Thursday, February 23, 2006


I have a strangely hopeful feeling that the world will not annihilate itself. (see below) We must put our thoughts on the good in people, even in our "enemies". We can't spiral downward into fear or it will consume us. On that note, I am beginning to think Bush is secretly Muslim. Woudn't that explain his strange actions? Even Michael Savage is up in arms: "Something is wrong with a nation that will sell anything for few billion bucks."

WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY, SAYS GET OUT OF IRAQ NOW!! Arch-conservative, founder of The National Review, and brainiac, says we must admit defeat and get out of the way of the Civil War, which we caused. No wise leader would have taken the bait after 911 and involved our great country in a middle-east war. In fact, wasn't it Dick Cheney himself who warned never to get involved in the chaos of Iraq, back in 1991?

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Dubai reminds me of the alien bar scene in STAR WARS: a place where international crooks, thieves, arms dealers, jet-setters, billionaires and the CIA all meet to play. And I think Michael Jackson too. It's a modern-day Casablanca. Dubai represents everything glitzy about capitalism in the Arab world; I wonder why AQ & OBL leaves them alone? I heard tonight that Osama gets paid off a lot of money NOT to attack Dubai. His family is not so estranged; they all take care of each other.

I'm posting an amazing essay by Wayne Dyer about how we must try to empathize and understand our enemies, no matter how evil they seem. They are human beings. Do we really wonder why more and more "insurgents" hate us so much, they are blowing themselves up ? Would it be natural if a madman invaded us and we didn't try to fight back, even to defend our own leader, no matter how much we hated him? He may be an evil despot, but he's our evil despot! We're on their soil, trying to force them into our form of democracy!

Errol Morris' THE FOG OF WAR interviews Robert McNamara about the lessons we didn't learn from Vietnam. To this day, the Vietnamese whom we fought to liberate, view us as enslavers. We have never learned our lesson: that communication, really listening to the needs and point of view of the other side, could save countless lives & destruction. To be hell-bent on war, saying the insurgents envy us because of our freedom is a total lie and cop-out. We just don't care to look at our part as enslavers, invaders. That's how we'll be remembered by the Iraqi people. A little girl was blown to bits after her famiily's apartment suffered its 3rd bombing. How on earth have we improved matters and protected our homeland by this heinous war?

To me it always seemed that 911 happened because Osama was getting back directly at the Bush-Saudi-Carlyle relationship. I'm not blaming Bush directly for it, I'm just saying the Bush family has been in the global oil business with the Saudis for many years. See Clif's posting about James Baker, here in the comment section. Are we going to inflame passions against us even further by doing another big deal with UAE? As I said, Michael Moore was right; and I don't know if anyone thought this at the time, but I have always suspected this : Doesn't it seem odd that no one has mentioned that 911 happened directly BECAUSE BUSH WAS IN POWER? Bush and the Carlyle Group/UAE Saudi business dealings were the "thorn in Osama's side". Osama had a "daddy complex" just like Dybya. Osama waited to do his biggest attack until Bush was in power, as a double whammy: getting back at both his home country and their capitalistic interests in U.S. oil companies, mainly Bush Co. BECAUSE of his Saudi connection. Craig Unger's book "House of Bush, House of Saud" seems very timely now.

Heard about a great book written by Reagan Republican Bruce Bartlett: "Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy"

Remember the movie "The Year of Living Dangerously"? I was having thoughts about wearing khaki and going to Indonesia or the Middle East when it was mysterious and exotic. What is the cause, what's responsible for the rise in Fundamentalist extremism in the Middle-East?

All this chaos in the world is happening to bring us closer to our spirit, our humanity. We have been snowballing toward excess, materialism, style over substance, violence, porn, for years. There is never enough blood, guts and sex and drugs to fill us up. There is only one way to go: toward healing, the kingdom which is within us. The more we focus on the good in others, even our enemies, the more the good increases. This is a law of the universe, and it's the only real way to pray.


  1. Um...yeah. Mik alMoor is an amazingly brilliant dude endowed with beaucoup integrity; I allus believe whatever he says. That's why I'm absolutely convinced "There is no terrorist threat" and Dubya is responsible for all the evil in the world, especially the WTC inferno. Too bad Mik is too shy to run for President. Everyone would vote for least everyone in the Democrat base.

  2. Anonymous5:40 PM

    Hey there is more to this than meets the eye. An army general was just on Air America and said that 911 could not possibly have happened if SOMEONE didn't know about it. Was NORAD disabled that morning? Bush had dealings with the Carlyle Group that go way back.

    Didn't Bush say that anyone who harbors a terrorist, or has dealings with a terrorist government is the same as a terrorist? Didn't he say his number one mission was to capture Osama? And then he turned around and said, "Osama -- I don't spend that much time thinking about him."

    Is this guy for real?
    James W.

  3. Why so defensive FF ? If Michael Moore stretched the truth in 2004 to try to get people to see things his way, how is he different from GWB? And how many people have died because of any "deception" Moore may have tried to pull? Contrast that to GWB..... do we really have to total up the destruction Bush has caused as a result of his lies...... sure he didn't know he was lying -- I absolutely believe that -- because he doesn't know his @$$ from a hole in the ground, and wants only yes men around him. Cheney,
    Rummy, Condi, Wolfie, and the rest of the gang told him what they wanted him to hear, and being unable to think critically.... he bought all of it. Then they lied to Powell and made him look like a moron at the UN..... something he'll never get over. But no matter.... he was a useful shill. Thanks for your years of service..... and don't let the door hit you in the @$$ on the way out.

    I'm sorry on this one..... and I do believe MM took some "license" in F 9/11..... BUT Michael Moore has more integrity in his stool sample than GWB has in his entire being.

  4. "We have a saying in Texas... I'm sure you do in Tennessee...... Fool me once .... shame on ... shame on you ...... fool me can't get fooled again."

  5. But Lydia I disagree that OBL waited to hit until Bush was in charge. I know this is all opinion, but Al Q seems to wait patiently until they are ready and do things by their own time table. They don't have 30 minute TV shows -- so they seem a little more patient to me. They would have hit on Gore's watch just the same.

  6. The Carlyle Group has many influencial people who work for or have worked for them, this includes Former President Bush(ret10/03), current president Bush(before he ran for governour of Texas), John Major, Fidel Ramos(9ret 02/04) former president of the philipines) Richard Darman(Reagans first budget director) Aurther Levitt (former head of the SEC), Frank Carlucci, ((ret 03/05)Reagan's former Sec. of Def.), William Kennard(former head of the FCC), and James a. Baker, who watched the September 11 attacks at the Ritz-Carlton with the Bin Laden family. He has been hired by the Saudi's to defend against a trillion-dollar lawsuit brought forth by the September 11 families. Baker has led the campaigns of the last four Republican presidents. George W. Bush has chosen James A. Baker as his personal envoy in charge of restructuring Iraq's $132 billion in debt. Some say he's the most powerful lawyer in the world. He's the Senior Counsel for The Carlyle Group, a company that invests pension funds in defense and telecommunications companies around the world. The Carlyle Group is the nation's 10th largest defense contractor, with extensive ties to Enron, Global Crossing, Arthur Andersen, the Saudi Royal Family, the united Arab Emeriates, and the Bin Ladens.

    This is the same James A. Baker that works for the Department of Justice as the Counsel for Intelligence Policy. "The Office serves as adviser to the Attorney General and various client agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Defense and State Departments, concerning questions of law, regulation, and guidelines as well as the legality of domestic and overseas intelligence operations."

    And James A. Baker says the government shouldn't overreact to corporate scandals.

    More to come......................

  7. Two other fromer government workers who joined Carlyle...

    The former commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service Charles Rossotti was hired as a senior advisor.

    ANDREW FISHER left his job as head of Coutts, which requires customers to have minimum assets of £500,000 in cash or £5m-worth of property, the Queen's banker, for a role at the Carlyle Gruoup

  8. Freedom Fan.

    I have a feeling you have never seen Farenheit 911.

    If you have never seen it, I suggest you sit through it. Just watch it. If you have, then watch it again.

    In fact, everyone should look at it again, with new eyes.

    I am going to watch it again this evening.

  9. Found this and I'm certainly sure that Larry Klayman is no bleeding-heart liberal

    Bush Sr. Could Profit From War

    by Geoffrey Gray

    Larry Klayman likes suing the United States government. Over the last seven years as chairman and general counsel of Judicial Watch, a public interest law firm in Washington, he has filed over 150 lawsuits against the feds, including more than 80 against former president Bill Clinton himself. Called the Ralph Nader of the right, Klayman has litigation habits considered by some Beltway insiders as wildly ambitious. Others think he's just plain crazy.

    But now Klayman and Judicial Watch are pawing in disbelief through President George W. Bush's past business connections with the Saudi-based Bin Laden family. The firm is demanding that GWB's father, the original President Bush, immediately resign from his post as a paid senior adviser to the Carlyle Group, a private Washington equity firm that according to The New York Times has essentially become the nation's 11th largest defense contractor.

    Carlyle's investors include the Bin Laden family, which has disowned its terrorist son Osama; Bush Sr.; and former Bush inner guard members Nick Carlucci and James Baker. Judicial Watch says all involved stand to benefit from any increase in U.S. defense spending.

    "It's mind-boggling," says Klayman. "This conflict of interest has now turned into a scandal." With the recent U.S. air strikes in Afghanistan, Klayman says, the conflict of interest is now "direct."

    Klayman questions why Bush the Younger is not aggressively pursuing Saudi Arabia, a country known to harbor terrorists. He points to Bush the Elder's business connections there, like the Saudi-based Bin Laden family, through Carlyle. "President Bush should not ask, but demand, that his father pull out of the Carlyle Group," says Klayman.

    Neither former president Bush-who has continued advising his son on handling the war on terrorism-nor the Carlyle Group returned calls seeking comment.

    In a case of "like father, like son," President Bush also had connections to the Carlyle Group, the Voice has learned. In the years before his 1994 bid for Texas governor, Bush owned stock in and sat on the board of directors of Caterair, a service company that provided airplane food and was also a component of Carlyle. For his consulting position, Bush was paid $15,000 a year, according to a Texas insider, and a bonus $1000 for every meeting he attended-roughly $75,000 in total. Reports show Carlyle was also a major contributor to his electoral fund.

    Upon hearing about the Bush-Bin Laden family connection, other Washington nonprofits have joined Judicial Watch in expressing their concern.

    "Carlyle is as deeply wired into the current administration as they can possibly be," Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center for Public Integrity, told "George Bush is getting money from private interests that have business before the government, while his son is president. And, in a really peculiar way, George W. Bush could, some day, benefit financially from his own administration's decisions, through his father's investments. The average American doesn't know that. To me, that's a jaw-dropper."

  10. Libby's Lawyers Want Charges Dismissed
    Associated Press Writer
    Thu Feb 23, 4:48 PM ET

    Lawyers for Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide asked a federal judge Thursday to dismiss his indictment on grounds that the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case lacked authority.

    In a court filing, lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby said his indictment violated the Constitution because Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald was not appointed by the president with the consent of the Senate.

    The defense attorneys also said Fitzgerald's appointment violated federal law because his investigation was not supervised by the attorney general.

    They said only Congress can approve such an arrangement

  11. Forget whether or not he's guilty.

    Since George and his henchmen did not get to impede Patrick Fitzgerald by dictating what he can and can not do, they don't think they should have to play.

    I can understand Georgie not liking Pat Fitzgerald.

    I bet he's never met a good man.

  12. Another story of interest;

    Bin Laden Family Could Profit
    From A Jump In Defense Spending
    Due To Ties To U.S. Bank

    By Daniel Golden, James Bandler
    and Marcus Walker Staff Reporters of

    27 September 2001

    A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November 1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

    Special Report: Aftermath of Terror Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank By Daniel Golden, James Bandler And Marcus Walker, Staff Reporters of 'THE WALL STREET JOURNAL'

    If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family.

    Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies.

    Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman.

    Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added.

    The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops.

    But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide.

    People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said.

    "If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow."

    Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S.

    A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

    But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

    The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters."

    A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice."

    Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures.

    Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says.

    During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors."

    Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts."

    There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden.

    Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.

  13. Barbara Boxer just said on Joe Scarborough that the UAE just dumped 8 Billion into the Carlyle group.

  14. Joe Scarborough said this just looks bad for the president.

  15. Worfeus this link is to a letter Jay Rockefeller sent to John Negroponte, complaining about leaks to Bob Woodward for his book "BUSH AT WAR", tangental to the Libby case but informative all the same

  16. "Barbara Boxer just said on Joe Scarborough that the UAE just dumped 8 Billion into the Carlyle group."

    Cher chez la money.

    I wonder how much of that 8 billion comes from the 9 billion we "lost" in Iraq? Keep 1 billion for yourself... give the other 8 back to the family.

  17. The federal investigation into the lobbying activities of Jack Abramoff has broadened to examine his dealings with the Russian government and a pair of high-profile Russian energy company executives. It is legal for foreigners to hire lobbyists, but Abramoff’s dealings in this area have come under federal investigation because his fees were so large and because investigators are examining whether he might have bribed members of Congress.

    Source: Boston Globe — Abramoff ties to Russians probed

  18. I lived in Houston for a year and am very familar with James Baker's law firm Baker & Botts, it is the most prominent law firm in Houston, in fact I applied there for a job while I was living there, so out of curiosity I just googled Baker & Botts, and I found out that they have offices in Riyadh Saudi Arabia and Dubai United Arab Emirates and have their hands in quite a few cookie jars in the Energy and Defense industies, they have ties to pipelines in Afghanistan, Enron, Carlyle etc....

  19. Look at all the ties this administration has to both Saudi Arabia and UAE the two countries where the terrorists that orchestrated 9/11 came from and also where the money was funneled.There's the Bushes, theres Carlyle, James Baker and Baker & Botts with offices in Riyadh and Dubai, theres ties to the Bin Laden's etc..


  20. and lets not forget their ties to Haliburton and major deals in Iraq and Afghanistan, these guys are directly profiting from the wars, can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

  21. What I'm saying is, Osama was getting back directly at the Bush-Saudi-Carlyle relationship. Are we going to inflame passions against us even further by doing another big deal with UAE?

    Dubai reminds me of the alien bar scene in STAR WARS: a place where international crooks, thieves, arms dealers, jet-setters, billionaires and the CIA all meet to play. And I think Michael Jackson too.

  22. The whole thing reminds me of Star Wars, from the war that is not what it seems, to using the war to seize power and change the laws, I could go on....

  23. Lydia, Do you think the UAE Port deal is a deliberate contrived action to stir up the hornets nest and inflame the terrorists into doing something terrible which could serve to deflect the heat off of this administration so they can continue to seize power, wage war and basically do what ever they want.

  24. more and more i'm starting to become suspicious about 9/11 it made Bush's presidency and allowed him to seize power and get away with pretty much anything he wants, i'm starting to wonder if it wasnt allowed to slip through the cracks purposely or contrived, as it helped both Bush and Bin Laden.

    Initially I was with Kirk, that the attack had nothing to do with Bush being in office, I felt Bush and Bin Laden had a love hate relationship in that they despised each other, but at the same time they both benefited greatly from the others existence and actions. Bush benefited from the terrorist bogey man and Bin Laden from Bush's business ties, occupation of arab land and inflamatory policies and statements. To Bin Laden Bush is like the bumbling corrupt sheriff on the Dukes of Hazzard, (even looks like him a little) you may not like him, but why would you want to replace him with some one more competent and intelligent when he's not even a worthy adversary.

    After some thought I think Osama was upset at the Saudi/America relationship, but if I had to guess I would say the timing was a coincidence, i'm more suspicious that the Neo Cons may have purposely let 9/11 slip through.

    And even more suspicious that the port deal may be an attempt to stir the terrorist into acting and take the heat off of this administration, they dont seem opposed to using fear to justify their actions or push their agenda and just like 9/11 another domestic terrorist attack could be the best thing that could happen for Bush and co right now.

  25. Lydia said;

    What I'm saying is, Osama was getting back directly at the Bush-Saudi-Carlyle relationship

    I am really going to have to ponder this one.

    That sounds right.

  26. I mean, since so many Bin Laden family members are either part of or associated with Carlyle, then he of course would be in "the loop", so to speak, on any big deals.

  27. Let me ask this, do you think the port deal is a contived act to stir up the terrorists into doing something horrible, or is it just pigs at the trough, or horse trading/you scratch my back or keep my secret and i'll do the same for you, or all the above??

  28. Mike

    I believe this deal was in the works by people around Bush.

    I think the fact that the UAE just happened to recently pump 8 BILLION Dollars into the Carlyle group, certainly smells like a pre-arranged deal.

  29. Its possible Bush knew about this before this weekend and is lying, (I know, imagine Bush lying?), but it seems more likely that key players including Rove, and others had struck this deal a while back.

    When Bush found out they told him to endorse it, and don't ask too many questions. They told him its good for America.

    Maybe he knew, or maybe he's exactly what I've always thought he was. A former Presidents spoiled little brat son who they took aside one day and said, "Hey, you're gonna be President. Don't worry, well take care of everything, before, and after you're in office.

  30. Ma man Homley W Stimpson
    is sellin the land our homes are on ----------to the Great lovable dictators of those lands, It's not on purpose that just hoW he tinks.

    Aren't he a genioiuos ?

  31. One problem that Bin Laden has with both bush and the Saudi's comes from the fact that in 1990 the Saudi royal monarchy turned down Osama's offer to play Saladin and save the Muslim Holyland from the infidel Saddam, the Kingdom instead went with the surerpower that had a standing deal with them since the early 70's namely the US, who Osama came to see as the roadblock to the reestablishment of the muslim caliphate. The fact that Bin Laden's family and Bush senior wree involved in Carlyle together added fuel to the fire and as time went on the Bin Laden family rejected Osama while doing business with Carlyle which both Bush's were involved in. The attacks of 9-11 Osama struck at the center of the world oil markets the center of the US military establishment, and the heart of the US economy. He inadvertantly aided Bush, because about the only thing Bush did right in the first week was to answer a question in a photo op, but the Rove spin machine was able to use that image to build a persona for george 43 to hide his incompetence for world affairs behind. The move against Afganistan is a no brainer but the military plan lacked real planning and failed in its major objectives, Osama is still around, and the attack today against the saudi oil refinery is evidence that Al Quaeda is still a force to be reconed with, and the Taliban is still fighting ib afganistan and they have adopted the tactics of the insurgency in Iraq that have proven effective at tieing up the US objectives while destabilising the Iraqi situation and moving Iraq toward civil war. The invasion into Iraq while militarily effective in the first months has turned into an object failure for after the battle, read Bremmers book and the head in the sand approach to the growing problems in Iraq on both Bush and Rumsfeld parts becomes apparant. Bush thinks that because he advocates an idea it should be imediately accepted and implimented and does not understand the subtle nuances of the world does not work well with his black and white approach. Rumsfeld has an ideological approach to the US defence and he forced his views on the military leadership in the pentagon first by going light and quick and relying on the rose senarios for the foloow on to the battle, his problem was ignoring the historical prespective of Iraq and the Islamic fundementalist did not have the same mindset, so his lack oif planning lead directly into their hands to build and use the Iraqi insurection. Bin Laden has piggy backed his cause in Iraq thru Zarqawi, and they are turning Iraq into the Afganisran of the 80's with thw US holding the Russians role.

  32. Clif: we've never met and I don't know much about you other than what I've read here.

    But please...... run for congress. I'm totally serious. You have a great ability to analyze and are curious to know as many facts as you can before you begin analyzing. I'll be glad to donate my $100 to your campaign

  33. C3-peedon8:15 AM

    Why as a citizen do I feel sooo rusty when ever I think of these events
    Congress' skepticism over the deal has elicited cries of bigotry.

    Why Why Why ????

    Is it raining aagain ?

    Foreign-owned companies operate many ports in the United States. For example, companies from China, Denmark, Japan, Singapore and Taiwan run docks in Los Angeles, California

  34. Kirk I was diagnosed with PTSD after Desert Storm and have serious migrane headaches from a small head injury so I could not do the job well enough for the people I would represent.

  35. Clif: GW Bush has an IQ of 70 and he overcame that (didn't he?)

  36. You guys could do a photo op together..... the PTSD congressman with the mentally retarded President.

  37. C3-pee don8:52 AM

    Does Al Queda run any ports ?

  38. Clif, I think your 6:51PM post is right on the money. BTW, I also agree with Kirk you do have a great ability to analyze a situation and seperate the wheat from the chaff and distill it down to the key issues and what is really going on and who the major players are and what their real motives may be.

  39. This story has alot to say what is currently wrong with america, the charity is to benifit a GOLF CLUB at a Oklahoma University? Boone Pickins aiding the boys of oilmen while they get college credit for playing golf and that is charity?

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  41. United Arab Emirates Donated At Least $1M To Bush Library

    eNuff said

  42. I had a disturbing thought this morning, if the Bush Administration is really motivated to invade Iran, how would they go about it, well Bush could try to say Congress gave him the power to declare war on Iraq, and that power carries over to declaring war on any country that could threaten our safety, but with all the heat the Bush Administration is under, I dont think he would attempt this at this point, He could ask Congress to approve the war, but I think that it is highly unlikely that they would approve another war, what I could see happening is another domestic terrorist attack that is somehow tied to the Iranian government. Bush would then get up on the Bully pit and start saying that he has the authority to do whatever it takes to keep our country safe and root out terrorism and insure the spreading of democracy in the Middle East. He would also say the Iranian government is in league with the terrorists, they have allready hit us once domestically, we must stop them before they can fully develop their nuclear capacity and use it to hit us domestically or to derail the spreading of democracy in Iraq, he would then declare war on Iran, and I belive instead of the usual 6 month to a year preparations for war, the war would commence in a matter of weeks or a couple of months, like it had been planned in advance for quite sometime just as Iraq was.

  43. Mike said...
    Lydia, Do you think the UAE Port deal is a deliberate contrived action to stir up the hornets nest and inflame the terrorists into doing something terrible which could serve to deflect the heat off of this administration so they can continue to seize power, wage war and basically do what ever they want?

    Mike -- some people think that, but I don't. I actually think the whole thing is a lucrative business deal, business as usual for the Bush clan. He just never remembers that he's PRESIDENT and has an obligation to consult the American people! I picture Bush playing with a Nintendo Game Boy and looking at Rove & Cheney saying, "When do I get to go play? I'm tired of being president." Actually during Katrina I pictured him going: "Someone else will take care of it, see the weathermen have it under control. (At least no one can blame me -- this is nature's business, (God's hurricane.")

    There is a theory that great leaders will always step outside the box and go alone to save the life of a screaming woman, but most people, when when 2 or more average people are in a room together and they hear a person screaming for their life -- they each think someone else will handle it. They don't take heroic action to rescue.

    Also Bush has never ONCE vetoed any bill, so all the pork barrel spending congressmen dream up -- like the Alaska congressman who got a few billion to build a bridge to nowhere -- they are having a heyday!!

  44. Freedom Fan -- I must say your Gandalf picture makes you look very dashing, and I picture you looking like this.

    Send me a picture of you.

  45. Want to bet that since Nigeria has oil the christofascists won't push to get the US in on the side of the southern nigerians in what is a slow burning civil war?

  46. C3-pee don9:46 AM

    --- sigh ----

  47. Lydia your picture of bush doesn't take into account fo the fact he was picked by the neo-con crowd lead by Cheney to run for pres, and that crowd with Roves machiavillian moves steam rolled the opposition to the nomination, and then Cheney set up the situation for Bush to pick him for VP, the promise being that 'Dick" will do the hard stuff if Bush will do the photo ops and play the pres for the TV audiance. He gets to go on vacation to cut brush any time he wants...

  48. Lydia

    I just read the re-write of your latest article. Its an excellent article, and it gets right to the point.

    It's incendiary.

    The only thing I may differ in my belief on is Bush's involvment in 911. I don't think he knew exactly what was going to happen, but I think they knew something was going to happen, and they allowed it.

    In fact, they wanted it.

    Watch Farenheit 911 again, and watch the expressions on Bush's face when he hears.

    Its an expression of acknowlegement of something already known.

    Regardless whether you think I'm a kook or not, one thing no one can deny. 911 was singlehandedly the best thing that ever happened to George 'Dubya' Bush.

  49. Freedom Fan won't like this but it is funny(to me )

    How many members of the Bush Administration are needed to change a light bulb?

    1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed.

    2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the light bulb needs to be changed.

    3. One to decide that, yeah, it IS dark in here.

    4. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb.

    5. One to tell the nations of the world that they are either for changing the light bulb or for darkness.

    6. One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to Haliburton for the new light bulb.

    7. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: “Light Bulb Change Accomplished.”

    8. One administration insider to resign and write a book documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark.

    9. One to viciously smear #8.

    10. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all along.

    11. And finally, one to confuse Americans about the difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.

    Comment by unbelievable — February 24, 2006 @ 12:48 pm

  50. Clif, I think you and Lydia are both right, I can see Cheney and the Neo Cons dragging Bush away from his video games to make a speech to sell their rhetoric, I think they feel a lot of the nation identifies with Bush and feels he is a regular guy like them and will trust what he says, its pretty obvious to me that when he makes a speech, he is trying to "SELL" the Neo Con Agenda to the public.

  51. Worf, I know the Conspiracy theory haters are going to hate me, but I think i'm with you, (I guess i'm a kook too) I think 9/11 was the best thing for Bush's presidency, their respose just seemed to pat when compared to their bumbling respose to everything else, kind of like they were following the pre planned agenda, He has used 9/11 to justify doing pretty much anything he wants and to me this doesnt smell right.


    Check out this story on James Baker and Baker and Botts.

  53. Clif

    Thats hilarious. (But too true).

    Mike, I agree with Clif and Lydia too. In fact, its what I have been saying for the last dozen blogs or so.

    Bush couldn't tie his shows without instructions from the people pulling the strings.

    Bush is the kid that Karl made President.

  54. Just look at how well they've tried to portray Bush as an "everyman" that someone would want to sit down and have beer with, or go out back and clear brush with. Does anyone really think that Dick Cheney could have won a national election running for President? No way! He needed an alter ego to be the face of the presidency, and not just any face, but a face that came with a well known political name attached to it: BUSH. That was the plan from the time Dubya ran for governor in Texas.

    I have no doubt that 9/11 was a planned op with ties far beyond being just a terrorist act. The geopolitical ramifications of that were too important to the neo-con/PNAC agenda for it to have just been a case of dumb-luck. They needed a "new Pearl Harbor" and they got it, conveniently, just eight months after taking them plenty of time to get in the invasion of Iraq before they had to begin worrying about re-election.

    The PNAC crowd wasn't going to sit on their hands when they had an historically rare opportunity with a Republican president, a Republican House and a Republican Senate with which to carry out their grand plans for the "New American Century", as they call it. There was no way they were going to let this opportunity slip by, and I believe it was planned well in advance. Listen, if the Joint Chiefs of Staff was willing to kill innocent Americans in 1962 in order to provoke a war with Cuba (Operation Northwoods), then it shouldn't surprise anyone that our senior leaders would be willing to go to extremes to accomplish their elaborate objectives.

  55. I see bush different, he's vain and I mean really vain, the screened audience and staged events are for his EGO, look close when an unscripted question gets through and he doesn't look brilliant, he flashes rage but keeps it under control. He's the cheerleader of this crew, and doesn't mind the photo ops because with the prepared lines and staged events he gets to look intelligent and in charge. Given his mediocre academic history and long list of business failures that Daddy's friends bailed him out of combined with his failure at the military thing would indicate his confidence in George W. Bush might not be as high as the spinmeisters want everybody else to have. Everybody knows their own failures deep down and his history must in some way make him feel so insecure that the chance to play president on TV and sit in the Oval office or at the BIG cabinet table with many people who are really smarter that he knows he really is feeds his ego, because he gets to tell the smart people what to do(as long as Dick Cheney agrees). He is not a child but an insecure dry drunk with powers to feed that ego, and he does.

  56. I like when he can't go off the stage..

  57. DrewL said...
    Just look at how well they've tried to portray Bush as an "everyman" that someone would want to sit down and have beer with

    Not if they want to keep it down Drewl, LOL.

  58. Clif again I have to agree with both you and Worf and Drewl, I think he is definately vain and arrogant, and I can see how he craves the limelight and likes to feel smart, look important and feed his ego, BUT... because of his ego he hates to have to defend or justify his actions to anyone, and I think the Neo Cons calling the shots do trot him out to justify and sell their agenda to the public because he has that "i'm just one of the guys" quality that may Americans can identfy with and trust. Call it the dumbing down of America, I dont think much of the nation would identify with or trust Cheney, so they need a face or shill to sell the agenda.

    I think if everything blows up in their face Bush will be the stooge that takes the fall, because i'm willing to bet that any paper trail or smoking guns dont have Cheney's or Rove's fingerprints on it at all.

  59. And they think come november that with press like this they can convince the american people they really have their best interests in mind?

    Like A Free Ride When You've Already Paid

    Texas Joe Barton (R-TX) is down right mad at Citgo. He's mad because while oil prices are at an all time high, Citgo had the gaul to start a program that offered heating oil to the poor in the Northeast at rates up to 60% below market price. That's right, Citgo, and only Citgo, started an oil-for-the-poor program so those less fortunate than others could heat their home this winter.

    And he's is so mad that he's demanding, according to the New York Daily News, that the company produce by tomorrow all "all records, minutes, logs, e-mails and even desk calendars related to Citgo's novel program of supplying discounted heating oil to low-income communities in the United States."

    Barton want this information and anwsers to these questions:

    "'how and why were the particular beneficiaries of this program selected' and whether the program 'runs afoul of any U.S. laws, including but not limited to, antitrust laws.'"

    It's no surprise to learn that Barton is second only to Tom DeLay in receiving oil industry money.

    So while all the other oil companies are raking in record profits and consumers are wondering if they are price gouging us, Barton goes after the one company that offered discounted oil to those who needed help the most this winter.

    Isn't it ironic...

  60. More trouble for Delay and friends, read it at;

    Looks like abrarmoff friends who can't seem to remember him might get to know him better while they share a cell together.

  61. LOL Clif, every morning when they get up in their cell they will forget who each other is.

    Just out of habit.

  62. From

    Just last month, Ameriquest, the nation’s largest sub-prime mortgage company specializing in financing housing purchases in heavily minority neighborhoods, settled predatory lending allegations by 49 states, agreeing to pay $295 million in restitution and clean up its lending practices.

    Days after the settlement, Roland E. Arnall, Ameriquest’s founder and the largest campaign contributor to Bush since 2002, was confirmed to be U.S. ambassador to the Netherlands.

  63. Wink wink wink

    Nod nod nod

    And a couple of heckuva-jobs

    Thats how they laugh the day away

    In the merry old land of snobs

  64. Worfeus, and everybody this is long but worth the read, I downloaded it to read a section at a time;

  65. Anonymous2:14 PM

    Do any of you have a constructive idea about anything or do you just bitch and moan about everything and see a conspiracy behind every tree.Oop's,gotta go,have a 2:45 tee time.

  66. You know, anonymous there is a prime example of why it always takes 20 or 30 years before conspiracies are ever revealed.

    Go play your golf game nimrod.

  67. We told these IDIOTS 3 years ago not to do it.

    Don't go into Iraq, it won't work. There will be civil war.

    Guess what.

    Were there, and now all these IDIOTS, these mindnumbing LAMEBRAINS can say is, so? Stop complianing.

    IDIOTS. Every last one of them.

  68. Anonymous said...

    Do any of you have a constructive idea about anything or do you just bitch and moan about everything and see a conspiracy behind every tree.Oop's,gotta go,have a 2:45 tee time.

    Pot meet Kettle

  69. Sorry about my last rant, lol.

    I was watching Hardball and listening to right wing pundits like Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough acknowledge that Iraq is pretty much lost.

    It just made me mad because we told them this 3 years ago.

  70. William F. Buckley said today that the war in Iraq is lost.

    Civil war is a certainty.

  71. Worfeus your rants here do not actually hurt anybody unlike the policies of the neo-cons which are cheerlead by the likes of Fox and MSNBC

  72. Ain't that the truth.

    Imagine if all Bush did was rant.

    We'd be soooo much better off now.

  73. Worfeus you GOTTA read this religious conservatism in action....LOL

  74. So Karl Rove said that he basically thinks the bombing of the Shiite Mosque yesterday was a good thing?

    100 people dead.

    Good thing.


  75. I finally figured out the difference between the liberal and progressive thinking Americans and the Conservatives.

    We value individual human life.

    They see it more as a resource, to be manipulated like pawns on a chessboard.

  76. LOL, Clif. The goat story was a hoot.

    And I'm not "kidding".

  77. About possible plans for the future in IRAN

  78. A whole lot of conservatives out in the country should be careful, that might become "religious law" here.

  79. Freedom Fan given your essay about the Islamic world wide war on the west.... how does the near civil war in Iraq fit, is it just a feint to lull us to sleep before the big attack?

  80. Bush, Rice Urge Iraqis to Avoid Civil War
    AP - 1 hour, 32 minutes ago

    Hoping to help prevent Iraq's bloody sectarian violence from turning into civil war, President Bush on Friday urged Iraqis to exercise restraint in a critical "moment of choosing." Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called on political factions to renew efforts to form a unity government.

    Almost 130 have died in that attack on the Askariya Shrine in Samarra and in the wave of deadly reprisals that followed.

  81. I'm sure Rice and Bush pleading with them will work.

    I am sure they will wake up suddenly and say, hey, Bush and Rice want us to stop. We better stop.

  82. Maybe they should apply the ScapeGost law in this case too ?!!

  83. You can really dance ither.

  84. Just read that bush thinks they listen to him, this proves he's delusional must be from all the brain cells he killed before his family sobered him up

  85. You can say that again Clif.

    Have you noticed that everyday Bush is making Multiple speaches, travelling around the country like hes campaigning again.

    Today he spoke to the American Legion in DC, selling how he's done everything right all along, talking about God and family.

    Yesterday I watched him with outstreched arms like a preacher talking about how he believes in the Almighty, blah blah blah.

    I think in the last 6 months Bush has worked more than the last 6 years in the White House.

  86. He knows that it is slipping away, HE DOES READ POLLS, even though he denies it, he's way to vain not to, and with his numbers slipping so far he falls back on what he thinks works, he does not admit that his mandate has more to do with political smoke and mirrors( and a little microcircutry), and it can be lost be his bonehead moves.

  87. I think the real defining moment for Bush as far as vanity goes is Katrina. I remember seeing him getting off the helicopter down there for the first time and he looked like he was pissed off that he even had to be there. " who do these poor people think they are to make me leave my vacation early to come down to this god forsaken place-- and I can't even drink like I could the last time I was here." But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, because " you know, most of these people here are poor so this is working out quite well for them" as mama Bush said so eloquently.

  88. I think for a Christian, Bush is the least humble man I have ever seen.

  89. Worfeus said "You can say that again Clif.

    Have you noticed that everyday Bush is making Multiple speaches, travelling around the country like hes campaigning again."

    I guess i'm not the only one who noticed Cheney has his little puppet trying to sell the Neo Con's snake oil to the nation.

    Ever watch him after one of his pompous speeches, he pauses like he's waiting for applause or a pat on the back or something or like he's posing for a picture, I half expect him to make sure he doesnt have a hair out of place.

  90. He also looks like a man who no longer believes what he is saying.

    He also looks worried, like a snake oil salesman who's afraid at any moment the people are gonna tar and feather him.

  91. Maybe he's just afraid someone in his handpicked audience might actually ask him a real question.

  92. Bush Admin. Won't Reconsider Ports Deal
    Associated Press Writer
    31 minutes ago

    The Bush administration said Friday it won't reconsider its approval for a United Arab Emirates company to take over significant operations at six U.S. ports.

    The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."

  93. SIEG HEIL!!!


    Hagel zum Heimat-Hagel zur Kriegmaschine!

  94. Busch thinks Congress is "Cute".

  95. He's always happy to listen to their suggestions.

  96. Thomas Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey who led the bipartisan probe of the Sept. 11 attacks, said the deal was a big mistake because of past connections between the 2001 hijackers and the UAE.

    "It shouldn't have happened, it never should have happened," Kean said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press.

    The quicker the Bush administration can get out of the deal, the better, he said. "There's no question that two of the 9/11 hijackers came from there and money was laundered through there," Kean said.

  97. Worfeus said "He also looks like a man who no longer believes what he is saying.

    He also looks worried, like a snake oil salesman who's afraid at any moment the people are gonna tar and feather him."

    He oughta be worried, like I said in an earlier post, If these guys go down, Bush will be their stooge that takes the fall, because i'm willing to bet that Cheney and Rove were careful enough not to leave any papertrails or fingerprints that can be traced back to them for anything big.

  98. Remember he is insecure and feels inferior so he overcompensates, as a famous line of a movie said "what is his essence", in other words what make him tick.

  99. The former head of the Sept. 11 commission said the deal "never should have happened."

    Damn right it never should have happened, CAN YOU SAY CONFLICT OF INTEREST boys and girls.

    Him and his administration shouldnt be profiting from the war or shady deals that affect national security or are struck in an official capacity, if that isnt grounds for impeachment, I dont know what is. We need a real bloodhound who can track down the money trail and hidden bank accounts.

    Carlyle group, Baker & Botts and the Bush's are in bed with the entire energy industry particularly Haliburton, as well the Saudi's and the UAE, they have struck lucrative deals in Iraq and Afghanistan as well, its unbelievable, their getting paid on both ends, they are involved in defense so they are making money on the war, and they are involved with rebuilding, so their making money off of that also.

  100. Things the Administration leaves out of their daily breifing,

    This is how to place your forces if you are preparing for civil war.....

  101. Mike said

    Him and his administration shouldnt be profiting from the war or shady deals that affect national security or are struck in an official capacity

    Thats right Mike.

    Unfortunately Busch told you and me to go frak ourselves, cause he's doing it anyway.

    He said he is not reconsidering the deal.

    I wonder if he realizes that a Presidential Veto is going to be a point of study for elementary and high school students for years to come?

    And if it an Overidden Veto?

    Then Law students will be doing likewise.

  102. Yea, thats a great article Clif, but sadly theres dozens more like it.

    Almost everyone who's anyone agrees that Civil war in Iraq is a certainty.

    If you think about it, theres kind of a civil war right now.

    200 people slaughtered in 2 days is a damn good start.

  103. What drives me crazy is we told them!!!

    We told them!!!

    Wheres FF now? Wheres Voltaire? Wheres Big K?

    Wheres all the right wingers now?

    Even in TP the trolls are getting quiet. Maybe because theres nothing left to say but sorry, we were wrong.

    And we know they'll never say that.

  104. We are going to be forced to do an emergency evacutation of our troops at one point. I see that happening.

    If we don't, then we are sacrificing them on the altar of our mistakes.

  105. We told them Bush was a liar.

    We told them Bush had ties to Bin Laden

    We told them he was just in it for the money

    We told them there would be civil war in Iraq if we invaded

    We told them it would cost more than the 1.7 Billion dollars they said the war would cost us.

    We told them all of this.

    God I am so sick of being right.

  106. Now if we can just get them to listen on the DIEBOLD thing, before its too late to stop the end of days these loons want to invoke.

  107. A good editorial about the DPW deal that is about the merits, not the fear mongering of the Arab connection.

  108. And the Iraqi military is moving backward as far as preparedness is concerned;

    This and the events of the last few days poke a few holes in the assertions of the pentagon that the Iraqi army is moving forward and are almost ready to assume the fight against the insurgency.

  109. And there is a possible revolution brewing in the Philipines the president there is declaring martial law due to plots she says exist to oust her from power.

  110. And Bush is not the only one,

    North Carolina Sen. Elizabeth Dole's husband, former Sen. Bob Dole, has been hired by Dubai Ports World to help shepherd the company through a $6.8 billion deal to control terminals at six U.S. ports.

    read the rest at

  111. Yea, you know whats funny about the Dole thing Clif, is his wife is publically against the deal going through.

    She is openly opposing her husband on this deal.

  112. But they try to keep it hush hush, no sense to hurt each others spot at the GOPig troth

  113. Has anyone noticed all the trolls disappeared?

    Where did all our little buddies go?

  114. Guess its no fun to be a conservative at the moment.

    Now that the country is starting to wake up from the coma the right put them in for the last 6 years.

  115. Anonymous11:27 AM

    Does anyone here really beleive the Dems will gain control of either the house or the senate this year? I mean reallyyyyyy beleive it.

  116. yes, i believe the Dems will get control of the house and senate because GOOD ALWAYS RISES. ultimately, good people prevail.

  117. I agree with Lydia.

    These guys have had their 15 minutes, and they failed miserably.

    DIEBOLD is going to be scrutinized before the next election, and I think the Dems will take back congress in November, and if they don't screw up, the White House in 08.

  118. Now it will be important to make sure the Democrats who do take office are good men and women.

    We have enough corrupt dems to keep the carnival going for another 8 years if we're not careful.

  119. And as we said before, the dark always runs from the light.

    Notice how the trolls, not just in here, but in all the liberal blogs, suddenly have nothing to say.

    Its all crashing down, the lights breaking through, and the darkness can't stand in the light.

  120. and the 3 men I admire most,

    the Father, Son and Holy Ghost;

    they caught the last train for the coast,

    the day, the music died

  121. Anonymous12:00 PM

    Do you guys believe strongly enough to perhaps make a small wager on this years election outcome?

  122. Yea, I wager you will be crying come November.

  123. Everyday is another revelation of incomprehensible corruption, incompetence and down ring lunacy from republican party.

    I hate to tell you this anonymous, but I think people are noticing.

  124. Problem isn't you guys don't get it anymore.

    Problem is you can't sell it anymore.

  125. See that little dance I'm doing?

    Thats my victory jig.


  126. Because of all


    Beautiful and new..

  127. Things,


    Learning about you

  128. Anonymous said...

    Do you guys believe strongly enough to perhaps make a small wager on this years election outcome?

    12:00 PM

    Typical wingnut response how can I find a way to make everything about money.....

  129. Hey Anonymous, would that wager be using Diebold's corrupt hackable voting machines or would it be an honest on the level election, just curious??? :D

  130. Anonymous12:46 PM

    I dont want you to have to go on ebay and sell any of your Star Wars
    memorabilia,I do realize how near and dear those Yoda dolls are to you guys.But,lets say we bet $5,000 that the Dems do not win control of either the house or senate or I'd give you 2-1 odds that they dont win both.We could put the money in an escrow account here in Las Vegas and have a lawyer write up the actual bet.What do you say?

  131. Anonymous12:47 PM

    Hey Mike, if you want a piece come on and jump in the water.

  132. Anonymous12:48 PM

    Come on Mike,get off the grassy knoll and grow some balls.

  133. I figured the little green guys living under bridges would be the yoda fans but go figure it must be the Evil Emperor for you guys.

    BTW you still didnt answer my Diebold question?????

  134. Anonymous said

    What do you say?

    I'd say you just publically offered to commit a felony in the US.

    Oh yea, your a republican. You don't recognize US Law.

  135. Anonymous12:49 PM

    I gotta go for now.Think it over ladies.

  136. Oh and BTW tough guy, why not at least grab a handle so we know its you when you come in.

    Or did Bush take your balls too?

  137. Anonymous said "Come on Mike,get off the grassy knoll and grow some balls.

    12:48 PM "

    this from a guy not even brave enough to register a handle. You right wingers are real brave hiding behind your keyboard and talking tough while others are dying and putting their lives on the line for your corrupt agenda. You guys turn my stomach.

  138. Clif said...

    Anonymous said...

    Do you guys believe strongly enough to perhaps make a small wager on this years election outcome?

    12:00 PM

    Typical wingnut response how can I find a way to make everything about money.....

    12:38 PM

    Anonymous said...

    I dont want you to have to go on ebay and sell any of your Star Wars
    memorabilia,I do realize how near and dear those Yoda dolls are to you guys.But,lets say we bet $5,000 that the Dems do not win control of either the house or senate or I'd give you 2-1 odds that they dont win both.We could put the money in an escrow account here in Las Vegas and have a lawyer write up the actual bet.What do you say?

    12:46 PM


  139. Ahh to be a republican.

    To not be inconvenienced by such petty things as Federal Laws, State laws, the Constitution.

    I guess one could say we hate you for your freedom.


  140. Mike;

    Don't worry. Just keep doing what you're doing.

    The DIEBOLD corruption is next.

    The stories out, and the press is going to run with it.

    There are still plenty of decent republicans out there.

    Anonymous just doesn't happen to be among them.

  141. Sectarian Killings Shatter Brief Calm of Iraqi Curfew

    It ain't getting any better,

    From 1945 to 1992 Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush41 followed a policy of containment of the only other superpower with the ability to actually destroy the US militarily with their REAL WMD's and "won" the cold war. Bill Clinton stabilised the economy after that and secured a peace dividend and future for the future generations of american citizens,and it only took one president to destroy the fiscal stability of the country, destroy the military capabilities by overextending them in wars of pre-emption where the enemy did not even have any WMD's when attacked, and squandered the good will of the world to such an extent that the coalition of the willing is being reduced to the US and briton, and majorities of both nations want the troops out and see the war as not good. A civil war in Iraq would destabilise a region upon which a large poryion of the world depends for their energy resources and as such can be seen as a very real danger to the world economy, and bush43 has created the conditions to do this in only 3 years. And just think he has 3 more to go.................

  142. Not if theres any decency left in this country.

    I think he'll be impeached before his term is up.

    Its in the works as we speak.

  143. But thats a great assessment of what has happened Clif.

    Bush was handed the largest budget surplus in history.

    Just like every cent he's ever been given, it took him less than a year to sqaunder it.

  144. But only if Diebold and "felon purges" of the voter rolls and the voter $35 ID initiatives are defeated first, I get a funny feeling that all this repug brassness about the november election is because they know their is another plan, and they believe it will deliver in 2006 as K.Harris and Diebold did in 2000, Diebold did in2002, Blackwell and diebold did in 2004, they always find a way to refuse the vote to enough "questional" voters, and have their machines in the right places to win, Check out NC where the repugs are going after church rosters, what the hell is that about?

  145. Found this at;

    NY Times had a great editorial that spells out what is wrong with Bush's administration.
    We can't think of a president who has gone to the American people more often
    than George W. Bush has to ask them to forget about things like democracy,
    judicial process and the balance of powers — and just trust him. We also
    can't think of a president who has deserved that trust less.

    This has been a central flaw of Mr. Bush's presidency for a long time. But
    last week produced a flood of evidence that vividly drove home the point.




    Read the rest at: Free subscription required

  146. Clif
    I get a funny feeling that all this repug brassness about the november election is because they know their is another plan, and they believe it will deliver in 2006 as K.Harris and Diebold did in 2000, Diebold did in2002, Blackwell and diebold did in 2004

    You're most likely right.

    I am just betting on the one factor the Bushites didn't factor in.

    A 200 Million Man Mob.

    I may be wrong, but I see he public waking up from their coma. They may not get it all, but they are starting to figure out who the real "evildoers" are.

  147. It is not the people, its the machines...

    go to

    and download the book by Bev Harris, it is free, I read it last night, given your computer skills it will probably shock you more than it did me.

  148. Oh I agree with you on the machines Clif.

    I know the machines were hacked.

    I knew that the day I cast my vote for John Kerry.

    But I think if we keep up the pressure, the 06 elections will be paper.

    I don't think the people, once they understand, will allow any more votes on these machines.

  149. From The Patriots at

    Katherine Harris Plays Dumb

    Defense contractor Mitchell J. Wade pled guilty yesterday to election law fraud, among other charges for making illegal campaign contributions, including $32,000 in illegal contribution to Rep. Katherine Harris (R-FL).

    Katherine Harris claims she had no idea there was anything amiss when she received the contributions. In a statement she said the incident “demonstrates the perils of a process in which candidates are sometimes asked to determine the intent of a contributor.”

  150. See, its all falling apart.

    We are running at about 2 new scandals a day right now, and climbing.

  151. The curtains being pulled back.

  152. Wade told Harris his intentions.

    He took Harris out to lunch and told her MZM wanted an earmark for a defense project.

    According to the Washington Post, Harris asked for it but wasn’t able to get it.

    Harris knew exactly what Wade expected in return for the cash and did what she could to get for him.

  153. Can the repugs plan this time be scandal fatigue, they will wear us down so nothing suprises us anymore and we blindly accept them instead of having our intelligence be insulted one more time,...... might be but it takes a hell of a lot to wear me down,

  154. Scandal fatigue?

    I don't know, maybe.

    Its about all they got left.

  155. That and idiots who think coming in here throwing out a challenge to bet on the next election, like the knucklehead would ever provide his contact information, or expect one of us to provide him with ours.

    What a schmuck.

  156. The only contact info I want is my foot and some of these dictatorial neo-cons Butts

  157. Worfeus ya gotta check out this pic...

  158. Another prisom like Gitmo, and Abu Graibe but usually does not get the coverage.....

  159. Thanks for that picture Clif.

    I have seen that same picture in my dreams everynight.

  160. Worfeus my man you are far too kind to these criminals in your mind, my dream photo would have this assorted group sitting around a camp fire in the desert while in the background a predator plane flys overhead tracking the cruise missles coming in from all sides.

  161. But I still think that after Bush captured Osama instead of hiding him for the political advantage he got out of it, we americans should have had the chance to see Osama undergo a sexual idenity change(like Ann Coulter appears to have done) and then been sent back to the strickly fundementalist regions of the Arabic world to live out his life.....

  162. Clif, that would be poetic justice to bin laden. Seeing how they treat women, he would be in for a miserable time.

    You know, its the sign of the morality of a society, or lack thereof, in how they treat its weakest members.

  163. Clif, I think Bin Ladens in Kashmir.

    I have had this feeling since early 2002, and it has never left me.

    Maybe its just a hunch, maybe I'm a psychic, but I really think he's in Kashmir.

    I just wish someone would go look.

  164. Osama7:13 PM

    No I'm not

    (the raspberry)

    ps ask Lydia about that fruit ;)

  165. The turbinator7:24 PM

    Here little oschumpa ,

    I have a litttttle girrrrly for you

  166. Some more reading but this time about Powell, at least I know why he never runs for elected office:

  167. Anonymous9:34 PM

    Clif old buddy,here's a news flash.Diebold didnt cost the Dems the election.Try to remember back to the convention.Who did they put in the spotlight?Why,low and behold it was the undeniably worst president of the 20th century... Jimmy Carter.Anyone who was breathing while he was president remembers interest rates over 20%,the unemployment rate pushing 8%,standing in line for two hours to buy three gallons of gas,40 plus americans being held hostage for over a year and Jimmy sitting in front of the T.V. camera telling americans the country was in a "malaise".Then to top it off,the genius who organized the convention had Michael Moore sitting next to him for all america to see.To a conservative that was an early Christmas present.But wait,there was more to come.The Dems trot out John Kerry as the man for the job.As soon as Herman Munster said "John Kerry reporting for duty" we knew church was out and the election was over.Really,there had to be a better candidate, I just know there was a Liberal somewhere with a bit more to offer than John Forbes Kerry.Think back,even Bubba and Hil wouldnt get near that guy,christ,he was cancer.Bubba even faked a heart attack so he didnt have to campaign for Kerry.Now,who do you have in 08 that can beat either McCain or Rudy.Maybe you need to dig up FDR.

  168. Anonymus the election results in ohio ARE in question, as are the results in Alaska. The diebold machines have been discredited in a study done for the government of m,aryland, and the Alemeda county government have already been reimbursed for Diebolds problems by none other than Diebold itself. so your fantasy that the election was lost in July is repug/neo-con spin and incase you haven't noticed it is being accepted less and less every day, but keep swallowing the kool aid and anything else Karl tells you to, come November we shall

  169. Anonymous9:49 PM

    Clif,Clif,Clif, you poor puppy.The election is over you lost.Now,who is you pick for 08?

  170. The problem Clif is ignorance. Technical ignorance in particular.

    Anyone who understand IRDA will know that there was something up.

    These ports should have been disabled. In fact, when it was discovered these things had these ports, they told us they were disabled.

    Now we find out they were not.

    If you understand the technogly, then you would understand the crime.

  171. And anonymous?

    I would not call a man who fought and left his blood on the battlefield a poor puppy.

    I would at least talk to him with some respect.

    Oh thats right, you're a repug troll. When you joined the holy rollers you left your humanity at the door.

  172. Well you seem to know everything before it happens why are you here and not celebrating your power-ball winnings if you are so clairvoyant, since you repugs are so monetarily orientated

  173. Anonymous9:59 PM

    Clif,I know the truth is hard to swallow but the fact is the majority of americans really dont care about Diebold,Ohio or Alemeda County.They care about lower taxes,killing third trimester unborn babies,convicted murderers sitting on death row for 20 years,taking responsibilities for your actions,marriage being between a man and a woman,being able to worship as you please, including saying a prayer in school and a strong defense.

  174. While we are over here Worfeus they have not taken your dream image down from the thread;

    CNN Pundit: Mosque Bombing Shows Bush Strategy Is Working In Iraq

    I have been monitering it.

  175. Yea I saw that Clif. Maybe they decided to let it ride this time.

    Or maybe they'll boot me LOL.

  176. Anonymous?

    Blow it out your rump.

    We'll see come November.

    In the meantime, if you feel proud or smug being associated with the bumbling incompetence and the cesspool of corruption you call an administration, then be my guest.

    Just don't get none on me.

  177. Anonymous10:04 PM

    Clif,the only people who bitch about other people having money are people that dont have any.I've been poor as a church mouse and have had a bunch of money,I'm here to tell you,having some money is a whole lot better.America...what a country.

  178. Anonymous10:06 PM

    You two twits still havent answered the question. Who is you savior in 08?

  179. Anonymous10:09 PM

    Is it Hil,is it Kerry (again,yawn),is it Edwards,is it Richardson,is it Screamin Howard?

  180. I don't care if people have money Einstein.

    How they got it is the issue.

  181. Anonymous10:11 PM

    Once again bright boys,who's the savior?

  182. Well Slappy, tell you what.

    You tell me and I'll tell you.

  183. Anonymous10:12 PM

    Clif,for christ sake,get a life.there's whole world out there.

  184. If you have time go to the Consortiumnews.con site and read the articles about powell's history, It will suprise you about how he has managed his career(that I knew, all generals are political players thats how they get the high rank) and how he carefully managed his image staying in the shadows, that I didn't know as well.

  185. Anonymous10:14 PM

    Clif, do you live in a bunker? A basement? A state institution?

  186. Anonymous10:15 PM

    Are you and worefus the same person?

  187. Funny my vote in 2000 was McCain until his stealth swiftboating in South Carolina in the primary, and he sold his soul in 2004, so I probably will wait and see who runs look at them and make my pick, I'm funny that way too....

  188. Anonymous10:17 PM

    Cilf, I think you're savable,come over to the bright side.Leave those crazies behind.

  189. As am I.

    I was an original supporter of Wesley Clark in 04. I then went to Dean.

    As for the scream? These guys act like it was something odd. That scream was done with thousands of other screaming people.

    The traitors at Faux news muted out the crowd and amplified the scream, then released the clip.

    Its a joke. Dean was a Surgeon. A freakin Doctor!

    I'd much rather have a man smart enough to become an Emergency room doctor and a surgeon, than a dirt farmer who ran every business he touched in the ground, and squandered every cent anyone ever gave him.

  190. Anonymous10:19 PM

    Worefus,come on .Grassy knoll stuff

  191. I have a reletively good life, two great daughters, good friends, a curious desire to learn, spend quite a bit of time at Astrophysics, and sub-atomic and particle physics, (a hobby really), and I really enjoy My Harleys

  192. Anonymous10:19 PM

    Clif, God bless you. I mean that.

  193. At least Dubya's a religous man.

    Here is the prayer he says every night before he shuts his eyes.

    Now I lay me down to sleep

    I pray the people are my sheep

    And if they learn I am a fake

    Then let them die before I wake

  194. Anonymous10:23 PM

    You two guys really need to respect another persons views on things.

  195. Anonypussy It ain't a side to me it is about the HONEST truth and the reich wing neo-con AEI christofascist crowd ain't about that in fact almost of the time they use the opposite...truthiness combined with outright lies ..