Wednesday, February 15, 2006

TOMB OF SECRETS

**There are almost 800 comments on this post, and there seems to be fight going on here. Please keep the violence to a R-rating. I will do a new post tonight or tomorrow about some very eerie breaking news.

From Clif, Gulf War I Desert Storm Commander disabled Vet:
Lydia,
I stood in the desert after the end of combat in 1991 and looked around at the death and destruction that we had done to so many of saddam's troops, one scene still haunts me, It was where a low ranking enlisted soldier had been captured by an Iraqi republican guards officer and senior enlisted, they shot the soldier in the back of the head, and almost immediately were killed by some sort of US cluster bomb. I thought it was ironic that they killed a man for trying to escape the Hell that is war but ended up being killed almost in the same moment, I thought it was poetic justice until I remembered Pvt Eddie Slovic from WW2, something changed that day, I started seeing the ghost images of the "enemy" in their fighting positions, the caves they dug in the ground to escape the bombing by the US Air Force, the bomb craters next to tanks where they died, I could imagine in my mind the horror they must have felt being bombed from the air but if they tried to get away they would end up shot.
As bad as the pics of Abu Ghraib look the horror is much greater because the camera never was focused in the interrogation chambers where the real horrors are done.
I have no patience for the chicken-hawks who shill for others to go into these corners of Hell so they can be safe in their minds, because that is where their fear lives.
11:12 AM

clif also said...
If you believe that this current (Bush) government is so interested in freedom take a LONG look at the pictures of the Abu Ghraib prison and ask your self a few questions... What are these prisoners accused of? Are they being charged or just detained? Do they have any "civil rights" if they are in the custody of the US military? Is the treatment of these prisoners in line with the spreading of freedom?Hint almost every person in those pictures has been released, so their crimes must not have been that extreme, so what justified their treatment?( Keep the answers based upon the spread of freedom and the US does no wrong, not flaming about 9-11(these prisoners weren't there), or terrorism, they can't be terrorists because WE invaded their country and destroyed a large section of their society. We do more damage in a month than was done here on 9-11, and we have been there for 35 months. Remember the anger over 9-11 here, YES THE ANGER IS AND WAS JUSTIFIED, but try to imagine the anger some Iraqi's have for what the US arny, US Marine Corp and US Air Force has done to their country. These people did not sponser 9-11 Osama Bin Laden did (he's Saudi) and 15 of the 19 Highjackers were also Saudi, the base of Bin Ladens operation was Afghanistan NOT Iraq. In 1990 Osama offered the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia his services to defend the kingdom against Saddam, but the King chose the US military, and so to Osama's mind slighted him. Osama's real aim is to topple the Saudi monarchy and reestablish the muslim chiaph(sp?) and the agreement bewteen Washington and Riyahd for the US military to defend the Saudi monarchy stands in his way. That is his beef with us. We defend the Saudi monarchy in excahnge for them stabilising the world oil markets. Since this administration is so consumed with 9-11(their justification for everything) why did they remove the only Special Forces team that was fluent in the local dialects from Afganistan and move the unit to Iraq to hunt for Saddam, the SF unit that was the replacement is fluent in spanish, makes you wonder where their real priorities are.

URGENT from Lydia: These shameful pictures of Abu Gahrib somehow seem worse than before; my heart is breaking; I feel overwhelming sadness for America and what we've become. These are human beings first and foremost. No matter what color, race or tribe, we are all brothers on this planet. We must hold bush & co accountable for whatever he is doing. We must get this mad man out of office. We cannot ever allow torture of detainees or "enemy combatants" - or whatever word he uses to circumvent the Geneva Convention. How can we ever be proud of ourselves as a nation again? This is unconscionable. As Darth Worfeus said: "Its a sad day when the industrialized nations of the world we share, who have always looked to the US as a bastion of good, and freedom, now look to us with quaking fear, of our abomidable and unspeakable crimes against humanity."

I am so sick of right-wing so-called "patriots" who dare to think the left are "traitors" because we value human life and abide by deep moral imperatives. We know the difference between right and wrong. You have sold out America for a quick anger fix. Only very primitive people would take the bait, and I guess these are the ones leading our country - Lydia


The guiding principle is the Geneva Convention built from the expierences of the allied prisoners of war at the hands of the NaZis and to a lesser extent the Japanese. What happened was a Nazi or Japanese tactic in WW2 for treatment of POW's and now we are doing it. The simple test for the question of "Are the actions proper"" is does the reversal of the roles: put the prisoners in charge and the soldiers in the prisoners place, how would you feel and do you want US soldiers treated this way? If the answer is no then the actions are wrong. If we don't want it done to our troops then we don't do it to theirs plain and simple.
** THIS IS THE GOLDEN RULE (Lydia)

I don't think our troops welfare is really high on the thought process for the neo-cons both in and out of the Bushco admin, otherwise the fiasco of not enough armor both personnel and vehicle etc wouldn't be happening here. The "support the troops" makes a good campaign-slogan but hard if you have to put money in the troop protection, VA, and support to the returning Guard and reserves, instead of Halliburton, Defense weapon industries that cannot even be used in an insurgency style war, if that is what Iraq is now.

Bush, Rumsfeld don't want to listen to anything as to why the battle in Iraq is not going like they want us to believe. They ignore any historical perspective on the situation: even Churchill realized in 1919 that Iraq as well as the middle east -- was not going to be conqured militarily by any western (christian from the arabs standpoint) power: not Iraq, not Afganistan, and they got out. Also no military power has ever been able to defeat an insurgancy if the insurgants were also the native population, from the American Revolution where Washington et al were the insurgents through vietnam where Ho Chi Mihn and Giap were the insurgenta against the Japanese, French and the US. The only way to defeat an insurgancy is what we did in the 1800's to the american Indian, whole sale slaughter and putting the rest on reservations( in WW2 we called them interment camps) , hopefully we can't even think of trying that, but as the days go by I'm not sure how far the Neo-cons would go to control the energy resources of this planet.
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Wow, we had over 680 comments on the last post (below). Thank you for all your brilliant ideas; we could solve a lot of Bush's problems with your help (but maybe not Cheney's.) Also, this blog was nominated for 2 Koufax awards. Voting starts soon; details below.

I have a feeling Cheney's initial coverup of this shooting incident was because he didn't want anyone to know that Mrs. Armstrong, the owner of 50,000 acre "quail ranch" is a Washington lobbyist giving Cheney a perk for some reason. I don't know, what do you think?

I am so sad that Paul Hackett dropped out of the Ohio race for Senate; I believe he is EXACTLY what we need and I pray he runs for President in 2008.

Many of you know about Skull and Bones, but last week I was deeply disturbed about even darker secrets I discovered about the secret society that Bush Sr. and Jr. are both members of, as well as John Kerry. I'll post here soon; I have to find it again. I always wondered why Kerry didn't fight the election results; something eerie was afoot and now I realize what it is: Skull and Bones. But what is the nature of the pact they made? What are the vows they take in that windowless tomb? So many missing pieces of the puzzle (including who runs the global economy) are found by looking into Yale's "Bonesmen". These people have very little interest in the lives of ordinary Americans.

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Just got this from my friend Garth Bishop (Bixxo.com). It's a letter he wrote to the Guardian:

"Ironic to have to read U.S. General Peter Pace's comments in a UK newspaper re Bush administration plans for a "Long War."

This following sentence struck me as odd since Bush created the war himself through the most colossal strategic blunder in history (directed by Karl Rove and V.P Dick Cheney). To quote: "The message from General Peter Pace, the chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff, was apocalyptic. "We are at a critical time in the history of this great country and find ourselves challenged in ways we did not expect. We face a ruthless enemy intent on destroying our way of life and an uncertain future." (my emphasis on "we did not expect")

The Iron Curtain fell more than 40 years after Pres Truman's containment strategy was launched, and any rational intelligent being would have followed the same course to stem the flow of anti-western influences. But it seems that sinister people bent on taking over power permanently have created a "war without end" to accomplish this purpose."

Garth Bishop
Los Angeles
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*Outed CIA officer was working on Iran, intelligence sources say*

*Larisa Alexandrovna*
Published: February 13, 2006

The unmasking of covert CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson by White House officials in 2003 caused significant damage to U.S. national security and its ability to counter nuclear proliferation abroad, RAW STORY has learned.

According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.

Read the rest here:
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Outed_CIA_officer_was_working_on_0213.html

864 comments:

  1. I don't think the Cheneyquiddick cover up had as much to do with Mrs Armstrong as it had to do with the other woman along on the hunt. Sound like Cheney may have more than a bird in hand ;-)

    Also lets not forget that it takes @12-18 hours sometimes to clear alcohol out of one's system.

    Guns, booze, and women. This story will probably have legs.

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  2. Lydia said;

    I have a feeling Cheney's initial coverup of this shooting incident was because he didn't want anyone to know that Mrs. Armstrong, the owner of 50,000 acre "quail ranch" is a Washington lobbyist giving Cheney a perk.

    I don't know, perhaps. But certainly he would have known it would eventually get out. Hospitals have to record gunshot cases, so the press would have eventually got wind of it.

    I would ask these questions.

    1. Why did they keep Cheney from the police overnight?

    2. How did a 28 gauge bird shot pellet penetrate a fully grown mans breastplate from 30 yards out?

    3. Why after the fact has the White House continued to stonewall the press on this story, and withold details?

    4. Know that we know Beer was available during this outing, how much beer did Cheney injest that day?

    The Perk of letting someone hunt on their ranch is not one that would be inappropriate. In fact its common.

    But when we can answer the 4 questions above we will be closer to the truth of really happened that day at the OKIE CORRAL.

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  3. Lydia said;

    I am so sad that Paul Hackett dropped out of the Ohio race for Senate; I believe he is EXACTLY what we need and I pray he runs for President in 2008.

    Amen. Hackett is exactly what the democrats need right now. Lets hope Paul changes his mind.

    Question;

    How screwed up would someone have to be to cast a vote for the rabid female dog in heat, Jean Schmidt?

    Would that be;

    A. Screwed up
    B. Really screwed up
    C. Screwed up beyond all recognition

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  4. Oh, and I've been reborn.

    Apparently it turns out that a person can't bleed to death from a superficial knife wound to a non vital organ, so Hell had to spit me back.


    HELLLLOOOOO WORLD!!!

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  5. Worfeus said " 4. Know that we know Beer was available during this outing, how much beer did Cheney injest that day?"

    your fourth post is the one that interests me the Most Worf, you raised this issue also Kirk. some one with Alcohol in their system would want to lay low until all traces left their system.

    It definately looks and smells fishy to me, Cheney has acted arrogant, secretive, condescending and like he is above the law from day one, now I usually like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but like Lydia said in a previous blog, we would trust these guys and cut them some slack if they exhibited some integrity and actually earned that trust, but they dont, so I feel the benefit of the doubt is not warranted.

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  6. I really think thats where this story is going Kirk.

    Today we learned that Vice President Cheney did consume alcohol on the day in question.

    In fact he told Brit Hume that he had, "one beer at lunch".

    One beer? Sure. I tell the cops that everytime.

    No occciferrrr....I just had ONE beer.....why????

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  7. I think its also important to add that Monday Scott Mclellan said that Cheney was not one of those drinking.

    Now we find out that that, like so many other facts, was a LIE.

    He had been drinking. Question is, how much?

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  8. Leaving the scene of an automobile accident is illegal in this country, particularly because the police want to see if you were boozing it up just before you wrapped your dads Plymouth around that pesky telephone pole.

    But drunks do it all the time.

    If you can just get away before the police can give you a breathalizer, then the next day you can claim you had an injury and needed to get medical attention. The leaving the scene will be easy to fight, but the DUI would not.

    Accidental shootings in this country are investigated by the police. No average citizen would have been permitted to omit a Sherriffs interview, particularly when alcohol was present in any form or quantity.

    A breathalizer would have been given to the shooter, just to be sure.

    But Cheney's people kept him from the police overnight, coincidentally long enough for any alcohol to dissapate in system.

    Hmmmmm...

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  9. Anonymous1:51 PM

    Exactly, Cheney acts like he is above the law!!!!

    Mike

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  10. Meanwhile, while most of the country is focusing on the shooting story, Cheney has been working behind the scenes to block a Senate investigation into the Spying Scandal.

    In fact, it looks like hes been successfull.

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  11. Congressional Probe of NSA Spying Is in Doubt
    White House Sways Some GOP Lawmakers

    By Charles Babington
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, February 15, 2006; Page A03

    Congress appeared ready to launch an investigation into the Bush administration's warrantless domestic surveillance program last week, but an all-out White House lobbying campaign has dramatically slowed the effort and may kill it, key Republican and Democratic sources said yesterday.

    The Senate intelligence committee is scheduled to vote tomorrow on a Democratic-sponsored motion to start an inquiry into the recently revealed program in which the National Security Agency eavesdrops on an undisclosed number of phone calls and e-mails involving U.S. residents without obtaining warrants from a secret court.

    Two committee Democrats said the panel made up of eight Republicans and seven Democrats was clearly leaning in favor of the motion last week but now is closely divided and possibly inclined against it.

    They attributed the shift to last week's closed briefings given by top administration officials to the full House and Senate intelligence committees, and to private appeals to wavering GOP senators by officials, including Vice President Cheney.

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  12. T O O

    M A N Y

    S E C R E T S

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  13. U.S. unprepared for Katrina: report
    Reuters - 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON -

    Federal emergency agencies were unprepared for the catastrophe of Hurricane Katrina and quicker involvement by President George W. Bush might have improved their response, said a harsh congressional report written by Republicans and released on Wednesday.

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  14. Where was Mrs Cheney?

    I've read she's not been happy abouther husbands "friendship" with ambassador Willeford for a while now

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  15. Just heard on the radio,

    The guy Chenney shot was sitting up eating breakfast this morning and laughing with the doctors, and said he plans to do some of his attorney work this afternoon....

    That poor, poor, valiant man....
    Putting on such a good show for the doctors while secretly struggling, fighting for his very life....

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  16. Kirk and Mike,

    According to AP,

    Cheney described seeing 78-year-old Harry Whittington fall to the ground after he pulled the trigger while aiming at a covey of quail.

    So it is obvious that he was LYING that he was 30 yards out.

    28 gauge bird shot is not going to "knock down" a fully grown man from 30 yards out.

    10 feet would make more sense.

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  17. Doctors are refusing to say how many shot pellets hit Huttingtons body.

    Of course if they did, and provided the scatter pattern, we would KNOW where Cheney was standing when he fired.

    Can't have that can we?

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  18. He said he saw him fall

    He didn't say he saw him blasted off his friggin feet.
    Hell, if I saw you turn preparing to shoot I'd probably dive for the ground too....

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  19. Anyone see the note about Ann Coulter's voting in the wrong precinct in Florida? Could be legal repercussions if true. Here's a link:

    http://tinyurl.com/95z78

    Also says that Coulter moved to Palm Beach to escape stalkers. Hmmmmm. Would have been nice if she had felt concerned about Lydia's potential for stalkers when she posted her personal contact info on her site. What a creep!

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  20. Voltaire said;

    Hell, if I saw you turn preparing to shoot I'd probably dive for the ground too....

    Why Voltaire, why would I want to shoot a nice guy like you?

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  21. People who are "peppered" Voltaire don't usually fall to the ground.

    Early eyewitness accounts said the shot knocked Huttington off his feet.

    Of course a shot hard enough to breach a full grown mans breastplate, would easily be powerful enough to knock a man down.

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  22. Of course Cheney is taking advantage of this opportunity to undermine our nations freedom.

    Criminals, liars crooks and scum.

    Nothing more.

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  23. Drewl said;

    Anyone see the note about Ann Coulter's voting in the wrong precinct in Florida?

    No, but gerrymandering fits her, so it does not surprise me.

    If you can't move the mountain to Mohammed, move Mohammed to the mountain?

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  24. When I'm toasted 10 yards looks like 30 yards..... men exaggerate you know.

    I wonder if there was a 2nd shooter behind a grassy knoll somewhere?

    I cant wait for the Discovery Channel's reenactment of all of this.

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  25. Dr Death said;

    That poor, poor, valiant man....
    Putting on such a good show for the doctors while secretly struggling, fighting for his very life....


    I hope you are not considering a career in the medical health profession.

    The man has a steel pellet lodged in his heart Doc.

    The doctors can't remove it because its too dangerous, so they have to leave it in.

    At this point according to every medical expert out there not under the payroll or political control of this administration, its not a matter of if, but when it will move again and kill him.

    Steel bullets in the heart are usually not a good thing.

    :|

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  26. Chertoff Admits Lapses in Katrina Response
    AP - 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
    WASHINGTON -
    A chastised Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff sparred with senators of both parties on Wednesday as he acknowledged "many lapses" in his agency's response to Hurricane Katrina. Chertoff told the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs that he would do things differently if he had the chance.

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  27. Yea I'll bet he would've.

    Idiot.

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  28. Bumbling incompetent republican idiots.

    Listen to them cry and whine now.

    it was toooo hard. We were overwhelmed.>

    Yea?

    Then step aside clownboy and let someone qualified take over.

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  29. Anonymous3:31 PM

    Drewl said "Anyone see the note about Ann Coulter's voting in the wrong precinct in Florida? Could be legal repercussions if true. Here's a link:

    http://tinyurl.com/95z78

    Also says that Coulter moved to Palm Beach to escape stalkers. Hmmmmm. Would have been nice if she had felt concerned about Lydia's potential for stalkers when she posted her personal contact info on her site. What a creep!"

    I have lots of family and relatives in Palm Beach County Florida and I was down in Palm Beach County the day after the 2000 election fiasco, I saw the protests first hand, you would have thought these guys had learned something 4 years later.

    As for Coulter moving to Florida, there goes the neighborhood. I hope they dont get blasted by hurricaines this year, but if they do, maybe one can drop a house on that witch or at least blow her off to the land of OZ, I bet midgets and monkeys are right up her alley.

    Mike

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  30. If you have a strong stomach, look here at our spreading of Democracy to the Iraqi people.


    CLICK HERE TO SEE THE SPREADING OF DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM


    Its a beautiful thing.

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  31. Let Freedom Ring.

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  32. Anonymous3:40 PM

    Back to Hackett for a second, it seems for the last 50 or so years we've been locked into a two party system, is there any way possible to get out of this rut to where an independent actually has a chance, right now it seems the deck is stacked against an independent ever succeeding unless they is a billionaire who could finance their own campaign (and how many people like that would want to be president). Just curious is there any way a good independent candidate can get the financing and support needed to compete against the Repugs and Dems??


    I think a third choice would help to hkeep both partys honest, or at least MORE honest.

    Mike

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  33. Anonymous3:46 PM

    Voltaire said "That poor, poor, valiant man....
    Putting on such a good show for the doctors while secretly struggling, fighting for his very life...."


    You can argue that one till your blue in the face voltaire, but last time I checked being in the hospital with a bullet lodged in the heart was pretty serious, in fact I'll bet if we surveyed all the doctors in our country, not counting Republican Schills in Cheney's back pocket at least 90% would say this is very serious and he could die, they just dont leave a bullet lodged in the heart if it could be removed easily and safely.

    Mike

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  34. Screw Hackett.

    Look at these goddamn photos.

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  35. Anonymous3:51 PM

    Scott McClellan said yesterday that looking back they could have handled the Cheney incident better, these guys should make that into a bumper sticker, mediocrity is acceptable, these guys are running our country not working at Mcdonalds, to me all the lies and incompetence ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE!!!

    Mike

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  36. LOOK CLOSELY.

    LOOK AT EACH AND EVERY ONE.

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  37. THAT NAZI PIG BUSH was right about one thing.

    You're either for him, or against him.

    I'm against him.

    Him, the horse he rode in on, and every peice of crap that supports him.

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  38. Anonymous3:56 PM

    Like I said before there's NO ACCOUNTABILITY from these guys, to them incompetence and mediocrity are acceptable, and no one calls these guys on their lies and incompetence.

    Those pics dont surprise me, they disgust me, but dont surprise me one bit.

    Mike

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  39. SCREW the Cheney shooting.

    LOOK AT THE GODDAMN PHOTOS.

    FREEING THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ

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  40. They should ENRAGE YOU!!!


    They should ENGRAGE ANY FREAKIN HUMAN BEING!!!

    I can't talk anymore right now. I can't seem to stop cussing. THat SH##@@#T MAKES ME RAGE and it should any person.

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  41. MURDERING TORTURING NAZI PIGS.

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  42. And these aren't even the new photos!

    The new photos show the corposes of some of these men we see being tortured, humiliated and beaten here.

    They beat them. Humiliate them. Torture them and Kill Them.

    God bless our troops, ay Lydia?

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  43. Question?

    What does stripping a man naked and smearing human feces all over him while forcing him to stand with arms outstreched and then photographing it, have to do with National Security?

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  44. The new photos show a man whose throat is slit.

    Question.

    How does slitting a helpless prisoners throat help our Security Moms here at home feel safer?

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  45. Want to know whats really inside of the hearts of our leaders?

    BY THEIR FRUITS YE SHALL KNOW THEM

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  46. QUESTION?


    What does forcing a helpless, NAKED Iraqi prisoner to SUCK THE PENIS of another, hooded and bound, NAKED Iraqi prisoner have to do with National Security?

    Just curious, you know?

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  47. Oh I'm sorry Mike.

    Do they not let you talk about this one?

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  48. Oh well. None of our staunch supporters seems to care that America is turning into a NEO NAZI state overnight.

    Screw the Iraqi's, right? Bunch of damn sandni$$#rs anyway, right?


    Guess we should talk about puppy dogs or something. :|

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  49. But it would be nice if someone could explain to me what forcing a helpless, NAKED Iraqi prisoner to SUCK THE PENIS of another, hooded and bound, NAKED Iraqi prisoner has to do with National Security?

    Just wondering. :|

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  50. Former Abu Graib Military Police Officer Kenneth Davis said on Paula Zahn tonight that he is bitter over the haunting memories from the things he saw in Abu Graib.

    He said it is still going on, and he is bitter and ashamed of our Military.

    He also said he will not let his own children join the Military now, because of how the military is today. He said it is corrupt, and the way its being run these things are going to continue to occur until enough people speak up.

    Kenneth Davis is now Police Officer in Maryland.

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  51. You know Worf, to paint our ENTIRE military and administration as nazi's based on a few disgusting people is reprehensible.
    The people responsible for these criminal acts are in the process of being punished.
    The vast majority of our military are decent hard working and brave folks who don't deserve crap people like you dish out.

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  52. No bonehead, they're not being punished.

    Your rat bastards in office are hanging the puppets, and ignoring the puppeteers.

    And I didn't paint the WHOLE anything.

    A former Military Police Officer who is now a Police Officer in Maryland did, on Paula Zahn Now this evening.

    I merely quoted him.

    Why don't you go hunt with your buddy Cheney? Maybe he can pepper your dumb ass too.

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  53. And for mikey,

    I don't who this "Huttington" that worfs refering to is, but "Whittington" (the guy Chenney shot)
    Has a PELLET (ie: ROUND) lodged NEXT to his heart NOT IN IT. He's being held in the ICU for privacy purposes and for OBSERVATION. They're waiting for scar tissue to form so that the PELLET won't move later on.

    And it not that "it's too dangerous" to remove it. It's simply MORE dangerous to remove it than to just leave it in. ANY invasive surgery has an element of risk to it, ESPECIALLY if you're 78.
    Lots of people are walking around today with shrapnel still in them.
    There is also the issue of "sundowning" in which some older folks never fully recover from the anesthesia.

    I guess if you guys need to prove how "evil" Chenney is, you're gonna have to sneak in there and hold a pillow over this guys face cause it sure looks like he's gonna be OK.

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  54. Nice topic change bonehead.

    But since you brought it up they lied about drinking for two days, hid Cheney from the police for long enough for the alcohol to leave his body, and now admit he was drinking.

    Hes a lying sack of sh#$t, and so are you.

    Pathetic peices of crap like you are what facilitates the rape, murder and torture not to mention the general corruption you and your filthy scummy kind have wrought on this country.

    Your a nazi, your momma was probably a nazi, and you can kiss my American ass you limpdick prick.

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  55. Listen asshole, why don't you post pictures of AMERICANS BEHEADED in Iraq and get pissed about THAT?

    Because you're just another Communist piece of shit who just can't believe his country could ever do anything decent.

    No, YOU just post pictures to arouse hatred of your own country you lying backstabbing bastard.

    You're a pinko coward who doesn't deserve the protections this country offers, YOU can kill MY American ass.

    No way you're an American, and you probably ain't got no dick either.

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  56. No its peices of human crap like you who goosestep our country right into nazi germany.

    And why don't I post pictures helping you to fuel the war fires in this country?

    Cause your a nazi peice of sh#$t, thats why you limpdick goosestepping clown.

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  57. Bonehead said
    YOU can kill MY American ass


    It would be my pleasure.

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  58. CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT BONEHEAD IS TRYING TO DISMISS AND MINIMIZE.

    Your garbage Voltaire.

    Nothing more than trash, waiting to go to the dump.

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  59. Just can't find any rage for your own countrymen dying can you?

    It's wastes of flesh like you that let evil build until even more have to die to save sorry coward asses like you.

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  60. And you're just a parasite. Leeching of the hind tit of democracy while bashing it every friggin step of the way.
    If I were you, I just couldn't stand to live in a horrible country like this.
    Why don't you just take a rope and throw it over the rafters in your basement, tie it off and tie the other end around your coward ass useless neck and kick the chair out from under yourself?

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  61. My family was at Normandy, the Phillipines and served in WW1. And every war hero in my family thinks peices of crap like you would look good dangling from the end of a bayonet.

    You're traitors to all thats American, and all that they fought and bled for.

    Our soldiers would not be being killed right now if it wasn't for peices of crap like you.

    We're trying to save them and bring them home.

    You're kind with your illegal war and corruption, are sitting back on your fat lazy asses, then sitting back and slapping each other on the back telling your pathetic repugnant selves how brave and patiotic you are.

    You sicken me.

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  62. And as for calling me a coward?

    You're the one supporting a war that your too chickenshit to go fight in.

    Why don't you go over to Iraq you big brave skelton dude?

    Oh yea, cause you're a lily livered chickenhawk send someone else to fight your battles pussy, thats why.

    My nieces are tougher than you. At least she signed up to go fight when she turned 18.

    Where the hell are you?

    Oh yea, sitting here telling us how tough and brave you are.

    Puss.

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  63. Bok Bok Bok.

    Go fight the war, then tell us how tough you are punkboy.

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  64. Or should I say punkgirl?

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  65. Whats that? No answer as to why you have not enlisted in the military???

    They're taking almost everyone now.

    In fact, I can help you with that if you like.

    I know some people that will pay you very well to go over to Iraq if you have any computer skills.

    You do have some skills right? Wanna go to Bagdad and get paid doing it? Doesn't matter how old you are, if you have some computer skills of some specific sort, then we can help you off to Bagdad.

    So come one tough guy, lets show that brave patriotism.

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  66. You don't even have to join the military. These are DoD contractors. They will pay you, and any of your little punk buddies in here to go to Bagdad and perform battlefield support.

    Wanna take a ride?

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  67. Chickenhawk troll prick.

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  68. First off, how do you know I haven't already been there?
    Secondly, I have an application in to Halliburton as we speak. (Well, their subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root)

    Third, I concede you may have patriots in your family. I note you said previously you've kinda disowned them, or they disowned you. Either way, tells me more about you than them.

    "We're trying to save them and bring them home." - yeah? how you trying to do that, piss enough people off to get them killed and sent home in a box?

    Yeah right tough guy....

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  69. How do I know?

    Cause a blowhard like you would have yakked about it by now thats how.

    But if you are trying to tell us you did serve in Iraq, by all means say so. We will look at you with new found respect.

    But you feel free to sign up for haliburton.

    Write us when you get to Bagdad.

    As for the disowning my family, once again you're an idiot.

    I never said that at all.

    You should make a fine Haliburton employee.

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  70. BTW, what are you going to do for Haliburton?

    Flip burgers or set up portable toilets?

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  71. BONEHEAD SAID;
    yeah? how you trying to do that, piss enough people off to get them killed and sent home in a box?

    CLICK HERE TO SEE HOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF AT OUR TROOPS

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  72. Actually, I have a buddy who was in the army and now drives a truck, and I used to. He heard where they're needing truckers to run in supply convoys to forward military bases.

    They claim the pay is EXCEPTIONAL and 80% tax free, so we both applied. They're having an employment seminar near here and we're gonna meet some people there for an interview.

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  73. Ok, Voltaire, I don't believe I'm doing this, but, I am gonna advise you against that.

    First the pays not that great. 80k is average from what I hear. Thats chump change for putting your ass on the line.

    Secondly you will be driving the most dangerous routes, up and down, back and forth.

    Roadside bombs are rampant, and so are kidnappings.

    Think I'm kidding? Just ask that good old boy with the mustache who got kidnapped a in 04. Can't remember his name, but I remember the interview after he was released and got back to Kentucky.

    He was asked if it was worth it, and if he would go back.

    He said Hell no!.

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  74. I heard starting pay was 125k a year and 100k was tax free if you stay the whole year.

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  75. Tax Free?

    Interesting.

    How does a Commercial company make such an offer?

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  76. Besides, hell they got little girls over there driving trucks.

    I am self employed now doing data entry and log auditing for several trucking companies now, and several drivers have quit to go over there and I know what they're making. They wouldn't do it for 80k.

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  77. Not sure, I suppose though if you're not a resident of this country for a whole year? Do American citizens living abroad still pay taxes here?
    Probably the 20% part for maintaining a residence....

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  78. Who do you work for?

    CR England? Frieghtway? US Express?

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  79. No, no biggies. Just small local companies who don't have the resources to do it themselves.

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  80. Just curious.

    I used to drive, back in the day.

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  81. I used to DRIVE for Transtar out of Waupaca WI. and the sister company Proline out of Nashville.

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  82. Anyway you don't have to answer that, that's personal.

    Ok, I'm outa here.

    Thanks for letting me call you names.

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  83. Ooops, didn't see your answer.

    Thats cool.

    Well good luck driving the roads and once again thanks for the venting.

    TTFN

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  84. And lets us know if you decide to go.

    I'm sure Lydia will say a prayer for you.

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  85. Still haven't figured out the anchor link thingy, but if you care to see one Iraqi's viewpoint, heres an interesting blog...

    http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com

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  86. One more thing,

    It's not nice to get someone really pissed off, and then go and sign off like a nice guy...

    Now I'LL have to go find somebody to take mine out on...LOL

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  87. Anonymous8:55 PM

    This worfeus dufuss guy needs to double up on the Prozac for a couple weeks.

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  88. Sorry Voltiare, didn't mean to leave you hangin.

    Ok, I'm gonna help you out here with your hyperlinks. I don't usually do this but you earned it.

    I will have to explain it to you, cause I can't just offer an example. If I write out the code the page will display it as a link, so you need to know the hypertext code.

    There are 3 HTML command tags you need to use.

    A

    HREF=

    /

    All HTML tags are enclosed in the < and > brackets or carrots as we call them.



    1. The A is the ANCHOR TAG. It will fit inside the first left angled bracket. <

    Then you will place a space, and add the identifier tag, HREF.

    So its Carrot <

    An A

    A SPACE

    Then HREF after the space

    2. After you have entered the opening Anchor commands and indicated you are following with a URL, you will now direct the page to your URL using the EQUALS SIGN. =

    So it's HREF=

    Now you are ready to insert your URL. You will ENCLOSE your URL with PARENTHESES. like this "YOUR URL HERE"

    3. Once your URL is inserted inbetween parentheses, you will want to close this opening Anchor tag with a RIGHT ANGLED BRACKET. >

    4. Now you are ready to insert your text. You can type any text you want in here pretty much. WHATEVER you type in here will be CLICKABLE. Users will simply be able to click on the text to jump to your page.

    5. / CLOSING SLASH

    Once your clickable text is filled in, close the Hyperlink with a CLOSING ANCHOR TAG.

    The closing Anchor tag is a LEFT BRACKET < and a FRONTSLASH / and an A and a closing right angled bracket >.

    I can't type an example because when the page sees the brackets it will mask the text, but if you follow my steps above you will be able to do hyperlinks.

    May the schwartz be with you.

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  89. Anonymous9:08 PM

    Me thinks worfeus dufuss lives on brokeback mountain.This mook has to be a rump ranger.

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  90. Cool! Thanks worf.
    I put one too many slashes though, but I see what I did...

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  91. Good job Luke.

    You've just taken your first step into a larger world.

    The schwartz is with you.

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  92. Well, thanks again, but I think the NEXT larger world I'm taking a step into is dreamland....

    nite

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  93. Worfeus said "Oh I'm sorry Mike.

    Do they not let you talk about this one? "

    5:14 PM

    Worf, I allready responded to this in my 3:56PM post, I said I found it disgusting, I would have liked to have responded in more detail but a little inconvience known as work got in the way. BTW, who is the "THEY" you are refering to???

    I also mentioned accountability Worf and I think its our Government and Military leaders that should be held accountable. Bush and Cheney and the rest of their corrupt administration lie and talk out of both sides of their mouth and until very recently no one has called them on it. Every other word out of Bush's mouth is he is a "WAR PRESIDENT" and he has a RIGHT to do what he is doing because there is a war going on and he needs to keep our citizens safe. Well you know what if it really is a war then those prisoners should be considered prisoners of war and be protected under the Geneva Convention, this hippocrite cant have it both ways, its only a war when it suits him best like when he wants to seize power and its not REALLY a war when they want to torture prisoners.

    As far as ALL our troops being corrupt I dont think you could be more wrong, I'm friends with some military personel, (in fact i'm going to lunch with one tomorrow) and I worked with a whole bunch aiding Katrina victims and these are good people that would give you the shirt off their backs. As much as I hate to say this i'm afraid I have to disagree with you and side with Voltaire probably for the first time, I think its our leaders both government and military who are the real bad guys and should be held accountable for these disgusting attrocities, i'll also say that some of our soldiers who would go along with this probably are bad apples and I FEEL they should know better than to just blindly follow orders that are wrong (thats why I could never be in the military, not because I lack courage, but because I never blindly follow orders I know to be wrong) now having said that thats what the military does to people, it brainwashes them not to think for themselves but just to blindly follow their higherups and commanding officers orders. I think Bush and Cheney should not only be impeached and removed from office but thrown in jail and not only for this latest incident you mentioned, they have lied and broken the law many times and need to be held accountable.

    Just because I didnt have the time to respond to your post in any kind of detail doesnt mean I support that kind of appalling behavior, I dont want to speak for anyone else either, but I feel pretty confident saying that most of our regulars whose opinions I respect like Kirk, Lydia, Drewl and Johnny would feel the same, I have to say I dont like someone assuming I support something that despicable without even hearing me voice my opinion thats what the Neo Cons do. i'm not saying you implied that, I actually just think you were just frustrated and were trying to ellicit responses but it could have been intreptetted that way. any time you want to bounce around some ideas or discuss a serious issue i'm all ears. I think Lydia's really busy right now and cant spend as much time here as she would like and I think your kind of a leader around here, your a real smart guy who raises a lot of interesting issues, when you say something i sit up and listen because I have a lot of respect for you and value your opinion. Now having said that i'm not going to walk on egg shells around you and watch every word I say, I agree with Johnny when he said that 90% serious issues and 10% fun banter is ok. Like I said before anytime you want to raise a serious issue or bring the thread back to a serious issue i'm all ears, but I think you should cool it with the veiled insults a little, i'm not the enemy, if you dont like what I have to say tough, we cant agree on everything, but I was under the impression we did agree on most things.

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  94. Voltaire said "I guess if you guys need to prove how "evil" Chenney is, you're gonna have to sneak in there and hold a pillow over this guys face cause it sure looks like he's gonna be OK. "

    6:18 PM

    Well I hope he will be ok, but I dont believe everything I hear and right now, I dont think I buy Cheney's story, as for the doctors opinion, we'll have to see

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  95. Quit yer crying Mike.

    That rant was over hours ago.




    Hell, look at Voltaire.

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  96. Voltaire said "Listen asshole, why don't you post pictures of AMERICANS BEHEADED in Iraq and get pissed about THAT?

    Because you're just another Communist piece of shit who just can't believe his country could ever do anything decent.

    No, YOU just post pictures to arouse hatred of your own country you lying backstabbing bastard."


    Voltaire posting pictures of something appalling that should not be going on doesnt mean he hates our country or supports our citizens being beheaded, not only is that riddiculous and quite a strech, but he has said he is for rooting out true terrorists. the war in Iraq is something else.

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  97. you still didnt tell me who "THEY WAS"

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  98. And I wasn't frustrated.

    Those photos just freakin pissed me off.

    I kinda went crazy.


    You should see what I did to this door.

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  99. LOL? They?

    I don't know. Nobody.

    I was just yelling and you got in the way.

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  100. pissed frustrated, same difference, i'm frustrated too, I think these guys should be in jail not just having people say what they are doing is not right, but I guess the wheels of justice turn slow.

    BTW all you got out of that post was the little comment I made in the last paragraph, what about the rest?

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  101. Anonymous9:46 PM

    I'd like to bang Lydia.....again.

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  102. Anonymous9:54 PM

    Lets do a profile on worfeus.

    1- White male, 25-35 years old

    2- Either lives with his parents
    or in an apartment.

    3- Is a least 25 pounds overweight

    4- Favorite foods are some sort of
    chip and a Mountain Dew type
    drink

    5- Has'nt washed his hair in at
    least three days

    6- Has'nt had a "real" date in
    two years or more

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  103. Its late Mike.

    Don't get me started on that one again. I can't think about that right now.

    SERENITY NOW

    SERENITY NOW

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  104. Ok, see ya tomorrow

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  105. From thinkprog.org, a little food for thought.

    It seems, Katharine Armstrong – the “star witness” to Cheney’s hunting accident can’t keep her story straight:

    Scripps Howard News Service, 2/13/06:

    None in the hunting party was drinking alcohol, said the owner, Katharine Armstrong. “No, zero, zippo and I don’t drink at all,” she said. “No one was drinking.”

    LA Times, 2/14/06:

    The party of 11 hunters set out in two trucks Saturday morning, driving around the mesquite-dotted property and shooting quail until about 12:30 p.m., said Anne Armstrong, co-owner of the ranch. Then they broke for a lunch of antelope, jicama salad and camp bread, washed down with Dr. Pepper.

    MSNBC, 2/14/06:

    “If someone wants to help themselves to a beer,” she said, “they may, but I did not see anyone do that,” Armstrong says. She says she was not sure if there were beers in the coolers but wasn’t ready to rule it out: “There may be a beer or two in there, but remember not everyone in the party was shooting,” she told NBC News.

    Editor and Publisher, 2/15/06:

    CNN today reports that Armstrong had told CNN she never saw Cheney or Whittington “drink at all on the day of the shooting until after the accident occurred, when the vice president fixed himself a cocktail back at the house.”

    Now, Cheney said he drank “a beer” before hunting. Fox News, 2/15/06:

    HUME: He said he had a beer at lunch and that had been many hours earlier. And it was dusk, around 5:00 p.m., when this incident happened. And he said that, you know, they had lunch out in the field, a barbecue, and he had a beer.


    Hmm.....no booze, to possible booze, to one beer.

    EVERYONE ALWAYS says they only had one beer.

    And fixing a cocktail after the fact is a great way to account for the alcohol in your system if you do wind up getting tested for booze.

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  106. Worf

    I failed to see a few of your posts in the previous blog during our chat.

    I now owe you one.

    Drinks are on me at the "First Annual Lydia Cornell Blog Barbecue & Booze Fest".

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  107. Seraph:.......I had to be sure.
    Neo: Of what?
    Seraph: That you are The One.
    Neo: You could've just asked.
    Seraph: No. You do not truly know someone until you fight them.

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  108. Anonymous8:19 AM

    Garth Bishop said"But it seems that sinister people bent on taking over power permanently have created a "war without end" to accomplish this purpose."

    I think this sentence sums up pretty well what is going on today.

    Mike

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  109. Anonymous8:28 AM

    AP 9:14AM Feb 16, 2006 "ENEVA - The United States should shut down the prison for terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay and either release all detainees being held there or bring them to trial, the United Nations said in a report released Thursday.

    The report, summarizing an investigation by five U.N. experts, called on the U.S. government “to close down the Guantanamo Bay detention center and to refrain from any practice amounting to torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.”

    Like I said yesterday, If this is truly a war then these people should be considered prisoners of war and should be protected under the Geneva Convention. You cant have it both ways, either its a war or it isnt. And the sword cuts both ways, if it is a war then Bush and Chenney could be guilty of war crimes.

    I remember China and Russia making a statement to the effect that they would not hesitate to treat prisoners like this but they had thought the United States was better than that, and I have to say that I did as well. these prisoners should not be detained indefinately and tortured, if they are guilty they should stand trial.

    Mike

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  110. bill gates8:41 AM

    "I'm really glad to be here," said Bill Gates to a conference this week. "My other invitation was to go quail hunting with Dick Cheney."



    When Bill Gates is joking about an incident,

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  111. Worf: Thanks for posting the links to those pic's. I sent the link to everyone I know. It is outrageous. I certainly don't feel it is an example of all of our troops...... but someone once told me a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

    As to the beheadings that Voltaire spoke of. No one condones it that I've seen, and yes I agree ( as posted before) that muslim prisons are a worse place to be.

    Having said that, it seems both sides have something in their eye. The best thing for me to do (in my opinion) is to try to get the plank out of my eye first. I expect better from my country. In fact I think it's patriotic to DEMAND better.

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  112. Kirk12 said;

    Thanks for posting the links to those pic's. I sent the link to everyone I know

    Absolutely Kirk. And good job on spreading the word.

    Its important in fighting this war on terror, that the American people are kept keenly aware of just how its being fought.

    The light sweeps away the dark.

    I should know. Its always sweeping me away.

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  113. Kirk12 said;

    Thanks for posting the links to those pic's. I sent the link to everyone I know

    Absolutely Kirk. And good job on spreading the word.

    Its important in fighting this war on terror, that the American people are kept keenly aware of just how its being fought.

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  114. Voltaire,

    The events at Abu Ghraib were truly disgusting and disturbing. Fortunately the sick criminals (formerly) in uniform have been severely punished, humiliated, and roundly criticized by all Americans.

    Contrast this result with what routinely happens after Islamists commit their atrocities on innocents; they become heroes. The mother of three homicide bombers is a heroine throughout the Middle East and has been elected to the Palestinian parliament.

    The leftists use Abu Ghraib as a bloody shirt which they can not seem to wave enough. The NY Times ran 31 consecutive front page stories on Abu Ghraib. This is reminiscent at how AlGore and the dhimmicrats attempted to use the hideous dragging death of James Byrd to smear Dubya in the first election.

    Thanks for exposing the America-hating fifth column which haunts this site. They give lip service to being patriots and "supporting our troops" but their passion betrays them. They giggle with delight at every opportunity to rip the U.S. and our fine military service men and women.

    You are a courageous and articulate man of honor and I salute you.

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  115. not fair?9:38 AM

    maybe you should also publish pictures of the bodies in the 9/11 inccident

    and the bodies of scuicde bomb victims... women, children, babies .... gone beyond recognition

    killed for no reason
    other than these guys wanted their way or no way..
    war is not fair

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  116. Anonymous9:39 AM

    Obviously Bush, Chenney and many of the other higherups will get some patsy to take the fall for them, but regardless, shouldnt war crimes be an issue with stuff like that going on???

    Mike

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  117. I hate to change back to Cheney. These crazy ideas pop into my head outof nowhere... but has anyone thought that maybe it was in fact a good thing that Cheney DIDN'T go to Vietnam. How many of our boys would he have accidentaly shot while hunting "gooks" after having a few brews and being "loved longtime" by one of the local gals?

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  118. I cant wait for Bill Maher tomorrow nite.... I'll bet he feels like a kid waiting for Christmas right now.

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  119. Anonymous9:47 AM

    dont they call that friendly fire Kirk??

    Mike

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  120. I looked at those pictures of Ahu Gahrib and for some reason I was more in shock than when I first saw them. I am so ashamed of the troops who did this. How can anyone harm another human being, when we are all brothers? If America lived by its values and principles, these apply no matter who the enemy is. The enemy is never who we think it is. Until a man has conquered himself, he has conquered nothing.

    I am still finishing this book, and will be checking in to read all your great stuff.
    xoxo
    Lydia

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  121. Anonymous10:28 AM

    FF Kirks post sums up my feelings on this issue pretty well

    Kirk said "As to the beheadings that Voltaire spoke of. No one condones it that I've seen, and yes I agree ( as posted before) that muslim prisons are a worse place to be.

    Having said that, it seems both sides have something in their eye. The best thing for me to do (in my opinion) is to try to get the plank out of my eye first. I expect better from my country. In fact I think it's patriotic to DEMAND better. "

    FF I think We should be held to a little higher standard than a bunch of crazy barbarians beheading people, dont ya think. I know I think of us as better than that. and while I think the soldiers committing those horrific attrocities were most definately wrong, I blame the higher ups and commanding officers. Soldiers are trained to follow orders from their superiors and not to think for themselves and I think the Higherups should be held accountable not just the patsys taking the fall for them.

    Mike

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  122. Anonymous10:43 AM

    AP 1:25 PM Feb 16 2006 "What happened in the Cheney shooting (All times ET)

    4 p.m.: Vice President Cheney begins an afternoon quail hunt with four other hunters on the private Armstrong Ranch in south Texas. They had been hunting earlier in the day, but took a break for lunch.
    6:30 p.m.: Cheney accidentally shoots fellow hunter Harry Whittington while aiming for a bird. Secret Service agents and medical personnel with Cheney tend to wounds on Whittington’s face, neck and chest.

    7:20 p.m.: An ambulance takes Whittington to Christus Spohn Hospital Kleburg.

    7:30 p.m.: White House chief of staff Andrew Card tells President Bush there was an accident, but Card is unaware Cheney was involved.

    7:50 p.m.: The head of the Secret Service office in McAllen, Texas, calls the Kenedy County sheriff to report the accident. The sheriff asks to speak to Cheney, and they schedule an interview for 9 a.m. Sunday. At the White House, presidential aide Karl Rove tells Bush that Cheney was the shooter, after talking to ranch owner Katharine Armstrong.


    Source: The Associated Press • Print this

    Chenney claimed the Sun was in his eyes
    He said Whittington was dressed properly in blaze orange and the upper part of his body was visible, but that he was standing in a gully with the sun behind him, which affected his view."


    Dont know about you but at 6:30PM in mid February I find it a little far fetched that the blazing sun would be shining in someone's eyes and blinding them. dusk is around 5:30PM, 6PM at the latest. Now i'm not Perry Mason or Columbo, but the facts just dont add up, 2+2 doesnt equal 5.

    Mike

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  123. Anonymous10:46 AM

    Intersting how the Cheney chronology started at 4PM and he convieniently left out that 1 lunchtime beer he claimed to have had.

    Mike

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  124. George11:00 AM

    Maybe Cheney should give up hunting for a good hobby like .... Drinking

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  125. Anonymous11:03 AM

    lets see now,

    1) Cheney claimed the blazing sun was shining in his eyes and blinding him at 6:30PM

    2) Cheney claimed the victim was 30 yards away, when we know it is almost impossible for a pellet to knock a man off his feet and pierce the breast bone at 30 yards.

    3) Cheney claimed to have only had one beer, yet he failed to disclose the incident or meet with law enforcement till the following day, well beyond the window when traces of alcohol would be detected.

    draw your own conclusions???


    Mike

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  126. ...while I think the soldiers committing those horrific attrocities were most definately wrong, I blame the higher ups and commanding officers. Soldiers are trained to follow orders from their superiors and not to think for themselves...
    -Mike

    While I agree that the "buck stops with the President", after a certain amount of nauseating repetition, the cheap political purpose of the leftists becomes crystal.

    U.S. soldiers are absolutely not trained to blindly follow orders. Our servicemen swear to obey the U.S. Constitution and the lawful orders of their superiors.

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  127. Anonymous11:13 AM

    Obviously as has been discussed before, you have never been in the military, they program you to follow orders.

    If the higher ups were totally incompetent and had no clue what was going on and the inmates were running the asylum then they are still at fault, but I dont buy it, I think those troops were ordered to torture the prisoners.

    I seem to remember the Bush administration making a case a while back that they werent really prisoners of war, they were detainees and thus the Geneva convention did not apply and they could torture these people. but Bush and his cronnies hushed it up and tried to keep it out of the media as much as possible.

    Mike

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  128. MikeSaid "Dont know about you but at 6:30PM in mid February I find it a little far fetched that the blazing sun would be shining in someone's eyes and blinding them. dusk is around 5:30PM, 6PM at the latest. Now i'm not Perry Mason or Columbo, but the facts just dont add up, 2+2 doesnt equal 5."

    I'm not sure, Mike, but aren't the times listed in the article EST? Cheney was in TX.... that would be CST wouldn't it? So the time line says 6:30 but that's eastern time...... 5:30 central. THat may explain it?

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  129. Anonymous11:17 AM

    didnt notice that, I guess your right Kirk.

    Mike

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  130. George11:20 AM

    quote :
    you have never been in the military, they program you to follow orders.

    hey bud!! not so

    Only the SS, Gestapo, and NKVD are trained as unthinking machines but Not allied troops.

    The Nuremburg trials outlined that clearly

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  131. Anonymous11:28 AM

    I was talking about basic training when when I said they program troops to follow orders. Of course they say troops are are not supposed to blindly follow orders that are evil or wrong and I strongly believe this to be true. But defying orders from a superior officer may be the right thing to do, but its definately a slippery slope.

    Mike

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  132. The fact is there was an air of superiority we took with us to Bagdad. It was an pre-absoulution of any crimes, because of the blood that was spilt on 911.

    And the people in power fueled this hatred of anyone who even resembled the hijackers.

    Even today people in here use 911 a comparison to our actions in Iraq, thus perpetutaing the great Lie.

    Abu Graib is just the ones we happened to get some pictures from.

    Former CIA Operative Bob Baer said on Hardball we are flying people all over the world.

    Then torturing them. When Mathhews asked him what happened to them, he said many of them are taken outback and their throats are cut and the bodies burned.

    Of course, Bob Baer is just another traitor to those who want to cover this up, like FF.

    It would take a pretty stupid person to believe that what just happened to be caught on camera at Abu Graib, was the only incidents taking place.

    The truth is black ops are doing this stuff routinely, and some of it just happened to be caught on camera.

    But go ahead and defend it if you want. At least I know whos good and whos evil when you do.

    It will make you easier to smoke out when we start hanging war criminals.

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  133. Anyone seriously interested in the truth as to how rampant this type of behavior is in the Military, I strongly urge you to rent Farenheit 911.

    You don't have to watch the movie if you're a right winger. I know its hard.

    But watch the 20 minutes of video footage taken by a Swiss Camera Man taken outside of Abu Graib prison.

    Its not Michael Moore dogma, it's not hype.

    Its just RAW footage of our gallant military in action.

    Watch them push aside the 80 year old women, watch them drive the young men in in trucks with plastic bags over the heads, piled into the back of 2 1/2 trucks like Jews in the cattle cars.

    Watch them harrass and ridicule the old man with the broken leg, hitting his leg and causing him pain, just cause they think its funny.

    You will ask yourself if this is Abu Graib or Buchenwald.

    Watch it if you want the truth, or you can just sit there and tell yourself how were all just a bunch of liars.

    Your choice.

    Blue Pill.

    Red Pill.

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  134. Just remember Johnny Moo Moo.

    When NEO woke up, he wished he had taken the blue pill.

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  135. Armies and terorrists can blow up buildings and kill people.

    But they can't kill us all.

    Even with a nuke the most they could kill is a few hundred thousand.

    We'd still have 350 Million of us left.

    But corruption inside of our own government, corruption of this magnitude, can destroy the very fabric of our democracy.

    The real danger to America is not from bullets or bombs, but from the corruption of our very soul.

    Its been wisely said, fear not the enemy without, but within.

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  136. Anonymous12:32 PM

    Worfeus said "Former CIA Operative Bob Baer said on Hardball we are flying people all over the world.

    Then torturing them. When Mathhews asked him what happened to them, he said many of them are taken outback and their throats are cut and the bodies burned."

    Worf do you know what i'm talking about in my 11:13AM post, I seem to remember the Bush administration trying to circumvent the Geneva convention and justify torture by categorizing these prisoners as "detainees" and flying them to all different places, do you know what i'm talking about, i'll try and research it tonight or tomorrow if I have time, but I figured you would know what i'm talking about. not sure if it was Rummy or who it was but I remember some of the higher ups making a case for torture then, they totally hushed up on the subject. if so its kind of hard to blame what went on on the hired help being out of control if these guys made a conscious case to support it.

    Mike

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  137. Yes Mike I do.

    And you're 100 percent correct.

    The CRUX of this whole thing is Bush's classifying these people rounded up on the battlefield and taken from their homes, as terrorists and thus removing the Geneva Convention and other protections normally afforded to an enemy combatant by most Civilized nations.

    His contempt for the Geneva Convention, and for humane treatment of human beings is one of the factors that contributed to the brainwashing of our troops.

    Its the Crux of this whole thing, and you put your finger right on it.

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  138. In fact, John McCain has been doing heated battle with Cheney and Bush on banning torture.

    What so many Americans fail to realize is that there are some actions in this life, that when committed, regardless of the reason, bring the perpetrator of the action down to the level of the original offendor.

    Example;

    Suppose someone raped your 9 year old daughter?

    Wouldn't you therfore be justified in raping the rapists 9 year old daughter?


    Eye for an eye right?

    Wrong.

    You would become in that one, horrible moment, as filthy and perverse a child molester as the peice of wretched crap who attacked your little girl.

    So it is too, that those who torture, rape and murder human beings, or do anything to condone, defend, downplay or minimize such acttions, thus ultimately albeit unintentionally supporting them, even if they claim its the only way to keep themselves safe, are no less vile, wicked and foul as the goosestepping scum who donned the dark, decadent halls of Gestapo headquarters, manned the barracks or ovens at Auswitz and Dachau, or sat idly by smelling the burning corpses from the towns outside saying, "oh, we didn't know, we thought they were burning rubbish".

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  139. Anonymous2:30 PM

    AP 4:11PM Feb 16, 2006 "Earlier in the day, White House spokesman Scott McClellan hinted at a “good discussion going on” with lawmakers and praised in particular “some good ideas” presented by Sen. Mike DeWine. The Ohio Republican has suggested the FISA law be changed to accommodate the NSA program.

    McClellan: No significant changes
    However, McClellan left the impression that any deal would not allow for significant changes. He said the White House continued to maintain that Bush does not need Congress’ approval to authorize the warrantless eavesdropping and that the president would resist any legislation that might compromise the program.

    “There’s kind of a high bar to overcome,” McClellan said. “We think there’s some good ideas, but we have not seen actual legislation.”

    Separately, the Justice Department has strongly discouraged the Senate Judiciary Committee from calling former Attorney General John Ashcroft and his deputy to testify about the surveillance program, saying they won’t have new information for Congress about it.

    Just as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales could not talk about the administration’s internal deliberations when he appeared before the committee earlier this month, neither can Ashcroft nor his former No. 2, James Comey, Assistant Attorney General William Moschella said in a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa."


    Unbelievable looks like congress just caved in, what a bunch of cowards. So much for checks and balances, what do we need the legislative and judicial branches for if the executive branch is calling all the shots, we may as well eliminate them and save some money.

    Amazing, these guys are telling congress what they do and dont have the right to do and basically refusing to testify and they get away with it. Gonzalez and Ashcroft should be arrested for obstructing justice if they REFUSE to testify.

    These guys are basically saying to either change the law to accomodate them or else they dont have to obey it anyway and so far they;ve gotten away with it, I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS?????

    Mike

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  140. Anonymous2:30 PM

    NOW I"M PISSED.

    Mike

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  141. You feel the dark side of the Schwartz Luke.

    Use the Schwartz Luke.

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  142. U.N. Calls Guantanamo a U.S. Torture Camp
    By SAM CAGE
    Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 51 minutes ago

    GENEVA -
    The United States must close its detention facility at Guantanamo Bay because it is effectively a torture camp where prisoners have no access to justice, a U.N. report released Thursday concluded.

    The White House rejected the recommendation.

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  143. Its a sad day when the industrialized nations of the world we share, who have always looked to the US as a bastion of good, and freedom, now look to us with quaking fear, of our abomidable and unspeakable crimes against humanity.

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  144. Freedom Fan said

    "Our servicemen swear to obey the U.S. Constitution and the lawful orders of their superiors."

    This is getting ridiculous!

    I suggest the average infantryman may have enormous difficulty defining "lawful" when confronted by educated and superior ranking officers.

    I have spoken with (many e-mail's) the most highly decorated American soldier in the Korean War...Col. Anthony B. Herbert..173d Airborne...Vietnam. He begs to differ with you.

    His subordinate..Capt.Mike De Gurky sent me (unrequested by myself) a free autographed poem book he wrote.

    Herbert's refusal to follow the program and agree with unlawful orders reached Nixon himself and (allegedly) almost cost him his life.

    Decorated by Truman himself, Eleanor Roosevelt earlier gave Herbert this advice: The Army will try to use you...dont let them!

    Anthony B Herbert
    "Soldier" 1973

    Nevertheless, some muslim scum deserve to have their turbans ripped.; their wacky man.

    P.S Herbert also met Otto Skorzeny.

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  145. Guys about the pics of Abu Grabie(SP?) I was a company commander in Desert Storm so I am not a left wing commie pinko, that out of the way lets get a perspective,
    Before the pics, the jihadists flew planes into buildings and beheaded people, now that some of their fathers brothers uncles buddies and neighbors have been humiliated internationally by members of the US Army throuygh a wink and a nod about the geneva convention , WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK THEY WILL DO TO AMERICAN SOLDIERS NEXT TIMEW THEY GET SOME,
    The soldiers from the trans company and the two helo pilots from the war were not treated very bad compared to the Iraqis in the prison, but next time some poor GI is captured they are in for hell and we can't ask for Geneva convention we therw that out the window.
    I had to learn alot about how to treat EPW's(enemy prisoner of war) and EXACTLY why we do this. The guiding principle is the geneva convention built from the expierences of the allied prisoners of war at the hands of the NaZis and to a lesser extent the Japanese. What happened was a Nazi or Japanese tactic in WW@ for treatment of POW's and now we are doing it.
    The simple test for the question of are the actions proper is does the reversal of the rolesof the actors, put the prisoners in charge and the soldiers in the prisoners place, how would you feel and do you want US soldiers treated this way If the answer is no then the actions are wrong.
    If we don't want it done to our troops then we don't do it to theirs plain and simple

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  146. Respectfully Cliff, you do not write like an officer; I could be wrong.

    Having intensely studied the Russian Front, abuse of prisoners intensifies from either side depending how each one treats the other, therefore, I do agree with you.

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  147. I was, however a head injury from the gulf was makes some things harder, I'm 100% VA disabled

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  148. I salute you Cliff...if you are real.

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  149. As for the rest of your post, it sounded reasonable, cept you left out one little pesky detail.

    Bush made sure that Geneva does not apply to ALL of these prisoners.

    With no legal precedent, in the US or internationally, Bush labeled these guys enemy combatants and walla, no more pesky Geneva restrictions.

    They're torturing enmasse.

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  150. I removed my last post Cliff as I may have been hasty.

    On a second read I am not sure exactly where you are going, but it sounds like you're making sense.

    Also I noticed you in thinkprog, with the same comment, and I think your trying to say stop the torture, so for that I salute you along with Johnny.

    But I hope you don't put Iraq in the same sentence as 911 again, that just won't cut it with me.

    PS
    What was your MOS, rank and homebase? Just curious.

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  151. Please allow me to point out that some Canadians are just as guilty as some Americans when it comes to injustice in war.

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  152. Worfeus what I'm saying is the Radical Islamists were not nice before the pics and now they have at least one legitimate reason to be pissed off, You went on a rant yesterday about these pics, try to fit your head around how people who really don't like us already feel if the people in the pics are their relatives neighbors or friends, what I'm saying it is not even in our own self interest to have our troops doing this but I don't think our troops welfare is really high on the thought process for the neo-cons both in and out of the Bushco admin, otherwise the fiasco of not enough armor both personnel and vehicle etc wouldn't be happening here. The support the troops makes a good campaign slogan but hard if you have to put money in the troop protection, VA, and support to the returning Guard and reserves, instead of Halliburton, Defence weapon industries that can not even be used in an insurgency style if war that is what Iraq is now, Bush, Rumsfeld don't want to listen to anything as to why the battle in Iraq is not goping like the want us to believe, and ignore any historical perspective on the situation, even Churchill realised in 1919 that Iraq as well as the middle east was not going to be conqured militarily by any western (christian from the arabs standpoint) power, not Iraq, not Afganistan, and they got out. Also no military power has ever been able to defeat an insurgancy if the insurgants were also the native population, from the american Revolution where Washington et al were the insurgents through vietnam where Ho Chi Mihn and Giap were the insurgenta against the Japanese, French and the US. The only way to defeat an insurgancy is what we did in the 1800's to the american Indian, whole sale slaughter and putting the rest on reservations( in WW2 we called them interment camps) , hopefully we can't even think of trying that, but as the days go by I'm not sure how far the Neo-cons would go to control the energy resources of this planet.

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  153. W, I'm the same clif that had USA Patriot at TP on the run one night if you are the same Worfeus

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  154. Holy Crap Cliff!

    Is that you????

    OMG, sorry. I've been kinda on the defensive in here of months now, fighting off nothing but trolls for the most part.

    Yea I'm the same Worfeus, and we sure cleaned his clock that night, didn't we?

    You are the MAN Cliff and I am a bozo!

    Nice to see you. Don't be a stranger.

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  155. Cliff is the real Mckoy Johnny.

    He's the real deal.

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  156. Off topic but curious, where is Lynn Cheney after all this has to be the most traumatic thing Dick Cheney has ever done, where is his wife to defend him like she defended her daughter after the debate, I really wonder if the real story was Dick got caught and he was trying to keep the truth from Lynn Cheney about the hunting trip with the Ambassador to Switzerland, and the mess is he didn't think the national implications through.

    As an aside might the secret secure UNDISCLOSED location have anything to do with the American embassy in Bern?

    Just a thought i had.

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  157. I dont know about this one Worf... a little fishy to me.

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  158. I blame Lydia and her illusions for giving me hope on this one.

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  159. Thank you Cliff, I was very moved by your post about the Golden Rule. And Worfeus & Mike -- if Bush is allowing torture like this, we have to do something NOW. We have to stop our government because we have crossed the line and we are as bad as the Nazis.

    I feel it is true. I am going to post your comments, Mikes and Worfeus on the blog.
    xo

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  160. Johnny; Worfeus and I trolled a troll to death, he quit using that moniker after the chicken-hawking we gave him, was fun but didn't get rid of the stench in DC

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  161. No Johnny, he's the real deal. Theres nothing fishy about Cliff.

    He's a stalwart at ThinkProgress, where I also am a familiar.

    I can't believe I didn't recognize him.

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  162. His ass is still reeling from that one.

    Now if he sees either of us, he just kind of, slithers away.

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  163. Extremely strange an officer would care to address you rather than my Herbert points :D

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  164. You should look at some of the posts here Cliff.


    We've had some pretty good discussions in here.

    And trolls? You want trolls?

    We got trolls-o-plenty.

    We got some good ones, and some bad ones, some smart ones and some dumb ones, but we got em.

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  165. Worf

    No joking - is he real or not?

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  166. Well you free to talk to him on that one Johnny, but I can tell you he's been down this road before in a much larger pond.

    If he wasn't the real deal, the vets would have tore him apart in TP. Even Judd and Nico would have been on him.

    Hes for real.

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  167. Hey Cliff, don't forget to tell your friends about this blog.

    We are a lot more lax about things here than TP, so its a good place to make some points, and your comments stay up longer since this is a smaller pond.

    Besides, Lydia's hotter than Judd, LoL.

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  168. EXCELLENT WORF !

    I unreservedly stand behind you.

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  169. My instincts intially told me he was Okay until you doubted.

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  170. Yea, all this bobbin and weavins made me punchy.

    Gotta watch that friendly fire.

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  171. One thing Clif hates is Chickenhawks.

    He eats them for lunch.

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  172. Cliff

    Respectfully.... do you feel true peace is achievable?

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  173. Our servicemen swear to obey the U.S. Constitution and the lawful orders of their superiors.
    -Freedom Fan

    This is getting ridiculous!
    I suggest the average infantryman may have enormous difficulty defining "lawful" when confronted by educated and superior ranking officers.

    -Johnny Moo²

    Agreed, sometimes it is difficult to do what is right legally and morally. But that is why we were given free will by our Creator. While your anecdote is nice these are the facts:

    "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
    -Oath of enlistment, U.S. Military

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
    -Commissioned officer's oath, U.S. Military

    Every serviceman has access to the UCMJ; if you don't violate it, there is no basis for prosecution. On a practical level, do you really think any of the participants doubted that what they were doing was morally reprehensible? But you're right; that is getting ridiculous.

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  174. FF Said
    On a practical level, do you really think any of the participants doubted that what they were doing was morally reprehensible?

    Honestly? Yes, I doubt they thought it was morally reprehensible.

    From the study of human psychology we have learned that ALL humans at ALL times think what they are doing is right.

    The human mind is ultimately binary. Its either on or off, yes or no.

    So if you think what you are about to do is wrong, most people won't be able to do it at that point.

    Oh you might think there are wrong things about it, but ultimately your mind has weighed the good and the bad of it, and made its decision based on whichever choice to you represents the most good.

    I think they believed that 911 justified these types of actions to these people.

    I think they saw them as less then human.

    And I think that they were conditioned to think that way by a permeating mentality in the military today, that has been discussed by returning Iraqi war veterans at great length.

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  175. And I think as in all class action crimes, its the puppeteers, and not the puppets that are ultimately to blame.

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  176. And as with so many attrocities, this stuff is done secretly, subtly, and gradually.

    The water gets hotter, but the frog doesn't feel it.

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  177. Johnny It is acording to what peace you talk about, After GW1 I was diagnosed with PTSD and spend a couple of years in sort of hell but through help from a whole lot of people I've achieved a senerity that I can live with in, if you mean peace through out the entire world I'm not really sure we can get 6.5 billion people to live together and get along, because there are always a few that want to take advantage of the rest and a few more that will do the first groups bidding, Greed etc plays a big role along with a persons sence of inadequacy which if the person is in a place of power whether Nixon or Bush etc they will play their inner insecurities out on the national and world stage, The neo-cons want to control the energy sources of this planet thus maximise their wealth but bush is trying to out do his daddy and he thinks conquring Iraq would do that for him, his demand for all yes men is also tied to his insecurity, but his drinking is also.

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  178. Cliff -- Yes George Bush is a dry drunk, or maybe not so dry. He never surrendered his ego and gained a modicum of humility. Sounds like you know the 12-steps, which I believe everyone could benefit from: how to get along in this world and be of love and service. The best route to spiritual and emotional serenity (finding "God").

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  179. OUTSTANDING CLIFF! :O

    Told you Lydia!

    CLIFF said:

    ..."If you mean peace through out the entire world I'm not really sure we can get 6.5 billion people to live together and get along, because there are always a few that want to take advantage of the rest and a few more that will do the first groups bidding, Greed etc plays a big role along with a persons sence of inadequacy....."

    Drinks are on me Cliff :D

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  180. Have to be Dr Pepper that is as hard as I go now

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  181. Johnny moo moo said...
    OUTSTANDING CLIFF! :O

    Told you Lydia!

    Great Clif.

    Now there will be no living with him, LOL. :D

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  182. Worfeus Saddam converted his oil sales to the Euro in 2000 and got attacked in 2003, Syria has no oil to speak of but this month converted to the Euro for its international exchange, Iran is coing to open an oil market to compete with the NY ans london exchanges and to boot they are going to use Euros, If the world can buy oil with Euros they won’t need dollars and then they will dump the dollars on the worlds currency market causing the dollars value to fall causing the costs of oil for us to rise, also the ability for the US to service its $8,000,000,000,000(yes there are that many zeros) debt to become difficult if not impossible, leading to either a rapid devaluation of the dollar to the euro,yen etc ala germany in the 1924-1929 period or the “bankrupcy” of the US government on its debt thus no more world borrowing for deficiets, a samll war or two to these neo-cons mind is a small price for their continued control especially if they don’t have to fight it.

    I posted this at think progress but here just as well.

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  183. "And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed - I'm unplugged - a new man, so to speak, like you, apparently free."

    Neo: Congratulations.

    Smith: Thank you. But as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free, we're here because we're not free. There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose - because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist.
    It is purpose that created us,
    Purpose that connects us,
    Purpose that pulls us,
    That guides us,
    That drives us,
    It is purpose that defines,
    Purpose that binds us.

    Smith: We're here because of you, Mister Anderson, we're here to take from you what you tried to take from us.

    Purpose.

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  184. Honestly? Yes, I doubt they thought it was morally reprehensible.

    From the study of human psychology we have learned that ALL humans at ALL times think what they are doing is right.

    -worfeus

    This is absurd; give me your source.

    Criminal intent is legally established primarily on the basis of whether the perpetrator knew or was capable of knowing what he did was was wrong.

    Actually what you have isolated for all is the essential difference between Liberals and Conservatives.

    Conservative's lives are founded upon broad moral principles which are determined far in advance of when they need to be applied.
    Whereas liberals simply act how they feel like acting at the moment. They scoff at moral principals and talk a lot about "nuance" as if that concept were superior to consistency and truth.

    For Conservatives, freedom is very important because it is essential to allowing the exercise of free will. In turn, free will is the essence of humanity; it is the characteristic which distinguishes humans from the rest of Creation.

    Liberals are ambivalent about freedom. They take it for granted and assume when a Conservative talks about it, it is just some sort of propaganda. Liberals always think that someone else is responsible for their own lives and happiness; the will rarely accept personal responsibility for their actions. Your puppet-puppeteer analogy expresses this core liberal belief succinctly.

    Thanks for your candor.

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  185. Anyone who has not seen the remake of On the Beach with Armand Asante, should see it.

    Its long, 4 hours, and depressing as crap, but its a real Truth-o-Cution to those who think we have nothing to worry about.

    Watch the cloud envelope the globe.

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  186. "Who launched first?" the Austrailian journalist asked the Submarine commander of the only submarine left in the US fleet, who represented the last Americans left alive.

    His reply? "Who cares?"

    When one launched, they all launched. And it was over before it got started.

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  187. Lydia

    Your quick to agree, but not so readily to take on Johnny moo moo?

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