Wednesday, June 14, 2006

VEGAS: DOUG BASHAM, JOE WILSON, JACK CARTER & YEARLY KOS

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  • Please forgive the delay in posting the guest blogger. Have an emergency this week, and it will have to wait until next week. I know I have been strangely quiet regarding Ann Coulter, but we have our reasons. More will be revealed. Whatever happened to the MONROE DOCTRINE and the GENEVA CONVENTION?? Meanwhile, I would like your input on our troops in Iraq. I met a Westpoint graduate Friday night, who served with the elite Rangers serving a few years ago in Afghanistan, and he confided something he found suspicious. READ MORE BELOW...

    L to R: Ex-CIA agent LARRY, DOUG BASHAM and AMBASSADOR JOE WILSON (Valerie Plame's husband) at Basham's Progressive Talk fundraiser in Vegas, which honored Spc. Douglas Barber, who took his life earlier this year. He had PTSD. The military trains our soldiers, but does not prepare them for the aftermath of war. God Rest his soul. Basham is the best interviewer I've ever had. He is amazingly generous, quick-witted, knows everything, and he's "tight" too. "Tight:" that's the annoying new word for "cool" according to my 12-year-old.

    Before 911, this elite Ranger and his unit were asked to clear a huge Airforce landing strip in Afghanistan, but did not know the location they were in. So they cleared the landing strip. RIGHT BEFORE 911 happened. Strange, eh? Also, does anyone know the status of the soldier who refused to go to Iraq? Is he being court martialed? I think his defense should be this: he signed on to defend America before he discovered that Bush lied about the reason for going to war. At this point, his Commander-in-Chief turns out to be a liar; our troops are suffering from PTSD and committing crimes comparable to the My Lai massacre.





    VEGAS Pix of Bloggers: Lyd, RENE, Destiny; MIKE, Lyd; Lyd with Jack Benny & George Burns in photo at 50th anniversary of Riviera gallery


    Had a great time in Vegas with the incredible Doug Basham and his PROGRESSIVE TALK show. Got to meet Jack Carter, Jimmy Carter's son, who is running for Congress. Ambassador Joe Wilson and ex-Cia agent Larry J. were at Basham's radio fundraiser for his Progressive Talk station. Basham is one of the best voices for the progressive cause IN AMERICA!! Also met some wonderful people at the fundraiser at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse.
    Daily KOS, THINK PROGRESS AND ESCHATON were at the Riviera having the Yearly Kos convention.

    TO REPEAT:
    IT IS VITAL TO keep in mind that if, instead of siding with Hitler, the Christians of Germany - who represented some 96% of the population - had joined with the Jews, handicaps, homosexuals and the "Liberals", there would have been no war and no holocaust! But Hitler responded: "I have the churches in my back pocket." He then proceeded to arrange for the Nazi government to pay for the support of the clergy, their churches and their schools, so long as they didn't get in his way. That is just one of the many reasons why so few of the Christian clergy dared to speak out against Hitler, no matter how heinous his policies became! (From www.LiberalslikeChrist.org)

    663 comments:

    1. Love the Einstein quote. Tell us all about your show in Vegas.
      Do you have a DVD of your comedy?
      Max

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    2. Personally, I love how some Republican operatives were allowed to take the machines home the night before the election to keep them secure.

      Can't the frikkin' government afford one stinkin' security guard?

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    3. Mike

      Carl has indicated that he wouldnt mind/care checking out Uranus as long as Lydia were to be there.

      How do you feel about this?

      Would you explore the outer reaches of Uranus with them if given the opportunity?

      I guess you would need a fast rocket ship though.

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    4. I know Jack Carter will do exceptionally well in politics.

      After all, his brilliant papa Jimmy was by far the finest Democrat President the U.S. has ever had. I remember the gas lines, stagflation, rabid rabbits, U.S. hostages parading on TV, the "malaise" speech. Ah those were the good ol days.

      Then that damned Ronnie Reagan went and ruined everything.

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    5. Welcome back FF!

      I'm not so sure about Jack...
      Kinda resembles Billy more than Jimmy...You don't suppose Rosalyn...
      NAH!!!! nevermind....

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    6. I do hear that Ruths Chris steakhouse is exceptionally good.

      They advertise quite a bit on Rush and Sean Hannity's radio shows....

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    7. Hey thanks Voltaire.

      I had a steak at Ruth's Chris once, but was not impressed. The beef is top notch, but they fry it in a pan, they don't grill it over coals. Also very overpriced; everything is a la carte. Besides steaks are so easy; I'd much rather grill my own -- over mesquite charcoal and slathered in fresh garlic and cracked peppercorns...served with a glass of dry red Petite Sirah.

      Went to a Greek restaurant tonite. Their dolmas were almost as good as my own, but not quite.

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    8. TT said "Back when there were only three TV stations and no Internet, talk radio or Fox News, it used to be so easy for the MSM to destroy reputations -- Joe McCarthy, Barry Goldwater, Richard Nixon, Robert Bork, Dan Quayle, Oliver North, Clarence Thomas, Pat Buchanan, Newt Gingrich, Paula Jones and Linda Tripp, to name a few of the MSM's prey.

      Oh, the civility of having only three TV stations back in our parents' day! It was even more civil in the Soviet Union where there was only one TV station.

      Ah, the civility of the old media! Sadly for the MSM, the Silent Majority is silent no more."

      Funny TT that with ONLY 3 tv stations back in the day the MSM was much more fair and balanced instead of a tool of the RightWingnuts to deceive and influence the weak minded.

      Also Funny how you seem to relate to Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon, two people this administration seems to have patterned themselves after with their McCarthy like fear tactics and penchant for illegal spying.

      Now as for your portraying your people as victims I guess you are trying to say freedom of speech is not a good thing and these people should be beyond attack from dissenters, funny though your girl Ann Coulter seems to disagree, she seems to think anyone is fair game for personal attacks and slander whether she can support her lies and drivel or not, wonder if she got her line that the widows of 9/11 are happy their husbands are dead from the Psychic Friends Network Huh Troll Texan???

      And as for your reference to the silent majority, the voices of dissent aka "the silent majority" has never been more silent my friend, all while you psudo patriotic hyppocrites claim to support freedom of speech and say that no one is above speaking out against or attacking personally, yet you paint anyone who disagrees with the president or Neo Con agenda as an unpatriotic traitor.

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    9. Freedom Fan said...
      I remember the gas lines, stagflation, rabid rabbits, U.S. hostages parading on TV, the "malaise" speech.


      Oh, so this differs from 2006...how again?

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    10. I guess the difference is Bush didnt make a malaise speech, he's not as honest as Carter.

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    11. Another difference, is we didnt have videos of terrorists like Osama televised regularly in Carters day or televised beheadings by terrorists either, but since you seem to blame Jimmy Carter for everything that was wrong in the world at that time, I guess its ok to blame Bush and assume that you view these attrocities as his fault as well right FF ????????

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    12. At U.S. Naval War College, Scholar Likens Iraq to Plague
      FILE UNDER: Iraq, Politics, Culture
      If anyone asks you why this is a great country, tell them this story.

      Yesterday the Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, opened its annual conference on international strategy with a speech from the Navy Secretary in a vast hall, followed by a panel on American power composed of three scholars, all of whom had opposed the war in Iraq. Indeed, in the biographical notes that were given out to the audience of officers—men and women wearing their dress whites—one of the scholars stated bluntly that he had written about the "folly of invading Iraq."

      For an hour the panelists gave their reasons for why they believe America will remain the most powerful country in the world well into this century, regardless of the morass in Iraq. There were about ten questions. The last one was from a Navy commander named Cladgett from Syracuse, who rose in the middle of the audience.

      "My question to the panel is, What is the path to success in Iraq?"


      There was a damburst of laughter in the audience, then the scholars took it on, one by one. The first, Stephen Walt of Harvard, said "This was a huge strategic blunder, there are no attractive plans forward." The greatest danger—an international conflict in Iraq—would be there no matter when we left. The next man, Robert Art of Brandeis, said, he thought it was extremely important for America's image in the Arab world not to have permanent bases in Iraq.

      The last one to speak was the one who had used the word "folly" in the program: John J. Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago. Mearsheimer is 58. He told the audience that when he was a teenager, he had enlisted in the Army. Then he'd spent 1966-1970 at West Point. Then he said this:

      I remember once in English class we read Albert Camus's book The Plague. I didn't know what The Plague was about or why we were reading it. But afterwards the instructor explained to us that The Plague was being read because of the Vietnam War. What Camus was saying in The Plague was that the plague came and went of its own accord. All sorts of minions ran around trying to deal with the plague, and they operated under the illusion that they could affect the plague one way or another. But the plague operated on its own schedule. That is what we were told was going on in Vietnam. Every time I look at the situation in Iraq today, I think of Vietnam, and I think of The Plague, and I just don't think there's very much we can do at this point. It is just out of our hands. There are forces that we don't have control over that are at play, and will determine the outcome of this one. I understand that's very hard for Americans to understand, because Americans believe that they can shape the world in their interests.
      But I learned during the Vietnam years when I was a kid at West Point, that there are some things in the world that you just don't control, and I think that's where we're at in Iraq.


      The panel was over. For a moment or two there was stunned silence, and then applause—at once polite, sustained and thunderous.


      http://mondoweiss.observer.com/2006/06/at-us-naval-war-college-scholar-likens-iraq-to-plague.html


      Much more informative than Mann the Nazi...and actually has some factual content

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    13. Clif, you been on vacation or something?????

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    14. Mike said...
      I guess the difference is Bush didnt make a malaise speech, he's not as honest as Carter.


      "Amerka's addected t' oil."

      Sure sounded like a malaise speech to me and I think I even mentioned that on my blog the day after the SOTU speech.

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    15. Anonymous1:11 PM

      Carl sounds like a retarded fag.
      Probably some gay hick with nothing better to do than to talk his stupid mindless garbage!

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    16. Anonymous1:13 PM

      Carl, do you "HOOK" in with guy's...LOL. I know for damn sure you're not married to a woman!

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    17. Bush Raises Threshold for Firing Aides In Leak Probe

      By Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen
      Washington Post Staff Writers
      Tuesday, July 19, 2005; Page A01

      President Bush said yesterday that he will fire anyone in the administration found to have committed a crime in the leaking of a CIA operative's name, creating a higher threshold than he did one year ago for holding aides accountable in the unmasking of Valerie Plame.

      After originally saying anyone involved in leaking the name of the covert CIA operative would be fired, Bush told reporters: "If somebody committed a crime, they will no longer work in my administration."

      This is a small, but potentially very significant, distinction, because details that have emerged from the leak investigation over the past week show that Karl Rove, Bush's top political aide, and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, discussed Plame with reporters before her name was revealed to the public. It is unclear whether either man committed a crime, according to lawyers familiar with the case.

      Democrats pounced on Bush's comments to accuse him of trying to shield White House aides from future punishment.

      "This is about the credibility of the president of the United States," said Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.). "He said he would fire anyone who was involved in leaking this sensitive information. Now, he's changing his tune."

      Reid and other Democrats said that even if administration aides did not violate the law, they should lose their security clearances -- if not their jobs -- for trafficking in information about a CIA operative.

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    18. How many times has Bush lied to or mislead the American people now, it getting too high for people like anonyfool to count, afterall he only has a limited amount of fingers and toes, its actually insulting to our intelligence that, that halfwit thinks all the stupid sheep are too dumb to remember what he said a few months ago. He said he would Fire ANYONE in his administration that leaked info, now its anyone that committed a crime, funny though that it would be kind of difficult to fire himself and his sidekick "Dead Eye Dick" and his buddy KKKArl etc... not to mention inconvienient.

      Here's may take though, the lame duck administration made a calculated decision to save their strategist Rove so he could help out with the fall elections but will throw Cheney under the bus as the sacrificial lamb, I say Cheney will either resign or possibly go down for the leaking of Plame's identity.

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    19. Anonypussy

      Carl likes chix....period!!

      His joke to visit this comically named planet with a certain female indicates, quite clearly, that he loves chix.

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    20. Tall Texan3:19 PM

      Mike, I guess you would like to go back to the bad old days where you couldn't express your opinions on nationally read and Liberal blogs like Think Progress, DailyKos, Huffington Post, etc.

      Oh, yeah, there's that other one with about 10 unique visitors (mostly drooling mouth breathers) per day started by a costar of an 80s sitcom who had a run in with the bestselling author of the day.

      The "Larry J" that Lydia refers to is Larry Johnson, a very disgruntled former member of US intelligence who wrote a nice little paper in July of 2001 that suggested the risk of terrorism is low. So much for his credibility.

      Hey, Mike, when have I ever suggested that we abridge anyone's First Amendment rights. The Jersey Girls have there opnion, and no shortage of outlets for them, and Ann Coulter has her opinion. Fifteen years ago, where would you have gone, Mike, to rebut such an opinion?

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    21. Lydia

      I request to hear your version of where to draw the fine line on pornographic material that is appropriate for everyone. What is your suggestion to make the trains run on time regarding this issue?

      "Everybody wants to rule the world."

      "Tears for Fears"


      Also, young teenage boys have a natural curiousity. Denying them that curiousity may cause untold emotional damage and could actually reinforce sexual deviance if not properly guided.

      Im not wrong!

      If you do not respond, I understand how you have been influenced........God's much too self important and superior too listen to the little guy.

      Apparently, He's busy....excuses, excuses!!

      Ever notice spiritual people always make excuses for negligence?

      God is negligent....period!!

      LOL!

      :D

      P.S

      Remember the rabbit hole is bottomless when answering.

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    22. Tall Texan3:39 PM

      You really think Carl likes chix?
      Well then it must be true....NOT

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    23. Tall Texan3:45 PM

      The post at 3:39 was not mine. TT

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    24. Lydia said

      "Covers politics, spiritual therapy comedy, prayer miracles, bridging the gap between faith"

      Hopefully, not just your version of the indicated above said items......unless, of course, your offended by others opinions thus proving my point true peace is impossible.

      If offended, this obviously allow's me to conclude there is no spiritual God as mankind is truly incapable of getting along based on our emotional responses to others.

      Ahhhh........the comfort of illusion!

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    25. TT said " Mike, I guess you would like to go back to the bad old days where you couldn't express your opinions on nationally read and Liberal blogs like Think Progress, DailyKos, Huffington Post, etc."

      Those so called "bad old days" you refer to Troll Texan are in your own fantasyland, in the past the MSM was fair and balanced instead of a tool of the Right Wingnuts to deceive and influence the masses, see freedom of speech is one thing but portraying a lunatic like coulter as an intelligent and credible political pundit is laughable, how can you take someone seriously that says "a supreme court judge should be poisoned" or that "Liberals should be executed" or that "the widows of 9/11 are glad their husbands are dead", see TT i'm not saying she doesnt have a right to say this riddiculous drivel but what I am saying is the only reason the is portrayed as a intelligent and credible political pundit and given such a vast quantity of air time is because the "Big Money" Powers That Be" that now control the MSM are bankrolling her. see if she is saying that kind of garbage then it is impossible to take her seriously, and if she is a comdian and just being funny then she shouldnt get any more air time or respect then any other political comedians.

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    26. Wheres the special guest blogger? Lydia, it seems, just love's toying with our brains.

      Not even an indication......baloney?

      I'm still waiting for examples of miracles in her life?

      Wonder why Mikes pics havent appeared yet? Maybe hes not important enough?

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    27. And in light of the "RightWingnut Powers that Be" bankrolling Coulter, I seriously wonder if she didn't get some "HELP" in becoming a bestsellung author, I mean it wouldnt be that hard for a Moon or Scaife to buy up a whole bunch of her books to "make" her a bestselling author now would it????

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    28. Tall Texan4:10 PM

      Mike writes: "what I am saying is the only reason the is portrayed as a intelligent and credible political pundit..."

      Don't kid yourself. Her comments are highly controversial, but controversy sells, for better or worse.

      My point is that you seem to be longing for the days when you could make your opinion known only to those people at the barbor shop or the local bar.

      Now, with just a few keystrokes, your opnion can be made known to readers of blogs worldwide. The MSM has lost its monopoly on the forming of opnion. The Internet has been the great leveler, and yet you bemoan the current state of political discourse.

      Never before in your life have you had more ways to get your opinion out.

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    29. Your pulling a bait and switch again TT, I am all for Freedom of Speech, and I fully support the Internet and other various alternative media for diseminating and communicating information, it the the MSM being controlled by the Right Wing that concerns me.

      It seems at this point in time blogs and the internet are the lefts main outlet to get their voice and opinions heard ouside of the filtered info of the MSM.

      sounds like we are somewhat in agreement regarding censorship and freedom of speech TT.

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    30. Metaphysics: Suffering is positive....there are no limits to the infinite, enjoyable learning experience of suffering!

      Its against the law to be human and tired in God's wacky world; there's so much purpose/goodness in suffering that honor is virtually an illusion!

      Unbelievable.....LOL!

      Self imposed brainwashing always tickles my tummy.

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    31. Politics! The endless search into the unanswerable and infinite disagreeable!

      Quite simply, a pretend for human compassion that is really a quest for power.

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    32. Ever since blogging was invented everyones a humanitarian, however, I see little evidence of this in the real world?

      I see nothing but a stuggle for power....driving alone proves this!

      LOL

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    33. Its always quiet when you speak the truth!!

      Please, invent excuses to enlighten me and avoid the real truth!

      Humans are best at manufacturing....period!!

      I do, however, accept this and am proud of myself for not breaking down and seeking illusions during my most difficult moment.

      Unlike others, who believe fantasy will save them from a harsh environment.

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    34. Neo: What truth?

      Morpheus: You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

      Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.

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    35. Lydia's belief there are only two choices in life - "Love or Fear" shows how limited her thinking is.

      FF and Volt were the only one's to catch on to this comical, self imposed, limited approach on life....this is why I respect them.

      Maybe I'm a conservative at heart and dont know it?

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    37. Johnny said "Wheres the special guest blogger? Lydia, it seems, just love's toying with our brains.

      Not even an indication......baloney?

      I'm still waiting for examples of miracles in her life?

      Wonder why Mikes pics havent appeared yet? Maybe hes not important enough?"

      LOL, leave me out of this one Johnny, I allready saw my pics, i'm not really concerned what she does with them, unless she posts the one where I have my eyes closed and I look silly, I dont blame you though for wanting to see them, I would as well if you had gone to the show and taken pics seriously though Lydias's been working night and day on the Book(s) and has been away from her family for two out of the last three weeks, I think she deserves a little R&R with her family. :D

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    38. Its only a number!

      White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, gave the official Bush response today to the announcement that 2500 US soldiers have died in Iraq, by saying " its only a number".

      I guess that is part of the "Compassionate Conservative" philosophy, that 2500 soldiers and their families, whose lives have been destroyed is "its only a number".

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    39. Johnny,

      "Maybe I'm a conservative at heart and dont know it?"

      Unlike Worf, Clif and Mike,
      There IS hope for you yet Johnny.
      Just turn off "Groundhog Day" and take the red pill this time....

      Liberals, like rust on metal, erode the social traditions and mores of a culture resulting in it's destruction.

      Look at their church the ACLU...

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    40. Johnny said "Lydia's belief there are only two choices in life - "Love or Fear" shows how limited her thinking is.

      FF and Volt were the only one's to catch on to this comical, self imposed, limited approach on life....this is why I respect them.

      Maybe I'm a conservative at heart and dont know it?"

      johnny I think your taking her words too literally and maybe looking at the letter of what she wrote instead of the spirit.

      If I remember right I dont think there was an "ONLY" in her quote, see I dont think Lydia see's the world in Black and White Johnny, what I think she said is "life is a constant choice between love or fear", and I think what she was refering to was a broader concept something like fear leads to hate, war and death, while love leads to peace and goodness. obviously Lydia is aware that humans are capable of experiencing a wider range of emotions than just love and fear, but her point was we have freewill and have a choice between choosing the path of love, goodness and peace or the path of fear, hatred, war and death.

      Furthermore I think she was directly refering to the Neo Con's use of fear tactics to support their war and global agenda that not only inspire hatred on our side but also inspire hatred of us among muslims arabs and even former allies and serves to aid the terrorists in recruiting and attracting more terrorists and has involved us in a quagmire we cant win, where like the mythological hydra for every terrorist/insurgent and worse innocent civilian we kill there are 3 more to take his place who hate us and want to do us harm. whereas if we focused on spreading goodwill and love and genuinely tried to help these people instead of merely furthering our own agenda and best interests as well as focused on domestic security like securing our borders and ports instead of waging war on the other side of the world to gain a foothold over the oil supply our country would be far safer.

      Now regarding whose side you think is more credible Johnny, let me ask you this, and i'd really like to hear your answers, if you had to distill Lydia's and Ann Coulters message down to one thought, soundbyte or sentence, what would it be???

      Here's my summary of what I feel their message would be:

      Lydia: " be kind to others and follow the golden rule and treat others the way you would want to be treated"

      Coulter " if you don't like the message kill the messenger"

      which side do you think sounds more reasonable and credible Johnny??????

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    41. Johnny said "I do, however, accept this and am proud of myself for not breaking down and seeking illusions during my most difficult moment.

      Unlike others, who believe fantasy will save them from a harsh environment."

      Johnny how do you know the spiritualism that Lydia as well as Clif believe in and say got them through rough times times are illusions?

      They both said there are no clear and absolute answers and that unlike the dogma of religion that spiritualism is different for everyone and that their experiences are theirs and may not apply to you, however in most cases whether it is science or spiritual enlightment you need to believe and have faith but at the very least be open minded and accepting to get the answers and understanding that you seek. Just think if Man never believed we could go to the moon or never believed that the world was round, if no believed we had a chance to go to the moon, it never would have happened, and if no one believed it was possible the world was round, everyone would still mistakenly think it was flat.

      I sense you are very philosophical and questioning and somewhat skeptical and those arent bad qualities as you are not easily deceived or misled by the MSM, I also get the sense that because you are an atheist and dont believe in god or religion that you are a little turned off to some of Lydia's words like "God is Love" etc.. and are focused more on the words than the broader message, and are not looking at what she is saying with an open mind.

      Dont get me wrong, while i'm not an atheist, like you, I am not a fan of main stream religion as it is currently practiced by the majority of people, I think far more evil and dammage have been done by religion than good and that it is a means to power and wealth by eliteists with self serving agendas, instead of a means for actually helping people.

      As for spiritualism, I have never experienced miracles through it or relied on it to get me through horrible times, however I am very open minded about spirtualism and feel that just as with many of our myths, mythology,legends, paranormal, near death experiences etc... there has to be some truth to many of these experiences and phenomena.

      Also although I hate to generalize and use stereotypes i'm going to do it in this instance, in general I think women are more spiritual than men, and although as I said before I've never had any miracles or am not as sprirtually enlightened as Lydia or even Clif, I think for a guy I am pretty spiritually enlightened and definately have a spiritual side and would like to learn more from Lydia's book and experiences.

      Something that comes to mind is How Lydia said that people never die that they are always with us, I remember my mother saying something similar when her mother (my grandmother died) they were closer than any mother and daughter I have ever known, more like friends and when she died and my father had a stroke at the same time and needed care, I thought for sure my mother would suffer from severe depression, but I think her spriritual belief that people dont just fade into nothingness when they die, but rather stay in our hearts helped get her through the terrible ordeal, she told me many times she sensed my grandmothers pressence and although I have never experienced this myself I have an open mind and accept that this very well could be true, but if you dont believe it will never be true.

      I guess what i'm saying is how do you know if something is fantasy and illusion or true if you dont look at it with an open mind and give it a fair chance??

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    42. ...I've never had any miracles or am not sprirtually enlightened as...Clif...
      -Mike

      Absolutely. Few of us are as spiritually enlightened as Clif; he is an inspiration for us all. Clif is correct to point out that Christian fundamentalists are just as dangerous as Islamic fundamentalists.

      True, Islamic fundamentalists worship an ancient highwayman who robbed and killed many hundreds of innocent merchants then enslaved their women as sex toys, married a little nine year old girl, ordered hits on pesky opponents to be murdered in the middle of the night, and requires death or taxation of all those who refuse to believe in Allah.

      But what about Jesus; is he really any better? Recall his rage when he flipped over the sellers' tables in the temple? What about when he cast demons into pigs which then ran off a clif? What about his followers who murder innocent abortion doctors -- a practice which we all know is encouraged by the Pope and all major religious leaders?

      As Clif has shown, Christians are no better than Muslims. In fact, all organized religion is suspect. Can't a person be spiritual without participating in organized religion?

      What about the cannibals in New Guinea who worship trees? What about Darryl Hannah and other Liberal women with boy's names who sit in trees? Are we supposed to believe that they are any less spiritual than Billy Graham? Don't make me laff.

      I think that I shall never see
      A poem lovely as a tree.
      A tree whose hungry mouth is prest
      Against the earth's sweet flowing breast;
      A tree that looks at God all day,
      And lifts her leafy arms to pray;
      A tree that may in Summer wear
      A nest of robins in her hair;
      Upon whose bosom snow has lain;
      Who intimately lives with rain.
      Poems are made by fools like me,
      But only God can make a tree.

      -Joyce Kilmer

      That is so beautiful! It is enough to make anyone start worshipping trees.

      Which is why I have ordered one of these:
      Beaver Tree

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    43. FF said "But what about Jesus; is he really any better? Recall his rage when he flipped over the sellers' tables in the temple? What about when he cast demons into pigs which then ran off a clif? What about his followers who murder innocent abortion doctors -- a practice which we all know is encouraged by the Pope and all major religious leaders?

      As Clif has shown, Christians are no better than Muslims. In fact, all organized religion is suspect. Can't a person be spiritual without participating in organized religion?"

      FF if you had taken the time to actually read my posts you would see that I am in agreement that all organized religion is suspect, and that a person does NOT need to participate in the dogma of organized religion to be spiritual.

      Furthermore I dont think true followers of the real message Jesus was trying to get across would support killing abortion doctors, thats the fanatical hippocrites who claim they are pro life but yet advocate killing and murder and most of those people are alligned with the Religious Right, I posted about this very topic a few months ago FF as an abortion doctor was murdered in my home town about 7 years ago and the sniper that murdered him stood in my uncles backyard, so I have witnessed this hippocritical fanaticism first hand.

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    44. Also why do conservatives always take things to the absurd, maybe Christian fundamentalists arent AS dangerous as Islamic fundamentalists, but I hold my own people to a higher standard than a bunch of crazy radical terrorists beheading and murdering innocents for their own self serving agenda and so should you FF, the argument that you support them because they arent AS bad as the islamic fundamentalists/terrorists, is weak.

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    45. Carl said ""Amerka's addected t' oil."

      Sure sounded like a malaise speech to me and I think I even mentioned that on my blog the day after the SOTU speech."

      Maybe Carl, I guess that one is open to interpretation, but the way I saw it, it was CYA and Bush was trying to cover his ass, he didnt want his critics to be able to say he didnt warn us that our dependence on oil was a problem or portray him as in bed with the big oil companies so he paid lipservice to the problem and proposed a few weak or pie in the sky solutions that were way in the future and that him and his administration wouldnt be accountable for.

      See Bush is like a sixteen yearold accountability is a dirty word and foreign concept to them.

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    46. And FF, while the pope and other religious leaders dont openly support killing abortion doctors, they should be forcefully condeming it, and any so called pro-life, priest or so called religious person who considers it justifiable hommiside and considers it acceptable.

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    48. Troll Texan said "Hey, Mike, when have I ever suggested that we abridge anyone's First Amendment rights. The Jersey Girls have there opnion, and no shortage of outlets for them, and Ann Coulter has her opinion. Fifteen years ago, where would you have gone, Mike, to rebut such an opinion?"

      Troll Texan if you cant tell the difference between someone expressing their opinion or rebutting another's argument and a personal attack, then you need serious help my friend.

      See if Coulter had said something like i think they are wrong based on these facts...... and here is why my argument is superior and I am right .... followed by more facts to support argument then it would have been a rebuttal. But Coulter clearly attacked them personally by saying they are glad their husbands are dead, with no facts to support or back up her weak riddiculous argument.

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    49. Mike I have made a trip to Conroe Texas, and just got back..

      As far as why do reichwingnuts take everything to illogical extremes...it is the insecure 16 year old child they never habve fully evolved from...it makes them attempt to over compensate...usually through money and material assests which they can show off to others with,,, instead of trying for personal spiritual developement..... which can not be easily shown to others .... if you have it you usually do not care if others see your spiritual side or not...it is enough to have a spiritual life and leave the keeping up with the wingnuts for others.....

      Later..I'm going to spend the weekend with the munchkin...(she does not like that term)

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    50. Yo, Freedom Fawn,

      More people have died in the name of Christ in wars than have even LIVED in the name of Allah and Muhammad.

      You compare Muhammad, a human and a prophet, with my Jesus, a deity.

      A better comparison might be to, say, Moses. Now, let's see you defend a man who beat his brethren to death with a staff, shall we?

      And mind you, not too many Jews started world wars, so your argument on that lines is, well, as so many things you spew, bullshit.

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    51. Oh, and Anonymous?

      I'm just as much man as Ann Coulter...

      Funny how when l'il Freedom Fawn was gone, so was Annoymouse...

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    52. More people have died in the name of Christ in wars than have even LIVED in the name of Allah and Muhammad.
      -Carl

      Linky please genius, unless you are merely "spewing bullshit"? Oh and good luck finding over 1.5 billion victims who died "in the name of Christ". LOL.

      You compare Muhammad, a human and a prophet, with my Jesus, a deity. A better comparison might be to, say, Moses.
      -Carl

      Here's a little test, Carl baby:

      Make a movie about Moses, like say the Ten Commandments with Chas Heston. How many Jews will riot? Answer zip...nada...dumb question eh?

      Make a movie about God or Jesus; there have proly been well over 100. How many Christians will riot? You already know the answer: Zippo.

      Now just try making a movie about Big Mo; I'll even help you publicize this wonderful event by contacting CAIR on your behalf. Can you name even one movie about Muhammad? Would the spineless smarmy Hollywood types even dare?

      Ok simply draw a picture of Mo and put it on the internet with your name and address, or draw his likeness in a cartoon in a Danish newspaper. Same question. What happens? Very bad thing happen.

      So what's the big deal if he was merely a prophet, not a diety to Muslims? The fact is that Allah is actually the alter-ego of Muhammad. It is really Muhammad that Muslims worship. This can easily be established by reading the quran and noting where the references to Him (Allah) and me (Muhammad) are used interchangeably. These can not be dismissed as mistakes because the quran is considered to be literally perfect by Muslims.

      So Muhammad is a diety to Muslims at least as much as Jesus represents a diety to Christians.

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    53. Well, based on your last comment you know about as much about religion as Ann Coulter.

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    54. Hey Troll Texan check this out, apparently your boy Rove doesnt sipport freedom of speech and doesnt feel blogs or the Internet should be used to communicate and convey opinions.....at least for the left, see he knows the Reich Wing controls the MSM and would prefer if the opposition had no voice at all to challenge his rhetoric, oh yeah and he characterizes anyone who doesnt agree or speaks out as "out of the mainstream" radical far left wing. here's the post Troll Texan:

      Karl Rove attacks the blogosphere. “The Internet for the Left…has served as a way to mobilize hate and anger — hate and anger, first and foremost, at this President and Conservatives, but then also at people within their own party whom they consider to be less than completely loyal to this very narrow, very out-of-the-mainstream, very far Left-wing ideology that they tend to represent.” June 16, 2006 2:37 pm | Comment (213)

      Filed under:
      Posted by Faiz June 16, 2006 2:37 pm

      Permalink | Comment (213)

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    55. Just posted some photos of Rene and Mike on the blog. More coming of others.

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    56. Freedom Fan said: "It is really Muhammad that Muslims worship. This can easily be established by reading the quran and noting where the references to Him (Allah) and me (Muhammad) are used interchangeably. These can not be dismissed as mistakes because the quran is considered to be literally perfect by Muslims."

      SO MUSLIMS AND FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM: they "worship the letter over the spirit" (dogma and ritual over love.) Christ told us to not bother with rituals and religiosity. He didn't want us to WORSHIP him; he wanted us to abide in love for one another. He didn't want us to focus on his personality or "Jesusness." The one thing that upset him was overly religious people who put letter and law over spirit. The Golden rule is the only thing that mattered to jesus, and the religious fundamentalists of today have completely missed Christ's point.

      WHY DOESN'T ANYONE GET THIS, the ONLY THING CHRIST CARED ABOUT OR THOUGHT WAS VITALLY IMPORTANT?

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    57. and by the way, we are all sons of God. That's what we are supposed to do: express the same Christlike Godliness Jesus expressed. "And these signs shall follow those who believe: they shall lay hands on the sick and raise the dead." Jesus wanted us to know we are all supposed to do the same miracles he did.

      We are not separate. Sin is separation from God.
      John: "And is it not written ye are all Gods? (part of God?)

      Most our problems in life (sin) and inability to heal or forgive, or not fight or walk the way Christ walked -- stem from believing we are separate; believing in duality, thinking God is outside of ourselves. Jesus was humble and said the kingdgom is within us. Not outside us.

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    58. SO MUSLIMS AND FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM: they "worship the letter over the spirit" (dogma and ritual over love.) … The one thing that upset him was overly religious people who put letter and law over spirit. The Golden rule is the only thing that mattered to Jesus…
      -Lydia Cornell

      Precisely right. But what Liberals miss by always focusing on similarities and moral equivalence, is that Islam is fundamentally -- at its very core --different from Christianity and all other major religions:

      Islam does not recognize or encourage following the Golden Rule! (A challenge: Please try to prove me wrong using just one quote from the quran.)

      Islam is entirely about following exactly what Muhammad did down to the last mundane detail of daily existence; and Muhammad set the worst possible example of how to live.

      Fortunately the vast majority of Muslims are good people – just bad Muslims. But in dar al-Islam, bad Muslims are forced to become good Muslims or die.

      Bad Christians become the life of the party.

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    59. It's really difficult to believe Carl is a preacher. I guess that's what happens when you're "masturbating for peace" constantly....

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    60. Mike

      NO WAY....... thats not you!!

      I envisioned you to look like the guy in the fat chick, chicken dance video...LOL!

      I'm a little stunned right now because I cant believe your a real human being; I feel a little ashamed for all the mean things I ever said.


      I did read your posts.

      I do, 100%, believe in a "general" kind of civilty and peace for all mankind. I also believe life is somewhat spiritual, however, not to the point where we sacrifice our emotional well being by placing blind faith in fantasy.

      I have met many unbalanced individuals who were absolutely convinced God/Jesus would solve all their life's miseries with His all powerful love, thus taking little initiative/responsibility to find strentgh within themselves to face the harsh realities of life; I am convinced this leads to extreme neurotic behavior......some are complete cukoo's. LOL

      And when God fails to show up and
      aid their pitiful existence, they always invent comical excuses for His negligence.

      Im just saying we as humans should trust, persevere, and find strength within ourselves before placing faith in to good to be true illusions.

      I am my own best psychologist and truly know in my heart there is only one person who will guide/help me through this journey called life......myself!

      Also, love is a much too complicated and indescribable an emotion to simply classify as the answer to eternal bliss......love also brings conflict and pain and is no match for controversy.

      As for hope and faith, I believe these are EXCELLENT qualities everyone should embrace furiously. However, I suggest there are limits.....period!

      You really should see the movie "Donnie Darko."

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    61. Voltaire said

      "Unlike Worf, Clif and Mike,
      There IS hope for you yet Johnny.
      Just turn off "Groundhog Day" and take the red pill this time...."

      Thanx Volt, but Im a moderate at heart! Both sides make valid, impressive points.

      Sometimes we have to operate from strength and sometimes its necessary to stay frosty and chill out.

      Depends on the circumstance or situation.

      Besides, conservatives up here just banned smoking on a outdoor patio if the umbrella is up..lol? :|

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    62. FF

      I was completely unprepared for your spiritual tree.

      LOL

      :D

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    63. “The entire country may disagree with me, but I don’t understand the necessity for patriotism,” Maines resumes, through gritted teeth. “Why do you have to be a patriot? About what? This land is our land? Why? You can like where you live and like your life, but as for loving the whole country… I don’t see why people care about patriotism.”

      Gee, didn't she GET MAD when they QUESTIONED her patriotism?

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    64. Anonymous9:45 PM

      Overly patriotic people can become too nationalistic and chauvinistic, which is just another word for ME-ME-ME-ism or of course, NAZISM...

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    65. FREEDOM FAN - I just looked at your beaver tree. That is pretty funny.

      Worfeus and Johnny Moo Moo -- do you want me to post the photos I have of you? Or do you want to remain anonymous?

      FF - please send me a photo of yourself, and Voltaire.

      Carl too.Congrats Carl on the big news!!

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    66. Looks nothing like a beaver.

      Looks more like a chick on her back.....ah nevermind...

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    67. Regarding Christians "siding with Hitler":...

      " Nazi-Fascism persecution of Christians

      Although less programmatically hostile to Christianity as such than was the Soviet Union, and far less hostile to Christianity than to Judaism, which the Nazis sought to exterminate in the Holocaust throughout the Third Reich and lands that came under Nazi rule, Nazi totalitarianism demanded that all religious activity conform to the desires of Nazi leadership. Although an attempt by Alfred Rosenberg to restore an "Aryan" paganism came to no fruition except in some inner circles of the party and the SS, Christian churches were obliged to accept the racist doctrines of Nazism. The Gestapo monitored Christian clergy and congregations for any semblance of dissent with Nazi policies, and many Christian clergy and laymen ended up in concentration camps when they asserted opposition to the teachings and practices of Nazism or if they acted upon pacifist convictions (like many Jehovah's Witnesses and some Confessing Church members). During the early part of the Nazi rule, the "German Christians" were an important pseudo-protestant tool of the regime to bring about the Gleichschaltung of the churches.

      The expansion of Nazi Germany and the establishment of Nazi rule in occupied countries brought about persecutions ranging from those characteristic in Germany itself to conditions approaching those of the Soviet Union. Catholic priests in Poland preceded even Jews to the concentration camps; many were murdered in the liquidation of the Polish intelligentsia."

      http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians

      "Nazi testimony regarding the period of WW2 reveals a deep contempt for Christianity within the Nazi Party. Nazi totalitarianism demanded that all religious activity conform to the desires of Nazi leadership, Christian churches were forced to accept the racist doctrines of Nazism under threat of imprisonment in concentration camps, and the Gestapo monitored Christian clergy and congregations for any semblance of dissent with Nazi policies. And while much is made of the alleged "silence" of Pius XII during the Nazi persecution of the Jews, little is mentioned regarding the systematic persecution that Catholics and Christians underwent at the hands of the Nazis.

      The clergy, hierarchy and Vatican were vilified by the Nazi leadership as poisoners of German blood, race-death merchants, race-swamp promoters, race contaminators, race-chaos merchants, obscurantists or "men of shadows," sorcerers of Rome, and, referring to the Jewish roots of Christianity, as advocates of perverted "Orientalism." Catholic newspapers were banned, Jesus was portrayed an an unwitting tool of Jewish world conspirators, brown shirt gangs broke up meetings of Christian trade unions and the Catholic Center Party, thousands of Catholic Center Party supporters were placed in concentration camps, and while the Catholic Church found it necessary to enter into an agreement with Hitler's government (which has been regarded as a move of "necessary evil" in order to protect as many of their members as possible from persecution and torture at the hands of what was then recognized throughout Europe as a legitimate governmental body), Catholic schools and trade unions were still dismantled, clergy members imprisoned, and threats, bribes, brutal nighttime interrogations and nervous breakdowns were reported along with stories of priests thrown out of windows, children arrested, families imprisoned and thousands of believers denied employment with the State unless they renounced their religion."

      http://www.homocon.com/archives/2005/05/those_awful_chr.html

      liberalslikechrist.com LIES!
      Just MORE revisionist history.

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    68. And worf, YOU as a biblical scholar should know and denounce this as the bullshit that it is....

      And carl a "minister" can't even belch up some token anger at his religeon being besmirched...(I forgot, he's too busy "masturbating for peace"...)

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    69. What about the rest of the world?

      Did it not know the intentions
      of the Third Reich?

      Did it not hear the words
      of Hitler's broadcasts all over the world?

      Did it not read his intentions
      in Mein Kampf...

      published in every corner of the world?

      Where is the responsibility
      of the Soviet Union...

      who signed in the pact with Hitler...

      enabling him to make war?

      Are we now to find Russia guilty?


      Where is the responsibility of the Vatican...

      who signed in the concordat
      with Hitler...

      giving him his first tremendous prestige?

      Are we now to find the Vatican guilty?

      Where is the responsibility
      of the world leader Winston Churchill...

      who said in an open letter
      to the London Times:

      "Were England to suffer a national disaster, I should pray to God...

      "to send a man of the strength of mind and will of an Adolf Hitler."

      Are we now to find Winston Churchill guilty?


      Where is the responsibility
      of those American industrialists...

      who helped Hitler to rebuild his armaments, and profited by that rebuilding?

      Are we now to find
      the American industrialists guilty?

      No, Your Honor.

      Germany alone is not guilty.

      The whole world is as responsible for Hitler as Germany.

      It is an easy thing
      to condemn one man in the dock.

      It's easy to condemn the German people...

      to speak of the basic flaw
      in the German character...

      that allowed Hitler to rise to power, but also...

      comfortably ignore
      the basic flaw of character...

      that made the Russians sign pacts with him,

      Winston Churchill praise him...

      American industrialists profit by him.


      Judgment at Nuremberg
      1961

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    70. Lyd

      If Worf allows his pic to be posted, then you can post the first pic of me by my truck and the graduate one of Miss moo moo.

      BTW, love your blue dress.

      Also, I occasionally think of the late Douglas Barber.....cheers to Doug Basham!

      http://www.dougbasham.com/12-16-05DouglasBarber.mp3

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    71. Voltaire said "Although less programmatically hostile to Christianity as such than was the Soviet Union, and far less hostile to Christianity than to Judaism, which the Nazis sought to exterminate in the Holocaust throughout the Third Reich and lands that came under Nazi rule, Nazi totalitarianism demanded that all religious activity conform to the desires of Nazi leadership. Although an attempt by Alfred Rosenberg to restore an "Aryan" paganism came to no fruition except in some inner circles of the party and the SS, Christian churches were obliged to accept the racist doctrines of Nazism. The Gestapo monitored Christian clergy and congregations for any semblance of dissent with Nazi policies, and many Christian clergy and laymen ended up in concentration camps when they asserted opposition to the teachings and practices of Nazism or if they acted upon pacifist convictions (like many Jehovah's Witnesses and some Confessing Church members)."


      Use your head Voltaire, she is talking about early in the game during Hitler's rise to power, before he seized ultimate power and could have any one who spoke out or opposed him killed or imprisoned at will. It takes a long time to develop[ something like the SS and seize the kind of ultimate power to have people killed and imprisoned like he did and Lydia is absolutely right, if the Christians had opposed him early in the game chances are he wouldnted have gained that ultimate power, thats why you need to be extremely careful when you see a bunch of powermad megalomaniacs running your country because its basically speak up and oppose them early in the game before they seize total power where they can have their enemies and political opponents imprisoned or killed and its too late.

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    72. Johnny said "If Worf allows his pic to be posted, then you can post the first pic of me by my truck and the graduate one of Miss moo moo."

      Worf sent Lydia his picture, LOL, now that one blows me out of the water, you guys gotta let her post them, even though you didnt make it to vegas.

      BTW Johnny, that was a good post and very interesting, and your right there is enough blame for Hitler and the Nazi's to go around, but that doesnt make what Lyd and liberalslikechrist.com said wrong, see the German people saw the signs of what was happening MUCH earlier than the rest of the world, and if they had opposed him early in the game, instead of either supporting him or looking the other way, before he seized the kind of ultimate power required to imprison, torture or kill anyone who spoke out and/or opposed him, he may never have gained that type of power and the Holocaust and WW2 may never have happened.

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    73. You forget that the christians in germany had no outside support. The nazis were recognized throughout europe at the time as the 'legitimate' government of germany.

      They didn't "choose" to side with Hitler, it was side with Hitler or die....(and many of them did die)

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    74. Johnny said;

      I'm a little stunned right now because I cant believe your a real human being

      What Johnny meant to say is he's a little stunned right now, cause he can't believe your a real BIG human being.

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    75. Voltaire,

      What you and FF are clearly ignoring, is that Hitler was a Christian, and "Die Tausend Jarh Reich" was named for the thousand year reign of Christ on the earth, that follows the last great earthly battle.

      The Swastika itself was merely a bent cross, and one of the highest honors in the german army was the award of the Iron Cross, which was merely the Maltese Cross.

      In fact, Germany adorned their aircraft, tanks, and other vehicles with the Maltese Cross.

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    76. In Hitlers mind, he was merely doing Gods work, bringing justice to the Jews for killing Christ, and cleansing the earth of the heathen races.

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    77. Mike said

      "see the German people saw the signs of what was happening MUCH earlier than the rest of the world,"

      Mike.....Puhlezzzzzzzzzzzze!

      Think harder!!

      The REAL POWER does not come from ordinary simple peasents; they can easily be manipulated.

      The "Treaty of Versailles" (allied punishment)pretty much guaranteed Hitlers rise to power.....simple folk may have supported Elmer Fudd into power to escape the suffering of harsh allied punishment.

      The world is responsible for his rise to power.....especially those with influence and power!

      Also, Hitler really wasnt voted into power by the people; although his party was the largest, he was appointed Chancellor by a reluctant President Hindenburg in 1933.

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    78. BTW Mike, you look like a very cool dude in your picture with Lyd.

      You look like someone I would've been friends with. Someone I would've hung with back in the day.

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    79. Hitler loathed communism and their banning of religion.

      When the German army invaded Russia, many Ukranian town officials, feeling liberated, approached Wehrmacht officers asking if they could go to church and pray.....they were cheerfully allowed!

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    80. Flavius Worfeus said

      "The Swastika itself was merely a bent cross,"

      From what I remember its an old Chinese symbol or something with no relevance to religion...I could be wrong though.

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    81. freddie the trollbasher1:03 PM

      "DELIVERANCE"

      Mountain Man: Now, let's you just drop them pants.
      Bobby: Drop?
      Mountain Man: Just take 'em right off.
      Bobby: I-I mean, what's this all about?
      Toothless Man: Don't say anything, just do it.
      Mountain Man: Just drop 'em, boy. (To Ed - at knifepoint) You ever had your b---s cut off, you f--kin' ape? Looky there, that's sharp. Bet it would shave a hair.
      Toothless Man: Why don't you try it and see? (To Bobby) Take off that little ol' bitty shirt there, too. (To Mountain Man) Did he bleed?
      Mountain Man: He bled. (To Bobby) Them panties. Take 'em off. (After attacking him) Hey boy, you look just like a hog....(Holding Bobby's nose as he straddles him from behind) Come on piggy, give me a ride...Looks like we got us a sow here, instead of a boar....I bet you can squeal like a pig.
      Bobby: Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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    82. Notice the stark similarities between Hitler's rise to power and Bush and the Republicans rise using the " Religious Right"?

      Notice how few of the " Religious Right" are spewing their Bush propaganda since the country is falling apart?

      Are the "Religious Right" really supporting the Bush agenda since the country is in the toilet, or are they keeping their propaganda down in fear that their congregations, that has believed their promoting Bush and the Republicans all these years, have finally seen the truth?

      Aren't their a lot of similarities in Bush and Hitler's rise to power?

      If the normal churchgoers had resisted the propaganda of the "Religious Right", we wouldn't be stuck with Bush and the Republican majority.

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    83. You're absolutely right Larry. In fact, just this last week with the death of Zarqawi and the announcement that Turdblossoms not going to be indicted, the right wing is back on the war wagon, using the same tactics that Goering and the other pigs used to convince a nation into war.

      Now the right is back to calling us cowards, traitors and weak.

      Its the same old twisted 3rd reich routine, and they're beating the war drum hard.

      With us or against us is their motto.

      So, guess that makes me against them.

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    84. Johnny PorkPie said;

      From what I remember its an old Chinese symbol or something with no relevance to religion...I could be wrong though.


      Yes, you could be. And you are.

      Well, technically its been used by many nations, and people to symbolize everything from the Arian God Zeus to Chinese happy symbols.

      Actually Hitler got the design for the sawastika flag, the black sawastika on a white and red background, from a dentist from Sternberg named Krohn.

      The sawastika itself of course was only part of the flag, but it was the most symbolic part, and played a role in the idea of a pure, aryan Christian nation which it is mainly representative of.

      In fact, the real name for sawastika is a "hakkors" which literally means, " A Hooked Cross".

      In fact, in 1907 it was the sign of the "Order of the New Templars.

      The Templars as you know, are as Christian as a Christmas tree, which influenced Krohns and Hitlers idea of using it to represent the reich.

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    85. The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

      All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

      Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

      National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

      10th October, 1941, midday:

      Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

      14th October, 1941, midday:

      The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

      19th October, 1941, night:

      The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

      21st October, 1941, midday:

      Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

      13th December, 1941, midnight:

      Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

      14th December, 1941, midday:

      Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

      9th April, 1942, dinner:

      There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

      27th February, 1942, midday:

      It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)

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    86. LOL, Voltaire, buddy.

      I thought you were smarter that this.

      First, plagerizing a webpage does not constitute "proof" as you call it.

      Save for a few words you didn't even write the intro!

      For those of you interested here is where Voltaire found his "quotes" on the Internet

      http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html

      OR CLICK HERE

      The site, Answers in Action, is a Answers In Action is as they describe themselves, "a dynamic non-profit, evangelical, Christian
      orginization",
      , and they are trying to distance themselves from Hitler, as supposedly pious Christian groups have been doing for the last 50 years.

      The truth is, Hitler was a Christian, and the Nazi Party was a party steeped in Christian and religious dogma, ideals and belief systems.

      Hitler himself was a Catholic, and this is a matter of record.

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    87. And obviously Voltaire does not know much about WW2 Germany, or their military.

      Otherwise he would know, like my good buddy Johnny Moo Moo would be happy to tell him, that on every German SS Soldiers belt buckle, was the inscription, Gott Mit Uns, which means literally, "God is with us".

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    88. Or perhaps Voltaire has never read the infamous, "25 Points", the official manifesto of the Nazi Party.

      If he had, he would know that the "24th Point", reads;

      As such the Party represents a positively Christian position without binding itself to one particular faith.

      See, the OFFICIAL position of the Nazi Party, the OFFICIAL declarations, were that they were Christians, and pure above all other races.

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    89. Or perhaps he would have read, like I know my good buddy Johnny has read, the official Nazi Party's "Concordat with the Catholic Church, where in Article 21 it clearly states, Catholic religious instruction in elementary, senior, secondary and vocational schools constitutes a regular portion of the curriculum, and is to be taught in accordance with the principles of the Catholic Church.

      In religious instruction, special care will be taken to inculcate patriotic, civic and social consciousness and sense of duty in the spirit of the Christian Faith and the moral code, precisely as in the case of other subjects.
      .

      Gee, now why does that remind me of something?

      Oh yea, "Faith Based Initiatives".

      Yea, thats the ticket.

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    90. Christ was an Aryan.

      But Paul used his teachings to mobilize the underworld and organize a proto-bolshevism.

      With its breakdown, the beautiful clarity of the ancient world was lost.


      Adolph Hitler as quoted by Martin Bormann in "Hitlers Table Talk".

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    91. Article 24 of the party program demanded:

      " Liberty for all religious denominations in the State so far as they are not a danger to the moral feelings of the German race."

      William L Shirer

      Hitler challenged Christianity for failing to recognize the racial problem.

      He was greatly influenced by Hegel, Fichte, Nietzsche, and Wagner.

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    92. " Im gripped by a great sadness-as when one strips the Christmas tree of its ornaments."

      Adolph Hitler
      Day after Bayreuth Festival

      Unlike Stalin, Hitler didnt ban religion, he basically wanted religious groups to see his point of view.

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    93. Your second post is correct Johnny.

      Hitler did indeed try to "shape" Christianity, much like the Conservative Repulicans are doing today.


      Thats why if you look at the quote I just posted of Hitler saying Christ was an Aryan, and not a Jew, that you will see just how Hitler viewed religion, and the idea of Christ.

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    94. Nevertheless, Voltaires qoutes are excellent in showing Hitlers charged emotions and troubled state of mind from the stress of war.... Hitler changed his policies more often than I change my underwear....

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    95. But as for your first post, where you posted the first sentence of article 24, as if to make it look like I misquoted, which I did not, I am not sure what your point is.

      Hitler WAS a Christian, the Nazi Party WERE Christians, and Hitler, and the Nazi party believed they were implementing the thousand year reign of Christ, or "die Tausend Jarh Reich".

      This is fact.

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    96. And only right wing fools dispute it, trying to draw attention away from the myriad of striking similarities between the rise of the Bush regime, and the Rise of the Hilter regime.

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    97. The full quote, since you wanted to include the first half of this excerpt, is as follows.

      We demand the freedom of religion in the Reich so long as they do not endanger the position of the state or adversely affect the moral standards of the German race.

      As such the Party represents a positively Christian position without binding itself to one particular faith


      The 25 Points (Of the Nazi Party)
      Germany, 1920

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    98. Also I can't help but notice how easily you completely ignored my quotes from the 1933 Nazi Concordat with the Catholic Church.

      I guess that one hit too close to home for a right winger like you huh?

      Wait, you're not a right winger. You're a fence sitter. Thats right.

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    99. And being a WW2 historian, I am baffled by your omittance of the fact that the crack SS, Hitlers Pratorion Guard, had inscribed by order of der Fuhrer himself, the clear and pious statement, GOTT MIT UNS. (GOD IS WITH US).

      I guess that one got overlooked huh?

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    100. Johnny Troll said;

      Nevertheless, Voltaires qoutes are excellent in showing Hitlers charged emotions and troubled state of mind from the stress of war...

      No they weren't. In fact, many of those Hitler never said. If you study the differences in the translations, and learn about how Bormann and others added the words, "Christianity" to most of it, or changed the meanings to reflect their aetheist views, you'd know that.

      Most of what he printed is not believed in real scholarly circles, to be from Hitler. They are 2nd hand quotes translated from German to French, and appened by various individuals, including Martin Bormann.

      And your stressing them to try and sound smart, and his reprinting them, does nothing but muddy the waters more, and take away from the plain and self evident truth, that relgion and power do not mix, and that both then and now, corrupt zealous Christians can turn the world upside down, and cause the death and suffering of millions.

      If you're not a troll Johnny, like I always say, you should look into becoming one.

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    101. Hitler was a Christian, and he warped Christianity, like Bush and Rove are doing today, to make people believe that believing in Christ meant killing those who don't.

      And those who don't believe in him the way you believe in him.

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    102. The most marvelous proof of the superiority of Man, which puts man ahead of the animals, is the fact that he understands that there must be a Creator

      Adolph Hitler
      As quoted from Picker's original manuscript of "Hitlers Table Talk"
      February 27, 1942

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    103. I was the one who brought up the Concordat first Worf, which of course Hitler broke days later.

      As for "Gott Mitt Uns", thats a chapter in what you know is my bible......The Forgotten Soldier!

      And yes, someone did try to prove Jesus was Aryan, but it wasnt Hitler.

      Not easy blogging while trying to watch Sean Penn in the movie "The Interpreter."

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    104. Of course, rather than quoting 3rd party hearsay comments, why not quote the author himself? After all, anyone knowledgeable in Adolph Hitler would have naturally read Mein Kampf, which I myself read in the public library when I was 15.

      Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator.

      By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work."


      Adoplh Hitler
      Mein Kampf

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    105. Here, let me post that again, in case there its not clear for you Neitzists out there who want to wax philosophical on us.

      Let me repost that one, so we can be clear WHAT Hitler believed.

      Because HIS OWN WORDS say so much.

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    106. Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator.

      By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work


      Adolph Hitler
      Mein Kampf

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    107. Gee, kinda says it all, don't it?

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    108. God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.

      If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them


      George W Bush
      June 25th 2003

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    109. Worfeus said "Hitler did indeed try to "shape" Christianity, much like the Conservative Repulicans are doing today.

      And only right wing fools dispute it, trying to draw attention away from the myriad of striking similarities between the rise of the Bush regime, and the Rise of the Hilter regime."

      Excellent posts Worf, and like i've said many times before the similarities are chilling to people with their eyes and minds open enough to see what is really going on. In fact the right wingnuts who would dispute the comparison are either completely deluded and ignorant of what is actually going on,or afraid to take off the rose colored glasses and see what our country has become as a result of their leader's corrupt megalomaniac policies and poor leadership or are partisen hacks punch drunk on their party's koolaid and supposed omnipotence and determined to deceive the masses with their poisonous rhetoric, fear tactics,patriotic bravado and war wongering.

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    110. Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator.

      By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord's Work


      Adolph Hitler
      Mein Kampf

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    111. You know it Mike! The similarities are sooooooooo striking, that you'd have to go well out of your way to try and dismiss them, or ignore them.

      These guys are just decieving themselves.

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    112. If I didn't know better, (and I don't), I'd say Rove and Bush actually belong to some sort of "Adolph Hitler" fan club or something.

      Its like they took their lessons from Mein Kampf and the writings of Bormann, Speers and Goering, and set out to conqueor the world.

      And I can't help but notice that Bush is from Germany, and Karl Rove spells his name with the German spelling for "Karl".

      Hmmmmm.....

      SEIG HEIL!!!

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    113. Worf

      Do you mean "Mein Kampf" the book Hitler himself dismissed in front of Speer years later....LOL!

      Worf reads Mein Kampf and thinks he knows everything.

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    114. Of course, everyone likes to conveniently ignore the fact the Bush's Granddaddy, Bush seniors father, had his assets seized by the FBI for TRADING WITH THE NAZI's in WW2, and helping them build the CONCENTRATION CAMPS!

      Little things like that guys like Johnny TrueBlue and Voltaire love to ignore.

      I mean, who cares if just one generation back the President of the United States Father, and the current Presidents grandfather, was a TRAITOR and a NAZI SYMPATHIZER?

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    115. Worfues said "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East.

      If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them"


      George W Bush"

      yikes the thought of God talking to GWB has me contemplating becoming an atheist LOL :D

      seriously though doesnt that unnerve you or make you uneasy that we have a leader claiming god is telling him what to do and justifying his actions(gee Ann Coulter hates people with unassailable positions speaking out politically, wonder if ann the hippocrite has a problem with people hiding behind god to justify their political views???), even worse god is telling him to wage war preemptively without considering the senseless loss of life and weakening of our military and economy, wonder if god is telling him to nuke other countries pre-emptively now, or thats just his own delusions of grandeur.... or maybe its not god talking to Bush, maybe that schzizo is such a certifiable wacco he actually hears voices telling him what to do, schzizophenia usually sets in any time after the age of 30 I believe.

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    116. So you're dismissing Mein Kampf?


      Thats the best you got Johnny?

      Suddenly everything Hitler wrote about his OWN life and beliefs, is just tossed out, because years later, heavily medicated and growing ever madder, because Speers said he denounced it?

      Maybe I was wrong.

      Maybe you need more practice before applying to troll school, cause you suck.

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    117. What unnerves me more Mike, is there are fools here too far gone with their own self aggrendizing, can't see that he is.

      Bush is scary, but the fools who downplay him, dismiss him, or follow him, are even scarier.

      Because its they who keep him in power.

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    118. Worf said "Bush is scary, but the fools who downplay him, dismiss him, or follow him, are even scarier.

      Because its they who keep him in power."

      Agreed!

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    119. Everything unnerves Flavius.......hes sooooooooo smart, except I find it odd he denounces violence but has little tolerance for trolls whos balls he wants to shove down their throat....LOL

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    120. Geez worf,

      In another couple of years there'll be an election. Bush will be gone. What bogeyman will get you then?

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    121. I'm sure in the mid 30's there were plenty of Voltaires and Tall Texans touting his praises, and plenty of Johnny Moo Moos trying to sound smart, and laughing at "the little Corporal from Austria", talking about how the "Leftist Jews" were just making much ado about nothing.

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    122. You know, i'm probably going to take some flack for this, but I found it seriously unnerving and kinda scarry when voltaire said he was for exterminating close to 2 billion muslims if they did not convert to Christianity and agree to be "deprogrammed" (which is really a kinder gentler word for torture)

      Now we have had some good conversations and I don't think Voltaire is completely evil or irredeemable, but its just kind of hard for me to get past someone argueing for the genocide of almost 2 billion people like it is nothing, and just think if thats how mainstream republicans really think, I wonder what the hardline pro war Neo Cons or the radical religious right really think about this?????

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    123. Voltaire said...
      Geez worf,

      In another couple of years there'll be an election. Bush will be gone. What bogeyman will get you then?


      Well assuming you clowns don't try to elect the head of the KKK or anything, I imagine I can go back to ignoring politics and auch like I did for the first 43 years of my life, and concentrate on making money, a passion I am sure we both share.

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    124. Speak of the devil, so Voltaire, did I start WW3 by bringing up old wounds???

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    125. Johnny Troll Pie said...
      Everything unnerves Flavius.......hes sooooooooo smart, except I find it odd he denounces violence but has little tolerance for trolls whos balls he wants to shove down their throat....LOL

      And everytime I clobber you in a debate, you revert to this same silly taunt, attacking the messenger because you can't kill the message, like most right wing trolls.

      You may have these nice people fooled, but I read you like a book.

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    126. BTW, What plagurism? Did I not attribute the quotes to the following book?

      "The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States."

      What difference does it make what WEB page they came from, when they're attributed to this book?

      As to the rest, you're correct. I'm not a WWII historian, and haven't heard of the concordant or whatever...

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    127. Ok Worf, Ill say it again:

      Politics and religion dont mix and I oppose the war in Iraq.

      Happy?

      Like as if we havent had conversations before agreeing on this topic.

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    128. Mike said...
      You know, i'm probably going to take some flack for this, but I found it seriously unnerving and kinda scarry when voltaire said he was for exterminating close to 2 billion muslims if they did not convert to Christianity and agree to be "deprogrammed"

      Not from me you won't.

      People are so flippent with saying crap like that today, which makes me believe that at least a 3rd of this country think exactly as the Nazi's, and are capable of tolerating and even supporting such a henious crime against humanity.

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    129. Johnny Pork Pie moo moo said...
      Ok Worf, Ill say it again:

      Politics and religion dont mix and I oppose the war in Iraq.

      Happy?


      Well maybe I would be if EVERYTHING else you post says otherwise.

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    130. Mikey, the only old wounds you're opening are those head wounds of yours.

      I NEVER advocated "genocide". I DID however advocate "deprogramming". If it is indeed torture as you call it, it's been done to numerous cult followers worldwide. I'm not sure but I don't think it led to many if any deaths...

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    131. Thank you Dr Mengele.

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    132. All it would really require after subduing the region would be to send in the missionaries much like we did to Japan. Who in case you haven't noticed have been a really great ally the last 60 or so years.

      Does it make any sense to any of you that some of our greatest allies historically happen to be countries whose ass we whipped?

      So, all I'm saying is let the ass whipping begin! Then send in the missionaries and 'voila! A new era of world peace. Exactly what you're looking for...

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    133. Like I said, thank you Doctor Mengele.

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    134. And I NEVER said they had to "agree" to be deprogrammed...

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    135. Voltaire, You said "kill their leaders, and kill the ones who refuse to convert to Christianity and be "deprogrammed", now with close to 2 billion Muslims in the world in a great many countries, i'm kinda curious as to how you would choose to go about this logistically?, I mean should we basically start invading all the non Christian countries in Asia and Africa then build concentration camps to either "deprogram" and convert the ones who agree and exterminate the ones who don't, a pretty ambitious undertaking for close to 1/3 of the worlds population, or is your thinking what most republicans would consider more practical and less ambitious, more along the lines of only invading, conquoring and building concentration camps to "deprogram" or exterminate those countries with LOTS of oil and natural gas, just curious???????

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    136. Lydia has the quotes of what you said saved somewhere, in fact our little exchange made her main blog, I know exactly what you said and i'm sure a great many other people remember it as well.

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    137. Mike, he's out there. I like Voltaire as trolls go, but hes out there as far as human beings go.

      Something corrupted his mind a long time ago, which is the only thing that can account for his advocating the miltary conquest of the planet, and the invasion of every nation that he doesn't like.

      Now I know why God gave the Russians and the Chinese nukes.

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    138. Christ was the greatest early fighter in the battle against the world enemy, the Jews ...

      The work that Christ started but could not finish, I, Adolf Hitler, will conclude."


      Adolf Hitler
      Christmas 1926

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    139. Voltair before you advocate attemting to "deprogram" almost 2 billion people against their will...and"ass kicking" them first, as a former military officer I for one would suggest you to check out the historical perspective of tyhose who have tried that before...ie the British after WW1 in Iraq...they "cut and ran" back to england ...anbd The USSR in afghanistan hint they were defeated by some of the same people we fight now....and these people are usinfg the same tactics against us...AND THIS YEAR...YEAR 4..the fighting is intensifying..getting worse...we are flying more bombing missions in Afghganistan that Iraq...think about that

      U.S. Airstrikes Rise In Afghanistan as Fighting Intensifies
      In Response to More Aggressive Taliban, Attacks Are Double Those in Iraq War

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700784.html

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/
      content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700784.html

      both campaigns were poorly planned...and it shows, and now both are falling apartgiven that it took eight years for the Afghan rebels to defeat the USSR the fact that they still have the stomache for a fight 4 years into this war leaves me not feeling good for our prospects for defeating them unless we want to do things that would have made himmler and hitler proud

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    140. clif said...
      Voltair before you advocate attemting to "deprogram" almost 2 billion people against their will...and"ass kicking" them first, as a former military officer I for one would suggest you to check out the historical perspective of tyhose who have tried that before...ie the British after WW1 in Iraq...


      And if that doesn't work for you Volt buddy, I suggest a thorough reading of "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire".

      Its a real page turner.

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    141. Like I said, now I know why God gave the Russians and the Chinese nukes.

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    142. Oh and by the way Johnny, in case you were afraid I forgot you, while you're sitting there reeling from the stinging from my rapid fire facts, you might consider the fact, that even though you now assert that even though Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, he really didn't mean it, that Mein Kampf is not the ONLY place where he made that statement.

      "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."

      Adolph Hitler
      Germany 1938
      The "Reichstag" Speech.

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    143. What? You mean you don't want to dismiss that one too, by saying he really didn't mean it?

      Hmmm, maybe I'd better post it again. Just in case you missed it?

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    144. "I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.

      By warding off the Jews, I am fighting for the Lord's work."


      Adolph Hitler
      Germany 1938
      The "Reichstag" Speech.

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    145. So you see Johnnytroll, those are just a FEW of the reasons historians throughout the years have been able to demonstrate Hitlers obsession with God, Christianty and the Jewish religion, and the Nazi parties claims to Christian values, ideals and beliefs.

      Or did you think they just imprinted on every SS Belt Buckle the words, GOD IS WITH US, because they didn't believe in God?

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    146. So I guess all the christians just said "yeah whatever, Go Hitler!"???

      I still think the threat of death or torture held some sway there don't you?

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    147. Well, I'm not staying up late tonight. It's time for a cold beverage, and some news (fair and balanced of course!) and then bed. Ya'll can have at it...

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    148. Voltaire said...

      I still think the threat of death or torture held some sway there don't you?


      Sure, kinda like today?

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    149. Dude, nice afro.

      But cut down on the Jolt colas.

      Your eyes are bugging out of their sockets.

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    150. Oh, and Mikey...

      We could START with the ones with lots of oil and natural gas. It could help against the others....LOL

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    151. After all, we're AMERICANS!

      We should be able to go anywhere in the world and say, "GIVE US YOUR WOMEN!"

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    152. Voltaire said...
      So I guess all the christians just said "yeah whatever, Go Hitler!"???

      No, it was more like, oh he's not so bad, or he's protecting the country by taking the fight to the enemy, "he's keeping us safe".

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    153. But it was nice the way you just sorta, picked up the slack on Johnnys argument like that.

      Almost like you were making it yourself, you know?

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    154. Voltaire said...

      So I guess all the christians just said "yeah whatever, Go Hitler!"???

      I still think the threat of death or torture held some sway there don't you?

      NBot in 1929...till about 1935...by then Hitler held absolute power and he could threaten death...but if he had been stood up to in say 1932 or 33 he would have not gotten away with all he did...sort of like standing up to the neo-con christofascists today

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    155. Here, here's another oldie but a goodie, for Iamnotatroll Johnny.

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    156. I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so

      Adolf Hitler
      1941

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    157. I like Johnny, and you guys pick on him way too much.

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    158. There ya go Johnny! The kiss of death!....LOL

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    159. Voltaire said...
      I like Johnny.


      Yea I'm sure you do.

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    160. Clif said "I still think the threat of death or torture held some sway there don't you?

      NBot in 1929...till about 1935...by then Hitler held absolute power and he could threaten death...but if he had been stood up to in say 1932 or 33 he would have not gotten away with all he did...sort of like standing up to the neo-con christofascists today"

      great post Clif, i've said the same thing basically about 4 times in the current thread, in fact i've been saying that for about 6 months now.

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    161. Agreed Mike.

      Theres an old Indian saying, and it goes like this.

      How do you eat an elephant?

      Why one bite at a time, of course

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    162. Worf said

      "And everytime I clobber you in a debate"

      What debate Flavius? I simply pointed out the world was responsible for Hitlers rise to power and you ignored this extremely important FACT!!!

      You blow and suck extra hard.

      And you EAGERLY attempted to discredit me because I failed to instantly define Got Mitt Uns for Volt.

      Gimmee a break!

      Your ego has a ferocious apetite...LOL

      I qouted Article 24 and you didnt like it.....period! You were attempting to look smarter than me with your ongoing googling......LOL!

      I dont google!

      Also, your overemphasizing Hitler being a christian......BIG TIME!

      Ok Worf the googler, tell us all which one of Hitlers warped buddies tried to prove Jesus was Aryan?

      And what about the worlds responsibility? You seem to be ignoring this?

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    163. One more thing Johnny, Volt, and anyone else who'd care to listen, perhaps Hitlers most triumphant demonstration of his Catholicism, was the fact that following an daring assasination attempt on his life in Munich, 1939, the POPE HIMSELF sent a personal congratulations to Hitler, for "being spared by divine hand".

      See, like I said in my first post Mr. IamnotatrollthoughIsoundlikeone Moo Moo, Hitler was a Christian, and a Catholic, a FACT that you and your buddies have been counter posting to for the last two hours.

      Hitler hated the Jews for many reasons. They got jobs he wanted, they cheeted his family, and because he had Jewish blood running through his veins, something he attributed to every weakness or flaw he possesed.

      But he used the fact, that the Jews killed Christ, were NOT Christian, and were "Terrorists" and a "threat to the nation" as a means of launching an all out holy war, a Jihad if you will, against them, and all who defended them.

      If you weren't for Hitler, you were against him.

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    164. WTH happened to your hair Voltaire?

      LOL

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    165. Johnny Pork Pie moo moo said...

      WTH happened to your hair Voltaire?

      LOL
      He hacked into Ann Coulters X rated website and saw her with out the clothes or makeup

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    166. Johnny NOTATROLL Moo Moo said

      I dont google!

      Uh, yea, excuse me for a minute. (milks squirting out of my nose).

      ...there, much better.

      Ok Plato, let me explain something.

      I am not going to play 20 questions with you, as you refuse to play with me.

      But I will grace your last question, with a modest answer, in that I am assuming you are referring to Bormann, who was himself although not an aethist, rejected Hitlers ties to Christianity and purported Christ was White.

      He often tried to show Hitler in a non religious light, even after his death.

      But if you have a point to make, I am all ears.

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    167. What about the worlds responsibility genius?

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    168. Elaborate Einstein.

      What about the worlds responsiblity?

      Are you asking me to write a book, or do you have an actual question in there?

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    169. Johnny said "And what about the worlds responsibility? You seem to be ignoring this?"

      Johnny I agree with you that the world had a responsibility, but that was later, when he started murdering people and invading other nations, not while he was attempting to seize power in Germany, the world wasnt their to see first hand to see his tactics for seizing power, it was the German people's responsibility to stop him early in the game before it was too late, he wasnt killing and imprisoning people early in the game that was when he seized ultimate power and no one dared oppose him or speak out, see if people would have spoke out and opposed him early and not looked the other way, or taken his bribes or told them selves that he's not that bad he's just protecting us from a common enemy trying to oppress us, the Holocaust and WW2 may never have happened.

      see its this "we are all fighting a common enemy crap" and this phony nationalistic patriotic BS where anyone who speaks out or dissents is unpatriotic and in league with the enemy that leads to attrocies like the hollocaust, I mean think about it people like Hitler never admit they are evil, they always claim to have fair motives and to be protecting the nation and looking out for the common good, see when dictators like Hitler seize power part of the nation is benfitting from their policies bribes etc, another part is deceived by their propaganda until it is too late and still another group does not believe how far these evil people will go to further their cause and implement their agenda until it is too late. and then once it is too late the majority of the nation is too afraid to take any type of action because the dictator has their power network and infrastructure fully developed to maintain ultimate power and can basically do as they please.

      see Hitler just like Bush advocated pre-emptive war, which is the sign of a madman and fool, even if Europe didnt like his rhetoric or policies and was suspicious of him, they couldnt attack him pre-emptively, they did what most good people or countries would do, they waited till he did something wrong before they attemped to deal with him.

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    170. Ok, since you type like my Grandmother, I'll toss you this bone.

      When your parents get old and senile, whose responsibility is it to keep the car keys out of their hands, first?

      If you said, their Children, take 30 bucks out of petty cash and by yourself a new gameplan and a cold bud light, cause you'd be right.

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    171. My 4:37 and 5:04 pm posts clearly show I was in disagreement with Volts 2:59 pm post.

      Fake, violent, Worf loves manufacturing! Hes the one everyone should keep an eye on?????

      "I qouted Article 24 and you didnt like it.....period! You were attempting to look smarter than me with your ongoing googling......LOL!"


      Go fly a kite Worf!

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    172. God gave the savior to the German people.

      We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he [Hitler] was sent to us by God to save Germany


      Hermann Goering

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    173. Good comeback Johnny.

      Way to go.

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    174. And yes Johnny, your probably right Europe and the rest of the world should have acted sooner, but most people arent gung ho to rush into war and have thousands or even millions of deaths on their hands if war can be avoided by diplomacy. notice I said most people, as it is fairly obvious that GWB and Adolph Hitler are not like most world leaders or most normal people.

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    175. Johnny Dork Pie Moo Moo said;

      "I qouted Article 24 and you didnt like it.....period!

      Really?

      So what do you got like tourette's or something?

      You just blurt shit out without a point or meaning?

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    176. Although that would certainly explain the handle....

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    177. Why does Bush and the Republicans insinuate that if you are not of their political beliefs that you are not a believer in Christ?

      Why does a "professed" believer as Bush says he is, launch personal attacks on those who oppose his policies?

      Isn't it the same as Pat Robertson wanting foreign leaders killed, and Hitler destroying those whose beliefs were different than his agenda?

      Who would Bush and the Republicans use for their own political gain, if the average churchgoers turn away from the "Religious Right", because they have led them down the path of economic destruction?

      Maybe the Cult movement would give Bush and the Republicans something to embrace and use to gain them power.

      As the average middle-class believer turns away from Religious figures like Falwell and Dobson, because of their Bush hugging ways, Bush and the Republicans will move away from the "Religious Right".

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    178. What Johnny is getting at I think is the fact that many off the reight wing capitalists who screamed about the communist-socialist menace after the crash of 1929 aided Hitler in his rise to power...funding him with money and get5ting governments to give him the benifit of the doubt.,,..some even held to him...like Bush's granddad, even after the war started.

      The same tactics of mass terror that was used against the communists back then by Hitler are being used by the neo-cons against the muslims today

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    179. Don't feed him Mikey. He knows I answered his stupid question, he just couldn't deal with the answer so he caved.

      The FIRST, and FOREMOST responsibility to stop Hitler rested with the German people.

      But they allowed themselves to be lulled to sleep, with talk of Patriotism, Courage, Defeating the Terrorists and bringing honor and "Christian Family Values" back to Germany.

      They couldn't see the emporer was naked, or they didn't want to see.

      Either way the ultimate responsibility lies with those who helped, and watched as he rose to power.

      He knew what I meant with the senile parents thing, but hes just gets mad and vents.

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    180. You know what Larry?

      Those are DAMNED good questions.

      Damned good.

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    181. In fact, I just couldn't believe my ears this morning, as I listened to my favorite TV Preacher, Joel Osteen, lecture for Bush, saying to not criticize our leaders and to just follow them and be thankful for them.

      In all fairness he also said to pray for them, which isn't bad advice, but as for the rest of it?

      It was like seeing Donald Sutherland at the end of "Body Snatchers" pointing a bony finger, mouth wide opening emanating a loud piercing shriek.

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    182. Guess they got him too.

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    183. Mike

      Better read my 12:00 pm post again. Your neglecting to take into account The Treaty of Versailles.

      But I do agree with your point....always have.

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    184. When the congregations stop giving their money to these churches who push the Republican agenda from the pulpits, what else will the "Religious Right" do but to shut up.

      Falwell and Dobson are in it for themselves and when their congregation dollar dwindle, so will their love for Republicans.

      Thousands of jobs are being lost each week under the "Bush Economy" and many of those jobs, belong to either church members or someone in their families.

      Why would they continue to listen to "Religious Figures" who have promised them, they will benefit from the Republican way.

      How "Compassionate" will those conservatives be when the "Religious Right" can't deliver their money and votes?

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    185. Hello........My name is Bible Boy Worfeus..Im Fake! I pretend to care about humanity. I love installing scrotums into peoples mouths who piss me off.

      Take care

      P.S

      Wanna be friends?

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    186. Worf:

      Maybe Joel Osteen was saying don't criticize Murtha and those who want to end this worthless war.

      At least I hope that is what he meant.

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    187. YUK YUK.......LOL!

      :D

      Im toast

      TTFN

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    188. Well if Joel Osteen has been implanted with a symbionic host, then we're doomed.

      That damn church is so big it takes up the Houston Astrodome.

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    189. Well, I don't know Larry, I'll have to watch the rerun, but it sounded to me like he was talking about Bush.

      Of course he CAN'T just come out and mention a party or candidate, not on TV like that anyway, without losing his Tax Exempt status as a Church.

      He could end the Lakewood Church overnight by mentioning a Candidate, at least as a non tax paying Church.

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    190. Funny, didn't Jesus say something about rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesars?

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    191. He was on Larry King before and said he didn't talk politics, that he doesn't think that is his place to do so, but he encourages his congregation to pray before they vote.

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    192. Guess the churches didn't get the memo on that one, huh?

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    193. I don't know what he meant on his sermon today, but at least he doesn't spend half his service slamming Democrats and the other half asking for money like Falwell.

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    194. Yea I saw that Larry.

      I usually watch Joel Osteen every Sunday, just cause I liked the way he delivers his message, and the message itself is usually pretty good advice.

      But to hear him tell the congregation to just "follow your leaders" and "be thankful for them"...

      It was like he was suddenly possesed with the soul of Brittany Spears.

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    195. Maybe its something in the water down there?

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    196. Hope Mike drinks bottled.

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    197. Well, I won't judge him too harshly, as he didn't say enough to be certain.

      Perhaps he was just trying to reduce the level of fighting in this country, or perhaps he just hasn't seen some of the horrors of Iraq yet.

      But its also possible he got into the Jesus juice.

      And if thats the case, we're screwed, cause that was the last damn decent preacher on television.

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