Saturday, March 18, 2006

BUSH'S LAST WILL AND TESTICLE

BUSH'S LAST WILL AND TESTICLE
by Lydia Cornell

"Remember, every moment is a choice between LOVE AND FEAR"

Maybe we're all on PUNKED or Candid Camera or this is just a great big reality show called "The Government". Like "The Truman Show", the producers are just seeing how far they can go until we figure out it's a big joke! Wouldn't it be great to find out Bush is just an actor-clown they hired to make us go crazy? And the Blue team is going crazier than the Red team because we think it's real. I just wish Donald Trump would hurry up and say "Bush, you're fired!"

The mere fact that Bush sat in a Katrina briefing, probably playing his Nintendo Gameboy under the table, as they showed detailed evidence of a catastrophic hurricane and levee breach on its way to the Gulf, and Bush had the nerve to later say: "I never knew the storms were gonna be that bad! I never knew the levees were gonna be breached till I saw it on TV four days later!"

Tell me we're not inside a Simpson's episode!? Little Dubya probably got out of a lot of spankings as a kid with his cute little "aw shucks" grin. Right now our president is probably asking Rove when he gets to go to the playroom and have his ice cream cone.

Mr. Bush, please explain to me why you justify illegal spying on Americans, yet you're willing to sell our ports to the very people you're afraid we're talking to on the phone! My jaw dropped open the day you said something like, "Heck other countries get to own parts of America, why not the United Arab Emirates, who've been our allies on the war on terror? Just because they harbored some 911 terrorists and cooked their books for them, and don't keep any paperwork and go on hunting trips with Osama and support the Taliban - is no reason for bigotry. We don't want them to think it's because they're Muslim. " But Mr. Bush, wasn't it only a short time ago that you said something like: "Any nation that does business with terrorists, or harbors terrorists, is a terrorist...” I guess you only meant that about your fellow Americans: Democrats or liberals - since Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage and talk-radio constantly bash liberals as being traitors! Why are we traitors? Because we value life so much we are horrified by death and killing in this illegal war? Because we are pro-LIFE in the best sense of the word: we want our troops home alive? And this offends you?

Since I can't tell if you're looking at me or at the wall, I'm going to speak about you in the third person.

Mr. Bush, my children have lost their innocence because of you. I keep trying to hide my tears from them during prayers for our dying troops, and the countless children lost in this war. I have to explain to my kids what good morals are: the opposite of yours, the leader of the greatest nation on earth. I would rather my sons have an appetite for love, not war. People who have morals do not do what our president does. You have destroyed the very definition of moral values. You say you're "pro-life" but that seems to only apply to frozen fetal cells. And just for the record, your party's irresponsible Ann Coulter and Ken Starr-led witch-hunt/persecution/media blitz to expose the affair of Clinton and Lewinsky, two consenting adults, was in itself immoral and damaging to kids. In painstaking detail you paraded these blow-by-blowjob horrors for the press, not caring what effect it had on childhood innocence. And yes, we were all rightly appalled by President Clinton's behavior. But where was the right-wing morality brigade in keeping this porn out of the mainstream news for our children's sake? I still hear Republican mothers talk about how shameful Clinton was, yet they never see how the media salivated and profited at the sex appeal of it all. These same mothers never castigate you, Mr. Bush, for moral corruption on a life-threatening scale.

While you and Ralph Reed scour the cartoon channel for sexual immorality, seeing gays in square pants, how do I explain to my kids this pervasive news coverage of children being blown to bits because WE played the bully; we invaded a country that was pretty much under the world's watchful control? How do I explain your "Christian" morality of killing, invading and turning a blind eye to torture and corruption? Last week a little 3-year-old Iraqi girl died after the 3rd bomb hit her tiny apartment; the only piece her brother's found was her hand clutching her teddy bear.

I agree with Feingold: we must Censure, then Impeach George Bush. Our president broke the law by not going to the FISA court to "legally" wiretap us; our Vice-president broke the law (shooting humans while drunk and waiting until the liquor wore off before filing a police report.) Our enemies hate us for our freedoms. Our troops are fighting for our freedoms; is this so we can be wiretapped so we can have no freedoms? Or are they fighting for our president to be able to break the law and sell our ports to a nation that funds terrorists? Does the UAE get to be wiretapped too? Or just American moms and dads who might be wearing 'Peace' signs on their t-shirts. And by the way, does FOX News fall under Freedom of the Press?

I have to admit I'm a little more carefree these days, a little less paranoid that my phones are tapped or I might be taken away in the dead of night for e-mailing jokes about our leader - now that the whole world realizes that Bush is of questionable mental stability. In researching my book about Stalin, what horrified me the most were the pedestrian things that are now seeping into America: a woman, sitting in her communal kitchen in Stalinist Russia, said something about the Mediterranean Sea being as beautiful as Russia's Black Sea. A roommate overheard her, and reported this comment as being "unpatriotic." That night, a white "bread truck" came by and took the woman away; she was never heard from again. I also read about a young mother accidentally putting her coffee cup down on a newspaper photo of Stalin's face. Someone watching in the cafe, reported this as "defaming our great leader." A white "bread truck" took her away to a prison camp in Siberia. She left 3 young children behind. After I heard about James Moore, the author of "Bush's Brain" suddenly being on the "No -Fly list", banned from flying outside of America, and unable to get through the red tape to understand why, that's when I began to wonder what kind of country we are living in. I have a theory about when this all started, but that will take more space than I have here.

Uh-oh, spoke too soon; strange things are happening. This just in: Last night, March 15 at about 8 p.m., no joke, a white “bread truck” was parked outside our house. It didn't mean anything to me, until my little boy came running to the back of the house screaming, “There's a big man in our front yard looking through our junk mail-box, he came in the gate and he's wearing a knit cap.” I ran to the front door and peeked out. I saw a dark figure move through the lawn. I waited until I thought it was safe, and then opened the front door. Suddenly across the street, I saw this white van. A man wearing a knit cap was sitting in the driver's side, lights on, reading something. I immediately felt this person was reading addresses off my mail, maybe to see if I lived there. My son and I sneaked out the back door, and headed over to the van, but the van took off. Who knows? Maybe I'm just being paranoid. Again. But in light of the fact that Ann Coulter STILL has my home number on her website, it's not too far fetched to have a wingnut stalking me. After hearing Ruth Bader Ginzburg talk about the right-wing death threats she and Sandra Day O'Connor received, I have one question: WHY ARE RIGHT-WINGERS THE ONLY ONES WHO WANT PEOPLE KILLED FOR THEIR THOUGHTS? You never hear about Left-wingers threatening people's lives whose ideologies they disagree with.

After 911, we had the whole world on the brink of love. Everyone's heart was open. Most Muslims were shedding tears for us. At that moment, our leader had a choice: Love or Fear.

Worfeus, a commenter on this blog said: "Vladimir Putin actually CALLED Bush on the phone that morning and not only offered condolences, but offered to do whatever he could to help. He even assured him that even though Protocol required he raise the Russian Defense Condition in proportion to ours, he understood WHY we were raising ours and assured Mr. Bush that Russia would stand down. It was an EPIC moment in history, that one single phone call. Mr. Bush called it "nice of him".

"And I think if the Taliban were part of the planning body of 911, then we should have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11, it seemed like the right thing to do. But the idea that they were hiding Bin Laden doesn't wash with me," Worfeus says. "If getting Bin Laden was the goal, WHY on earth did we BROADCAST for 2 months Exactly WHEN and WHERE we were coming, and WHAT we'd do when we got there? That's like calling up criminals and telling them you're coming over to arrest them later in the week. What idiot would possibly think they'd still be there when they got there?"

I went through agony when I lost my younger brother; I cannot fathom my mother's grief and heartache, having lost her only son. Her eyes well up with tears every time she hears my husband's name, Paul, which was my brother's name. It is too much to bear when I think of parents losing sons & daughters needlessly in Iraq. This is a war that was "sold" to us and shoved down our throats by a certifiable lunatic. George Bush has caused nothing but chaos, poverty, death, bankruptcy, bad global relations, division, hatred and sadness in the world. "By their fruits you shall know them."

Bush based his "evidence" for going to war in Iraq on LIES that Cheney and Scooter Libby had to cover up. He took money from corrupt lobbyists, grinned and lied about it, and he's still not helping the people of New Orleans! Guess why? Apparently certain "companies" don't want the people to come back; that's why the trailers are sitting empty, undelivered. These companies are waiting like vultures to clear the land for profitable building developments. A side benefit is that all these scattered homeless souls cannot register to vote, nor can they obtain absentee ballots. The longer the delay in rebuilding New Orleans, the better for the Corruption party.

Also, Bush's own mother said he shouldn't soil his mind with visions of poverty and ugliness. Weren't these the same parents who went to play golf the day their baby daughter died, Dubya's baby sister, who died crib death? So Bush can't deal with death or grieving. Well he should have had some therapy before going to the White House. In fact, someone better be writing legislation to ensure that the next leader of the Free World has a brain scan to rule out mental disorders.

I say this: WE ALL SHOULD MARCH right up to Mr. Bush's front door (which is our front door, since we paid for it) and hold him accountable for causing, directly or indirectly, more deaths & destruction than anyone else has in this new century. If his goal is to spread democracy, he sure is killing a lot of people to do it.

Mr. Bush, your happy-blank stare is beginning to look like that of a Moonie. Have you had any visits from Rev Sun Yung Moon lately? I heard he poured billions into your party, hoping you'd call him Messiah. I'll never forget when you first said you would go to the ends of the earth to find Osama, then you turned around and acted like we were all crazy for asking if you'd caught him yet! You said, "Osama? I don't spend that much time (thinkin') about him.

Maybe the reason you are so eager to hand over our ports (aside from war-profiteering motives, the Carlyle Group, James Baker, et al) — maybe you're finally getting the concept of "loving your enemies" and you're just ready for a group hug. But I must say your timing is strange. They say we are only as "sick as our secrets", but why pick NOW to release your inner child? Couldn't you have tried to become evolved BEFORE you declared war? If only you had a 12-step program. This is the fastest route to actual character change. It helps to look at YOUR part in a conflict, take some responsibility, and take a "moral inventory of your character defects". Did it ever dawn on you that YOU are the common denominator in most of the world's problems? The polite thing to do would be to remove yourself and your agenda from our lives, and say you're sorry.

Mr. Bush, why did you have to invade a foreign land? Was there really imminent danger to America from Saddam, even though the whole world was hovering over him, watching him? Weren't there more brainy, imaginative ways of gaining allies in the underground - attracting people to our light, who would gladly usurp Saddam from within? Even if it had taken a few more years of clever spy-work, wouldn't it have been creatively challenging and fun - to work out diplomatic solutions to grotesque problems? Christ waited over 2,000 years for someone to finally put his teachings to use. And when biggest challenge comes along, our "Christian" leader disses Christ! You don't even give his method a half-hearted try. Wouldn't it have been worth saving lives and winning hearts to the cause of true Democracy and true Christianity? And after all the Mission Impossible spy movies you've seen, couldn't you figure out a more clever way than carpet-bombing? Did you do it to show off your heavy metal machinery, your SHOCK and AWE capabilities so the "enemy" (or anybody who doesn't agree with you) would be scared off? Mr. Bush, you have single-handedly robbed the world of its hope and innocence. To say nothing of the mockery you have made of true Christianity: the most peaceful force that ever came to man. You have rearranged the fragile building blocks of this planet with your Neanderthal eye-for-an-eye fraudulent, militant "Christianity". Maybe you don't realize the word Christ is in the word Christianity because the vowel sounds are different. But eye-for-an-eye is the OLD TESTAMENT! Christ came with the new law: LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THOSE WHO PERSECUTE YOU. RESIST NOT EVIL. This means, “Do not fight or resist evil; do not fight anyone or anything, it doesn't work. Most evolved people know this. Schools teach that you deal with bullies on the playground by not engaging them in battle, by walking away, not hitting them back.

There's a saying: If you're in the jungle and a jaguar is chasing you, get out of his way because he's going to eat you. It's nothing personal; it's just the nature of the beast. So go back to your house and stay out of his way. Muslim fundamentalists would not be killing us if we would get our footprints off their oil, mind our own business, and pray for them. They do not seem to know the God of love, but since love is all there is, evil has no real power, no matter how much you physicalize it by focusing on it. In other words, what you focus on GROWS! It also wouldn't hurt to protect our borders and make our country as invincible as Israel is. My girlfriend says she feels safer in Israel than here.

You are a barbarian Mr. Bush, hiding behind a kind of idiocy. And I know that's very judgmental of me to say that, but Christ called the Pharisees a "brood of vipers." And "evil triumphs when good people do nothing,” as Edmund Burke said (and we keep hearing over and over and over these days.)

Fortunately I believe in a power greater than ourselves and I know we're going to be all right. God did not give us a spirit of fear.

Einstein did say "goodness, truth and beauty are laws in the universe" as is harmony. Play the piano and you'll hear it. Kiss your child and you'll feel it. Go outside and breathe in the sunshine while playing with an amazingly beautiful striped animal or a butterfly. Bring coffee to someone who thinks you hate them.

Why do people keep arguing about God when God is simply love? Who can argue with human kindness? Asking to prove God is like asking to prove you love your kids. Love is actually the energy of our focused attention on Good, which I define as God. You can be attractive even if you're not "good looking" because if you radiate love, you attract people. This energy is molecular. Einstein's Unified Field therefore is love, which is God. Science proves God; the two are not mutually exclusive.

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THE WAY TO HAPPINESS
Keep your heart free from hate, your mind from worry. Live simply, expect little, give much. Fill your life with Love. Scatter sunshine. Forget self — THINK OF OTHERS. Do as you would be done by. Trust God and be thankful for all your blessings. Do all you can for people without thought of personal gain. Spread happiness. Try this for a week and you will be surprised.
- Anonymous (If the word God bothers you use the word "Love" or "Good")

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    1,586 comments:

    1. James W.4:58 PM

      Bush is a sociopath, which is much worse than being mentally ill.

      I vote for Feingold's censure. NOW

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    2. Anonymous4:59 PM

      Me too. impeach him. he's a dangerous idiot.
      But i like your theory of God.
      we need god more than ever. I mean we need to pray for bush.

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    3. Satan's Child5:28 PM

      Stalin's Killing Field

      Benjamin B. Fischer

      http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/winter99-00/art6.html

      this is Stalin

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    4. And by the way. I've tried in the past to be as unemotional as possible. Even when being accused of treason. But as far as the war in Iraq goes...... THE GLOVES ARE OFF.

      FF says he will ostracize me and not read my posts because of my chosen form of protest. How wonderful to cut off debate when you are the one doing the killing and humiliating people. These pictures.... this war in Iraq, the dead soldiers, the wounded and maimed; as well as the innocent citizens........... their blood rests squarely on the hands of Bush, Rummy, Cheney, as well as Fascism Fan and his ilk. And their blood is on my hands because I couldn't convince enough of my friends to not let these idiots in office in the first place. Shame on me for not doing enough to stop them. Shame on us all.........

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    5. Anonymous5:31 PM

      Lydia,
      Love your blog.
      1 suggestion though, you need a message board.

      1000+ comments on your last post but like 800 comment were from 5 people

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    6. THEY CAN HAVE MY FREEDOM AND MY RIGHTS WHEN THEY PRY THEM FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS

      Censure.... Then impeach both Bush and Cheney. Make sure you have a (D) congress though.... because if you don't then Hastert is President.

      Thank God for Russ Feingold..... now we know where the set of onions are in the Democrat Party!!!

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    7. Wow, I think that is the most incendiary article you have ever written Lydia.

      It takes courage to write what you just wrote, being who you are and all, (celebraty) and I applaud that type of courage.

      You go girl.

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    8. Tom Fox wrote this in his blog while in Iraq;

      “If an attacker inspires anger or fear in my heart, it means that I have not purged myself of violence. To realize nonviolence means to feel within you its strength--soul force--to know God. A person who has known God will be incapable of harboring anger or fear within him [or her], no matter how overpowering the cause for that anger or fear may be.” (Gandhi speaking to Badshah Kahn’s Khudai Khidmatgar officers; “A Man to Match His Mountains” by Eknath Easwaran, pg. 157.)

      When I allow myself to become angry I disconnect from God and connect with the evil force that empowers fighting. When I allow myself to become fearful I disconnect from God and connect with the evil force that encourages flight. I take Gandhi and Jesus at their word--if I am not one with God then I am one with Satan. I don’t think Gandhi would use that word but Jesus certainly did, on numerous occasions. The French theologian Rene Girard has a very powerful vision of Satan that speaks to me: “Satan sustains himself as a parasite on what God creates by imitating God in a manner that is jealous, grotesque, perverse and as contrary as possible to the loving and obedient imitation of Jesus” (“I Saw Satan Fall Like Lighting”, R. Girard, pg. 45).

      If I am not to fight or flee in the face of armed aggression, be it the overt aggression of the army or the subversive aggression of the terrorist, then what am I to do? “Stand firm against evil” (Matthew 5:39, translated by Walter Wink) seems to be the guidance of Jesus and Gandhi in order to stay connected with God. But here in Iraq I struggle with that second form of aggression. I have visual references and written models of CPTers standing firm against the overt aggression of an army, be it regular or paramilitary. But how do you stand firm against a car--bomber or a kidnapper? Clearly the soldier being disconnected from God needs to have me fight. Just as clearly the terrorist being disconnected from God needs to have me flee. Both are willing to kill me using different means to achieve the same end. That end being to increase the parasitic power of Satan within God’s good creation.

      It seems easier somehow to confront anger within my heart than it is to confront fear. But if Jesus and Gandhi are right then I am not to give in to either. I am to stand firm against the kidnapper as I am to stand firm against the soldier. Does that mean I walk into a raging battle to confront the soldiers? Does that mean I walk the streets of Baghdad with a sign saying “American for the Taking”? No to both counts. But if Jesus and Gandhi are right, then I am asked to risk my life and if I lose it to be as forgiving as they were when murdered by the forces of Satan. I struggle to stand firm but I’m willing to keep working at it.


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      After viewing the recent Photo's of the soldiers that wear the same uniform I used to wear I am trying to live as Mr. Fox so eloquently states in his blog quote.

      Your right Worfeus those Photo's disturb me, they shake me to my core, because they show how the Army of the United States could take the first step down the long dark and dangerous path that leads to what another military in another war did to human beings, the Wiemar Military in the second world war and how the career military officers had little or no problems working hand in hand with the SS and gestapo to do the same and worse to six million people in the European theater.

      This time the enemy of our current war is described in very similar subhuman terms, and some of the solutions as the ones as advocated by Voltair and Ann Coulter are exactly the final solution of the Germans in the second world war.

      There are torture chambers in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and the Army is more concerned with the bad press than the crime itself. The Attorney General of the US is doing absolutely even though members of the Administration had a large hand in this. The Army passes this off as the misguided actions of a few, while not putting the senior commander of Gitmo, the same general who brought these ideas to Abu Ghraib, under investigation.

      The president is more concerned with his legacy and mid-term elections than the crimes that his administration has unleashed. We as a country used to hold the gulags of the Soviets up to ridicule as an example of what a totalitarian regime would do every time it felt even a minor slight against it. We claimed moral superiority to the Nazi's because we did not do as they did. But now we have not claim, just the weak argument that we did less bad. We have not created ovens to rid the bodies because there are too many to bury. We do not have camps to shuffle off "criminals" whose only crime is to disagree with those in power, but Halliburton has contracts to build such camps if necessary and the US Army has a new regulation to use civilian inmates for labor. Exactly the crime against humanity that we used to hold the Russians of the cold war and Germans in WW2 accountable for.

      Pogo is actually right because his famnous line;

      We have meet the enemy and it is us,

      appllies now more than ever...

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    9. Too incendiary?

      Anonymous: how do I get a message board?

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    10. Lydia's Blog is doing better than most new smaller blogs out there anonymous person.

      This is not Huffinton Post, its a friendly little neighborhood coffee shop Blog.

      We're doing fine.

      And BTW, we have a lot more than 5 regulars genius.

      Better buy an Abacus, cause that calculators apparently too complicated for you.

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    11. Lydia, you don't need a message board, he's being a smart ass.

      And no, its not TOO incendiary.

      Its just right.

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    12. Clif said;

      We as a country used to hold the gulags of the Soviets up to ridicule as an example of what a totalitarian regime would do every time it felt even a minor slight against it.

      We claimed moral superiority to the Nazi's because we did not do as they did.

      But now we have not that claim, just the weak argument that we did less bad.

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    13. I would encourage everyone to visit the previous thread for a glimse into the bowels of kirk12's vile character.

      I have been blogging for a year and a half but never encountered another blogger quite as execrable.

      Let's just say, I'm glad he's on your team. Congratulations, libs.

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    14. Clif..... thanks for your 5:38 post.... I really needed that. Apologies to anyone offended by my earlier post...EVEN the one I said I wouldn't apologize to. Though he won't even read this post.

      Proud to be a "NEO-LIB"... at least on this issue anyway.

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    15. FF cry about your perceived slights against your precious person, not the crimes that are being committed in your name by your hero's again why don't you. Because that is how childish you appear to us all here.....

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    16. Lydia....he said something mean to me...... look look.... he was mean to me........ don't pay attention to what's going on in the world today.......he's being mean to me..... he's a traitor......


      WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!

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    17. I'm glad hes on our team too FF.

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    18. Glad you and worf share his sentiments, clif. It will be interesting to see whether Ms. Cornell does as well.

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    19. "I have been blogging for a year and a half but never encountered another blogger quite as execrable." Fascism Fan

      How many deaths are you and the NEOCONS responsible for again?

      Look in the mirror brother.

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    20. Well, I have said much worse things to you and yours in the past FF as have you to us.

      You just say your quips in a more subtle fashion, but they are nonetheless cutting.

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    21. It only took Fascism Fan about 24 hours to start reading my post again...........FLIPFLOPPER!!!!

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    22. Hell the only reason I said it was cause I didn't think he'd read it.

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    23. You BOZO kirk called you a name. He did not attack you with a DOG. He didn't handcuff you and then beat you. He did not force you to engage simulated masturbation or oral sodomy. Why don't you go some where they really think Kirk's post to you is really that bad?

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    24. One thing I've noticed about the right Clif?

      They can dish it out, but they sure as hell can't suck it up.

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    25. CLIF SAID:

      This time the enemy of our current war is described in very similar subhuman terms, and some of the solutions as the ones as advocated by Voltair and Ann Coulter are exactly the final solution of the Germans in the second world war.

      There are torture chambers in Gitmo and Abu Ghraib and the Army is more concerned with the bad press than the crime itself. The Attorney General of the US is doing absolutely even though members of the Administration had a large hand in this. The Army passes this off as the misguided actions of a few, while not putting the senior commander of Gitmo, the same general who brought these ideas to Abu Ghraib, under investigation.

      The president is more concerned with his legacy and mid-term elections than the crimes that his administration has unleashed. We as a country used to hold the gulags of the Soviets up to ridicule as an example of what a totalitarian regime would do every time it felt even a minor slight against it. We claimed moral superiority to the Nazi's because we did not do as they did. But now we have not claim, just the weak argument that we did less bad. We have not created ovens to rid the bodies because there are too many to bury. We do not have camps to shuffle off "criminals" whose only crime is to disagree with those in power, but Halliburton has contracts to build such camps if necessary and the US Army has a new regulation to use civilian inmates for labor. Exactly the crime against humanity that we used to hold the Russians of the cold war and Germans in WW2 accountable for.

      Pogo is actually right because his famnous line;

      We have meet the enemy and it is us,

      appllies now more than ever...
      The president is more concerned with his legacy and mid-term elections than the crimes that his administration has unleashed. We as a country used to hold the gulags of the Soviets up to ridicule as an example of what a totalitarian regime would do every time it felt even a minor slight against it. We claimed moral superiority to the Nazi's because we did not do as they did. But now we have not claim, just the weak argument that we did less bad. We have not created ovens to rid the bodies because there are too many to bury. We do not have camps to shuffle off "criminals" whose only crime is to disagree with those in power, but Halliburton has contracts to build such camps if necessary and the US Army has a new regulation to use civilian inmates for labor. Exactly the crime against humanity that we used to hold the Russians of the cold war and Germans in WW2 accountable for.

      Pogo is actually right because his famnous line;

      We have meet the enemy and it is us,

      applies now more than ever...

      BRILLIANT CLIF -- MAY I POST THIS ON THE BLOG?

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    26. I guess stick and stone break my bones but words will never hurt me, doesn't apply to you do they, FF?

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    27. Of course.

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    28. In fact, I am reposting the links since Lydia was posted a new article.

      Clif, Kirk, Lydia? Don't look at them again. These are for anyone who happens in and hasn't seen them yet.

      You guys are mad enough right now I think.

      Oh and yes FF, I do applaud their RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION. You BET I do. Because THATS the type of fighting spirit that we need right now to take back our country from your party of houligans come November. Wait and see.

      WHY WE FIGHT

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    29. The right really shoud use the "Spaceballs" salute as their greeting........ The "up yours" followed by a passive wave of the hand.

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    30. It only took Fascism Fan about 24 hours to start reading my post again...........FLIPFLOPPER!!!!
      -kirk12

      You really wanted my attention so badly as to shame yourself in that manner, then to continue to impugn me as a "murderer"?

      You are apparently too stupid to realize that the filth you spew reflects on your character not those you attack.

      My judgement of you has been abundantly vindicated. You are somewhere between a nematode and a trichinella on the evolutionary scale of moral development.

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    31. Quit crying Fibbing Fascist, you could dish it out to BG Gary why cant you take it as well.

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    32. Oh no Worf.... don't put them up again........ FF will take a viagra and then be gone for another hour

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    33. FF anyone who supports this administration and the things they are doing is a disgrace and the farthest thing from a patriot!

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    34. FascismFan:

      you
      are
      a
      murderer

      REDRUM......REDRUM.

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    35. Hey Mikey, congratulations on getting on the main article.

      The schwartz is with you.

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    36. Okay wait a minute, I have to go back and read all the posts from before to know what you guys are fighting about. Please give me time to do so. In the meantime, let's try an experiment: read Clif's beautiful post about Tom Fox and try to purge your hearts of ego-ridden revenge, hurt, anger. Try to see what is at the core of your "enemy's" anger or hurt. Is it "not being heard" or understood? That drives me nuts - when my own family doesn't see me properly, when they misinterpret my motives. Did Kirk use shocking words or hyperbole to make a point, as most pundits do nowdays -- and was he provoked by FF? I always teach my kids: it doesn't matter if you're provoked, you only have control over your own reactions and attitude. NO MATTER WHAT SOMEONE DOES TO YOU, YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO INTERNALIZE IT, AND TO MAKE PEACE. Fight or make peace.

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    37. Mike said...

      Quit crying Fibbing Fascist, you could dish it out to BG Gary why cant you take it as well.

      Mike,..Because to little fascists like FF it is always about him. They are the center of their universe and any slight is a crime against humanity in their minds, and anything that happens to others that does not case them physical harm or financial loss is considered collateral damage...the price of doing business. He has to yet say ANYTHING about the pictures of real pain and suffering not just the mental anguish he goes through when he is outed as less than the superhero he fancies himself.

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    38. Lydia said;

      Did Kirk use shocking words or hyperbole to make a point

      No.

      What Kirk posted was the result of RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION.

      It was REAL, and from the heart.

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    39. In defense of FF he did make a very flippant comment in his post that no one condones what went on..............Actually Cheney, RUmmy, Gonzalez, and Bush did........ and by your silence you do as well FF. you do as well...

      REDRUM REDRUM

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    40. Satan's Child6:19 PM

      Worf I've seen those chicken little video's were's the good stuff ---

      the back of the head by the hundreds stuff

      more more more

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    41. As FF pointed out last night, even Einstein, who was a Pacifist, believed that righteous anger towards inexcusable evil is necessary sometimes, in order to stop evil and protect others from it.

      You cannot stand by and watch someone rape and murder one of your boys, right Lydia?

      Neither can you stand by idly, without speaking out with the VOICE OF A LION, against the EVIL actions of our Military under the orders of our Pentagon, who is under the orders of our President, when they RAPE and MURDER Gods Sons in Iraq.

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    42. Anonymous6:26 PM

      RIGHT WORF!

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    43. Worf I agree: If anyone is offended by my obvious over the top joke about FF I apologize (even to you FF)

      But I dont apologize for this

      FF.......YOU are a murderer

      REDRUM REDRUM

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    44. Gotta let the anger out now and then...... that shadow that you keep locked up in the basement.

      Just don't let the shadow wag the dog, if you know what I mean

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    45. I hope Mitch Albom is right about 5 people you meet in heaven.

      I wonder which 5 Iraqi citizens Fascism Fan will get to meet. Or will it be 4 citizens and an American soldier that was maimed or killed in the war.

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    46. I KNEW we were on the wrong track when I heard Dick Cheney say on MEET THE PRESS tell Tim Russert, "we need to adopt the tactics of the Evildoers if we expect to fight them and win".

      I KNEW we were in trouble then.

      What the neo-cons never seem to understand is that good and evil are not "MINDSETS". Good and Evil are manifested in ACTIONS.

      If you CHOOSE to do bad, then you ARE bad. To whatever degree you chose to do bad.

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    47. "Momma always said, stupid is as stupid does"

      Forrest Gump

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    48. "we need to adopt the tactics of the Evildoers if we expect to fight them and win"

      Here's an idea..... why don't we cut Saddam into 3 or 4 pieces and then put them up on spears in Baghdad or Fallujah or whatever...... I mean that would work to subdue them wouldn't it

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    49. FF, if it makes you feel any better I don't think you're a murderer.

      But your apathy and blind endorsements do perpetuate the murder.

      Like I said before.

      You're not the Devil.

      You're just the guy who runs into the liquour store to buy the Devil a pack of smokes.

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    50. Worf said:
      "FF, if it makes you feel any better I don't think you're a murderer."

      but you gotta remember FF..... Worf doesn't think I'm a traitor either. So you gotta take it with a grain of salt.

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    51. Fascism Fan: Bush's willing Executioner.

      OK I'll stop now.... I've made my point I think.

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    52. LOL, I am a grain of salt.

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    53. FF said: "You really wanted my attention so badly as to shame yourself in that manner, then to continue to impugn me as a "murderer"? "

      Actually the reason I post is to try to make Worfeus laugh. That "LOL" just makes me all warm and tingly inside.

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    54. Actually you made my point for me as well Kirk.

      I am TIRED of the weak willed Democrats, trying to appease the right always, not understanding the gravity of the situation.

      George Clooney said similar words today on a blog, and basically blasted the left for not stepping up. He said they were "afraid of being labled "UnPatriotic" by the right, so they sat back, while thousands were raped, tortured and murdered.

      I understand Lydias way, and its a good way. But we are just using words here, not bombs or bullets.

      If we can't express our true anger, our absolute indignation, then how can we ever hope to combat an Evil that is laughing at us without fear.

      We need to step up now, and stop this crap.

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    55. FF.......YOU are a murderer
      -kirk12

      You give liberals a bad name, which is hard to do. You have confirmed that everything with you folks is smear and guilt by association; nothing is the result of any personal responsibility.

      Your buddy ward churchill said as much when he stated that the victims of the WTC slaughter deserved what they got because they were taxpayers.

      Liberal credibility with me has fallen from about 15 to -115%. I will never believe anything y'all say without seeing it with my own eyes.

      My time here has been very well spent. I now know how you "think". Not as honorable individuals with normal consciences, but as a pack of hyenas who smell blood, and wave bloody shirts for partisan political advantage.

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    56. It's hard to come out and just say "I'm not Jesus..... his 'way' got him crucified at 33"

      I wanna be like Jesus....... I do..... but Jesus didn't speak up and say ".....and another thing, this whole SLAVERY issue is wrong..... knock it off...." If I ever get a chance to talk to him.... that'll be my first question.

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    57. "Whenever our affairs go obviously wrong, the good sense of the people will interpose and set them to rights."

      Thomas Jefferson, 1789

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    58. FF Saidl;

      My time here has been very well spent. I now know how you "think". Not as honorable individuals with normal consciences, but as a pack of hyenas who smell blood, and wave bloody shirts for partisan political advantage.

      You sound like you're running for congress.

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    59. Fascism Fan said:"My time here has been very well spent. I now know how you "think". Not as honorable individuals with normal consciences, but as a pack of hyenas who smell blood, and wave bloody shirts for partisan political advantage."

      Kind of like waving blue dresses for partisan political advantage. How many deaths from that again. I admit it..... I voted for an adulterer. I wanted him to resign. You voted for a murderer, a rapist, a torturer. And you praise him. Who has the "normal" conscience" again?

      REDRUM........REDRUM

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    60. FF is not a murder.

      He is the one who turns his back while it happens, and then crys he has no blood on his hands.


      He did not do it so it does not affect him.


      They were not HIS people.


      They committed crimes against his beliefs.


      They slander his political beliefs.


      He feels no shame..only anger at those who slight him.


      His silence is still deafening...............and it is getting louder.

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    61. FF may have never pulled the trigger, but by his support for the president's actions he and all who continue to support him are murderers, rapists, and torturers. He does not passively support by inattention. He actively supports by coming into places like this and continuing to support Bush he is guilty.

      The people who died in the WTC are not guilty. Ward Churchill is an idiot of the same magnitude as FF.

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    62. But you are wrong Kirk. So wrong about Jesus.

      First, slavery was not a primary factor in the Hebrew life during the life of Christ. The Jews had long since been liberated from Egypt, by the hand of God, and now were more in a position of the Iraqi people today.

      The Roman Military, in an attempt to spread its industrial military might across the region, had invaded and occupied Israel, much like the American army occupies Iraq.

      Jesus did not speak out against Rome that much, other than for the people to pray for independence.

      He discouraged the Partisan resistence, but he did speak out against HIS OWN GOVERNMENT!!!

      The Jewish nation was a nation under rule of a King, who he REPEATEDLY CONDEMNED, and a Religious Heirarchy, the Sanhedrin, which was a sectarian ruling body, made up primarly of the Pharisees and the Saducees, who were divided by religious theology.

      Jesus condemned this ruling body on many, many occasions.

      His tounge was BITTER, and his words HARSH for his leaders, and he condemned them with the harshest, sometimes profane language (profane for the day).

      Christ was no wimp, contrary to popular opinion.

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    63. And he was definately no Patriot.

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    64. Jesus once referred to his King, as "That Fox".

      While this may not seem harsh to you, to the Jew living in 30 CE, a Fox was the most foul, dirty of animals, accursed by God and damned to steal its food instead of earning it.

      A Fox would be like calling Bush a "RatBastard".

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    65. And THATS what Jesus PUBLICALLY CALLED HIS KING!!!

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    66. Let me be clear. I do not believe that someone who is in our armed forces..... and then returns fire and kills the enemy is as guilty as FF. In fact I don't feel the soldier should be guilty at all. The soldier is the GUN, as it were. FF is the BRAIN, and GWB is the TRIGGER FINGER.

      Too bad the gun is what ends up getting PTSD out of all of this huh Clif. And then you can't get the best medicines cause the VA doesn't cover it I'll bet as well.

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    67. No, Christ was no conformer.

      He was no Patriot, no "team player".

      He was a usurper of the people. A dissedent. A REBEL.

      And the Jewish government despised him for it, and ultimately, they did their dirty deeds in secret, and murdered him.

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    68. If Jesus came back today and followed the same message as a child of the downtrodden and not the powerful, they would deny him again. When he confronted the powers that be, he would not end up on calvary, but in Gitmo or Abu Ghraib. And they do not treat political disenters as he preached to them to do. Our government is the modern version of the Romans.

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    69. It was not Rome who sought the demise of Christ.

      It was HIS OWN GOVERNMENT.

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    70. But Worf..... why speak those harsh words and then back down? Why allow himself to be crucified by the Romans? Why not be like those on Masada say?

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    71. I believe that is correct Clif.

      Historically it is. If Christ were here today, and were an American citizen, then he would be as crucified again, by his own government.

      Only this time, instead of a lonely hill on Golgotha, he would be strapped to the bars in Abu Graib, like they "MOCK CRUCIFIED" those Iraqis.

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    72. So are you saying the Jewish hierarchy killed Jesus?......... Why didn't they stone him? I thought Crucifixion was a Roman thing not Jewish.

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    73. Mike in my case it took one congressional investigation, and a threat, by the Disabled American Veterans organisation, to file in the VA appeals court, about the nine violations of federal statute, in my VA file, before the Veterans Administration admitted my claim, and they also asserted there was no "substantial" errors in my case. I am one of the "lucky" ones because as a former military officer, I had learned how to read federal statutes, and understand how to apply them. Most veterans do not understand the system so it wears them down and the vets give up in disgust.

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    74. Worf....... can you give me a reference to the "That Fox" comment....... are you sure he wasn't referring to Cleopatra?

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    75. Well first and foremost, Jesus believed to kill oneself was a sin. Those who did would find themselves in GNOLOM, not a good place.

      Secondly, his real enemy was NOT ROME.

      It was HIS OWN GOVERNMENT.

      It was the Sanhedrin, in particular, the High Priest, Caiaphas, who essentially was the PRESIDENT of the Sanhedrin, or Governing body.

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    76. But I think whats most important was, if you believe the scriptures, Christs desire to fullfil his fathers plan, that is, to allow himself to be taken by the evil ones, and offered up as a sacrificial lamb.

      Prior to his death, the Jews had been slaughtering lambs as token sacrifice mimicing the sacrifice of the promised Messiah.

      Christ had a role to fill, that he taught was bigger than man could understand.

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    77. Why did Pilate allow him to be crucified? Why not say....."If you jews think he's guilty you can deal with him according to your own custom".... and let him be stoned to death?

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    78. Put up again thy sword into his place.

      For all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

      Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

      But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

      Matthew 26:52 - 54

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    79. Kirk12 said...

      Why did Pilate allow him to be crucified? Why not say....."If you jews think he's guilty you can deal with him according to your own custom".... and let him be stoned to death


      Great question Kirk.

      Actually that would have been preferred by the Sanhedrin.

      However they were under Roman Occupation. Rome permitted the Jews to continue to govern themselves in day to day religious and civil matters.

      They even had their own Police, and their own King (however their King was handpicked, like Chalabi, by the Romans), and a small military contingent.

      What they did not permit however, was the right for the Jews to execute one of their own.

      That right, Rome reserved for the Federally installed Procurator, or Govenor, who you know as Pontius Pilate.

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    80. But how do we today.... now...... defend ourselves and still follow Jesus?

      When a pickpocket sees a saint.... all he sees are the pockets.

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    81. Iguess my problem is that if I had been a Jew in Jesus time...... I would have joined the Peoples Front of Judea (NOT the Judean Peoples Front)

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    82. I guess I shoulda been an Essene.

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    83. In fact, Pilate actually attempted that very thing originally, minus the stoning of course.

      Rome did not see Christ as any type of threat. He was not a friend to the Zealots (the Insurgency), and he had never professed a desire to superseed Rome.

      Once when the Pharisees had tried to trick Christ into speaking out against Rome, they asked him if it were just to pay tribute to Ceasar.

      If Christ said yes, they would condemn him as an Idolterer and enemy to God.

      If Christ said no, then Roman spies would report back to the Govenor, and Christ could be hauled in as an insurrectionist.

      Christ turned to them, knowing their hearts, and asked for a coin.

      Whose image is inscribed on this coin? he asked.

      Caesars came the reply from the Pharisees and elders in the crowd.

      Then Jesus, tossing the coin back at them said those immortal words, Render ye therefore unto Caesar, that which is Caesar's, and unto God what is Gods.

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    84. Kirk12 said...
      But how do we today.... now...... defend ourselves and still follow Jesus?

      When a pickpocket sees a saint.... all he sees are the pockets.


      Jesus answered this question for you too Kirk, almost 2000 years ago.

      Be ye wise as wolves, and yet harmless as a dove.

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    85. That "render ye" quote is one of my favorite. I paraphrase it whenever i get into discussions about Evolution. "Render unto Darwins what is Darwins.......

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    86. Worf said: "Be ye wise as wolves, and yet harmless as a dove."

      But isn't that type attitude what leads the Dems to be sissies and get clobbered?

      Don't you have to "carry a big stick" and be ready to use it judiciously? Isn't that a little more pragmatic?

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    87. Kirk12 said...
      Iguess my problem is that if I had been a Jew in Jesus time...... I would have joined the Peoples Front of Judea (NOT the Judean Peoples Front)


      Jesus loved Simeon Zealotes, a rebel maruader who fought openly against Rome. But he tried unsuccessfully to convince Simeon, that his Kingdom was worth fighting for, but it was NOT of this world. And the senseless killing of the Roman soldiers who were just doing their Jobs, and the Jews who collaborated with Rome (which was their favorite targets, remind you of anything yet?), was not going to bring Simeon to his Kingdom.

      Jesus knew you had to change minds, and change hearts, before you could ever create positive universal change.

      Much like Lydia's admonitions in fact.

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    88. Kirk12 said...
      Worf said: "Be ye wise as wolves, and yet harmless as a dove."

      But isn't that type attitude what leads the Dems to be sissies and get clobbered?


      No, if they had been as wise as wolves and as harmless as doves, then they would NOT have voted for the war in the first place.

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    89. From the Tao

      Weapons are tools of violence
      all decent men detest them

      Weapons are tools of fear
      a decent man will avoid them
      except in the direst necessity
      and, if compelled, will use them only with the utmost restraint
      Peace is his highest value.
      If the peace has been shattered,
      how can he be content?
      His enemies are not demons,
      but human beings like himself.
      He doesn't wish them personal harm.
      Nor does he rejoice in victory.
      How could he rejoice in victory
      and delight in the slaughter of men?

      He enters a battle gravely,
      with sorrow and great compassion,
      as if he were attending a funeral.

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    90. Kirk12 said...
      Worf....... can you give me a reference to the "That Fox" comment....... are you sure he wasn't referring to Cleopatra?

      LOL, very funny. Where'd this sudden sense of humor come from?

      Sure, here is the quote. Its important to remember the REASON for Jesus's hatred here.

      Herod had already killed Jesus beloved Baptist, John. John was not just a close friend to Jesus, he was his cousin. Only 6 months apart. Jesus no doubt had this thought fresh on his mind.

      The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.

      And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

      Luke 13:31 - 32

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    91. EXCELLENT WORFEUS.
      After 911, we had the whole world at the brink of love. Everyone's heart was open. Most Muslims shed tears for us.

      At that moment, our leader had a choice: Love or Fear.

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    92. Kirk12 said...
      Worf said: "Be ye wise as wolves, and yet harmless as a dove."

      But isn't that type attitude what leads the Dems to be sissies and get clobbered?


      And if they were wise as wolves, then they would have ALL stood by Feingold's Censure bill, instead of acting like a football team running around without a quarterback or gameplan.

      The Democrats are MANY things, but being wise as a wolf is not among them.

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    93. So, I'm not sure I understand... are you guys saying we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11? I can't see how we could without ignoring Jesus...... so then the Quote from the Tao is the only way I can seem to justify even that.

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    94. Lydia

      After 911, we had the whole world at the brink of love. Everyone's heart was open. Most Muslims shed tears for us.

      At that moment, our leader had a choice: Love or Fear.


      Exactly. Vladimir Putin actually CALLED Bush on the phone that morning and told him and not only offered condolences, but offered to do whatever he could to help.

      He even assured him that even though Protocol required he raise the Russian Defense Condition in proportion to ours, he understood WHY we were raising ours and assured Mr Bush that Russia would stand down.

      It was an EPIC moment in history, that one single phonecall.

      Mr Bush called it "nice of him".

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    95. Kirk12 said...
      So, I'm not sure I understand... are you guys saying we shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan after 9/11? I can't see how we could without ignoring Jesus...... so then the Quote from the Tao is the only way I can seem to justify even that.

      Kirk, why do you suddenly sound like Johnny Moo Moo?

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    96. I'm watching The Daily show.

      What the Hell does Bush have on McCain..... he's gotta have something

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    97. Just joking.

      Thats a tough question for sure, at least for Lydia, ha ha.

      I am only telling you what Jesus advocated. I am not telling you what I advocate entirely.

      Personally, I think IF the Taliban were part of the planning body of 911, then we should have went in.

      The idea that they were hiding Bin Laden doesn't wash with me.

      IF getting Bin Laden was the goal, WHY on earth did we BROADCAST for 2 months Exactly WHEN and WHERE we were coming, and WHAT we'd do when we got there?

      Thats like calling up criminals and telling them you're coming over to arrest them later in the week.

      What idiot would possibly think they'd still be there when they got there?

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    98. No I'm serious..... I do consider my self someone that tries to be a Christian. But Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek. How can I justify that and still call myself a Christian. I know the Catholic Church has the whole thing on a "just war" and all. But Jesus teaching, and his example teaches passively allowing himself to be crucified.

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    99. Anybody watching the Daily Show?

      PAUL HACKETT FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!

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    100. LOL.

      This Week In God.

      Blasphemy Edition. :D

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    101. I'm not just a traitor..... I'M A HERETIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    102. You ask all the right questions Kirk. And the answers may be more grey than we think.

      Think about it. Jesus never went to a soldier, even a Jewish one (the zealots were not compelled to fight, they chose to), and said put down thy sword.

      He told his apostles that, and he condemned the rulers and commanders for Kings for creating the strife that demands war, but he never admonished a soldier for doing his job.

      Life is a tedious dance of choices and decisions, and it seemed Christ understood this. He taught men would be judged not by one common rule, or law, but by their conditions and circumstances in life.

      Admittance to heaven is on a sliding scale.

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    103. God, Lydia would LOVE this Jon Stewart.

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    104. Admittance to heaven is on a sliding scale


      Worf I could never understand that parable about how the guys who worked in the fields for a half a day got the same wages as those who worked the full day........ maybe the above explains it?

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    105. Lydia if you're missing this you'll be sorry.

      Its the author of MISQUOTING JESUS and they're talking about the Codex's!!!

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    106. I thought it was an adultress, not a prostitute.

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    107. Kirk said;

      Worf I could never understand that parable about how the guys who worked in the fields for a half a day got the same wages as those who worked the full day...... maybe the above explains it?

      PRECISELY!

      EUREKA! You struck gold!

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    108. Going into Afghanistan was necessary. Bin Laden and the Taliban were basically joined at the hip. The Taliban protected Bin Laden from the world by their control of the country and it was not until 9-11 that the world agreed that only a removal of Bin Laden would justify the violation of the sovereignty of a country. Every western country was behind us, and as Kennedy said in Berlin Ish Bin Ein Berliner, the German Chancellor stated we are all Americans today... Instead of Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld understanding that we needed to stop the terrorists, they were searching for ways to link Saddam the first day. They took the overwhelming good will of the world and turned it into their advantage. Going into Afghanistan was necessary to get Bin Laden and stop his ability to release his suicidal bombers upon those he disagreed with. But Bush became just like Bin Laden and turned upon those who he disagreed with using the deaths and suffering of Americans like Bin Laden used the deaths and suffering of Arabs and Muslims to get others to become his weapons. He turned the anger and pain felt by the American public to Saddam by the smoke and mirror tricks of equating Saddam with Bin Laden. His Christianity was left at the door when he forgot not to bear false witness. Thus his crimes in Afghanistan are the same as Bin Ladens crimes in 9-11, the Cole Bombing the African Embassy bombings. They both attack those who stand in their way of controlling their vision of the world. And they decry when the other does as they do. Both violate Jesus teaching to "do on to others as you would have them do unto you." They have turned it into "Do unto others because they do unto me" returning to the old testament of eye for eye that Jesus left on the sermon on the mount

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    109. Interesting points Clif........ missed you tonite

      now I gotta go out and by another book "Misquoting Jesus"

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    110. Another great catch Kirk. When I heard him say this, and he never really went into the Codex's or talked about the certian papyri that challenge his theory, I suspect he's one of those media scholars who wrote a book.

      The women WAS caught in the act of adultery, and a common mistake was to call this a prostitute, and thats how the speculation that Mary Magdalane was a prostitute came about. (Many scholars believed this women was Mary, for which there is no evidence).

      I think I know this guys work. I will have to buy his book now.

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    111. Clif said...
      Going into Afghanistan was necessary.

      I didn't say it wasn't. I only challenged the method we went about doing it.

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    112. Mary Magdalene wasn't a prostitute until Pope Gregory I think. Before that she was Mrs Jesus ;)

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    113. Clif I spoke to a man named Gianni Picco last year. He was a former Un hostage negotiator. His book "Man Without A Gun" is excellent. Any way he tld me he feels that it would only take one election for us to get back all of that goodwill we had after 9/11. So at this point it's up to us.

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    114. Its up to us to a degree.

      We really only get to choose between two guys in the end.

      Somehow the big corporations are always going to decide who that is. Unless someone steps up to the independent party that will move everyone to vote for him, or her.

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    115. Worfeus check out this site;

      http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=3452

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    116. Night all...... gosh all it took was one off color joke to get FF out of here.

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    117. I'm gonna call OReilly and mention Dan Patricks former sidekick.

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    118. Kirk12 said...
      I'm gonna call OReilly and mention Dan Patricks former sidekick.

      Oh please do.

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    119. Thanks Clif...... maybe I'll go out and get a book by Bishop John Spong instead.

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    120. Worfeus research takes time;

      Here's another:

      http://www.denverseminary.edu/dj/articles2006/0200/0206.php

      I google and follow about 5-7 links, to see if anything bears fruit. Then I follow what sticks out.

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    121. Google is GODS gift to the internet.............LOL

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    122. I'm a internet neophyte, and am just learning, hell I don't even know how you all post a link that works or make those little pics FF is so proud of(tee Hee) he'll get mad about that, so Kirk your off the hook for now...

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    123. Kirk12 said...
      Thanks Clif...... maybe I'll go out and get a book by Bishop John Spong instead.


      I am going to recommend a book to you Kirk, if you want to learn a little about the Historical Jesus, combined with some keen insight into the spiritual Jesus.

      One of the best books written on Christ, and one of my favorites, is Farrars Life of Christ.

      It is a scholarly work to be sure, but readable by the layperson.

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    124. "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive.

      It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all"


      Thomas Jefferson

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    125. Does anyone think there is any chance for impeachment??

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    126. Sure.

      If the Democrats win the majority in November, and IF they can grow some gnads and work as a TEAM, then Bush is outta there.

      The problem is Democrats don't like football enough. They don't understand the power of doing SOME things as a team.

      Republicans on the other hand LUV football. And thats why they know how to work as a team.

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    127. But you KNOW the Reoublicans are going to do whatever they can to maintain control.

      They know that come November, its either F#@$K or walk.

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    128. I'm gonna go look at Good Night, and Good Luck.

      So Mike, Good Night, and Good Luck. :D

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    129. Lydia, another great blog, you've really written some fantastic ones lately,you are truly capturing our feelings and thoughts on these issues, I hope there is a chance for impeachment, as I shudder to think at what can happen with 3 more years of this administration. I have never seen so much evil or corruption in one administration in all my years on this planet.

      I am constantly amazed at the corruption and evil that keeps coming to the surface, and like I said before i'm sure that what we are hearing about is only the tip of the iceberg, with 90% of the evil festering below the surface and below our radar. With all the disturbing signs I see the imagination is in overdrive as to where this can lead our great country. I keep telling myself there is only 3 more years of these madmen being in power, but with the signs I have been seeing i'm seriously starting to wonder if that may be true, these megalomaniacs are consumed and obsessed with greed and power and are laying the groundwork to remain in power, they are turning our great free country into a police state while simultaneously committing heinous acts while touting freedom and democracy, I am seriously starting to wonder if instead of the nightmare being over in 3 years it may be just beginning.

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    130. Mike if you haven't studied the early 1930's German experience it would be a good place to look for historical comparison

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    131. Clif I have studied it when I was younger as well as in college and I see a great deal of disturbing similarities, do you have any books you would recommend though?

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    132. I have to say I found Voltaires's comments from this morning as well as FF indifference disturbing, after all these are regular people advocating genocide, concentration camps and acting indifferently about torture.

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    133. No particular book, I just find the economic situation here frightingly similar to the German economy that launched Hitlers rise, and WAY too many people dismissive of the trends of more authoritian means of government rule, as they know what is good for us, and we really do not need to know what they are really doing. I'm not saying Bush is Hitler but he shows tendencies that could move the political right to go that way.

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    134. your last post is right on the money Clif, but i'm curious as to what you think of FF and Voltaire's indifference, they say they dont support torture, and they are not really for the domestic spying program and they are not for the administration's fical irresponsibility, and they support our constitutional freedoms and yet they support Bush and his administration unwaverringly.

      Also what do you think the administration is really after with the Patriot Act and Domestic Spying Program, because from where I sit it looks like it has nothing to do with keeping us safe and is really about something much more sinister.

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    135. They are not a murders.

      They are the ones who turns their backs while it happens, and then crys they has no blood on his hands.


      They did not do it so it does not affect them.


      They were not THEIR people.


      They committed crimes against his beliefs.


      They slander their political beliefs.


      They feels no shame..only anger at those who slight them.


      Their silence is still deafening...............and it is getting louder.

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    136. The right know they are slipping in the popularity of the masses of people, and know they need a "miracle" to win and keep control. Also given the economic house of cards it is simply a matter of time before it collapses. They last time it produces the legislation of the new deal that they worked hard since 1980 to disassemble with out much actual success. This time if either a depression from the collapse or massive inflation because of monetary policy to keep from defaulting on the massive federal debt would cause. Thus the plans for Halliburton built internment camps and Army's regulation 210-35, for using civilian inmate labor for military uses. The large mass of people dislocated would have to be controlled and fed, but they would be an extremely cheap form of labor for the defense department because the economic conditions would not just be limited to this country but radiate through the world causing economic disaster globally. The last time this happened the world saw the largest war in the planets history and those who plan for the future have to take this into account. The new wars will be centered around the soon to be dwindling resources of oil and natural gas. And our focus on the middle east is no coincidence.

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    137. WORFEUS - YOU ARE A VERY FUNNY. Deep & smart too, of course, but many times I find myself guffawing over things you say, and Johnny Moo Moo too. First of all "Wofeus the Hoe-Down Frog" is so stupendously silly! What does it mean? Is it a Deliverance (Burt Reynolds) Southern frog?

      And I still find myself laughing at Moo Moo's tone a few weeks ago, when you guys were arguing about Iraq and Moo Moo snapped at you: I DON'T CARE! I went into a fit of laughter! I guess you had to be there. I wish I had a photo of you Johnny. I picture you shouting I DON'T CARE in a dramatic accent and I find it endearing.

      Worf, okay this is the funny thing I just found that you wrote tonight. I'm sure there are others, but I haven't had time to read them all:

      "Personally, I think IF the Taliban were part of the planning body of 911, then we should have went in.

      The idea that they were hiding Bin Laden doesn't wash with me.

      IF getting Bin Laden was the goal, WHY on earth did we BROADCAST for 2 months Exactly WHEN and WHERE we were coming, and WHAT we'd do when we got there?

      Thats like calling up criminals and telling them you're coming over to arrest them later in the week.

      What idiot would possibly think they'd still be there when they got there?

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    138. Everyone should see Good Night and Good Luck.

      While I was familiar with the McCarthy hearings, this really shed more light on them.

      I have never seen that much of McCarthy's attacks on character and the cowardly sick, twisted tactics he used. Its one thing to read about it but its another to see it on the silver screen.

      It was incredible.

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    139. Lydia said;

      First of all "Wofeus the Hoe-Down Frog" is so stupendously silly! What does it mean?

      Well, not much really. As you can see I am just a little green frog, dancing around.

      Well, hillbillies call a dance a Hoe Down. Thats because you have to put your "Hoe Down" to dance.

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    140. But hey Lydia, glad you're hear.

      After seeing Good Night and Good Luck, I think Hollywood was wrong.

      While you know I LOVED Crash, I think the timelyness of Good Night and Good Luck made it an important and bold film.

      They are both great movies to be sure, but I think Hollywood missed a chance to speak out about a current problem that is more presently urgent.

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    141. Maybe we're all on PUNK*ED or Candid Camera and this is just a great big reality show called "The Government" and they're just seeing how far they can go until we figure out that it's all a big joke! Wouldn't that be wonderful to find out Bush is just an actor-clown, a bozo they hired to make us go crazy? And the Blue team is going crazier than the Red team because we think it's real!

      Would that it were a dream! ( As Coulter would say in her New England-Kate Hepburn upper crust way. Oops, wonder if my issues are showing.)

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    142. In fact, that movie was brilliant.

      David Strathairn was incredible as Murrow, and Clooney was a genius.

      That was the best movie I've seen in a long time. But it does make you angry. Angry and proud.

      Angry, because you see the republicans pulling the same CRAP then as they are now.

      Proud, because you see that all it took to defeat them was a a few good people will to speak out publiclly.

      And a few democratic Senators with the courage to hit that pug nosed little punk back.

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    143. Yeah Worf, I agree. I saw Good Night and Good Luck months ago, right when I was in the throes of my worst paranoia about being censored and wiretapped. I really think its an important film. I think it wasn't "jazzy" or colorful enough to hit big with middle America.

      I also loved Syriana. Steve Gaghan directed Syriana and it was so complicated, mainstream audiences probably couldn't grasp its implications.

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    144. I haven't seen Syriana yet.

      But this thing was a work of art.

      I don't imagine FF has seen it.

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    145. Most republicans prefer to forget "Tailgunner Joe", although someone in here, I can't remember who, maybe FF, actually defended McCarthy.

      McCarthy was as greasy and foul of a man that has ever walked the earth.

      Who could defend scum like that?

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    146. Lydia, don't know if you're still here, but I liked your first title.

      I thought it had a spontanious honesty about it that really gave it punch.

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    147. Do you know Steve Gaghan?

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    148. I used to know him, before he wrote "Traffic"

      Do you think the first title could get me in trouble?

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    149. I don't see how.

      This isn't Nazi Germany, yet.

      Besides, you were just asking a question, not making a statement, sorta.

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    150. Lydia Cornell said...
      I used to know him, before he wrote "Traffic"


      Far out.

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    151. And its a legitimate question.

      They did a psychological assesment of Bush once, I can't remember where I saw it, but basically he came up as a mess.

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    152. The problem is we wait too long to speak up.

      Guys like FF who eat the plate of horse manure served up to them as meatloaf, try to muddy the waters, bully who they can, and basically equate to little more than VolkSturm.

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    153. Volksturm was Hitlers last resort, as Berlin was falling.

      The Volksturm or "Peoples Storm", was made up of the very old, and the very young, and the very ill.

      And they were ineffective for the most part.

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    154. Real Americans right now are outraged at the absolute ludicrious circus of the bizarre that has decended on Washington.

      We are not kooks, activists or fringe, as the lying hacks like O'lielly will tell you.

      I was never political. I worked with the government, and strongly believed that the work I was doing was good. I never thought about speaking out in this way.

      I have always been more concerned in living my life. I never even voted until 2004!

      To call me a fringe extreme liberal is ridiculous.

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    155. Okay what was my other title? How about this: "Are you mentally ill or just unconscious?

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    156. Naahh

      That sounds too prepared.

      Insane just had a good honest ring to it. It was spontaneous and fresh.

      I liked it.

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    157. But whatever you want is fine. I was just pointing out I liked the first title. It was bold and fresh and had the ring of truth to it.

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    158. Thanks for talking to me tonite Lydia. I'm turning in.

      I think I speak for us all when I say, "Good night, and good luck."

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    159. BTW, if you get a chance read Kirk and my exchange above on Christianity. Kirk asked some really, really good questions.

      You might even want to answer some of them too.

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    160. Lydia,

      Excellent article and oh! so true. I get sick to my stomach watching the news every night trying to say if Bush would just bring in a "fresh" face to the White House Inner circle his problems would go away.

      How would his problems go away by bringing in yet another "Right Wing Hatemonger" to give another pat on the already bloated back of the ego-manicial?

      In my view, Lou Dobbs has the best show on TV. Every night he spends an hour focusing on the mess Bush has made of America.

      He always has large segments about border security, the outsourcing on American jobs to China and India, the selling of America and many more atrocities.

      Lou Dobbs used to be a Republican but he has seen the light and how the "Right Wing Moralogs" have destroyed America.

      The sad thing not one Democrat has had the guts to step up and support Fiengolds call for censure. I guess they would never think about impeachment, but that will never happen since Corporate America run the country.

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    161. Lydia:

      I love the post. I'd love to see this bumbling twit get impeached! Where do I sign?

      Rene

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    162. Hi Lydia:

      Worfeus said:

      "Lydia's Blog is doing better than most new smaller blogs out there anonymous person.

      This is not Huffinton Post, its a friendly little neighborhood coffee shop Blog.

      We're doing fine."

      I totally agree with Worf. I've been to several message boards over the years. THIS is WAY BETTER than any message board I've ever been on. Plus in my opinion this is more user friendly. I'd like to see you stick with this blog. It's great! :D

      Rene

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    163. Lydia said

      "WE ALL SHOULD MARCH right up to Mr. Bush's front door (which is our front door, since we paid for it)"...


      RIGHT ON LYDIA!! Now your talkin!

      Consistently protesting through a "cheeto dust" covered monitor is lazy in my opinion......time for a little more action and less talk.

      Repetitive use of facts & figures by bloggers everywhere achieves little. I suggest it would be much more effective, during this critical hour, to see Bush peeking out a White House window witnessing a million "REAL" people peacefully protesting.

      Lets face it, even Doug Basham said: "strange"

      Blogging's much too EASY!

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    164. Even the South Koreans have more pride in their government than we do, and those who shame it go;

      South Korean Premier Resigns in Uproar Over Golfing During Rail Strike

      SEOUL, South Korea, Wednesday, March 15 (AP) — President Roh Moo Hyun accepted the resignation of his prime minister on Tuesday after the premier had set off a scandal by playing golf during a national railway strike.

      Lee Hae Chan came under pressure to leave after his golf outing on a March 1 national holiday that coincided with the start of the walkout. His departure was delayed while Mr. Roh was on a trip to Africa, but he offered to step down Tuesday when the president returned.

      Mr. Roh accepted Mr. Lee's resignation after ruling party leaders urged him to defuse the scandal before local elections in May.

      Mr. Lee had also been criticized for golfing in April 2005, when a wildfire destroyed a 1,300-year-old Buddhist temple, and in July, when heavy rains struck southern parts of the country.

      Adding to Mr. Lee's woes this time were his golfing companions, who included a businessman with a criminal record for rigging stock prices.

      http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/15/international/asia/15korea.html

      Same playing with corruption, criminals and playing while others suffer, just shame and resignation not promotion as in the Bush white house.

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    165. Al Lewis played Grandpa Munster, for those who didn't know:

      Al Lewis had a radio show on WBAI here a few years ago, around the time that he ran for Governor to get the Green Party on the ballot. He once related this story on the air, and I’ll tell it from memory.

      He was booked on a flight to Los Angeles to film the movie version of “Car 54 Where Are You?” When he and his friend got on they were bumped up to first class.

      When they took their seats and the plane took off, Al’s friend noticed the gentlman in the seat in front of them speaking in a low German accent. As he listened further he realized that the man was none other than Henry Kissenger, talking to a young assistant.

      So he turns to Al with a really low excited whisper: “Hey Al. look it’s Henry Kissinger.”

      And Al says in his normal voice: “I know that’s Henry Kissinger. Don’t you think I know a war criminal when I see one!”

      Kissenger’s assistant stood up and turned to say something, and Al said. “Sit down, Sonny, I’m not your father.”

      No more words were exchanged, but Kissinger was flushed red for the remainder of the flight.

      Rest In Peace Grampa.

      http://teocawki.blogspot.com/

      Al where ever you are, GOD BLESS YOU

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    166. Worf: Thanks for the recommendation. I'm gonna check that one out--- even though it looks like 700 pages...... that's what I get for asking questions.

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    167. Worf... Here's a movie I suggest...... Life of BRIAN !!!!

      Blessed are the Cheesemakers!!!!!!!!

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    168. Satan hxxself7:15 AM

      Worf show us your Killing fields of America are

      were thousands of bodies lie !!

      were the rivers run with blood and your revolution is starting !!

      more More MORE

      just like these .....
      http://www.cia.gov/csi/studies/winter99-00/art6.html

      from the cIA no less !!

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    169. From Clif last PM in answer to the "Killing Fields" question:

      "We claimed moral superiority to the Nazi's because we did not do as they did. BUT NOW WE HAVE NOT THAT CLAIM, JUST THE WEAK ARGUMENT THAT WE DID LESS BAD. We have not created ovens to rid the bodies because there are too many to bury. We do not have camps to shuffle off "criminals" whose only crime is to disagree with those in power, but Halliburton has contracts to build such camps if necessary and the US Army has a new regulation to use civilian inmates for labor. Exactly the crime against humanity that we used to hold the Russians of the cold war and Germans in WW2 accountable for."

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    170. And we might not be getting out of Iraq quite as soon as expected,

      Top General Says U.S. May Maintain Permanent U.S. Bases In Iraq

      Yesterday, Army Gen. John Abizaid, who runs U.S. operations in Iraq, said the United States may maintain permanent bases in Iraq. Reuters reports:

      The United States may want to keep a long-term military presence in Iraq to bolster moderates against extremists in the region and protect the flow of oil, the Army general overseeing U.S. military operations in Iraq said on Tuesday.

      While the Bush administration has downplayed prospects for permanent U.S. bases in Iraq, Gen. John Abizaid told a House of Representatives subcommittee he could not rule that out.

      http://thinkprogress.org/2006/03/15/permanent-bases/#comments

      Wonder if the Iraqi's agree?

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    171. And as far as killing fields go........

      It's @ 37000 Iraqi citizens dead so far. That's a similar pace with Saddam. He killed @ 300000 in 30 years.

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    172. Clif we are there for the long haul. Even a new president in Jan'09 will see there's no way out of this. We are stuck..... we're screwed. Unless we just pull out and let the civil war go ahead and blow up.

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    173. Kirk, if you are using "official" sources for your # of civilian causalities, remember the Military always under reports those. Some sources put the # at about 100,000.

      Killing tens of thousands in the name of democracy is kind of undemocratic.

      Didn't we just take away their right to vote?

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    174. And remember as Tommy Franks said " we don't do body counts"

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    175. #

      Hello all,

      I am a public affairs officer for US Central Command. I am posting here to get some of the stories out that the main stream media may not be covering. I enjoy reading all of the commentary on this site and hope that these stories can make a difference. Our service members are doing good things in Iraq, Afghanistan and the Horn of Africa. Please read story: http://www.centcom.mil/ sites/ uscentcom1/ Shared%20Documents/ news.aspx.

      Go to www.centcom.mil for more stories.

      Thanks to all for your support!

      Comment by 1LT Brian Anderson — March 15, 2006 @ 8:03 am


      This is not a joke, the pentagon is paying this guy to do this.

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    176. #33 Hello all,

      I am a public affairs officer for US Central Command.

      Comment by 1LT Brian Anderson — March 15, 2006 @ 8:03 am

      Translation paid military propogandist, Mr Gobbels would be proud, Mr. Rumsfeld is.

      Comment by Clif — March 15, 2006 @ 8:44 am


      #33, Yes and while you are at it please explain to all us tax payers why a officer who gets paid, $3170.10 a month is wisely using his valuable time here trying to change the political views of the American citizens. Instead of directly engaging the terrorists, is our lack of lock step agreement on the fiasco of both Iraq and Afghanistan such a danger to the pentagon that such a highly trained individual such as yourself needs to spend his time here. Are we her so dangerous to your war effort that the pentagon thinks it a wise use of the limited budget resources that it has. I mean we have to cut funding for headstart, programs for the elderly, poor, but we have enough money to pay your salary to “engage” us on the home front with your “approved” press releases. I’m sure that a hard charging individual such as your self can not believe your time and our limited resources can not be better spent.

      Comment by Clif — March 15, 2006 @ 9:16 am
      My replys, he has not answered my Questions yet, but i found his posts on other blogs. The propoganda wars are just starting, and we tax payers have to fund the enemy as well as our selves.

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    177. Clif said...
      Kirk, if you are using "official" sources for your # of civilian causalities, remember the Military always under reports those. Some sources put the # at about 100,000.

      Thats a good point. In fact, that number may be even higher now. 100,000 was a red cross estimate from early 2005.

      Its a scary thought to think we caused that much death on a whim, isn't it.

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    178. Yes and now the pentagon is paying officers to spin the story, sort of like gobbels did for another military machine...

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    179. amber-lynn9:09 AM

      Thats a good point. In fact, that number may be even higher now. 100,000

      and if we had stayed in america that would be the number dead here ...

      as we apologize to the invaders for our misdeeds .. and become their willing slaves

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    180. Kirk said;

      we're screwed. Unless we just pull out and let the civil war go ahead and blow up.


      Not completely.

      If we would get smart, and START working on a plan to DIVIDE up the country into separate, distinct soveriegn states.

      Its the only way I see it working out now. But we need to start now.

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    181. And all of this makes me feel terrible about our troops.

      THe quality that makes someone a good leader, in my opinion, is the ability to put your subordinates in situations where they can be successful.

      By that definition, who is a good leader as far as Iraq goes? Colin Powell + Gen Shinseki. Everyone else in the upper eschelon has failed as far as I can tell. Powell and Shinseki tried to be honest and tell everyone what this would cost in troops and $$$$ and overall committment. Franks prepared for the war by planning a stand down to 40000 troops in Iraq right after the "mission" was "accomplished"

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    182. Nice try Amber Lynn. That opinion may get a nod in the first Baptist Church on Sunday...... but you are completely out of touch with reality.

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    183. Worf I agree. That IS the solution.... as we discussed earlier.... 3 separate nations.

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    184. Amber wanna try something else....

      THey hate us for our freedom?
      Saddam and Al Queda worked together?
      Saddam was getting Uranium from Niger?
      Adam and Eve rode dinosaurs to church on Sunday in the Garden of Eden?

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    185. Is amber-lynn FF in drag?

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    186. Words of yesterday that speak volumes today..... Take note Amber


      This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror .......

      FDR

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    187. amber-lynn said;

      and if we had stayed in america that would be the number dead here ...

      LOL, yea, sure. Iraq, a tiny nation with no nuclear capbility, no long range air force, no Navy, and Viet Nam era weapons presented a real threat to us.

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    188. Larry

      In my view, Lou Dobbs has the best show on TV.

      Lou Dobbs is DA MAN!

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    189. Worf said "Personally, I think IF the Taliban were part of the planning body of 911, then we should have went in.

      The idea that they were hiding Bin Laden doesn't wash with me.

      IF getting Bin Laden was the goal, WHY on earth did we BROADCAST for 2 months Exactly WHEN and WHERE we were coming, and WHAT we'd do when we got there?

      Thats like calling up criminals and telling them you're coming over to arrest them later in the week.

      What idiot would possibly think they'd still be there when they got there? "


      Worf I really liked that post of yours also, i'm curious though, what do you think the motives were behind that, do you think they wanted Bin Laden alive and free so he could be the bogey man everyone was afraid of and their fear tactics would be more effective or was there another reason???

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    190. Worf I really liked that post of yours also, i'm curious though, what do you think the motives were behind that, do you think they wanted Bin Laden alive and free so he could be the bogey man everyone was afraid of and their fear tactics would be more effective or was there another reason???

      Both that and the fact that he'd probably spill the beans about his Tim Osman cover the CIA had for him in the 80's when Reagan and Bush sr were suppling him to fight the Russians in Afghanistan.

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    191. So Worf, would you recommend Good Morning, Good Night, and did you see alot of paralels to what is going on today. I studied the mcCartht era when I was youger and i see a lot of paralels, the saying that liberals are unpatriotic, are in league with the terrorists, that we hate our country and want it to fail, FF is a prime example.

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    192. Mike?

      what do you think the motives were behind that, do you think they wanted Bin Laden alive and free so he could be the bogey man

      Personally? What I think is considered a fringe theory of course, but personally, I have ALWAYS felt that Bin Laden was permitted to escape as part of a "Pre-Arranged" plan at some level of our government.

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    193. Mike

      So Worf, would you recommend Good Morning, Good Night, and did you see alot of paralels to what is going on today.

      Good morning good night? LOL. Didn't see that one :D.

      Just kidding, I know you are talking about Good night and good luck.

      Recommend it?

      Hell I'd cannonize it!

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    194. The parallels were astounding.

      Listening to Tail Gunner Joe attack his critics was like listening to FF rant in here.

      Its unbelievable.

      The difference is they did not have the volume of media then, so they got away with more until SOMEONE spoke up.

      When Murrow finally spoke up though, since there weren't that many news programs and not so many voices, his voice rang loud and clear with the American people.

      And we said enough!

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    195. Worfeus, Mike, I'm going to post another FF type individual and what she says will absolutely blow your minds...

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    196. OMG.

      Lydia changed the title of the article.

      HOLY CRAP. Thats the funniest thing I've ever heard.

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    197. Last will and testicle.

      Holy crap thats gotta be the funniest thing I've every heard.

      Lydia's as bad as me now. :D

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    198. Why do blacks continue to support Democrats?

      One of these days before I die, I hope to see a shift in the attitudes of so many of my black brothers and sisters in this great country we share, from perpetual victimhood, to pride in their achievements on the road from slave to American citizen.

      Remember Ronald Reagan’s story about the kid who had to shovel a huge pile of manure? He went about it with such joy he was asked why and said, “With all that manure, there’s got to be a pony in there somewhere.”

      The pony hidden in slavery is the fact that it was the ticket to America for black people. I have long urged blacks to consider their presence here as the work of God, who wanted to bring them to this raw, new country and used slavery to achieve it. A harsh life, to be sure, but many immigrants suffered hardships and indignations as indentured servants. Their descendants rose above it. You don’t hear them bemoaning their forebears’ life the way some blacks can’t rise above the fact theirs were slaves.

      Besides freedom, a job and a roof over their heads, they all sought respect. But even after all these years, too many have yet to realize that to get respect, you have to give it.

      http://www.kpbj.com/opinioneditorial/articles/2006-03-13-EDT-02.html

      I could not believe it when TP originally put this in their Thinkfast piece, but she is not kidding, she thinks they should thank us for the boat ride and the great jobs they got when they arrived...

      And FF claims we have no grasp of reality?

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