lookie johnny troll boy is posting anonymously now.

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  19. Anonymous9:44 AM

    Even if Rush does speak stupid, he does have the right to say whatever he likes, whether you agree or not.... if you don't like it change the channel

    His show would not be on the air if nobody was watching, and earning him boku $$$$$$$

    Do you really think Rush cares what you "pee"ons think, he's laughing at you clowns all the way to the bank

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  20. Anonymous9:48 AM

    I believe in the Book of Revelation, that teaches the end times, and believe me they are here.
    We all are in for a rough ride in the next few years. When the Battle of Armageddon occurs, it will be the last and worse war ever, following that Jesus Christ will return back to Earth

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  21. thats crap, howard stern had plenty of watches and was making plenty of money, the difference was he didnt have the Reich Wing powers that be backing him, in fact they were against howard, thats why he went to satelite because the "powers that Be" used the FCC as their attack dog to silence him, how come you defenders of free speech dont have a problem with that???

    I mean if Howard is imorral and doesnt deserve to be on TV neither does Rush, and howard at least tells the truth, thats part of what got him in trouble with the right wingnut mafia.

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  22. Anonymous9:51 AM

    Times are bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Get those howdy doody seat belts ready....we all in for a hoo-daddy of a rough ride

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  23. Anonymous9:55 AM

    I agree Howard Stern has the same right as Rush to speak whatever he likes...The Bible teaches don't associate with negative people...again turn the channel

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  24. Anonymous9:59 AM

    Howard Stern should speak his mind to whatever he believes, but I do believe that certain words, such as the F-word and sexual banter are not deemed appropriate for the airwaves

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  25. Anonymous10:01 AM

    There is always the chance that children might tune into these infernal nefarious programs.

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  26. Anonymous10:02 AM

    The internet should also be censored for porn and profanity and blasphemy of any religon!

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  27. Its seems we both agree on freedom of speech for everyone,, where we differ is on which we feel are worse, I feel lies and hatespeak is much worse for impressionable children than sexual banter or swearwords.

    Sex is a normal part of life, trying to surpress it only causes problems, look at all the pedophile priests for example. as for swearing, any 6 grader can hear the same type of language Stern uses in gym class or on the playground, you live a pretty isolated life if you feel differently.

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  28. if we censored the Internet for blasphemy of religion the repugs/Religious Reich would have been censored a LONNNNGGG time ago, because they have twisted it beyond recognition.

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  29. but its kinda funny anon, you say you are not for censorship.........as long as its not something you disagree with.

    So I guess when I repug says "I am against censorship and believe in freedom of speech"......They really mean Free speech is fine if it agrees with my views otherwise the person should be censored.

    HMMMMMMMM?????so I guess only you guys are wise enough to decide whats moral and acceptable to say or view and what isnt, my fascist friend.

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  30. Anonymous10:21 AM

    Agreed, but to have complete freedom of speech, that would have to mean, that on network TV anything and everything can be shown or heard.

    Remember porn is of Satan not God
    Sex is between a HUSBAND and WIFE.
    Of course is sex is natural and should be freely expressed in the marriage. Porn will do nothing more than having men rape women

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  31. Tall Texan10:22 AM

    Mike writes: "but its kinda funny anon, you say you are not for censorship... ......as long as its not something you disagree with."

    Isnt that what Lydia said it her opening comment? Do you take issue with her as well?

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  32. Anonymous10:24 AM

    Scripture teaches, that fornication adultery sodomites the effeminate and all liars that none will possess the Kingdom of God

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  33. Anonymous10:24 AM

    Mike , these are not my rules for you to follow, they are of the Man Upstairs

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  34. Anonymous10:31 AM

    Priests are bastards that molest children, they should be strung up by the balls.Pope John Paul looked the other way at what should have been excommunication, and then imprisionment

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  35. LYDIA ACCURATELY SAID:

    THEIR GRISLY EXECUTION IS partly a result OF BREAKING THE GENEVA CONVENTION. BUSH declared the Geneva Convention inoperative. "There are no rules in this war," he said, and he has committed war crimes by turning a blind eye to torture. BUSH, RUMSFIELD AND CHENEY HAVE PUT OUR TROOPS IN HARM'S WAY, IN A NO-WIN SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL LIKELY BE TORTURED

    This isn't rocket science fellas.

    Jesus told you 2000 years ago, do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

    The Iraqis have been unusually kind in most early capturings of US troops. Just ask Jessica Lynch, who credits the Iraqi's with saving her leg, and her life.

    The Iraqi's did not abuse the prisioners they captured.

    Then, we started torturing them, murdering them, humiliating them.

    What did you dimwits think was going to happen?

    Oh yea, you thought they'd throw flowers.

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  36. Anonymous10:34 AM

    Lydia is fine, but she is a "Vegasite"...she has a hot body, and knows how to show it off.
    I would love to see her naked on the Vegas stage

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  37. Lydia said it right.

    If we hadn't lowered the bar of humanity first, then neither would they.

    I am just trying to figure out how mule stupid Voltaire, FF and the rest of the reichstag gang has to be to not understand this.

    Oh well.

    We'll just leave it at "universally stupid".

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  38. And its nice to see since Johnny was exposed as the troll he is last night, he is now back, under the handle of just "John", and "anonymous".

    Like I said Johnnytroll.

    You're not just a troll, but a lying coward too.

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  39. As for the censorship of that fat smelly windbag Rash Limburger, I must respectfully disagree with Lydia.

    I am 1000 percent against censorship in any form.

    Let the windbag spew.

    After all.

    Its how we will seperate the "wheat from the chaff".

    Everytime he opens that big fat hole in his face, he digs the pit of right wing hell just a little deeper.

    And those who support him, or enjoy listening to him and agree with his vocal vomit?

    They're the chaff.

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  40. Troll Tex said "Mike writes: "but its kinda funny anon, you say you are not for censorship... ......as long as its not something you disagree with."

    Isnt that what Lydia said it her opening comment? Do you take issue with her as well? "

    transparent as ever Tex, how did I know you were trying to bait a trap for me regarding that. Now heres my answer, Lydia never said she wanted to censor Rush's freedom of speech or to express his opinion, I believe she was saying that journalists and/or members of the media should not be able to use their position to spread lies and unsubstantiated facts, see because of their ability to reach a large audience they should not be able to spread lies to influence and deceive the masses, after all isnt that what you had a problem with Lyd doing with Rummy when you made the Psychic Friends Network analogy. see if he took a portion of his show and said this is my opinion on this topic, that would be different, but he trys to pass of what he says as credible news and journalism when they atr lies and he doesnt have one shred of evidence to back it up, and he shouldnt have a bully pulpit to spread lies and BS.

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  41. Of course they want to talk about Rush, because it drives them crazy that Lydia hit the nail right on the head with regards to the removal of the Geneva convention by Bush and Cheney and Rummy, so they could torture human beings, and its impact on what is happening to our troops now, and will continue to happen to them unless we close our dark, sinister concentration Kamps and gulags, stop torturing human beings for our cowardice, and begin acting like AMERICANS again.

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  42. Just who the hell do you think lowered that bar first Worf?

    Did the students in Iran go by the Geneva convention when they held our people hostage?

    Was that by the Geneva convention when they bombed our marines in lebanon?

    Oh, I know, it was when they bombed the Cole...uh, no, that wasn't it either...

    Maybe 9/11?...no...

    Hell worf, when was it again they were going by the Geneva convention?

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  43. Worf I dont think Lydia was saying to censor Rush, I think the point she was trying to make is that like Coulter he shouldnt be able to use his position as a supposed credible media person who can get his message across to a wide audience to spread lies and unsubstantianted facts, if he wanted to devote a portion of his show to his opinion and made that clear to his views that would be ok, but he is hiding behind credibility to deceice people and spread lies with out a shred of evidence.

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  44. And little Mikey,

    Maybe we think you enjoy it when our troops die because your buddy worf is always posting negative stories about our troops and calling them "fucking Nazi's". And you always post "me too".

    So who's making them a joke?
    YOU GUYS ARE!

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  45. Dolt said...
    Just who the hell do you think lowered that bar first Worf?

    Did the students in Iran go by the Geneva convention when they held our people hostage?

    Was that by the Geneva convention when they bombed our marines in lebanon?

    Oh, I know, it was when they bombed the Cole...uh, no, that wasn't it either...

    Maybe 9/11?...no...


    Hmmmm....

    Lemme see.

    Students in Iran.

    Lebanon

    US Cole bombing...

    911.....hmmmm


    Now what is it again you geniuses think these 3 events have to do with Iraq and the Iraqi people?

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  46. Oh yea.

    They're all Arabs.


    They're all Ragheads.

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  47. Voltaire said...
    And little Mikey,

    Maybe we think you enjoy it when our troops die because your buddy worf is always posting negative stories about our troops and calling them "fucking Nazi's".


    Actually, I think its big Mike.

    And no one in here EVER called our troops Nazi's you lying sack of shit.

    We just called YOU Nazi's.

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  48. Volt said "Maybe we think you enjoy it when our troops die because your buddy worf is always posting negative stories about our troops and calling them "fucking Nazi's". And you always post "me too"."


    No fool, he's calling you and your kind Nazi's and your damn right i'm saying me too because you guys are nazis.

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  49. I agree with what you said Mike, but there is no practicle application, without censorship.

    We can boycott his show as a group, speak out against it, etc.

    But there is no way to silence him, without censoring his right to free speech, and his followers right to hear that free speech. He's a private citizen, not an elected official, and his words represent his own sick twisted pigs brain.

    Remember, in America, we don't have to like what you have to say, but we have to believe you have a right to say it.

    No matter how ugly. No matter how heinious. No matter how untrue.

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  50. Besides.

    Rush is one of the BEST recruiters to the liberal cause we've got.

    He's much more of a liability to the right, then a asset.

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  51. See genius, until your kind came to power, we were considered better than that, just as humans evolved and became civilized and are better than mere animals, but you want to bring us back to being barbarians and animals and want us to roll around in the dirt, muck and slime with the very people you despise, you have no solutions just perpetual war and death.

    your kind has no ideas or solutions thats why you choose to avoid debate at all costs with your insults, namecalling and subterfuge instead of debating us or putting forth your own ideas or solutions, you attempt to twist our words and arguments into the absurd by implying things WE NEVER SAID, which just shows how weak and hollow your arguments really are, you and your kind are a disgrace Voltaire.

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  52. Back to the Nazi issue rasied by Doltaire, I've worked in DOD offices Mike, and I can tell you that a lot of the people making the decisions, are motivated by a group Nazi mentality.

    These people, when the cameras are not rolling, when we're "alone" so to speak, talk of murder, rape, mass extermination, and every unspeakable act you can imagine, that they'd like to impart to the Arab nations.

    They talk about "rounding them all up and shooting them", they talk about torture, they talk about bashing the kids heads in with rifle buts to "save the bullets" and keep them from growing up to be terrorists.

    And they talk about it with glee.

    These are the Pigs who support the Pigs. And you'd be surprised how rampant it is in the DC Metropolitan region.

    Northern Virginia has got more Nazi's wearing pocket protectors instead of armbands, as any place in the country.

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  53. I see your point Worf and I am strongly against censorship, but didnt Dan Rather get in trouble for spewing unsubstantiated facts about Bush, if he is a media person and didnt get away with it why should Rush, if Rush said in my opinion the widows of 9/11 were glad their husbands were dead, or that certain liberals were glad that soldiers were dead, that would be ok, dispicable but because of his freedom of speech ok, but if he tries to pass it off as fact and not opinion to me that is different.

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  54. Worf said "and I can tell you that a lot of the people making the decisions, are motivated by a group Nazi mentality.

    These people, when the cameras are not rolling, when we're "alone" so to speak, talk of murder, rape, mass extermination, and every unspeakable act you can imagine, that they'd like to impart to the Arab nations.

    They talk about "rounding them all up and shooting them", they talk about torture, they talk about bashing the kids heads in with rifle buts to "save the bullets" and keep them from growing up to be terrorists.

    And they talk about it with glee."

    Unfortunately that doesnt surprise me much at all.

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  55. Amen, Lydia.

    The right wing is more outraged over liberal blaming Bush for this, when they thoroughly ignore the fact that chickens come home to roost.

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  56. Voltaire said...
    Tell me again how the terrorists on 9/11 were all abiding by the Geneva convention?


    I rest my case.

    Voltasshole....do two wrongs make a right, or are you that stupid?

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  57. Voltaire said...

    Was that by the Geneva convention when they bombed our marines in lebanon?


    What? You mean the one Reagan cut-and-ran from?

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  58. Mike said;

    didnt Dan Rather get in trouble for spewing unsubstantiated facts about Bush, if he is a media person and didnt get away with it why should Rush,

    Excellent point, and in truth, one I had not considered.

    I am not sure how his station classifies his hour of hot air.

    Whether its considered a news show, or whether its considered a "talk show".

    If its a "talk show" then he can say pretty much what he wants within FCC guidelines.

    But news shows have a higher benchmark, so you make a valid point.

    I shall have to contemplate this one.

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  59. He's comparing Apples to Automobiles Carl.

    As anyone not brainwashed by the Reichstag boyz, is well aware of the CLEAR AND IRREFUTABLE fact, that Iraq was no where near ANY of those events, and has absolutely ZERO ROLE in them.

    What our bovine friend was really saying there, is he is a incurable racist, who sees one Arab as ALL Arabs.

    They all wear turbans.


    Kill em all is his motto.

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  60. And you know what.

    I think Mike was right.

    They're not just stupid.

    They're apparently twisted with Evil too.

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  61. Tall Texan12:10 PM

    Mike writes: "Lydia never said she wanted to censor Rush's freedom of speech or to express his opinion."

    She did advocate revoking his license to broadcast.

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  62. And I disagree with that.

    But I understand why she wants to do it.

    But I like you, believe that whether I like what you're saying or not, you have a right to say it.

    Lydia believes that too, I know she does. And although I would not presume to speak for her, I don't really think she wants to silence Rush, just hold him ACCOUNTABLE for his treason against humanity.

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  63. Evil is exactly what I see, Hitler exterminated tens of millions, voltaire is more ambitious, he wants to exterminate close to 2 billion, there's not much difference both Bush and Hitler are after world domination and are willing to do almost anything to achieve that ultimate power.

    see the hardest thing for people to do is to objectively look inward at their country, their body, a loved one etc.. and see a cancerous tumor growing, no one wants to face that, thats why the defense mechanisms kick in and people refuse to see the truth. No one wants to look in the mirror and see a monster looking back so instead we delude ourselves and we tell ourselves sure we circumvented the Geneva Convention, but we did it for own own good to protect us, and sure we are massacreing and torturing civilians but thats just collateral damage for the greater good because muslims are evil.....course I bet Hitler said the same things about the jews years before and during the Holocaust.

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  64. He is a big fat greasy pig.

    He is Hermann Goering incarnate.

    He is a liar and a traitor.

    A coward and a hippocrite.

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  65. Tall Texan said...
    Mike writes: "Lydia never said she wanted to censor Rush's freedom of speech or to express his opinion."

    "She did advocate revoking his license to broadcast."

    from me:
    Yes, and that's my opinion. Rush provokes hatred and is an absolute liar. He is inciting people to hate each other within our own country, on the national airwaves.

    And he's lying. He inflames passions and people take him seriously.

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  66. Mike said;


    see the hardest thing for people to do is to objectively look inward at their country,


    Thats the crux of the entire war against liberals in this country.

    They can't stand self examination, probably cause the truth hurts so much.

    They think we are condemning America, but what we are doing is trying to heal America.

    Thats why guys like Johnny and Dolt see little or no responsibility for the German people in permitting the rise of Hitler.

    They believe in "blind loyalty" and following their leaders without question.

    Which is why they are EXACTLY like the Nazi's.

    Exactly.

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  67. she condemned his ability to spread lies and poison TT just like she did Coulter's like I said before if Dan Rather cant spread unsubstantiated facts without evidence to support it why should Rush or Coulter. See if they said this is my opinion that would be different but they use their position as a credible media people and sources of information that the masses believe and take as a credible source of information to deceive people and spread lies thats what Lydia as condemning........after all TT you condemed Lydia for saying something with out facts to support it, howcome your not condeming Rush or Coulter, howcome its only free speech when you clowns do it hippocriteical Texan?????

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  68. Tall Texan12:29 PM

    "Lydia Cornell said...
    Tall Texan said...
    Mike writes: "Lydia never said she wanted to censor Rush's freedom of speech or to express his opinion."

    "She did advocate revoking his license to broadcast."

    from me:
    Yes, and that's my opinion. Rush provokes hatred and is an absolute liar. He is inciting people to hate each other within our own country, on the national airwaves.

    And he's lying. He inflames passions and people take him seriously.

    12:24 PM"

    Revoking his license to broadcast would be akin to censorship, right Lydia? That is, in fact, what you are calling for, no?

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  69. Lydia, I agree with you 100% that he spreads poison and lies, but I dont think censorship is ever the answer, I think they need make it clear that what is said on the show is rush's opinion and it is not a credible source of information or truth, I also thinl that if it is merely opinion and not fact then it should not be on during the day or during prime time when impressionable children can hear the lies and be taken in and deceived.

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  70. Tall Texan12:38 PM

    Mike, I haven't heard anyone in a long, long time suggest that the government silence someone (by revoking their broadcast license) based solely on their opinions...until what Lydia wrote today.

    Talk about the Psychic Friends Network, Worf has now stooped to reading Lydia's mind to explan what she actually meant. Totally pathetic.

    Ann Coulter, to my knowledge, hasn't ever called for the government suppression of speech of the "Jersey Girls." She took issue with the manor in which they presented their opinions, but she never called for the government to come in and censor them. Big difference.

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  71. come on Troll Texan i'm waiting, how come you jumped all over Lydia for stating her opinion without facts to back it up, but you have no problemwith Coulter or Rush doing the same thing???

    In fact for them its ten times worse because they have a large auduence following them.

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  72. Tall Texan12:48 PM

    Mike writes: "I also think that if it is merely opinion and not fact then it should not be on during the day or during prime."

    So, Mike, to be fair, we should also relegate Air America, al-Franken, and Randi Rhodes to overnight hours since their programs are as much about Liberal opinions as Rush's program is about Conservative opinions? Is that what you really want the government to do to free speech?

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  73. Coulter claimed they were "GLAD" their husbands were dead with no facts or evidence to support that claim whatsoever, you never seem to want to address this issue Troll Texan, so I have to ask do you have no rebuttal for this and that is why you dodge it or are you just too stupid to see this is the question i've been asking you for 2 weeks, I NEVER said she tried to silence them you implied I said that because you had no logical answer to my quesion other than to say you dont support Coulter or Rush doing the same thing you accused Lydia of.

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  74. yeah run and hide troll tex, you git busted and dont have an answer for this one so its time to leave with your tail between your legs.

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  75. Tall Texan1:15 PM

    Mike, as you put it, I "jumped all over Lydia" for her groundless assertions of fact. I never called for the government to censor Lydia even though she advocates the government censoring Rush Lumbaugh. Big difference.

    By the same token, Ann Coulter shouldn't be making groundless assertions of facts either, and even if she is, I would not call upon the government to silence her eben though Lydia is calling on the government to silence Rush.

    I'm not giving her Coulter a free pass, but I've read so many versions of what Coulter said, I really don't know what her exact words were. If she made a groundless assertion of fact, I would say she was irresponsible and call her on it just as I did with Lydia. I am being totally consistent.

    Lydia is being TOTALLY inconsistent. She is calling on the government to silence Rush.

    Now, I've answered your question, but you haven't answered mine: should Air America be on at only the same times as Rush Limbaugh?

    Lydia, isn't it pathetic that the very force of your and other Liberals' ideas need the government to silence the opposition. And you call Republicans Nazis?

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  76. Tall Texan1:15 PM

    Mike, as you put it, I "jumped all over Lydia" for her groundless assertions of fact. I never called for the government to censor Lydia even though she advocates the government censoring Rush Lumbaugh. Big difference.

    By the same token, Ann Coulter shouldn't be making groundless assertions of facts either, and even if she is, I would not call upon the government to silence her eben though Lydia is calling on the government to silence Rush.

    I'm not giving her Coulter a free pass, but I've read so many versions of what Coulter said, I really don't know what her exact words were. If she made a groundless assertion of fact, I would say she was irresponsible and call her on it just as I did with Lydia. I am being totally consistent.

    Lydia is being TOTALLY inconsistent. She is calling on the government to silence Rush.

    Now, I've answered your question, but you haven't answered mine: should Air America be on at only the same times as Rush Limbaugh?

    Lydia, isn't it pathetic that the very force of your and other Liberals' ideas need the government to silence the opposition. And you call Republicans Nazis?

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  77. TALL TEXAN -- Anne Coulter called to REVOKE THE FREE SPEECH OF DEMOCRATS, specifically at a speech she gave, which is the subject of my article on her "Death is Sexier than Sex."

    Coulter also called to revoke the right of women to vote, saying they are dumb.

    I was using hyperbole in my statement about Rush. But in my opinion, if Rush spreads hatred he should be fined, and if he's stoned on the air, and is an unrecovered alcoholic, I wish there was a disclaimer before each show saying "this man is not of sound mind." That would help. But my cousins in Texas believe everything Fox and Rush say -- because it has the "authority of news network" and it sounds so official. They can't tell the difference, and only hear what they can tune into.

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  78. There is only one Progressive radio station in America, there are over 650 stations owned by Clear Channel, which will not allow our opinions to be aired.

    I find that censorship of the worst kind, and all because monopolies were allowed to proliferate, which in itself creates unfairness and is un-American.

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  79. Tall Texan1:25 PM

    Lydia wrote: "if he's stoned on the air, and is an unrecovered alcoholic, I wish there was a disclaimer before each show saying 'this man is not of sound mind.'"

    Lydia, are you fully recovered? If not, perhaps this Blog needs a similar disclaimer.

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  80. Tt said "Now, I've answered your question, but you haven't answered mine: should Air America be on at only the same times as Rush Limbaugh?"

    Yes

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  81. Tall Texan1:31 PM

    " Mike said...
    Tt said "Now, I've answered your question, but you haven't answered mine: should Air America be on at only the same times as Rush Limbaugh?"

    Yes

    1:28 PM"

    So, you Liberals are all for free speech -- except for talk radio? How pathetic is that?

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  82. Lydia said "There is only one Progressive radio station in America, there are over 650 stations owned by Clear Channel, which will not allow our opinions to be aired.

    I find that censorship of the worst kind, and all because monopolies were allowed to proliferate, which in itself creates unfairness and is un-American."

    Excellent post, I was going to post about the Right Wing FCC allowing allowing media monopolies to be constructed that stifle free speech and access to unbiased information but you beat me to the punch. I was also going to use Clear Channel in my example.

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  83. Tall Texan1:34 PM

    Newsflash to Mike and Lydia: these companies are interested in one thing: money.

    Liberal talk radio isn't getting done. Wonder why.

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  84. Tall Texan: yes, I got sober on Sept. 11, 1994 and found my younger brother's body a year later. 11 years sober emotionally, spiritually and physically. The key lesson of sobriety for everyone is humility, which is a wonderful quality in a public servant.

    The most wonderful view of life opened up, once the anesthesia lifted and I was able to have compassion for others.

    I've been able to get through many tragedies staying sober, by being of love and service to others. It's a God-centered way of life.

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  85. lydia said That would help. But my cousins in Texas believe everything Fox and Rush say -- because it has the "authority of news network" and it sounds so official. They can't tell the difference, and only hear what they can tune"

    Exactly, rush shouldnt be able to use his show as a political vehicle to deceive and sway people politically with lies and unsubstantiated facts, if he is not a credible,truthful, fair and balance source of information, then that should be clearly stated throughout the show and he should not be given the same credence and airtime as a mainstreme journalist or media personality who reports the truth with facts to back it up and no political agenda.

    he has every right to speak his mind and state his opinion, but if he is trying to fool people and portray his opinion as fact, then there is a bigtime problem with that.

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  86. Tall Texan1:40 PM

    Lydia, I am genuinely happy that you are sober, and I trust you on that, even though I've never met you.

    Do you trust Rush when he says that he's been sober for three years, even though you've never met him?

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  87. Now Lydia if your saying that rush shouldnt be able to use his show to deceive and sway people politically by masquerading his lies and unsubstantiated facts as the truth, then I agree completely with you, but Censorship is a double edged sword and is never the answer, like I told British Gary, what happens if the bad guys seize control of censoring things and they censor out every point of view but their own, that can make it easier for them to seize power.

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  88. but I agree completely with your point that the FCC and the SEC really punted the football by allowing all the consolidation in the media and the media empires that were created as a result reflects what the owner of these empires wants them to reflect. instead of fair and balanced information.

    I feel we have lost or objectivity and perspective with all these mass mergers in the media and many voices have been silenced as a result.

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  89. Tt said "By the same token, Ann Coulter shouldn't be making groundless assertions of facts either, and even if she is, I would not call upon the government to silence her eben though Lydia is calling on the government to silence Rush.

    answer me this TT how come no one is allowed to come on the air and rebutt Coulter or Limbaghs lies, if you are for free speech why isnt the other side allowed to debunk their lies and unsubstantiated facts, no one was allowed to come on with coulter and respond to her rhetoric and on rush's show he hangs up on or talks over anyone he doesnt agree with.

    This makes it obvious that these people are being bankrolled by the "big money" right wing "powers that be" to deceive people and sway public opinion, and that shouldnt ne allowed, the opposition should not be silence if you are advocating free speech.

    I remember when Lydia called in on al Rantell's show he hung up on her, do you support this one sided freedom of speech TT?????????????????????

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  90. Tall Texan2:06 PM

    Ann Coulter has been strongly challenged on every show she's been on.

    If you host a radio show, you have no obligation to be neutral. Franken puts out his opinion and Rush does the same, although Rush takes quite a few Liberal callers and spends more time with them than I would have expected. Not all radio shows do this, but some elect to.

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  92. See Tt the difference is Franken is "PERCEIVED" as a political comedian, while Coulter and Rush are perceived for as intellectuals and pundits and people see them as credible sources of information, when in reality they are no more credible than Al Franken and in my opinion far less.

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  93. TT said "Ann Coulter has been strongly challenged on every show she's been on."

    I disagree, the hosts asked her a few qestions to mostly softballs to keep the show somewhat fair and balanced, but no one else came out to challenge her and question her claims or facts or actually lack of facts.

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  94. Well, as a french (those of the french fries) i see that there is a real exchange of ideas among american people and for me it is the real life of this nice country.I was really happy to read that and to read the "no-yes" comments.
    Voltaire is a well known french philosopher wich was against violence, just remenber it ;-))

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  95. TT asks:
    Do you trust Rush when he says that he's been sober for three years, even though you've never met him?

    Limbaugh arrested on prescription drug charges
    Friday, April 28, 2006; Posted: 6:30 p.m. EDT (22:30 GMT)
    Rush Limbaugh was arrested Friday on prescription drug charges, law enforcement officials said.
    Limbaugh turned himself in to authorities on a warrant issued by the state attorney's office, said agency spokeswoman Teri Barbera.
    The conservative radio commentator came into the jail at about 4 p.m. with his attorney Roy Black and was released an hour later on $3,000 bail, Barbera said. The warrant was for fraud to conceal information to obtain prescription, Barbera said.
    Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

    On one hand I feel bad for him, clearly he has chemical dependency issues. On the other hand, given his big, obnoxious approach, it serves him.
    It's tough being perfect, hey Rush?

    Rush Limbaugh tells us he is the "great truth detector". Rush also claims to be an example of patriotism who exhibits a high degree of moral behavior. Thing of it is, Rush Limbaugh evaded serving his country and has no use for truth.

    Rush Limbaugh has nothing to do with truth and moralism, nor is he an example of patriotic behavior. Rush Limbaugh is self-serving demagogue who will say anything to enrich himself. If Rush's fans applied even a modicum of objective reason, they would realize Limbaugh is duping them for great personal gain.

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  96. good LYdia, am glad you left the part about Rush on the blog,I dont support censorship, but I think we need to call him out on his stupid lies that liberals are glad the troops are dead, thats something a pathetic lying shell of a man would say, and he shouldnt be allowed to get away with spewing lies and BS like that with no facts to back them up.

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  97. Zebigleb - Great photos on your blog,
    Thank you
    xo,
    Lydia

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  98. Yes. Very cool site Zebigleb.

    Great pics.

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  99. Meanwhile Bush is appointing his right wing supporters to run PBS, to cut down on the negative stories about him and Cheney.

    He just appointed right wing neocon Warren Bell to the PBS board of directors?

    Why Bell you ask?

    I imagine Goebell's wasn't available.

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  100. Meanwhile, back at the ranch.....

    A reality check on our spreading of Democracy in Iraq, courtesy of the United States Marine Corps.

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  101. Marines announce murder, other charges

    ROBERT BURNS
    AP Military Writer
    43 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON

    Seven Marines and a sailor have been charged with murder in the April death of an Iraqi civilian, the Marine Corps said Wednesday.

    All eight also were charged with kidnapping, according to a Marine statement issued at Camp Pendleton, Calif. Other charges include conspiracy, larceny and providing false official statements.

    Separately, the U.S. military in Iraq announced that murder charges were filed against a fourth Army soldier in the shooting deaths May 9 of three civilians who had been detained by U.S. troops. Spc. Juston R. Graber, 20, of the 101st Airborne Division was charged with one count of premeditated murder, one count of attempted premeditated murder, one count of conspiracy to commit murder, and making a false official statement.

    On Monday the military had announced that three soldiers of the 101st Airborne Division were charged with murder and other offenses in connection with the May 9 killings. It was not clear why charges against the fourth soldier were not announced until Wednesday

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  102. See what happens when you lower the standards which our fathers held themselves too?

    Perhaps the wisdom of our fathers is lost on this generation, as is the wisdom of George Bush Sr is so clearly lost on his little brute of a son, Dubya Bush.

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  103. Lydia said;

    But we must realize this could be "payback," partly as a result of our BREAKING THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

    BUSH declared the Geneva Convention inoperative.

    "There are no rules in this war," he said, and he has committed war crimes by turning a blind eye to torture. BUSH, RUMSFIELD AND CHENEY HAVE PUT OUR TROOPS IN HARM'S WAY, IN A NO-WIN SITUATION WHERE THEY WILL LIKELY BE TORTURED

    This paragraph is why TT jumped all over the Rash Limburger item.

    Because God knows theres NOTHING he, or anyone can say to refute this.

    This is FACT.

    If we hadn't started acting like a bunch of barbaric pigs, then maybe they'd still be treating our soldiers like "guests", like the Hero the right wing set up for us to worship, Jessica Lynch said they treated her.

    Like Jesus told you clowns 2000 years ago.

    Do unto others....

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  104. June 21, 2006:

    The new death toll for US soldiers in Iraq now stands at 2506 that are being reported.

    Is Bush troubled at this growing and alarming death toll?

    As the death toll reached 2500 the official statement was " Its Only A Number".

    It is easy to assume the 2506 death toll will be proudly pronounced by the Bush spokesman as " Its Only A Number".

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  105. What they meant was the soldiers are just numbers.

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  106. Anonymous3:29 PM

    Is the blog down?

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  107. It was. One of our right wing hackers threw a tantrum again.

    Its back now.

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  108. Wonder why on the day that 2 US soldiers were mutilated in Iraq, that Bush decides to give his little speeches on an attack on Democrats.

    Does he think the public is so in awe every time he speaks that we will ignore US soldiers mutilation?

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  109. Mikes right. Theres just something "wrong" with these people.

    Its not that they're all dumb (well ok, dubya's dumb as dirt), its that they're just something "missing".

    Its like a some light just went off in their heads, and they forgot what it means to be a good person, a decent person.

    I was a big fan of WW1 Air Combat when I was a youngster. And I always admired the chivalry that often took place in the skys over France, as pilots would salute one another and fly off, if one's guns jammed, or if one had engine trouble.

    They even used to call each other across the lines and let them know that a pilot who went down was ok, and doing well, back at the hotel, eating and drinking with his enemies.

    Now, we brainwash our all of our soldiers to "dehumanize" the enemy before we even send them in to fire the first shot.

    And this is a recipe for a moral and ethical disaster.

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  110. Lydia,

    I'm dissappointed in you.

    You know very well Rush announced his dependency on prescription painkillers for his back 3 years ago on his radio show and went to rehab.

    He's been under INVESTIGATION for 3 years, and he was only CHARGED in 2006 after dropping his legal challenges and turned himself in.

    And furthermore for the rest of you commie clowns, Rushes show is an OPINION show. Dan Rather was supposed to be honestly and fairly informing America. (you know, 5th estate stuff, 4th amendment - any of this ring a bell?)

    Oh, and by the way Lyd? Your cousins in Texas seem to have it all together.

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  111. Worf:

    The policy you just described sadly, is a byproduct of the same administration that sent them there in the first place.

    Our government leaders have dehumanized everything they do from foreign policy to the economy.

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  112. -scuse me, 1st amendment....eom

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  113. Oh and Carl?

    Peace ain't happening yet dude,
    masturbate faster.

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  114. You been putting in some overtime lately volt, you wanna buy a new car or is it a big summer vacation your saving for????

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  115. Hey Dolt.

    I think I made it clear how I feel about censorship. I only have your word at this point as to the classification of his show, and although your credibility is shit, I will take your word for it with regards to it being an opinion show, whatever the hell that is.

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  116. After all, you know what they say about opinions.

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  117. Cause he certainly is one.

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  118. Dolt said

    And furthermore for the rest of you commie clowns

    As opposed to you Nazi clowns?

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  119. Just remember Dolt.

    The Commies BEAT the Nazi's.

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  120. The 14 characteristics of Fascism are:
    1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
    Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
    2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
    Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
    3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause-
    The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
    4. Supremacy of the Military
    Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda i s neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
    5. Rampant Sexism
    The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
    6. Controlled Mass Media
    Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
    7. Obsession with National Security
    Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
    8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
    Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
    9. Corporate Power is Protected
    The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
    10. Labor Power is Suppressed
    Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
    11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
    Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
    12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
    Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
    13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
    Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
    14. Fraudulent Elections
    Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
    Any of this sound familiar?

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  121. What’s coming
    When all fascisms exhibit the same social and political agendas (the 14 points listed by Britt), then it is not hard to predict where a new fascist uprising will lead. And it is not hard. The actions of fascists and the social and political effects of fascism and fundamentalism are clear and sobering. Here is some of whats coming, what will be happening in our country in the next few years:
    The theft of all social security funds, to be transferred to those who control money, and the increasing destitution of all those dependent on social security and social welfare programs.
    Rising numbers of uninsured people in this country that already has the highest percentage of citizens without health insurance in the developed world.
    Increased loss of funding for public education combined with increased support for vouchers, urging Americans to entrust their children’s education to Christian schools.
    More restrictions on civil liberties as America is turned into the police state necessary for fascism to work
    Withdrawal of virtually all funding for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System. At their best, these media sometimes encourage critical questioning, so they are correctly seen as enemies of the state’s official stories.
    The reinstatement of a draft, from which the children of privileged parents will again be mostly exempt, leaving our poorest children to fight and die in wars of imperialism and greed that could never benefit them anyway. (That was my one-sentence Veterans’ Day sermon for this year.)
    More imperialistic invasions: of Iran and others, and the construction of a huge permanent embassy in Iraq.
    More restrictions on speech, under the flag of national security.
    Control of the internet to remove or cripple it as an instrument of free communication that is exempt from government control. This will be presented as a necessary anti-terrorist measure.
    Efforts to remove the tax-exempt status of churches like this one, and to characterize them as anti-American.
    Tighter control of the editorial bias of almost all media, and demonization of the few media they are unable to control – the New York Times, for instance.
    Continued outsourcing of jobs, including more white-collar jobs, to produce greater profits for those who control the money and direct the society, while simultaneously reducing America’s workers to a more desperate and powerless status.
    Moves in the banking industry to make it impossible for an increasing number of Americans to own their homes. As they did in the 1930s, those who control the money know that it is to their advantage and profit to keep others renting rather than owning.
    Criminalization of those who protest, as un-American, with arrests, detentions and harassment increasing. We already have a higher percentage of our citizens in prison than any other country in the world. That percentage will increase.
    In the near future, it will be illegal or at least dangerous to say the things I have said here this morning. In the fascist story, these things are un-American. In the real history of a democratic America, they were seen as profoundly patriotic, as the kind of critical questions that kept the American spirit alive — the kind of questions, incidentally, that our media were supposed to be pressing.

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  122. Worf said"Meanwhile Bush is appointing his right wing supporters to run PBS, to cut down on the negative stories about him and Cheney.

    He just appointed right wing neocon Warren Bell to the PBS board of directors?

    Why Bell you ask?

    I imagine Goebell's wasn't available."

    Worf since you and Lydia both raised this point today look at point number 5 in the effects of fascism I just posted. (also below)


    5)Withdrawal of virtually all funding for National Public Radio and the Public Broadcasting System. At their best, these media sometimes encourage critical questioning, so they are correctly seen as enemies of the state’s official stories.

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  123. Yea I was reading that Mike.

    Where'd you get those?

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  124. liberalslikechrist.org

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  125. Anonymous5:34 PM

    Mr. Powers will not go gentle into that goodnight, rage! rage against the dying of the light.

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  126. kinda scary how many of those are right on, isnt it???

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  127. Oh that's no loser. Thats our buddy Johnny.

    I recognize the gleefully satirical tonality.

    Not to mention the dopeyness.

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  128. He does this everytime he gets exposed.

    And he is right.

    He will not go quietly.

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  129. of course it is, he's been posting anonymously for a long time.

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  130. i've had proof but i've kept quiet.

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  131. I knew you did.

    He\She\it thinks its funny.

    Its just sad.

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  132. in fact I think I might even know who he really is, I told clif When I met him.

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  133. see i've thought johnny was anonymous for a LONNNNGGG time.

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  134. same stupid repetitive 6th grade insults, name calling and stupid banter, rarely saying anything intelligent.

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  135. Now you know why I've always demonstrated nothing but disdain for him.

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  137. Yea, I knew that. I remain anonymous for personal reasons, and that anonymity in no way is a reflection of trust for you.

    Lydia speaks so highly of you, and you can just tell from your picture that your a decent, stand up guy.

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  138. I can ascertain a persons character in most circumstances, from looking at their eyes for 30 seconds.

    I know that sounds ridiculous, but I am seldom wrong.

    Look at Bush's eyes. Then look at yours in your picture.

    One has light in them. And one has nothing but darkness.

    Try it. You'll see what I mean.

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  139. Hey Johnny.

    The similarities between the Bushites and the Nazi's are striking.

    (thats like holy water on a Vampire to him)

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  140. I know what you mean, I think i'm a good judge of character as well, still i'm amazed that you knew the real reason I wanted your e-mail.

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  141. thats like holy water on a Vampire to all the reich wingers, it riles them into a frenzy when they hear that comparison.

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  142. I do it to screw with Johnny mostly, lol.

    Yea, I think Lydia said you wanted to talk to me about Johnny. She and I had already discussed it too.

    He's harmless really, until he starts spamming.

    I also can't help but notice the blog goes down whenever things don't go his way. Just an observation of course.

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  143. Worf said "I also can't help but notice the blog goes down whenever things don't go his way. Just an observation of course."

    i noticed the same thing, in fact I told Lydia that it was down almost everyday while she was in vegas, like a hacker was messing with it and she was surprised.

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  144. Oh its definately a hacker. Denial of Service attacks however don't take much skill, particularly with database front ends, like a blog.

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  146. So it doesn't mean its a necessarily "smart" hacker.

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  148. Or the technical connections.

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  149. well i'm heading home, i'll be back online in 25 minutes or so.

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  150. Mike:

    The points you listed on facism describes the present US government to a tee.

    If they can squelch those in opposition, such as reporters receiving leaks on their crimes, destroying what few politicians will voice opposition and then messing up progressive blogs like that of Lydia's, then they will have won.

    Why would someone like Ann Coulter be so consumed with ruining Lydia's blog,so consumed with trying to scare her off personally, if she wasn't afraid that opposition voices are rising.

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  151. Larry, well said, you are exactly right coulter and her minions are doing everything in their power to silence and discredit any opposing viewpoints.

    see larry that just shows your human and have a soul, because any decent human would feel a sense of dread that chills them to their marrow after reading what I just posted on fascism because that does indeed describe what is going on today to a tee.

    The way I see it Democracy hangs on the edge of a knife and just like in Germany many years ago if the people with good in their hears dont find the courage to speak out and take a stand and attempt to fight the evil taking root democracy will fail and we will relive first hand the nazi's seizing power in Germany.

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  152. Although times are different, the similarities between the Bush regime and that of Hitler are remarkably similar.

    Both used the press to control and bring fear into the minds of their countries citizens, and both used war to try and take over the world.

    The only difference is not in the cold-heartedness of both leaders, but how Bush has taken modern day events to justify his grasp for dominance.

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  153. Over 100 Iraqi workers were kidnapped from a factory near Baghdad today.

    More indications of how the so-called Bush plan of Iraqis standing up while the US stands down is so successful.

    What an awesome Commander in Chief the US Napoleon has become.

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  154. I think Karl Rove used the rise of Nazi Germany as his blueprint.

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    The troops will be coming home soon, we all know this. Lets bring as many of them home as possible.

    Skip a night out at the bar or do give up some other minor luxury, just once, and the helmet upgrade kit you buy, just may be the next one that saves someones life.

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  156. BTW, if you're asking why we have to do this, its because other than the Army, the Military is "studying" the idea.

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  157. And if you don't have a hundred bucks to give, get off this blog and get a job.

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  158. The government will never pay for the upgrades.

    Look at all the body protection the troops families had to purchase because the govt. wouldn't do it.

    The new medical facility in Texas to rehabilitate wounded and disabled soldiers, had to be paid for with private donations and donations from average citizens.

    Our Govt has no problem sending troops to war, but they can't find the money to properly equip or rehabilitate them.

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  159. Thats why we need to do it now.

    We don't have time to wait for these idiots. I had no idea that the Marines, the Navy or the Air Force people didn't get these.

    We need to do it now, and give Congress hell later for not ORDERING THIS BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.

    You realize one Congressmens salary would by upgrade kits to protect 10,000 soldiers???

    Ridiculous I know, but put your money where your mouth is, and buy a soldier a better chance for coming home.

    The following link will take you directly to the donation form.

    BY A SOLDIER AN UPGRADE KIT

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  160. Thanks for the link. I saw Cher on CNN talking about it, but I didn't get the 800 number they had listed.

    Since they have two different prices for separate branches, hopefully people will purchase one of each.

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  161. Well the smaller price is for the Marine helmet kit. That is a cheaper kit but hey have to have the newer helmet, which the Air Force and the Navy does not.

    I bought the AirForce Navy kit, but I will probably buy another.

    If everyone just buys one, and we spread the word, well, theres not that many troops over there, minus the Army. We (us here at home) could easily outfit EVERY troop in the field in a week, if we just spread the word.

    Tell your companies, tell your friends, tell your bowling league.

    And thanks Larry. You are the man!

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  162. I'll try and pop over there later tonight or tomorrow and buy one, but I have to say i'm curious if the trolls like Voltaire and FF who claim to care so much about the troops will actually put there money where their mouth is.

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  163. Mike:

    They can't spend money to help protect the troops.

    They are saving their money for Ann ( Cold-Hearted) Coulter's hate spewing book.

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  164. THANKS MIKE!!!

    YOU ARE ALSO THE MAN!!!

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  165. Now we're cooking with fire!

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  166. Mike.

    I would ask that same question of the President spoiled little daughters.

    Wonder what they've done for the troops lately, if anything?

    Why did Cher have to do this? Why isn't Jenna Bush out there with her mom saying hey, lets get the troops this valuable life saving helmet kit? It would seem like they could get so much more attention.

    I mean, they do support them right?

    That is beyond supporting their daddy's decision to send them into hell.

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  167. I think Lydia posted something on this a while back, but I must have skimmed it.

    When I saw Cher tonight I was blown away, that this simple little kit that can make the differnce between a serious head injury or a close call, are not being given to every single young man or women that we send over there.

    This to me says VOLUMES about the blowhards in the senate, on BOTH sides.

    Not taking care of this simple thing, is criminal.

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  168. The Senate had no problem approving themselves another pay increase.

    The Senate had no problem turning down raising the minimum wage even though it had been nearly 10 years since it was increased.

    The Senate had no problem ignoring the safety needs of the military, because it didn't impact them.

    In those ways, their aren't much differences between the Senate and Bush.

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  169. Congress is criminally neglegent.

    Where Hilary on this?

    Why hasn't she come out and used her celebrity status to call for Congress to spend a whopping 99 bucks a soldier and save their heads?

    Where are the silver tongued slobs?

    You'd think as soon as they heard about this they'd been all over it.

    The TALK so much about honoring the "sacrifices" of the troops.

    I guess they're trying to make sure the troops sacrifice their heads so they can sit around and hand out medals or something.

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  170. Meanwhile Mary Matlin and the REICH wing is busy raising money for that criminal lying peice of shit, scumball lying libby.

    They raised 100,000 dollars in ONE LUNCH!!!

    That money would protect the heads of 10,000 SOLDIERS!!!

    Young men and women! OUR young men and women!!!!!!!


    But instead, they're giving it to a man whose WORTH MILLIONS!!!!!!!

    Yea, they support the troops, and democrats and liberals don't.

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  171. Hillary was on Larry King and didn't mention the needs of the troops.

    Mary Matalin spends all her time trying to keep Cheney out of jail for shooting people to care about the troops.

    I don't know how Carville can stand living around all that arrogant atmosphere.

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  172. Today she held a pishy poshy luncheoun to raise money for Scooter Libby's legal defense fund.

    She was even parking cars!

    She raised in one afternoon, 100,000 dollars for a criminal who is worth tens of Millions of dollars.

    Think about it. She worked like the devil himself to get the troops sent to Iraq, and she is the first to call a liberal a traitor if we dare talk about bringing them home, or that we should not have went there in the first place.

    But she tosses away 100,000 dollars of contributions to a man who doesn't need it, and ignores the fact that a simple little upgrade kit that costs less than see spends on mascara in an hour, can save a young man or womens life.

    CRAP. Thats what it is.

    Republicans support the troops my ass.

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  173. I would think that together the top level of executives at the White House could pass a freakin hat around and raise enough to cover the head of every troop overseas.

    But they'd rather fund a "study".

    Yea, THAT'S supporting the troops.

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  174. Anonymous10:08 PM

    Lydia, Is it true you and your husband filed Bankrupcy on close to a million dallars? I came across this info on the internet. From your past posting it gave us all the impression you were doing so well. Guess your projects aren't taking off like you had expected. Keep trying Dear you are bound to hit on something with all your efforts.

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  175. My dearest Johnny Wormwood.

    It is with great affection I write you today in this, one of our darker hours. I do not pretend to have all the answers for you, other than to say that indeed there is a higher purpose in our masters “master-plan”, and indeed you are saving up precious treasures in your fathers house, provided of course you don’t screw up, and allow these liberal devils to continue to post factual and important data that could sway our many followers away from our divine and glorious leader, and thus foil our carefully laid plans.

    No doubt some mystical awful power is assisting them in continuing to hound and badger us with such unearthly logic and cohesive debate but nonetheless, your orders are clear.

    Stick to the plan.

    Do not deviate as much as one iota from the role you have been entrusted with, lest you incur a wrath that neither you nor I can speak of without a shudder. Continue to publish senseless and incoherent dribble, and needless and tedious minutia.

    At no time, I repeat at no time are you to directly engage the enemy in open debate. While your prowess in the renowned “little-demons” debating class proceeded your assignment to our group, nonetheless these skills are untested against an actual human being, equipped with a fully functional brain and a soul. Indeed it has taken me many years to sharpen my ability to respond to the endless facts and figures and uncanny logic, from these heinous and terrible creatures of the temporal world. Should you undertake to do so, know that you do so, on your own, and I do not need to remind you that failure will not smile favorably on you, from those whose names I need not speak.

    I will look forward to your latest progress report with eager anticipation and awareness, particularly for your statistics of number of mindless taunts to logical facts quotient, or MTLF factor as you were taught at troll school back in your grace years. I do not once again; need to remind you, that a poor report is not something which will favor to enhance your budding career, nor is continuing to let this, warface of whom you speak continue to debase you so. Stand up for yourself, or we will stand someone else up, and help you to lie down.

    Now go forth, and be bold. Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid. Do not, and, well, you know the drill my boy.

    Write soon.

    Your loving Uncle, Screwtape.


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  176. P.S

    Personal Attacks have always been a favorite tactic of mine, particularly when delivered at pivotal moments in the discussion, when the enemy has a pertinent fact or some sort of confounded logical position to make.

    Always wait to deliver these powerful blows until a strong point has been made on the floor.

    Then, with all the impact of a car backfire, slap them with a random insult designed to target the individual, and not the point. Remember, we learned a long time ago that the best way to kill the message is to simply kill the messenger.

    Targeting a personal family member can be especially effective, as demonstrated by the brilliant use of this method by the soulless one whom you call warface.

    In truth had I not been so entertained by his apparent masterful display in coercing you into revealing your true nature as articulated in your last report, I would have squashed you then and there like the insect that you are, and happily digested your brainslime along with my afternoon porridge. Perhaps another time.

    For now continue to use the many arrows in your quiver to try and diffuse real information and replace it with emotional banter.

    Never let logic be your guide.

    Never let reason sway yours.

    We'll speak soon.

    Affectionately as always, your loving Uncle, Screwtape

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  177. Tall Texan6:13 AM

    Lydia wrote: "clearly [Rush] has chemical dependency issues."

    Like your alcoholism is any better?

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  178. Tall Texan7:32 AM

    Lydia, I notice you have deleted your comments calling for Rush Limbaugh's broadcast llicense to be revoked.

    Does that mean you have come to your senses and changed your mind?

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  179. Mainstream journalism: Shredding the First AmendmentBy Jon Prestage

    Online Journal Contributing Writer

    November 7, 2002

    The national broadcast and print news media's inability to critically assess George W. Bush's foreign and domestic policies and to serve as a watchdog for the public's interest is nothing less than a threat to the country's democratic processes.

    Not only has the national news media been unable to piece together a cogent and balanced review of Bush's policies, it has helped the administration to shape and spin national debate and muddy the waters to cover its actual intentions.

    The Radio-Television News Director's Association (RTNDA) says broadcast journalists should serve as "public trustees who seek truth and report it fairly with integrity and independence." If news directors really think their journalists live up to these standards, they are either delusional or hucksters.

    RTNDA is the world's largest organization devoted exclusively to electronic journalism. It boasts more than 3,000 members, mostly news directors. The association's ethics code is full of lofty language that sets standards for broadcast journalists. It says they should "pursue truth aggressively and present the news accurately, in context, and as completely as possible." It says they should place a "primary value on significance and relevance."

    They should "vigorously resist undue influence from any outside forces, including advertisers, sources, story subjects, powerful individuals, and special interest groups." They should resist those, it says, who "seek to buy or politically influence news content" and "refuse to allow the interests of ownership or management to influence news judgment or content . . ." It is not as though the RTNDA code is a relic of an earlier era in broadcast journalism, an anachronism. The association adopted this latest version of its ethics code in September 2000. Apparently our nation's news directors are asleep at the switch.

    There is plenty of evidence to show that broadcast journalists are willing co-conspirators in spinning the news. Describing how Sunday talk shows pander to the administration and "fabricate" the news, John Tierney of the New York Times blithely described the weekly ritual recently as "a cross between Sunday morning church and American football.

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  180. Coming from the pages of the New York Times, these observations are a bit disingenuous. Throughout the fall the Times published a rash of leaks from unnamed sources that were clearly part of an orchestrated administration effort to portray Saddam Hussein as a direct and immediate threat to the United States and to link him to al Qaeda. Much of the information provided by these unnamed sources turned out to be misleading or inaccurate. But the articles enabled the administration to direct the nation's news agenda toward war and away from the economy and to spin the facts to its liking.

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  181. "Before any information is accepted without full attribution, reporters must make every reasonable effort to get it on the record. If that is not possible, reporters should consider seeking the information elsewhere. If that in turn is not possible, reporters should request an on-the-record reason for concealing the source's identity and should include the reason in the story," it says.

    It would not appear that Times and Post reporters followed these codes during the rash of anonymous administration and Pentagon leaks this fall. Times and Post reporters surely did not follow these codes when they repeatedly published leaks from unnamed prosecution sources close to Kenneth Starr's investigation of former President William Clinton. History has shown that the Whitewater investigations were a sham all along and the leaks were simply disinformation. We were not warned then or now that these leaks might be part of calculated strategies to shape and spin the news, and, in the case of Starr, to impeach a popularly elected president, though the Times and Post must have known this was so. They simply allowed themselves to be used.

    The indiscriminate use of unnamed sources is far more dangerous now than it was in the past because most news outlets no longer independently verify information provided to competing news outlets by unnamed sources before running a story. The reason for this is the rush of news outlets, especially broadcasters, to get the story out as quickly as possible. There is no time for independent verification, and this allows spinners to run amuck.

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  182. A few weeks ago, former Vice President Al Gore called a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) proposal to eliminate all remaining restrictions on the ownership of news outlets " a dire threat to the survival of democracy in the United State of America." Ownership restrictions have been weakened in recent years, enabling a few powerful companies to buy up many competing news outlets. Gore warned that the media conglomerates resulting from this loosening of restrictions have already changed the way the news media and government relate and jeopardized the news media's ability to remain an independent watchdog. According to Gore, who is a former newspaper reporter, news has become a commodity, a cheap and readily available good, and, if the remaining restrictions are eliminated, the situation will become even worse.

    "The arrival of commodity news pushed both newspapers and broadcast news outlets out of their niche so that they had to start selling something else-a hybrid product of news plus," Gore said. This hybrid news product includes more opinion-based programming and celebrity journalism, a trend that blurs the line between objective reporting and a reporter's personal opinions.

    As Gore explains it, the media conglomerates are increasingly dependent on government policies and the bottom line. This has "created a timid media that refuses to question governmental decisions," he said.

    A timid news media is in fact a compromised news media and a dangerous development in a democracy. A compromised news media cannot serve its constitutional function to enlighten the public, so citizens can intelligently exercise their responsibilities in a democratic society. Instead, as we have learned, it provides the public with misinformation and spin and calls it news

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  183. Holcomb, who is president of the Newspaper Guild of Greater Philadelphia and a journalist for 40 years, said that newspapers had a "clearer mission" back when he began reporting. That mission was to "report the truth and raise hell." But corporate pressures have blurred this vision, he said.

    Janine Jackson of Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a news media watchdog group, told the American Free Press that 60 percent of journalists surveyed recently by FAIR admitted that advertisers "try to change stories."

    "Some advertisers kill some stories and promote others," she said, asserting that there is an "overwhelming influence of corporations and advertisers" on broadcast and print news reporting.

    "The trends are all bad-worse and worse," Nichols said. Newspapers and broadcast journalists are under "enormous pressures to replace civic values with commercial values."

    He labeled local television news a "cesspool." Local broadcasters are under pressure from big corporations to "entertain" rather than to inform, and people are "more ignorant" after viewing television news because of the misinformation they broadcast, he said.

    The scope of the national media's failure to honestly and thoroughly inform the American people on issues of the day was dramatically illustrated recently by a new polling organization that conducts national opinion surveys that capture the affects of misinformation. The organization is called Retro Poll, and its pilot poll, completed recently, looked at the war on terrorism.

    According to the organization's October 17, 2002, press release, the Retro Poll "attempts to show that public opinion is molded by media misinformation and disinformation (propaganda). It addresses the question: does the public opinion reported in the usual major media polls reflect the true values and beliefs of those Americans polled . . . ?"

    The terrorism poll involved people from 39 states and "showed a link between misinformation on Iraq and support for a U.S. war against that country." The poll's results suggest that by "continually highlighting Washington's viewpoint unchallenged, the news bureaus in the U.S. can change the facts in the minds of many Americans. The opinions formed from those unsubstantiated facts are then used by polling organizations to report back the values, ideas, and thinking of the public."

    The poll suggests, "The values of Americans remain strongly democratic and fair. This was demonstrated by poll results on elements in the war on terrorism. 80.4% of the respondents rejected the use of outlawed techniques such as torture against detainees. 82.7% supported the idea that the U.S. should have to prove its accusations against nations before attacking them. 71% rejected indeterminate detention of arrestees (citizens and non-citizens) without charges, proofs, or trials. 89.2% supported the position that the U.S. should support international attempts to prosecute war crimes."

    "Although the margin of error on individual poll questions ranged from plus or minus 6 to 8%, the relationship between advocacy of war on Iraq and misinformation of basic facts is statistically unlikely to have occurred by chance. This association reveals that what is actually being reported by most major polls is the ability of the Government and the Media to change the public perception by headlining exaggerated or erroneous government-provided information (propaganda). Retro Poll calls on the Corporate Media to carry out their democratic responsibility to bring forth and highlight the truth when government pronouncements are found to lack a firm factual basis." Readers can learn more about Retro Poll by visiting its site at http://www.retropoll.org.

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  184. This unit demonstrates the role that a free and independent press can and does play in the American politicalsystem, serving often as the people’s watchdog. But the unit also illustrates that the relationship between thepress and public officials is also one of mutual dependence. Finally, this unit explores what constitutes news andhow, out of the millions of things that happen each day, only a few are reported.The American media, sometimes referred to as the fourth estate, can and often do serve as a valuable check onthe powers of officials. As Justice Frankfurter once said,“A free press is indispensable to the workings of our dem-ocratic society.” Frankfurter is alluding to the fact that without accurate information about events, people, andgovernment policy, the public cannot make informed choices as it participates in the democratic process.

    Most media organizations in the United States are privately owned. Private ownership contributes to the inde-pendence of the media from government controls. But it also means that media owners must attract a sufficientnumber of viewers and readers. Increasingly, programming decisions take into account the mass appeal of storiesand features, and the graphics that accompany them. To increase profits, media owners buy additional media out-lets. This trend has contributed to a large consolidation of media sources such as television and radio stations,magazines, and Web sites. Most small, independently owned news stations and newspapers have been bought upby larger media conglomerates such as Knight-Ridder, USA Today, Time Warner, General Electric, Fox Broadcasting,and Disney. Critics charge that consolidation of ownership contributes to a homogenization of news, where mostnews features echo each other, and often reflect the media and political elite’s interpretation of events.

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  185. Facts dispensed by Limbaugh are almost never questioned during his program. A hostile caller rarely gets through screeners, and his TV show was regularly delivered before a live, cheering studio audience. Limbaugh doesn't debate - he prefers to forge a media empire largely based on unchallenged monologues or scripted chains of thought.

    On-air discussions grew heated, and often he simply disconnected callers mid-sentence.He made personal attacks, heavy on political commentary.

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  186. So TT, Rush is using his show as a vehicle to influence and sway public opinion with lies and unsubstantiated facts, do you think this is acceptable, if he makes a comment like "liberals are glad the soldiers are dead" he should say "in my opinion liberals are glad the soldiers are dead", but 1) be doesnt have the balls to say that and 2) he is out to deceice people and misrepresent his opinion as fact to sway opinion and influence people politically.

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  187. See if he had said ""in my opinion liberals are glad the soldiers are dead", that would fall under freedom of speech and be perfectly acceptable. But instead he tried to pass it off as fact by saying "liberals are glad the soldiers are dead" this is nothing more than slander and lies, and would be the same as me getting on the air and saying Rush is a child molestor with no facts to back up that statement.

    See TT he should be able to speak his opinion on air regardless of what it is, but if he is using his show to influence public opinion by deceiving them with slanderous unsubstantiated lies, then he should have his licence revoked and be fined by the FCC, but that will never happen because the FCC is in Bush Co's back pocket.

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  188. Great post, although I do agree with everyone here that Limbaugh should not be censored for his viewpoints, no matter how ridiculous they are. A disclaimer should be posted before his show saying that these are his own opinions, then following it with...bullshit opinions

    For his chemical dependancy, an exception there also has to be made, for the reason that he needs to get professional help, we can't in good conscience kick a man when he is down

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  189. ballplayer said"A disclaimer should be posted before his show saying that these are his own opinions, then following it with...bullshit opinions"

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  190. More than 50 percent of the country wants a FIRM pull out date for Iraq before the end of this year, based on a new CNN poll.

    More than half the country I guess are now cowards and traitors according to the new republican talking points memos.

    Keep calling everyone who disagrees with you guys traitors and cowards fellas. Because now you're calling more than half the country that.

    That strategy should endear you to them.

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  191. And come November, you will see how much it has endeared you to them.

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  192. Anonymous11:12 AM

    Liberals don't care for what happens to our troops------

    so long as liberals can grab power

    and then do the same as those in power now -- if not worse ..

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  193. Gee Johnny troll. You sound sad.

    Reduced to just making up random bullshit are we?

    Yea. Liberals start wars.

    Keep pushing that one.

    Thats gonna sell.

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  194. Speaking of caring about the troops JohnnyTroll, did you go to Operation-Helmet and buy a soldier an upgrade kit yet?

    If not, then please do so.

    Then you can come back in and call us all traitors.

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  195. AP Updated: 18 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON - The GOP-controlled Senate on Thursday rejected Democratic calls to start withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq by years' end, as the two parties sought to define their election-year positions on a war that has grown increasingly unpopular.

    "Withdrawal is not an option. Surrender is not a solution," declared Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee, who characterized Democrats as defeatists wanting to abandon Iraq before the mission is complete.

    Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada, in turn, portrayed Republican leaders as blindly following President Bush's "failed" stay-the-course strategy. "It is long past time to change course in Iraq and start to end the president's open-ended commitment," he said.

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  196. Its time for a change in the Senate and the house, or else Bush's failed policy's and corrupt agenda will become the status quo.

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  197. Well the Congress does NOT reflect the will of the American people, which is demonstrated by their DISMAL approval rating, which is down in the 20's.

    Vote every one of the BUMS out who voted against withdrawal, democrat, repugnican, independent.

    Vote the BUMS out.

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  198. Poll: Majority wants Iraq pullout date set

    Friday, June 16, 2006
    WASHINGTON (CNN) –

    A majority of Americans — 53 percent — favors setting a timetable for U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq, with 47 percent saying the deadline should be in a year or less, according to a CNN poll released Friday.

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  199. Anonymous12:15 PM

    Why did the liberals start Vietnam ?

    if they are soooo heavenly ?

    chuckle

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