Friday, January 20, 2006

CORRUPTION AT THE CORE ** HELP OUR VETERANS

"It's easier to wear slippers than to carpet the whole world." - Stuart Smalley

A method Bush Inc used was "intent to deceive" by word association. An analysis revealed that on over 100 occasions Bush and Gang had used Saddam and 9-11 in the same sentence to convey an association. Bush did it in 8 sentences during one speech. How else could 70% come to believe there was an association? The same technique was used on Saddam-Osama.
- From Political Historian Clarence Swinney
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From Ron Kovic, paralyzed from the chest down by Vietnam War wounds, and confined to a wheelchair for almost 40 years: "As I now contemplate another January 20th I cannot help but think of the young men and women who have been wounded in the war in Iraq. They have been coming home now for almost three years, flooding Walter Reed, Bethesda, Brooke Army Medical Center and veterans hospitals all across the country. Paraplegics, amputees, burn victims, the blinded and maimed, shocked and stunned, brain-damaged and psychologically stressed, over 16,000 of them, a whole new generation of severely maimed is returning from Iraq, young men and women who were not even born when I came home wounded to the Bronx veterans hospital in 1968."

"I have come to believe that there is nothing in the lives of human beings more terrifying than war and nothing more important than for those of us who have experienced it to share its awful truth."


"We must break this cycle of violence and begin to move in a different direction; war is not the answer, violence is not the solution. A more peaceful world is possible." To read Ron's entire essay, go to: TRUTHDIG
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Yesterday I had the honor of hosting Robert Dreyfuss for lunch at my house. He's the author of the brilliant new book, DEVIL'S GAME: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam (Holt/Metropolitan) This is a must-read, and answers all the questions about our Mid-East foreign policy stretching back 60 years, when America forged an alliance with the Islamic right in order to, among other things, combat Soviet atheistic communism. Dreyfuss is an investigative journalist who writes for Rolling Stone, The Nation, The American Prospect, Mother Jones and is a frequent contributor to NPR, MSNBC and CNBC. ROBERT DREYFUSS
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From this blog's feisty contributing commenter WORFEUS, who is not aligned with either party:

DON'T BE FOOLED: The increases Bush made in the VA are based on peace-time regular annual cost increases.
In peace-time we don't have many Post Traumatic Stress Disorder cases. And not too many Amputee's.

Right now the VA is dealing with some 16,000 GI's needing prosthetic limbs, seeing eye dogs, physical therapy, wheel chairs and reconstructive surgery.

We have another 30,000 + needing counseling, therapy, medication and hostpitalization for battle related stress and mental illness, family and medical counseling and so on.
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VA officials told Congress that the unexpected shortfall occurred because they had used an inaccurate, two-year-old financial model to calculate their spending requests. VA officials said the model underestimated the impact of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and made other forecasting errors

VA Undersecretary Jonathan Perlin said budget forecasts are created two years in advance, meaning that the current year's predictions were made before the 2003 invasion of Iraq. - Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, June 24, 2005

** What Bush did is take the lowest number he could get away with to tend for our nations veterans, based upon Peace Time Projections, then sent them to war, then cut that figure after he got elected by a Billion dollars to help pay for his war.
This is a prime example of Bushonomics. (WORFEUS)

Received this from my friend Doug Basham, whose amazing Progressive Talk-Radio show I did last month. DOUG BASHAM RADIO

Dear Lydia, Just wanted to share this with you. It hit me pretty hard last night. Back on Dec. 16, a little over a week after you appeared on my show, I had Specialist Douglas Barber as my guest, an Operation Iraqi Freedom veteran suffering from PTSD. He was telling us how the VA had abandoned Iraqi vets, and how he couldn't get help for his PTSD. Last night, at the top of my 3rd hour, I received this email...

Mr. Basham: I was a dear friend of Douglas; I say was, because Douglas committed suicide today on the front porch of his trailer around 2:30 pm Opelika, Alabama time. I was just listening to your interview with him so I could hear his voice again. Just thought you might like to know.

Here is a link to the interview itself:
http://www.dougbasham.com/12-16-05DouglasBarber.mp3

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GORE "The President of the United States has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently."
Click here to hear Gore's electrifying speech at BRAD BLOG (Or read highlights of the speech at end of blog below)

On the eve of the election of 2004, I sent this excerpt and wrote the following letter to a Republican Christian friend:

"Al-Qaeda came into Iraq after the American invasion," claimed Said. He added that, contrary to claims in Washington, the deposed Iraqi leader was probably the most reliable bulwark against Al-Qaeda infiltration into Iraq." - Mohammed al-Sayed Said, deputy director of the Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies and a former Washington correspondent for the Al-Ahram daily.

Dear Tristan (name changed)
For years I've done research on Islamic fundamentalism, Christianity and the Middle East. I am not implying that life under a madman was anything but terrifying, so please don't distort or spin my words, but do read TIME Magazine's article on "Iraq's Persecuted Christians" written by Iraqi Christian leader, Munir Mardirisosian. "The current violence in Iraq threatens one of the oldest Christian communities, dating back 2,000 years....Under Sadaam, Christians coexisted more or less amicably with the Muslim majority. Easter services were broadcast on state television, and Christians were allowed to own and operate liquor stores, beauty salons..."

Tristan, there is only one truth — but many distortions, manipulations and hidden agendas. I hate the way politics polarizes people; you seem to imply that people like myself (pro-environment, anti-guns/NRA, pro-peace) are not PATRIOTIC and madly in love with our country!! There are millions of faith-filled Democrats who support our troops but despise this illegal war — and it's corrupt how the extreme right-wing has smeared anyone against the war for lacking morals, faith or patriotism!

After much soul-searching and constant prayer for months, years — asking God to fill my heart with answers — without a doubt, the answer that keeps coming up over and over is that this war is wrong and our president is morally corrupt (as well as lazy, unconscious, severely misguided and resistant to truth.) There is something inherently wrong with the principles of current administration, their enablers and right-wing lawmakers. These are not true conservatives. The Republican party is hardly recognizable, though it used to be a party of balance. Please read Gore's speech below.

It says in the Bible, that we must go to God in private to hear God's voice, and follow God's leading in our heart. If you get out of your head and go to your heart, and take away all intellectual arguments as well as personal profit or money motives, you will know this administration is morally wrong. In fact, they are behaving the opposite of any real Christian.

No matter what, as a follower of the Prince of Peace, no Christian can say that bombing an entire country to remove one man (among other reasons) is the method Jesus would have used. His teachings were very clear. I sent you an article that tells how much we are hated in the world because of Bush, and therefore in MUCH more danger. You don't have children yet, but now I'm really scared about the increasing hatred Bush has brought upon us.

"All Arab and Muslim peoples are convinced that (US President George W.) Bush is persecuting Muslims and Arabs and is targeting only the Arab world," said Makram Mohammed Ahmed, editor-in-chief of the semi-official Al-Mussawar magazine.
And this, he said, "increases tensions and hatred. The whole Arab world hates America and the Bush administration." Said said he found it even more disturbing that "the Americans do not have any regret for what they did to the Iraqi people as a result of their mistakes."

And you never answered my question: how do you explain Christ's explicit instructions for dealing with our enemies? Why don't Bush "Christians" take Christ's words literally, fundamentally: Bless those who persecute you, resist NOT evil, return love for hate, love your enemies? Even if we can't always follow this, at least we should never be the invaders, torturers or aggressors. Defense is one thing, a preemptive strike based on a lie is another. As Robert Dreyfuss put it: "Bush is like a kid with his hand stuck in the candy jar; he wants the oil, and he won't let go until many more of our troops have died.

I used to be a Republican, but I finally had to check my motives. To be conservative is admirable, but to be fear-based and withholding (as in conservative with your charity), motivated by increasing your own profits at the expense of others, and interested only in self-preservation (as these "new-conservatives" are) -- rather than elevating mankind and helping others, this to me is primitive and shameful. God is love and should never be used to justify war, "moral righteousness, hatred or judgment of others. And the bible is still being written because we are still living our history. Why do people think it all ends, when it's still going on! Every spiritual thinker is writing the living Bible right now. Our battles are truly within ourselves. Love is the essence of everything.

I am dismayed that our president was actually proud of the fact that he didn't like to read or think deeply! (He later denied it, but he did actually bragged that he didn't read books or newspapers!) He’s proud of himself for never changing his mind, never enlightening himself, never reflecting. 

All great men REFLECT, go within, read the great books, consult spiritual advisers with the big decisions -- and ponder the meaning of life. And a wise judge or leader always investigates, considers all sides, puts himself in another’s shoes. Remember Solomon?

I don’t want a Supreme Court justice that doesn’t change his or her mind in 20 years -- a quality Bush finds desirable! This would be just plain STUPID.
HIGHLIGHTS FROM GORE'S AMAZING SPEECH...

A president who breaks the law is a threat to the very structure of our government. Our Founding Fathers were adamant that they had established a government of laws and not men. Indeed, they recognized that the structure of government they had enshrined in our Constitution - our system of checks and balances - was designed with a central purpose of ensuring that it would govern through the rule of law.
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The President and I agree on one thing. The threat from terrorism is all too real...Where we disagree is that we have to break the law or sacrifice our system of government to protect Americans from terrorism. In fact, doing so makes us weaker and more vulnerable.
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In the 70's and 80's, the oversight hearings in which my colleagues and I participated held the feet of the Executive Branch to the fire - no matter which party was in power. Yet oversight is almost unknown in the Congress today.
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It is the pitiful state of our legislative branch which primarily explains the failure of our vaunted checks and balances to prevent the dangerous overreach by our Executive Branch which now threatens a radical transformation of the American system.

URL: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002288.htm

338 comments:

  1. The death of Spc Barber is a true tragedy, and though it won't be counted on any official list of deaths in the Iraqi war, consideration should still be given that his death was a result. Our small town had 1 of its Guard troops killed this summer. He died in the arms of a good friend of mine.....the guy had to go back to base and tell the fallen soldier's father his son was dead (the son had joined a year or so before so he could be closer to his father, and they were stationed together.) That nite it happened that their armored carriers were down so they had to go out in less protected vehicles. For his service his family recieved 12 thousand dollars.....that's right. 12,000. And I blame ALL dems and repubs, not just Pres Bush for that. And all past legislators as well. Carter, Reagan, BushI, Clinton, and on. I understand there was legislation passed to raise the death benefit substantially, but then it wasn't budgeted for....

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  2. Excellent points Kirk.

    Having worked directly with the US Department of Veterans Affairs at several points in my career, I am well aware of the issue of lack of funding for our troops.

    It is appalling.

    But what is more appalling is that president Bush cut the VA's budget by 1 BILLION DOLLARS, shortly after getting re-elected to help pay for his war.

    His plan? Put the troops in more danger while at the same time diminishing benefits.

    1 BILLION DOLLARS. Taken from our Vets to pay for Bush's war.

    Appalling.

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  3. Democrats.....for the troops and against the war

    Repubs....against the troops and for the war.

    I think its more complicated than that....but it's a good sound byte for November....and since sound bytes work.......
    ..AND I'm not a moderate on this one...
    .. the Pharisees have hoodwinked us into an ill advised battle in Iraq -- not telling the complete truth in convincing us to go, AND then fighting it half-assed and on borrowed money from the Chinese.....And the only one in Jail seems to be Lynndie England.....there's ALOT of justice there I think

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  4. Hey, that's pretty good.

    We'll have to remember that one.

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  5. One thing is clear.

    The Bush administration needs to account for it's apathy towards our own country's porous borders while engaging its efforts overseas supposedly in operations designed to keep America safe.

    The stumbling bumbling strategy (slapstick like even), of the Bush administration in fighting this so called "War on Terror" is akin to stirring up a hornets nest in your back yard, while leaving your own homes doors and windows wide open.

    It's the kind of thing we would expect to see on America's Funniest Videos.

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  6. And Lydia, I am glad to hear Mr. Gore speaking up and shining another light on threats to our nations freedoms and liberties.

    Of course I wish he had shown this type of gravitas in the 2000 elections.

    We might not be in the trouble we are in today.

    But like they say, better late to the party than never.

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  7. http://www.factcheck.org/article144.html

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  8. Eric : thank you for that....Fact check is one of my favorite sites and I appreciate your reference to it.....I admit I had missed that one in Feb '04.....I started really watching it around election time in 04. I do, however, stand behind my previous remarks.....it is easy to increase funding when you don't have to raise taxes to pay for it.

    I have seen some sites which state that our national debt is @ $25000 per person. I wonder why the Dems don't refer to that as a "birth tax" and thus discuss trying to eliminate it like the repubs do with the "death tax"

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  9. Anonymous8:14 PM

    Eric, what are you referring to when you send us to
    FACT CHECK? Am I missing something?

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  10. James W8:21 PM

    This is a great site http://www.factcheck.org/article144.html

    Read the "DEFAMING DELAY" article. Turns out Delay's own lawyer lied and also denied Abramoff was involved in Delay's dealings when no one even mentioned it (thereby implying Abramoff was involved, and also not directly denying the accusations were true.

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  11. Did anyone see Hillary Clinton today?

    It was a great demonstration of one of the many reasons I could never vote for her.

    If this is the best the dems have to offer, it's gonna be a banner year in 08 for the independent candidates.

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  12. The U.S. border issue is an interesting one, Worfeus. And I think there are reasons why there isn't a great deal of concern from the Bush administration. Namely, because they are not concerned about another significant domestic attack. Why? You'd have to ask them. I have my suspicions.

    The United States has a combined border and coastline of roughly 20,000 miles (about 7,500 miles of border with Canada and Mexico, and about 12,500 miles of coastline). TWENTY-THOUSAND MILES!! Just think about that number for a minute. Do you realize how utterly easy it is for someone - or many - with nefarious intent to sneak into the country? It's easy enough for simple Mexican immigrants who just want to come here for a better job and a better life. What about for those who are trained and skilled at evading detection? A piece of cake.

    My point is that if the "lurking enemy" was so intent on destroying America and killing U.S. citizens, it would be as easy to do as shooting fish in a barrel. Yet, there has not been a single foreign-instigated terrorist attack in this country in almost 4.5 years. Are Bush and Cheney just doing such a magnificent job of protecting us? Yeah, right. We've seen how easy it has been for domestic terrorists to attack (DC shootings, Okla. City bombing, Eric Rudolph bombings, Unibomber, midwest bombs from a few years ago, etc.), yet the "lurking enemy" can't seem to get off a single shot.

    Coincidence? I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

    9/11/01 was a terrible day and an unmitigated disaster for this country. I lost a friend that day, a man with a wife and young son and - unbeknownst to him at the time - a daughter on the way. His wife and my wife worked for one of the airlines that was attacked that day. I yelled and cried - a lot - that day and for days afterward. I still hurt thinking about it. And I do think about it.

    That said, there is virtually no question in my mind that the events of that day were NOT completely unknown to certain people with connections to the U.S. government. Not in an explicit fashion, per se, but enough to leave no question that a major catalyst of change was going to take place. And I'm not one to jump on the typical conspiracy du jour bandwagon. But this is a situation where the right people, intelligence, money and desire came together to ensure that a number of mutually necessary objectives could be accomplished via a single, cataclysmic event.

    We're all up in arms about the illegal NSA spying, and we should be up in arms about it. But I think that's mere window dressing to the real scandal that is festering beneath the surface. No one really wants to talk about, but it's there, I believe. Time will tell if it can be uncovered.

    Some of the best intelligence agencies are masters of deceipt and illusion; in fact, those are their most effective tools. And if the mind games are played just the right way, almost anything can be accomplished. There's a reason why we've had no more attacks, in spite of the ease with which they could be carried out in this country. Therein lie the answers to many of our collective questions.

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  13. Anonymous10:28 PM

    Why doesn't anyone investigate the charges that the Bush administration immediately ushered out 38 members of Bin Laden's own family living in America, flew them right out of the country? This is documented and not made up. Michael Moore asked this question, and now he has been smeared so badly, no one dares bring up his name, but he really asked the hard questions.

    And I love the part of Farenheight 911 when he asks the question about how many guards are guarding the Oregon border. At the time: ONE! LOL

    Anybody wonder why Kerry lay down so quickly after the election? Seems pretty spooky to me, like he was told some inside information that none of us are supposed to know.

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  14. Kirk - this is terrible, I can't believe the death benefit is only $12,000! I don't understand how lawmakers can pass such huge salaries and lifetime pension benefits for themselves and not take care of the men and women who die for us!

    This has got to change. And you're right, I blame all lawmakers on both sides.

    Drewl - you make some very staggering points, which I've suspected all along.

    Worfeus mentioned Jesse Ventura talking about how strange it was that we didn't have any anti-aircraft or ABMs in the air to intercept our planes once we knew they were off track. Lots of unanswered questions.

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  15. Anonymous10:55 PM

    Worfeus said "The stumbling bumbling strategy (slapstick like even), of the Bush administration in fighting this so called "War on Terror" is akin to stirring up a hornets nest in your back yard, while leaving your own homes doors and windows wide open."

    Wow!!!, thats a fantastic analogy Worfeus. you started this blog right, that is a powerful and vivid analogy and right on the money.

    Kirk you make a great point about our national debt being $25,000 per person I think the administration sold the war to the young, the poor, the rednecks etc. with tough talk and vulgar language,they painted the voices of caution or opposition as weak or sissies and appealed to to people who are fearful and feel that we need our government to protect us, and the only way to do this is to get them before they get us. they dont care that this is only stirring up more hatred against us.I think many of the young, poor, rednecks etc.. would not be so supportive of the war or this administrations warmongering phony patriotic rhetoric if they knew that $25,000 was coming out of their pockets to pay for it. the dems did a poor job of getting this message out to the public, hopfully like worf said they will do better next time.

    As for our military, Worfeus and Kirk you are absolutely right, I am appalled and disgusted at how poorly these guys are treated and how under appreciated they are, these guys are heros, they are spending time away from their families and risking their lives everyday, they should be making much more money, instead veterans get their benefits cut to fund a corrupt war and the people sending them there dont even value them enough to give them the proper equipment and tools to help them succeed and help keep them safe. I find it offensive and hippocritical that congress voted to give themselves a lifetime pension and cut our veterans benefits. I worked with many soldiers aiding Hurricaine Katrina victims this past summer, these guys are heros, they are fantastic people and I cant say enough good things about them.

    Drewl you raise some very thought provoking and contoversial points, i'm pretty sure I know what your alluding to and what you say makes sense, i'd really like to hear more about your theories.

    Mike

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  16. Anonymous10:55 PM

    Isn't it odd how the NRA supporters claim we all have the right to bear arms, in case of a government like this one coming to power. But the problem is, the guns are in the wrong hands.

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  17. Oh what the heck, everyone else is talking about it, might as well hang myself.

    Excellent post Drewl. Really hard, hard questions that no one wants to discuss, that's for sure.

    After all to do so would be unpatriotic, right?

    Believe me I understand perfectly, and I am fully aware of the fact that whenever Bush or the Right is under heat, or down in the polls, something bad happens to someone, somewhere, and everyones attention shifts.

    Bush was at a dismal 38 percent approval rating prior to 911, and was quickly on his way to being considered a lame duck, due to a perception by more than half the American people that he stole the 2000 election.

    Then, boom, 911 happens, and Bush, who did not seem at all surprised or concerned when he was informed jumps to an unprecedented 89 percent in the polls.

    I know it sounds odd, but one could easily make the argument that 911 was the best thing for Bush's Presidency so far.

    Now we are not making accusations, we are making observations and asking questions. Hard questions based on the general appearance of the actions of this administrations, and events that have occured.

    There is an air of secrecy in this administration like none other, and an air of imperialism that I have never seen in almost half a century.

    And now I expect any moment to see Donald Sutherland standing on my front lawn pointing at me with an outstreched arm and his mouth wide open emitting a high peircing scream. :|

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  18. "it is dangerous to be right when your government is wrong"

    Voltaire

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  19. Anonymous4:48 AM

    Very sad story about Douglas Barber; I salute this one time moderate and soldier.

    As for Drewls comment - This is seriously, seriously heavy stuff. I would like to suggest that everyone proceed with extreme caution.

    Johnny moo moo

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  20. Worf: It seems we forget very quickly in the US.....I remember right before 9/11, Newsweek had just done part 1 of a 2 part feature on how Bush basically stole FLA in 2000.......I'm not sure either way if he did...maybe it's true that the parties are now even for the 1960 election Illinois shenanigans.....but it's interesting that part 2 was never printed.....9/11 happened that week. Maybe it's all coincidence...either way the administration is EITHER evil or incompetent.......and the question those of us who favor impeachment have to ask ourselves is........can both the VP and the Pres be impeached at the same time? If it is possible....then the Speaker of the House becomes president.......who will that be?(it won't be Hastert, because the only way impeachment takes place is if there's a Dem majority.)

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  21. "Anonymous said...

    Eric, what are you referring to when you send us to FACT CHECK? Am I missing something?

    8:14 PM"

    yeah, Worfeus lied....again

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  22. Excellent points again Drewl.

    Originally the Presidential Succession Act of 1792 determined the order of succession to the Presidency and dictates the next person in line after the Vice President, is who is known as the President pro tempore of the Senate.

    The Vice President is known as the President of the Senate ex officio.

    The President pro tempore is the highest ranking member of the Senate.

    In 1886 a new version of the Presidential Succsion Act was adopted, which took the Congressional members out of the chain and introduced the Cabinet members as being next in succession. The Secratary of State by this law would be next in succession following the Vice President, meaning by this law Condie would be King.

    In 1947 President Truman persuaded Congress to revise the act, bringing back the Congressional Succession, but switching the original order, from the President Pro Tempore to the Speaker of the House. (His buddy was the current speaker, Sam Rayburn).

    So after the Speaker, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate is next in line for the Presidency. Who is that you ask?

    You'd better sit down. And pour a stiff one.

    The current President pro tempore of the Senate, is none other than the bordline schizophrenic Senator from Alaska, the honorable Ted Steven's .

    So in fact, if the honorable Dennis Hastert is unable because of his current corruption scandal to perform his duties in the Oval Office, Ted Steven's would be promptly annointed our new Emporer, Savior and King.

    Now if Ted Steven's is considered unable to fill the office for any reasons, (like he's a raving, rabid lunatic for instance?), then the succession falls to the Cabinet.

    And it does'nt get any better there. The next in line to the office of the President, is the highest ranking Cabinet Member, the Secretary of State.

    Our current Secretary of State, is good ole Condoleezza Rice, or Condie as she is fondly known. If Condie is unable to fill the role, then next in line will be the Secretary of the Treasury, who currently is Republican John Snow. Mr. Snow was involved in a corruption scandal a while back, but for the most part seems like the best pick of the bunch so far.

    But if for some reason his corruption scandal prohibits him from filling the role of President, then the next in line is the Secretary of Defense.

    And we all know who that is. Good ole Donald Rumsfeld, or Rummy.


    Can you imagine Rummy running our country? God help us all.

    After Rummy is the Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales, another person we don't want with his finger on the trigger. After him the list pales out to Secretary of the Interior, Secretary of Agriculture and so on.

    But the people who will replace him, are in this list above. If Bush is impeached along with Cheney, one of them, will be our new Emporer.

    You know, suddenly ole Dubya is not looking all that bad. :|

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  23. But for impeachment to happenit will take a Dem majority in the house (and senate most likely). Won't a Dem majority elect a new speaker before proceeding with an impeachment investigation? I nominate Jack Murtha.

    I know this is wishful thinking on our part.....sort of like the committee fo A New American Century was wishing we'd attack Iraq in about 1998 or so.....Cheyney, Jeb Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rummy got their wish...maybe we'll get ..........

    NAAAAAAHHHHH!!! The fly in the ointment of all of this is the American People.....and the Democratic Party which would screw up a wet dream lately.

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  24. Another excellent point Drewl.

    If the Dems took back the Congress, they would elect a new speaker, meaning we could end up with Nancy Pelosi as President.

    That would be a hoot.

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  25. I would like to suggest that everyone proceed with extreme caution.

    Johnny moo moo

    Trying to tell us something Johnny?

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  26. President Pelosi.........now I'm getting sick.

    Maybe they could make Barney Frank the Speaker of the House.....one things for sure......it would be a neat and clean house......not that there's anything wrong with that!!!!

    President Barney Frank.....surely Pat Robertson would love it because it would increase donations to the 700 club for sure.

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  27. Kirk12 said...

    NAAAAAAHHHHH!!! The fly in the ointment of all of this is the American People....."


    Yeah! Those damned American People!

    If only they had the brains to realize that you guys are smarter than they are and know whats best for them.

    If only this were a liberal dictatorship....

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  28. And Jack Murtha....LOL

    I bet he sure was proud to get the code pinko award. Dems just LOVE praise from communist organizations...

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  29. Liberal dictatorship?

    LOL.

    I think you need to open a copy of Websters genius.

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  30. Since we all STILL seem to be misguided about Bush's VA funding "cut" and to lazy to copy and paste a link....

    "In Bush’s first three years funding for the Veterans Administration increased 27%. And if Bush's 2005 budget is approved, funding for his full four-year term will amount to an increase of 37.6%.

    In the eight years of the Clinton administration the increase was 31.7%

    Those figures include mandatory spending for such things as payments to veterans for service-connected disabilities, over which Congress and presidents have little control. But Bush has increased the discretionary portion of veterans funding even more than the mandatory portion has increased. Discretionary funding under Bush is up 30.2%."

    http://www.factcheck.org/article144.html

    please, don't let FACTS get in your way.

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  31. How many years of your life did you give to the Marine Corp?

    Because unless it was 40 Plus I don't think a slimeball troll like you should be running his mouth about a MAN like Jack Murtha.

    But keep it up troll. Show us what true filth you really are.

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  32. And for "anonymous" at 10:28pm, and of course Worfeus and that bastion*-sp? of truth Michael Moore....

    http://www.factcheck.org/article294.html

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  33. Bush Administration cuts $1.5 billion from military family housing.

    The Bush Administration cut $1.5 billion for military family housing, despite Department of Defense statistics showing that in 83,000 barracks and 128,860 family housing units across the country are below standard.

    Nothing But Lip Service
    Army Times, June 30, 2003

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  34. Bush Administration proposal would end health care benefits for 173,000 veterans. More than 173,000 veterans across the country would be cut off from health care because of Bush Administration proposed budget cuts and its plan requiring enrollment fees and higher out-of-pocket costs.

    Support for Troops Questioned
    Washington Post, June 17, 2003

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  35. Over 200,000 United States veterans have to wait more than six months for a medical visit because of health care shortages.

    VA Health Care Funding Alert Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States

    Press Release, January 31, 2003

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  36. Despite the war efforts of America's National Guard and Reserve Members, the Bush Administration announced in October 2003 its formal opposition to give the 1.2 million Guard and Reserve members the right to buy health care coverage through the Pentagon's health plan.

    One out of every five Guard members lacks health insurance.


    Bush Opposes Health Plan for National Guard
    Gannett News Service, October 23, 2003

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  37. Bush Cuts Key Homeland Security and Law Enforcement Programs in Ohio
    Bush’s Budget Would Slash State and Local Homeland Security Funding by $420 Million. Bush’s
    budget would cut state and local coordination efforts by $420 million, or 11 percent.Bush’s budget also fails to provide for an additional 2,000 border patrol agents on the job in 2006—as was promised in landmark intelligence reforms passed late last year and endorsed by the 9/11 Commission. Bush provides funding for only 210 agents.


    Washington Post, 2/7/05; Associated Press, 2/7/05; Office of Management and Budget, Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2006, 2/7/05

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  38. BUDGET DISASTER

    Bush’s 2006 Budget Cuts Programs for Ohio Families While Exploding the Deficit.

    Bush’s 2006 budget eliminates or cuts funding to Ohio for homeland security, education, health care, and business development. At the same time, Bush’s budget does nothing to reduce the record $412 billion deficit.

    In fact, the Enron-style accounting in Bush’s budget plan makes the long-term deficit worse
    because Bush fails to include $2 trillion in costs for his plan to privatize Social Security and leaves out billions for spending in Iraq.

    Toledo Blade, 2/10/05

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  39. Bush Turns His Back on Veterans


    Bush Plans To Impose New $250 User Fees and Double Prescription Drug Co-Payments For Veterans—increasing Costs by $2 Billion.

    Bush’s proposed 2006 budget would more than double the co-payment charged to 1,144,007 Ohio veterans for prescription drugs and would require some to pay a new user fee of $250 a year for the privilege of using government health care. Bush would also increase the co-payment for a month’s supply of a prescription drug to $15, from the current $7.

    Veterans’ groups said that at least 200,000 veterans would be driven out of the system entirely, and would cost veterans remaining in the system more than $2 billion over five years.


    New York Times, 2/7/05

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  40. Bush gets weak support for program cuts, Even loyal Republicans oppose many plans

    AP - Associated Press
    Feb. 22, 2005

    WASHINGTON - It isn’t hard to understand why few in Washington are taking President Bush’s proposal to kill or cut 154 programs very seriously. Just listen to members of his own party.

    “It ought to be expanded, not eliminated,” Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl says of aid to states with imprisoned criminal aliens, a $300 million program Bush wants to eliminate.

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  41. More than 40,000 military veterans are living in state and federal Department of Veterans Affairs nursing homes and are caught in the cross fire of this year's budget battles.

    The budget drastically would cut financial support for up to 80 percent of the veterans in the nation's 129 state-run nursing homes and allow the VA to reduce the number of beds in those facilities from the 13,391 now required by law.

    Executive Director of the Tennessee Veterans Home Board Rod Wolfe said cuts in construction costs could come in the future.

    "This is really not a time for anybody to be talking about making cuts to veterans homes," Wolfe said. "The only thing we can really do is to educate both our state and federal legislators and to keep them updated on what is happening."


    By CHANTAL ESCOTO
    Huffington Post

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  42. Support for Troops Questioned

    The Bush Administration's 2004 budget cut $172 million of impact aid funding. Impact aid funding assists school districts by making up for lost local tax revenue from tax-exempt property, such as military bases.

    These education cuts will especially affect school-age children of troops serving in Iraq who reside on military bases.


    Washington Post
    June 17, 2003

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  43. The New York Times and Huffington Post? -yeah. THEY don't have an axe to grind....

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  44. Ex-POW's Family Accuses Army of Double Standard on Benefit

    The families of 262,000 children of military personnel do not receive the child tax credit increase because the plan fails to cover taxpaying families with incomes between $10,500 and $26,625.

    According to The Washington Post, the House version of the Bush Administration plan "wouldn't help many of those serving in Iraq." One solider who will not benefit is Army Specialist Shoshana Johnson, the soldier and single mother who was wounded twice in the same convoy as Jessica Lynch.


    Washington Post, October 24, 2003,

    The New Senate Child Credit Legislation - What It Does and Does Not Do - Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, June 25, 2003;

    Whose Child Is Left Behind Children's Defense Fund, July 23, 2003

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  45. Eric the Plagiarist said...

    The New York Times and Huffington Post? -yeah. THEY don't have an axe to grind


    Yea, that's a brilliant respone that most of you lame brains turn to when you're rump is firmly wedged in your mouth.

    All the newspapers are against us.

    You post one hyperlink with no explanation, get handed over half a dozen news releases that discredit your argument, and come back with, "they have an axe to grind".

    Andrew Sullivan talked about blogger trolls like you last night on The Colbert Report.

    He said it was senseless to argue with them. You can post volumes of data, and they will lazily respond with 'no it's not'.

    You're brilliant.

    And you're a credit to your cause.

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  46. Blogs for Bush is a popular, mainstream right winged blog, where wonderful insightful right winged bantar like;

    Minorities need affirmative action! Everybody knows minorities are not as smart as caucasions and women are not as smart as men.
    Posted by: gman at January 17, 2006 10:14 PM

    Blogs for Bush defines their purpose and mission as follows.


    ------------------

    About Blogs For Bush


    Blogs For Bush is online community and group blog covering the presidency of George W. Bush and organizing bloggers who support the President. Founded by Matt Margolis, Blogs For Bush was launched in November of 2003 with the purpose covering the 2004 Election, organizing a community of pro-Bush bloggers, and encouraging grassroots activity on behalf of President Bush. Blogs For Bush become one of the most popular blogs during the 2004 election, and was called "a must read everyday" by nationally syndicated radio talk show host and bestselling author Hugh Hewitt.

    Blogs For Bush was also one of the first blogs to receive media credentials to cover the Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City, as well as media credentials for the 55th Presidential Inauguration on January 20, 2005.

    According to Intelliseek's BlogPulse, Blogs For Bush was one of the Top Blogs Cited in Political Postings, and ranked in the Top 30 of the Top Blogs Cited in 2004.

    blogsforbush.com
    ------------------


    But one interesting thing the casual browser to the site will notice.

    Directly below a line reading VISIT OUR SPONSORS is a banner ad called "PLACE A BET ON IRAQ", and clicking on it takes you to BetOnIraq.com.

    What is BetOnIraq.com?

    We will let their own words describe the nobel service they provide to the world.

    The following is taken from the banner ad text on BlogsforBush.com.

    With yet another successful election, time may be running out to buy the New Iraqi Dinar before it hits the open market. Now unbelievably affordable. The same amount that was once equal to over $82,000 can now be purchased for around $45. But, what happens when the oil really starts to flow?

    Browsing to their site the web surfer is introduced to this introduction.


    Astounding currency devaluation.


    After years of trade sanctions, and rampant counterfeiting, the Iraqi Dinar has plummeted from its pre-Gulf War value of over USD$3, to mere fractions of one US cent. What was once the equivalent of more than $82,500, can now be purchased for

    less than $50. Can Iraq's economy achieve, in a free market, what it once achieved under a brutal dictatorship? We don't know yet. But we know she is not alone in her effort to do so.

    Might a free Iraq thrive?

    Above and beyond the vast oil reserve, agriculture, and highly educated population, there is now liberty in Iraq. We believe that where liberty is sown, prosperity blooms.

    We understand that liberty is always challenged. It's challenged regularly in our own country. Why should a fledgling democracy, on the heels of a 30 year dictatorial rule, be immune?

    We simply trust that the seed of freedom, implanted more than two years ago with the fall of Saddam's regime, has germinated in the hearts of the majority of the Iraqi people. We see this as a wondrous thing, with tremendous possibilities.

    -------------------

    So what is BetOnIraq.com?

    Apparently a sick, twisted and blatant form of WAR PROFITEERING that is apparently endorsed by the right wingers, at least those who own or support BlogsforBush.com.

    They do endorse the ad. In fact, directly above this ad is a statement, saying VISIT OUR SPONSORS.

    BlogsForBush.com should be ashamed for taking money from this type of seedy profiteering, and for helping them to make money by hosting this groups ad on their main page.

    It is a clear example of the comfort the right wing has adopted with corruption.

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  47. Put their money where your mouth is.

    There's a slogan the right can be proud of .

    At least these guys are'nt hiding what they are.

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  48. And BTW, that slogan, "Put THEIR money where YOUR mouth is"?

    I did not make that up. That is the slogan on the BetOnIraq sales site.

    You can't make stuff like this up.

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  49. Anonymous6:14 PM

    Worf I just saw what you're talking about. Oh my God, is this for real, the Blogs for Bush Bet on Iraq ad?

    If so, this is truly horrible.

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  50. Like I said, you can't make stuff like this up.

    Funny how it got so quiet in here suddenly.

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  51. Well no worries.

    I am sure one of our trolls will come in and change the topic.

    Smoke and mirrors baby, smoke and mirrors.

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  52. I am now the proud owner of one million Iraqi dinars!!! ........interestingly, I am now in favor of the war and think we should move another 200000 troops into Iraq in the next month (especially if they are poor blacks and hispanics) AND I am now in favor of the flat tax as well.

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  53. Anonymous6:44 PM

    Worf

    Drewls comment is almost inconceivable to me, therefore, I would not want anyone, during the heat of debate, to make some kind of rash conclusion without outstanding supporting evidence and facts.

    One should be careful what they write. Speculation only!

    Im staying out of this one; it almost sounds apocalyptic.

    Think Im gonna go buy a Chia Pet and chill.

    Johnny moo moo

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  54. Those dinars look real good in my portfolio right next to the 1000 shares of Halliburton that I bought right after 9/11 at under $10/ share.

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  55. Halliburton closed at $70.02 today.......I wish I had 433,000 shares like Dick Cheney instead of a measly 1000.......oh well....CHA CHINGGGGGG!!!!!!!!

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  56. Ahh I see.

    Funny thing about it though.

    It's possible that the new Iraqi government will issue a new currency.

    There's no assurance of course, but if they do, then they will issue a date to turn all the current Dinars in and exchange them.

    If this happens, people who bought them here will have basically what amounts to confederate money.

    Worthless.

    Now this is just a thought, nothing more, but it is an interesting thought.

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  57. Johnny

    We have moved on from that topic.

    We are talking about BetOnIraq.Com and one of the top right winged blogs in America advertising for them on their main page.

    You're too slow, LoL.

    What do you think about this type of clear War Profiteering on a Right Winged Blog?

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  58. Anonymous7:10 PM

    I know......Im just responding to your 11:50 PM post.

    I like your new cartoon......it reminds me of my ex-wife and myself.

    And yes I do have to catch up on some of the reading.

    Johnny moo moo

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  59. Worfeus: I hope you got a good laugh out of my last 3 or 4 posts. I actually thought of confederate money while I was posting those as well.

    Actually I think that in 20 years there will be at least 3 countries where "iraq" now stands. Kurdistan in the North, Sunnistan in the middle, and West Iran in the south (or it may be called North Kuwait)

    Maybe I'll have to buy Kurdish dinars.

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  60. Johnny, just joshin ya.


    Kirk, yes, I am still laughing.

    You don't seem like the kind of guy who would sell his soul to the devil for $6,000 bucks.

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  61. In my last few (tongue in cheek) posts there are only a few facts

    1. Halliburton was under 10/share after 9/11
    2. Halliburton closed at $70.02 today.
    3. Dick Cheney was given 433,000 shares as part of his severance from Halliburton.

    CHA FRICKIN CHING eh Dick?

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  62. "Yea, that's a brilliant respone that most of you lame brains turn to when you're rump is firmly wedged in your mouth."

    Worf, YOUR WORDS:

    "But what is more appalling is that president Bush cut the VA's budget by 1 BILLION DOLLARS, shortly after getting re-elected to help pay for his war."

    You like to play semantics so much?

    Lets keep it to just the VA and a "1 BILLION DOLLAR" cut.

    So whose rump is lodged where?

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  63. Kirk,

    "That still would leave the possibility that Cheney could profit from his Halliburton stock options if the company's stock rises in value. However, Cheney and his wife Lynne have assigned any future profits from their stock options in Halliburton and several other companies to charity. And we're not just taking the Cheney's word for this -- we asked for a copy of the legal agreement they signed, which we post here publicly for the first time.

    The "Gift Trust Agreement" the Cheney's signed two days before he took office turns over power of attorney to a trust administrator to sell the options at some future time and to give the after-tax profits to three charities. The agreement specifies that 40% will go to the University of Wyoming (Cheney's home state), 40% will go to George Washington University's medical faculty to be used for tax-exempt charitable purposes, and 20% will go to Capital Partners for Education , a charity that provides financial aid for low-income students in Washington, DC to attend private and religious schools.

    The agreement states that it is "irrevocable and may not be terminated, waived or amended," so the Cheney's can't take back their options later."

    http://www.factcheck.org/article261.html

    Try again....

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  64. Eric: TO quote Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men"........ "Well... don't I feel like the fuckin asshole" I wish I could say it was the Merlot talking, but the truth is I have been using the 433,000 shares thing against Cheney for a few years AND I read factcheck.org at least once a week. I don't know how, but it got past the goalie.

    Kirk12 stands corrected.

    And its a damn fine bottle of Merlot!!!!

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  65. Eric, you really are a schmuck.

    But we love you anyway. Don't ever leave us.

    ----------------
    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Bush administration has told officials who oversee federal education, domestic security, veterans and other programs to prepare preliminary 2006 budgets that would cut spending after the presidential election, according to White House documents.

    VA CUTS

    • The Veterans Affairs Department would fall 3.4% from $29.7 billion in 2005 to $28.7 billion.


    USA TODAY
    5-27-2004
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    Hmmm....now let me see, 29.7 Billion minus 28.7 Billion....carry the two...

    ahhh screw it. You do the math.

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  66. I can hear his expert retort now...

    USA Today? They're against us too, LOL.

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  67. You're easy to love Eric.

    God loves you. Bush loves you. Ann Coulter loves you. Lydia Loves you. Johnny and Kirk, (well, maybe not Kirk) love you.

    And I love you.

    We all love you.

    BTW, hows that rump roast tasting?

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  68. Hey I got no problem with Eric.......

    Eric....this next glass is for you!!

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  69. Yea I can see that.

    We don't post profanity here Kirk.

    Lydia likes to keep the site fairly clean. If you must swear please don't spell it out.

    Her kids read this stuff.

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  70. Oh My God.......what a terrible nite to be me......my apologies to Lydia.....I hope I'm not on double secret probation or anything

    To quote Nicholson again ... "what if this is as good as it gets?"

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  71. Well, I would delete the post Kirk.

    Just click the little trash can and all is forgiven.

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  72. Johnny,

    You never answered my question.

    How do you feel about a right winged blog advertising for such an apparently sleazy corrupt War Profiteering scam?

    I put some effort into that, and I don't plan on getting off topic on this one yet.

    Even though somehow we already did.

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  73. "Put THEIR money where YOUR mouth is"?

    How does that slogan make you feel, Johnny?

    Why do you think a mainstream highly popular well known Right Wing Blog, would be so comfortable advertising for this type of firm?

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  74. Worf,

    Only in Washington is a reduction in PROJECTED spending called a "cut".
    And while it may be woefully inadequate, the funding for the VA IS rising at about 5 billion a year since
    Bush took office. (about 70 billion for 2006)

    And here's the tale of one veteran who's happy about the way it's going:

    http://www.barking-moonbat.com/index.php/weblog/category/Economics/P48/

    Might just be what George had in mind....

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  75. As far as the "Blogs for Bush" thing goes, I've never heard of them before tonight.

    While I agree the slogan leaves much to be desired, investors pumping money into Iraqs economy can do a lot to rebuild and stabilize their country.
    And what a great way to show our support. It would also create some jobs for the people and probably lessen the growth of insurgents.

    A nice way of saying "we believe in you" here's our money. (and it's not charity either, so no bruised egos)

    ...well except for democrats of course.

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  76. Maybe the slogan SHOULD have been:
    "Put YOUR money where THEIR mouth is"

    I did see a report recently that their stock exchange is growing pretty rapidly. I may have to invest.
    (seeing as how we're not taking any of their oil in this war for oil...)

    BTW, since we can't drill in ANWAR, how many MPG could we get out of (what was it, 23?) caribou?

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  77. Worf,

    I guess we can forgive the lie since you live in Washington.

    Ya know, the other day I told my boss I needed a $1 an hour raise and then he had the nerve to CUT my salary by only giving me 75 cents...sheesh now what am I gonna do?

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  78. Eric Said

    As far as the "Blogs for Bush" thing goes, I've never heard of them before tonight.


    Gee, Eric has not heard of them.

    So?

    Apparently there is a lot you've never heard of.

    About Blogs for Bush.

    Blogs For Bush become one of the most popular blogs during the 2004 election, and was called "a must read everyday" by nationally syndicated radio talk show host and bestselling author Hugh Hewitt.

    Blogs For Bush was also one of the first blogs to receive media credentials to cover the Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York City, as well as media credentials for the 55th Presidential Inauguration on January 20, 2005.

    According to Intelliseek's BlogPulse, Blogs For Bush was one of the Top Blogs Cited in Political Postings, and ranked in the Top 30 of the Top Blogs Cited in 2004.

    Like I said, your ignorance does little to dispell the facts.

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  79. Gee worf, if I cared at all what you think of me I'd probably be offended.

    Oh well, yawn.....g'night.

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  80. LoL, Ditto...

    Good nite buddy. See you tomorrow.

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  81. A thought to help us all sleep snuggly.
    _______________

    "When the stress of the war in Iraq becomes too severe, the Pentagon has a suggestion for military families.

    Learn how to laugh."

    By Gregg Zoroya
    USA Today, January 12, 2006

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  82. Kirk, you didnt do too bad with those 1000 shares of Haliburton, i've thought of pulling the trigger on Haliburton myself several times over the last 6 years,although I knew oil service companies are fantastic holdings in an oil bull market, the stench of Chenney was just too much for me, and I couldnt pull the trigger, thats not to say I dont own other oil and natural gas stocks though. same goes for the cigarette makers I love high dividend stocks, but I just couldnt be a part of a company that is all about killing people and causing cancer, theres too many other opportunities to make a buck without compromising my principles. you did nicely though, in fact I think Haliburton still has room to run.

    Worf at this point I dont think Eric is a troll, (I am absolutely positive that FF is a troll though) although I am curious why he chooses to spend his time on a site that clearly leans to the left. It seems pretty obvious that he is not trying to understand how the left thinks and is not into open minded debate, and he is not going to convince anyone here that his views are correct. so I wonder why he chooses to spend his time here with people he doesnt agree with or respect instead of spending it on a right wing blog.

    Eric, I have to ask you, from I sit it appears you are blindly loyal to the Bush administration and the war in IRAQ, so I have to ask if a democratic administration were in the whitehouse would you be as supportive and blindly loyal if they were doing the exact same things as the current administration?

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  83. I think now is a good time to explain the discrepencies between what Eric posted with regards to the VA, and what I posted.

    Eric was not being dishonest with his figures. In fact the Bush administration under pressure from Congress has increased the budget each year based upon VA expense projections.

    What Eric did not tell you, is that those projections were based on Pre-2003 estimates for VA operating costs.

    However to be fair, technically it is a budget shortfall.

    So Eric was being reasonable, at least from his perspective,to question calling it a cut.

    It's what is normally called a shortfall however from another perspective you could easily consider it a cut.

    Consider a Billion more dollars were originally allocated and then a Billion dollars were cut from this figure once Bush was re-elected.

    That certainly can be called a cut.

    Of course I could also have pointed out that the amount of money for this year did exceed the amount of money allocated in the previous years, but to do so without adding all the facts is a Red Herring.

    Work with me here.

    Lets say you owned a nightclub in a vaction resort town. During the winter months, the ferry's did'nt run, and all your only patrons were local residents.

    But in the summer, the ferry's brought tourists from all over the world, and in the summer months, you did more business than you did all year. In fact, a hundred times more customers would pass through your establishment during June July and August, than would all year.

    Now lets say you recently hired a new manager. Lets say you left this manager in charge, and told him to take care of everything, including ordering inventory, booze, food etc.

    Now when this manager made his orders, instead of looking at the quantities ordered in their respective months, since he was hired in December, he just looked at the December orders, and made his purchases from the vendors for the entire year based on these numbers.

    Now what do you think happened when Spring Break rolled around?

    Thats right. They had a lot of really pissed off college kids and tourists.

    The increases Bush made in the VA are based on peace time regular annual cost increases.

    In peace time we don't have many Post Traumatic Stress Disorder cases. And not too many Amputee's.

    But right now the VA is dealing with some 15,000 GI's needing prosthetic limbs, seeing eye dogs, physical therapy, wheel chairs and reconstructive surgery.

    We have another 30,000 needing counseling, therapy, medication and hostpitalization for battle related stress and mental illness, family and medical counseling and so on.
    ------------------------

    VA officials told Congress that the unexpected shortfall occurred because they had used an inaccurate, two-year-old financial model to calculate their spending requests. VA officials said the model underestimated the impact of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and made other forecasting errors

    VA Undersecretary Jonathan Perlin said budget forecasts are created two years in advance, meaning that the current year's predictions were made before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, June 24, 2005

    -------------------

    What Bush did is take the lowest number he could get away with to tend for our nations veterans, based upon Peace Time Projections, then sent them to war, then cut that figure after he got elected by a Billion dollars to help pay for his war.

    This is a prime example of Bushonomics. Tell them it's more because it is more, but it's not.

    Your adding more water but the bucket just got a hell of a lot bigger.

    Wanna call it a shortfall instead of a cut?

    Ok. I'm down with that.

    But don't dare call it fair.

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  84. I apologize .....my sarcasm didn't get thru very well....I didn't buy Halliburton, just as I can't bring myself to buying dinars.

    But I do own cigarette and pharaceutical stock......I make money when they buy the smokes and then when they buy their inhalers and chemotherapy!!!!! (kidding!!!)

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  85. Great example Worfeus, a perfect example of what self serving slime Bush is, using a lowball figure and waiting till AFTER he is elected to cut benefits. The arogance with the way the administration blatently puts the screws to the little guy, the poor and middle class and panders to the rich is sickening.

    He's willing to cut all kinds of programs and aid to our own country and citizens but not for HIS WAR. look who our new Federal Reserve Chairman is "Helicopter Ben Bernake" a man whos answer to fighting deflation is to fire up the printing presses and print more money then drop it from helicopters, he obviously meant it figuratively rather than literally. but its not much a stretch to envision them cranking up the presses to print more money and using Inflation (the silent and deceptive tax)to destroy the lower and middle classes and fund his war, because he doesnt have the integrity to take care of his own backyard first or be a man and take back the tax cuts to his rich buddies to pay for the mess he created.

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  86. I wonder how Wolfowitz and RUmsfeld, Cheney and Jeb Bush think this "New American Century" is going? Early returns would be not as good as they had planned don't you think?

    "What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."

    JFK 6/1963

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  87. Prophet9:54 AM

    Worfeus...don't you work? How do you find the time to keep up with all your blogging, and to pay your ISP bill?

    IMHO, the reason this whole country is gone in the shitter is that those of us who are productive, and could actually effect real change, are too busy working two jobs just to pay our taxes while the rest of you just blather on incessantly trying to save the whales.

    And Lydia, Christianity is a huge turn off, regardless of the brilliant idea one uses it to support. Whatever it is you're trying to say is totally lost behind the nonsensical Christian rhetoric you espouse.

    I don't know why I waste my time coming here [sigh]

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  88. Prophet said...
    Worfeus...don't you work? How do you find the time to keep up with all your blogging, and to pay your ISP bill?


    I am touched at your sudden concern for my well being.

    Put your little mind at rest.

    WORFEUS runs two firms,is a property owner, and is quite comfortable with regards to the matter of his own temporal life.

    No one in the family of WORFEUS is lazy or slothful.

    But thanks for asking. :D

    Please feel free to help yourself to a door prize as you exit the theater.

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  89. Prophet -- so you're saying love is a huge turn-off?

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  90. You know how you spot a Troll Mike?

    Notice people like Prophet and Eric have a lot to say, until the truth nails one of thier pathetic arguments to the wall.

    The truth about how the Bush administration is disgracefully abusing our nations veterans, is irrefutable.

    So did Prophet come in to comment on my last post that clearly explained the figures that Eric tried to push off proof as evidence that Bush cares about the troops?

    No.

    He instead chose to post small talk asking me and others innane questions, making small talk and being generally obnoxious.

    And of course Eric had no response. Now that I said that maybe he will, but if I had'nt, he would have ignored my last post and offered no response.

    Because there isn't one.

    You would think that fact that Bush is sending our boys and girls off to have their arms and legs blown off while at the same time under-funding the institution that cares for them when they return, would bother both Conservatives and Liberals.

    But instead they try to defend it, because to them, it is a party issue.

    But it's not. It's a human thing.

    So don't ever ask who the trolls are.

    Trolls change subjects when they are out of ammo.

    Trolls ignore factual and sound posts.

    And they alway try to bury good posts, with mundane erroneous small talk.

    Ask not for whom the bell trolls, it trolls for thee.

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  91. WORFEUS runs two firms,is a property owner, and is quite comfortable with regards to the matter of his own temporal life.

    Sounds like Worf is a lobbyist ;)

    "When the stress of the war in Iraq becomes too severe, the Pentagon has a suggestion for military families.

    Learn how to laugh."

    Maybe the pentagon can resurrect Bobby McFerrin's career...."Dontworry......behappy"
    Reminds me of "now i know why the caged bird sings"

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  92. Another good way to spot trolls:

    Even after they KNOW someone has left the board for the night they post longwinded BS posts about how the other guy won't respond.....

    I'll respond this evening after work,
    I'm only home for lunch right now and don't have the time.

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  93. BTW,

    The argument WASN'T about wether Bush cares for the troops or not, it was about 1 BILLION DOLLARS cut from VA funding. And while I admitted the current budget is "woefully inadequate", you were the one who had his "pathetic argument" nailed to the wall....

    Now I'm going back to work, so you can call me names again for not reponding further....

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  94. Anonymous11:20 AM

    Better watch it Kirk, or FF Eric and prophet will start labeling you a liberal

    Mike

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  95. Eric, first you made the debate about 1 billion dollars.

    The post you claim is long winded and BS, was FACT.

    1 BILLION was cut from the annual increase.

    That's a FACT.

    And that was merely ONE figure I put out as signs of the Bush administrations apathy towards the troops.

    I also posted half a dozen articles, (not all from the Times or Huffington Post as you tried to assert) that also demonstrated my point as to Bush underfunding the troops.


    The fact that you want to debate semantics, whether it was a budget cut or a shortfall, is moot.

    Call it what you want buddy.

    What you call it does not change the fact that I was ACCURATE in stating that 1 BILLION dollars was reduced from the annual budget increase.

    So claim whatever you want. People can read.

    YOU ARE STILL WRONG.

    I said a Billion.

    Bush reduced the annual budget increase by 1 Billion.

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  96. As for posting after you went to bed?

    Not my problem you can't hang.

    But it's not like my post was not waiting for you when you got up to respond to.

    But did you?

    NO.

    Not until I called you on it.

    And BTW, to be a troll, I would have to be in an opposition site.

    I'm not. You are.

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  97. Anonymous11:38 AM

    Good point Worf, same thing with me and FF who didnt respond to one thing I called him on because he couldnt then he started with the name calling and insults, while hippocritically claiming thats all the liberals do is not respond and answer with insults.

    In a post last night I also asked why these guys choose to come to a site that leans to the left if they dont like or respect anyone here, clearly dont share the same views and philosophies and obviously arent here for open minded debate and/or to learn how the other side thinks, although the jury is still out for some of these guys, the signs do point to troll.

    Mike

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  98. There it is.

    I invite you, and everyone else to read it, and refute it if they wish.

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  99. Anonymous11:39 AM

    Man you write fast Worf

    Mike

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  100. Man that Eric is such a troll.... He hasn't posted in like an hour.... I'll bet he's in a Carlyle Group meeting with the Saudi royal family, John Major, and Wolfowitz even as we speak. (Not really, but I will bet that he's either got Rush Limbaugh or Hannity on the radio where ever he works)

    I, for one, am interested in hearing Eric's responses to the issues Worf brought up.

    But in the mean time feel free to make troll jokes at your leisure until Eric gets home from work.

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  101. THere is one thing that I don't understand in all of this as well, and am interested in Eric's response.........

    How can conservatives accept doing all of this on borrowed money? I just don't buy the idea of trickle-down economics (where the poor actually get "trickled on")

    Raise takes on the wealthy to pay for this stuff. Hell, take an extra 50 from me every month like it was under Clinton. Treat our troops to better body armor.....The Pentagon budget is over 400 billion and they can't find 300 Million for body armor......I bet they can find 10 billion for Boeing here, or 10 Billion for Star Wars there. But people in my town feel like they're helping the troops when they send them wet wipes and shaving cream....and even Dorito's. Hell boys....have an Ice Cream social on me.

    Having read this post over you know what....I think we shouldn't be allowed to say 10 million or billion. We should have to write 10,000,000 or 10,000,000,000.

    The pentagon has a budget of over 400,000,000,000 and they cant find 300,000,000 for armor. Jeez that's a lot of zeros

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  102. Good points Mike and Kirk.

    But let me be clear about one thing.

    Even though I call certain bloggers trolls, I still welcome them here.

    In fact, if Eric were to leave us, I would...well...., I'd miss him.

    :|

    excuse me...I need a hanky...

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  103. Anonymous12:13 PM

    Because raising taxes to pay for these things and do them right goes against their ideologies and party rhetoric, they would prefer the deficit get bigger so there is no choice but to cut social programs, then for the things that are important to them like the war they will just print more money and use inflation (the silent deceptive tax) to destroy the poor and lower middle class without having to raise taxes on the wealthy. its been done countless times throughout history to pay for wars, and its sneaky, disgraceful and disgusting.

    Mike

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  104. Why not sell war bonds?.....have big drives where you have Brittney Spears appear and stuff like that....and sell 100 dollar bonds for 25 dollars and guarantee paying them off in 7 years.....

    We get those oil fields going and we all reap the spoils of the war

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  105. Anonymous12:44 PM

    Because thats not this administrations, style they are sneaky and they will turn to inflation so they can have their cake and eat it to. it takes a while for the increased money supply to really stoke the fires of inflation, look at the late 1970's which were a result of the Vietnam War and the Guns and butter philosophy. This guy doesnt want to raise taxes so his wealthy cronnies have to foot the bill for the war, so he will most likely use inflation to pay for it, we'll know for sure in the next 5-10 years. This time we can call it "guns and cake" since they want to have their cake and eat it too.

    Mike

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  106. But here Eric,

    Since you feel my posting this last night constitutes some form of skullduggery, allow me to repost it.

    I want to make sure it is right there for you when you get home.

    Would'nt want you to think Mike and Kirk are trying to bury it for me or anything, right?

    That way, you and everyone else here can see for themselves if it is a BS POST like you claim.

    Feel free to refute it.

    Tell us all how the troops have all they need.

    ------------------------

    I think now is a good time to explain the discrepencies between what Eric posted with regards to the VA, and what I posted.

    Eric was not being dishonest with his figures.

    In fact the Bush administration under pressure from Congress has increased the budget each year based upon VA expense projections.

    What Eric did not tell you, is that those projections were based on Pre-2003 estimates for VA operating costs.

    However to be fair, technically it is a budget shortfall.

    So Eric was being reasonable, at least from his perspective,to question calling it a cut.

    It's what is normally called a shortfall however from another perspective you could easily consider it a cut.

    Consider a Billion more dollars were originally allocated and then a Billion dollars were cut from this figure once Bush was re-elected.

    That certainly can be called a cut.

    Of course I could also have pointed out that the amount of money for this year did exceed the amount of money allocated in the previous years, but to do so without adding all the facts is a Red Herring.

    Work with me here.

    Lets say you owned a nightclub in a vaction resort town. During the winter months, the ferry's did'nt run, and all your only patrons were local residents.

    But in the summer, the ferry's brought tourists from all over the world, and in the summer months, you did more business than you did all year. In fact, a hundred times more customers would pass through your establishment during June July and August, than would all year.

    Now lets say you recently hired a new manager. Lets say you left this manager in charge, and told him to take care of everything, including ordering inventory, booze, food etc.

    Now when this manager made his orders, instead of looking at the quantities ordered in their respective months, since he was hired in December, he just looked at the December orders, and made his purchases from the vendors for the entire year based on these numbers.

    Now what do you think happened when Spring Break rolled around?

    Thats right. They had a lot of really pissed off college kids and tourists.

    The increases Bush made in the VA are based on peace time regular annual cost increases.

    In peace time we don't have many Post Traumatic Stress Disorder cases.

    And not too many Amputee's.

    But right now the VA is dealing with some 15,000 GI's needing prosthetic limbs, seeing eye dogs, physical therapy, wheel chairs and reconstructive surgery.

    We have another 30,000 needing counseling, therapy, medication and hostpitalization for battle related stress and mental illness, family and medical counseling and so on.
    ------------------------

    VA officials told Congress that the unexpected shortfall occurred because they had used an inaccurate, two-year-old financial model to calculate their spending requests. VA officials said the model underestimated the impact of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and made other forecasting errors

    VA Undersecretary Jonathan Perlin said budget forecasts are created two years in advance, meaning that the current year's predictions were made before the 2003 invasion of Iraq.


    Kaiser Daily Health Policy Report, June 24, 2005

    -------------------

    What Bush did is take the lowest number he could get away with to tend for our nations veterans, based upon Peace Time Projections, then sent them to war, then cut that figure after he got elected by a Billion dollars to help pay for his war.

    This is a prime example of Bushonomics. Tell them it's more because it is more, but it's not.

    Your adding more water but the bucket just got a hell of a lot bigger.

    Wanna call it a shortfall instead of a cut?

    Ok. I'm down with that.

    But don't dare call it fair

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  107. Anonymous3:15 PM

    Sorry Worf

    Amongst other things, I have been attempting to finish (with great diffuculty) that Victor Frankl book Lydia recommended to me; its content is rather deep and requires my last reserves of brain power.

    Excellent research......Im proud of you. I am astonished by your findings. And, I know, you know, that I am enormously unimpressed with BetonIraq.com; its essence seems calculating and suggests that money & power are its ultimate focus.

    What happened to the human factor that Eric pointed out so well in previous blogs?

    As I have said before: "I would bust down my neighbors door if I heard them beating their children senselessly, however, I would not bust down their door to raid their fridge".

    Johnny moo moo

    P.S. The hankys are above the microwave, on the little shelf to the left, under the bible books ,that lay beside your most recent bills.

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  108. LoL, pretty funny.

    You're right Johnny. I knew that one would not sit well with you.

    And your raid the fridge analogy is right on the money. I would do likewise.

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  109. Two Baghdad Blasts Kill More Than a Dozen AP - 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
    BAGHDAD, Iraq

    Two near-simultaneous bombings targeted a crowded downtown Baghdad coffee shop and a nearby restaurant Thursday, killing more than a dozen people.

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  110. Worf: I'm sure they'll stop killing each other after we leave. Seriously....there are 3 factions in Iraq that don't give a hoot about "IRAQ" Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites. 20 years from now it will be divided into 3 nations....kind of like the former Yugoslavia. We helped divide that one up with how many American casualties again?

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  111. Anonymous5:24 PM

    Eric

    I would be proud to share the same foxhole as you while peeling the turbans off of silly little terrorists at distances of 200 yards.

    We both know that sending saddam a luvogram and some roses would not prevent him from putting humans into his shredder; head first if their lucky!

    Additionally, we both know that sometimes evil should be stopped at its roots before it has time to grow. This does not necesarily mean war, but sometimes it does.

    However, Lydia is correct when she says things were reasonably under control in Iraq before the invasion. And as the country does belong to its people, it is up to them to make change if they feel oppresed.

    Therefore, a well planned rebellion, by the people, backed with U.S. support, was a realistic option that Worfeus and I believe should have been attempted first, possibly sparing American casulities and billions of dollars that could otherwise be allocated to more important social concerns.

    I suggest that you may at least consider this.

    Johnny moo moo

    P.S. I believe Worf, Mike, Drewl, James, Kirk, would also visit our foxhole.

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  112. Anonymous5:49 PM

    “Wow!!!, thats a fantastic analogy Worfeus. you started this blog right, that is a powerful and vivid analogy and right on the money.”

    Hey mike, can you hear the rest of us? Your nose is so far up worfeuseseses butt your in danger of falling in. how is the view there, btw? Enjoying the smell? I guess it aint that bad, the bs spews out of the other end.

    And for another good laugh,

    “WORFEUS runs two firms,is a property owner, and is quite comfortable with regards to the matter of his own temporal life.”

    Sure, and I am a multimillionare playboy/business owner. Oh, and I am batman too. Worf runs two businesses between posting, like 100 times an hour. That must involve a lot of coffee.

    popeye

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  113. Gee, some anonymous moron thinks ill of worfeus,


    what to do...

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  114. Anonymous5:56 PM

    Lydia

    It seems everyone has gone out for burgers or something?

    I want season one and your comedy thing but do not want to use paypal; never used it before. Is there some way I can send you a cheque or give you my credit card number?

    Johnny moo moo

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  115. Johnny

    You can give me your credit card number :D

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  116. Anonymous6:02 PM

    Dont explain yourself Worf......I respect you no matter who you are or how rich.

    Johnny moo moo

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  117. Johnny: didn't the US have a chance to start that rebellion after Gulf war I? And arent the shiites still pissed at us because we incited them to rise up and remove Saddam and then pulled a "Bay of Pigs" on them.....didn't this lead to Saddam slaughtering a few thousand as well?

    No wonder they don't trust us.....having said that, like I said earlier....3 nations....that's how it will end up...so we might as well try to make it happen as peacefully as possible.

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  118. LoL, WORFEUS never said he was rich. I wish I were rich, lol.

    I don't who this idiot is or what his problem is. I imagine thats between him and his therapist.

    I posted that in response to someone who claimed republicans were too busy working 2 jobs to blog, so I responded pointing out I also handle two jobs, and still find time to blog.

    I work a 14 hour day and I do all of my work from a computer.

    Sorry if he has to commute somewhere and work all day for the man.

    Guess he should have paid better attention in school.

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  119. Anonymous6:42 PM

    i never said you were rich. i said a lot of coffee was involved, and you might want to get a surgeon to remove mike from your nether regions.

    i pade atenshun in skule, but those darned commutes are a pain.

    then again, as batman.....

    popeye

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  120. Actually Professor Einstein, if I were you I would work on getting your head removed from out of your own hind quarters.

    It currently seems to be firmly lodged back there with very little air getting through.

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  121. Trolls are back, hey Popeye it would be nice if you at least had the courage to register your real name, its real easy to be brave and insult people while hiding behind a keyboard, but on second thought why bother to register when you have nothing worthwhile to add anyway.

    As for my post to Worfeus, sorry if it annoys you, but I have a great deal of respect for Worfeus, Lydia, Kirk etc.. we share similar beliefs values and views on life and I prefer to spend my limited leisure time engaging in activities I enjoy and with people who share similar values, that doesnt mean I am not open to other views and dont accept people that are different. That being said however I find in odd that there can be people whose lives are so pathetic that they have nothing better to do than seek out people they dont like or respect and post hateful remarks and insults.

    Prophet said "And Lydia, Christianity is a huge turn off, regardless of the brilliant idea one uses it to support. Whatever it is you're trying to say is totally lost behind the nonsensical Christian rhetoric you espouse.
    I don't know why I waste my time coming here [sigh]"

    heres another example first of all if you dont like or share the same views as Lydia, Worfeus, myself etc.. THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE, i've asked this question about 5 or six times in the last few days and realize I am not going to get an answer, because no one is going to be honest and say "i'm just a pathetic troll with nothing positive going on in my life and nothing better to do" As far as nonsensical Christian Rhetoric, I think the Right Wing has cornered the market on that. Is being kind and accepting of others that hard to embrace (I guess for a miserable pathetic Troll with nothing positive going on in their life it is)

    I just dont get it though i'm always willing to have an open minded debate with some one whether they share my beliefs, values and views on life or not as long as they are respectful and open minded as well. I am a big enough person to admit when I am wrong or when an opponent presents a sound argument, but I dont go out of my way to seek people who hold principals and values that are the opposite of my own. For example I would never go to a Right Wing Blog and I am curious as to why Conservatives would want to come here. It is obvious to me they dont come for open minded debate or out of a desire to see how the other side thinks, and they have to realize that they arent going to convert anyone here to their way of thinking, so the only conclusion I can draw is that they are here because they are trolls with bad intentions

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  122. Btw i'm just curious Popeye, are you and Freedon Fan and Prophet all the same person or are there actually 3 different people that are that pathetic that they have nothing better to do than be insulting trolls.

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  123. How come just season 1 Johnny?

    I almost bought it a week or two before Christmas, glad I didnt though, i'd rather buy it from Lydia.

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  124. You know Mike, one of my favorite quotes is from the series, The West Wing.

    "you know you're doing something right when they're shooting at you"

    C.J Craig

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  125. By MICHAEL LIEDTKE,
    AP Business Writer
    1 hour, 1 minute ago
    SAN FRANCISCO

    Google Inc. is rebuffing the Bush administration's demand for a peek at what millions of people have been looking up on the Internet's leading search engine, a request that underscores the potential for online databases to become tools for government surveillance.

    Mountain View-based Google has refused to comply with a White House subpoena first issued last summer, prompting U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales this week to ask a federal judge in San Jose for an order to hand over the requested records.

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  126. "a peek at what millions of people have been looking up on the Internet's leading search engine"

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  127. "U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales this week to ask a federal judge in San Jose for an order to hand over the requested records"

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  128. How can we spread freedom and democracy in other peoples countries, when we can't even maintain it here at home?

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  129. can you say BIG BROTHER!!!!!

    its kinda scary the stuff these clowns are doing, and like you said they just got started, we aint seen nothing yet

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  130. True Mike, but thank God for the courage of our fellow Americans at Google.

    They all deserve our admiration and respect for standing up to such overwhelming odds.

    Way to go Google.

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  131. WOrf: I read that earlier today as well......pretty scary.....since then Ive been going on to google and searching things like AlQaeda, terror, nuclear bomb, etc.......hopefully that will balance all the porn searches I've done......now the FBI porn police and Alberto will be after me

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  132. Speaking of Big Brother......

    WAR IS PEACE

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  133. Title of today's Presidential Daily Briefing......

    "Bin Laden determined to attack in US (AGAIN!!!)

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  134. Anonymous8:02 PM

    Kirk

    I truly appreciate what your sayiny, however, please define more clearly - "make it happen as peacefully as possible". There is some substance to what your indicating .

    Anything is better than a long drawn out war. Inciting is different from a well planned rebellion coming from the very people of Iraq without angering the mideast from our presence.

    I may be wrong ,however , please elaborate on: " thats how it will end up".

    Johnny moo moo

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  135. Well obviously Kirk they can't sift through millions of peoples data manually.

    So basically what they want to do is get all digitally switched phone conversations, web and email activity, etc, from everywhere and everyone in the US.

    Then it can be searched using keyword searches, anytime in the future, for whatever reason.

    The problem of course is obvious.

    As they reduce the laws, and remove controls and restrictions on this data we will see this data used more and more for non war on terror issues.

    In fact, many provisions of the patriot act are already used for non anti-terror law enforcement related activities.

    See what's happening?

    If not, don't worry.

    You're not supposed to be able to anyway.

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  136. Report Questions Legality of Briefings on Surveillance

    By SCOTT SHANE
    January 19, 2006
    WASHINGTON

    A legal analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service concludes that the Bush administration's limited briefings for Congress on the National Security Agency's domestic eavesdropping without warrants are "inconsistent with the law."

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  137. Anonymous8:19 PM

    Mike

    I bought season two before Lydia came out with her offers. She had nothing for sale regarding TCFC. Season one was sold out at my local video store.

    Johnny moo moo

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  138. Johnny:

    My point, I guess, is that lately most attacks in Iraq are on Iraqi's. The people of Iraq do not see themselves as "iraqi" per se, but as Kurds, Shiites or Sunnis. I do see a useful analogy in those people who lived in Yugoslavia (Serbs, Croats, Bosnians, MAcedonians, etc) and coexisted under Tito, and then started killing one another.

    So I don't see these people really wanting anything to do with "IRaq" as much as they would rather have self determination (especially the Kurds), and after we leave the civil war will really start. And when it does the ethnic loyalties will really show themselves... and the Sunnis will really be in the middle of a storm then...Throw in the Persian shiites (the Iranians) and we may have an obliteration of the sunni triangle. And like I said.....it will end up with 3 separate nations.

    So instead of forcing "iraq" on these people any longer (and especially since we aren't going to support the despotic way any longer, we should sit down and figure out where Kurdistan, Shiastan, and Sunnistan are and then support whichever of those come up with friendly governments- most likely the Kurds (at least).

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  139. Worf: I can think of a word to describe what is happening.....

    "doubleplusungood."

    war is peace.

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  140. Anonymous8:41 PM

    Kirk

    Civil war it is - let them battle it out for a chrysalis, however, if extermination plays a role, then I suggest intervention for humane reasons.

    Johnny moo moo

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  141. Anonymous8:49 PM

    Life is war, war is life.

    Johnny moo moo

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  142. Johnny, I seem to remember around the late 1990's there was a guy from the CIA I believe that said there were people in IRAQ who wanted to start a revolution and overthrow Saddam and wanted the USA's assistance and we just blew them off. its obvious to me that the AGENDA was not an internal revolution but a war where we had some control as to the outcome and rebuilding process, i've read books that have stated that Chenney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld etc.. have wanted to Create an Ally/install democracy in an oil rich Middle Eastern Country since the 1970's to break the back of OPEC, Saddam and 9/11 just gave them the excuse/justification to take action

    Think back on all the reasons the Bush administration listed for the War, they change more than the direction of the wind, first it was weapons of mass destruction, then it was that phantom link to Al Queda than Chenney tried to sell us, that Saddam was a tyrant and oppressing his own people (which leads me to ask how come we dont overthrow any oppresive tyrants in poor African Countries or North Korea that dont have oil) Oh and dont forget Bush saying "he tried to kill my daddy" Now the justification is "well we went there on FAULTY INTELLIGENCE, but as long as we are there lets install democracy.

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  143. Johnny, I think i'm going to pull the trigger on those TCFC DVD's this weekend, I was sick over the holidays and sat home for the most part relaxing and watching marathons from my favorite 70's and 80's shows and I really enjoyed myself

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  144. Mike

    I think the guy you are talking about is Bob Baer.

    He was active in the attempts to dispose Saddam in the early 90's, and had two other agents who worked on his team as well, all dedicated to one thing.

    The overthrow of Saddam.

    Baer is a very, very smart man.

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  145. Ex-C.I.A. Aides Say Iraq Leader Helped Agency in 90's Attacks
    Joel Brinkley, New York Times
    Wednesday, June 9, 2004

    WASHINGTON — Iyad Allawi, now the designated prime minister of Iraq, ran an exile organization intent on deposing Saddam Hussein that sent agents into Baghdad in the early 1990's to plant bombs and sabotage government facilities under the direction of the C.I.A., several former intelligence officials say.

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  146. That could be him Worf, the guy seemed very credible and intelligent in my oppinion

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  147. Anonymous9:06 PM

    Mike

    I can go no further than to say I appreciate your first paragragh and thanx.

    Johnny moo moo

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  148. Bob Baer is a brilliant man.
    He is also the author of the book, See No Evil, the book that the new movie, Syriana is based on.

    Baer is a patriot and I guess you could say he's somewhat of a hero to worfeus.

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  149. Anonymous9:11 PM

    Mike

    I am hopelessly lost in the eighties and I consider it an honor to meet you.

    Remember the good ol days when people used to pick up their phones?

    Johnny moo moo

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  150. Kirk, I am going to remember what you said about Iraq breaking up into 3 seperate countries, over the next several years. I think you very well may be right, only time will tell.

    Now you remember my theory that the Conservatives will turn to inflation to fund the war with out having to raise taxes on the wealthy. that also will take many years to see if it comes true. I think we are in for a repeat of the 1970's Wars, trouble in the Middle East, inflation, high oil prices etc..

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  151. By LARA JAKES JORDAN
    Associated Press Writer
    1 hour, 21 minutes ago

    WASHINGTON - The United States has no plans to raise the security threat level because of a new tape of Osama bin Laden saying al-Qaida is planning attacks, counterterrorism officials said Thursday.

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  152. Worf, what is "See No evil" about?
    is it about what happened in Iraq?

    I think thats a book I want to read

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  153. Johnny, i enjoy chatting with you also, youre definately one of the good guys.

    I enjoyed the 1980's also

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  154. Someone explain to me what constitutes a reason to raise the threat level.

    Because it seems to me, the fact that we heard from him after over a year may be reason enough to at least raise the threat level.

    I mean it could'nt hurt right?

    We usually raise it just to give the President a 1 or 2 point bump in the polls.

    Certainly we could do it here.

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  155. See No Evil is about pre 911 failures of the CIA, and how it impacted 911.

    The George Clooney Movie, Syriana is based on this book.

    I have not seen it yet, but I hear it's great.

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  156. One of the things about Baer, he just calls it like he sees it.

    He is even handed, and holds both the right and left feet to the fire.

    Listen to what Baer said about Bill Clinton to Jamie Glazov of
    FrontPageMagazine.com, a right winged conservative site.

    "I think Clinton was naive. He didn't have the slightest idea there was a dangerous world out there.

    A baby-boomer, he was more concerned about Nasdaq and the way he felt about things than he was about national security"


    Bob Baer
    February 11, 2004

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  157. Worf i have to cut the clowns a little slack here, sure they raise the threat level for a bump in ratings, and they also do it to help support their crooked war or to support their agenda for raping the constitution and stealing our civil liberties and personal freedoms, but I think they also do it to cover their butts in case they really think something is going down because after all Bush would lose his credibility as our hero, savior and big protector if something actually did happen and there was no kind of warning or raised threat level, plus I think they frequently raise the threat level around holidays or big events like the Superbowl.

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  158. Exactly, so why not raise it now?

    What is up?

    But I will say this.

    It was really nice of Bin Laden, considering how Bush is up against the ropes on the NSA Spying Scandal this week, to take the heat off him by giving America a glimpse of the boogey man after more than a year.

    That Bin Laden, he must really like Bush.

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  159. I wonder why instead of literally referencing the London Bombings, he merely referenced the "European Operations"?

    Why not just say the bombings in London?

    Why be so vague to something that supposedly already happened?

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  160. On the other hand, why offer a truce?

    Many people are saying he is scared, and wants to make a truce cause were getting closer.

    Well, unless we have tactical operations currently underway in Kashmir, then I doubt we're that close to Bin Laden.

    So why would he offer a truce?

    In the Muslim culture, there is a belief that if you offer your enemy the opportunity to make peace, and he refuses, your subsequent actions are justified.

    Is it possible Bin Laden was making peace with his God before he commits a major act of terror?

    Or was this his way of doing a little preliminary damage control, to control the negative impact on the people of the world for committing some impending horrific act on US soil?

    I don't know. After all, I'm no expert.

    But it seems to me, Bin Laden is a fairly intelligent, crafty and patient enemy.

    And if so, then perhaps he carefully prepared this prepared statement and what we think he means by it is exactly what he wants us to think it means.

    Know what I mean?

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  161. Hey Worf, did you see that Lydia added what you said about Bush's funding of the VA to her blog.

    I agree with you that the justification for the so called war on terror benefits from the fear created by Bin Laden speaking out, but what did you mean by his vagueness? do you think those videos were made ahead of time and Bin Laden is either in captivity or dead?

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  162. Anonymous10:15 PM

    Worf

    How do you feel about Kirks theory dividing Iraq? And what do you think about the long/short term possible effects of such a division?

    Johnny moo moo

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  163. Well, lets say I were a magician.

    I wanted to make someone, who was going to be dead, appear alive.

    Perhaps I would take a camcorder, and make video tapes of various consitency and quality, in simple draped sheet backgrounds.

    I could do it all in one spot, and make them all look different.

    Then, I reference a series of events, say some car races.

    I reference different car races, in different countries, and with different circumstances and outcomes.

    Then, as these car races occured, I could play the tape that corrosponds to a recent racing event or series of events.

    No specifics, just generalites of course in order to avoid incompatible facts.

    It would be quite simple actually, if you think about for more than, oh say about 5 minutes?

    Now why am I suddenly reminded of the Pelican Brief?

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  164. Yes Johnny, I think Kirk is right on the money.

    I have always felt that a divided Iraq would be the eventual outcome of any removal of Saddam that was not supported by the overall population.

    I think if we had overthrown him from within, that it was still possible a civil war may have ensued, but it is also possible it may not have, if enough people supported it.

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  165. Exactly, that thought has crossed my mind for a few years allready. he does always say general vague things, kind of like they created several hundred tapes and when ever the time is right or a certain event is relevant to what is played on the tape it is released.

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  166. Anonymous10:30 PM

    mike,

    i was just running around internet land finding something to laugh at and your post came up. i thought i was pretty funny, everyones a critic. your post did not annoy, i found it funny as heck. you reminded me of that little dog that kept saying the bigger dog was so cool in those old looney tunes cartoons. i could not help myself.

    otherwise, why register a handle? johnny hasnt, and i dont plan on staying as long as he has.

    and um, no, i am not prophet or freedom fan. speeking of prophet, that is a pretty lame arguement he made. but not funny. so i left it alone.

    originally i found lydia funny. "heaven is inside of us" but not "them." she says that alot. why buy her book if she is going to repeat that a million times. "God is love" and all that, but those guys over there really suck.

    i find that funny too.

    till next time. c-ya ladies.

    popeye

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  167. Anonymous10:39 PM

    mike,

    one last thing. you should reconsider posting on a conservative site. one reason. if you are so sure of your position you have nothing to fear. but you could have some fun finding out how they tick. maybe we are not all bad.

    just a thought.

    popeye

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  168. Ah, a comedian, I think your material needs serious work, maybe you need to watch a few more loony tunes or eat some spinach Popeye

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  169. Now that being said Johnny, with regards to the prepared tapes, I have no information on who would do this.

    Both sides could benefit from such a scenario depending on the objective.

    I could see Alqueada doing this to keep Bin Laden alive forever, merrily defying the US as he speaks to us from various undisclosed locations.

    It would definately make sense for Alqueada to do this.

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  170. Never said all conservatives were bad, I always respected John Mcaine, Colin Powell, and Paul O'neil, and i'm open minded enough not to lump all conservatives in a bunch and assume I know how they feel and where they stand on issues without actually listening to what they say, but to come to a site knowing their views are the opposite of your own and start insulting people is indicative of a troll. and I have no desire to spend my time that way

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  171. So Mike, what do you think of that idea?

    Does it make sense to you that it would be easy to make it appear that someone who is dead seem to be alive?

    Assuming of course you made the tapes before he was killed.

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  172. Anonymous10:59 PM

    Popeye seems very smitten with Mike. Perhaps Popeye is a right winged hot chick trying to entice him into evil actions of the flesh? :D

    Johnny moo moo

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  173. Ignore the drop in troll Mike.

    He makes Eric look like Arriana Huffington.

    At least guys like Eric post facts, details, arguments, etc.

    Drop in trolls, or DiTs, are like telemarkers. They are always rude, and call at unexpected and inconsistent times, but you can always just hang up on them.

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  174. I've thought that for a few years allready, the tapes do seem manufactured, I just wondered who made them, Al Queda or the Bush Administration?

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  175. I didnt know there were any Right Wing hot chicks johnny,

    and your right at this point I dont think Eric is a troll, I just think he is blindly loyal to the Right Wing. I got to admit I was looking forward to erics retort to you, and disapointed it never came. He had a tought position to defend though, although he did use facts, how do you argue with what you said, Bush calls him self a War Time president, then he should act like it, and recognize that our soldiers and vets deserve better. funding the war includes caring and providing for the soldiers not just giving them ammo. using outdated peacetime stats to chintz them is a disgrace

    As for the others definately trolls and ignoring them is the best thing, although I do like his only joking comment, next time one of those guys cry that all we do is insult them without backing up our facts i'm gonna say "I was only joking"

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  176. I liked the c-ya ladies.

    It reminded me of that Mall Security Guard in the remake of Dawn of the Dead. You know, the one that was in charge?

    I could see that guy saying that.

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  177. yeah, you call them on something they cant back up, they go right to the insults, then hide behind the lame "i'm only joking"

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  178. this blog has really picked up steam the last week, how long has the blog been going, as long as the archives list or longer?

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  179. No I mean I really liked it.

    That one crack. c-ya ladies.

    It was just the way he delivered it. Kinda like, well, I might have done. :|

    It made me laugh.

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  180. I really don't know Mike.

    I have only been in for a month or so. It has picked up though.

    We have had some pretty good debates, particularly in earlier threads.

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  181. so your saying maybe his comedy wasnt as bad as I thought

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  182. Wow, I figured you were one of the originals around here, that kind of surprised me

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  183. No, it was as bad as you thought.

    I just liked that one comment.

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  184. Anonymous11:42 PM

    Toodaloo Worfeus, Mike, Kirk, and Popeye. Its way past my bedtime and im ready to faint again.

    johnny moo moo

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  185. I post a lot in here.

    I came in from ThinkProgress.

    ThinkProgress.org is a great left wing blog. Very current, hot topics, and lots of great regulars.

    Bring you're waders though, because it's infested with trolls.

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  186. I think its my bedtime also, seeya

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  187. They are all gone out of the way,

    They are together become unprofitable

    And there is none that doeth good, no, not one

    Their throat is an open sepulchre

    With their tongues they have used deceit

    The poison of asps is under their lips

    Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness

    Their feet are swift to shed blood

    Destruction and misery are in their ways

    And the way of peace have they not known


    Romans 3:12

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  188. I'm disappointed.....I was hoping Eric would have a well thought out retort to Worfeus re: veterans benefits , like he promised when he was home at lunch yesterday.......I hope he's OK

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  189. Popeye, it seems, is Ann Coulter herself. NO Popeye, my book is not going to say God is love, over and over. You are in for a big surprise.

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  190. Oh - and please read my updated post on Ron Kovic.

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  191. Lydia: I read Mr Kovic's essay earlier this week on Huffingtonpost as well. I wish he would run for office this year. Today is, I believe the 38th "anniversary" of his wounding. There hasn't been much spiritual discussion here lately because we're all so caught up in the war, so I don't really know who prays and who doesn't......but if you do ...send up one for Ron today....and if you dont....make an exception today. No amount of thank yous can ever repay these guys (and women). Lincoln said it best at Gettysburg....

    It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

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  192. I'd pray for him Kirk, but he might turn into a pillar of salt or something.... :|

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  193. Anonymous11:23 AM

    why are you guys obsessed with calling me by someone elses name? that is pretty strange. no, not ann coulter either, or hoffa, or elvis.

    glad you like some of my material worf. actually i got it from red vs blue. sarge says that every once in a while.

    popeye

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  194. Anonymous11:31 AM

    as to why i came, i felt like playing in your sandbox for a bit. hey, freedom of speech is great! it aint just for ward churchill anymore.

    popeye

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  195. Funny how you landed here, and chose this out of the estimated 4 million blogs on the planet.

    But were glad to have you.

    Another wayward soul looking for love in all the wrong places.

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  196. OK if you don't want to pray Worf: The God I revere isn't in to prayer much either.......In fact, he prefers that I ....“Keep your annoying religious ceremonies, and let justice run down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

    Peaceout

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  197. “If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road.”

    George W. Bush, October 3, 2000

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  198. Well KIRK12,

    I guess you're right.

    Guess that response Eric promised us he would post yesterday is a pretty much AWOL.

    He must have had to do some heavy research?

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  199. Worf: I'm disappointed too. I like to see what both sides have to say on an issue. I'm surprised because he was so stern in his comments yesterday @ noon. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy to run from a battle. Like I said....he might be in a Carlyle Group meeting........

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  200. I was just reading the top of the blog on how the Bush Administration uses word association to deceive people and infer a conection between Iraq and Al Queda or Saddam and Bin Laden, i've noticed this for years and it disgusts me, but what disgusts me even more is that over 70% of our nation buys the garbage these guys are selling, what a bunch of sheep.

    It brings me back to what you said last night Worfeus about the apparently manufactured Bin Laden tapes that surface every so often, I don't think it would be that big of a stretch for the Bush Administration to be behind the tapes,after all they are a bunch of liars and deceivers, but i'm curious to hear what others think, so:

    Do you think the Bin Laden tapes are
    1) the real deal and Bin Laden is still alive
    2) manufactured by the Bush Administration
    3) Manufactured by Al Queda

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